>2018 >still tippig Why is tipping not abolished yet?
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>2018
>still tippig
Why is tipping not abolished yet?
>>768869086
Looks like 2108 to me
>>768869086
the tipping system is in place to prevent incompetence in the service industry. basically if you're a bad server you won't make enough money to survive and you will have to find a different job. If you are a good server you will make plenty of money.
>>768869580
Isn't that what your manager is for?
>>768869086
Why abolish it? You do not have to if you do not want to man.
>>768869086
>JACOB
i kekd from full heart
>>768869086
In the casino business which is what I am in there is no way in hell the casino would pay me as much money as I am capable of making in tips. If they tried to abolish tips and just pay us minimum wage I would go get a real job in a heart beat and so would everyone else. They would have to hire nothing but fresh off the boat asians who don't speak English to deal table game because those are the only minorities who can do math and table games would become a luxury reserved only for very high limit players. I don't see how that benefits anyone at all. In that situation everyone loses.
>>768869580
>basically if you're a bad server you won't make enough money to survive and you will have to find a different job. If you are a good server you will make plenty of money.
So what purpose does the boss have?
>>768870747
nd get feces in your food
>>768871515
I don't get tipping dealers. Do you deal different cards to tippers?
>>768869086
Because we know you hate it, fuck off retard
>>768871826
You pay AFTER you eat... Did they come to your table and shit down your throat somehow before you could leave?
>>768871933
kek
>>768869360
>>768872052
You never eat more than one time at the same place?
>>768871826
I dont know about you, but I usually pay after I am done eating.
>trickle down economics
>>768869086
this is the biggest way for cash buisnesses to launder cash
>>768869086
Agreed
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k
>>768871933
Nope but people do it. I've made a great living doing this for the last 20 years.
>>768872195
>>768872052
He probably only eat at fast food restaurants.
>>768869086
I'd rather keep tips in place. I work at some rinky dink pizza buffet place on the weekends and I usually get more in tips then what I would get working minimum wage for the same hours. On a good night I can get clear 120 bucks for five hours of work, and normally I get 50-70 a night. If I was working Minimum wage I'd only make 42.50 for five hours of work. And I all I do as a waiter is bring them drinks and bread sticks and occasionally ask if they want to try a pizza. Easy as fuck working there.
>>768869580
Not this fucking cancerous ameritard shit again, get a real job you shitcunts, stop being the nobody between the stove and the dinner table, nigger faggets
>>768869360
kek
but actually totally agree on the tipping
>>768872438
>too cucked to demand more pay than minimum wage and literally fights other waiters for scraps customers leave
Americans truly disgust me with their submissive attitude.
>>768872555
This is exactly how I see it, protest, go on strike cunts, make them cheap cunts pay your worth
tipping is for wageslaves
>>768869086
because retarded normies on facebook fall for propaganda that "waiters dont make enough on their paycheck alone" bs
>>768871933
Karma, toss some their way it may come back to you in the cards
>>768872768
This. Get unionised, and go on strike if your shitty bosses refuse to pay you a liveable wage.
>>768869086
I fucking wish they'd get rid of tipping and make hourly wage mandatory. Doesn't take a lot of skill to carry a plate of food to someones table. And these fucking restaurants that try to force people to pay tips by putting that stupid fucking reminder on the bottom what your percentage of tip for your bill. Like, fuck off. This is why my fiancee and myself almost never dine out anymore (that and the insane prices).
>>768872906
>we don't eat out because poor people disgust us
kek
>>768872222
Preach faggot
>>768872555
>fights other waiters for scraps customers leave
We don't fight others waiters for tips, what kind of restaurant have you been to? And if minimum was actually raised to 15 an hour, they'd probably close down or cut down staff sharply. This isn't a chain restaurant, it's a local business. I doubt it could survive with the amount of staff that we have and how cheap the prices are on the food.
>>768872873
Except that is extremely illegal and a dealer would not risk prison and a permanent ban from every casino just for some scrap money.
>>768872955
Fucking classic
>>768873120
I wonder how Europe does it
>>768869580
lol, that's what firing is for
>>768873120
>We don't fight others waiters for tips
Waiters argue over tips all the time, and they frequently compete about tables.
>And if minimum was actually raised to 15 an hour, they'd probably close down or cut down staff sharply
>I doubt it could survive with the amount of staff that we have and how cheap the prices are on the food.
First of all, you're being brainwashed.
Secondly, you're basically saying that "this business isn't actually viable, so we literally beg customers for handouts in order to make it"
Thirdly, if fucking 10-15-20% "gratitude charges" weren't considered fucking mandatory, you could easily raise the prises of dishes with 20%.
Fourth, you're contributing to a black economy and encouraging that people should pay for services under the table.
>>768873120
you mean only capable, deserving people would have jobs? Is this a problem?
>>768872873
gambler logic
>>768873120
A lot of assumptions made here, if another country is doing it and its working "better" then why not? Anyone who tells you otherwise I bet they haven't crunched the numbers as that's were truth will show who is the real cheap bastard
>>768872768
fucking seriously stop asking us as if we're the rich ones
eat shit, I wanted to treat my girlfriend without fucking up at cooking; I'm paying well over the cost of food and the twenty minutes to make it so eat shit and choke on jizz, if I want to keep my 2$ I'm gonna and you can just clean my fucking taint off with your tongue
I do not understand the tipping culture. It's bullshit, tipping should be reserved for the best of servers
>>768873422
yep
Imagine being so docile and subservient that you actually believe you get MORE money if employers pay you below minimum wage.
