Seriously, what gives with this app?
I consider myself a reasonably attractive male with all of the desirable credentials but I can't get any matches. I even like average Janes and have dogs in my profile pic. I live in a smallish town and its kind of rural. Could that just be it?
>Successful anons, share your profile in this thread.
Also rate thread.
Tits for your time.
>>769048510
When women use this app they are looking for the cream of the crop alpha as fuck males. You have to lie. Even plain Jane women think they deserve better
>>769049459
Exactly. They see you and say"huh. I can get him at the grocery store". I want someone I can't normally get
It’s all how you talk to them. I’m average at best and fucked a grip of skanks on this
>>769049655
Same poster here : protip Mose skanks are on after they get shitfaced at the bars ...9pm on up to about 2am
how many matches at max you had anons??
Tinder used to be good before the payed features got in to the app.
When i used it then i got a min of 10 matches a day now i can get hardly any without spending money on the app.
Its basically pay to win now.
Shit app go out and meet chicks how they did in the old days works better than tinder nowadays.
>>769049655
This-
I hopped off the app 'cause i needed to be out of integrity with who i really am if I wanted to get some pussy...... wasn't really about losing myself like that, but be direct. Don't just say "hey,"
Say some shit like
"So I'm trying to find out how to break the ice with some chick I wanna have sex with- any tips?"
Or some shit
>>769049888
But I don't get how paying benefits you getting more matches? Does paying for the extra stuff make you look better? lol
It feels rigged, I created an account 3 days ago and I got 6 mathes that night, nothing after that... it´s p2w.
You either have to look like Nick Bateman or look decent and have good personality
I had around 60 matches from different countries before i quit bcoz i was bored.I live in a country with less tinder penetration btw
Bumble is better
Tinder gives too much power to the women, and in the dating game, that's not good for the average joe schmo
Bumble is marginally better, but best apps are POF and OkCupid. I've fucked a bunch of hoes just last year from those sites, some ugly, some average, and some hot as fuck. Just don't be picky.
>>769048510
had a good spell on tinder before meeting my current gf a few years back. Altough I live in europe and tinder works a bit differently here.
what worked for me was clearly quantity over quality. Due to the way tinder is structured, as a male, you cannot be too choosey or else you possibility of matching drops considerably (just plain statistics)
thus I'd recommend to just swipe the hell out of them, you can filter women after matching.
also, matching with "average Janes" gives you the possibility to train flirting or testing new flirt techniques etc.
And from my experience again, give average Janes a chance. Had some amazing fucks with some girls I'd usually not notice.
Another aspect is your location. Tinder works best in areas with a high concentration of young single women. Thus cities, specially ones with universities.
>>769048510
>I consider myself a reasonably attractive male with all of the desirable credentials
That's why. You're more than likely actually ugly as fuck with a shitty personality.
>>769049793
Matches I had around 100 in a time span of five month give or take, most of the matches don't lead to anything in europe tho. only slept with 17 of them.
>>769050316
it makes you more visible, giving you better chances on the tinder market.
>>769049888
but triple guy is correct, don't realy to heavily on tinder, it's a nice addition, but you gotta get out too
>>769051303
Naw dawg I'm lit
>>769051153
this
diversification is always good
>>769051513
Lmao get a haircut that isn't the $8.99 Great Clips special and mayyybe you'll have a chance
>>769051303
yeah honestly you sound kinda boring and cringy type A ish. Girls on tinder swipe right if you're funny in your profile or you're just really attractive
>>769048510
I don't know what qualifies as successful, but I actually ended up dating the second person I wrote to on Tinder. After that, I had sex with two other girls. This is all across 3 years of pretty low usage.
I didn't really experience the whole "girls just wanna find an alpha to fuck", I only really found girls that just wanted to talk and then see what would happen. Sometimes it lead to being friends, sometimes it lead to nothing, sometimes it lead to sex.
Anyway, no secret to it, just look good and have a funny or chill presentation. My presentation is "Cafés are cozy af, I live for movie nights", something like that. Works pretty okay.
Dude just insist,
Matched with a girl, told her I'll pick her up and go for coffee, told her we're going to a friend after, we all chilled and eventually got drunk, I fucked her that night and here I am 8 months later dating her happy Af
Stop making excuses and step the fuck up
>>769051153
>okcupid
jesus christ what is this 2002? you'll only find std-riddled 40 year olds there
>>769051153
Interesting, never heard of POF, is it common in jewrope? Gonna try bumble also, sounds fun.
