What's your stance on the universe anon?
Do you think we are here because of a higher power? Or do you think otherwise
Please share
>>768754834
>Do you think we are here because of a higher power?
Yes, this.Especially because of stuff like the Golden Ratio.
Define "higher power". A stellar object is certainly a "higher power" than I am.. so yes, I'd say we are here because of a "higher power". If we're talking about some mystical fairy floating in the sky sending his "son" to die for us and all that shit.. no. Mythology is mythology no matter the region of the world it comes from.
>>768754960
Pretty much this. We are star stuff, but there's no reason to believe in gods.
>>768754960
So you believe matter just created itself?
My personal belief is that there is a higher intelligence, we just can't comprehend or understand it yet.
We can't understand the idea that something came from nothing, so there are too many pieces of the puzzle that are missing.
>>768755600
How did I know it'd be you again? Fuck off.
Reminder for the newfags: sage goes in every field.
>>768755600
Not him, but...
>So you believe matter just created itself?
No.
>My personal belief is that there is a higher intelligence
Did the higher intelligence just create itself?
>We can't understand the idea that something came from nothing
Who says that there was nothing at some point?
>there are too many pieces of the puzzle that are missing
When you don't know, that's as far as you can go. Missing pieces isn't an excuse to make stuff up.
>>768755721
Calling someone new when I've been on b for as long as I can remember.. also not real relevant to discussing the subject at hand.
>>768755737
The answer to most of those is "we don't know". It's all speculation as to why/how we're here.
Maybe it's the human condition of wanting to find purpose/reason to things, but I believe there is some sentience behind the universe, if not the universe itself. There are simply far too many things we don't understand. Humans haven't even set foot on our nearest planet, yet we pretend to know a lot about how the universe functions.
>>768755867
Oh look, a newfag who doesn't realize he's a newfag.
>as long as I can remember!
So you're.. 6? I'll help you out, Retardo. "As long as I can remember" is about as useless as "one of the only". They're both ignorant statements that mean.. absolutely nothing.
>>768756097
>I believe there is some sentience behind the universe, if not the universe itself
Why?
>>768756254
Good one newfag.
>>768756254
lol ur such flaming faggot keep going bro go get him.
well from a LOG ical standpoint i think we are all on one great big log dropped by none other than our hero andy
>>768755600
He's actually right. There are planes of existence that we can't comprehend. Our brains are wired for this physical universe and we have no way of knowing what's outside of it.
>>768757217
If we have no way of knowing what's outside of it, how can you claim to know that there are planes of existence outside of it?
>>768754834
The universe can be explained without a higher power. I see no reason to assume a higher power exists.
>>768757217
>We have no way of knowing what's outside of our universe.
>There must be something outside of our universe.
>>768755600
Matter might have always existed. The problem with the first cause argument is that it brings up the question of what created god, so it doesn't bring us any closer to explaining how the universe came to be.
Matter has existed for infinity and the universe is infinite in scale.
Each big bang is localized and infinitely repeating.
I always though the multiverse theory and creationism to be wack
An unfathomably endless plain of chaos. Human beings are just a flare up of circumstance, and there's been plenty of times where we have been at the tipping point of no return for survival. We've managed to avoid that, but I think it will happen. Sentience has gotten us far, but it won't be far enough.
>>768754834
We are a massive coincidence. Modern humans originated around 2.6 million years ago, the dinosaurs ruled the planet for a total of 66 million years. If the KT event that killed them hadn't occured there'd be no reason that they wouldn't still be the apex predator on the planet in the same condition they were in (ie not intelligent, just efficient at survival.)
Humans got a lucky break and already we're fucking it up (islands of plastic in the ocean when it's only been invented for just over a hundred years, greenhouse gas emissions fucking the climate, etc.), we're going to be the species that burns bright and fast.
The fact that we can see billions of lightyears and haven't seen any intelligent life or ruins of ancient civilisation shows that we really really got lucky on the evolutionary front, no other planet in a fucking huuuge radius has even produced any form of life, let alone life like us.
>>768758434
Statistically, other advanced civilizations have to exist.
