Whenever a religiotard mentions the g word, always, always ask “which god”? Never miss an opportunity to remind the knuckle-draggers that their favourite magic invisible floating faggot in the sky is just as fake as the thousands of other gods that they know are fake.
Once you actually understand the world beyond your tiny room in your parents house, you might begin to grasp faith, and that the names of the gods are not important.
>>768790270
self-hate el thread
>>768790484
it's okay to admit your dumb
Did you hinduism is the closest religion to what our ancestors would organize? Unless you a jew, then begone.
>>768790579
Ok.
>>768790579
Virgin detected
>sage
>>768790270
*Fedora Detected*
>Herp Derp everything comes from nothing
Athiniggers
>>768790579
How many fedoras do you own?
>>768790484
explain it then genius
NIGGERS STINK LIKE SHIT
>>768790270
I haven't done anything worth a shit since, "The Office".
There are so many failures in my movie/tv career but the next one, the next is going to really take off.
No, really. It's going to take off.
- Ricky Gervais
>>768790818
just the one
There are thousands of fake gods
But only yours is real,
You fucking sheep
>>768790579
Problem is you the one lacking the knowledge and understanding
Religion is for pussies who can’t handle the reality of pointless suffering and death. Something bad happens? Gods plan. Or perhaps the devil did it. Something good? Its because I prayed. Death? It was their time I guess.
Atheists are just as bad. So confident in their belief of nothing that they formed a religion, the very thing hey hate.
Why is it so hard for people to just live life and try not to be a dick?
>>768790804
you know literally nothing about the mechanics of how the universe began. noone does. this was before time existed. the idea of cause and effect itself doesn't make sense in that context. yet you're just gonna 'have faith' that sky daddy flicked a switch. ok pal.
>>768790980
There are 1000's of "gods" but my atheism is real!
AtheistNiggers, gotta kill them all.
>>768790980
homeless pals are callin
ole crack joe
>>768790892
Are you hurt anon? Attacking him rather than addressing his words? Swallow your bible and choke
>>768791100
so the same old religious nonsense, then?
>>768791134
Your god asked you to defend him?
>>768790844
To explain it simply, all faiths at their core teach the same principles. Their essence is shared, but the details are decorated by their cultures.
To convince you, that can't be accomplished in a 4chan post. You'll need to do some serious searching in your own life to make these conclusions.
>>768791128
Mechanics mean shit you nigger fagot.
Something can't come from nothing, that's logic 101 you uneducated ass clown.
Let us hear your ignorant ass explain that you autistic fag.
Imagine if you had the ability to grow or shrink in size indefinitely. you could grow larger than the universe and kill the massive organism we're living inside of that we call the "universe"
>>768791100
I think you lack knowledge. Do you know how infinitely huge the universe is? How small and insignificant your life is? And you have the audacity to think you matter enough that some god created just us hear on this little speck of rock.
I find it much more likely relgion is a product of made up shit to control a dumber populace and it’s survived all these years. The man who invented Christianity alone is a genius. It includes every excuse as long as you have blind faith
>>768791382
you can be spiritual (seeking a healthy mind) without making erroneous and unnecessary leaps in logic. to me religions are just what happens when small cults catch on big time. small cults will get you hooked with their new age spiritualism. all you need then is for everyone to tell their kids to believe in the same bullshit. kids are great prey if you want your group/religion to grow. brains like sponges and all.
If god exists, then explain how heartless he is to have allowed this gif to exist
>>768791128
That's right fagot, when asked how you justify your unscientific and irrational atheist beliefs you cuck disappear like a fart in the wind.
>>768791442
well holy shit you need to tell someone that the universe 'came from something' because whatever proof you have must be incredible - no one else has ever found proof for it! get ready for your nobel prizes!
>>768790270
dude i dont believe in god but i dont shove it in peoples faces and ruin their day. you aren't cool or edgy for not believing in god but you are a cunt for trying to make people who do believe in god stop believing. fuck off mate no one wants you here
>>768791957
The Kalam Cosmological Argument you uneducated fedora wearing nigger.
>>768791963
yeah the problem is though that religion has a HUGE effect on everyone else in society whether you follow that religion or not. as soon as that stops then we'll stop talking about it, too
>>768791876
>implying your beliefs are scientific and rational
Kek
>>768791629
Christianity wasnt "invented", you ignorant fucking clown. Jesus set out to reform Judaism. Christianity is just that, reformed judaism, but its not like you could call it judaism 2 electric boogaloo, so they took christs name since he was the reformer.
Also, you dont know how big the universe is. Much like a religion-fag, you get your knowledge of the universe from people youve never met, and have to take their word for it. I bet youre the kind of person who sees a "picture" of some planet or solar system and thinks its an actual photograph rather than a composite sketch made with computers based on what we "think" it looks like.
To recap, you dont know shit about religion or the universe at large, so go fuck yourself.
