Give me one reason why we should colonize Mars instead of Venus. I'll wait.
>>752897177
venus is for faggots
>>752897177
dubs of truth tho
>>752897245
Penis is for faggots
FTFY
>>752897177
You don't know much about Venus do you?
>>752897177
Because Venus is an extremely hostile environment. Acidic atmosphere, and a surface temperature of several hundred degrees celcius pretty much prevents any hope of colonization. On mars, you would beed breathing apparatus and air tight buildings, on venus, you would need bresthing apparatus, airtight, heavily insulated buildings with active cooling systems, resistant to extremes of acidity, and you could never go outside.
Good enough sciencefag?
because venus is like 200-300 °C hot and it has a dense af atmosphere
>>752897177
Because it's a razor
Rains of molten lead
>>752897517
>>752897531
Not on the surface; cloud cities. Mars' gravity is about 40% of Earth's which leads to tons of health complications. Venus is closer to 90%
>>752897531
then why dont we just colonize the antarctic and north pole of venus?
What >>752897531 said.
Not to mention we'd have a hard time even landing there to begin with, considering the pressure would crush every space ship we have easily.
>>752897656
seriously, for future life as well, read about the subject of your argument before blindly saying stupid things you know nothing about
>>752897616
>Mars' gravity is about 40% of Earth's which leads to tons of health complications.
Exactly why we should go for Mars. Show how strong we are.
>>752897531
There's actually a small movement of people that think we should build floating colonies on Venus. They would need to be dense enough to ride in the upper atmosphere where temperatures are more reasonable. Seems stupid in the long term
>Good enough sciencefag?
>>752897722
You're retarded.
>>752897616
Really you think gravity is the biggest concern. Again, there is a reason why much smarter men than you prefer the idea of going to Mars.
>>752897722
Worked for John Carter. Plus, hot red hoes who think a belt around the waist is a lot of clothing.
>>752897770
Venus is also like 200 million miles closer, making transportation of supplies and/or between planets much faster and cheaper.
Hottest planet in the solar system.
Atmospheric pressure on the surface is 92x that on earth.
Sulfuric acid clouds
Molten lead rain
NO WATER
Mars has water and it would be easier for us to teraform a cold planet by causing a greenhouse effect. Cooling Venus, on the other hand, is impossible with current technologies.
>>752897956
I genuinely think you need to learn much more about space and the planets before you talk.
>>752897177
because it's a spicyboi
>>752897517
It's more Earth's twin except for that whole run amok green house gas thing.
>>752897656
If we colonise the north and south poles of the sun we will have fresh drinking water and we can turn the solar panels upside down for infinite power and walk on them.
As they say in chess, "Touchdown".
>>752898092
Just no. Seriously. Go spend some time reading up on it.
>>752897531
>>752897601
>>752897612
>>752897656
>>752897678
>>752897983
>wanting to colonize the surface
>>752897177
Men are from Mars, women from Venus.
>>752897727
The movement is small for a reason.
>>752898132
Tushhhhhdewnnn
>>752897857
i was more into the alien girl imo
We, therefore, the representatives of this Martian colony, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the universe for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of this colony, solemnly publish and declare, that Mars is, and of right ought to be a free and independent planet; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the United Nations of Earth, and that all political connection between them and the planet Earth, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as a free and independent planet, have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent planets may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
nazi's already claimed venus
>>752897177
we're not colonizing any other planets and if you don't shut up i'm sending you to bolivia in a box.
>>752898230
Some are supposed to be engineers and scientists. I'm a scientist and think its a dumb idea. I'd imagine the atmosphere would be horrendously corrosive or acidic, even that high up.
>>752898287
You were more into the alien girl than the alien girl?
>>752898362
and hitler is living there pissing into a bucket and crying for his mommy
>>752898034
I genuinely think you know shit, but are speaking from the position of majority so you probably believe your own bullshit.
>>752897177
Mars already has water. Easier to colonize.
>>752897605
ladyrazors are a scam. They're exactly the same as manrazors but more expensive.
maybe we should spend more time and resources on problems that are here on earth instead of trying to get off of it? we fucked this planet up already, what gives us the right to go fuck up another one?
>>752897177
So we can bring Matt home
>>752898477
Look, nigger. I am not your teacher, I don't give a shit if you go through life being stupid. All the information you need is just a quick google search away. Gain some information spend a little time reading up on it. Or don't like I said couldn't give a shit.
>>752898570
It's people like you who are what's wrong with the world.
>>752898570
Manifest destiny. Fuck Venus and Mars, we should just treat them as colossal mines and move on
>>752898629
why? because i think we should fucking deal with our problems instead of running away from them?
it's people like you who need therapy
>>752897177
Venus is a little warm...