>>768759129
If you make certain assumptions, other advanced civilizations are extremely likely to exist. That doesn't mean they do.
>>768755600
we can understand that sum of nothing came out of nothing and remained nothing
>universe likely formed from a 0 dimensional dot that in itself expanded to a large degree
>the energy that made this expansion is genneraly reffered to as dark energy
>now since the energy of starting "one dot universe" was likely 0 or around 0 Joules a high amount of energy was left in this now created vacuum of space-time
>this energy can be created into mass by forming particle-antiparticle
>we observed that particle-antiparticle pairs form and collapse constantly still in our universe to this day
>there is more particles than antiparticles in universe either by poor redistribution of antiparticles that remained hidden until they decayed
>or the higg's field seems to be in slightest favor of particles rather than antiparticles, meaning for every lets say a billion particles and billion antiparticles one more particle gets created, one billion and one billion annihilate, leaving a one particle
cont
>This is basically how I see it
God's mates walk up to him and say 'hey God, what's up?'
'Not much, just working on my model universe'
'Oh yeah looks sick as fuck, God. Anyway, we are headed to the pub, wanna come?'
'Oh I can't, I've still got to fix the physics engine, theres a bunch of bugs with the really big shit and the really small shit'
'Ah fuck that, no species is going to evolve to the point where they figure that out'
'Yeah I guess, fuck it, lets go to the pub'
>And that is why quantum physics and general relativity are so wack
>>768755737
Missing pieces is one of the major factors contributing to existential crises. The result existential crises are personal and each are valid to the individual. Even if you acknowledge that your attempts to fill the gaps and figure an answer to the absurdity of your existence is inperfect and incomplete, its still your answer. That's all you have to give yourself meaning.
>>768754834
I’m for it.
>>768759256
It seems mathematically impossible that we are the only life in existence however wether we are the only advaned life is debatable
>>768759656
>It seems mathematically impossible
No, it seems statistically improbable. That's not the same.
>>768759547
Or you can just realize that your existential crisis is pointless and move on with life without an answer.
>>768759838
Accepting that you don't know is still a resolution.
>>768759894
The correct one it would seem.
>>768754834
Joey Diaz is the second coming of Christ, so yea, I think there's a higher power
>>768759992
There's no correct one. People have existential crises because they realize life may be pointless, so the pointlessness of the crisis in your experience is up to you. Other people need affirmation in something else and that's equally valid because we don't have enough information to confirm or deny any answers to the question.
>>768759332
>>768755600
>the energy released from particle-antiparticle annihilation still remains in space-time, thus new particle-antiparticle pairs keep getting formed until most of the energy gets converted into stable matter
matter didn't create itself, matter aswell as antimatter is a natural response to high energy level of a vacuum space
we may not exist as anything more than a planck lenght of the 5th dimension space
the only way an intelligent designer could create our universe would be if they kickstarted the whole dark energy expansion on the inside (but not on the outside) stick
but then again there would be no considerable way of them crossing the threshold of entering that universe since they take up several gajillion of times more space than our own universe does in their dimension
photons of highest wavelenght and amplitude of our universe wouldn't come near the photons of smallest wavelenght and amplitude of their universe
and by the end of the day the only conciveable way to asure our existance would be to kickstart the same process in infinitely many smallest measures of space concievable, creating infinitely many parallel universes with infinitely possibilities how we end up as
thus making us insignificant in the whole scheme of this higher intelligence things
shit, no wonder I never got and never will get any ass in my life
>inb4 didn't read lol
your mistake, not mine
>>768760311
That you don't have enough information to confirm or deny any answers to the question (which isn't necessarily true for all answers by the way) means that you don't know. Therefore, it is correct that you don't know.
>>768754834
we are the type of virus described in the matrix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rvuueqs3vI
>>768759129
Yeah statistics say they should be everywhere, but the fact is that as far as we can observe they're not, that is testament to how rare the circumstances for intelligent life are
>>768760428
Some people need a more solid belief in something, and since we don't know we can't consider that a fault. I believe humans are incapable of perceiving most of the universe, and because of that we'll never be able to know if there is a higher power. Science and math may be the best methods we can come up with, but I believe they're likely flawed due to our natural limits. I don't have proof and don't expect any. My girlfriend believes in God but doesn't have proof and doesn't expect any. Both opinions are equal.
the universe is only about niggers and how they are oppressed
>>768760753
>since we don't know we can't consider that a fault
Yes, we can, because we don't know. They are pretending to know something that they don't.
