atheists, if God doesn't exist, then where does the universe come from? why would a slime of proteins magically become a man with a dick and woman with a pussy?
give a better alternative. burden of proof is on you for that.
>>768920166
>burden of proof is on you for that
nani the fuck? science has proven plenty of shit, while christians stop progress.
how about you prove any christian belief, without using the bible as a source (because it's a fictional book).
protip: you can't
>>768920372
science doesnt prove anything, faggot.
The big bang theory is the most autistic story I've ever heard. I'll take my bearded man in the sky over that shit any day.
>>768920372
I agree
>>768920166
The burden of proof is in you, not us religious faggot. Where's your ghost Lord now??
>>768920166
There is no universe.
Only singular consciousness.
Row row you boat...
>>768921069
Science uncovers patterns that are helpful to us every day, like;
>don't put shit in an open wound because germs
Christians thought it was literally Satan meanwhile.
>>768920166
>why would a slime of proteins magically become a man with a dick and woman with a pussy?
>believes some guy justs randomly creates it bcs fuck it y not
Why would any religious person ever post on 4-Chan? I claim Shenanigans!
>>768920372
Hook, line and sinker
>>768920166
where tf did god come from, universe anus?
Nigger do you know number?
Can you think in time as numbers?
Well then think in how much time has this reality
If you can be a kind of spectator who can fastfoward shit then you will see entire universes fucking up with other universes
In human time we need millions of years to only have a shitty time lapse to see that
How can some jew carpenter fag knows the secrets of the infinity?
>>768920166
So we know that an Univere exists? Right? We know this much?
At this point, I hope that we know THIS MUCH. Last time I checked, people were questioning as to whether we lived in "holographic universes", "multi-universes" or "quantum universes".
We live in a fucking Universe.
It's that simple so far.
Now, what this means is that checking upon our history, people have a tradition of ignoring new evidence and defending old traditions. New facts make old people look dumb. It's that simple.
Now, what this means then is that it was rather recently agreed upon that the Universe is NOT material. It is for the most part ELECTRO-MAGNETIC.
Think about this for a moment before making ANY argument against Science whatsoever.
Atoms are still called "The Building Blocks of Matter" even though it is semi-recently agreed upon that MOST mass is not physical but instead electromagnetic. 99.9% of atoms is NON-material. It is mostly electro-magnetic. 99.9% FUCKING PERCENT.
And yet, why on god's good fucking Earth were "atoms" ever considered "basic building blocks"?
>>768924054
The reason is that HUMANS- not "science" or "history"- have a long history of making up shit. Of making up lines. A long, extensive, and exhausting fucking long history. Long, long, long and extensive.
So when you read " Science says this" or "History reads that", what you are really reading is someones attempt to influence you into thinking that some past, probably dead, and likely ignorant or deceitful person was God's ordained authority on this Earth.
"Easter" is still a "holiday" for fuck's sake! After Nuclear bombings, most human beings still believe that some guy died to make their wrong's right and still belief that people who were tortured were someone how God's appointed to being tortured.
To say that it is "Either Jesus as God or no God at all" is to start off with an argument dating back 2000 years ago. TWO MOTHAFUCKING THOUSAND years ago!
>>768921069
>>768920166
Burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. We can not definitively prove that there is no god. But we are not convinced there is enough evidence to prove he/it is indeed there.
>>768924269
Now, with that in mind, you know that a black woman fucking a white man will result in a "mulatto baby"; don't you?
You know damn well that a black man fucking a Chinese woman will result in an asian-looking baby. It WILL evolve. We can agree in this much and this much is not in dispute. Only a legally-retarded person would honestly argue with this.
That being say, we know that species can evolve. You can get a donkey and a zebra to fuck. Babies can come out of that. Evolution CAN happen.
Now, the great big problem in discussing Christianity is the belief that they are either the "good team" who is misunderstood or a bunch of people trying to be "the good team". They are neither. Should you ever meet a Christian-believing person you may find that so much as a maid believes that she is better than you because she has been "saved" while looking at you as a "sinner". This nonsense of "Christianity" promotion humbling is foolishness. Non-sense. Many dumb, ignorant, and self-centered human beings believe that they are BETTER than others simply because they got dipped in water and then called it "holy".
>>768920166
>Where do babies come from, if they don't come from magic?
I don't know, son. I just don't know...