>>752898647
manifest destiny is a hallucination of a bunch of bags of meat with electricity running through them. as are all things we hold dear and sacred. it's all made up, why do people think it's their natural born "right"?
>>752898456
the real alien girl. not the human with tattoo. i fucking hate when a fiction make the female aliens a human with different skin color with some wierd shit instead of hair
>>752898570
Murica
>>752897983
Nigger, "terraforming" Mars would take us thousands of years. Not worth it.
>>752898148
Your point is moronic, why would we go to venus to make cloud cities and not just build cloud cities on Earth?
better to colonize uranus
>>752898656
How exactly is exploring space running away? Do you have any fucking idea how much it costs to put a single person in orbit? It's not like we can move everyone next door to Mars. Earth is where we live, and that won't change.
The reason we explore is to learn, and so some of us are out there in case some catastrophe happens at home. This sticking your head up your ass zero-sum mentality of yours is a cowardly retreat from the wonders of the universe.
>>752898148
I don't think you know what you're talking about
or you're a troll
>>752898570
"The dinosaurs went extinct because they didn't have a space program"
-Larry Niven
>>752897177
venus is closer to the sun and the first problem we are going to encounter on earth is the sun being too intense to allow liquid water on the surface
that said, mars is unfeasible as well due to lack of magnetic field
the best candidates as it stands are titan, europa, or enceladus since they will survive the added luminosity, possibly survive the sun's phase change, and the large magnetic fields of the gas giants would provide the needed radiation shielding
>>752898656
If 75%of your house was destroyed by fire, would you fix it, or build a new house?
>>752897177
Because you'll die almost instantly
>>752898699
"Manifest Destiny" is the product of the American Education System, which, however, seems to follow the principle of "Manifest Density"
Someone make the infographic detailing the outline of colonizing and terraforming Venus in the 200-300 year window
Pros
Gravity (90%) Earth's
Closest planet
31miles up 72 deg / normalized pressure
Challenges
Reducing space entry barrier (light propulsion or remote powered launches)
Constructing solar shades creating day/night cycles
Addressing the magnetosphere
Produce links and document research and get this info to the places it needs to go
>>752898570
check it out
>leftist snowflakes want all white people gone
>white people leave this fucked up planet
>are able to begin our new utopia on a fresh planet with no niggers for millions of miles in any direction
>breeding only beautiful and pure white babies
>go back and visit every now and then as Old Earth gets progressively worse while White Earth flourishes
>Old Earth snowflakes beg for the white man to come back (check Zimbabwe)
>Once Old Earth civilizations implodes we come back
>Old Earth becomes White Earth Prime
>now have 2 utopia planets
I don't see the issue with this.
>>752897177
low surface pressure
>>752898838
Venus' dense atmosphere makes cloud cities more feasible. Cloud cities on Earth doesn't even make sense. Why would we do that?
>>752898838
because that idea is not dramatic or sexy. the people in the thread don't want practical plans, they want something out of their scifi wet dreams. it makes them feel special.
>>752897177
There aren't any Biker Mice on Venus
>>752898904
>first problem we are going to encounter on earth is the sun being too intense to allow liquid water on the surface
I think you're confused
>>752897177
Sulphuric acid rain
Molten lead on surface
Vs
Thin atmosphere
Extreme cold
Tough choice.
Because these things live on Venus
>>752898803
The green Martians are still humans, just with a few more configuration changes and alien bits. If you want a real alien, pulp from the 1920s isn't the place to look for it.
>>752899085
can you fuck it?
"Two weeks"
>>752899053
fine the first non-human problem
>>752899085
Is that a tit with nasty veins and an eye-nipple?
![019_0000[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mSHGni8.jpg "019_0000[1].jpg")
>>752898647
>>752898699
>>752898950
>>752897177
Why drop back into a gravity well? Space cities FTW
>>752897177
it's yellow and that's gross
>>752897727
>floating colonies
Sounds like someone watched too much Star Wars, settle down there lando, we don’t have the technology for cloud city yet.
>>752898859
priorities? i'm not saying we shouldn't explore the wonders of space, i'm just saying that before we spend billions on putting people on another rock why don't we feed and clothe the people on this one. once we're done taking care pf that, fuck yes lets put people on mars.
it's like paying off your biggest debt before paying off your smallest one. it'll go much better, and much faster.
>>752898900
extremely simplified outlook that doesn't take into account the billions of dollars necessary to colonize another planet. this point is garbage and you should be ashamed.
>>752898900
fun quote, i don't think it invalidates my argument.
>>752898980
quite a fantasy, did you jerk off to that one? grow up.
