So how old were you when you finally matured and grew out of your atheist-phase?
>24
Never athesis
I was like 17 when I stopped being a militant atheist.
Religs gonna relig.
>>704704920
bait, TARS, bait!
I was like 19, but I had a head start from most people. I started University at 16 and was inundated with all these different ideologies to the point where it was apparent most of them did not have a firm grasp of the situation. Especially not atheism, which isn't even an argument, but a simple contradiction.
I know this is bait, but still
I think i was 17 when i stopped being militant, and 19-20 when i realised the positive aspects of the different religions and started seeing them as beautiful instead of a cancer
I'm an atheist. I grew out of my Christian phase at 19 years old in case you're wondering. :)
>>704704920
17/18
>>704705205
>>704705117
>>704705051
le enlinghtened atheists detected
I bet you don't have any "irrational" beliefs
>>704705306
Don't worry, you'll grow up eventually unless you really want to stay a manchild. Everyone goes through the Atheist phase these days. It's up there with the usual teen angst, counter-culture phase that every teenager insists isn't a phase, hahahaha.
just going to say it, guy on left is not an atheist if he beliefs in Satan
>>704705350
>all switches on Zelda must be 100% covered by pillars.
>>704705432
BAHAHAHAHA
>believes in imaginary beings
>calls the atheist a man-child
>contradicting yourself this much
>being this fucking retarded
Funny how atheism is on the rise all over the west eh? Stay intellectually challenged.
>>704705350
I am not an atheist. But i am a sane christianfag and even I know how retarded OP sounds.
>>704705740
Typical teen response. Don't worry, you'll be laughing at yourself for ever entertaining atheism soon enough.
>>704704920
FUCK THAT NIGGER IS GOING TO REGRET THAT PICTURE.
>>704705740
what did you get for your 15th birthday, anon?
>>704705981
Uh huh the religious have been saying that same thing for centuries and guess what happened?
>NOTHING
The lack of belief in a deity isn't really something you grow out of unless you're retarded. The only reason to believe in anything is evidence. Bullshit emotional arguments or Pascal's Wager are just that--bullshit.
I don't give a shit about the followers, I don't care if people believe, and I see the good aspects of it. I still won't believe any of it without actually evidence.
>>704704920
Since I realized life is pointless.
>>704706137
don't worry, most teens grow up. It's just a phase. Telling you that only triggers your teen mind to reject more, but I'm confident that if you aren't a fool, you'll eventually see the error of your ways like most sane people.
It's part of growing up
>>704706115
That was 9 years ago, I don't remember.
>>704706166
nice dubs bro, checked.
>>704706246
Right, just tell that to all the modern scholars and intellectuals who accomplish more in a week than you have your entire life.
>Nice try though, sheep
>>704705350
do you believe in rational things like dead jewish men coming back to life?
>>704706356
Typical angsty teen response, to switch to blind ad-hominems in the face of the truth. Like I said though. Don't worry. Relax and accept growing up.
>>704706246
not who you replied to, but i grew out of my militant atheism very early. However, that doesn't mean that the abrahamic faiths have somehow magically become more rational and sane to me. I so believe in spirituality and in high states with higher beings, but the Jews and their desert demon are not particularly appealing to me.
>>704706478
marilyn manson was huge in 1996.
i've stopped with 19 and drifted into super agnosticism 3000. Now iam 21 and i dont care at all, about anything. And thats fucking horrible because i came as cringy as i tried to be when i was 16. This is fucking horrible you know. I need to get my ass out of this fucking state and start caring about something.
>>704706478
Extremist Islam and degenerate secular western culture have both denigrated religion to children and the misinformed very recently, but your graph also shows that the vast majority of Americans still believe religion is important.
>>704706617
...praise KEK?
Wouldn't call thinking for myself a phase, really.
>>704706552
kek
>>704706531
Whatever you have to tell yourself little man. You are obviously too brainwashed to think for yourself. You have also been using ad hominems this entire time by implying that I am an "angsty teen" or that I haven't matured. I guarantee I am older and more successful than you, so are every single renowned atheist on this planet.
How about you crawl out of your echo chamber and visit the real world on occasion.
>>704704920
Started at 15 ended at 17. It was a really spergy time.
>>704704920
Somewhere between 24 and 26.
>>704706537
Yeah, having studied religion extensively at university, I find myself more informed on the subject than the vast majority of people I talk to, and by far the single largest point of contention that turns people from religion to atheism is an ignorance of religion in general and isolated exposure to some deluded extremist puritan nonsense that makes them think it's what all religion is, which impedes their spiritual progress with the knee-jerk rejection of all religion, believing it's all the same.
>>704705121
What do you mean by "contradiction"? That seems a bit vague.
>18
Still, I am not coming back to religion. Just got into deism.
>>704706531
>>704706808
You said you were 19. Most people here are older than you, but sure, backpedal if it makes you feel better, son. Like I said, you just need to relax. What you're experiencing is just a gut reaction of rejection because you're going through a phase. You probably never even seriously looked at religion and just auto-rejected it like most people your age who commonly grow through the counter-culture phase.
The truth will set you free from this reactionary mindset you are in, but like I said, relax. It will come in time after you have a chance for quite reflection after your hormones finally settle.
>>704704920
Once I do something fucked up enough I'll turn to religion and pry for forgiveness.
>>704707035
He thinks atheists are just putting their fingers in their ears and saying, "nuh uh!" He doesn't know how the burden of proof works.
>>704704920
OP is a faggot
>>704705350
I have some me but know they arent true
![c73d8a051a486cce45e5025ea5787c68[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0oINZV5.jpg "c73d8a051a486cce45e5025ea5787c68[1].jpg")
Since when growing up means you start believing in imaginary bullshit.
>>704706359
If I told you too "go break a leg" would you literally break someone's leg?
>>704707000
You are so full of shit, and so is your religion.