>>768791753
bait within a bait
>>768792093
This
Also it’s be great if the religious cunts stopped shoving it in everyone’s face and knocking on doors
>>768792089
this retarded argument. 'Whatever begins to exist has a cause'. including reality itself? that's quite a claim. ever seen a black swan?
>>768792093
>religion has a HUGE effect on everyone else in society whether you follow that religion or not.
What do you mean?
>>768790270
Except there were eyewitnesses that wrote the Bible and Jesus' body has never been found despite knowing where he was buried. But you and that faggot Ricky keep believing in a magic nothing that exploded for no reason to create all the universe and all life through a series of impossible accidents.
>>768791442
where did god come from?
>>768792093
apart from war there is no effect. and there is only war because people are so fucking aggy about their views to other people. what you are doing is along the same mindset as what isis is doing (obviously not the same you aren't killing people i hope lol). Isis is trying to spread their religion and stop people from thinking otherwise. people like you are trying to spread their lack of religion and stop people from thinking otherwise. granted you aren't killing anything but still you get my point.
I just dont understand why we cant just let people do their own thing. fucking boggling
>>768791957
Another athienigger gets schooled and disappears.
I'm so tired of these fat know nothing basement dwelling retards.
Atheism is the religion of beta cucks.
Herp Derp I'm an athienigger so that makes me smart!
Go read a book!
>>768792193
My bad. Whoever invented Judaism was a genius
Also your tin foil hat is showing. You don’t always have to rely on people you’ve never met. You could be in the field, doing it yourself. Or hey, buy a telescope
I get the feeling you don’t know shit about anything because you refuse to use the collective information of humans known as the internet unless it fits your world view
>>768792306
War lol
>>768792306
Not that anon but in America it’s everywhere. There’s hardly a separation of church and state. It’s printed on our damn money even
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVOz4NVv0pY
watch this video
>>768792521
>this idiot thinks everything on the internet is true
Holy shmoley batman, im not saying the earth is flat here, im saying dont believe everything you see and hear
>>768792321
>Eyewitnesses that wrote the bible
You mean the authors of the greatest scam
>>768792306
erm the POTUS literally has to swear on the bible or some shit, right? and of course he panders to christians enormously. religion (aka people's irrational belief's) have a huge effect on all sorts of policies - abortion, education, etc. hell george bush literally said 'i spoke to God and he told me to go to war' or something along those lines.
>>768792521
yo dude i hate to break it to you but Jesus was a Jew and the Jews who supported Jesus' claim to be the son of God were called Christians
>>768790804
So... Where does god comes from?
>>768792321
you fucking mong. every religion has 'eye witnesses' and 'historicism' and all that dumb shit. a lot of people have been 'eye witnesses' to werewolves, vampire and bigfoot. do you believe them too?
>>768792302
No, you are the retard as you can't understand deductive logic.
You can't give any scientific or logical evidence to support you belief in atheism, and you are too stupid to understand the logical and scientific evidence for theism.
Prove me wrong nigger cunt.
>>768792816
Where does your faith in atheism come from?
>>768792645
Where the fuck did I say that? I’m saying don’t believe everything you read and certainly don’t believe in a book written ages ago with no context of our current day and age of culture. The internet is easy to filter for bullshit anon
God's are for faggots. There is no meaning to anything. Science is most likely pointless too. Maybe give me some better faps and drugs. They rest is for star trek nerds.
>>768792812
Hey guess what, I don’t believe in any of that crap so I don’t care. It’s all bullshit no matter who originally wrote it
>>768792321
>>768792831
you two shut the fuck up? we dont know what happened and we never will. grow the fuck up
>you fucking mong
mate you are both mongs like be quiet
>>768792899
who said his an atheist, instead answer the question
>>768792832
haha what a fucking idiot. 'i used my incredible intellect to deduce that everything since the universe began has cause and effect, therefore without a fucking shred of evidence the universe ITSELF must work to this exact same logic because my puny brain can't possibly comprehend anything different'.
>>768791382
Whats your definition of faith?
>>768793035
thats just the orgins of the religion. i dont believe it either and dont think Jesus was the son of god but instead a con artist who's cons went a little too far lmao. it still doesn't mean you can just count it off. like that actually did happen otherwise we wouldn't have a religion called Christianity lol. use your mind mate
>>768792899
I'm not an atheist, but you said that everything comes from somewhere and I believe that God comes from nothingness so I'm curious about your argument.
>>768792970
Oh you think so? You think youre immune to bullshit? You arent any better than a christian, or any other religious zealot. You think youre smarter or wiser because you dont believe in the flying spaghetti monster? Check yourself
>>768792556
Only people waging religious war were recently defeated.
>>768792590
>>768792715
I am of the opinion that this is fault of state and not the religion, but let's agree that it would be better if what you describe wasn't the case.
>george bush literally said 'i spoke to God and he told me to go to war'
That's really scary. Especially since Jesus told us to be nice to each other and especially those who hates us.