>>752898699
Because we evolved out of other being that stayed relatively the same while we created order out of chaos. We clawed, struggled, and improved. We tamed the seas and skies and most of the land so that the feeble and weak (like you) can live rather than succumbing to natural selection. We are doing our best to increase knowledge and learn about our universe, while progressively cheating death a little more every generation. It's our right because we almost finally can, and as far as we know are the first beings to achieve such a feat. We earned it, you whiny bitch
>>752899344
we earned the right to make poor decisions for the people of this planet. gotcha.
>>752897983
>>752898834
you guys speak of this terraforming like its that simple
you cannot terraform mars because of one simple reason
NO MAGNETOSPHERE
earth has a really good magnetosphere that protects us and our atmosphere from the extreme amounts of radiation that the sun produces
without the magnetosphere the solar wind would blow most of out atmosphere away and fry most forms of life within hours.
thats what happened to mars thats why the planets atmosphere is so thin and mostly carbon dioxide.
( and for those of who you know absolutely nothing: gravity is not the same thing as magnetism in this case.)
so unless you can figure out how to jumpstart the planets metal core rotation and restore the magnetic field of the planet then theres no way to terraform the planet
>>752899336
because feeding and clothing people will never end. thats why
>>752899336
"extremely simplified outlook that doesn't take into account the billions of dollars necessary to colonize another planet. this point is garbage and you should be ashamed."
was meant for this >>752898922
Neither, the moon is the obvious first choice.
Caves to protect from meteorites
Close proximity to earth
Vast supply of helium 3
Water
>>752897177
>Humans can do that
Dude we are uncertain if people have Made it to the Moon to start with, INB4 hamburgers dids it, what makes tu think humans will be able to do it
>>752899336
It's not a zero-sum game. Space opens up new opportunities. And by your logic, shouldn't we take 90% off the wealth from everyone in the rich countries and give it to the people in the poor countries? Saying we can't do something until all other problems are fixed means we'll never do shit.
>>752899190
Monkeys don't have that problem either
>>752899456
"i reserve the right to not care about anybody else on the planet in order to further what i think is cool"
ok buddy. sounds like the american dream
>>752898834
it's worth starting. Plus, it's pretty much burning trash there. It's a win-win. We get a nicer place to live in a few thousand years plus we get the joy of a 1000 year bonfire
>>752899224
Enjoy your recycled poo water
>>752899450
I'm pretty sure, a magnetosphere can be recreated with the necessary scientific advancements.
We just have to make those advancements already and not spend a fuckton of money on a useless military.
>>752897616
Couldn't you just take empty suits to mars and fill them up when you arrive so that you have the same weight on mars as on earth?
>>752899540
You sound like your frontal lobe is still under construction. get back to me after youve learned how real life works.
>>752899507
we should, since 90% of the wealth of rich countries is skin off the back of poor countries.
we don't do shit because people want the excitement of the unknown more than they want to deal with what's in front of them. we don't do shit because of the attitude you're sharing right now.
>>752899079
This, Venus will melt you like a wax candle
>>752899540
You have the fucking internet, dude. You're rich, obscenely rich, by global standards. Immediately stop and give 99% of what you have to poor fucks in Somalia.
No? That's because you're a hypocrite without a valid point.
Venus is hotter than Mercury because of its CO2 atmosphere.
>>752899576
Pretty much all the water you drink is recycled poo water...
>>752899282
To be fair, the technology is the equivalent of a balloon, so we do.
It's just not practical in any way
>>752899626
literally all you said was "feeding and clothing people will never end". care to explain what that means? or why you think that sums up an entire argument? is that an example of "knowing how the world works", or are you just full of shit?
>>752898846
Kek
>>752898570
its there, nobody else is doing shit with any of those planets. and they pretty much just rocks. in all likelyhood everytime you flush a shit you wipe out an ecosystem more populated than mars or venus. besides going to space is easier than trying to figure out how to fix many of the nations of the middle east or africa.
>>752899702
we should colonize this for the time being
>>752899611
yeah well Im pretty sure too, but untill then.....
>the world has one massive problem, idiots breeding
>>752899638
You're arguing against all scientific progress, which has improved the universal standard of living on the planet to a staggering amount, for this utopia communistic dream.
Stop supporting genocidal ideologies, and do something productive with your life.
>>752899662
i give quite a lot of my money away. you have no idea who i am but you're convinced that i'm a hypocrite? you just made a point based off of something you made up, it's really easy to win an argument when you imagine what you're arguing against isn't it?
>>752899641
And that’s not even mentioning the pressure on Venus (equal to 90x earths)
You’d be dead in minutes.
>>752898838
Venus' atmosphere is significantly thicker. It's the only colonizable planet without Sci fi levels of terraforming. Mars is a really shit planet to make habitable. There's no atmosphere or magnetic field, we're like 2 billion years to late on that one.
>>752899757
you should read more books instead of taking what you read on /b/ as reality
>>752897177
The earth is flat..