>>769051513
thats you?
you look like a fuckin dweeb
women want someone who can make them tremble, aka not fuckin you
>>769051940
Lol dating a chick that you can bang on the first night means shes easy asf. Prolly gonna cheat on you
Well I’m in Asia and I found my gf from that app lol
>>769048510
Post a picture of your profile. You’re probably making some mistakes in the way you’re presenting yourself.
Living in Europe, considering trying Tinder. Really don't know if i should tho.
>>769052103
why not? what are your gripes about it?
Seriously no matches OP? Thats pathetic. 1300 matches here and I'm not even that hot
>>769052101
Help
>>769052163
I mean, I'm pretty good looking, I guess, you just gotta not be a basic ass beta cuck OP and you'll be fine. Get that stick out of your cock
>>769051513
You look fine, maybe a bit young for tinder, but I hope you don't use that as your profile pic then ye I get why you dont get mathces
>>769052163
That's a pretty quality profile my dude. Showing off the goods and flexing a confident bio.
Good on you for figuring it out.
>>769052010
kek
>>769052163
what the fuck are you a statue? who in their right mind would fuck that
>>769052201
0% success rate with that
>>769052306
Lol it's a joke, and it probably gets more pussy than you
>>769052306
Your insecurity is shining through
>>769052306
Virgin detected
>>769052163
i have a feeling those amount of matches are gained through you pay having to pay for it though so are you really winning?
I'm not sure what's up with tinder. I had an account for about a year and during that period I had hundreds of matches, good looking girls too. I ended up meeting with a ton and had sex/hooked up with a decent amount of them as well. Then I met my gf on there and deactivated my account. When we broke up I reactivated my account and didn't get shit.
I'm not sure if it had anything to do with me having the account for so long but I know tinders algorithm can make or break you... idk how else to explain going from a ton of matches to absolutely none with the same pictures
>>769051303
Not to mention
>nice guy
"I text her 'good morning, beautiful' everyday and she hasn't given me le sexx yet! What a cunt"
>>769052338
>>769052432
>>769052459
Samefagging this hard
>>769052601
Hate to break it to you, but the consensus is in
>>769052338
>>769052601
Actually I'm just this dude but I appreciate other anon
>>769052163
university of michigan
liberal detected
>>769052666
>phoneposting
Fuck off cuck
>>769052601
rekt
>>769052201
Fuck should i install it or not
>>769048510
So does tinder actually work if I'm looking for a relationship or is it more for hookups?
>>769052941
Every profile will say no hookups but they're all whores
>>769048510
absolutely bang average looking 30 year old divorced dad who has gotten more sex from tinder than you've had hot dinner from your mum, here
the trick is to buy a month of premium and just swipe right on literally everything. its only 15 bux. a box of condoms probably costs that much where you live. never mind your half of a dinner date.
just because you get a match doesnt mean you have to talk to the girl, and if you accidentally match with someone you didnt mean to, say a friend or colleague, you just tell them the truth. every male and most females play the numbers game on tinder. its accepted behavior
when you get a match you actually want to pursue, just be charming. if you arent already charming then disregard this post and go back to fapping. if you are charming then try progress to kik/whatsapp asap and go from there. once you get the digits its a done deal. just gotta do the dance for another while til youre ready to go on a date and then keep doing that til you get your hole/a relationship as you prefer
tinder is great tbh. its one of the things i miss most about being single
>>769052941
A lot of women are looking for relationships on tinder, but the guys are usually not. I've personally had a girlfriend from tinder, it was not hard at all.
>>769052941
Don't date a girl you meet up with on tinder. That just shows she's already desperate for a relationship if she can't find one in real life. More often than not, the chick is valuing the "relationship" over you
>>769052989
That doesn't answer my question...
Got around 50~ matches in around 3 days, average sized UK town.
Vanity speaks volumes, but so does a good description and a good smile.
>>769048510
Pay one month for the Tinder Gold. You won't regret it.
There is a divide between genders here. On average women get higher ratings from men than men get from women, so on dating apps women naturally feel more valued and thus they are less likely to consider a male 'on their level' and thus dateable
>>769052470
This
>>769052998
If you're not a broke ass bitch it's totally worth it
>>769052941
Yes, it works. Depends on the person, though.
