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>>768914069
56 billion huh?
And where do you get that statistic from?
Not like I give a shit. If animals don’t want to be eaten then why are they made out of delicious meat?
>>768914069
Going vegan is true horror indeed.
no
>>768914069
I eat anything I am superior to, which incudes other humans.
>>768914069
if i do 56,000,000,000 animals will die for nothing. better eat my share first.
this is now a meat-related food porn thread
fuck your virtue signaling OP
>>768914069
Why would I go vegan when I don't have molars. I have carnasial teeth.
>>768914069
so by the same logic, those 56,000,000,000 animals left unfarmed would give birth to plenty of offspring if left unchecked... leading to possible ecosystem collapse, no profit in keeping livestock, and animals will have to be murdered with no purpose to keep the populations in control.
Go Vegan, Commit Genocide.
>>768914419
>>768914539
anyone else hungry?
>>768914069
I don't have to imagine the scale of said horror, as you spelled it out for me. 56 billion. It's a completely plausible number, seeing as there's 7+ billion people on theis planet, there are in fact a lot of mouths to feed, and a lot of them in fact enjoy animal products.
If you're trying gvto convince people to change their perspective, at least use a plausible argument, dicktits
>>768914739
>>768914722
Sound Delicious, I'll take 2
>>768914419
I mean, it really feels bad thinking about the feelings of the animals, but the human body isn’t built to run on vegetables only. Plus, the real problem it’s the capitalist consumption and waste of food, we produce way more for what we eat.
>>768914739
>>768914539
>>768914419
>>768914409
I like a good steak, don't you boys?
>>768914793
>>768914069
Oh look, a soy boi
>>768914722
I agree, tomatoes are fucking cruel.
>>768914809
>feelings of animals
Animals don't really have feelings.
mmmm...
suffering...
>>768914722
>pain, abuse, suffering, cruelty, mutilation, slaughter, neglect
Pretty sure I've watched porn with these exact same tags.
>>768914979
hi-rez suffering!
>>768914793
>using herbs and vegetables to compliment meats, using spices for flavor
Its almost like humans are omnivorous
Even the British like suffering!
>>768914944
how can we know? They brains can work almost the same as outs. But!
>plants might feel too
>>768914069
lab grown meat is coming, don't worry vegan bros.
BY BEING TASTY THEY ARE ENSURING THE CONTINUED SURVIVAL.
>>768914722
Cruelty is delicious.
>>768914069
The hardest part of becoming vegan is telling your parents that you're gay.
>>768914069
>>768914069
a lot more animals are killed by other animals every year.
Life on earth is brutal. What's your point?
>>768914627
I lost
>>768914944
Animals couldn't learn without positive/negative reinforcement AKA feelings.
>>768915154
Fish doesn't count, pussy
>>768914793
>Implying that a good cook can’t retain the flavor of the meat, while layering it with herbs and spices.
Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.
>>768914069
Nah I'm good with keto.
>>768915343
WOW BY THAT LOGIC COMPUTERS HAVE FEELING.
>>768914069
Cows weren't killed in the process of milking. Shaving the wool doesn't either. If you wanna make this statement, say go vegetarian instead of go vegan
Also, nice b8
>>768914069
Saturated fat is necessary.
>>768914793
>never tried garlic shrimp/fish, lemon pepper chicken, a good ol’ steak, any type of stir fry
Good golly
>>768915310
Honestly, wild animals hunted with firearms are given the most humane and pleasurable life possible for a wild animal without the brutal death by disease or mutilation by another predator.
>>768914069
Relative to the scale of the universe, not a single one of those 56,000,000,000 animals are relevant.
>>768915515
Anon speaks truth
>>768915224
This image makes me sad. Not because I am vegan or give a shit about eating meat, but because there is shitty lettuce and a pointless bun where more meat could be.
>>768915481
Their positive/negative reinforcement systems are the same as ours. Their nerves are the same as ours.
>>768914793
>tries to make vegan food taste like meat and fails.
>needs to flavor vegetables.
>>768914793
>if you liek meat you shouldn’t use seasonings or spices in your food
Spoken like a true faggot
>>768914069
Nope. I like vegies but I lile meat too
>>768915620
Well then, they should be able to prevent themselves from being fucking eaten, but I haven’t seen any cows with guns.
>>768915620
you claim to have compassion yet here you are on /b/ amidst gore threads and assorted degeneracy. maybe if you werent a terrible person to begin with you wouldnt have to try and save yourself by being nice to animals
>>768915924
That looks fucking delicious. Brb I’m gonna go cook some bacon.
i fucking love lobster
the taste
the texture
the squealing when its boiled alive
>>768914069
hi discord queers. is mari still there?
>>768916086
>vegan jerky
>vegan jerk
fixed that for ya
>>768914793
Rate my oc, guys
>>768916228
>>768916235
Made a quick fix.