Prove me wrong
>Pro tip: You can't
>>704707193
>you'll grow out of it relax it's a phase no adults are atheists I'm certainly not a fucking retard
>>704707389
Outside of the original context of theater, and with the incentive of 72 virgins... I'd consider it.
>>704704920
Probly around 23
But only became christfag around 32
>>704707416
Pretty typical response there, man. You're really just proving that right with that kind of response.
>>704706720
Considering most if not all of our ancestors were religious and religion has been baked into every day American life I'm not surprised.
What surprises me is the amount of Americans waking up and the rate at which it's finally happening pleases me.
Getting rid of useless and fundamentally flawed practices is a sign of moving forward.
>>704704920
Never was an atheist
>>704707363
It doesn't. That's the mental hurdle that you kids have trouble with. It's not a binary idea. It's a complex multidimensional framework.
>>704704920
>>704704920
25 until I accepted solipsism as the only answer.
>>704707000
Trips of truth
And I say that having never met an atheist yet who knew anything about religion more than most people know by age 12. Most of them think that the problem of theodicy only recently occurred to anyone and that only atheists have an answer.
>>704706137
YOU MUST BASK IN ATOM'S GLOW, OR DIE BY HIS MIGHTY HAND!!
>>704707000
>people are turned away from religion because of ignorance
Opposite day!
>>704707193
I never said I was 19 you literally retard. Look at you just throwing out assumption after assumption on an anonymous message board. You really are the quintessential Christian aren't you?
Look, there is zero way you can justify a belief in god, none. The only justification I hear other than "the bible said so" is, "how else can you explain the complexity of life and the universe?"
Your beliefs are built on ignorance by people who didn't even know that we orbited a star, and not the other way around. By people who didn't understand electricity, or natural disasters. You are a modern day human with a bronze age mindset, congratulations.
The only difference between you and I is that you are an atheist in regards to 999 out of a thousand religions, I just went one further.
>>704707416
Hundreds? Keep going. Beyond that there are deviations of beliefs within members of the same institution. When I play D&D it's "rules as written" and that's that. Consider Leviticus 19:19. This verse talks about the mixing of crops and clothing to be sinful. Literally means mixing crops and clothing are sinful. Subjective meaning implies racism.
>>704707647
Nice non argument there little guy.
>>704707000
>Studied religion
Meaning you've read the bible?
If you've studied extensively you'd realize how contradictory the bible and religion itself is.
That is if you're actually intelligent.
However, you've probably been brainwashed at an early age to take religion as law.
None of this is your fault, just your upbringing and you not being wise or intelligent enough to think outside the box.
>go to heaven
>live in heaven forever
>can't die
>can't die
>lose your mind
>can't die
>beg to die
>heaven becomes a maddening hell
>you're tormented in never ending existence by boredom
where to I sign up?
>>704704920
Never was atheist
Agnostic or i really dont care
Look at it this way
I havent and wont ever do anything that would condemn me to "hell"
If good people go to heaven, but the case against me is i dont go to church, then that means billions of good peoplee throughout history have gone to hell, while murderous christians have done the oppositr
This presents a severly flawed system, which directly contradicts gods notion of being perfect
Which in turn disproves the rest of it
Therefore, it wouldnt matter, as long as im not a shitty person
>>704704920
religion is for retards.
if you're not able to open your mind toward new ideas such as the irrelevance of a god, you're a fuckin' idiot.
>>704708000
Religion is the absence of science, and there's no explanation for the creation of the universe so religion seems like a logical solution, until an explanation for the creation of the universe comes but even then you can just make the argument that it was Gods will, like God used the bigbang to create the universe.
I live my life in such a way full of joy and experiences that I won't need heaven.
Get fucked religitards.
>>704708252
What a thoughtful and reasonable statement
>>704708261
This is why you people are laughed at by intelligent people.
>>704706808
Different anon here
I have.
That's why I don't believe that something as amazing as this planet, with something actually amazing thing called "life" on it, works as well as it does in spite of everything saying it shouldn't, only exists solely based on random chance; that all the incredible things we see when we gaze at the stars and the entire universe, all the physical properties of life, time itself, all came into existence when a speck suddenly exploded for no reason at all (time didn't exist before the big bang, so obviously it didn't have a time when it was not exploded?)
Do I believe there's an old man hiding in the clouds, watching over people and cursing them if he catches them jerking off? No.
Do I believe that there is something, some kind of force or some kind of entity we may not even be able to comprehend (like an ant fully comprehending the working of the human body) exists? Well, the scientists keep saying that the universe is infinite, and given the principles of infinity, if we can say alien life must exists somewhere in the universe, could that not also mean some "entity" that we could all agree as having "god-like characteristics" exist somewhere out there as well?
Again, all we know is that, until evidence proves otherwise, we are the only planet in the universe that has intelligent life on it. So that makes this planet pretty special. It doesn't really matter how we got here, what matters is what we do now that we are 'here'. We've all come a long way to just trash it now.
>>704707539
being such a cuck
baited to death
kys
>>704708173
This. Got curious. Spent about a year trying to find one that stuck out to me. Went with the one that says "do not harm children, do not burden others with your troubles unless asked, don't kill or hurt animals unless you need food or are in danger" if anyone here studied religion at all they'd know what this is.
>>704708388
>laughed at
Okay buddy
>>704708252
Atheism is retarded.
People too close minded to acknowledge a religion are stupid.
>>704708252
>2016
>Still thinking religious choice depends on intelligence and not perspective.
>But I'm so much better and smarter cuz I'm an athiest
>Atheism is strap-on intellectualism
>>704708261
Science is a process to discover fact, requiring observability (empiricism), falsifiability and replicability. Religion doesnt counter or dent science at all. Religion is the search for truth, not fact, and regards that which cannot be seen, proven wrong, or summoned at will. Theyre for separate things, dude.
>>704708596
The desire to find "a more perfect explanation"
>>704705205
>religion is a waste of time
posts on 4chan.