>>752895736
>>752897177
>92 atmospheres constant air pressure
>Atmosphere is 96% carbon dioxide
Dude global warming is way out of control over there, our liberals could never handle it...
>>752899445
If you have 2 groups of people on two different planets you have vastly increased the chance of survival for humanity, regardless of 'poor decisions'
>>752899798
no i am not. "not colonizing mars" is not "all scientific progress" you mongoloid, jesus christ. slippery slope much?
all i'm saying is there's so much to be done here before colonizing another planet becomes priority one
>>752897605
But Mars is a candy bar
>>752899495
If it was meant for that post, why didn't you remove the first reply link?
Also makes little sense in reply to the post you secondarily claimed to be replying to
>>752899803
99%? That's was the scenario, not "quite a lot". Which you haven't, because you're posting on 4chan.
You're talking about leveling the playing field for everyone, which is just a way to make everyone miserable and prevent all progress.
>>752899678
>equivalent of a balloon
A balloon that is immune to acid/heat and incredible pressure? No we don’t have those. Plus what are you filling them with? Where do you get more? You’re one of those “talk before you think” kinda people aren’t you.
>>752899889
you also vastly decrease the amount of resources dedicated to either, we already don't have enough butter for one piece of toast and you're loading two into the toaster.
>>752899677
I'm not American or Indian, so that's 100% wrong
>>752899904
Yes, you are arguing against all scientific progress. Because you're arguing that we should spread out all the wealth evenly across the planet. And guess what? Do that, and science is dead. Because science a luxury of the rich.
>>752899986
fuck you im loading 4 into my toaster AND half enough butter for both
gitgud
>>752897177
Because women are bitchy enough as it is
>>752900054
>half
Have*
>>752899953
30% of my income goes to taxes and i give 40% to charity. i live off of 30% because i have a nice job but i don't want or need much, just a place to live and food to eat. i'm not interested in excess.
which is why i think going to mars right now is a stupid idea
>>752900006
I cannot wait to see the first Indian astronaut set foot on the moon, plant a flag then squat and shit on the floor.
>>752899079
Not OP here. Extreme colds are easier to deal with: a foot of fibreclass insulation plus bog standard heater will get a Mars dwelling up to sustainable temperatures. Don't forget that whilst Mars is indeed very cold, the atmosphere is a near vacuum, so the rate of heat loss through conduction/convection will be much less tham you woud get here on Earth.
>>752899450
You just need a giant magnet in front of mars. Problem solved.
>>752899967
Since you said incredible pressure, you clearly don't understand the science of bouyency, or the technology behind a balloon floating.
If you can't understand a balloon, anything else you have to say can be safely ignored
>>752899913
Hmm.... maybe we could go to Juipter (at great personal risk of becoming stupider
>>752897983
>>752897983
All you need is lots of ice :) so let's tow Neptune and drop it on Venus
>>752900006
Holy shit dick, even if you are scandinavian or living in some advanced green recycling utopia, you _are_ drinking recycled poo water you dense fuck.
>>752900044
well then we as a society don't deserve science if we can't care for our species. science can come back in a few generations and be just fine. i'm not saying destroy what we have now, but if that's what it takes then future humans can work on it.
you just want it to happen right now because you're selfish and want to be a part of it
>>752900084
That's actually fairly high, but you're still obscenely rich by global standards, so you're 100% a hypocrite.
>>752897531
>on mars you would need breathing apparatus
>can’t even into forming a new atmosphere on mars
>being this casul
Get gud at Mars you fucking fag
>>752900095
You lost the pic didn't you?
because mars was once our homeplanet
>>752899715
Its called supply and demand. The demand will never end for clothing or food or at least mot for a very very very long time and the supply will forever be as well. its not like you just fund it once and the problems gone forever. more people are born , clothing fades, hours go by and youre hungry. Now im sure your pee brain is thinking we could use some sort of forced labor to get this simple task of feeding and clothing everyone. Ill assure you the economy doesnt flourish this way. It will become stagnant and weak. IE north korea or soviet russia. Unfortunantly in reality some things do better then others. On a good note in capitalism everyone has a chance to work their way to the top and succeed beyond their wildest expectations. In a communist or similar situation people are working for free and nobody likes to be forced to work for free. about 1/4 of my labor already goes toward taxation. Anymore and youll make working not worth the efforts.
>>752897177
This thread is nothing but Gernigs
>>752900189
yet i'm arguing for the benefit of the poor? i'm a hypocrite because all i've said this whole thread is we should stop spending obscene amounts of money on this when we could be taking care of our people?