>>768915706
The part of our brain that allows us to create guns isn't the part of our brain that causes us to feel pain.
The more primative parts of our brain are faster, so if someone you know jumps out at you, your reptile brain causes you to freak out, then your human brain allows you to rationalize the situation and calm down. A reptile would just freak out.
>>768915780
>>768915924
I'm no vegan, but damn, those look like a heart attack
>>768914069
The post just reinforces eating meat. the Universe is so large, so vast, what nothing matters in the grand scale of it all. Eat the meat, drink that soda, have another burger. You only get to live for a minuet flash of time then it is gone. Everyone and everything is all equally doomed in the end, we are all equally worthless. The animals are worthless and the ball of dirt we are on is worthless. Our brains want to try to find a solution to a problem that can't be solved. Enjoy your time in the sun and move on.
>>768916511
Does that mean it's okay for me to rape and murder too?
>>768914069
aside from things that are meant by nature to be consumed, like fruit, milk, and honey. it's all just an arbitrary line of what is and is not an edible form of life.
ITT: Triggered fatfucks circle jerking to justify their shitty dietary choices
>>768916647
The vegans?
Listen up faggots. This is my theory. Vegans are waste compassion on animals, and save up all their energy to hate humanity more strongly.
>>768916647
>fatfucks
>eating fattening carbs instead of eating fat to be fit
Enjoy diabetes
>>768914069
>went vegan
>no point of "farming" animals
>said animals ceased to exist
>0 cows
>0 chickens
>0 deaths
>nothing
>at least there is black cock to make me feel better
>>768914069
>Trying to imagine the scale of that horror is like trying to imagine the scale of the universe
That's such a weird analogy. Also, 56,000,000,000 isn't really an unimaginably high number. It's pretty big, yes. But nothing compared to the quasi-infinity of the universe.
>>768916911
If you had the choice of two perfectly identical pieces of meat: one harvested from an animal, and the other synthesized with no reliance on live stock. Which would you choose?
>>768914491
Eat me.
so i heard wagyu beef comes from super happy cows or something
>>768914739
>using fire
you tasteless peasant... why you kill all the taste?
>Avocado plantations are used to launder money for the mexican drug cartels. (google "blood guacamole")
>Quinoa now more expensive to buy than mcdonalds for the people who farm it, thanks to it's increased popularity in the west
>Almonds take thousands of litres of water for individual plants to grow and are almost single-handedly the cause of the california drought.
>93-96% of vegetarians and vegans are deficient in vitamin b-12, primarily acquired from eating meat. Vitamin b-12 is primarily used by the body to manufacture blood and having a deficiency in it raises the chance of heart problems to similar levels of that of obese people
>Unfermented soy, a staple in vegan diets, contains anti-nutrients that cause hormonal imbalances in both men and women. Small intake of unfermented soy generally won't cause problems, but larger amounts will.
The scientifically proven best diet is a Mediterranean diet.
>The principal aspects of this diet include proportionally high consumption of olive oil, legumes, unrefined cereals, fruits, and vegetables, moderate to high consumption of fish, moderate consumption of dairy products (mostly as cheese and yogurt), moderate wine consumption, and low consumption of non-fish meat products.
>>768914069
I already am for crohn's disease, couldn't give less of a fuck about the animals. It was way easier than I thought. They have a tasty replacement for everything and I already liked veggies. Also my illness is almost completely reversed.
>>768914069
They only problem that I have with the meat industry in the US is that we don't torture our animals enough. The Chinese have it right: things that were tortured to death just taste better.
>>768917111
The latter because no animal hurting. I really wish we used out scientific knowledge to work toward this instead of allowing faggots to have sex changes. But yeah, we could call it Happy Meat.
>>768917181
fat fucking fatty cows
>>768914069
>>768914722
Cry me a river faggot, don't care
>>768914069
if cunts like you wouldn't exist, perhaps a lot more people would come to the same conclusion by thinking for themselves and decide what THEY want not what you want.
>>768914069
>56 billion
Why do people that have been vegan for over 15 years look like meth addicts?
>>768916608
Sure, while I don't agree with your actions. You can choose to do whatever you want with the time that you have inherited from your ancestors; though, in doing so, you will hurt your little amount of time on this earth. You will likely be caught and taken to jail where you won't get to enjoy your life.
Everyone has a choice, even if it is a choice that has consequences due to the constructs of our race as humans, and the social constructs in humans that allow us to connect through language. The race as we are, is interesting and presents many patterns that our brains organize into shapes and symbols that it stores for later us. The main objective of the human mind in nature is to survive, to eat and learn. To take in information that allows us to have better food, clean water, fire, shelter, ect. The world in witch we live has been built by those who came before, we no longer live in the environment that we evolved in; our minds and bodies have adapted to reflect that.