>>768873464
not tipping shows dominance too
>>768873120
My city is exactly raising the minimum wage to 15$ before 2019 and if it leads to some fires it leads to some fires
Maybe you shouldn't be a basic bitch who can't earn their own keep. If you weren't a slackoff piece of shit you wouldn't have to be worried about being fired from service where you entail such difficult duties as 'move some plates' and 'go from the kitchen to the table spanning roughly ten to fifteen feet'
I understand you have exacting work and extremely scrutinized duties but maybe if you put some elbow grease into something besides fapping or complaining on social media/Thai ladyboy imageboards, you'd amount to something besides guilty of being on the chopping block once minwage goes up
And it will
>>768873547
if the min wage went up or whatever, I bet waiters would still ask for tips, they're just scabs, leeches, incapable of real work
>>768872052
I like the way you think
>>768873626
They do here in Norway, but most people dont' pay tips, and in the rare occasions they do, it is nowhere in the insane rates they charge in "gratuity" in the US.
I was once literally chased down the street by a waiter in the US because I only paid 10% tip and not the minimum of 15%. How is it even a tip at that point, if it is considered mandatory?
>>768873785
>America
Don't try to use logic on that one, just go to Canada. Most waiters I know who get shit tips usually figure they pissed someone off (which might make them pissed off in turn)
The rest are pajeets who are just happy to get anything but a 0
>>768873605
I'm actually a good worker there, I just need the cash while I'm in college. And while it's feasible for 15 an hour in some places, I don't think my area could support the increase in prices of the food, it's a pretty poor area.
>>768873916
You're not making any sense, anon. Your argument is basically that they can't afford paying more for food, but they can obviously afford paying waiters for their service.
WTF?
Only nigger faggots don't tip servers
>>768874010
fuck tipping, get a real job faggot
>>768874010
Only submissive cucks would enthusiastically pay servers the wage their own bosses are too cheap to pay out.
>>768873464
>
I do not understand the tipping culture. It's bullshit, tipping should be reserved for the best of servers
Are you for or against because I'm against, I think it puts extra survival pressure on servers (staff deceplinary expectation), allows businesses to charge less for food (lower expenses) pay lower wages (more money kept by biz owner) also they come off looking over the top great because of these attributes, doubling the profit there of a traditional fare system
>>768872541
Lmfao stop being the nobody at the table.
>>768873785
One thing is the mandatory "gratuity charges", which is basically just a unregistered and untaxed fee at this point, but what really bugs me with the US is the fucking sales taxes and extra fees that are never included in the price.
No wonder people over there go apeshit when people talk about taxes, because everyone has to manually add taxes and fees so what initially looks like a good bargain ends up costing a shitload.
Tipping is bullshit.
I also think it's bullshit that food service managers can pay them less than minimum wage because society has the option to tip them (not the obligation)
However it's not our job or obligation to play by your employer's rules. Nor is it our obligation to object to how you're paid.
It's a shit-tier deal you accepted out of your own conscious decision.
What kind of system do you live in where you actually have the audacity to maintain dignity and entitlement while literally accepting handouts from strangers?
>>768873605
> Thai ladyboy imageboards
I agree.
>>768869580
No it's in place so restaurants could afford to stay in business during the depression moran.
Why don't other industries have your little genius failsafe aside from. I dunno.. firing?
>>768874276
The problem is that people are duped into believing that they come out on top with a tipping system, because they believe that they earn more that way. In other words, waiters are greedy fucks themselves.
>>768869580
Completely ridiculous argument. It also doesn't hold water because in most parts of the country tipping is now expected. Almost no one tips according to service. Even a complete shit service, most people still earn 10-15% which is complete bullshit. In places like Vegas, the standard is 20% or higher.
It's a dumb system that guilts the customer into paying the wages of servers when the company should be.
Also - fuck waiter. Waiters bitch and moan about their lives and yet you can make 60k a year as a waiter easy. Fuck that. You are an unskilled monkey writing down an order and carrying it to the guys with actual skills. Waiters should make 20K a year and be happy for that.
>>768874422
I'm not sure how tip works in the US, does it count as taxable income?
>>768869580
Then why aren't other jobs this way?
>>768874422
>It's a dumb system that guilts the customer into paying the wages of servers when the company should be.
/thread
>>768873626
I don't think there is anything wrong with this? In fact even if someone was paid well and I had money and I wasn't obligated , if they gave me exceptionally service I would tip the shit out of them because I like the type of human they are and I respect hard workers, not because Im responsible for your wage, sorry but just no.
>>768874010
and only cucked white boys tip servers
>>768874480
Calculation is wrong. Tips shouldn't be based on taxed subtotal.
>>768874497
Would be hilarious if the police officer who just shot the guy who robbed you turned around and demanded 15% gratitude charge, taxes on the bullets and additional service fees.
Genuine question for the creators of these threads . What does the current yeah have to do with this . Stating the year is x and saying why is something still going on is not an argument. If you have a logical argument for something state it and that argument is likely valid regardless of the year
>>768873785
> How is it even a tip at that point, if it is considered mandatory?
Crusader.
>>768874653
>2016+2
>still pretends to be rational on a Taiwanese tapestry discussion forum
>>768874653
it's a reminder that some bullshit thing is still present in the current year.