>>768924054
electromagnetisim is one of the four fundamental forces or the material world and electro comes from electrons which are one of the basic subatomic particles of matter also magnetism is the result of physical magnetic poles, electromagnetism is material.
>>768920166
> I don't know how the universe was created therefore god.
Also no decent scientist ever said "slime magically turns into people", there are plenty of resources on the internet if you want to learn how evolution works.
>>768924269
The main thing most people associate with easter is bunnies and eggs because of the ancient germanic tradition of Eostre, goddess of spring.
>Be atheist
>Have an autistic fit over the idea humans were created by a being superior then us
>Suck the dick of the vary idea
>we are created by aliens
>living in an computer simulation
>Everything and the universe only exists in your mind
>We're just sea monkeys in a some lab
>Every condition was met just right at the right time for the creation of earth and the creation of the sun and they just so happened out of the whole universe hook up at the right time with enough space between us with the right asteroid that just so happened to form at the right time that just so happened to have bacteria on it hit the earth and the conditions were just so perfect to spring life from it
>But don't forget if the earth was never hit by another asteroid that just so happened to form at the correct time and fly off in space in the correct area at the right time we would never have a moon that enables us to sustain life on earth
>>768920166
>Give a better alternative.
Admit you don't know.
>>768921069
Saw this, left the thread.
>>768924713
Shhh, they don't like facts, only magical myths.....
>>768924507
Tiger Woods doesn't really look asian, though.
>>768924507
Now, if you want to talk about how dicks got there and how vaginas got here on planet Earth, then the first thing to acknowledge scientifically is to understand that NO ONE can tell you why. Humans have such a terrible, abominable, and rather pathetic history when it comes to Science that trying to argue about it now is itself a sign of a lack of education, of stupidity and of arrogance.
Humans history proves that history moves along the lines of giving value to a majority that rarely IF EVER deserved it, while at the same time punishing those who wanted to honestly and sincerely advance Science.
As for the Theological inquiry made, no one has said that Human's are the only creations of God. NO ONE. NO ONE. Do you fucking get this?
Do you- honestly- fucking get this? No one single major religion has ever claimed that Humanity is what is CLAIMED to be in churches or Temples. Christianity believes that Billions and Billions of human souls deserve to be thrown into hell while 144,000 or so are meant to be sent to heaven. Islam has the Djinn as the superior species. Hinduism has the Maras and the Devis. Nowhere is there so much as a possible, fucking reconciliation for religion and science as we know it or claim to know it. NOWHERE.
With this in mind, remember the almost worst than the worthless history of science while thinking of Theology. Scientific advances have indeed been useful, amusing, and even hope-bringing in a way. However, if you look at the History, at the ACTUAL history, you may find that all species have evolved. And that while other species took 2 steps forward and 1 step back, humans tend to TRY rush towards 30 or 40 steps forward while actually taking a 31 or 49 steps back. It is truly a wonder to think as to whether a few individuals have made most progress, and as to whether the taking back and weakening of humanity was the moving forward and empowering of nature. People live Da Vinci, Michale Angelo and Tesla did more for
>>768924785
> a being superior then us
god is not just superior to us, god is superior to everything and has no flaws
>Every condition was met just right at the right time for the creation of earth and the creation of the sun and they just so happened out of the whole universe hook up at the right time with enough space between us with the right asteroid that just so happened to form at the right time that just so happened to have bacteria on it hit the earth and the conditions were just so perfect to spring life from it
There are billions of earths and suns where that did not happen, though, if a perfect god made everything, why wouldn't every earth and every sun be the perfect place for life to form?
>>768924940
...Science than perhaps 5,000,000,000+ alive RIGHT NOW.
So I cannot tell you what God's attitude on the matter is. I cannot speak for God. However, I can tell you that much of religion speaks badly about human beings and yet most religious people believe that their shit "shouldn't" stink. When you get to studying Theology, Comparative Religion, Science, History and Modern Culture, it becomes clear that much of humanity is a bunch of immature pawns, the "hoi poi", the "profane","vulgar", "proletariat" or "unenlightened" who is under the same Law of Nature that makes 10,000 mouses be eaten by 100 hawks. There is a "pyramid structure" or a "spectrum" in Nature which makes MOST human beings deficient in some way while making few proficient....in some way if not ever in the absolute.
These ARE facts. There IS, in fact, a bell-curve or a "pyramid" structure in terms of IQ, economics, education, or even physical fitness. From the perspective of "God", does it look like the primary concern of Nature is getting every one happy and healthy? Really? Really Really?