>>704708000
This post will be on /justneckbeard things before tomorrow...
>>704708400
I agree with most of what you said but the idea that an invisible being in the ether made us and the universe is ridiculous. Why all the empty space? If he made us in his image then if there is life out there will they look the same? If so, why make two planets? If there is no other intelligent life out there then why create a bunch of lifeless rocks in space?
Science doesn't have all the answers, but it is trying, and that's the point. Religion believes it got all it's answers thousands of years ago from goat herders whom god spoke to. Where has he been all these years?
It takes a special kind of stupid/naïveté and/or insecurity to truly believe in a god.
>>704708173
>Meaning you've read the bible?
Not to be rude, but your ignorance is palpable, and the very kind of iresponse that I wrote about in my post. I don't expect you to understand, because you are not nearly informed enough to enter the conversation like most people who automatically see puritan protestant rejectionist rubbish as real religion and automatically believe anyone talking about religion is talking about this isolated straw-man you like to denigrate.
No son, by "studied religion" I mean just that, I read the religious texts of every major religion, and more than you have probably heard of. Texts from ancient peoples the world over who all talked of God or creation or whatever their enduring questions of the nature of reality were.
The kind of silly simple rejectionism I see with most atheists is born if ignorance, not of enlightenment.
>>704708451
O
>>704704920
I'm not atheist. I'm Anonymous. Expect us
-Ryuk
>>704708693
Lololololol.
>13-17
Was cringy, full-blown atheist who constantly talked about atheism to friends/family.
>18+
Grew out of it and stopped
>21 now
Don't give a shit about either anymore. Got better things to worry/think about
>>704708774
I really couldn't care less what a bunch of brainwashed sheeple and anons think of my post.
>>704708000
Hey kiddo, you misused quintessential and literally. And you're clearly projecting your pubescent rage and self appointed superiority.
Source: I remember being 18
>>704708000
First sentence: "you litterally retard."
Stopped reading there hahaha.
>>704708836
People can be inherently good or evil with or without religion so I ask why do you think its necessary at all?
>>704708836
Yet the vast majority of religious people are woefully ignorant of every religion except the one they were born in. They are also ignorant of science, in the 21st century. You people are holding back humanity. You all need to be purged.
>>704708950
Of course you did. You were looking for any excuse to remain in your echo chamber so the minute you saw a simple typo you ran for the hills.
>being this ignorant
>>704708943
Literally was a typo and,
Quintessential: representing the most perfect or typical example of a quality or class.
Nice try, sheep. Way to avoid the argument entirely, like the religious love to do when they can't justify their beliefs.
>>704705121
Please explain your statment un detail becuase i think you lack a proper understanding of what athesim is.
>>704709024
Control must be maintained
>>704708836
Provide evidence for a God or deity and I'll stop being an atheist. I don't give a shit about anything else--give me evidence and I'll believe. Reading all the scripture is unnecessary.
>>704708522
>Calls others close minded
>Only acknowledges the religion he was born into
>All other people who don't believe in my religion are going to burn in hell
>I was born into this religion so it must be the right one
This is what religitards actually fucking believe.
>>704709361
Not Deists, faggot. Learn stuff.
>>704709361
Yep, and they feel righteous doing so. Religion is a sickness that needs a cure, soon.
>>704709295
Nah, you should have used essential. Also, I'm not religious but don't think all people are sheep for being religious lol.
Also clearly you meant to say "literal" but that is still misusing it. A lot of millenials use it wrong, like you
>>704705117
bait is the one thing normies are capable of perceiving that transcends time and space
>>704705350
>I bet you don't have any "irrational" beliefs
Wait, are you unironcally trying to say that having an irrational belief, like a woman, is a good thing?
>>704705740
You got schooled so bad but you too much of a faggot to see it
Rip
>>704704920
Never.
>>704709361
I just swapped around atheism and religion with what the other anon said, to prove a point. I think you assume far too much.
>>704709567
Quintessential: representing the most perfect or typical example of a quality or class.
Essential: 1. absolutely necessary; extremely important. 2. a thing that is absolutely necessary.
I hope you are trolling. There is no way you are that stupid.
>>704704920
GOD IS SANTA FOR ADULTS!
DOG == GOD!
How dumb do you have to be to not see that!
>>704709529
>People too close minded to acknowledge a religion are stupid
>Deism thus rejects the supernatural aspects of religion, such as belief in revelation in the Bible, and stresses the importance of ethical conduct.
So you're in a religion that in fact rejects religion which is contradictory of in itself and you have the balls to tell me to learn stuff?
Please just fucking kill yourself.
>>704704920
I love threads like this.
The right-wing is under attack for its social values, and people who dare to challenge it are demonized.
And frankly the only reason the right-wing still controls society is because of religion.
>>704707193
I've studied the Bible (NT, OT, NKJ, KJ, Ref & GNB), Torah, Koran, Hindu texts and Buddhists.
Also from a historical point, I have learned of several progenitors to the Abrahamic belief system, along with alot of pagan beliefs.
Here is what you can say about them, they all have merit in them for most of the moral guidance, but there is almost no religion when followed to the letter changing nothing from their original texts that you could live in the Western World without breaking some form of law.
As for any merit to Christianity, well no if there was it wouldn't be a faith more of a fact.
>>704709612
Uh huh. Meanwhile not a single religious person here has offered any valid reason to believe in god other than "HERPDERP how else could all this have got here?"
Ignorance is no excuse to believe in imaginary beings, I stopped believing in imaginary things when I was a child. You should too.
>>704709741
/thread
>>704709708
I was just acting retarded xD
>>704709053
No, if you think religion is responsible for the degeneration of human intelligence, you are barking up the wrong tree. The culprit of that was the advent of cities which allowed a lot of people who would have never been coherent enough to breed to become the common stock of mankind.
>>704706137
You exactly the kind of person who thinks errrrrrrrrryyyyyything is infinite etc.
You actually believe that somewhere.... In the wast infiniti...