>>768873916
Well, too bad. If you can't run something sustainable, don't run it. It's not the rest of the world's responsibility to shore up for your inability to properly budget or project for increases in wage/inflation in prices/the usual economic up- and down-turn. These are part of being a business owner. I'm an idealist who wants to live in the mountains and write but it's not like I'm gonna do it without a plan or expecting the internet to fucking crowdfund me.
Life sucks. Wear a helmet-- and don't fucking expect people to tip you to pay for it.
When I worked under-the-table for my buddy doing contract shit, he paid me out of his own wage knowing he'd take less money home for it. He didn't just ask the contractor to pay up extra for help under the table.
>>768874174
I am 100% meritocracy, I believe if you are capable then you can prove that through demonstration and there shouldn't be debate about """whether or not""" you were worth, say, a tip.
So involuntarily, beyond the requirement or the need, I'd tip out of pocket for really good work. I've done; I got a pizza delivery guy who was just fucking boss, had that shit to my place lickety split, hot and juicy like it just came out of the oven. And being a lazy fuck I've had a lot of drivers so I know the good from the bad, and I tip the good. Ten bucks in bill to his pocket, no company, no taxes. I might even throw in the usual 10% tip the debit machine asks for just to double up.
I recognize good work. I think everyone should. That said, it doesn't always have to be monetary.
But it should never be mandatory. Demanding recognition is tantamount to not being able to receive it naturally.
"Please clap," you know?
If employers can't pay employees, maybe they shouldn't have them. It's just that simple.
>>768874784
Than argue why it is BS , year is pointless
>>768874480
This was Jay-Z's receipt for buying his own champagne brand at a ghetto ass club.
>>768874900
Year is far from pointless newfriend, think how advanced we are, this is 2018 we're talking. Meanwhile on the opposite end of the spectrum we still have archaic customs as tipping.
>>768874248
Haha well played
>>768869580
Not at all most of the time tips are split between all of the staff.
>>768869086
I just wanna let you faggots know, I make over
$60,000 a year as a server/bartender. I get to hire the chicks that work at my restaurant. I hire them as young as possible and I fuck the hostesses that are barely 18. I also eat for free... drink for free. Not only at my restaurant but at other local eateries cause they know I'm a manager at my place. I get free booze and food based off of my title. I also have beer, spirits, and wine vendors constantly giving me free alcohol in hopes I'll make the decision to sell their shit. I've drank 4 different 22oz beers today that I didn't pay for. They are samples. I also don't abide by drug tests and regular get high as fuck when I go into work. I make roughly 3-400 in tips. Life is great. Keep being angry /b/. lol
>>768869086
Because of Libfucks.
>>768869086
I'm not really informed on the issue but, if tipping were abolished, wouldn't you have to pay a lot more for food? So it would basically be the same thing except it would be compulsory.
>>768874985
What's with the "newfriend" remark
>>768874989
>most of the time
never
fix'd*
>>768875006
>takes pride in managing another man's business
CUCK
>>768875006
>$60k
lol, I literally make more money than that as a PhD student in Norway.
>>768875048
This. lol. Idiots don't realize they are getting fucked one way or another.
>>768875006
>works in a restaurant
>brags about it on /b/
kek
>>768875006
>is proud of being a slave
>makes a lot of money
>still cries over every non-tipper.
>>768869086
Understand not tipping but did Jackie write that comment? Seems like a jerk thing to do.
>>768874985
As opposed to 2016 or oh heven forbid 2002
>>768874477
Yeah. It's taxable, unless they just pocket the tip. Cash is preferred by most waiters because it isn't in the system and therefore - viola! - you don't pay on it. Legally you are supposed to, but none of the servers I know pay shit on their tips.
>>768875048
>>768875105
If it is mandatory to pay 10% tips, you're still paying for it, geniuses.
>>768874382
Hah so how long does a depression last in Amarylamb, sounds like a false flag to me boys
>>768875006
>60k
wow
>>768875060
If you weren't a new guy you wouldn't be asking questions like these.
>>768874985
You know it's 2018 and we still using something as archaic as new sa an insult
>>768875200
Yeah 60k isn't wealthy tier but he seems to get a lot of QOL perks that raises the value of his position.
>>768875219
Why is that newfriend
>>768869086
>talking about tipping
>america
I mean, you complain about tipping, but isn't playing this retarded social games what america is about? You know, all this kinds of fictional stuff like racism, multiple genders, feminism, retards-toleration, small talks, and so on...
>>768874477
Shut yo mouth!
>>768875073
Theres nothing wrong with helping a multimillionaire determine the future of his investment. The connections I have made alone are priceless. Do you know any secret service members? Do you know any Super Models. How many millionaires do you talk to daily? I also have a dude that is engineering nuclear weapons and working on the god particle. lol. Hows the unemployment line treating you> lol. fucking hilarious.
>>768875144
2002 was 16 years ago, feel old yet?
>>768875159
Must be an american thing, I've never heard of that in my life
It's probably intentional as a stupid way to get slightly higher tips.
>>768875153
So that, and in addition to it going directly to the waiters and not to the business, is the only argument for tip from the waiters' point of view that I can see. From society's point of view, however, it encourages a black economy and allows employers to pay less than minimum wage and encourages customers to pay a secret, non-taxable, service fee. It's pretty silly.
I mean, I'm all for encouraging waiters to do exceptionally good jobs, but all other businesses manages similar encouragement through pay raises and promotions.
>>768875102
That just my job. I also make 20k on art. And another 30-40k on drugs I sell. Dude I feel like Escobar over here. I have stacks of hundreds I literally don't know what do with.