All of this means nothing, ourselves and everything is worthless still in the universe. The worth we give to things are things that help us survive, money, resources, wants & needs. It will all end when our sun burns up our planet, if we leave our planet, the universe, will too, have time that is to pass and fade back into the oblivion from where it came. When that happens we will have been dead long ago, have fun.
Montreal meat
>>768917363
Both are being worked on simultaneously.
Later on today, i'm going to eat a fucking pastie, and most likely a bag of beef jerky.
There's nothing you can do to change my mind
>>768917657
i would fuck these sandwiches
>>768914419
this the fedora is casual dining
>>768917786
hnnggg, thats the best looking smoked beef I have ever seen.
>>768914069
The less meat you eat, the more available for me.
mmm, bacon
>>768914069
>56,000,000,000 animals killed
>7,000,000,000 humans
I eat far more than 8 animals a years. That's incredibly easy to imagine.
>>768917977
That's not bacon, that's a dead pig.
Pic related is bacon. (english bacon master race)
>>768916235
ACCURATE
>>768914979
i dont think i could ever eat fois gras
those poor ducks :(
>>768914069
I like my meat kosher so I know the animal suffered while it had it's throat cut by a Rabbi.
>>768915481
Now you're starting to get it.
>>768916235
this/10
>>768918084
and bacon is made from...?
>>768918308
KEK
>>768918384
niggers!
>>768918384
cutting pieces from a dead pig. but if you order bacon at a restaurant they won't just slam a fucking pig corpse on your table will they?
>>768914069
>Muh 56 gorillion
>>768918568
>Muh 6 million
>>768918538
no, it's easier to eat nice little strips that you didn't have to kill yourself, and you don't have to think about a pig getting slaughtered every time
>>768918198
theres a documentary on the tubes where they go to France and watch the process. the geese dont seem too upset.
mmm, more meat for us guyz
>>768917111
im hoping that in the future they'll just grow the muscle on its own so it's never part of a cow that suffers
All of the animals that are killed and eaten owe the meat industry for their lives in the first place. Would they have been born if they werent bred to be eaten? No.
>>768917316
>The scientifically proven best diet is a Mediterranean diet.
>>The principal aspects of this diet include proportionally high consumption of olive oil, legumes, unrefined cereals, fruits, and vegetables, moderate to high consumption of fish, moderate consumption of dairy products (mostly as cheese and yogurt), moderate wine consumption, and low consumption of non-fish meat products.
I'm actually in the process of learning how to survive on the mediterranean diet
>>768918750
exactly, therefore seeing a pig corpse is not equal to seeing delicious bacon on your plate
>>768918792
the one i saw the geese looked miserable and i felt terrible
>>768918880
>my ancestors are smiling on me, imperials. Can you say the same?
>>768919067
so if you'd been born and bred into a factory and lived in a cage for 15 years and killed humanely to be eaten, you'd be thankful for that life?
>>768919192
go to France then? idc
im just here to rustle OP's jimmies with delicious meats
>>768919067
yeah but that just means it a whole new level of nightmare fuel and cruelty. humans are actually manufacturing pain and suffering by design whew lad
>>768919089
Not a hunter are you? When I go out with the family we are happy as fuck to have something to bring home be it fish or deer, very rare wild boar. The image of meat, meat, meat dances inside of my head, the thoughts of the ways to, cut and prepare, cook it and to enjoy it. Have you never felt the thrill of catching a big fish, to pull it from the water and to hunger for what it represents? A pig corpse means sustenance, you just have to know how to butcher it and ready it to be eaten. There is nothing sad about old shells on the beach, just as there are no sad things to go with old bones. They are just a leftover of a thing that once was that will break down into another thing to feed another. The cycle continues my friend.
Just as your bones will feed those to come, so will mine.
didn't go vegan by choice, had engineering degree to do, couldn't cook meat for shit so I ate out of canned foods, unwashed veges and fruits, pasta, after 2 years I started losing my hair, hair got thinners and fell out, muscles died, it was horrifying
not worth it, eat meat, my niggers
>>768919588
not to mention scars and wounds didn't go away as fast as when I used to eat meat
I watched 10 cows die this week and will be eating one of them by this time next week. Ask me anything.
>>768917523
>All of this means nothing
Jesus it's like you took the 11th grade and condensed it into a paragraph.
What a faggot
>>768919758
cats are friends not food.
They eat the fuckers who eat what we eat.
>implying there's any fucking meat on them anyway
>>768914069
I actually did, for a year. Fucking horrible, I won't go back. When you find out that most of the statistics are bullshit and that humans were made to be omnivores, the appeal of going vegan goes away. I did switch to pescetarian for healthier skin and hair, but it's not for any "ethical" reason. Plants are living beings too, unless you want to starve to death, something has to die.
