Alt-right intellectualism is the new counter culture. Our founding fathers are Peterson, Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Paul Joseph Watson, and Sargon. Anyone else I should add to the list?
kyle is our guy
>>768881827
Milo
I wouldn't add any of these people. Some are classical liberals, some are conservatives, others are libertarian. These people all disagree with one another about a ton of shit. They are only united in their opposition to the radical left. If the rad left looses the "alt-right intellectualism" will splinter immediately.
>alt-right
>intellectualism
that's a big word for an eight year-old
>>768881827
>Paul Joseph Watson
PJW's videos are often wrong and easily debunkable. He has the worst research probably on the entire YT platform. He consistently gets extremely important details incorrect, almost to the point where it's embarrassing to watch because he will get basic, common knowledge type things incorrect. He's very much NOT an intellectual so much as he is a format whore.
>>768882280
thats the whole format of right wing youtubers
>>768882052
How's HS anon
>>768882280
True I hate the fucker. I am far more in the Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Dave Rubin, and Sargon camp.
>>768882394
Not really. I would say Vox and other left leaning channels are more guilty of it than right leaning channels. PJW is an exception rather than the rule.
I get it though- it sucks when you preconceived views of the world are shattered.
>>768881983
the kkk and isis disagree with each other on many issues. they should be removed from society.
the people op lists disagree with each other. they should all still be shunned. this is important
>>768882280
Please tell me how great Bernie is.
>>768881827
>PJW
>intellectual
The guy is a literal former toilet scrubber that got famous because of appearing on youtube and infowars, how can you even put him in the same category as JP, BS and DR?
>>768881983
Milo isn't an intellectual either, he's just a massive troll that says a bunch of provocative things for shock value.
>>768882595
i don't see how my worldview are shattered by right wing youtubers since they never actually speak about anything noteworthy subject other than complaning over sjw
>>768882466
>Ben Shapiro
Autistic, believes in jew god
>Jordan Peterson
believes in his silly lobster bullshit but then condemns people who use violence. Foolish, inconsistent, phony man.
>Dave Rubin
Too much smiling. Don't trust him. Definitely has a rape dungeon.
>Sargon
Self-victimizing female
>>768882661
Not an argument
>>768882661
Pretty great
>>768882792
At least Ben Shapiro is honest about believing in a god, Peterson always try to deflect and goes to great length in order to redefine what "truth" is in order to justify his backwards beliefs.
>>768882661
Best america got to offer
>>768882913
>At least Ben Shapiro is honest about believing in a god
That's the issue
>Peterson always try to deflect and goes to great length in order to redefine what "truth" is in order to justify his backwards beliefs.
Sums up Kermit the Fraud pretty well.
>>768882655
This makes no sense? Explain yourself faggot
>>768882765
True but he fits the PJW type person.
>>768882792
>Autistic, believes in jew god
Far more intelligent than you. He would fuck you up in any intellectual conversation.
>believes in his silly lobster bullshit but then condemns people who use violence. Foolish, inconsistent, phony man.
So you are too stupid to get what he is saying. Do you understand evolutionary biology and how it relates to psychology?
>Too much smiling. Don't trust him. Definitely has a rape dungeon.
Trying this hard. So someone who is decent and well rounded challenges your views so you just make up crazy shit to avoid dealing with the fact he is right
>Self-victimizing female
You're just an idiot and I have wasted my time trying to talk to a stupid person
Enjoy Highschool anon
>>768882969
>Kermit the Fraud
I'm new to the internet, apparently. What's this?
Also, your point about the lobster bs is pretty accurate. I feel Peterson is massively inconsistent in his views. He has no problem with objectivism and "naturalistic" truth when it comes to discussing how many genders there are, for example. But once we're talking about god, he starts ranting about "survivalist truth" and tries to bend the entire definition.
>>768883116
>Far more intelligent than you. He would fuck you up in any intellectual conversation.
I actually doubt that.
>So you are too stupid to get what he is saying. Do you understand evolutionary biology and how it relates to psychology?
Yes
>Trying this hard. So someone who is decent and well rounded challenges your views so you just make up crazy shit to avoid dealing with the fact he is right
That one was a joke. People with social skills would pick up on that.
>You're just an idiot and I have wasted my time trying to talk to a stupid person
Cowardly talk
>he thinks being able to btfo sjw trannies and so on are an actual sign of intelligence
oh nononono
>>768883116
>Far more intelligent than you. He would fuck you up in any intellectual conversation.
Not the guy you're responding to, but Ben Shapiro being good at rhetorics doesn't actually make him right, just a good debater. Just see the discussion he had with Sam Harris on faith, Harris runs circles around Shapiro when it comes to applying actual logic.
>>768881827
having fun with your little snowflake identity politics?
such a nice shiny title, sorta like a pronoun. It's how you prefer to be labeled and viewed.