There is a planet populated by charlie chaplins , that speak in rap lyrics or something...'
You know this makes no sence .. But if the infinity shit is true , then the existance of that planet is fact..... Gosh you dumb tho
>>704709855
dubs of truth
>Theistic belief in one god requires the Atheistic response to all others
>>704709865
bullshit
>>704705938
>sane
>christfag
Pick one..
>>704709865
replying to obvious b8
anon is edgy and thinks believers "should be purged"
Never was an atheist. Im closer to agnostic
>>704704920
15.
>>704708596
>religion is the search for truth
you're retarded
>>704707885
japan is evidence of atom's might.
>>704710100
It's an anthropological fact with mountains of evidence from prehistory to recorded history. Ask any competent anthropologist.
>>704709891
The Universe is infinite, actually
>>704709891
Yet more nonsense from a religious person who has no way to justify their belief in imaginary beings as an adult.
Seriously, you actually believe some all powerful creator popped the universe into existence, didn't show for thousands of years then all of a sudden bestowed knowledge on bronze age goat herders only to once again disappear for thousands of years.
Tell me, if god exists, then why doesn't he just show himself and be done with it. Why allow literally thousands of false religions to exist. You do realize there are religions that are several millennia older than Christianity right? Why aren't they right? What makes you so certain that your god is the real one? Oh wait, I know, you're a troglodyte.
>>704707885
Second this.
>>704708522
>People too close minded to acknowledge a religion are stupid.
religion imply dogmatism, therefore control over mind. The will to be a slave toward someone or an ideology is retarded.
Still; atheism doesn't expels the idea of a superior (dimentionnally speaking) mind. It simply refuses to sees it as a god. Or refuses to see the relevance of religion, to see something to be irrelevant is an acknowledgement.
eat a dick dipspshit ppprrpt
>>704710246
That's debatable.
>>704710246
proof ? or it's just like your god, you don't have proof but fuck it, you belive in it
>>704710244
That's crap. People were simply uneducated, and religion actively sought to stifle individuality. Might made right. Has nothing to do with overall intelligence.
>>704708596
That is the most painfully retarded thing I've read in a thread that started with
"So how old were you when you finally matured and grew out of your atheist-phase?"
>>704706720
Don't forget this is a graph of AMERICANS that say religion is important. Any developed country would produce a very different result. (i.e religion is not important)
>>704709865
So inbred hicks should be the common stock? hahahaha
>>704710315
Yeah but what's the point? Even if it the Universe ends at a wall, what's beyond the wall?
And evidence suggests this isn't the only Universe.
So yeah, for all i&p infinite.
>Rational human
I won't believe it unless you prove it to me
>Irrational human
When I close my eyes the world vanishes, prove me wrong.
>>704704920
Religion is a control tool, nothing more, nothing less.
>>704708596
>Religion is the search for truth, not fact, and regards that which cannot be seen, proven wrong, or summoned at will.
>truth
>not fact
>can't be observed
>what's a definitions?
>>704704920
>baiting this hard
>>704710257
Sooooooo... You believe that there is literally a planet of CCˇs who communicate through rap lyrics ?(Too lazy to make this more absurd , you just gotta imagine the paradox)
I can conjure more crazy shit up in the Hurr infinity theory than you can about christianity
Just answer the question
>>704704920
If someone could explain how the universe came to be, id be more than happy to drop religion entirely
>>704710706
what is science?
>>704710706
>I just need something to latch onto or else my world falls apart
>>704710446
if universes acts like atoms, they can't touch each other. so there is a gap
too lazy for relevant picture
>>704710777
Checked
>>704708596
>Religion is the search for truth, not fact
Same thing you fucking moron
>>704710706
Yes, because Religion has proved so much more than science, with it's lack of... any proof at all.
In fact, it doesn't even have any hypothesis'
>>704710797
not that anon
but doesn't everybody though?
whether it's music, drugs, sex....
>>704710661
I don't believe in things that cannot be proven you ignorant chimp. Do I think that there is a statistical probability, given the size of the observable universe, that there could POSSIBLY be other life out there, yes. Do I claim to know that there is for certain? No.
Once again, you prove just how evasive Christians become when questioned about their beliefs. You really should move out of that echo chamber little man.
>>704709361
>>704710300
Ya'll took blatant b8 and should feel stupid for it.
>>704710825
how does that prove a finite state?
you could have a mass of atoms that don't touch each other extending for infinity
>>704707312
Atheists do not have answers for Aquinas' five proofs of God
>>704710912
At least drugs music and sex all stimulate you, instead of restrict your stimulation.
>>704710368
Your opinion is frankly misinformed, and your complete rejection of the facts is only to your detriment. If you don't believe me look into it yourself and don't just blindly feed your internalized preconceptions without critical assessment. That's blatant hypocrisy.
The advent of cities coincided with severe decrease in the overall health of the human individuals. We were much healthier when we were getting killed by wild animals and living by our merits instead of having society at large to parasite off.
>>704710912
Nope. I don't know how or why the universe exists, and I'd much rather not know and wait for an answer backed up by evidence than grab onto a shitty concept of a divine creator, divorced from reason and evidence.
>>704710945
Couldnt just answer the question. You just had to ramble on.
This fucking generation.
You so enlightened.
Ps im an agnostic atheist myself.
"Chimp" .. .You really fucked me there boiiiii :D
Fucking joke
>>704710999
Proof=/= evidence. Try harder.
>>704710999
"We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance."
obviously they didn't have a Theory of Evolution during Aquinas' time
>>704711103
U like 3 syllable wrds huh?
>>704711052
I bet you a science major huh ?
I bet you REALLLLLLLLLLY get how it all adds up dontcha ?
>>704704920
i will never waste liftime and power without having a rational reason to do so, so no.
21now and atheist since 17.
>>704711052
Lost.
Better than any pic on the current YLYL board.