Suffering never tasted this good
no
>>768919730
>>768919623
>>768919577
>>768919558
>>768919536
Meat, when this meat is not eaten often in the culture of the north Americans, it is just meat. Just as humans are also made of meat. Dogs are tools used by man, sometimes we eat our tools. To some, companions, though they'd eat another dog. Dogs where eaten often in Europe pre1600's, in Germany until the 1800's. That's where the name Hot Dog comes from, the fear of German butchers from Frankfurt using dog meat in their "dogs"
>>768919856
yep.
If you want to live without hurting anything, buy one of those bang tubes you are probably adverse to existing and point it above your ear and push the shooty button and decay and become a plant and get mowed down by a hung over undertaker and die countless deaths and get eaten by a bug and work your way back up the food chain.
>you came all this way just to turn out a pussy
>try again fag
>>768919585
Nah i'm no hunter, i live in northern england right near a crowded downtown area
>>768914069
That's 7.36 animals per person. So a tuna, a cow, and like five chickens.
>>768919588
Sounds like you avoided protein like the plague. Probably would have been fine if you'd just added beans or quinoa and got enough protein, and supplemented b12
>>768920064
>English
I found the problem.
>>768920178
What problem exactly?
>>768919758
I'd gladly do the same to the chineese autist who did this to a cat - he deserves it
Vegans. Not even once.
>>768920206
>I'm not the guy you were responding to btw
You play devil's advocate for no apparent reason and come off as a weak individual to Americans.
>>768919778
What are you implying?
There is no meaning, but only the meaning we as humans give to things, anything. We have a choice, our mind finds the beauty in the world, that is the beauty of it all.
Appreciation of the world comes from within, though it has no meaning.
Do you understand?
>>768917523
Ok, I guess I'll only rape or murder when I can get away with it. Thanks.
>>768919991
that actually looks like a fun job to do
im vegan exept for chickens and eggs
fuck those little assholes chickens are douches
also people don't seem to understand that crops are more resource intensive and destructive to the environment than animal agriculture
be glad you have the privilege to be vegan. we cant sustain everyone doing it
>>768920312
>There is no meaning, except there is meaning
That's what you just said.
You can't say
>There is no abstract human idea
>except abstract human idea
Idjit
>>768914069
In order for one thing to live, another must die. Even if you don't eat a dead animal, you eat the byproduct of death when you eat plants.
>>768914627
Oreos aren't vegan br0
>>768920334
That's rekt if I've ever seen it.
>>768920498
Chickens are indeed douchebags.
You can take a chicken's egg, and hold it in front of it and it will attack it.
>>768920498
majority of crops are grown to feed cattle. Less people eating meat means more crops for human consumption. Try again
>>768919991
if they're trying to kill them by throwing them on the ground, they are horrible at it
>>768920562
Sugar
Unbleached enriched flour (wheat flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine mono-nitrate (vitamin B1), riboflavin (vitamin B2), folic acid)
High oleic canola oil and/or palm oil and/or canola oil
Cocoa (processed with alkali)
High fructose corn syrup
Leavening agent (baking soda and/or calcium phosphate)
Corn starch
Salt
Soy lecithin
Vanillin (artificial flavor)
Chocolate
whats in them that comes from an animal
>>768920675
I know. That's just needlessly cruel.
>>768920654
i dont have a dog in this fight in vegan anyway
and the crops we feed to animals use techniques that would appall people if we did it for humans
i would go vegan but i have one argument.
if eating amanals is bad, why'd they make em taste so good?
question for an vegans in here
what gives a texture like biting in to meat?
i find mushrooms are close but i wana know if there something closer
>>768920510
From the view of something as large as the universe it has little meaning at all.
If you reduce it down to human size things have meaning day to day, just as I have to eat or take a shit my body requires those things to continue.
Though, as a conscious force within my head, and removing myself from human needs, I can perceive the abstract concepts of the world. As such our planet is a grain of sand, less than that.
Meaning can be had to things of this world by our minds, that does not mean that they are worth anything at all on the large scale. Just because I think there should be more of this or that, or people should act one way on this world an not another means nothing, only the meaning I, and if I convince someone else, the meaning they give to it. On the small human scale.
>>768920881
You trying to turn this into a religion thread?
>>768920528
yeet
>>768920938
Lips around flaccid penis is a close second to a juicy steak. Just you can't bite it.
They like it, it's not dissimilar to smelling delicious filet and not being allowed to eat it because of an overactive sense of empathy for only things that move around like they do and not other forms of life.
>>768917316
This. It takes over a gallon of water for a single almond. If we didn't give water away for free to fucking farmers maybe they'd grow useful crops instead of fucking tree nuts.
>>768920654
The crops that we grow for animal consumption are just that, for their consumption. It takes considerable effort to make those things into something humans can eat.
>>768920981
You are the universe giving meaning to it's self.
It doesn't matter how small -you- perceive it to be.
You edgy faggot you.