Imagine being conservative in 2018 lol
>>768881827
>alt-right
fuck off huff po
>>768883116
holy cow people like you actually exist?
>he would fuck you up in any intellectual discussion
I want to laugh and sob at the same time
>>768883533
this
being conservative is to subjecting yourself to the jew 100%
>>768883337
True maybe on certain points he is wrong. Look I am an atheist myself so I really am not a huge fan of religious talk. Let's assume he is wrong on religion- that does not negate the rest of his points. Which are valid.
>>768883130
>>768882913
Not sure why people get so up in arms about Peterson. He is a pretty smart guy. I doubt any of you could stack up
Hey guys look at me I think being above average in the IQ specter makes me relevant. Here's a video where I mock stupid people: that's big culture for you.
>>768881827
>Dave Rubin
>Shapiro
>Peterson
>Alt-right
You officially have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>768883559
What you think a random fucker on /b/ posses even a small amount of the ability as a nationally recognized political correspondent, journalist, and lawyer?
I am so often reminded how many autistic retards are actually on this website.
Not alt-right intellectuals they are apolitical.
Fucking eejit
>>768883753
>that does not negate the rest of his points. Which are valid.
Most of his points he basis around religious 'knowledge" so I would say you are incorrect here.
>>768882655
>they should all be shunned because they hurt my feefees
>>768883753
Since all three posts you replied to are mine, I will give you an answer on all three.
>True maybe on certain points he is wrong. Look I am an atheist myself so I really am not a huge fan of religious talk. Let's assume he is wrong on religion- that does not negate the rest of his points.
Obviously, but there are other examples as well. But overall, I like Ben Shapiro.
>Which are valid.
I would say that most of his views on religious freedom actually isn't, because he is biased on the topic.
>Not sure why people get so up in arms about Peterson.
My main issue with Peterson is his inconsistency, lack of actual understanding of evolutionary biology (he's a glorified psychologist with a specialisation in religious violence) and his shifty positions when it comes to justifying faith.
Just listen to the two podcasts he has done with Sam Harris on the last issue, or any actual evolutionary biologists commenting on Peterson's statements for the second one.
>>768883116
>explain yourself f-
two or more people can disagree with each other vastly and both can be wrong and dangerous to civilized society.
it's not that hard a concept to get unless of course you are right leaning.
>>768882949
> best America has to offer
That’s not saying much anon
>>768881827
>Peterson, Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Paul Joseph Watson, and Sargon.
These people are the vegans of Nationalism
Nice b8 m8
>>768881827
Peterson is a classical liberalist, pretty centrist.
Shapiro is a fucking neocon, which is everything the alt right despises.
Dave Rubin is a former the young turks shill, and can obviously not be trusted.
SJW is a conspiracy loony that has trouble with understanding reality.
>>768883946
His economic ones are not. Which is where I like him
Sure his ideas on values are but religious values are no inherently bad. There are benefits there.
For the record I disagree with him about abortion, gar rights, and many other issues.
>>768881827
holy shit imagine unironically following these retards.
>>768884084
>Obviously, but there are other examples as well. But overall, I like Ben Shapiro.
Me too we see eye to eye there
>I would say that most of his views on religious freedom actually isn't, because he is biased on the topic.
Could be but as an atheist I do agree with him on religious freedoms.
>My main issue with Peterson is his inconsistency, lack of actual understanding of evolutionary biology (he's a glorified psychologist with a specialisation in religious violence) and his shifty positions when it comes to justifying faith.
Ya so I dislike his position on religion just like Shapiro. However a lot of his ideas on evolutionary biology are often sound. Some are incorrect for sure but others (I would argue the majority) are scientifically and logically sound. Ideas on inequality and its necessity and also the hierarchy of society are scientific and logical. That and his ideas on psychology are very well articulated.
>>768884389
Quality shoop.
>>768881975
kyle is the absolute boy
>>768881827
or just dont be shitty americans who identify solely by their political standing
>>768882280
>hurr durr PJW isn't always factual
This is ultimately the problem with the left. Too much attention to the facts and not enough attention to general, universal truths.
>>768884124
No.... on every single level no. Disagreeing and discussing allows us to find the truth within a contested idea so disagreement is required to advance.
To create a society of uniform belief is impossible. It simply could not happen. If it did it would be a far more dangerous society. We require differing beliefs and ideas to function and advance properly.
1984 is not an instruction manual bro.
>>768884389
>Idiots guide to understanding Jordan Peterson
>>768884632
My issue with Ben is mostly when he feels that religious freedom should trump other rights, and his inconsistency when ranking what precedence rights have.