>>768875105
Your understanding of economics is truly staggering. I would be surprised if you aren't making over 100k a year.
You fucking retard.
>>768875301
I'm not saying it is bad, but you act like you're some badass when you make the average income in the USA, assuming that's where you live.
>>768875225
some things are timeless.
>>768875115
on /b/
kek
>>768873848
> just go to Canada he says
> Be in Montreal
> In a fucking hospital visiting an Uncle
> Little kiosk in the corner for coffee and baked goods
> Order a coffee
> Middle aged Asian lady hands me an empty paper cup
> I make my own coffee
> I pay for the coffee
> She makes a scene. In a hospital. Because I didn't tip her.
... She literally handed me a paper cup. I did the rest of the work.
>>768875153
this. also employers take tips into account when paying their employees. people think waiters get paid shit, but that's not true. they get paid a base rate which is lower than the minimum wage, then the employer adds reported tips to that wage and pays the difference up to minimum wage. waiters not getting paid minimum wage is a myth, so when you tip them with cash instead of writing it on the receipt, you are actually allowing them to get paid more than minimum wage.
>>768875326
In many places in the world, servers will chase you down the street if you leave without paying tips. It's not only an American thing, it happens in Europe too, for example in France and Spain.
>>768875285
Because you'd know better.
>>768875376
>That just my job.
And so is me being a PhD student. I could also work as a cashier in the evenings and make $20,000 more.... What kind of argument is that?
Wasn't your entire point that you earned a lot of money as a waiter?
>>768874696
>>768875418
Hahaha, yeah fuck that bitch. Tipping for handing you a paper cup? You have to be making this shit up that is unbelievable but then again people are scum and I could see it happening. I also don't tip much at buffets since I am doing the majority of the work anyway.
>>768875133
I'm not crying about non tippers. Usually I just remember who they are... and when they come in again, i make sure to scratch my asshole with my finger and i rub my ass oil on their straw and dip my finger in their water. So they don't tip but they get some quality ass juice. There zero tip is almost worth it. There are other way I fuck with people but this is the most used.
>>768875326
Out of curiosity what is your country's income tax rate
>>768874480
>Ever giving someone 11.1k in tips
KYS.
>>768875254
>free bar food and some booze
sweet deal man
you could just earn 10k more a year with an education and have potential to do something besides manage service, not to mention room for upward mobility
whatever provides sufficient buoyancy to your watercraft I do suppose.
and all this is assuming he isn't just larping his dream scenario. not saying I wouldn't jump on the position but bragging about it on 4chan seems less like he's proud of where he's at and more like he's probably some grunt-tier worker somewhere and has a pipe dream of hitting management and coasting
As if district management and corporate pushing aren't things, and want someone who seems to be a direct siphon and a philanderer associated with their company
and to further append to that
>implying fucking 18 year olds as an old guy using position to manipulate
>not getting BTFO by social justice
>>768875348
It's a ridiculous system. Places like California require minimum wage + tips (which is why waiters/bartenders make a good living). In other states, waiters can be paid as little as $4 an hour while the business expects tips to bring their wage up to the federal minimum. Since it is dictated by each state, you end up with places where you make great money regardless of how good a job you do, or you live in a shit area and basically can't afford to live.
The only people who want to keep the system are the actors and idiots in big cities that live a cushy life working 20 hours a week.
>>768875345
Not really , seems the older you get the older you think someone has to be to be considered old
>>768869086
Someone was ignorant to Jackie Chan and he refused to tip?
>>768875521
>literally crying abou non-tippers
>>768875521
You are a disgusting swine and I hope you get accused of sexual harassment by one of your greeters. You lose all sympathy when you do disgusting shit to people for no good reason. You are not owed a tip.
>>768875579
>California
guy
>>768875159
So when 10%s come in, they are disrespected. probably poisoned and made fun of. Most of the time I just toss their TIP out and make it 20%. Never been questioned once about it and I've done this for 10years. Just cause you think you are tipping 10%, i have access to your account. lol. And if you're really shitty I sell your CC info to people that are willing to scam your ass. $20-30 for every cc info I get. I just need your name, the card # and the CCV. And that gets me $30 and revenge. lol.
>>768875550
I agree, but mostly
>ordering 20 bottles of shittiest rosé wine and 20 bottles of the shittiest champagne for $80k after taxes at a place where their waiter is literally named Dayhana
>>768875521
it's gonna be funny when you end up like the Toronto van kid begging police to shoot when you go ballistic because someone catches you on this
Alternatively,
>I'll take things that don't actually happen for 200, Alex
>>768875468
Why should I know better ? Is it because I should know you will never produce an argument with any substance?
>>768875048
this
>>768875396
Much like tipping I guess
>>768875735
Because then you wouldn't be called -new-.
>>768875785
But as opposed to calling people new, tipping is even more retarded.
>>768875695
This is a false flag. No waiter is going to risk jail time for a 10% tip. God damn man get a grip tipping exists just live with it.
>>768875735
When in your life have you produced a single thing of substance?
Not the anon you're replying to, just curious.
>>768875557
Remember... $60,000 in one state is equal to $100,000 in another state. Don't be a dummy. Im making bank. And getting young pussy.
>>768875721
Do you genuinely believe people don't fuck with your food if you treat them shitty or is it just denial
>>768875695
I think you are replying to the wrong post, my point was literally that you're still paying money for eating out regardless of whether the food prices go up (because no tip), or if it is in the form of tip.