>>704711041
there's also discipline, though
which I'm not really into but is a tenet of humanity
>>704711137
>You exactly the kind of person who thinks errrrrrrrrryyyyyything is infinite etc.
You actually believe that somewhere.... In the wast infiniti...
There is a planet populated by charlie chaplins , that speak in rap lyrics or something...'
You know this makes no sence .. But if the infinity shit is true , then the existance of that planet is fact..... Gosh you dumb tho
>Sooooooo... You believe that there is literally a planet of CCˇs who communicate through rap lyrics ?(Too lazy to make this more absurd , you just gotta imagine the paradox)I can conjure more crazy shit up in the Hurr infinity theory than you can about christianityJust answer the question
Which fucking question did I not answer you ignorant chimp? You "talk" stupid as fuck.
>>704704920
I'm only waiting for evidence.
>>704711236
You like spelling like a retard smoking weed, huh?
>>704704920
Phase? 28 here still firmly agnostic.
>>704710998
Atheism isn't a phase, it's just a lack of belief in deities which is congruent to the lack of evidence to support their existence.
im kinda an athiest with mystical ideas regarding physics.
>>704710706
>I don't know the answer so I'm going to believe in bullshit because it makes me feel better.
Kek. If you're actually that concerned about origins, why aren't you asking where god came from?
>>704704920
Im still atheist. Tell me how to believe in god, I'll do it, really
>>704711399
"Agnostic"
Definition: Somebody who thinks religion is hogwash, but is scared of death.
>>704711103
>If you don't believe me look into it yourself
not playing this shit faggot
I'll give you another chance to refute the points.
1. Society fell apart around 500 after the fall of Rome. Christianity took over.
2. Christianity did not promote knowledge, but ignorance so subjects would obey the Will of God. The Church saw to this.
3. People did not become more intelligent as a species until we regained some of the knowledge we'd lost in the Dark Ages through the Renaissance.
These are all facts.
>>704711376
>taking the b8
>its 2014+2
Does it ever end?
>>704711421
replying to the wrong anon?
>>704711483
>but is scared of death.
who the fuck isn't?
inb4 you
yeah right
>obvious troll post
>see people arguing about the laws of Thermodynamics
>mfw
>>704707762
>a complex multidimensional framework.
Of myths and general literary liberties. If paganism remained the dominant culture, we'd hear the same amount of apologetics.
>>704705432
>hahahaha.
your b8 is shit
>>704711628
I don't usually take bait, but when I do, I look plain retarded.
>>704711041
Theres a flaw in the first proof. Who moved the first mover? They say we cant come from nothing. But god can? That nigga Aquinas made a lot of assumptions and filled in a lot of empty space with god.
>>704707762
>you kids
translation: anyone who doesn't fall lockstep into my unsustainable right-leaning ideology must be millennials, that is the whole of my argument :^)
Strong bait
22
i was 15
>>704711716
"yeah right"
Lots of people aren't afraid of death, why is it so unbelievable?
>>704706617
1) do some hard psychedelics
2) realize that you will never truly know the answer to the question "why are we here?"
3) realize that it's not about knowing, it's about letting that question motivate you to live beyond hedonism
4) pick a philosophy that aligns with how you want your life to be
5) rinse and repeat until dead
>>704705051
butthurt atheist detected
>>704711453
fuck off your the worst kind, you pretty much make "wooh" in your head and make it work with your own flawed understanding.
>>704711358
>I don't believe in things that cannot be proven you ignorant chimp.
You must be really inconsistent with this little belief of yours.Its ok tho , Im sure you are consistent throughout .
>Do I think that there is a statistical probability, given the size of the observable universe, that there could POSSIBLY be other life out there, yes.
Ok heres what you said
"Do I BELIEVE that there....etc" Im sure you dont see the inconsistency here.
>Do I claim to know that there is for certain?No.
You take alot of pride about not knowing shit.
>Once again, you prove just how evasive Christians become when questioned about their beliefs
As stated, not a christian... Never have I said that. But dont worry, you can always pull the " I was merely acting retarded :D:D" card
>Which fucking question did I not answer you ignorant chimp? You "talk" stupid as fuck.
OH shit im a chimp again boiiii :D:D. Ebin.
You really lubed yourself around the point all in all.
But really dude. See you on the otherside.
>>704708693
absolutely rekt in all forms
>>704712163
>Lots of people aren't afraid of death
everyone is, actually
you'd be lying to state otherwise
>>704711243
ah the retard that cant count insulting the retard that can.
>704708693
>704708861
>704712248
so you're all christfags posting on 4chan
>>704712265
I'm not scared of death, I'm scared of dying.
>>704712385
fail
>>704712447
you're splitting hairs
stop trying to pretend you're superhuman
we're not
>>704712023
Yeah but you made up for it by admitting. Good on u m8
>>704712475
hypocrite
>>704712447
why?
>4chan
im right that means you are wrong and dumb.
Does someone grow out of not believing in magical sky wizards and grows into believing in magical sky wizards?
>>704711678
Yep
16
>>704710750
>>704710797
>>704710906
>>704711458
All these post but yet no answers
>>704704920
Still an atheist, stopped being obnoxious about it at 22
>>704712499
Not splitting hairs they are two separate and definable states, I'm sorry your slow ass isn't able to distinguish this.
>>704708693
well one of them is living your life to please a magic wizard in space, the other is going online and talking with people all over the world. might not be the best use of your time, but its definitely better than spending your time in church or something
>>704711586
Your pigeon-hold opinion is based on the dark ages you simpleton. That was government corruption silencing dissidence, not really religion.
The decline of man's health came long before that. But it's obvious you have no interest in the truth and only seek to validate your internalized opinions, however removed from reality, so, argue with your peers, son. I'm done with you if you can't think outside your box.
>>704712604
/thread
>>704707539
>taking the bait this hard.
>>704712565
Its unknown how and why, but when your in the black abyss of non-existence you can't give a shit about anything.