>Both opinions are equal.
They clearly are not.
>>768760971
You're affirming belief in something we can't prove. Your belief isn't anymore enlightened than either of ours.
>>768761143
Except I can prove it, by your own admission.
I don't know. My mind was blown for the first time when I thought how the universe was created, where did everything come from, atoms, protons, electrons, quarks, gluons. Where did quarks come from and what are they made from? How does anything exist?
It's hard to think that I'm here for someone or something after learning about what we're actually made of. Yet the lights are still on. What's that about?
>>768760455
bull fucking shit
every animal instinctively multiplies/uses up resources in order to multiply/moves to another area once no more resources are insufficient
the only way to achieve equilibrium is to have natural predators, and since humans developed beyond the natural predators becoming their predators humans have been exploading in population
it's as if you were feeding of the crops, grasshoppers came and ate the crops, multiplied and kept eating crops, so you got the birds to eat grasshoppers, birds multiplied and they started doing chaos with crops since now there are no grasshoppers
you finnaly opt out to get couple of cats that eat the birds, they multiply and eat too many and now theres no one to eat geasshoppers
you eat the cats until there is enough cats to eat enough birds to eat enough grasshoppers to eat enough crops but not too many just so you can all sustain yourself
if the population isn't regulated by a a higher predator (be it disease, carnivore, other humans) it's doomed to overpopulate/spend all resources/move and spend resources there
1-2 child policy should be mandatory everywhere, from merica to aprika to indiana, there is no excuse for being a stupid retard that fucks the system by overpopulation
The many worlds theory is correct
>>768761355
just binge watch pbs science, read some quantum physics books and don't come near big banga theorem since it potrays science in a lerverted way
>>768761440
prove it faggot
show me a parallel universe or a proof of a parallel universe
>>768761242
Did I? Maybe I mispoke (typed)? You can believe it, which is fine. I don't even really think you can prove you can't prove the existence or nonexistence of God or the purpose of life. Maybe Moses did speak with god as a burning bush, or maybe science is a perfect system that can answer the question of the origin of the universe. I chose not to believe either because it's comfortable to me.
>>768754834
my stance is that evidnce support rapid expansion and growth in complexity over time, meaning universe started as an infinitely small point of energy and then expanded into spacetime and matter
theres no evidence of any kind of higher power. What is the higher power u talk bout, even? U obviously tak bout gods, who r universe-creating wizards, that also offer afterlife. Show 1 evidence for that
>>768754834
eyy getting doug with high
>>768761512
>I don't even really think you can prove you can't prove the existence or nonexistence of God or the purpose of life.
Whether it is possible or not to prove such things, the fact remains that such things have not been proven. Until they have been proven, we don't know. The proof of my position is that no one has proven the existence or nonexistence of God or the purpose of life.
>>768761508
It's unfalsifiable
>>768761962
That isn't proof.
>>768762031
No it's not however there is no need for evidence
>>768761835
I can agree with that. I'm also accepting of people who can't. Some people need a god or science to get on, and it takes all kinds.
all of existence is the result of a sentient universe attempting to experience itself. it will persist until every possible outcome of every possible choice has occurred. this is why rocks generally remain rocks while the animal kingdom is more diverse and fluent in its changes. the human condition is most variable because of our own sentience and unborn desire to change our surroundings and our situation in the world
>>768754834
Lol talking about universe with a still of Joey on the set of getting doug with high
>>768762094
Then there's no reason to believe it's true.
>>768762222
You can accept someone while acknowledging that they're wrong.
>>768754834
Love you Uncle Joey
>>768762245
There is no reason then, in that respect, to believe its untrue
truth be told I have so much shit I need to do/get accomplished throughout every day of every week that I don't stop and think about it like I used to
maybe there's a god or something. I doubt that. more like a higher power in the form of a race/species that exists as an energy or something. whatever it is, it's probably beyond our comprehension
>>768759656
We only have one example of life existing. It's hard to extrapolate that to the entire universe.