Take the cake decoration case, he obviously thinks that if the cake decorator had denied the gay couple service because they were black, then that would have been wrong (he has said this a couple of times). But their right to not be discriminated against does not have precedence when they are gay instead of black. This inconsistency, to me, obviously stems from religious views Shapiro holds.
>However a lot of his ideas on evolutionary biology are often sound
First of all, I want to point out that Peterson often commits a naturalistic fallacy, and asserts that since something (like religion or social hierarchies) has served evolutionary purposes in the past, they can be somehow excused in the present.
Secondly, I actually disagree about him being accurate. Sure, some things are. He was interviewed by Rubin and made a perfectly valid observation about religion-like structures in humans and chimps. Then there's the infamous lobster analogy, which is terrible because not only has he massively misunderstood how the central nervous system actually works, but he commits the fallacy that since some particular social hierarchy served a common ancestors of humans and lobsters, it is somehow still benevolent for humans (despite several hundred million years of separate evolution). A related issue is that he gives the impression of being an evolutionary psychologist, when his specialization is in fact on religion.
Thirdly, I find that he is being disingenuous. He is obviously perfectly able to identify objective truth (i.e. how many genders there are), but when confronted with it, he tries to redefine truth to some other definition where what serves an evolutionary purpose is true. He obviously does this in order to justify his religious views, but it is being inconsistent and quite frankly dishonest.
>>768881827
>Peterson, Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Paul Joseph Watson, and Sargon
A classical liberal, a conservative who despises the alt-right, a homosexual progressive, a faggot and a cuck, fucking repulsive
>>768881827
Alt right is a meme. Those guys are fine as reactionaries, but they're not quite the Christopher Hitchens needed to push reason into the middle class consciousness.
Bill Cooper had the plan figured out years before anybody else, shame he got erased. Mark Passio is someone worth a gander these days if only for his perspective on natural law.
>>768885492
>>768884632
>[...] it is still benevolent
should be
>still existing in humans and maybe even benevolent for them
>>768885514
Classical liberalism is a label that pussy faggots use who are too weak in the knees to openly identify as conservative
>>768885660
True but that's what Peterson calls himself openly in interviews
>>768883880
Yep anons are retarded. Would still take their retardation any day before you and your pseudo intelectualism. Go sperg out on twitter on how white men are master race and women are ruining your video games
>>768885660
Actually, you're wrong classical liberalism are centre-right with very liberal social views, pushing for example secularism and sexual liberation.
Your typical conservatives have strong social conservative views, pushing religious values and sexual modesty.
>>768885660
Conservative is still a dirty word over here in Englandshire after Thatcher. You're also overlooking our tradition of Classical Liberalism, it wasn't always Labour vs. Tories.
>>768884849
>truths are truths even when facts say otherwise
That's religion.
>>768885766
Typically I find that people who refer to themselves as 'classical liberals' think they're some kind of brain geniuses when really there's only a few minor issues that separate them from conservatism. Mostly people who watch a lot of YouTube and heard Ben Shapiro call himself classically liberal and thought "i wanna be like that too!!"
ITT: angry people who blame anything but themselves for their shortcomings and way of the world.
Gosh, it's almost like this is a conservative thre--
>>768885991
Ben Shapiro has always referred to himself as conservative, wtf anon? Also, see >>768885800
I'm a classical liberalist and I believe in things like state-funded universal healthcare and lax immigration laws, things most conservatives like Shapiro would strongly oppose.
>>768885492
>My issue with Ben is mostly when he feels that religious freedom should trump other rights, and his inconsistency when ranking what precedence rights have.
Agreed there. I also have issues with his freedom of speech stance. He seems to define himself as a 1st amendment supporter only when it's other GOP ppl getting censored.
>This inconsistency, to me, obviously stems from religious views Shapiro holds
I see your point but I do also think that business have a right to discriminate. Much as I hate to see it I do not want to grant the government the authority to prevent it.
>has served evolutionary purposes in the past, they can be somehow excused in the present.
I would not only can they be excused but are in fact important to society. I would say it should not be based on birth, gender, race, evt- but instead on skill, ability, and contribution.
>>768881827
None of those people are alt-right. If you can even say such a thing exists.
>>768885996
Anime posters will be the first ones up against the wall.
>>768885991
I watch a lot of Ben Shapiro and will never refer to myself as a classical liberal, I'm pretty much a conservative at this point, you're right it's just some intellectual pretense, the therm is kind of loaded they try to disassociate from the right, when you say you're a conservative or even libertarian people go yeah this guy is on the right, especially overly left wing media who will usually try to spin everything someone they disagree with say, I've heard Ben refer to himself as a classical liberal, as libertarian and as a conservative, he goes from talking about a philosophical concept and saying as a classical liberal these enlightenment values I hold make me think this, talking about abortion and calling himself a conservative, and about gay marriage and calling himself a libertarian, getting state regulation out of the institution of marriage, but yeah people are naive and will desperately try to fit into something without understanding it
>>768882394
If that were the case then you could easily debunk them right?