What did you fear about the time before you were born?
>>704712067
No, but I can see how a simpleton like you might believe that since you are used to not thinking critically, and see everything as some binary issue with you squarely on the correct side, like every other dimwit living in fantasy. You're just a hypocrite.
>>704712242
>Ok heres what you said - "Do I BELIEVE that there....etc" Im sure you dont see the inconsistency here.
Statistics and probability, look them up chimp.
>You take alot of pride about not knowing shit.
I don't claim to know things I cannot possibly know. I take what evidence there is and make informed decisions. Only a fool is 100% certain about anything. Why do think that science is full of proven theories? Again, get educated chimp.
>As stated, not a christian... Never have I said that. But dont worry, you can always pull the " I was merely acting retarded :D:D" card
Someone said that in response to me, not the other way around, chimp.
>OH shit im a chimp again boiiii :D:D. Ebin. You really lubed yourself around the point all in all. But really dude. See you on the otherside.
Yes, you are a chimp, a stupid one too. Never told me which question I never answered...oh wait...it's probably because you were too challenged to notice that it had been answered.
I don't care what you believe at this point, I just want you removed from the gene pool.
>>704712657
basic shit:
http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/space/universe/origins-universe-article/
headier shit:
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-the-universe.html
religion is for shitsticks
I don't get how so much people are fuckin idiots
normies:
"why are you so misanthropic?"
>>704712713
>gets btfo
>starts posting like a faggot
k
>>704712067
>imagines a political agenda behind everything
You're cancer.
>>704712738
>That was government corruption silencing dissidence, not really religion.
bullshit
the religion was brutal and advocated brutality
>>704704920
16 same time that I grew out of liberalism
>>704712738
>The decline of man's health
Society collapsed long before major scourges like the Black Death.
What time period are you referring to specifically?
>>704711586
lol. Christianity had been the official religion of the empire for a long time before the western half collapsed. Anytime someone says the term "dark ages", it's a clue that they don't know what they are talking about. The term is Middle Ages. Knowledge wasn't lost. To your average idiot who doesn't know shit, "fall of rome" and "dark ages" implies that Europe was some kind of wasteland for centuries. Simply not the case. This "fall" of Rome was just a political reorganization. The city, and everywhere else continued on and progressed. Knowledge progressed, and as much as it pains you to know, religion, Christianity and especially Islam, were the entities which kept that pursuit of knowledge going forward. Don't bother pointing out individual events with individual scientists. I'm talking about overall here. Know about shit before you talk about it.
>>704712653
Why is science always expected to prove it?
How about religion proves god is real... oh wait, they can't.
God cannot be proved, or disproved, science is not infallible, it has it's floors, and we cannot yet prove everything, but we can sure as fuck prove more than religion.
It is a badly written book, used as a power tool.
"Work for me, or you will suffer eternally"
Is the main purpose of the bible, secondary purposes are:
"I have worked hard all my life, and paid lots of money in tax [to the church] and want to justify it."
or
"I'm scared of death, let me imagine a shit ton of virgins, or my best desires happen, when I die."
>>704712902
Epicurus?
>>704705740
Releasing a race of slaves isn't banning slavery.
Ever rule about slavery was "if you have a slave, release them and give them money" = not banning slavery
>>704713001
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>you're splitting hairs
stop trying to pretend you're superhuman
we're not
You call that BTFO in response to him not being able to understand a word or delineate between two words meaning!
I SMELL SAMEFAG
>>704704920
At like 14 i stopped being an atheist and started not giving a shit either way because it doesn't matter in the end as long as your not a bad person. And look at it this way, if theres no definitive proof (science or misc religion) then there's no point fucking arguing or even having an opinion for that matter
>>704711421
>lack of belief
Dumb line that atheists say. It's not a lack of belief. A caveman might be able to claim a lack of belief. But once you are exposed to the concept of something, in this case the existence of a deity, from that moment on you either believe or you do not believe. Both are beliefs. Stop with this "lack of belief" bullshit.
>>704712923
>you are used to not thinking critically,
actually the fact I am attacking your 1-dimensional point of view is critical thinking.
You seem to think that everyone turns into a drone and ends up conforming to society and that's simply a bare assertion.
>hypocrite
>dimwit
meaningless insults don't diminish the challenges being made. We aren't "kids" but you are a pompous ass.
>>704706137
Couldn't you replace atheism with religion in that pic?
>>704704920
Meh, taking the b8.
I tried the whole religion, worship, sense of community and all that. But I was just absolutely miserable the whole time and felt just as alienated by people. So I just stopped caring. I just say I'm atheist cos it is easier that way to explain what I believe. In truth, I just cannot bring myself to care. And I feel better when I don't care.
Tl;dr: tried religion, didn't work for me, switched to endless complacency.
>>704713015
you're buttmad
>>704713147
>Society collapsed long before major scourges like the Black Death.
>Society collapsed
More falsehoods about the middle ages. see >>704713171
>>704713338
I don't see how, the stupid people can't get it...
And it doesn't make anybody feel important....
>>704712937
Being this mad over the interent.
Id love to see that smug little face of yours must be a real tough guy.. Cant help but wonder ... Who would you assign the task of removing me ?
Atleast you phrase it like youd never have the guts of doing it yourself...
>I don't care what you believe at this point,
Implying you gave what I "TALKED" a single actual thought and just didnt reply from angst.
But all in all, I hope you find your own truth . Peace.
Oh right theres no point of going that road with kids like you ... So I guessss
CHIMP !
>>704713171
>Anytime someone says the term "dark ages", it's a clue that they don't know what they are talking about
Except the term is real, and accepted by scholars, so no.
Condescending Christfag is condescending.
>>704713171
>"fall of rome" and "dark ages" implies that Europe was some kind of wasteland for centuries.
Nobody said that shithead.
My god, just look at the time!
>>704713479
>Except the term is real, and accepted by scholars
It's not. Middle ages is the term. Atheist by the way. Sorry.