>>768920694
they come in contact with milk during production
>>768921058
lol a i cant bite a penis and its still meat
the joke falls a bit flat
>>768920789
True, crops grown for cattle would be replaced with different crops for humans for the most part, but would still be far more sustainable then the meat industry in it's current form.
Also the techniques used on meat would appall people if they bothered to open their eyes to it.
>>768921132
all things come in contact with some animal products in production even crops straight out of the field
is there somewhere i can find the amount?
>>768920694
produced in a facility and on a line that also processes eggs, milk, tree nuts.
>>768920981
i'm
>>768921131
You're overthinking this life thing.
It's clearly to be enjoyed. So many people make it much harder than it has to be. It's clearly intended to be enjoyed otherwise there would be no joy.
Find something you like and do it. Make sure it will help everyone worth helping.
If you don't have that instinct you've already failed.
It's fun to survive, that's our job.
idjit.
>>768921193
no, just stop caring like a normal person
>>768921156
as i said i only raise and eat my own chickens i stopped eating meat first with pork cause i have a love for pigs there to cute
i had a suggestion to use my own milk when i was pregnant but that seemed odd to me
>>768921133
Yeah re reading it I kind of fucked that one up.
Forgive me I'm drinking.
>>768921273
i was enjoying the conversation and wanted information sorry your taking this so personal
>>768921112
it takes considerable effort and resources to produce steaks... more than replacing those crops with something edible for humans.
>>768921131
Hey, that's actually a pretty good point. Might give that some thought. Though I see little meaning, everything is limited. The universe is just a counting down and all of this strife and hardship are just the happenings on one world.
>>768920938
try seitan
>>768921324
it would be impossible
>>768921382
ill look in to it but i was hoping for somthing more simplistic like a steamed root or somthing
but thanks for the info ill try it
Soooo 8 per human? A year? So less than one animal a month per human? That's pretty easy to imagine and doesn't seem so bad.
>>768921417
why would it be impossible?
we keep numbers of led in makeup and its from a similar thing someone must of crunched the numbers
>>768921132
if that were true then milk would be listed on an allergen on the package
>>768921526
It literally says cross contact with milk on the Oreo website. Google it fag.
>>768914069
Took me like two weeks before I said
>fuck this, I need a burger
>>768921507
because they're produced in numerous facilities, each of which produces numerous products. Every batch would be exposed to different things
>>768921526
you really think they would print anything beyond the bare minimum required by the FDA?
>>768921331
Steaks? Cows are not a good thing for man to produce, we should grow and make things that can be produced annually. Chickens, and fish are good for that. Paper is a waste when we can produce it from other sources. Though I understand timber is still needed for building in most parts of the world.
>>768921611
hmm i see the issue but there probably a way to figure out max possible contamination
>>768921307
ill say somthing else simular at some point and you can try again
>>768921279
wait can a vegan drink human milk?
>>768921021
no im just saying animinals taste good : )
>>768921748
This is something I too am curious about
>>768921809
>>768921748
as i said it was my own milk and i found the idea gross so i didnt
>>768921748
yeah, perfectly natural for a mom to breastfeed their human child, no reasonable vegan would have a problem with that
>>768921664
The system that would need to be built to monitor that would be almost impossible to build and if it could be done the amount of money it would take to do so would be staggering, let alone the cost to run it annually and all the workers that need to be paid and given whatever else they need. Bad idea, would cost to much to make real, and it it was made the company would loophole it just like the FDA or just provide bare minimum required info. This world is a dirty place, everything is contaminated with something. Take the word "pure" out of your mind, you will have much less stress.
>>768914419
Disgusti
>>768921886
the question was more of an adult doing it or using it for cooking
>>768921748
No, that's an animal product. Human milk is milk all the safe, what are alternatives to give an infant?
>>768921584
fair. thanks fag
>>768921356
That's correct.
To deny life elsewhere is ignorant.
To say we're the only or the oldest is ignorant.
Multiple species all experiencing the same universe on different wavelengths, remember your sight is limited to only a tiny fraction of what is truly around you.
There could be millions of life forms around us we can't perceive in any way.
We're living in some Rick and Morty shit tbh.
>>768921893
i never said pure or even close i asked for an amount i expected a parts per millionth
easiest would be to get a bunch of packets and find a way to test how much is in each one (and that may not be possible would need to ask a chemist )
now this is the part where I go:
"no eating dogs are disgusting. those people are barbarians"
then you go:
"wellllllllllll what's the difference between dogs and cows HMMMMMMMMMMM?!?!?!!??!"
then I go:
"well dogs are loyal and are companions whereas cows are meat to consume"
then you go:
"OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH YOU'RE SO WRONG. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DOG AND A COW THEY ARE BOTH ANIMALS WITH FEELING........"
then I start to masturbate while eating a McDonalds cheeseburger.