This is the left can't seem to argue their points and the right wing you tube palform destroys them.
>>768882771
>i don't see how my worldview are shattered by right wing youtubers since they never actually speak about anything noteworthy
thats probably becuase your so set in your worldview you don't want to be educated.
There is no dominant culture for a counter culture to rebel against.
You're just a bunch of sad internet virgins.
>>768882814
neither was what he was responding to.
>>768885785
>Go sperg out on twitter on how white men are master race and women are ruining your video games
I don't use twitter
I do not think there "is" a master race
SJWs are ruining video games not woman
Shapiro is not a pseudo intellectual considering he is very well educated.
>>768882889
is that why he won?
>>768882792
>I'm 12 and i'm edgy
the post.
>>768886116
>I'm a classical liberalist
What the fuck is a classical liberalist, aren't the liberalists classical liberals basically, isn't that the step father's ideology
The real counter-culture is spreading love and affection instead of hate <3 The only thing I want is freedom and love for everyone !
>>768882655
They should be embraced as they systematically dismantle the leftist half thoughts.
>>768886187
First of all, I appreciate you being able to condense my wall of text down to such a short response. Kudos anon, you have an ability I don't.
>I see your point but I do also think that business have a right to discriminate
I do too, or to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what my stance is. But one thing is that I don't see the same race/sexuality distinction. I would be fine denying people service due to political or religious views though, because those are opinions people have (rather than a condition they are born with, such as race or homosexuality).
>I would not only can they be excused but are in fact important to society.
I agree that we should recognize that we have these differences because of our evolutionary past, but I disagree with the sentiment that because they exist, it is futile to go against them. (Note that I'm not saying that you said this, I'm just putting it forth so I can argue against it).
I like Dawkins approach to evolutionary psychology better, in that he believes that since we are aware of the product evolution has ended up with, we can also do something about it.
>I would say it should not be based on birth, gender, race, evt- but instead on skill, ability, and contribution.
I agree entirely with this.
I just want to point out that we should still be aware of differences in sex etc though. We should neither fight it vigorously (like the loony left), nor should we embrace it and excuse it (like the far right). We should provide equal opportunity (not constructed equality like the left wants, but real equal opportunity), and value merits and contributions and skills like you proposed.
>>768881827
All conservatives are flat out retarded. They kick and scream because society evolves. On the bright side, at least they get left behind while the rest of us move on.
>>768883130
Peterson is a target now because he's gotten so popular, that's why the liberal media is attempting to paint him as alt-right. As if the alt-right even is a thing.
>>768883286
>I actually doubt that.
If you've ever seen Shapiro debate you wouldn't think that.
>>768886583
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
Read some Hume.
ya'll mutant faggots
>>768886743
You are an idiot bitching and autistic screeching isn't coming from the right nowadays
>>768883533
don't need to imagine I am one.
I can't believe people aren't in 2018.
They're fine to read or listen to, but if you hold them up as intellectuals you'll eventually be disappointed. All mankind is fallible and unperfected.
Except me, you niggers should all listen to me: traps are fucking gay as shit.
>>768883559
Nice argument.
Why is it leftists can just call people names and never actually debate?
>>768886821
I have and that's a very nice article and I ask again, what is a classical liberalist, not liberal,
>>768883886
There is no alt-right. That's just a boogyman the left has made.
>>768886921
>PJW
>fine to read or listen to
Also, Jordan Peterson, even though I disagree with him on many issues, is by all definitions a true intellectual.
>>768884124
>dangerous to civilized society.
oh you lefties don't even hide it anymore.
>>768882949
> this is what progressive marxists believe.
>>768886858
Both sides are full of autism. All politicians suck. The only good politician is a dead politician.
>>768886384
Culture is so debased now that the quality of argument is increasingly irrelevant.The would be rulers of the world have moved from a Fabian pace to full on barrage of non stop retardation to dissolve society.
>>768884389
you can tell how correct someone is by how quickly and how viciously the left attacks them.
>>768884389
I bet you watch colbert, oliver and Maher ever night.
>>768887038
His bit on modern architecture was spot-on. Most of the rest of his stuff isn't intellectual per se, it's fodder for his ideological followers and trolling the left. These are noble pursuits and I support them.
>>768886730
> I would be fine denying people service due to political or religious views though
Same here but I would see it done to anyone, sexuality and race included. If a business wants to only serve _____ that is their choice. It is a stupid choice and an ethically wrong choice but it remains their choice.