>>768790270
>>768790270
ask atheists which nothingness exploded and created rocks and puppies from soup. no rains for millions of years. and then WHAMMO. the atlantic oceans appears here from space clouds. okaaaaaaay. muh globe-o-sexuals
>>768793201
>Jesus was a con
I subscribe to that belief too. I believe he knew slight of hand and magic tricks. I just don’t care about all the technical terms but I know Jesus was real. Just not Jesus tm bible version
Although canon bible Jesus is way better than the Christians regurgitated version
>>768793232
i think its most definitively a mixture of state and religion but you'd be lying if you thought that religion didn't play a part in it. my friend is muslim and he says that if his faith didn't exist then the whole syria war wouldn't be happening right now.
>>768793436
go raise the dead there mr blain and/or maybe yourself
>>768792899
It doesn't take faith to withhold judgment about the existence of god.
>>768793232
yeah well if every christian actually did what jesus taught then there wouldn't be much problem but they've been SO far away from what jesus taught that it's laughable. it's always interested me to see religious people say 'we're not cherry picking from the bible/qu'ran etc, it's just our interpretation'. well, isn't picking what is or isn't rhetoric/symbolism/allegory just another form of cherry picking?
>>768793436
i think that he may of discovered certain sciences which helped him do certain things. instead of sharing his findings he was just a bellend and chose to use it for personal gain (dont blame him tbf)
>>768790270
Why you mad at God? Be mad at your self for making shity life choices.
>>768793332
There are multiple theories which are quite interesting. My favorite is the theory that the universe has always existed and the big bang is just an endless cycle of the universe.
>>768790270
this is probably bait but there are actually some people who feel superior when doing pathetic and retarded shit like this. this only makes other people loathe you because you are an asocial fuck
now while I don't believe in the biblical concept of god (I do believe that some kind of force had to cause the big bang though), I still respect people who believe in god. if you weren't a complete faggot whose parents sucked at their job of raising you, you'd know that you can respect other people's opinions despite not agreeing with them
>>768791112
>Religion is for pussies who can’t handle the reality of pointless suffering and death
what's bad about that though? people use their faith and beliefs to have an easier life, so what? as long as they don't harm anyone, why not let them believe some stuff that is farfetched?
>Atheists are just as bad
true that
>Why is it so hard for people to just live life and try not to be a dick?
because when people are left on their own, they decide to be the biggest dickheads ever. only a minority of people are actually properly raised to realise that you should just live your own life without giving a fuck about what others think as long as they don't prohibit you from living life the way you want to
>>768793529
yes it does. science is a religion and lies all the time. how did we make 5,000 mile long train tracks in the 1800s on top of a giant ball? when trains stall. they dont move! they should be, if we live on a huge ball. because the longest trains are over 6 miles long and are very heavy. why dont any skyscrapers lean? why doesnt polaris move as much as it "should" if at all? hrm? it requires faith to believe that buildings lean and trains move from a stall. and we make huge curved tracks. and the northern star doesnt really move if we all are and very fast and for "long" time. you can't date rocks if you were never there to record the starting time of the decay you use to date them. we have upright trees in the fossil record. muh deeper down you go the older shit is. with vertical non flooded trees and REEEEE
>>768793600
dubs of truth. god has spoken lol
Because noone wants to define faith I'll just assume faith means believing something without evidence. Why is believing something without evidence a good thing.
>>768793224
>You think youre smarter or wiser because you dont believe in the flying spaghetti monster?
I do. Not to sound too cocky here but I am definitely wiser than someone who believes in a monster god that looks like a human food creation. I wouldn’t say immune to bullshit but I look into almost everything I consume. I’m willing to be proven wrong and adjust my point of view but the more I’ve learned about any religion the more obvious the bullshit behind every one. You should be more open anon. Let go of god and find some answers for yourself
>>768793773
bible says the earth has 4 corners. and a face. some "sphere" eh?
>>768790270
That's not even true.
Literally every religion has the same God.
>>768793805
science has no evidence. it doesnt use it to change theories. it changes evidence to suit theories
>>768793898
not exactly
>>768793933
basically i believe in plasma cosmology and creationism
>>768793821
the people who wrote the bible must've thought that at the time so they wrote it down. its literally proven like you cannot argue this
>>768792899
I'm not a scientist yet I believe in science, it's not that different than believing in god except that science brings proofs and progress.
Like the internet.
>>768793773
Not knowing if god exists does not require faith (believing something without evidence) because it's not a belief, it's the lack of belief.
>>768793501
We have people now doing tricks such as David Blaine. You think he invented it?
>>768793590
I agree. I think he was smart, found some ways to trick people and I don’t blame him a bit. Well maybe a little bit, we are stuck in a world with Christianity
Which honestly wouldn’t be so bad if people would just take that be a good person thing and actually do it
>>768790270
This, as far as allah goes, there is no such thing, it is all in your head.