You don't need to rather stupidly try to decipher what happenedd 100 thousand billion plus years ago in the Big Bang to realize whether God exists or not.
Instead, understanding the fact that either 75%+ of the population in the most powerful nation in the world is wrong when it comes to "religion" or understanding the fact that that 74.998% of the people are deluded in thinking that they will be "saved" is all you need.
No need to investigate 100 billion year old particle traces that can't even be seen. Instead, simply cross-checking the religious doctrines with common, "traditional" beliefs will show that people gather to pretty much just say non-sense while wrapping it up under "religious" wrapping paper.
>>768925232
>god is not just superior to us, god is superior to everything and has no flaws
you seem to ignore the fatal flaw that god doesn't actually exist.
>There are billions of earths and suns where that did not happen, though, if a perfect god made everything, why wouldn't every earth and every sun be the perfect place for life to form?
we can't actually check if bacteria or dumb life lives on exoplanets.
>>768925502
Jews still skin babies' penises while alive and without analgesics and suck the blood of the bleeding baby penis as a "rite of passage". Humans do that NOW as one of the "most peaceful" religions of the world.
IF there is a God, then that God would hardly support ANY religious group alive at this time. ANY.
The only semi-plausibly decent groups left are those of Christianity and Judaism. And yet, I doubt that God ever rejoiced in seeing child-beating nuns or in blood-slurping and dick-sucking Jewish rabbis.
TL;DR.
No one can prove that God is real or not real. However, any serious and honest study of BOTH religious beliefs AND practice will show how pathetic or deceitful human being are in terms of so called "religious practice".
>>768925596
Biblical god didn't need bacteria to create life and the only real life form in christfaggotry is that which has a soul which is only man everything else is just fodder for the soul which is why there is no moral problem with killing a goat or fish.
>>768925232
Sitting down and taking into account every possibility and the probability it took to create us and the things that keep us alive and everything else on earth is a miracle in it's self. And yet those same people believe that same miracle happened to another life form far away and they have to be more advance then us. It's more logical that the universe was created then popped out from nowhere. Looking at it in percentages, The odds of everything happening in are favor is 0.infinity over and over again.
I think the vary idea anyone who claims to know how we ended up here is an arrogant idiot who over values his intelligence. The one thing religious people and atheist share is the idea in a higher being that will come from the sky and save us or kill us (god or aliens)
Believe in what you want it serves a purpose. Preying and meditation was laughed at one point but now turns out is has a positive effect on the mind and body.
>>768925232
>why wouldn't every earth and every sun be the perfect place for life to form?
Assuming that God does exist; it hardly seems like perfection was "it's" goal.
In fact, all religions make it a point to prove that humans are in one way or other imperfect. Where this idea of "perfection" came from is beyond my imagination.
I personally think that God made us to amuse him or herself and that "it" enjoys seeing a few rowdy and despondent individuals like we enjoy seeing one resilient ant struggling to survive as we hose it's entire colony down with water.
I think God enjoys seeing us struggle in our imperfection. This is not even counter to the Christian idea of a " jealous God" with narcissistic and egotistic tendencies that made out a heaven where Angels sing praises with no end.
That being said, God either
1) Fucked up in making a loving-universe
2) Meant for us to go from the Black Plauge and Crusades to Slavery and Genocide to World War 2 and Drug Cartel as well as Jihad wars or
3) Gave us the ability to screw ourselves over while laughing along the way.
The perfection fo God can be argued depending on how angry you feel at the time. However, NEVER has there ever been an attempt to claim that humans ar "perfect" under any Scientific or Thelogical basis. NEVER. The simple theory of evolution is based upon imperfection.
If you don't want to belief in a God who is smirking as we trip over each other and screw each other over then you can believe in a God that is enjoying the beauty of seeing an imperfect, flawed, and rather deforemed human being like you and me dying out while leaving room for the more perfect, less flawed, and more likeably generation of future-human beings.
And to me, those seem to be the only 2 reasonable estimations of "Gods" attitudes towards us. No religion ever claimed human perfection and no religion ever claimed Divine preference for human beings over everything else. No major religion ever did so.
>>768920166
What's the purpose of this thread again?
Christ was a lying mud nigger.
>>768925816
>which is why there is no moral problem with killing a goat or fish.
there is though? animals are just as alive as humans. i bet you couldn't kill a duck and eat it.
>>768926132
> It's more logical that the universe was created then popped out from nowhere.