>but I disagree with the sentiment that because they exist, it is futile to go against them
I would state that it could perhaps be futile. Though I remain unconvinced either way. I think we could have equal opportunity (not equal outcome) and more over I believe we should have equal opportunity. But even with equality someone will come out on top. We just need to be aware of this and ensure that those "on top" are there for the right reason (i.e they created something great or advanced the species)
Also keep in mind when Peterson goes into his Lobster thing he is making a certain point. That point is that post-modernists believe that social hierarchies are the result of western culture alone. His mention of the lobsters or chimps is to simply state there is an evolutionary reason for hierarchy and that it is not the result of culture alone.
>>768885514
I didn't know all those were alt-right.
>>768886963
I don't think you have read it, but here's the summary:
Classical liberals believe in civil rights and economic freedom above all.
"Liberals", as in the term used to describe progressive liberals, believe that civil rights by themselves aren't enough and that discriminatory efforts are necessary to undo past injustices that has lead to an inherent class unfairness in the current system. In other words, they do not value civil rights and economic freedom to the same degree as providing equality.
>>768881827
>Jordan Peterson
>alt-right
Not likely, the guy speaks out against ID politics and Marxism, doesn’t mean he’s associated with alt-right. Especially as the alt-right plays as much idpol as the lefttoids
>>768885785
why does it hurt you so much when your false world view is challenged?
>>768885991
that's because you're a tribal person and latch on to what the left du jour outrage is.
>>768885996
Whatever it is you don't seem to be to bright.
>>768886116
>state-funded universal healthcare and lax immigration laws
thats not what classical liberals believe, that's something progressive marxists push.
>alt-right!
>alt-right!
Not everybody is alt-right because you don't like them. There isn't even a consistent workable definition of what the alt-right is. It's become a meaningless slur.
>>768887280
Man I have a bachelor degree in political science, gonna try and get some master in economics but I'm broke as fuck as now, read what I'm writing my dude, I know the difference between classical liberals and progressives, the liberal-IST movement that sprung up around the step father (Sargon) share much of the same values that classical liberals have, so I was asking what the hell is a classical liberal-IST when they're basically classical liberals, individual values, civil rights, somewhat limited government property rights etc. That guy, or could be you wrote that he was a classical liberal-IST so I just thought I'd ask
>>768887144
You didn't address what I said.
James Woods of course.
>>768887097
There is truth to this, all institutionalized hierarchical organizations devolve into oligarchies (iron law of oligarchy) where preserving the self interest of the group is most important, so yeah all state actors are basically crooks
>>768886743
You're in the minority, the world is moving to the right.
>>768887144
That they did, and they did it exceedingly well.
>>768887038
>>768887200
I do like PJW, he's not an intellectual, he's just a youtuber. He's no different than someone like john oliver.
>>768887215
>Also keep in mind when Peterson goes into his Lobster thing he is making a certain point. That point is that post-modernists believe that social hierarchies are the result of western culture alone.
Yes, you are quite right.
>His mention of the lobsters or chimps is to simply state there is an evolutionary reason for hierarchy and that it is not the result of culture alone.
That is true. And for making a point, I guess it is a bit unfair to demand a high level of accuracy when he is casually mentioning this in an interview.
However, he also mentions this in his book (which I regretfully don't remember the title of now), where I would expect a lot higher degree of accuracy from an academic. My impression is that he is deliberately under-communicating societal reasons why people do what they do. Another example is when he mentioned women wearing makeup and high heels and that this signals sexuality to men, which is obviously quite right. But that may not be the only reason why women wear makeup and high heels, there are in many cases social pressure to wear certain types of clothes etc and other factors that go beyond signalling sexuality.
>>768887097
thats' not what you said at first. You whined about conservatives and got called out.
>>768887357
>the guy speaks out against ID politics and Marxism
that's why the regressive left calls him alt-right.
>>768887532
He said classic liberalist, which is a Sargonism. There's some overlap with classical liberalism, and where they differ depends based on Sargon's manic cycle.
>>768887590
I'm not the person you were initially replying to, and I absolutely addressed what you pointed out. You're wasting time trying to converse with the brainwashed instead of further educating yourself and organising with like minded individuals.
>>768881827
dumbfucks carrying water for corporations and the elite
>muh freedoms
idiots
>>768887550
I don't make the distinction between between liberals and liberalists, I apologise if I made such an impression.
>>768887738
He's a conspiracy loonie that has serious issues with reason.
>>768887738
Eh, he's smarter than your average bear. These days that counts as an intellectual.
>>768887836
Sargon is an idiot, I don't know why people pay attention to him. He also started that kekistan shit that lefties like to mock the right with.
If he was as brilliant as everyone says he is then he would know better than to produce such damaged optics.