>>769053093
It makes no difference at all, you're still gonna look the same lol
>>769052941
Young people on dating apps want one thing and that is a night of fucking, fucking and fucking. Looking for a relationship there can easily land you someone desperate who can't get one in real life and you DO NOT want a relationship with someone like that.
>>769051513
you look ok, but seem a bit autistic
>>769053196
But you can see who have liked you, dummy.
>>769048510
Go to restaurants and pickup waitresses you scrub.
>>769053346
lol you really think this works anymore
>>769052941
Don't listen to the people saying the app doesn't work for relationships, they're probably virgins. I've personally done both and it's kinda just like regular dating. See where it takes you, no expectations is probably the best outlook
>>769053321
They would have liked you if you didn't pay or not. Paying is stupid it doesn't make a diff
Whats wrong with me?
>>769053443
Trudeau what have you done with your hair?
>>769053419
the premium month gives you unlimited swipes and better visibility than the average user. tinder is 100% a numbers game and being able to sit at your desk, on the shitting, or while walking home and just swiping endlessly will really up your chances to land whatever kind of girl youre looking for
be honest with yourselves, did you pay to increase your matches and did you only succeed in anyway because you paid?
in my eyes you lost because you had to give a little more than what the average 5/10 girl would have to give on the app.
If you did that's a low excuse to call yourself an alpha or any of the sort.
Also if you're offended you've proven my point.
>>769053443
You are perfect just the way you are.
wait is it allowed to post bulge and/or shirt off?
I hace sexed ten 100 women men
I get 1-2 matches per day and I'd consider myself a 5/10 at best. It helps that I live near a big city, but don't be afraid to be cringey and tell girls what they want to hear. Come off as quirky, but responsible and mature if you can. Also, converse a good bit like a normal person before trying to spring a date.
You don't have to act like a normie for long, just enough that she starts to accept your autism for what it is.
>>769053919
Sometimes gay take while
>>769053919
Its the dog you nigger
>>769053827
I like it tells you how far away he is. That seems most helpful.
A couple things you will need to succeed on Tinder. Coming from a guy who has fucked at least 15 girls using that app.
>You need at least two pictures on your profile that you didn't take.
Ex - a friend taking a picture of you, a business photo, etc.
>unless you're a 10/10 God like Zyzz, desirable women aren't gonna swipe unless you put your job or your career on your profile. women like men who are determined.
>swipe on everyone, no matter how ugly they are.
>>769054052
Only got the dog a month ago and the results haven't changed much. Also, OP said he had a dog in his profile and it wasn't working. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted.
What do you guys think?
>>769048510
Might just be ur town homie, I'm pretty ugly and I still get a decent amount of matches
>>769054404
Looks lonely but not bad looking.
>>769054452
10k pop
I'm figuring out very quickly that the girls I'll swipe no on are the ones who are going to be swiping yes on me.
We're just not going to attract what we are attracted to.
When tinder was older like around 2014 ish when there were no payed features i had around 600 matches with girls acc responding and wanting to hook up and grab drinks and now that its pay to win i have around 200 matches with only 2 dates. Now im not saying this is tinders fault it is but with all this bullshit girls allso are more affraid to hook up and go on dates with strangers tinders just sucks go out to a club and meet girls there 100% more succesfull than bullshit tinder now
>>769052941
I had a relationship for 2 yeas with a girl i met of tinder, but allso a shit ton of hookups, works for both.
>>769048510
>Seriously, what gives with this app?
>I consider myself a reasonably attractive male with all of the desirable credentials but I can't get any matches. I even like average Janes and have dogs in my profile pic. I live in a smallish town and its kind of rural. Could that just be it?
Tinder is for sycophantic princesses, who just want to play "Ken n' Barbie" in their own head. There's nothing wrong with you (if you feel you're in the "fuckable" category) just a lot of shallow people in this world.
Also in the digitial world. the ratio of male/female users for dating apps/websites is like 20 to 1. So already there is too much demand and no supply for men.
Last, Tinder isn't meant for small town people. There's is little or no selection to be had. I mean, all it's going to do is point out who the biggest slut is in your town, and most likely it's going to be your neighbor who's is also your blood cousin (srsly, true story).