>>768791963
>Buttshattered godtard larping as an atheist
Religions are scams designed to separate the stupid and the frightened from their cash. I am trying to help my slow-witted comrades to see that they have been scammed. You should be thanking me for that instead of ragesperging for jesus
>>768793600
the bb is the expansion of already existing components of the u-verse,
its not the origin of the u-verse which is unknown to science.
the bb may be cyclical on 7 bil year cycles of expansion & contraction.
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http://www.amazon.com/Endless-Universe-Beyond-Big-Bang/dp/product-description/0385509642
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“The Endless Universe: Beyond the Big Bang,” 5th ed, 2007.
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by Paul J. Steinhardt & Neil Turok.
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Steinhardt is the Albert Einstein Professor of Science at Princeton University and a professor of theoretical physics.
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Turok was Chair of Mathematical Physics at the University of Cambridge, UK, starting in 1997. He was appointed Director of the Perimeter Institute in his native South Africa in 2008.
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>>768793904
Science is just an iterative process for creating predictive models.
>>768792899
>Dodging awkward questions for jesus
>>768793637
>as long as they don't harm anyone, why not let them believe some stuff that is farfetched?
That’s where it falls apart. I’d say Christianity harms a lot of people that don’t subscribe to it. In a perfect world I’d have no problem but we live in one where people will point to their religion as an excuse for shitting on others or even killing them
>>768794167
um. what? dude. you are still a cunt for forcing your opinions down someones throat like fuck. just live your life and let others live theirs. agree to disagree. no need to a be a child lol. i used to be like you when i was 14. says a lot about you.
ouch
>>768794278
Thanks for the reading material.Ill check it out.
>>768793808
I dont know why youre under the impression that I believe in God. Im agnostic. I just know a great many things about many different religions, and was correcting you on your moronic post about christianity.
>>768794144
oh well. lets just let other people live their lives you know?
>>768793898
No.
>>768794278
>7 bil year cycles
the universe is 13.7 bil years old already and it's deffo not contracting. or am i missing something?
>>768794149
Yeah but muslims believe any old shit
Which is the better argument and why:
>I know god exists because I have faith that god exists.
>I know god doesn't exist because I have faith that god doesn't exist.
>>768790270
Don't talk about your God that way. I will smite you and then you'll be forced to rethink what you just said.
>>768794499
I think it was just a mistype on there part
>>768794409
You’re an idiot. I say that not as an insult, but because you seem to be oblivious of the fact in typical Dunning-Kruger fashion, and it’s important that you know it lest you attach too much significance to your own opinions.
>>768794619
I think for atheists it's more about a lack of evidence not a lack of belief.
>>768794458
Of all cosmic coincidences I just had to tell some jenovah witnesses I’m not interested. Pushy fucks. If I’m letting them live their lives shouldn’t they leave other people to theirs as well
>>768794687
Jesus, how does that brain fit in there when your egos taking up all the space.
>>768790484
i know exactly what you are talking about i had the same experience. i was raised in a purely christian family with praying before dinner and everything but through the years i realised that i doesn't matter at all in what stupid god you believe life just goes on and no matter how much you pray to your god it won't change anything. now i am a proud atheist who lives on his own. i even earn enough money to have a good life and i almost got a girlfriend once
>>768794619
i think most atheists are agnostic atheists. meaning that they don't claim to have any knowledge as to whether a god exists however they won't 'believe' in a god without an evidence whatsoever. just like you wouldn't believe bill cosby is actually superman without any evidence. just like anything else, really.
>>768794820
any evidence*
>>768790270
The Hindus believe in not 3000 gods, but 100 millions, and they consider them all valid.
OP is worse than a faggot - he's a reddit atheist.
>>768794687
two things
you take yourself way too seriously. speak fuckin normally bellend.
thats the most hypocritical thing i've seen on 4chan.
these things make me think this is a bait. wp i was a baited.
>>768794738
I'm pointing out that faith (belief without evidence) can just as easily be used to argue that god doesn't exist, and argue that god does exist.
>>768794769
100% i couldn't agree more :)
>>768790270
There aren't that many different gods, there are different ways of worshiping the same god unless you polytheistic.
Stupid fucking atheists.
>>768794917
>further supports OP's argument
>calls OP worse than a faggot
>this dumb
>>768795010
>OP after reading this
>>768790270
dammit op why do we have to look at this hideously inbred and unfunny brit nigel gervais
>>768790900
>just the one
>>768794952
Its not the argument its the mannerisms.
>>768794820
Speak for yourself. Agnostics are fence-sitting faggots. Would you say that you know that Santa is not real? Sure you would. You can say that gods are also fake with equal certainty.
Saying "I believe god exists because I have faith that god exists" is the same as saying "I believe god exists because I believe god exists".
>>768795112
>>768795010
>>768793898
do you retards really believe that? or are you just baiting?
>>768794952
so would you believe there's an invisible pink elephant orbiting mars until evidence to contrary is found? or believe literally anything else until it's disproved with evidence? sounds like a fallacy because you can justify literally any belief in anything until it's disproved with evidence even if your belief is not falsifiable. in short, the burden of proof is on you to prove god's existence
>>768795010
>"I'm not religious. I'm... spiritual."
