What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal? Is the fear of prison the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
I do murder and steal all I want.
And the amount I want to murder and steal is ZERO.
It is very damning when religious people basically admit that without their fear of hell, they would do these things. They're admitting they're a psychopath on a leash.
It's really no different from a fear of police or being somehow subject to punishment. If there were literally no consequences to you stealing, I guarantee you that you would do it.
As an example my neighbor has a flat screen TV that I want. I have respect for the hard work he has put into acquiring the TV legally and so I won't steal it. I wouldn't want someone stealing something I've worked hard for, so why would I fuck someone else over?
Exactly, making OP's point irrelevant. Btw, in my country muslims commit a disproportionately larger amount of crime than atheists do.
Just because you dont believe in a god doesnt mean you are gonna be a bad person this is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
that's because atheists do not exist. It is easy for anyone to commit more crimes than something or someone that doesn't exist.
a true atheist, if it existed, would not bother with arguments about religion or creationism, because it is foolish to them and they see no reason to refute it. If others wish to believe in their god then what is the harm?
but instead, we have "Atheists" going around preaching their belief, which they claim to not be a belief at all. It's all very paradoxical.
There is scientific evidence that God exists. The shroud of Turin, which although initial carbon dating showed it to be a possible hoax, later more perfected carbon dating proved it to be authentic, and unexplainable by science.
There is no proof of God, there never will be proof in science because God is the creator of science, he is not inside it but outside it. You cannot find a man inside a piece of pottery, but the man still made the pottery.
yea i will likely feel the same, it's one of those unforgettable childhood gems that i don't want to spoil by trying to go back to it
Knowing that adding the prefix 'a' to the beginning of a word means "without" lets define the word theist
theist: one with a belief in the existence of a god or gods
so following naturally an 'a'theist would be someone without this belief
If there was undeniable evidence would I believe in a god? yes. I would be unable to deny the evidence. does that disqualify me from being an atheist? No. I currently do not hold the believe that a god exists
Good, undeniable evidence lies in the shroud of turin. Research it, watch the videos of it on Youtube. There you will find undeniable evidence, so long as you do not think with a bias mind. Atheists however, can do nothing but think with a bias mind in my experience. They are set on disproving (even with faulty logic and arguments) instead of learning.
As someone who does not smoke tobacco, I can tell people who do smoke to stop and educate them as to why they should without also introducing them to another cancer causing habit.
It is actually proven by science including NASA to not be a forgery, you are speaking with lies. as expected from a so called "Atheist" who hasn't got all of the facts straight.
This thread will only be filled with liars and deceivers who are hell bent against God. It is not that they have no belief in a God, they are instead militant in trying to mislead others away from God.
I will have no part in such things.
you will pay your price in the end, my advice is, seek the truth and turn from your bias hatred.
The evolution of altruism as a benefit to a population, thus a benefit to individuals in that population made it necessary for social strategies to be employed.
It boils down to game theory, but with a few twists.
A population of animals who do altruistic acts expect at some point for their actions to be reciprocated, if not by the animal who directly received the act then by someone related to that person.
Individuals and families that subscribe to reciprocal altruism in turn benefit from societal altruism. Those that don't experience a temporary boost in fitness, but also experience societal ostracism.
In one line: Act altruistically first, next time act according to the individual/family's response
I help you and you snub me? I won't help you next time
I help you and you help me? I'll have your back next time
It becomes a balancing act where there is always a percentage of the population who exploit altruism for their own gains, but never enough to break a general trend of altruism within a population
Source: Am a population biologist
I am catholic, my mom is literally a nun, well was she left sisterhood to marry my father. But she remains a very devout Christian and still leads the prayer at mass daily.
Confirmed troll, took it too far.
If I showed you Muhammads toenail clippings would you convert to Islam?
There's no evidence of divinity in the shroud of turin. The story of jesus' execution doesn't require the work of a god for it to have actually happened. In fact I'm sure hundreds and hundreds of people were crucified in Rome for multiple reasons.
I have a dream.
I have a dream where one day, I can see one of these shit-tier bait threads started by the gang of autists that do this.
And no-one post in the thread. No-one.
The Autist OP samefags but still no-one joins in; the poster count stays resolutely at 1.
I watch the thread as it slowly travels down the pages, heading to the inevitable 11.
Still no-one joins.
OP becomes increasingly desperate, samefagging like a 'bot with a Selena Gomez sex-tape if only you'll do its survey
Finally it dies the 404, with no other pster than OP.
And a little bit of OP dies with it
Rinse and repeat. Every fucking time
That's my dream
Ethics have never been intrinsically connected to faith.
In fact, very often, *unethical behavior* has had a stronger connection to faith than morality has. See ISIS, Al Qaeda, The KKK, The Inquisition, The Crusades, etc, etc, etc.
Morality is something taught to you by your parents, guardians, loved-ones, friends, siblings and society.
"Morality" and "ethics" are structures established by society in order to guide humanity towards a common good.
tldr: The answer is different for every Atheist, but for Atheists like me -- we live ethical lives because we believe in society. We believe society is what makes man great. So living with in the ethical confines of our society is the best we can do to further our species.
Oh for fuck's sake get over yourself. You're so wrapped up in your intelligence that you fail to see how stupid you are for responding to a bait thread.