I'm kind of hesitant to use tinder as it requires my facebook. no way i'm letting them potentially post all the crap on my timeline
>>769054896
They wont post anything been using it for over 4 years never post anyting on my timeline
>>769054404
queer
>>769054896
You can use only your phone number if you want
>>76905151
Tinder is only useful to the 20% of guys who 80 women fond attractive. Ur just fighting over the battom 20% with 80% of the other men on there. Unless u have a six-pack or make a ton of money tinder isn't gonna get you a women. this applys to real life dating but you get the choice of moving to different dating pools
>>769054993
No h8 pls. I cant handle it
>>769053781
anybody?
>>769055083
Yeah you're fine. Ive seen a bitch's tit on there
>>769048510
*nudges glasses up bridge of nose
>>769048510
You might consider yourself an attractive male, but these whores do not! They want Chads, 10-11's, Alpha's. Trust me.
>>769055285
:( but I'm cute. My mom told me so
>>769048510
It's because you're in a rural area. I didn't get any matches until I expanded the search area to the max, and pretty much all of them were in the city.
>>769055355
Me too buddy, me fucking too
>>769054404
you'll be conkers deep in hoop looking like that if you have a personality to match
I can't tell if being an incel is just a meme or you dudes actually believe the vitriolic and self pity bullshit you espouse.
I'm a fucking Manlet and have scored some sweet sweet pussy on tinder you faggots don't have any excuses play the game have charisma and get laid God damn.
>>769055589
I'm even Army and law student. Nada. Probably just my location.
>>769051513
Wumble stop attention whoring on /b/
>>769055355
Your mom thinks I'm cute too but that doesn't help me on tinder either
I can get more pussy than you faggot and I'm just a 7/10
>>769051991
and that's a problem because...?
>>769052003
stands for plenty of fish. it's a lot of hoodrats but there are some gems in there. I've gotten most of my play from there.
not sure if your location helps or not, but i'm in the states
>>769048510
If you can't get laid on this app you must be very ugly.
I'm bang average but can pull a girl once a week on it.
>>769056519
Cool thanks
And bumble? Seems like it would only attract a very specific kind of woman (feminists)
>>769056933
Bumble's the one where the women HAVE to make the first move, right?
Tried it.
Every woman's first move is "Hi", "Hey", or "Hello :)"
Then the onus is back on the guy to make the conversation happen.
I'm not saying it's useless, just that the idea of making the women go first doesn't really make as much of a difference to the dynamic as I think I was expecting.
>>769056602
Yeah, I'm sure being ugly is why I had to delete the app. Is what it is though
>>769056933
you would think. that's how they advertise it but stupid bitches transferred over there even though its exactly like twitter.
doesn't hurt to be on it, but I wouldn't count on it for consistency
>>769057067
Just registered, this'll be interesting.
>>769057120
Yeah, tinder was annoying in the way that the girls almost never wrote first, so this is obviously a remedy at least.
sex
>>769057298
it's the same as in the girl still has to match wit you for both of you to be able to talk. As mentioned above, they just say "hi" "hey" and that stuff cuz ultimately you have to keep the convo going.
>>769057067
that's somethin, back when i was on pof i'd say at least half of their profiles somewhere would have "oh, and if you message me, come up with something better than hi or what's up"
Is this app any good? how many fakes are on there? is it considered weird to have a account on there?
>>769057420
>You have to keep the convo going
That's my specialty, son
I just hate starting it
>>769051513
You'd clean up on bi tinder
>>769057669
well like Tinder, the trick is getting them to match you in the first place. I prefer OkCupid and POF because you can send a message immediately and start the convo
ok, so i have... 15 matches in total over 8 months. only 2 conversations and no hookups- what am i doing wrong?
>>769049793
I had 1200 matches the first time I had tinder. I would like every profile and filter through and delete all the uglies/ fatties
>>769058097
oh and i already live in the capital and swipe right on anyone
>>769058097
Post profile and how densely populated is your area?
>>769058097
You're ugly like me. Deal with it, if you're not a Alpha Chad who is an 11/10. You're considered ugly, even fat whales would still consider you ugly because they only want Chads too
>>769058097
offer them drugs or money
>>769058715
This. Every Pussy has a price tag on it, they say they wouldn't do things for $ until you pull out stacks of 100', believe me. Just up to you if you wanna spend it.