>>752899282
Not with that attitude we don’t ya stinky fuckin faggot
>>752899986
really, we just need to equip a larger robotic presence to determine if it's feasible to gather more than sustainable resources anywhere we go. If that hints that it's possible then it could become the biggest boon for humanity since fire
>>752900180
No, that's not how most of the world works
>>752899450
I bet some timed explosions in mars' core would do the trick, whose with me?
>>752900186
>cience can come back in a few generations and be just fine
Holy shit, a luddite who doesn't even understand the most basic principles.
No, you can't just drop science and come back in a few generations. It requires tens of thousands to many millions of people with highly specialized skills, entire industries, production capacity, and so on -- not to mention if we dropped science we'd have to kill everyone but about 500 million people, which is a rough estimate of the planet's ability to support people before modern agriculture.
You're arguing for genocide and a return to the neolithic.
>>752897605
YOU'VE GOT IT
>>752900375
Are you serious now?
>>752897722
doesnt matter how strong you are if ayylmao dongs are stronger
discord gg/UdvdzT
there's Ur reason
>>752900354
No.
If the moon was made of diamonds, it would cost more to get and retrieve them than the value of the diamonds retrieved.
>>752900272
do you understand how access works? or that the majority of the poor on this planet aren't poor by choice, but because they have terrible economies brought on by the greedy and selfish? level the economic playing field and you don't need to continuously take care of people. it's a "teach a man to fish" scenario. capitalism is a zero sum game, it leads down a path where all the money funnels into one pocket.
you should work because it makes you a part of society. if you can't do anything unless you get rewarded, you're no better than a child that won't clean their room without allowance. grow up and sacrifice a bit to make the world better.
>>752900467
GREYED.COM
Europa stop cutting yourself and SEEK HELP
>>752898217
vanus
>>752900186
Youre under the assumption that people only require xlothing and food 1 time and the problem is solved. You did it genius you fed and clothed everyone 1 time. hurray everything is beautiful.
Only this isnt how reality works myfreind. Youre asking for forced labor and that idea isnt very popular at all.
>>752897177
>Earth has global warming with CO2 at 400 ppm
>Mars has global cooling with CO2 at 950,000 ppm
>Venus has global warming with CO2 at 950,000 ppm
I'll stay here thx.
>>752900457
Yes.
Why are you having trouble understanding this?
>>752900392
i'm arguing that we not go to mars. that's it. we can just not do that. it really won't impede science in the highly highschool drama way you're speaking of right now.
>>752900315
Fuck you, luddite. We need science.
>>752897177
because Venus is a volcanic hellscape, where your face will literally just set alight the moment you enter the atmosphere.
>>752899618
Stop smoking bro
>>752900609
yes but science is not just "colonize mars"
>>752900432
yeah, I figured it out when I remembered "I'm your Venus, I'm your fire, your desire"
>>752897770
>>752897722
Did you guys not see all the health complications from the guys up in the space station? Shit's fucking stupid bro.
>>752900642
So we can assume you work at your job for zero pay, or you have no job?
>>752900559
I'm confused. You either don't understand the lifecycle or your "white" or "gray" water that comes to your tap or you have very different meaning on what you call water recycling. Somebody shat on that clear water lake your town is pumping from or you get complete circulation if there is no fresh water source nearby. Either way, your sewage gets cleaned up, dumped to a lake and ocean, gets pumped back, clean'd up again and into your tap it goes.
Calling it what it is doesn't change anything.
VRU is always a shit company. EIC and MMO always btfo of VRU.
>>752900732
Yes.
>>752900678
Why wouldnt it work?
>>752900507
Most of the poor countries dont participate in full capitalism they participate in some sort of socialism or communism or even worse something even shittier.
none of you have a very scientific mind if you think that the only option or avenue for science is to go to another rock in the universe. we can, and are still doing, plenty here on earth. more science than we can keep up with. why neglect that just to visit the neighbors?
>>752899662
Fuck muslim niggers that run fast, those cunts are a like a hybrid problem
>>752900732
not what i said, great strawman though
>so you're saying
always ends in something the other person is not saying at all
>>752899450
>trying to have proper discussion on 4chan
u new here kid?
>>752900784
That's easy for you to say...
I watched a bunch of jew movies about space travel so I know it's the right thing to do.
>>752900240
This is probably what the Soviet landers on Venus look like now
>>752897177
faggots talking about colonizing far away planets when they havent even begun exploiting resources on your own moon
get real
>>752900582
Okay, why? Because you just started to pretend it's about scientific value. Before, you were making emotional appeals that the money spent on space travel is wasted because it could feed and clothe the unfortunate on the planet, which applies equally to every scientific luxury. Now that you're trying to reign it back from genocide and total collapse of civilization, why are you specifically rejecting space travel but not other scientific endeavors?
>>752900812
Cool story, bro.