>>768887866
>muh corporations
>>768887532
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism#Utilitarianism
the D party of this age is not the one greatgrandpappy & gram with the mamie eisenhower hat with the feather,or ike green half jacket , Ds of this age are crooks ,far left crooks
,if the undernet is any accurate predictor,with all the Q stuff that floats up,,they are vile & worse than beasts who kill only to eat,because it is their nature.
every D every candidate Ds put up,vote them down.
msm lies like cops on the take from the capone mob,and worse,all usually left honest citizens be,all had soup & food delivered to unemployment lines. Ds have to hire 47 well paid administrators paid by working stiffs,selling good food,and giving the poor joes nutting but scraps & chicken bones
>>768887875
>He's a conspiracy loonie that has serious issues with reason.
Not really.
>>768887983
Yes, really. He believes Boston Marathon bombing, the London bus bombings and Sandy Hook are false flag operations for fuck's sake.
>conservatism is the new punk rock
So, a bunch of edge lord failures with nothing to contribute to society, barely able to keep themselves fed, making a lot of noise but ultimately having no real impact on their societies / politics. Sounds about right!
>>768887949
He achieved fame quite to his surprise and was therefore unprepared for it. I give him some flexibility because of that. But he does tend to drone on and interpret things he disagrees with disingenuously.
Crowder and Gavin are alright
>>768881827
we all know that this is bullshit most people like the alt right the true counter culture is feminism
>>768881827
>intellectualism
That's how I know you're trollin
>>768888109
>I am on the right wing (more center right) and I am successful
My favorite intellectual is the guy who wrote Ashley's Book of Knots.
>>768881827
>Alt-right intellectualism
lol thanks for the laff anon
>>768884849
>too many facts
Are you retarded?
>>768888109
>ultimately having no real impact on their societies
Yeah right, like it or not these people really did help elect the president of the united states, who would have thought that a bunch of podcasts on the internet and some frogposters on twitter would have more pull than msnbc and cnn combined
>>768888232
So the left is the only intelligent group and the right is made up totally of idiots. That's your view? And you think the right is the party of the stupid?
yall arent punk. I rebel against both of you
>>768888232
>laff
>>768888285
>>768881827
>looking to other people to tell you how to think
hows that snake oil treating you?
>>768888285
>complains about how MSM media are liars and influence people with propaganda
>simultaneously holds the belief that reddit and 4chins managed to meme Trump into precedency despite the swamp's and MSM's combined efforts
>>768888384
And leftists do not do the exact same thing?
What is wrong with seeing what academics and political experts think in order to see if your own ideas are correct? Or should you just come up with shit on your own
>>768888221
I wish I had attention span greater than a gnat so I could remember all the knots, it's an unappreciated skill that'll be worth more than gold after the inevitable apocalypse.
>>768887968
don't kid yourself - they write the laws now via bought-and-paid-for politicians (especially Republicans, who put the interests of shareholders over consumers and workers most of the time) and regulatory capture. They owe allegiance to no country. Just profit.
>>768888384
>"other people can't make me change my mind, no matter how good their arguments are, I am right, I am always right"
Typical leftist detected
>>768888287
The modern conservative movement is a tragedy. There are of course conservative intellectuals, but they are nothing like the high school level edge lords that the alt-right and mainstream conservatives love.
Annoying the generation before you just for the sake of being annoying is exactly what everyone did ever.
We will react just like our parents before us when we went full punk on them. We will let you live in the world you form. Thats punishment enough.
>>768888427
When did I complain, I could not give less of a shit about the MSM, I'm not even American and do not own a television, as someone who's pretty neutral in this I can tell that this seemed like one long LSD trip of an election and alternative media sources- the internet- played a very important role in voter information gathering and preference formation, all voters start at a place of imperfect information and how they collect and aggregate knowledge is of primary importance to their decision, people just lost trust in traditional media sources, is that a good or a bad thing I don't know, but it is true
>>768888495
>alt right
>academia and experts
pick one there bub
>>768887189
You fucking goon, Oliver only comes on once a week. Shows how much you know.
>>768881827
the alt-right are cucks for the elite
>>768888775
The real reason Trump got elected is of course that not even half of registered voters bothered to show up, combined with a couple targeted efforts in tactical states ensuring the electoral vote.
>>768888778
Well what about the normal right wing which is what I was referring too
>>768888967
>not even half of registered voters bothered to show up,
That is also very true, that is because both candidates were incredibly flawed, I don't see how that negates what I said about the people that did decide to show up and how their preference formation worked, but it is true
>>768881827
Alt-right is just another work for Alt-left.
People listed aren't even alt-right.
>>768888287
'the right' does seem to always have a talking point against 'intellectuals' which always annoyed me.
>>768889162
>That is also very true, that is because both candidates were incredibly flawed
While I agree that they were, it's not solely the reason. Voter turnout the last 30 years have steadily declined because most people are complacent regardless of who wins the presidency.