>>768795074
reddit is that way, you'll find the euphoria there ----------------->
>>768795264
Baitception.
Or you're retarded.
you fucking idiots! who the fuck cares if there is a god or not? time is just passing and you cant influence it even if you think you can. it doesn't matter if you believe in a higher being or not time will always go on!
if you really think you can change anything that is about to come you are clearly wrong.
no one can change the future
>>768790488
First thing people notice
>fedora
>slanty eyes
Choose the correct one chink!!
>>768795212
But in a way santa is real, Its just derived from saint nick. Stop contradicting your arguments that something cannot be proved without evidence.
>>768793637
>as long as they don't harm anyone
YEAH.. BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY IS FUCKING HARMLESS AND NEVER CAUSED ANY FUCKING HARM, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK ARE YOU EVEN SAYING..HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
>>768795212
Better to sit on the fence than hop into the pig shit with you.
The thing about religion is believer maybe don't have hard proof of god's existence, but they have little hints that supports their faith. Like a lot of people in their vicinity says so and the way they see the world supports such world-view, maybe even having personal experience with god. Also, add to it healthy dose of confirmation bias.
None of it is hard proof, but also nothing of it is understandable for outer observer.
>>768795240
>faith
Faith in religious context has somewhat different meaning than "i believe X exists".
>>768795212
gnosticism/agnosticism/ignosticism speaks to true knowledge, not 'belief' like atheism/theism. if you claim to have some true knowledge that god doesn't exist then the whole world is waiting eagerly because you'd be the first to have it.
>>768791442
The concept of a God coming from nothing is infinitely more retarded than the big bang theory.
>>768790508
>>768790488
See, fedora but not a chink!
Stirra currant doh!
>god most probably doesnt exist and everyone here knows it
>none of these atheist quotes/pics are real, they're bait, and everyone here knows it
>nobody on 4chan is sincere in defending christianity or any other religion and everyone here knows it
in summary
>Oh look another conversation about religion and the lack thereof. Maybe something will come of it this time?
>except this time literally nobody is being serious
>>768795411
In a way God is real because Muhammad declared himself God in messenger form. You're literally criticizing a fallacy while using a fallacy to prove it.
>>768795365
>no one can change the future
Not with that attitude.
>>768795309
No I wouldn't. I'd withhold judgment. Although it is very unlikely. How is me showing that using faith to prove things leads to contradictions a fallacy?
>>768792816
God is a necessary being who has always existed. God is uncreated. There needs to be something like that, otherwise you'd just have an infinite regress. It's not special pleading on the theist's part either since an atheist also has to believe that there is something that has necesarilly always existed. No matter what side of the argument you're on, there needs to be something that has always existed, either God or the universe/vacuum/singularity/etc.
>>768795598
>Oh look some faggot took the time to explain the obvious
>>768795485
but these are all terrible reasons to believe anything. you can justify any horrific belief because 'people around me say so and it makes me fell gud'.
>>768795598
>except this time literally nobody is being serious
This saddens me, but you are right, i guess. It's a sign of times. What we gonna do about it?
>>768795365
we don't have a lot of time on this earth anon, why not ask questions.
>>768795365
But you can change today by being part of a retarded religion and make things more difficult for everyone, including yourself.
>>768790270
You're stupid!
>>768795485
Well what does faith mean in a religious context then. Christians always seem to use faith as "I have faith that x is true so x must be true".
>>768795662
>oh look some faggot spent 30-45 minutes in a thread pretending like he's trolling trolls when really he's the one being trolled by other trolls who have literally nothing better to do....
>better comment on how he took the time to comment
Srs tho anon?
>Obviously we're all just trolling one another!
And I'm the fool? Get a hobby. Like a real one.
>>768790484
Faith =/= Religion though
>>768795607
If that's what you interpret from it then ok, however my point is you cant always be certain something is not true and something is true because for both arguments you need evidence.
>>768790270
This is a picture of OP
>>768795639
prefer something created from nothing, sounds more poetic when thinking about it.
>>768795676
I think most of ours believes are ultimately supported only by these, so... *shrugs*
How many things you know just because other people told you? Considering the way we use language to share knowledge, i think it is true about most of it.
Aquinas already proved God’s existence, retard.
Literally no intellectual rebuttal exists of a Thomist proof for God’s existence. Retards
>>>768795915
Noone has defined faith yet. It's still a mysterious thing which makes any argument a Christian has valid.
A lot of people defending Christianity in here while neglecting to listen to Peter when he said to do it with gentleness and respect.
>>768790270
The only one there is, obviously.
>>768795630
i'm not sure that you'd be willing to follow this philosophical rabbit hole to it's logical conclusion. you're telling me you 'withhold judgement' on the existence of literally anything and everything until it's disproved? Fortunately the rest of the world doesn't quite work this way. the rest of us are busy finding out how reality works not how it might-not-work.
>>768796173
This is probably 90% of 4chan users.