>>752900769
Because logic bro
>>752900501
yeah but you don't build new houses, utilities, farms or manufacturing plants out of diamonds you dumb fuck. The moon could be made of caviar and it probably wouldn't be worth retrieving that either because it's not helpful for building a colony millions of miles away.
>god people are stupid
>>752897177
>Give me one reason why we should colonize Mars instead of Venus
You don't get any Venereal diseases on Mars
>>752900774
a lot of that is not by choice, but because they tried another form of government and it failed. america will go to communism too when we've drained every resource we have.
>>752900822
what does this mean
>>752900784
Just wait until the sea level rises a few inches.
>>752900935
>Okay, why? Because you just started to pretend it's about scientific value. Before, you were making emotional appeals that the money spent on space travel is wasted because it could feed and clothe the unfortunate on the planet, which applies equally to every scientific luxury. Now that you're trying to reign it back from genocide and total collapse of civilization, why are you specifically rejecting space travel but not other scientific endeavors?
>>752900127
Thanks captain obvious, the whole statement was rhetorical.
>>752900754
Treated sewerage water goes into the ocean.
Through a natural series of evaporation, condensation, and precipitation, 100% fresh water get a dropped above land and sinks into artesians and aquifers.
It's natural distillation.
You are comparing pure water, to water squeezed out of a turd and forced through a filter.
>>752900784
Another stupid zero sum argument.
>>752900911
we will expand and get more resources. queue up the colonizing mars slides
>>752900760
Well then who the fuck are you to talk about co tributing to humanity then you fucking bum?
>>752900877
because the scientific endeavors here benefit many people, while the scientific endeavors on mars benefit the few rich enough to get there. don't pretend that finding out the chemical composite of rocks on mars helps us in any way. it will only ever benefit those "elite" enough to afford it.
how have we still not found a way to make enough clean drinking water for every person but we have plans to go live in bubbles on a planet we can't even naturally inhabit?
>>752900947
Right, then Mars would be so much more hospitable than Earth.
>>752900900
DUBTRIPS
>>752900947
that is our own fault, we should be dealing with that right now instead of jumping ship like cowards.
>>752900947
Haha, What?
>I think we're fucking up this planet
>let's go to one that's completely fucked already
>>752900169
Says the guy who doesn’t even know what atmospheric pressure is..
>>752900784
Because china and India give zero fucks and kill the world faster than sscience can fix it
>>752901035
naturally recycled water is less pure and takes a longer time than artificially recycled water.
We can do exactly the same with the water as what happens in nature, only more efficient
>>752900507
You realize communism has failed, every time it's been implemented? Your "solution" is a proven non-starter.
>>752901171
>our own fault
okay kiddo
>>752900809
>if you can't do anything unless you get rewarded, you're no better than a child that won't clean their room without allowance.
You kinda did say that though
>>752901135
>>752901171
>>752901173
>having other options is bad
>>752899771
>>752897177
You go first
>>752901192
>kill the world
It's not dying bro.
>>752900900
If it was made out of anything,it would cost more to get from there, than to get it here.
What materials are you referring to exactly that we need so badly and can't supply?
>something something insult
>>752901335
>claims science
>doesn't do science
>>752901371
I've watched enough liberal propaganda to know that it is.
>>752900501
Also, if we had a source for so many diamonds, they would become worthless and it wouldn't make any sense to retrieve them.
>>752901177
Again you announce your inability to understand buoyancy
>>752901431
Uhhh, where? And don't just show me one place where there's a wind farm fucking up the area, show me where the planet is dying.
>>752897177
The bigger question is, Red or Green?
>>752901129
No, space travel is the guarantee of the future of the human race. The Earth is fragile; one gamma ray burst, errant comet, really nasty plague, or the like and we're gone. And that's not even counting human-induced methods. So the benefit is literally the entire value of all our species has ever and will ever produce. Now, that's catastrophic planning, so the probability is low. But even though most people's houses won't flood, there's a reason people buy flood insurance. Space travel is insurance for the planet.
The other benefits are literally incalculable. Because while we can talk about zero-g industries or asteroid mining or the like, we don't have any real way to measure the benefits. But the potential is huge. So it's a high risk/high reward assessment. And like any portfolio, you need a balance between steady and sure producers, and those with a high potential for growth. We absolutely need basic research, and we need exploration into different environments.
>>752901551
Chicago, Atlanta and Baltimore.
>>752901201
Rainwater is pure (excluding atmospheric particulates)
You would rather drink water squeezed from a turd in a jar over rainwater?
Good for you Pajeet
>>752900501
At this point in time yes. Long live capitalist ingenuity. long live supply and demand.
>>752901615
i would say gambling on that is like not feeding your children to spend money at the horse race. the potential reward could set you up for life but there's a low probability that you'll get anything out of it, and everybody in your home starves.