>and I'm an atheist too, and look what you make me do, you numpty
You kids are so new to the internet you've never fully understood how trolling works. Someone trying to engage a conversation, even if they personally are not interested, is not trolling.
That's not how bait works.
"Bait" is "trolling is a art." Not asking people their opinions of atheist morality.
It's really quite sad that you've all failed to understand how it works. I go on forums these days and try to engage people in genuine conversation and they say: "Stop trolling me." Because the opinion I expressed seemed extraordinary to them.
This isnt what trolling looks like. It isnt what bait looks like.
You make my point beautifully.
Bait and trolling only work well in a serious thread. This is a bait thread full of trolls trolling trolls - it's the intellectual equivalent of incest, and you just fucked your sister in the ass whilst sucking your brother
I didn't even read all of your post because its a stream of consciousness justifying how clever you are, how good at trolling and how you are the real /b/ and the rest of the world newfags
This question is stupid. So you are telling me that morals only can be gained by being religious? That's wrong and everybody who ever read the bible or quran knows that.
Yeah, Jesus talked about loving each other but remember the angry god from the old testament? He wanted Abraham to kill his own son as a proof of his faith. (Always thought god is allknowing). And there is a lot more bullshit in the bible you shouldn't base your morals on! Morals come from a healthy human mind, not from and old boring book.
Not OP but it is philosophically impossible to believe in an objectivr Good or Bad without a Gid to make it so. While some msy argue they do they usually just end up arguing social utilitarianism andcsupplant their own subjective values of moral worthbto any transacyion or event whichbis usually just a rationalization of their emotional reaction.
*the internet equivalent of fingers in ears and going "Lalalalalala"
Because you really don't understand this thread. You respond so earnestly, with citations, and you're the only one ITT who gives a fuck because the rest are all taking positions they don't necessarily hold to get a reaction.
And that includes me
And that includes you
And you still won't understand, so I'll leave you now....wondering
Nice try anon but atheists affirmatively believecthere is no God. It is agnostics who arent sure as there is no proof either way.
Stop trying to lump yourself in with the entirely reasonable agnostics. You sre just an irrational pessimistic nihilist.
Morals are not a construct of religion, were that the case we would still have capital punishment punishment, murder homosexuals and burn witches; Intelligence dictates morals. As we learn that there is no afterlife, we let people do as they please and punish those who harm others. This is the only moral that exists. We are intelligent animals, we are no exception to nature; we do not apply morals to nature and yet we still behave as animals, with the exception of our tendencies to kill our own. These types of people are the result of nature gone wrong and exist regardless of whether religion is present or not
>It's always cute when you millennials try to lecture me about how trolling works
because you understand so well.
because I'm 60.
And because you're still responding to me
and I find you so funny, so earnest
because you could be trolling me, But we both know you're not
oh, and it's spelled "millennials".
So you're arguments are invalid as you made a typo/grammatical error/spelling error
>fear of prison
Or loosing friends as most people don't want to hang with a murderer and ruining families, even taking away the concept of prisons then lives are still destroyed by murder and most functioning humans don't want that. Desire to be liked and functioning is just human hard wiring, i don't need any ancient books to tell me that.
>also to all the religious folks, how do you feel about the billions of people who say there are others gods and that *you* will burn in their hell for not following theirs? What makes your god more real than all the others in the world today? To say nothing of the ones that aren't worshiped any more.
Atheists don't believe there is no god. Atheism is lack of belief.
This whole agnostic atheism being the most scientific is also bullshit. What if people 15 000 years back could fly like Clark Kent? Well there is no proof either way so I am intellectually superior for being a solipsist faget, right?
>posts picture of something we have evolved to like as it shows good chance of carrying on our genes if we fuck that as opposed to an ugly landwhale
Why wouldn't god make everyone attractive? Why does god make cripples? That doesn't really feel "all loving" or "all poweful" he either intentionally shits on some people by choice, or can't actually affect it, its not like its free will
Wait, you mean the only reason religious folk DON'T murder and steal is because of fear of their imaginary friend, who they HAVE to visit once a week and talk to every day?
Well, that's very unsettling news.
I thought it was about bake-sales and charity work and shit...
Don't discuss theism with me or my son ever again.
poes law man, can't tell the retards from sarcasm any more.
Ever since the flat earth mongoloids crawled out of the woodwork on social media a few months ago there isn't anything so stupid i can see on the internet without someone being sincere about it.
I'm an atheist aka someone who doesn't believe what people say about god as they have not provided me any valid reason to do so. I don't have moral compass. I have ability to reason instead. Morality just follows from reason. I could murder every living thing on this planet but there really isn't any reason. So why do something that has no point and does waste my time? Also it would be counter productive as I kind of need the people. If I would kill everyone I just dislike then it would turn world into place where people would try to kill me as well. That doesn't sound very good idea either. So not killing anyone and hoping other people agree is the best course of action for my safety. Same goes for stealing, if I respect other peoples property, maybe they do same for me. It's much easier not to steal than trying to protect the property.
Being and atheist doesn't mean you've lost your humanity. If the only thing that keeps religious people from commuting crime is fear of punishment in the next life then I guess we know who the better group of people are.