But since you responded to me, I will point out that if you feel offended by getting 10% in tip you are an entitled fuck and you should be dragged out in the streets and shot with the rest of the gimmegrants that come here and demand housing and welfare.
>>768875006
Why do you say you own a restaurant but you earn as much as you would doing a job and also your still begging for tips. Free alcohol in a bar is nothing you fucking idiot.
>>768875863
Ahh groundless arguments again
>>768875557
Also my 60,000 doesn't include tips... which is easily another 20-30,000. So do what you want with that. I live in a spot that cost me about 10,000 to live comfortably for a year. I'm a goddamn superstar where I live.
OP bbn is too poor to afford going to a real restaurant.
Stick to Macdonald's poorfag.
>>768876018
He didn't actually say he owned it, he is merely doing the owner's job for him and managing the business and still being paid the same as a regular server.
>>768875959
>m-my situation is totally good!
>th-this is totally 100K of work! in another st-state!
Goodness me, you do get in a little tiff when you get blown the fuck out. As a bartender I figured you'd be familiar with the diversity and importance of flavour but here's you choosing 'just salty'
60k. Enough to buy degeneracy but not happiness, it seems
Maybe you can hook up with a dealer for xannies. These kids are all hopped up on something nowadays anyway, goddam helicopter psychiatry
>>768875945
I'm an engineer I produce tangible things full of substance for a living
>>768876040
Reread our conversation again, makes more sense on the 2nd try.
>>768875393
Ya I live in a poor state. my 60gs would be closer to 100k if I lived in another state. Plus I'm not including tips which range from 20-30gs a year. SO it is what it is.
>>768869086
I still tip my fedora, I don’t know what you’re talking about
>>768872304
Have to take care of your dealers. No, they can't influence cards that come to dice rolls, but they can do a lot of other helpful stuff.
I used to beat the tits off this handheld single deck blackjack game at an Indian joint in NorCal. Took care of the dealers and they'd deal a hand or two deeper than normal before they shuffled up, assuming it wasn't too obvious with my bet jumps that I was counting.
They also put up with your cunt mood when you lose, so be nice to them.
>>768876059
>I'm a goddamn superstar where I live.
You're literally the bartender people get annoyed with for not serving them beers fast enough bro.
>>768876074
>flushing money down the toilet
>willingly
>>768875935
Unfortunately it is true. My girlfriend is extremely anal about tipping and her creditcard bills (she's asian) and she reviews EVERYTHING when it comes time to pay her CC off. She keeps every scrap of paper and receipt. More than once she's caught someone editing the tip she left which she then challenges with her CC company. That is just for the year so far.
>>768875934
I would propose more retards call people new than tip. Per capita at least
>>768875512
My point was, I'm literally more wealthy than 90% of the fucktards in America. Most homeless people are more wealthy than most of Americans. Your degrees put you in debt. Most millenails and gen z er's are just fucking pieces of shit.
>>768871622
To fire the shitty ones even faster.
>>768876165
>I make roughly 3-400 in tips.
>Plus I'm not including tips which range from 20-30gs
Seems like backpedaling to me.
>>768876267
What state are you in?
>>768875645
They're usually too young to know what to do when they are taken advantage of. Most them have hs bf's and just don't want that relationship to be fucked up. lol. They are dumb as fuck.
>>768876040
Oh you saying the same pointless argument again and again will make more since the second time, not likely m8
>>768876249
My wife is also asian and keeps track of every penny we spend. It has never happened to us not even one time in 20 years of marriage.
>>768876154
Oh you saying the same pointless argument again and again will make more since the second time, not likely m8
>>768876267
>My point was, I'm literally more wealthy than 90% of the fucktards in America
I don't think you are, mate. Last time I checked, the median income in the US was around 60-70k. You're barely making above that including your tips.
>Your degrees put you in debt.
Well, first of all, a PhD stipend is paid, no loans involved. Secondly, I live in Norway, where there is no tuition. I had some student loans initially (because housing), but I started working full time during my master's and I paid those like 5 years ago and the only debt I have now is on my apartment.
>>768873626
How's eating at Chinese buffets? Or fast food in general?
>>768875006
Being happy with what you do is the most important part. You got it made dude.
>>768876398
Might be very location dependent and how often you go out to eat.
>>768869086
Don't abolish it, but they should be payed better. not 15 an hour, but better then the shitty 7.25. I'll tip until then, people gotta make ends meet, but it is nice knowing that if they're a little shit to you that you have to option of not paying them to spite them.
Why would I want tipping abolished when I can make twice your wage for half the work? Kek.
Stay mad and feel free not to tip me. I'll still make more money than you even if you don't.
>>768875935
I risk jail time all the time, there is no way of backtracking it. Its called a CC scanner. You scan the card, get the info. Take it to an app where you can reload it on another card (usually bought from circle k). You get a label maker to punch out the name of the person on the fake card. You then sell the card to someone out of state on the dark web for a substantial amount of money. Theres like less than a percent of risk on this. No one ever knows its me. And if someone is using their card in another state or country the bloodhounds are definitely not looking at me. lol. But believe what you wanna believe you simple minded faggot.
ITT: OP doesn't understand anything about money.
>>768876059
>trailer park superstar
Fuck bartending, hit comedy. You're a blast.
>>768874276
Either tip or pay higher food prices. Why is it so hard to understand?
>>768869086
>>768875968
Ya, i change double your tip and toss out the original receipt. I get mine regardless son.