70 matches, 0 success
Highschool was a lot easier.
¨>>769058474
lots of people around.
wont post pic here but i am not fat and pretty tall + lumberjack beard/ hipster glasses.
>>769058521
guess thats it, the only matches i get is +size femenazis
>>769058715
>>769058846
Should i put that in the bio then? cuz i dont even get conversations started.
I have money but i dont do drugs, i guess they dont care tho
>>769048681
Holy fuck
I got most of my matches on tinder by either
A. being funny or
B. pretending like I don't care and being a dick.
I'm a model too so maybe that helped?
My general rule of thumb with tinder though is:
- First picture must be a solo picture of you, straight on.
- Do not have 6 pictures, do not link Instagram unless you have lots of followers
- Include maybe 3-4 photos maximum, have the photos make you out to be 'cultured' or 'important'
- at least one photo should include friends, do not include girls in your pictures.
- Bio should either be witty, funny or serious depending on your approach. Girls will look for all three of these depending on their wants/needs within the app.
Good luck my dude.
>>769048681
11/10
Would breed
>>769052010
>women want someone who can make them tremble
nigga, you think this is an erotic novel?
>>769058956
It couldn't hurt to put it in the bio, if they weren't fucking with you before that, I'm sure a brand new bio wouldn't be so drastic of a change. But, like I said every pussy has a price tag on it so if they see what you have to offer in the bio, you'll probably get matches.
>>769059015
You're a model too?
Lol bro, change your picture to a 5/10 guy, try your tactics, and get back to us.
>tfw I only get matches from older dudes looking for a sugar baby
>guys in their 30s-40s looking for a young top
>grannies and whatever pic related is
I just want a cute girl or a cute boy. Is that too much to ask?
>>769055001
>fond
>battom
>applys
>>769059572
*Trannies is what I meant, but grannies at the office i work at still hit on me
>>769059658
>>769059572
your bio sucks man
Just signing up should net you like, at least 5 matches. How fucking ugly are you really OP?
I'm maybe a 4-5/10 "soyboy" and still got like 5 matches every 24 hours during my first week on tinder...
My description was pretty much:
"Freelance graphic designer and chill dude just looking for new people and to have some fun."
>>769048510
Part of your issue could indeed be lack of a larger population. I've had success with tinder and here are a few tips.
1. write a profile blurb
2. don't just list shit in your blurb
3. include something in your profile blurb that allows for a person to start a convo with you very easily. for example if you mention that you like reading, include a line about "what was your last read?"
4. do not use any selfies for any of your pictures
5. tinder is suppose to be a dating app not a talking app, when you match make specific plans for meeting up. best example i can think of is assume she mentions liking Brooklyn 99 and pizza: "I like your style and I could definetly go for some pizza. How about we go grab something to eat at Luigi's on Thursday at 7 and we can decide which is the best Brooklyn 99 episode so far."
Weeds out people who are just looking and woman appreciate you taking charge and being specific.
>>769059860
That's not mine but that's who i matched with
>>769049459
You're so wrong with this. Most of women are afraid of "Chads" because they are too self aware... little belly, fat legs, bad nose...etc
They'll date an average dude if he's normal, funny and not dumb.
Just talk to them, ask for a casual date/drink... who gives a fuck.
Most of them won't risk to be seen as a whore with you if you're not an 9+. Just be cool and don't be too needy.
>>769060071
not that anon but im using that bio, wish me luck
This is my profile, any time I log on every swipe right is a match.
Every Tinder slut just goes for looks and a simple opener like getting wings leads to me plowing them.
Try it out if you're confident, decent looking, and have a sense of humor.
This basically eliminated 99.9% of you autists but it's still achievable if you're not retarded.
>>769059730
Fuck you it's not funny. I hate it when i bend over to pick something up and one of the older ladies slaps/squeezes my ass
>>769057951
This
I have more luck on OKCupid because you can directly talk to women without us having to match and their profiles usually have more information about them so you have more ideas what to talk about. Downside is that it's not as popular as Tinder so theres less options but you can get lucky and find someone good looking with low standards
>>769060503
#timesup
>>769048510
dont have more than one selfie and putting nothing in my profile has worked best I've found.
>>769060481
That's kind of cringy tho
But if it works who cares
>>769060481
This. Just go with confidence and it works out.