>>768796264
Valid point
>>768795874
I literally just got into this thread. You contradicted your entire argument trying to debate a faggot on the internet.
>Get a hobby
Faggot.
>>768796234
I have degrees of confidence. The more conststent a proposition is with my observations the more confident I am it's true.
>>768790845
white is trash
The universe needs a first cause. That first cause is God. And since God is purely actual, He needs no cause.
I win.
None of you fat fags can refute Aquinas
>>768796460
so what are your 'observations' that a god exists. please don't give me subjectivity like 'i speak to him every night'
"OP is a faggot, pass it on".
>>768790270
>>768796570
>The universe needs a first cause.
you just know that, huh? where did you read that? 'the beginning of space and time for kids'
Good night guys interesting conversations but bye.
>>768795607
>>768794278
>>768794952
>>768796501
I'll go take out the white now. Fun fact: the sun emits trash light.
>>768796680
Bye.
>>768796691
>tfw your covered in trash light atlas 8 hours a day
"Monster say only true God is Dr. Frankenstein. Fire bad!"
Which one will happen first;
A lifeform beyond our understanding reveals itself to us as our creator (god),
We explore the entire universe and disprove the existence of said life form,
Or humanity dies off before we get answers?
Claiming to know either way is pretty stupid.
>>768796409
I'm not debating you. I'm calling you a loser.
Not every disagreement or conflict is a debate. I decided to take time out of my life to let you know I found you pathetic. I did it for me.
This is a me day, you see?
>>768796679
observer effect in relation to the begining of the universe.
Theists 1
Atheists 0
/thread
God is Love
Love is Blind
Stevie Wonder is Blind
Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God
>>768796672
An athiest is just anyone who isn't a theist. And a theist is anyone who makes the claim "god exists". Not making the claim "god exists" makes sense when you don't know if god exists.
>>768796964
You are gay
gays suck dick
you are currently sucking a dick
OP is a nigger fagot
>>768795639
Except atheists don't. Quantum particles spontaneously popping into existence has pretty much taken care of that. Are they decomposing or precipitating from some "higher dimension" fuckery, or the condensation of lower order processes we regularly observe but haven't found the connection between? Who the fuck knows, doesn't matter. Still shows the formation of matter and energy of our material plane in dimensions itself isn't dependent on God.
While you could argue that doesn't advance anything because you can just say God could've spontaneously created himself, it still undermines the idea of God by implying that he didn't always exist. Even if the capacity for God's self-creation was always present, if there was ever a point where he didn't exist fully formed, then it isn't God. Short of a transcendent event on par with the Rapture we'll never get confirmation of that beyond feelycrafting though, so there's actually no point in thinking about it let alone instructing others to.
>>768796958
Observer effect in relation to the begining of the universe.
Theists -99999999999
Atheists 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
/thread
>>768791382
Idk
I don't think gay people deserve to suffer just for existing and I don't think it's immoral to wear multiple types of fabric.
What I do know is, it's perfectly possible to be a good person and understand the value of morality, without subscribing to the archaic nonsense of men from thousands of years ago.
>>768797058
>>768797058
wrong fagot!
Atheism claims there is no god
A claim you can not prove, hence your faith in atheism with no evidence.
>>768797117
Have you ever sucked all dick you want?
>>768797201
in 3 dimensions* rip, checkmate atheists
>>768797203
nigger fagot got butthut
atheists 0
Theists 9001
/thread
>>768792260
He's a Master Baiter
>>768796958
oh yeah i remember when we observed that other universe beginning and it had to have a cause, right? oh no wait.. that never happened.
I'm a self proclaimed pagan. What are you gonna do about it?
>>768797261
have you considered English as your first language?
God doesn't solve the problem of what caused the universe, because if god caused the universe, and everything has a cause, what caused god? We're no closer to solving that problem by assuming god exists.
>>768797384
said the scientifically illiterate atheist from his moms basement
>>768797201
Atheists still do. In order to have quantum particles, you still need that quantum energy vacuum (or whatever you want to call it), which is not "nothing". Therefore that vacuum must have existed uncaused for an eternity before the big bang.
>>768797434
I'm not English, I'm Irish you asshole!
>>768791382
Let me guess: you’re the same faith as the people who raised you. You weren’t raised as a Christian and converted to Islam or vice versa. That, or you’re “spiritual” and “feel” a divine presence in your life.
In other words: you’re like every other fucking moron who has “faith”
>>768797341
Your face is stupid.
Theists 0
Atheists 9999999999
/thread
She is proof that God exist
>>768797596
so English is supposed to be your language you are just ignorant
>>768797514
Everything that comes into existence has a cause. God did not come into existence. I know it's not a satisfying explanation, but atheists also have to believe that something else besides God was always there and didn't come into existence.
>>768797630
Your moms face is stupid.
Theists 999999999999999999
Atheists 0
/thread
>>768797729
No, I speak Irish! Who's the faggot now? Faggot!
>>768797514
the theist argument is retarded, though.