>>768875721
DeNILE isn't just a river in Egypt. I'm sure you've eaten poop with that attitude.
>>768876267
> 60K a year
> LITERALLY MORE WEALTHY THAN 90% -
Anon my fucking bottom jaw hurts from laughter reading everything you've said.
Someone give this fucker his own talk radio show.
>>768876599
Dude, skimmers have been irrelevant for almost 15 years ever since chips were introduced.
>>768876432
You proved you're new by replying to the wrong guy, there's nothing else to say but, lurk more
>>768876367
>>768869086
I live in the UK.
I only tip if I've received exceptional service i.e. above and beyond the standard I'd expect for the price I paid.
We have minimum wage laws here for a reason, and tips shouldn't be used to offset a sub-standard salary.
I don't give a fuck if some of my friends baulk at the idea of not tipping because they've watched too much American TV. I pay what I owe, and I earn what I have, and most people don't get tipped for doing their job properly.
Most people tip because they fear the social embarrassment of not tipping. They're not even doing it out of generosity. They're pussies.
>>768876650
And I check the bank statement, see that I was charged $30, call your employer and the police and get you fired and potentially arrested.
>>768876641
>inb4 food prices remain the same as food+tip
>>768876705
>eating out often enough to get reputation
>not just cooking for yourself
I don't know why you'd go to a place you don't tip more than once
If I don't tip, I don't return. The service isn't worth it and no place that causes a scuff over tipping has food worth the money
Just because you have all the mental processing of a bag of cement, doesn't mean we all do
>>768876572
I make 8 an hour plus tips so I bring home around 800 a week, way more than I need. To the point that I can regularly spot friends for shit and still have tons in savings.
Imagine not knowing someone's situation. I'm perfectly comfortable. Try harder.
>>768876018
I don't own the place. I make 60g's a year. If I make my quota on sales, that goes up another 5g's. Plus with alcohol and food working 5 days a week comes out to about $30 a day. Im too drunk on free alcohol today to do the math sucker but I'm fucking loaded. Don't be mad your degree will suck more than my bad decisions.
>>768876757
Cheers, big ears, meritocracy for life.
I think of it like this: my money speaks for me, and I wouldn't want to speak on behalf of someone who's done me disservice.
>>768876725
Is that really the best you got. I have been waiting on the new fags can green text or how about a can't die from jumping off a bridge thread... fuck off m8
>>768876118
I sell weed and shrooms. Seems to make me a nice little chunk of change. :)
>>768876221
Cool comment.
>>768876878
>the ardent denial continues
you know that arguing on /b/ while claiming to be ""a superstar"" undermines your whole point and just kind of proves the hole you've dug yourself into...
pretty petty star to go baiting into every line cast your way, eh?
>>768876878
Degree fags are always mad about tipping for this reason.
"Hurdur get a real job/education and go through thousands in debt like me"
>>768876817
Yeah...still don't get it do you?
>>768876937
Do I sense a bit of anger in your reply?
>>768876725
Thankfully you finally won the argument in technicality. I was worrying you might have to actually produce a valid logical rebuttal.
>>768877053
I'm not a degreefag but I just think if you're too much of a pissant to work for your tips you're not getting them
That always pisses off tipfags because they believe that they should get money they didn't earn.
Sorry to the good ones in the lot of ya but most of your kind are basically just cheap Jews who really would be better off sinking into a desk job if they hate people so goddam much
This wouldn't even be a debate if waiters could just do their job instead of chatting with coworkers the whole fucking time-- but there's shitters in every field
>>768877057
i get it perfectly, food will remain the same price and servers will either stop crying or quit.
Big win
>>768877086
I'm steaming here anon. How many weeks till school gets backin for you?
>>768877053
>everyone lives in a cucked country where servers have to fight for scraps and going to college sets you back half a million
kek
>>768877119
That's not how you win an argument on 4chin
>>768877215
I almost graduated from kindergarden anon.
>>768877297
>4chinz
>winning
>literally anything
>>768876871
Well, I'm glad that you make enough money anon, but my point is that you could also make that amount of money if you were simply paid a liveable wage by your employer to begin with.
As I see it, the only reason to defend a system that allows employers to pay below minimum wage, is if you believe that you somehow can cheat the system and come out on top. Which may be true in your case, but it basically becomes the customers that fund your employment through voluntary handouts instead of your employer.
>>768876290
3-400 tips a night. For a year... comes out to about 20-30k a year. Do the math faggot.
>>768876314
I don't need you looking up shit faggot.
>>768876462
I'm making a minimum of 60k plus tips take me into the 80k category. Learn how to read faggot.
>>768876462
You live in Norway? lol. You're like as educated as my vet. lol. I live in America not some 3rd world country bro.
>>768876517
Thanks bro. This is literally what I'm looking for. You understand. And I hope you get the fucking glamour job you deserve. I'd hire your ass based of your attitude alone.
>>768876608
Watches faggot cartoons. Sounds good bro.
>>768876718
Radio Show? lol. How old are you?
>>768876724
You're an idiot. Do a little more research dummy.
>>768876783
Nope. Doesn't work that way. But nice fairy tale.
>>768876860
You'd be surprised how stupid people are. Actually you'd be surprised how stupid RICH people are.
>>768877179
>Implying
I actually like people and my job. That's why I stay in the service industry and make as much as I do from tips. I also agree that shit servers shouldn't be tipped a penny.
But I love rustling the jimmies of forever - mad fags that refuse to tip because "get a real job".