>>768762308
Hence why you shouldn't hold belief in it either way.
>>768762279
I don't know if they're wrong. And even so, yes, unless they believe in something I find morally undemnable. That's how society works.
>>768762435
Why do you believe this?
>>768762534
The only thing I believe, is that I will be having another beer
>>768754834
we're not here for any reason- it's purely coincidence that life exists to this degree on this planet, in 10^100 this planet and the universe will not exist and everything will have been for nothing
but i get depressed thinking about that so i dont
>>768762588
You do know that they are wrong about knowing. Whether their answer is ultimately true or not, they don't actually know it.
>>768762534
This. If you don't know if something is true, but you make the claim that it's true or false, you're being dishonest.
Claiming to know something you don't know is dishonest.
There is no purpose to life, but that doesn't mean you can't find meaning and enjoy it. Nothing happens for a reason, no one belongs anywhere, everything and everyone you love will one day be gone forever, we are all heading to the endless black. You didn't exists before you were born, and you won't exist after you die. I just want to meet someone who doesn't have their own 'great' ideas about the universe, admits the above, and will just enjoy the short ride with me as much as possible.
>>768761440
The many worlds interpretation is one of many valid interpretations of quantum mechanics. It hasn't been proven true or false yet.
>>768755600
>matter can't create itself
>an invisible cosmic jewish zombie wizard can tho
>>768762866
It's unfalsifiable
>>768762664
10^100 what? planck times? miliseconds? seconds? days? years? millenia? is that an arbitrary number that you're pulling out of your ass or is there some evidence that in proximately 10^100 all will be gone due to decay
There is no purpose .
Life is pain , to be alive is to suffer and degrade.
Earth exists and has evolved as such because of almost unfathomable probability .
We know the observable universe is so massive that the probability of other life forms existing is still relatively high , and it is very possible that some of that life has evolved further then we have.
Without getting into the Fermi paradox I believe that "aliens" somewhere in the universe which are much more advanced then we are have most likely realized that to be alive and breathing kinda sucks , and figured out how to transfer consciousness into digital form and are using there sun to power a mega matrix like virtual reality where beings can live for millions of years in a better state of consciousness then reality . Perhaps that is why we haven't made contact because they are literally living in a virtual reality far surperior to true reality and couldn't give two fucks about contacting other civilizations or worlds because war, greed , country music etc .
We clearly overvalue ourselves.
We believe our consciousness is something unique but we can't even define what it is.
We are a product of the laws of physics and that's all. We're just here to encrease enthropy
>>768762987
It's useful for physisists to keep multiple interpretations in mind when working on a problem. Sometimes a problem can be solved more easily with one interpretation than another.
>>768754834
Joey Coco Diaz is hilarious
You guys realize proof only exists in mathematics, right? Everything else is just speculation, and if we're going to be honest, narrative mythologization. Even the very idea of "matter" is a myth. A useful myth.
As Max Planck said 'the scale creates the phenomenon.' So, for example, the idea of the atom was falsified by quantum mechanics at the beginning of the 20th century. But without the idea of atoms, you can't possibly do chemistry, so we put up with the fiction out of practical expedience. Science is 100% utilitarian and has nothing to do with what is true or real, only what is useful.
Same goes for the heliocentric theory of the solar system. Our solar system, we know, is revolving around a massive galactic core at unthinkably high speeds. If you want to draw the shape of our solar system, its more like a sort of helix function, and the earth draws not a circle, but a really complex floral pattern through spacetime, revolving not around the sun, but around a galactic center which is itself travelling at an even grater velocity, etc., etc.
Our ideas of 'higher' and 'intelligence' are just laughably parochial. We are like little bees living in our beehive outside of CERN, wondering if there's anyone bigger than the queen.
I don't think we're born with souls, but I do think some of us have the potential to create one. Probably none of you retards though.
>>768761835
" Show me 1 evidence "
Write that on your tomb stone
>>768763365
That last sentence guarantees you are a faggot