>>768881827
>alt-right
>intellectual
Pick one /b/oris
>>768889122
Polarisation in politics is way out of whack. Trump is a traditional democrat but gets labelled far right. Might as well sit back and chill while you can before the cataclysm that puts it all back in order.
>>768883533
>Imagine
Don't have to. It's like being the one-eyed man in the land of faggots.
the author of pic related has an open arrest warrent in canada germany and london for "hate speech" because of this
>Dave Rubin
>Shapiro
>Peterson
>Sargon
None of these people align themselves with the alt-right. wtf are you even talking about?
>>768885660
>Classical liberalism
I partially identify as that on social views, but not one label fits me. It would be better if you just asked me questions and I gave you truthful answers and left the labels out of it.
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>>768888495
Go back to fucking reddit with spacing like that faggots.
ALT+RIGHT?
ALT+F4 Nigger.
>>768889729
tru dat
>>768881827
how is it counter culture to support the current president?
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>>768889729
Here's a (You)
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>>768888495
There isn't one single correct answer. Politics isn't a math assignment. The fact that you think of these people as teachers checking your work is a pretty damning indictment of yourself.
>>768888619
Maybe if these guys were capable of ANY self evaluation, I'd consider them worth listening to. But they don't, all they ever do is complain and blame anyone else for the problems of the world, without even considering they themselves might not be perfect.
>cringiest thread on 4chan at the moment
>shrek and boomerposting nowhere to be found
>>768889475
The Bret Easton Ellis of our time, I wish him luck.
>>768889978
laziest troll ever
>>768888646
>alt-right
There is no such thing.
>>768888646
>The modern conservative movement is a tragedy.
I actually feel it's the opposite, The modern conservative movement has made massive strides in stopping the march towards insanity.
>>768889252
because most of those "intellectuals" are not.
>>768888109
That's not the comparison he was making but thanks for trying.
>>768888146
so did richard spencer and he's set the right-leaning movement back a few years with his tiki march shit.
>>768890058
>truth is now trolling
eat shit, lib.
>>768887544
it always has been.
>>768887836
Sargon is not pushing for Lax immigration policies.
>>768887970
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism#Utilitarianism
I see nothing that promotes open borders.
>>768890419
>claims to support sanders
>uses lib as an insult
ok
>>768888074
I've never seen that. I have seen him question the corckdile tears of people using those attacks for political reasons.
>>768890217
There is no conservative movement. Conservatives are the silent majority that go to work, ignore the bullshit news, and come home to their families.
>>768888164
Crowder is like a colbert or stewart he's not an intellectual. and gavin is a sideshow.
>>768888778
>alt right
There is no alt-right.
>>768890508
alt-right is the alt-left, dumbass. it's just another word libs used to try to get "violence on the right" in the news.
you took the wrong pill.
>>768890619
>alt-right is the alt-left
are you even trying anymore?
>>768890539
what do you call those politicial parties winning elections in europe then?
>>768890609
sure there is. You know how alternative facts are just lies? well, 'alternative right' is just what normal people call 'wrong'.
U MAD LEFTITS? XD
>>768890539
I'm talking about the US. The terms change when you cross the pond.
>>768890719
shit, meant for >>768890670
Jordan Peterson is not a conservative. Ben Shapiro is just a well educated version of Steven Crowder, he's completely shoved up the asshole of identity politics and conservative ideology to the point of delusion.
>>768884389
>radical trans activists want to annihilate the humble lobster's quest because of their lens of power for everything just like Nietzsche prophesized.
I KNEW IT
>>768890687
No.
It's a made up term that Hillary Clinton pushed back in a speech in August of 2016 when she needed to try and stop trump surge in the polls.
Only people who ever called themselves that were Richard Spencer and a few others.
Now the liberal media and the left paint anyone who's not a progressive marxist as "alt-right" well if we're going by their definition the alt-right is not alternative and is the majority.
That must be why the progressive marxist types are losing their minds so badly.
>>768890693
>angry pic spammer
>>768890661
what do i have to try for? it's just that simple.
>>768890834
nah.
>>768890687
>You know how alternative facts are just lies
No they are actual facts. I prefer inconvenient facts.
>>768890217
They're more like a thalidomide victim trying to plaster all the cracks of a dam that's struggling to contain the tsunami of effluence threatening to drown a nearby town in a biblical flood of shit and piss, rendering the land containing immeasurable souls resting in their pooey grave uninhabitable for at least a thousand years or more.
>>768890766
>conservative ideology to the point of delusion.
That doesn't work that way. You can't be delusional as a conservative. It goes against the very definitions of what delusional and conservatives mean.
>>768890687
There is not. It's a word the left made up to try to smear the right. They do it all the time.
>>768884389
Some angry left-winger actually took the time to make that rather that try and counter his arguments.
>>768890863
great argument.