>>752901692
In 1983, Motorola released its first commercial mobile phone, known as the Motorola DynaTAC 8000X. The handset offered 30 minutes of talk-time, six hours standby, and could store 30 phone numbers. It also cost £2639 ($3995).
>>752901371
Young ones believe this because they don't know any better.
You have no basis for comparison
>>752901728
but teh lulz
>>752901669
>squeezed from a turd in a jar over rainwater
Jeez, just how bad are your water filters?
The water that comes out of a good water filter is pretty much pure H2O, you probably even have to add minerals before you can drink it.
>>752901790
Good argument? I guess?
>>752901692
If the entire world was communist and this was the phone some genius invented they would still be using this piece of shit 44 years later.
>>752901494
Not really.
We already have a huge surplus of diamonds.
They get released into the market at specific rates to maintain to jewellery prices.
We have vaults over here full of diamonds
>>752901728
You heard of a diversified portfolio, haven't you? Put the bulk of your resources into steady, low risk investments; and a minority into high risk/high reward investments. That keeps you safe, makes your portfolio productive, but also gives you the chance to really grow when things are exceptional. That's the best method when it comes to n financial planning, and should also be true for investments in science.
>>752901403
If you move people to a different planet, they will primarily use the resources on the planet they live on, not the one they came from
>>752899611
No, you can't. Earth's magnetosphere, the strongest (most dense) in the solar system, is the result of a liquid magnet many times the mass of the moon rotating in the core. Why don't other planets have this? Because their core is solid, or mostly solid. Why are they solid? Because they lack tectonic action which continuously disturbs the surface and prevents it from setting. Why do they lack tectonic action? Because they don't have huge amounts
>>752897177
Pro skub you fucking losers.
>>752901946
this is an excellent argument if you don't consider everyone on this planet as important as you are
>>752901924
Because of our incredibly retarded susceptibility to pop science, Mars has become the dominant choice and a lot of efforts are already underway focused on Mars. We are not a a point where space exploration is being taken seriously by the general public. Does your coworker give a shit about what NASA or SpaceX (Mind you, Elon Musk is still a bad person) is doing? So jumping on the nearesst train is usually the route space exploration is going.
>>752901950
We would two huge world economies. Also who knows what kind of advancments are to come.
>>752897678
russians have landed a probe on the surface that survived for a while. couple hours I think.
>>752897245
The surface is obscured by thick sulfuric acid clouds.
>>752899793
>the world has one massive problem, idiots breeding
That problem is one that will resolve itself, one way or the other.
We could try and sterilise most of the world's population with some form of bioweapon (Obviously the most humane way)
Or we do nothing and let billions of people starve while we try not to do so and not to die in the inevitable wars to come in that scenario.
Either way, not all of humanity will die, except the USA is starving, in that case, prepare for Fallout: Real Life.
surfacefags gtfo
>>752901692
But we are talking about this point in time.
You haven't really made a point by that comment other than elesctonics got smaller and cheaper over time.
We can't minituraize a rocket and get to space with a mining setup on a scale big enough to mine any reasonable amount of anything.
Your post literally added nothing to your point
>>752900852
>cccp
So thats where they sent all the child porn, to venus.
>>752902019
False. It's based on the idea that we NEED to advance as quickly as possible. If we just chug along making routine, easy, guaranteed improvements, things will only incremental get better. We need to set aside a portion of our resources on the high risk stuff, because that's where we get the spectacular improvements like the enlightenment, the green revolution, and the other improvements that improved the quality if life for everyone on the planet over the past several centuries. Your argument is the conservative one, the safe one, and it's also the one that guarantees that things won't really improve all that much. We need more than that.
>>752902274
Stephan hawkin gave a speech not to long ago saying just this. That as technology progresses the price for going to space will drop.
>>752902274
>>752902406
The reason it drops is because to manufacture commercial products drops and so will the similar products and materials used for space flights. Also companies like space X will pave the way for cheap flights. They have already shown much progress and advancments in a brief amount of time. With out all the red tape, oversight, and a bit of capitalist motivation, shit gets done.
>>752901901
So you would choose to drink turd water over two water?
Stop auting out anon.
I said enjoy your recycled poo water.
Didn't say it wasn't safe or clean.
Get your crayons out and draw me a diagram for fucks sake
>>752902406
To some degree, but without a fundamental revolution it's still a matter of mass vs. the gravity well, and that's hideously expensive. The real solution to space travel is probably self-replicating machines. You only have to send one up, and then it makes more. Same with humans -- send genetic material, not adults.
>>752902337
what will colonizing mars do for us, except insure that at least a few thousand people will survive in the event of some cataclysmic devastation?
it's not like all of humanity is going to go live there. you won't be among them. why are you so concerned about us going there right now?