I like what I do, and I'm not going to stop or get pissed just for the few who refuse to tip. Lol
>>768876641
I'm fine with paying higher food prices set by the restaurant if it removes these whiny little self entitled shits from the mindset that you're obligated to give them a fucking handout.
Hell man.... if all restaurants decided to fire all waiters and the customers were required to send in their own orders and get up from their table to walk 15 feet and pick up their own plates, I'd be fine with that too.
There is no fucking job more overrated than a goddamn waiter.
They barely even deserve minimum wage.
The fucking dishwashers a prep people are doing more work.
>>768877587
suck a fuck
>>768877215
Ohhhh fuck I left out a space my comment is null and void
>>768877473
I heard the whole 'tips make wages up to the minimum legal wage' in America was a myth, or at least no longer the case because of changes to law?
>>768877008
Well, I can allow myself to have days of during the week and I can fuck around and get drunk. So I mean, if you're mad about what I do with my free time really says more about you. I'm in my boxers drunk as fuck. About to order some uber food and shit. About to spend $50 on food I shouldn't be eating and probably another $50 on booze here soon. lol
>>768877520
>I'm making a minimum of 60k plus tips take me into the 80k category.
Oh wow, you make $10k over the national median.
>You live in Norway? lol. You're like as educated as my vet. lol. I live in America not some 3rd world country bro.
At least I'm not forced to literally sell drugs and shitty art on the side in order to make a living.
>You're an idiot. Do a little more research dummy.
Skimmers do not work on chip cards, only magnetic stripes. Ergo, they have been irrelevant for the last 10-15 years, even in backwards US.
>Nope. Doesn't work that way. But nice fairy tale.
It actually does, and I actually did this once because some waiter thought he was being "clever" by charging me more tip.
>>768877473
And I value those customers and my employers. They treat me right, and unless you count tips as cheating the system, I'm not having to.
But to each their own.
>>768877665
In depends on the state, but in most states it is allowed to pay less than minimum wage in service jobs where tipping is expected.
>>768877159
>muh memes
>>768875301
the higgs boson is cool
>>768870567
The manager is at a restaurant for the sole purpose of meeting and appeasing the guest. As well as ordering stock and keeping the kitchen running. Wait staff or there own system that grades based on service like the other anon said.
>>768878013
Surprise this is now a loli thread..
>>768877183
Nope.
You're a fucking idiot.
$10 or $15 an hour for wait staff means the money has to come from somewhere. Where else?
Use your brain lol
Your ass in the form of higher food prices.
You only complain because poorfag.
>>768878090
>$10 or $15 an hour for wait staff means the money has to come from somewhere. Where else?
Not the guy you're responding to, but I could easily picture restaurants firing half of their entitled shit staff and making the remaining half work twice as hard. We're talking about the US after all here.
>>768877726
1. So I'm better than average.
2. I like to sell drugs, and do them. I'm nor forced to sell them but its just OH SO EAZY.
3. We just got chips on our cards like 2 years ago, and the actual cc systems are all fucked. Some type of mismanagement. So chips are barely used. Also, you don't need a fucking chip to scan the info and replace the info on a card without a chip. The chip is extra security, but if I go into a Best Buy with your info on a fake card, and I scan as a CC theres no reason for a chip. That's a safety blanket they sold to you dummy.
4. So, as a manager... if this situation happened, and a disgruntled patron came back in, I would literally void the tip. I wouldn't fire my staff. I'd chalk it up as a mistake and depending on how you acted, I would dismiss the whole ordeal to another asshole customer... and probably ask you not to come in again it was a tip lower than 20%.
Im the fucking boss bro. I'm not gonna fire a server for that shit. lol.
>>768877587
Stick with buffets. You DO have a choice.
>calls wait staff whiners
Looks who's whining the most now bitch
>>768875141
It wasn't actually Jackie Chan. It was some asian dude, and his waitress called him Jackie Chan to her coworkers, thinking he couldn't hear. He could.
>>768877520
How old am I? That's what ya come back with?
Look at the way you go on in this entire thread.
Look at your reaction to the mentioning of "radio"
You work in the fucking food service industry (gussy it up all you please, you're a fucking server) who claims to be a "Superstar" or whatever the fuck you said that I can't be arsed to scroll up on.
How fucking old are you?
Wait, are you this kid at 17?
Or is a King of The Hill reference "too old" for ya too junior?
>>768877935
It is. I know a dude working on that shit. Its a little fucking crazy knowing that this fucking engineer gets shit faced off of Stella Artois almost everyday.
>>768872052
>>768878198
Still a weak argument. Do you want a hit service?
Or do your own serving? Stick with buffets.
>>768878366
*shit service.
Fuck autocorrect
>>768877520
>surprised how stupid people are
>I'm literally on 4chan in the same thread full of morons
I believe your threshold for surprise is weak, young padawan
>watches faggot cartoons
Only MHA recently, PLUS FUCKIN ULTRA NIGGER
But you're right, shit's pretty incel these days. I won't deny that.
In all honesty if you're not just larping you do sound like you have a comfy lot, just remember comfort breeds indolence
etc etc
>>768877532
Yeh for sure, pride in your job is an asset anywhere. Like I said I love a good waiter and I love being waited on, I just have no tolerance for a shitty job done. If you can't do your fucking job, get the fuck out. Hundreds would be happy to sweat actual bullets and work 48 hours for 38 paid just to say claim to employment and a living wage.
For every good waiter who takes pride in their work like you, there's twenty who are a waste of the trees used to file their paperwork.