>>768922131
accurate
>>768921944
breastfeeding is natural, there's no vegan reason to be opposed to it
>>768922131
ive seen pics of this guy...thing before. wtf is wrong with him? some genetic disease?
>>768914069
> Bringing vhavanism to 4chan kek
> Tfw the 21th century will be remembered as the century of the biggest slaughter of life in history
> Tfw when the belief that human is above every other animal has christianism roots in religious people like in atheist people
> "God made humans look like him" explains the roots of the belief Human > other animals
> "God has BUILT the world with his own hands" explains how humans think they have to bend Nature to their will
Anyway, vegan here, the best strategy OP is not to convince someone woth arguments, they will never really think about the possibilities and stick to their habits no mattter the cost, just like a child pretends not to hae been seen doing a mistake. I find that the best strategy is just not talking about it, and just being vegan. It is when people see me never eating meat that they ask me if I am vegan, and of all those people who actually asked this question at work (I work in a big company and we have a big cantine), probably half of them are now vegetarian.
>>768914069
why don't Vegans care about the plants they kill?? Plants are alive just like animals why is the death of one more upsetting to vegans than the other
>>768922131
dogs and cows and everything else are a means to survival and for food, meat. Dose not matter where they are from.
>>768922234
sure, give your child milk
>>768922502
That's just what I've been thinking for years. Something must die for us to live. I see no vegans eating soil, and if they did the microbial life forms might die in the process.
>>768922502
Here we are again... sigh.
Plants don't have a central nervous system, and do not feel pain.
>>768922234
Eating other animals is natural, too
>>768914069
No thanks, further evolved aliens would probably consider us cattle too
Animals born in captivity are either food, labour or useless if neither of those
>>768922502
animals have a brain and nervous system, and a capacity to suffer.
>>BUT PLANTS FEEEEEL TOOO SCIENCE SAID SO
No, they don't. At best some plants can react to stimuli, but that's far from anything resembling a sensation of pain. Only fake clickbait bullshit will supports plants feeling pain.
>>768922642
sure, breast milk from the mother, not something from a cow that was made for a baby calf
>>768922502
/thread
>>768914627
Dead ass could've just used almond milk.
>>768914398
i like this guy, he's going places!
>>768922855
A mother does not have to give an infant anything, that is her milk, her body, and she decides what to do with it.
>>768922787
Okay, go bite into a raw steak if it's so natural.
>>BUT WE CAN COOK IT
Okay, what part of pumping animals full of growth hormones and excessive antibiotics, and raising them in cramped factories is natural? You want to make that argument, then make it from your cabin in the woods, where you only eat what you catch
>>768914491
i eat women out all the time.
>>768914722
That's a good looking burger, you gonna eat that? Would be a shame to let all that hard work got to waste, then that animal that was breed to be eaten would die for nothing.
>>768914722
>>768915166
They lack human levels conciousness and are not able to process feelings, to them a feeling would just be a physical experience and impulse to action like hunger
The closest animals to achieving that are probably apes who have rare documented occurrances of a handfull of 80+ IQ apes (theyre rare tho) but we dont eat them
Plants also dont feel, they respond to their surroundings and have preference in the sense that you cant grow a cucumber on a dry patch of desert sand
Go back to school and tell your biology teacher he did a terrible job
>>768922961
sure. but if she wants to breastfeed, there is no reason to consider that choice non vegan
>>768923014
Human meat is meat just the same. The islanders called it the "long pig"
>>768920075
Did it take 2 at a time?
Let me spit out the biggest hypocrisy here. If any of you meat eater, when ordering a burger, had to see the whole process of the pig or the cow shouting for its life, contracting every single muscle of the body while being grabbed because of the fear of dying, being put to death, eviscerated, emptying the blood off the body, throwing away the organs, [...] and finally grabbing that piece of meat to cook and make the final burger, 99% of the people here would just do like me: choose the chips, watch the guy taking the potato off the ground and cook it.
If you eat meat, it is because some people are paid to kill in your name meat that you would never have the gut to kill yourself. Stop whining, stop pretending you're the strongest, let that thought inside your mind for real, and see that I am correct.
>>768923071
What in the fuck are you talking about, you can't feed a vegan child milk.
>>768915460
That's so cute I almost don't wanna eat it.
>>768914069
Go fuck yourself.
>>768922992
>its only natural if we eat it raw
says who? are clothes only natural if we make them from woven leaves and raw flax fiber?
Cooking food doesn't stand up to your argument because your argument isn't logical.
>>768922992
>pumping animals full of growth hormones and excessive antibiotics, and raising them in cramped factories
Third world is a poor example.
>>768923139
The world does not matter, your like does not matter, my life does not matter and the lives of everything else on this plant does not matter. Get off the high horse, we are all equally worthless.
>>768914069
But if these animals weren't farmed they never would have had life in the first place.
By eating meat we are giving animals a life (albeit a truncated one) that they never would have had without us breeding them for their meat.