>>704713171
>Christianity and especially Islam, were the entities which kept that pursuit of knowledge going forward.
Islam, yes. Christianity, no, and this became a huge problem for anyone trying to change society. See: Copernicus, Galileo.
>>704713338
Nope. The vast majority of atheists don't congregate several times a week to prostrate themselves in front of a statue with hundreds of others. They don't give away money to a bunch of lying con-artists. They don't go door to door to force their self righteousness onto others. They don't try to act morally superior to everyone else simply because they have a different imaginary friend. Most, again MOST atheists just go about their day to day lives unless they are approached with the topic.
It was a nice try though! 1/10 for effort.
Never really believed in god. My parents are atheists and I have never went to church
>>704713254
wow you're really mad you got called out
sorry faggot
EVERYONE is afraid of death
EVERYONE. Deal with it.
>>704713503
>>704713503
>Nobody said that shithead.
That's why it's called an implication.
>>704707389
>implying I don't break legs regularly
>>704713391
I know, I read it.
You're a condescending twat and my points stand.
After Rome, Christianity took over, and the Dark Ages were real, from basically 700-1100 CE. And yes, we lost knowledge because the Church would not allow the common people to even read.
>>704713443
BAHAHAHAHA
>"replying from angst"
>"kids like you"
>"CHIMP !"
>being this mad
>projecting this much\
I pity you.
>>704713632
> I'm scared of death
> You must be too.
>>704713553
Just shut up.
>>704713254
AHAHA YOU RESPONDED YOU MUST BE MADDER!
>>704713689
No it's actually a strawman argument if you're trying to ascribe a position that isn't there.
Nobody is making the claim that Rome was a "wasteland for centuries."
>>704704920
28 years old, going to a slayer concert tonight. Atheism is an inevitable conclusion to any rational thinking person.
>>704713776
you must be a shitty troll to keep replying
I was about 20 when I realized there was no god nor afterlife and realized the only reason there is a belief of an afterlife is because people are absolutely terrified of the unknown
>>704713632
Yeah i dont want to get into this argument but a lot of older people are much more ready for death than you
>>704713884
>atheism
>an inevitable conclusion
which is why the Church needed armies to impose religion
>>704713762
>After Rome, Christianity took over, and the Dark Ages were real, from basically 700-1100 CE. And yes, we lost knowledge because the Church would not allow the common people to even read.
Christianity was the official religion long before the western half of the empire dissolved. And there's no "after Rome." And it's middle ages, not dark ages. And knowledge was not lost you dumbfucking fuck. You idiots have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>704713909
Not even me faggot I have the dogs in my posts as I always do.
>>704713994
actually you have "a lot of" opinions you love to state as fact :^)
>>704713632
In all honesty I'm not afraid to die. Like would it be scary if I got kidnapped or murdered? Fuck yeah but everything comes to an end. Why fear the inevitable?
I started having doubts (about my atheism) at the age of 23. Now I'm 25 and I'm struggling with my faith, sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not. But I feel better overall.
>>704704920
>falling for encient propoganda
>maturing
>>704713884
But is rationality the be all end all means of experiencing a life? Or are there phenomena that simply cannot be explained through mans rational mind?
How can you KNOW your entire life isn't simply a hallucination?
In, like, ninth grade I went from atheism to just kinda not giving a fuck about any form of spirituality.
>>704714016
I've actually explained my position to you more than a couple of times, and you're still a condescending twat
>I'm an atheist btw
tipping intensifies
>>704704920
>>704714086
exactly its impossible to fear nothing, especially an inevitable nothing, what most can't handle is the process leading to this ultimate final swansong
>>704714086
>In all honesty I'm not afraid to die
then you'd be fucking lying
why are we still having this discussion?
>>704713788
make me.
>>704713873
>Nobody is making the claim that Rome was a "wasteland for centuries."
Calling it "dark ages" and claiming that all this knowledge was magically lost implies that something cataclysmic happened, when in reality all that happened was a political reorganization. It's really not that different from the pre-WWI European empires dissolving into independent countries.
>hurr durr muh dark ages, everyone instantly became dumb and the church tried to keep it that way.
Just no.
>>704713061
Again, it was corruption. They used religion as a tool. That wasn't religion doing that shit, it was corrupt people and the uninformed being manipulated by them.
If you think the history of religion begins and ends in the dark ages, you are wrong to base your beliefs on a single turbulent time period
>>704714016
What the fuck are you talking about retard of course knowledge was lost if anyone had any other belief that the church didn't like (such as the earth bein round) they would usually imprison you or just outright fucking kill you
>>704714086
>Why fear the inevitable?
because dying is not a philosophical argument
it is real
>>704714061
That is a fact... there were studies done where the older people get the more they accepted death also
>"EVERYONE"
>Questions how factual my statement is
>>704704920
When I learned about science in college I changed from atheist to agnostic. A good scientist has to be agnostic, despite all skepticism, you have to be open to any idea until there's a way to test it.
>>704714273
>claiming that all this knowledge was magically lost
said no one ever
>>704714252
Cause you been proved wrong by several people and just keep doing the "LALALALALA IM RIGHT AND YOU KNOW IT" argument like a christian does when confronted by historical, scientific and moral reasoning why they are wrong.
>>704714194
>I've actually explained my position to you more than a couple of times, and you're still a condescending twat
I don't have the patience to tip toe around your emotional need to be corrected nicely. This isn't a "I respect your opinion, but allow me to offer a counterargument" type of thing. We're talking about historical facts here, and you're just wrong.
>>704714273
You imply so much shit its unreal.
>>704714304
There are some instances of that, but overall that is a huge generalization. The fact is that the church was the center of research and learning during the middle ages. No amount of angsty atheism and fedora tipping is going to change that historical fact.