>>768878276
I wouldn't much consider pointing out how useless of a job it is whining.
Admittedly self-entitled parasites do annoy me, and with food service workers they're just dime a dozen.
So yeah, at times certain thoughts may come off a little hot but to rebut whining tip-dependent parasites and they're value to society, to mem isn't a whining complaint in and of itself.
>>768878362
>>768878221
>1. So I'm better than average.
Yes, and so is 50%. Wow, what an accomplishment.
>2. I like to sell drugs, and do them. I'm nor forced to sell them but its just OH SO EAZY.
Your main argument was that 60k wasn't the only amount you were making because you were also selling drugs, which seems to me that you're making a point that you are rich because you work your ass off doing your shitty job and selling drugs on the side.
>3. We just got chips on our cards like 2 years ago
And the US isn't a third world country, you say? kek
>The chip is extra security, but if I go into a Best Buy with your info on a fake card, and I scan as a CC theres no reason for a chip. That's a safety blanket they sold to you dummy.
Actually, that's wrong though. And chips doesn't work that way. You can't simply scan and copy the chip information, they don't work without a PIN. That's the whole point of them.
>4. So, as a manager... if this situation happened, and a disgruntled patron came back in, I would literally void the tip.
In which case, the waiter gets absolutely nothing extra, which makes me happy.
>I wouldn't fire my staff. I'd chalk it up as a mistake and depending on how you acted, I would dismiss the whole ordeal to another asshole customer... and probably ask you not to come in again it was a tip lower than 20%.
I seriously doubt that most managers would be casual about employers that had a habbit of stealing money from your customers and making them unhappy. But hey, I would never come back to your place anyway if your waiter tried to steal from me in the first place, so banning me would be pointless.
>>768877826
What a bizarre country lol
>>768878296
DUSTY OLD BONES you faggot.
Dude call me a fucking servant or slave...as long as I'm making close to 75,000 I'm chill.
What degree do you have? How much less are you making then me? lol. I'm sure I haver server making more money than you do on an annual basis...faggot.
>>768869086
I bet you don't clap when the airplane lands either
>>768878366
>>768878409
When paying 15% tip is pretty much considered mandatory, I get shit service anyway. I have had waiters chase me down the street and calling the cops on me for not paying tips when I literally sat around for almost an hour before getting my food.
>>768878294
Oh. I'd have not left her a tip either that's just rude.
>>768878743
>calls people faggot online
money won't buy you a personality, but at least it can bribe teens into having sex with you, eh?
>>768878715
It's not bizarre when you read the brainwashed sentiments of the americans ITT. They literally believe that the system that allows employers to pay them less than minimum wage means that they can make more money.
>>768878764
Where do they do that?
>>768878456
Hey I respect your response. Im just super drunk today. like I said earlier cause I'm drinking free samples of shit people want me to put on our draft selection, but I'm far form Larping. I have a job and I work hard. I make a shit ton of money but I work my ass off. I also do art which is my passion, and I[m doing really well with that. Next on my list to buy a shit ton of land and let weed growers rent it from me when my state becomes legal. I will be a millionaire or a couple times over by the time I'm 40.
>>768878895
It was common on charter flights in the old days, and somehow it made it to regular flights for some reason.
>>768878873
Well Ok then I mean... what a bizarre mentality.
>>768878968
Yeah but where? I've flown all over the place, nobody ever clapped on touch down. Is it an American thing?
>>768879050
I agree. I think it is a classic case of baby duck syndrome, where they are vigorously defending this system because they actually don't know anything else.
>>768878873
I believe the point is they have a higher earning potential with the current system. Is it true in every case? No, but it is often enough.
>>768879146
>Yeah but where? I've flown all over the place, nobody ever clapped on touch down.
As I said, you're only supposed to do this on charter flights.
>Is it an American thing?
I'm not American, but most americans are accustomed to flying a lot so they actually don't do this. They do, however, clap in cinemas for some reason.
>>768879146
I'm American, I've flown plenty of times and I have never once had the impulse to clap upon take off or landing. Nor have I experienced anyone in my immediate surroundings clapping thus.
>>768878743
Do ya not notice you're the only person who feels it necessary to prove your value and worth?
Like just constant venting of shit, some backpedaling and contradictory, as if the person you're really trying to convince of your worth is yourself?
I'm CPA with a minor in marketing.
I'm happy, and comfortable. My income comes from freelance (Freelance CPA's in areas with not many can virtually charge whatever the fuck they want) and whatever company is the highest bidder for my skills. I jump around a lot.
That's all you need to know.
Only insecure faggots and niggers go on about their income the way you do.
>>768879206
>higher earning potential
But do they really though? The waiters in this thread are bragging about making up to $60 grand by working their asses off and giving exceptionally great service, which is barely above the median income in the US (and the average worker does NOT work his ass off day and night).
>>768879256
I've witnessed the clapping in cinemas before, I never understood why, there is no audience to receive you applause so what is the point? I liked to make believe those were visitors from a far off and strange place, like Quebec, and not fellow Americans.
>>768879432
The strangest thing to me about American cinemas is that you're not allowed to bring in your own candy. Literally everywhere else on earth allows this, but not the US; there you have to buy overpriced expensive shit in the theater's own kiosk..
>>768879405
Compare 60grand to if there was just a minimum wage of 15 dollars an hour. If there was just a set minimum and no tips, at 15 dollars an hour and say 40 hour work weeks, that's like ~25k a year after taxes?