>>768923151
It needs a tiny red liquid packet inside so when you cut into it, it bleeds. Maybe ketchup.
>>768914069
Great. Now that you have the size of our galaxy(thats what is i the fucking pic not our universe) you can understand how fucking unimportant a live is...even the whole earth is meaningless...it dorsnt matter a single life is worth nothing
>>768923139
>more than 1% of the population hunt and farm for themselves
>>768923217
The whole chain of evens was set into motion by us. Without humans the population of cows on this planet would not be what it is, there are two many. We'd just have to kill 70% of them anyway to bring the number back into proportion.
>>768922992
Fire is natural. We just happen to be smart enough to figure out how to use it.
Also I try to buy free range whenever I can, but really is there anything wrong with farming animals in terms of natural law? We continue to survive and reproduce by that industry, so technically any perceptions of wrongdoing are an invention of human empathy. Do food animals deserve empathy? To a degree, yes, but they’d get eaten by something else in any case, so it doesn’t really matter. Life is suffering, there is no avoiding it, and the more you try the worse it makes the inevitable.
>>768923143
im going to assume you're an anti-vegan troll
the difference is a human mother can give consent to giving her milk to a child. most REASONABLE vegans will agree
>>768923214
That argument can be used to kill people. Still you don't do it. Proof that nihilism doesn't make you a murderer
>>768923195
USA is third world?
>>768923242
Dont cut yourself on that edge son
>>768923139
Not a hunter are you? When I go out with the family we are happy as fuck to have something to bring home be it fish or deer, very rare wild boar. The image of meat, meat, meat dances inside of my head, the thoughts of the ways to, cut and prepare, cook it and to enjoy it. Have you never felt the thrill of catching a big fish, to pull it from the water and to hunger for what it represents? A pig corpse means sustenance, you just have to know how to butcher it and ready it to be eaten. There is nothing sad about old shells on the beach, just as there are no sad things to go with old bones. They are just a leftover of a thing that once was that will break down into another thing to feed another. The cycle continues my friend.
Just as your bones will feed those to come, so will mine.
>>768923139
someone post that gif of chicks being shredded, if it hasnt already
i still eat chicken
>>768915050
Kekked audibly
>>768923337
Don't assume anything, being a vegan is a very strict lifestyle.
>>768923337
check your privilege cunt
>>768923176
Yeah, we do a lot of things that aren't natural... including how farm animals are raised, shipped to us, and prepared. But obligate carnivores like cats can eat a steak raw, we can't.
>>768923340
>The post just reinforces eating meat. the Universe is so large, so vast, what nothing matters in the grand scale of it all. Eat the meat, drink that soda, have another burger. You only get to live for a minuet flash of time then it is gone. Everyone and everything is all equally doomed in the end, we are all equally worthless. The animals are worthless and the ball of dirt we are on is worthless. Our brains want to try to find a solution to a problem that can't be solved. Enjoy your time in the sun and move on.
People are worthless.
>>768923408
Hypocrite :) You say yes you pick the burger? I say liar
>>768923452
not sure if triggered or dedicated troll
Thread’s making me hungry lol
>>768923524
What are you even on about? I can't understand you.
>>768923518
Still not answering. Would you murder people? If not, why not? Bring an honest answer and we can have an honest discussion without hiding behind beautiful high school level relativism
>>768919588
not to mention, I was getting sick all the time and started developing allergies and shit
>>768914069
>>768922362
>> Tfw when the belief that human is above every other animal has christianism roots in religious people like in atheist people
no it doesn't. it has roots in reality. i don't see any dolphins contemplating the universe. i don't see any strip malls made by chickens. if you're such a naturalist, then explain to me why you're a vegan.
Live in a house, helped destroy habitat. Live in a city, destroyed habitat. Eat quinoa, contributing to human rights abuses. Ever use cocaine, helped fund terrorists and contributed to human rights abuses. Own anything plastic or driven a car, human rights abuses including near slavery and rape. Using a phone or computer to post, blood minerals, war, child labour, toxic chemical dumping, habitat loss. Go fuck yourself. Only way to bring no harm is to be dead.
>>768914069
So is abortion, killing a shitload of humans every
year. Yet it's fine.
So what's your point?
>>768923524
what
this is probably going to come off as really edgy, but if watching humans get killed doesn't bother me why would animal death bother me
>>768922961
Except her tits will keep swelling and when ignored causes physical pain and sometimes injury so nature obviously disagrees with you
Nature = cold hard logically
>>768923139
>Let me spit out the biggest hypocrisy here. If any of you meat eater, when ordering a burger, had to see the whole process of the pig or the cow shouting for its life, contracting every single muscle of the body while being grabbed because of the fear of dying, being put to death, eviscerated, emptying the blood off the body, throwing away the organs
I heavily oppose jewish and muslim butcher but most butcheries that arent cucked use painless methods of slaughter because it also improves on the meats quality because stress laced meat tastes bad
, [...] and finally grabbing that piece of meat to cook and make the final burger, 99% of the people here would just do like me: choose the chips, watch the guy taking the potato off the ground and cook it.