The big bang says it came out of a singularity, not nowhere and that it was created by natural forces from the expansion of that singularity, it just doesn't claim to understand everything about singularity since it hasn't yet been measured.
>The odds of everything happening in are favor is 0
Please show your math.
What are the odds of surviving pissing off an omnipotent being that said it would kill you as soon as you ate the wrong apple?
>The one thing religious people and atheist share is the idea in a higher being that will come from the sky and save us or kill us (god or aliens)
No, atheists don't all share that idea and mainstream science is still agnostic over the idea of lifeforms more developed than humans currently roaming the universe.
> Preying and meditation was laughed at one point but now turns out is has a positive effect on the mind and body.
A lot of delusions have positive effects on the mind and body simply by reducing stress because life and death is hard to deal with and causes a lot of stress to think about objectively.
>>768926613
Piss of vegan. I hunt skin and gut animals all the time.
>>768926722
i'm not a vegan though, i eat meat. feel bad every time though, and i'll switch to lab grown meat as soon as it gets affordable.
i don't judge you for killing animals, it's only natural. however i do judge you for your hostile reply.
>>768926174
>NEVER has there ever been an attempt to claim that humans ar "perfect" under any Scientific or Thelogical basis
https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_perfect
Its said in the bible and the very idea of one thing being omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent is the same as perfection.
Humans aren't perfect according to the bible thanks to original sin and the world isn't perfect due to the corruption of the fall of man.
>>768926713
>The odds of everything happening in are favor is 0
>The odds of everything happening in are favor is 0.infinity
>0.infinity
>0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
>show your math
Look at the sky take into count the entire universe visible and not. The odds the everything on earth and us came to be by chance is like winning the space lottery continuously.
>No, atheists don't all share that idea
The majority of atheists share the idea that another life form(aliens) is out their that is more advanced then us and have visited us. They treat it the same as a religious person does their god.
>A lot of delusions have positive effects
Some people believe that eating jalapenos can cure their incurable cancer and have survived. By some strange reason the human body is able to fight off death by simply beveling. If it's delusional or something we don't/cannot understand yet we should not blindly throw away the possibility. There are things is space that seem to break are currant understanding of everything.
I'm arguing in favor of viewing everything agnostically, As we really don't have a clue of what came before.
>>768927486
>The odds the everything on earth and us came to be by chance is like winning the space lottery continuously.
Showing more zeros in your answer isn't the same thing as showing your math an why are the odds of god existing by chance not zero by your logic?
For you to exist something has to exist, but since you only exist thanks to a chance meeting between your parents and you have never met god, why do you believe god is more favorable in your creation than chance?
>The majority of atheists share the idea that another life form(aliens) is out their that is more advanced then us and have visited us.
No, the majority probably thinks its more likely than god, but I doubt the majority believes its definite.
>I'm arguing in favor of viewing everything agnostically,
Except you just said the odds of everything happening is zero there is nothing agnostic about arguing for a zero chance.
>>768927953
>Except you just said the odds of everything happening is zero
I said the chance of everything that happened to earth and is are favor is zero point infinite zeros, Not just zero. The universe is inconsiderately vast and in that vastness every little particle and atom joined together to form everything know. In my view the odds are so minuscule.
I see your problem is when i voiced my own opinion and said
>It's more logical that the universe was created then popped out from nowhere
And that all comes from above. If i have to throw my own horse in the race i doubt everything know to us came to be by chance just by the shear scale of the universe. But i don't go around saying that is the be all end all. I mostly say that when other atheists spout off the big bang is everything and the vary idea that the universe just might of existed always is heresy. You got people who believe what we're experiencing right now is nothing more then a byproduct of another universe that was created by another universe all because someone decided to walk with their left foot instead of their right. I'm agnostic towards the possibilities of how we came to be. But if asked the odds right now i'll say it's in favor of something alien a dream split reality whatever.
>>768929063
>inconsiderately
>inconsiderably
>>768929063
>zero point infinite zeros, Not just zero.
Zero is zero point infinite zeros just like one is one point infinite zeros and its still not an agnostic stance, an agnostic stance would be saying it has a chance of zero point five followed by infinite zeros.
>The universe is inconsiderately vast and in that vastness every little particle and atom joined together to form everything know. In my view the odds are so minuscule.
I don't understand how you can say it exists but also its odds of existing is zero. Also it doesn't just include everything you know and understand, it includes everything you don't know and don't understand. Finally its vastness is what gives a near definite probability of something with a minuscule chance of happening occurring since even the most rare cosmic events are currently happening in some small pocket of those vast reaches of space.