Did you ever go out and get wings with someone, my dude?
I met a girl on there 5 years ago. Fucked her. She's had my baby. Never seen her again.
>>769059216
Dumb sluts do
>>769060314
Where the duck do you live? These Fat Ass Land Whales aren't as self conscious as you think. You see, there's too many beta, simp, incel, thinking with their dick faggots who boost the ego of land whales trying to holler through social media and such.
>>769052010
>women want someone who can make them tremble
michael j. fox?
>>769048510
I live in a rural area too and thats probably most of the issue. I dont have much of an issue attracting girls in real life but on Tinder its rare to get a match. its likely they are looking for a specific thing on Tinder, or certain types of pics or information that maybe youve happened to not provide. its entirely possible someone who would be into you in person might not see you in the same way on the app. I wouldnt invest too much thought into Tinder. Its like a bonus thing, if it works.. great, if not, no big deal.
>>769060893
France, I had shitty profile and almost got 2 matches each days.
You can easily find a good fuck each week
My profile. Wanted to throw in some bullshit slogan without being too fake. One pic of me and a friend and the rest are selfies, had a pic of weed but don’t want whores hitting me up just for that
I can hold a conversation with women easy and in person I'm flexible and confident, but god damn if I just don't know how to open a conversation with them. I used to! I got all kinds of play on POF a few years back but I can't remember how I put it.
>>769060617
I've actually started asking them why they matched with me and one said point blank, "your bio was so shit I wanted to tell you in person but than you were funny."
>>769060639
Yeah, some just don't order wings and get drunk instead. My favorite was a girl ordering really expensive shots and I knew it wasn't going anywhere so I asked the waiter for my part of the check and she lost her shit.
>>769061224
that's a yikes from me
>>769061028
Ahh see there ya go France. I'm in the states so I feel like the women in the states are genuinely a different species period.
Stupid app refuses to let me change my profile text, so it lists a hacked snapchat.
>>769061224
You look fucking miserable. That bio ain't good either unless you want to attract some real skanky crackheads
>>769061224
do you need to show the fucking piss bottles in the background?
>>769061224
Dude that's just creepy
Don't talk about sex like that if You're not 8+ or even 9
>>769061281
>>769061423
>>769061440
>>769061447
Damn ok point taken lmao, time to make some changes
>>769061564
Wear a blazer.
>>769061564
We're not being unnecessarily cruel for the record. You can just do a whole lot better than that shit
>>769048510
If you consider yourself a reasonably attractive male then you probably are not. Go fuck yourself ugly neckbeard scum. Grills want real men not potato-shaped edgelords.
>>769061770
>grills
Jesus how gringy
>>769053919
TopKek what a male gay bio. Cute pupper though
>>769061894
Yeah i am the edgelord neckbeard, i hate myself and take it out on others because i am afraid of working on my problems. Sorry for being a douchebag asshole, not sorry about the grills.
>>769048510
You probably have shit communication skills.
Your bio should be funny and original.
think of what you would write to a girl, stop, and assume that 20 other guys have said that. Be original and not a fucking skid and you will do well.
Worst case you have fun saying funny shit.
>>769049459
>>769060314
Statistics gathered from Tinder have proven this to be true though.
It shows that men are more willing to match with a width range of women, whereas women typically only go for around 10% of the users.
>>769062378
>>769062378
fuckin nerd, no wonder you get 0 matches.
>>769062482
I seriously Lol'd more than I should have, thanks anon. You made a broken soul laugh and smile today
>>769062482
>implying I use dating apps
I've just read the stats on it. I don't need to use an app to find a fucking date, "nerd."
>>769062819
DAMAGE CONTROL
>>769062819
>butthurt nerd
>>769062717
Np friend.
>>769062900
>>769062906
Wrong! I don't use it!
>>769062819
>>769062982
>>769063011
>>769063011
>>769063067
STOP, I have texts to prove it.
>>769063142
>pretending to troll to mask the scent of nerd.
sad.
>>769063268
I'm not trolling, you are just wrong.
>>769063389
>>769052666
lol turn off Incognito mode before you post mate
>>769063142
>>769063389
good thread, fun while it lasted
>>769048510
Successful anons on 4chan hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha please stop hahahahahahahahahs
>>769063619
>damage control