99% lolwat no the majority would eat their meat, is it that hard to accept that you are overly more sensitive then others that you have to pretend that everyone is like you 'if only exposed to the right scenario'? Lmao what a weakling you are
>If you eat meat, it is because some people are paid to kill in your name meat that you would never have the gut to kill yourself. Stop whining, stop pretending you're the strongest, let that thought inside your mind for real, and see that I am correct.
irrefutable truth
Its more that we dont have to kill them, I work as IT for a cattle food company, I ensure their computers stay up so their food buy and sell orders work properly and they ensure meat is put on the table
If you believe it is desirable to kill your own meat to eat meat you might as well live in a cave again like our Presocietal ancestors
Society is all about splitting up the tasks, including the meat processing among others things, what you suggest (kill your own meat) is against the concept of society itself
>>768923334
Free range doesn't mean much as far as animal well fair in all honesty, other than to just make people feel better about buying it, I use to buy free range too. The excessive level of meat production and the negative impact it has on the environment and our personal health is definitely wrong with it if you want to talk about natural law. The way we are living isn't sustainable... the animals we are killing to eat are, in turn, killing us. Close your eyes and tell yourself you're a realist and it's out of your hands... but every purchase you make is another vote in favor of the current system.
>>768923759
Own a dog, hello puppy mills, inbreeding, diease, death, breeds that live in suffering and die early.
>>768923665
I don’t want to eat people because that shit gives you fucking brain tumors and shit, but I’ve been surprisingly ok with people dying in the past. Not sure if I could pull the trigger, human empathy and whatnot, but I definitely don’t care if people die to my benefit.
>>768922751
Plants do not feel pain in the sense that you and I feel it. But they definitely react and each cell communicates and knows that it's been damaged.
You aren't a moral high roller, you're ignorant.
>>768923340
What are you even on about you fucking autist, there is a small scale and a large scale. We exist in both. The laws of the universe that are unbending and unchanging and the laws of man, created by man for the betterment of the species be it though constructs or evolution. Just because someone can kill and that murder can have a repercussion does not give the death any more meaning. People and things die all the time and none of it matters.
>>768923858
Plants feel distress, pain.
>>768921864
Can we see your boobs?
>>768914419
Nice weave. That bacon is half as greasy and twice as appetizing as anything on a black girl's head.
>>768923858
Consider the following animals have died slow deaths from starvation due to havitat loss for farming, especially soy in the rainforest. Do you eat soy?
>>768914491
As a submissive vorearephile, I've not only accepted but fantasized being lower on the food chain, while eating creatures lower than me.
>>768923665
I don't understand what your trying to ask of me.
Killing humans have repercussions in our society. Could I kill and would I kill are very different. Humans are good at bending the world to their will and doing what they do best, surviving. Everything dies, this world is a small, small piece of universe. It does not matter.
>>768923950
>>768923811
But we’re still surviving and reproducing, so we’re still not doing anything wrong in mother nature’s eye. Don’t forget she’s a savage cunt. The human population is the problem in my opinion, there’s just not enough of any resource to sustain a fully modernized global civilization at this point. Has nothing to do with the food you eat, the power you use at home, or the car you drive, there’s just too many fucking people to make anything that isn’t a miserable half-life work for everyone.
>>768914069
https://youtu.be/si_P8BypaUk?t=36
Mmm... meat...
>>768914793
Unseasoned meat is still amazing.
>>768923665
I kill fish and other animals all the time, so I can eat them for meat. Humans can't kill humans for no reason or the other humans lock you up and it's off to jail.
>>768914793
I'll be fair. I can eat an entire meal of asparagus, broccoli, etc. if it's seasoned right. Heavy, delicious seasonings. Eat enough to stave the hunger for meat, or for that matter, carbs, which I avoid unless I'm starving as I'm a diabetic. Really, meat is a godsend, absorbing far slower than sugars or starches, being filling in place of the rolls and rice and potatoes I skimp on to avoid sugar spikes. Why do you vegans hate diabetic people so much? Fucking sugar Nazis.
>>768924212
This.
If you have to season a filet you're doing it wrong.
A little salt and pepper is great but honestly its just fine without any extra.
>>768924293
this
>>768924117
Climate change? The number of people AND what they do matter. The US could significantly reduce emissions if we just all ate less beef. But hey, it's easier to ignore the problem, we won't live long enough to deal with the reprecussions, future generations can deal.
>>768924091
Simply, all human consumption harms animals and other people. If we did not live where we do there would be more animals, and the same would go for if we didn’t farm.
>>768923323
What is your point you mad rambler