> i doubt everything know to us came to be by chance just by the shear scale of the universe.
Why would it make more sense that a being is responsible for something of that scale when every being we know is much smaller and more temporary in comparison?
>You got people who believe what we're experiencing right now is nothing more then a byproduct of another universe that was created by another universe all because someone decided to walk with their left foot instead of their right.
That isn't how it works at all, if you are alluding to the many spaces interpretation of multiverses, it isn't based on the decision but the mere ability that it can happen so it will in some universe, but its not what created the universe.
>But if asked the odds right now i'll say it's in favor of something alien a dream split reality whatever.
Those are different things and what happened to your earlier god argument either way you are starting to get pretty incomprehensible and jumping topics, is it half past medication time?
>>768920166
Which god?
>>768929063
>other atheists spout off the big bang is everything and the vary idea that the universe just might of existed always is heresy
According to the big bang, the universe did exist for all of time because time itself was a biproduct of the universe and even before time something, ie a singularity, did always exist regardless of the existence of the current paradigm of time and space, it just can't be studied because the current paradigm of time is so integral in the use of measurement.
>>768920372
Religion paved the way for science whether you like it or not.
This bait? Feels like bait
the universe comes from whatever
evolution, RNA world hypothesis
Done. All questions answered.
>>768930912
>>768930027
>what happened to your earlier god argument
Never had one. I stated that if asked and i had to place a bet i'd give the odds to everything being created(encompassing everything from multiverse, aliens, fever dream, computer simulation) vs everything just happening at random. Again i'm not arguing in favor of god i'm saying the possibility of no god or a god are both equally possible.
>The universe is inconsiderately vast and in that vastness every little particle and atom joined together to form everything know. In my view the odds are so minuscule
>I don't understand how you can say it exists but also its odds of existing is zero
I'm not saying the universe does and doesn't exist at the same time. What i was saying is the odds of everything coming together to create life is minuscule.
>its vastness is what gives a near definite probability of something with a minuscule chance of happening occurring since even the most rare cosmic events are currently happening in some small pocket of those vast reaches of space
That is what i'm saying. The universe and everything in it is vast beyond imagination and it is that unknown witch makes me unsure about the idea of everything just coming together because the wind blew one way.
>Why would it make more sense that a being is responsible for something of that scale
We right now can create simulations that will out live are selves who is to say we aren't one and are creator is dead just waiting for the power to shut off.
>>768921776
That's why it's just a theory you dip ass
>>768930990
Why the laughter? Surely you think the chicken came before the egg? Don't be a dunce.
>>768920166
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
>>768931176
>thinks chickens evolved before the egg did
Kek, you are stupid aren't you
>>768930912
>middle-ages
>questioning the biblical world-view gets you tortured, excommunicated or sentenced to death
>only way to get a "proper education" is through the church
>be smart little monk
>find fascinating pre-christian scrolls that somehow survived in some middle-eastern archive
>take it's message, put it through the "pope-approved filter"
>we science nao
>we renaissance nao
>>768930912
sadly this is true
religious gropes had money they supported scientific studies in an attempt to understand the world around them as it would bring them closer to understanding god and themselves
the big band theory was founded by a catholic
no religion no community no civilization no money
>>768920166
At first there was empty space
This space was unstable and created a field
Particles started popping in and out of existence and the field gave some of them mass
This mass got collected and kept getting pushed together by gravity until it was unsustainable and exploded/transitioned into the universe we see today.
This process is similar to what we see in black holes and the universe will probably end in one too causing a big bang all over again.
Life was formed, because the 2nd law of thermodynamics allows for increasing complexity and what's more complex than the eye and crystals? And it makes sense in the chronological timetable scientists have figured out for us.
So where's room for god?
Nowhere except in the minds of th people who believe in it (and in literature).
>>768921891
If you think this universe is some kind of non-corporeal dream state, stop paying your bills for a few months and see what happens.
>>768920166
You can't just making shit up because you don't have the answer
>>768920166
I KILLED A FROG TO MAKE IT EASIER TO GET RID OFF ARE YOU AND GOD PISSED ENOUGH TO PUT ME IN HELL
>>768920166
AND WILL YOU FORGIVE YOU TO GET UP THERE AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I DID WRONG AND NEED TO REPENT AND WANT ME TO DO