I remember conspiracy tards insisting the crescent shaped object was an actual venusian alien and not a piece of the camera lens cap which it looked identical to.
>>752901950
That's not the point made that I replied to though.
>>752901978
>Because they don't have huge amounts
Give this anon a novel prize
He's a fucking genius
we should be looking for a better, cheaper, more efficient way to get into space (i.e. find different fuel), then we should colonize mars. it will make every trip there much more resource friendly
The "problem" of people breeding too quickly is really only on Africa anymore. Asia (China and India) will grow slightly, but for the most part their share of the global population will be quite stable. Africa though will triple or quadruple their share of the global population (12%-40%) in only the next hundred years, and who knows what growth does after that. Africa is also demonstrably the continent of the least intelligent and least capable. We could solve this problem by merely stopping aid to Africa. About half, fucking half, of Africa's GDP is from aid. The other half represents the first transaction of that aid, and from there it's all waste. We're furiously breeding the worst among us, creating a global welfare system that can only either further hamper the developed world, or end in mass starvation and war when it is withdrawn.
>>752897177
LOL c'mon OP, surely you can troll a little better. I'd take the bait if you said titan, or cronus, but Venus? Lmao dude c'mon.
>>752902284
it is legitimately funny to say this in carl's voice
>>752902785
I didn't say right now. We need better propulsion systems, for one. But we need to remain committed to space travel, because we need to keep working on those problems, and because if we just stop (astronauts turned into hitchhikers? fuck that) we'll lose the institutional and professional experience and it will take to decades to rebuild from scratch.
And so what if I'm not one? Where the fuck did you get the idea that the motivation is selfish?
I HATE that in my lifetime nothing this significant will ever happen.
I'm only 28 and I doubt they will even send men to Mars to snoop around before I die.
Iv always studied and dreamed of the days when some really amazing happens.
But it seems like I am growing up in the middle shitty part of humanity, JUUUUUUUUUST before something awesome happens I will be old an dying and not able to enjoy it.
But that is only what I see, I'm more than positive that some secret government bullshit is going on and they have already visited most parts of the solar system and haven't informed us.
I just feel like my life will be wasted never seeing true space travel actually happens.
And that makes me really depressed some days.
>>752897177
mars ain't the same size homie
mars is a lot smaller
also that's venus
>>752902655
The materials and fuels needed for space launches can only be obtained in a specific way, which determines the cost.
This won't change until new soacefaring engine technology comes about, but that defeats the purpose if this discussion.
>>752902913
>Asia
>China
>India
>will grow SLIGHTLY
I quit reading there
>>752903114
smoke some DMT
>>752902671
The thing is that there's no difference.
Fish shit and die in the water, land animals shit and occasionally die in the water as well, if you capture the water coming out of a piece of shit lying in the sun, you'll get exactly the same thing when you simply warm up the shit manually.
It doesn't matter where it comes from, it matters what it is.
THE STARS ARE NOT FOR MAN
>>752903242
You didn't answer the question.
Would you choose fresh squeezed turd juice over rainwater to drink?
Fuck man, how did a silly joke comment trigger your autism this badly?
>>752903114
Everybody who loves space and doesn't remember the Moon landing probably feels the same way. Manned space travel has been on life support since at least 1970.
>>752903349
Even in Childhood's End, they're still for our children.
>>752903451
I don't prefer any of them. It doesn't matter where it comes from, if both are water of the same quality, I wouldn't care and drink both, if possible.
>>752903201
India's share of the global population is going to increase by about 5% in the near term (20 years about). China's share is actually going to decrease by -2% or so. Africa's share of the global population is going to increase by 75% in that time.
Yes, Africa is the problem, and the solution is to leave them with their own devices for a few generations, let them achieve a sustainable population with what devices they have, and then come back. Your grandkids cannot afford to support 4X the number of Africans that we do today, the aid scheme is going to break down one way or another.
>>752903697
Still won't answer the question.
>autism
>>752903993
That is the answer.
I prefer neither and both.
>>752903697
Imma shit in yu moth
>>752904069
That wasn't the question and you know it wasn't.
You're avoiding the question because you realise how how far you've argued something that was never serious to begin with.
You understand the food would be the poo after the water was squeezed out with some nutrients and vitamins added...
You wouldn't prefer or not prefer to eat that either I'm guessing?
>>752898287
>i was more into the alien girl imo
>imo
Well, in my opinion, you were not.
>>752897177
venus area is a ~600 degrees permanent rain of acid
>>752904426
Imo is a retarded name even for an alien
>>752901533
I understand it fully, you don’t understand how high the pressure actually is (which has sfa to do with buoyancy) also you just ignored the incredible heat and acid rain part of what I said (and what these imaginary indestructible balloons would be filled with)
But go ahead and pretend like you know what you’re talking about.