>>768887159
This is of course why the entire first year of Chapo Trap House is exclusively about how bad Hilary Clinton is.
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>>768890892
> I prefer inconvenient facts.
Like how thousands and thousands more people attended the obama inauguration than trump's, despite Scott Spicer lying about it to the press?
>>768891111
very /r/atheism.
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>>768884738
kyle is an absolute fag
>>768882280
Since when has being dumb and wrong been an obstacle for success with the alt-right crowd? He fucking fits right in.
>>768891065
Is she not that bad?
>>768890970
Ben Shapiro believe we should cut all social programs, since churches and local communities will prop up their poor members. This is delusion, it's just as ridiculous as people who still think communism will be successful.
>>768881827
Shapiro is a jew
and Milo is a Jew
not allowed
>>768891008
Maybe because Professor Clean Your Room doesn't have any actual arguments?
>>768891451
>cut all social programs
Completely agree. I don't know about the church thing, but regular, responsible people will start cleaning their own litterboxes for a change and start taking care of their own.
These programs haven't even been around very long and all they've done is completely destroy the economy and society.
>>768881827
Rolling
>>768891408
Apprently not if how being right is tied to how much the left attacks you
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>>768891585
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/williams-welfare-state/
>>768881827
None of those people are alt right. The fathers are George Rockwell and William Pierce.
>>768888248
My point isn't that there's anything wrong with being factual, just that liberals are too focused on numbers and statistics to notice the bigger picture. Just because the math on something checks out doesn't necessarily mean it's a solution to a complex and ever-changing world
>>768891171
good one
>>768891835
>There is virtually no material poverty in the U.S.
holy shit imagine being dumb enough to believe this. what fucking world do you dipshits live in
Conservatism is like disco in the music world. Only few people give a shit and its just for a good laugh lol there's nothing "edgy" about going to church on sunday, being a racist douchebag, or thinking God will send you to hell if you jack off . The fact you try so hard to call yourselves "the counter culture" makes you try hards lmao
>>768892074
i dunno but im hungry as a mf
not a dollar to spare
>>768891984
Yea...gut feeling is more important than data and statistics. Those pesky facts.
>>768891577
I'd like to see a version of Peterson where his arguments are straight and to the point rather than a word salad where he goes on 10 different rants about separate topics and finally arrives to some vague conclusion like "post-modernism is antithetical to the individual and the hero's journey"
Like what the fuck are you saying dude?
>>768892074
>Hurr, Prof of Econ is retarded
How can you mistake 80% for "everyone". Holy shit the left can't be this fucking dumb. What fucking unicorn ranch do you violent racists live in?
>>768892074
>There is no history of Americans dying on the streets because they could not find food or basic medical assistance.
lmaoooooooo
y'all are fucking retards. truly insane that half of this country votes Republican.
>>768892074
You and your Escalade can go fuck off, Jeremy.
>>768892306
ikr? It happens all the... wait, when did that ever happen?
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>>768881827
anybody who posts in this thread is a brainlet except me
>>768892306
Ironic, because republican voters are always the first ones running to the federal (or state) government for help when it comes to financial aid or medical payments. Happened years ago when my co-workers kid got sick. Still bitches about Obama even after getting aid from the ACA lol.
>>768892455
>health insurance
>not health care
You can unironerallywalk into any hospital in the US and have your life saved for free.
>>768892535
Republicans are shit. Don't know what this has to do with conservatives though.
>>768881827
if those are the founding fathers then this is the most brainlet counter culture of all time
>>768892543
>for free
Except it isn't free
>God Tier
Molyneux
Adams
>Good Tier
Southern
Peterson
Rubin
Milo
>Okay Tier
Sargon
Shapiro
>What the fuck are you doing nigger Tier
Watson
Jones
>>768892747
If you are in poverty or homeless, it's free, and they can not turn you away.
>>768892543
You have be near imminent death (if you have cancer, any other terminal illness, you're fucked) and even than say hello to bankruptcy, debt that you will never be able to get out of. Dential care is also healthcare. Don't have the money to fix that abscessed tooth? Probably gonna die in the land of burgers.
>>768892845
Nigger, did you even read the article? Because you act like you can't.
>>768892585
Conservatism is why the U.S is backwards in many areas and has broken systems. Fuck are you talking about? Lmao
>>768892936
What systems have conservatives set up since the nation's founding?
>>768892923
What about it?
>>768881827
>Our founding fathers are Peterson, Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Paul Joseph Watson, and Sargon
kek
the founding fathers are anonymous and part of the crowd
you just listed a group of opportunists
>>768893006
>read the article?
>what about it?
The hell is wrong with you? Do you act like this at home?
>>768892845
what do you do when your car breaks down and you don't have the cash? i know you'd like to have the government pay for it, but what do you really do?
>>768892845
>Rather be dead than bankrupt