>everything MUST have a cause
>including the beginning of time and space itself that obviously doesn't work to the same physical rules
>BUT NOT GOD, GOD DIDN'T NEED A BEGINNING
just book ending their argument where it suits. why can't the beginning of the universe not need a 'cause' even though we know literally nothing about how the big bang occurred - it almost certainly doesn't have to follow the 'something can't come from nothing' argument that applies to after the big bang. but god doesn't need a cause? what's the distinction? fucking stupid.
>>768790270
Obviously they're all fake.
Except tengri. Tengri is real.
"One arrow alone can be easily broken but many arrows are indestructible."
"The pleasure and joy of man lies in treading down the rebel and conquering the enemy, in tearing him up by the root, in taking from him all that he has."
"Even when a friend does something you do not like, he continues to be your friend."
"People conquered on different sides of the lake should be ruled on different sides of the lake."
"One of the joys of travel is visiting new towns and meeting new people"
“Find your chill.”
― Genghis Khan
>>768797226
Most famous athiests don't make that claim. If that's the definition of an atheist, Richard Dawkins and Betrand Russel aren't atheists. The only famous atheist I can think of who made the positive claim "there is no god" is Stephen Hawking.
>>768797549
>theists burgers on 4chan projecting this hard
>>768797882
You are fagot it's called Gaelic you retarded ass clown, not Irish you cunt.
>>768797871
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Theists 0
Atheists 9999999999999999999
/thread
>>768797560
So we're going to play the "is nothing something" game until we've fruitlessly exhausted it and met in agnosticism that still undermines organized religion?
Plot twist: I believe in the concept of God personally, but the thread is about religion and I'm not about that life for reasons I've already given.
>>768797993
No! You the Gay Lick!!! You dick sucking faggot!!!
>>768790270
religion isn't about truth but discipline, valor , spirituality and building an homogenous society and to achieve that you have to rely on tales. Still better than being kust a customer
>>768798008
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Theists 9999999999999999
Atheists 0
/thread
btw i'm a grille
>>768796880
God you're a fucking loser who tried to debate on 4chan.
>>768797841
Why does everything have to have a cause? That seems to be impossible.
Universe needs a first cause. Something can’t come from nothing. First prime mover is God.
Why can’t athiesms not understand that? They actually think stuff can come from nothing? LOL!!
>>768792348
what do you name god ?
>>768798107
No you the gay lick you cock mongling fagot
>>768798133
I don't care if everyone's trolling, arguments are fun.
>>768798115
you can do all of that without a religion and all horrible shit that religion brings with it
>>768790579
edge detected
It is not sufficient that I succeed – all others must fail.
A person is more work to break his enemies, drive them before him, and of them all is to hear the screams of those they loved.
An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure.
I’m going by the law, so that peace and happiness in the world there are hard and fast rule.
I will rule them by fixed laws so that rest and happiness shall prevail in the world.
In the space of seven years I have succeeded in accomplishing a great work and uniting the whole world in one Empire.
A leader can never be happy until his people are happy.
Come and sip from the cup of destruction
The strength of a wall is neither greater nor less than the courage of the men who defend it.
The merit in action lies in finishing it to the end.
If lies can show the truth, they can be the truth, they can cause the truth, so I may build an empire on lies, but they are the truth.
With Heaven’s aid I have conquered for you a huge empire. But my life was too short to achieve the conquest of the world. That task is left for you.
One arrow alone can be easily broken but many arrows are indestructible.
Remember, you have no companions but your shadow.
Perhaps my children will live in stone houses and walled towns – Not I.
Oh people, know that you have committed great sins. If you ask me what proof I have for these words, I say it is because I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you!
Conquering the world on horseback is easy; it is dismounting and governing that is hard.
Heaven grew weary of the excessive pride and luxury of China I am from the Barbaric North. I wear the same clothing and eat the same food as the cowherds and horse-herders. We make the same sacrifices and we share our riches. I look upon the nation as a new-born child and I care for my soldiers as though they were my brothers.
>>768798118
Show bobs and vagene
Theists 0
Atheists 999999999999999999999999
/thread
Who’s the best pornstar?
>>768790270
i dont get why people still think science and religion are still mutually exclusive...
>>768798242
Nope, yer that faggot. You like your coffee like you like your men, light and sweet!
>>768798296
What anime is this?
>>768798385
Bella Abzug
>>768798249
yeah, we saw that, western europe is far better now they abandoned christianism, societies are a lot more peacefull and heterogenous and the traditionnal values and families are still strong....
>>768798396
because religion has motivation bias
>>768798497
"Can he hang from a thread?
Take a look over head"
>>768798139
I didn't say everything has to have a cause. I said everything that comes into existence has a cause. And I say that because all of our experiences and knowledge tell us that something can't come from nothing. There are things that may not have a cause, but they are necessary and have always existed. They never started existing, but instead have always existed.
>>768798579
yeah let's go back to the middle ages!!!