>>704714299
>That wasn't religion doing that shit, it was corrupt people
bullshit
this is a bare assertion
the religion gave them the power to brutalize the populace by commanding that all rival factions are blasphemy, this is a fact
>>704714252
There's a difference between you thinking people are lying about being afraid to die and being afraid to die
>>704704920
Religions are like guns and lawyers and drugs, in that they have a good and useful side to them.
Or they can be used badly.
>>704714299
>If you think the history of religion begins and ends in the dark ages,
never said that
Jesus you faggots are nothing but strawmans
>>704714337
stop lying faggot
>>704714324
No shit it's real but you could literally fucking die tonight by simply rolling off your bed the wrong way. Death is real,sudden and often times unexpected and that's my point if you come to terms with the fact that you could die tomorrow or right after even posting this comment it's easier to come to terms with eventual death than it is being afraid of it. Me? I'm 21 and I ealready have a will not because I look forward to dying but because I know it can happen at anytime and coming to terms with that makes me not fear it
Why are christfags such pussies?
>>704714402
>you been proved wrong by several people
Someone else's opinion isn't being "proved wrong."
Destroyed some false statements by the idiots ITT, gotta run though. Maybe crack open a book before you take such strong positions on shit you have absolutely no clue about. I hate the church as much as you, but you have to give credit where credit is due. Without the church, it would have actually been the "dark ages" as you dipshits put it. Toodles.
>>704714402
/thread
>>704714710
Stop being a faggot, faggot
http://psychsocgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/57/4/P358.full
>>704704920
well i never belived in god even i was raised in christian family but i stopped to have anything with religion when i was like 14/15
>>704714480
>We're talking about historical facts here, and you're just wrong
But I'm not. And frankly all you've responded with are insults and assigning positions that I haven't stated.
I will reiterate for you again:
The Church took over after the Fall of Rome. They did not even allow the populace to learn how to read. They pushed weakass Aristotle "explanations" of how things work.
People were executed for not believing in God. This happened for a good 500+ years until the Rennaissance.
If you are an atheist, you would stop arguing against this.
>>704704920
18, I am a paganfag now. Judge me all you want.
The fact that these "atheist" got baited this hard blows my mind.
In the end, we all find out no one cares about you. Let the religious be religious, and let the atheist be buried and forgotten.
>>704714756
>Me? I'm 21
that kind of explains a lot
People in their 20s think they're invincible and really aren't thinking about death.
>>704713884
Cartesius, Kant, Plotinus, Pascal, Hegel
Saint Augustine, Aquinas, Anselm of Aostadon't think the same
Not an atheist because "muh intelligence muh rationality" but because it doesnt feel right to believe in an almighty God that doesnt helps at minimum its people he created to resemble him
Just no fait on any religion
Fight me
>>704715039
>If you are an atheist, you would stop arguing against this.
Whether or not I believe in a magical sky wizard has nothing to do with pointing out that you don't know shit about this time period. You do not know what you are talking about. Just stop.
>>704715145
What are you, in your thirties?
Yeah that explains a lot, people in their thirties think they have everyone figured out and aren't really thinking about much else.
>>704715145
What exactly is in a 21 year old's will? "And to you, little brother, I leave my holographic pokemon cards. For as I enjoyed them, you may enjoy them as well. I never got rid of them because I'm a manchild who clung to his childhood innocence because my adult cynicism was hated by all."
>Replies: 309
Waw
>>704715153
Kind of a meaningless study in that they still can't prove what people feel when they're at the point of death, and it's an assumption that you would feel "peace" if you were strongly religious.
The fact is we fear death. It is imprinted in our genetics as human beings. See: survival.
>>704715156
More or less same here but just because there's no absolute evidence for any of the beliefs or opinions i would prefer to call them so no point in having an opinion or belief
>>704715297
I'd like to think I'm mentally in my 30s, but I turned 51 this year.
>>704715039
East or western roman empire you just put them both together
>>704715145
I would say that's true and even agree thats what I used to think but in all honestly after the death of my cousin whom I really thought would be the last guy to die especially the way he did really opened my eye
>>704715314
Just posting a basic fact, that people in their 20s think they're going to live forever.
Sorry it got you so buttmad.
Honestly i don't care one way or the other. I consider being either an athiest or religion to both be equally pointless. Its just no something I waste my time pondering.
I'll just live my life and try to a decent human being , If there is a God and he chooses to subject me to eternally torture for simply being indifferent, all that proves to me is that God is an asshole and wasn't worth the time to worship in the first place.
>>704715429
Yeah, im not the kind of fedora atheist, I just have no interest in it, im indifferent and feel not attracted to any religion, maybe one day I'll get drunk enough and in order to get my shit together I will find Jesus
>>704715547
Yeah I have to admit I never had any close experiences with death when in my 20s, there are exceptions.
>>704715015
kek'd
Preferred the Goauld personally.
>>704715314
Pokemon? No but iv saved alot of money doing the work I do and not really a will of objects but more of my last thoughts to those around me just in case I don't get the chance to say them myself
>>704715662
>the Go'auld
smart and sexy
>>704715554
Replied to the wrong person.
Either way, why the hell are people so obsessed with what other people are doing? So religious people can be overbearing. You don't think atheist are, too?
Every retard thinks they have to pick a side on everything.
Feminism - Humanity
Religion - Atheist
Muslims - America
What kills me is that your opinions, no matter what side your on, don't fucking matter. You really think anyone who CAN make a difference is listening to you?
This is why people think you're retarded. No one but you fucking cares.
>>704704920
what convinced u that god is real? The fact, that nobody loves u?
>>704715617
that or just eventually go full Buddhist and learn kung fu, but yeah, fuck it just get on with your life, i'm just here to see people get mad
>>704705938
>im delusional
>but not mentally ill
>>704715936
>So religious people can be overbearing. You don't think atheist are, too?
No. Atheists just annoy the old conservative guard. Free thought is a threat to the system.
>>704716008
Fucking christians and fedoras are strinking hard, man
And I thought that all the roleplayers where shitposting on /x/