>>768798551
Hot
>>768798695
I'm 54, I'm already middle aged
>>768798507
The suppa ultra seekrut historee of the mogoes, - A-1 pictures
>>768798753
Yeah man! That's what I'm talking about!
>>768790270
The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle disproves determinism. So... what now?
>>768798014
Yes, we can play that game. Physicists will tell you that a vacuum is not nothing. It is a physical object that can have energy, pressure, etc. That is something.
>>768790270
God is for real.
Grow up!
>>768798684
>everything that comes into existence has a cause
once again someone claiming to know how the beginning of TIME AND SPACE works because they read in their highschool physics book that 'matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed'. And once again I ask how you know that the beginning of TIME AND SPACE AND REALITY AS WE KNOW IT works to the same rules as we see after the big bang.
>>768798684
We know that matter can come into existence without a cause, we've observed it happening. The laws of physics are really just statistical averages. It's just certain things are really unlikely to happen.
>>768799004
Checkmate, athiests.
>>768798695
what middle age ? Please just try thinking and stop being so cliché. Compare with poland for exemple, its not middle age there
>>768798930
Uncertainty principal is not observer effect.
>>768799016
So you're going to claim that things worked differently back at the very origin of reality? What proof do you have for that? Because changing the rules is the only way you can explain the origin of things? You're just begging the question if that's the case.
>>768798930
It doesn't prove free will though.
>>768799004
witch one? ;)
atheists: 9999
theists: -1
>>768793279
Pls add fidget spinner into this pic
>>768799186
the middle ages in western europe. try actually reading those retarded scribbles you call a post - you said it right there!
>>768790270
Humanity is God
We are collectively, the greatest aspect of this universe
God's only exist because we decide they do, whether they exist or not is irrelevant.
They do not exist without us
We are God
>>768798246
no they're not
>>768799548
Who would win. God or one space rock.
>>768799062
What matter has been observed being created without a cause? Just curious.
>>768799316
Exactly the same amout of proof that religiofags have for their magic man.
The difference is science is activley seekig the answers. Religion is not, it's happy with the fairy tale that's now millenia old, at best poorly sourced and at worst a cynical mind-control tool.
>>768798980
There is no absolute vacuum.
One partile per 3 square meters.
>>768799316
i'm claiming we don't know anything about before the big bang (because we don't) - you're the one claiming to know that how things work after the big bang are the same they work before the big bang without any logical deduction or evidence. it seems to me that just maybe things might have worked a bit differently before space and time existed. i don't know why anyone would claim to know that 'because things work like this now then they MUST have worked like that before the existence of reality, right'? i mean you must have some incredible proof for that, surely.
>>768798980
Sounds like you're describing a pressure differential around a vacuum instead of the vacuum itself. Can you describe the composition of the material inside an evacuated chamber? This shit gets semantic really quick.
It's not really what I was getting at either way. It sets up the notion that the continuous existence of the universe is not invariably correlated with the continuous existence of God. It doesn't disprove it by itself, but I'm not the one making a positive claim here. We're not even getting into upper bounds with Aquinasian triangles and the uncertainty principle, etc.
>>768799701
How big is the space rock?
>>768800084
Big enough to turn the earth into a giant oven.
>>768795365
>who the fuck cares if there is a god or not?
I’m glad you asked. The people who care are the ones who can’t stand the thought of being forced to subsidise the scammers in the religion business via their tax-exempt status
>>768795639
Which god?
>>768799941
But science (or should I say scientism) is absolutely opposed to God or the supernatural. The universe was created from nothing? There must be a naturalistic explanation we've yet to find. Oh, the universe is extremely fine-tuned for life? There must be an infinite number of unobservable universes out there to explain how we got lucky with this one.
>>768796570
Which god?
>>768795365
Arguing forces me to articulate my beliefs clearly. Arguing also puts my beliefs out there to be criticized so I know which of my beliefs need to be updated.
>>768800466
>But science (or should I say scientism) is absolutely opposed to God
Not true. If there was any evidence for it, science would explore it. But there's not, so it doesn't.
>>768797226
>Telling lies for jesus
>>768800181
Is the rock facing away from god or are they looking at eachother head on?
>>768800182
Also the ones who know how much wealth the vatican owns while preaching for charity donations for the starving little kids.
And the ones who have tried to count the total acres of land christians own while preaching about some poor bum on welfare who doesn't need to pay tax.
Or the people who know where they've invested.
The people who want abortions because their dad raped them and the child is killing them.
Or the people who get molested and are told they're going to hell for it.
>>768796570
Why does the universe needs a first cause? Why does that first cause have to be god? Why does god not need a first cause when the universe does?
>>768790579
>your
>dumb
>>768790484
Wow, that actually makes sense....unless you think about it.
>>768800466
No. Science is unbiased. If scientific research proved beyond doubt that god existed, any rational scientist would accept that as fact. That's just how it works. But you need proof first.
>>768800713
Well I was replying to a comment that said humanity was god, so god is facing many different directions, and I'm not sure which side of the rock is the face.
