Why does West allowes Israel to murder Palestinians every single week for the last 70 years and ongoing?
>>768753789
The West is all controlled by Jews, why would they want to stop other Jews?
>>768754102
all white people come from iraq (mesopotamia). if you're white, you can't NOT be jewish. there's no way you're not mixed.
>>768754180
I call bullshit.
If you're going back that far everyone is a nigger first.
Because fuck arabs
>>768753789
>allow
Seriously... "allow?" We send Isreal, one of the wealthiest countries on earth billions of dollars in aid to HELP them do it.
What kinda cuck cares about the Palestinian whiners
>>768755475
And then you wonder why 9/11 and refugees happened.
>>768753789
Why wouldn't we? What would we gain from helping Palestinians and antagonizing Israel?
>>768755546
Islam.
>>768753789
Wait until they start WW3 by attacking Iran.
>>768755579
Let's just move Israel to Panama or some shit
>Runs at IDF throwing molotovs and trying to set up IEDS
>Cries murder when shot for being violent retards
Have Palestinians just developed a taste for tear gas and being humiliated?
>>768753789
Because all Palestinians are terrorists and subhumans. And other countries deny Israel's right to exist. And Hamas is coercing Palestinians to march to the border and get shot.
>>768755546
Yeah... I don't think think anyone wonders about that. Pretty much Islam.
>>768755595
>This nuanced
Go on champ
>>768755595
The longer you think that's the sole reason, you're absolutely fucked. The West is.
But keep supporting the Army and the president who have no real business in the Middle East.
>>768755632
RIP Colombia
>>768755632
Having Israel in the Middle East is strategically valuable.
>>768755716
This.
>>768755799
You're right. Another reason is that the West stopped Muslims from committing genocide. Seriously though, the only way to satisfy the demands of terrorists would be to kill ourselves.
>>768755897
You're not smart because you're trying to be sarcastic. That's entry level /pol/ drivel.
Osama Bin Laden literally said Americans need to fuck off from Middle East and that's why he and his people orchestrated 9/11.
>>768755999
And the hundreds of thousands of dead rag-heads that have followed that attack should really be a wake up call that we don't give a rats fucking ass what people want.
>>768756105
Unfortunately there are also a couple Canadian doctors in that pile now. Israeli soldiers aren't very disciplined.
>>768755810
Also Israel wants Jerusalem, even if we didn't have any strategic value (which we do) we couldn't get them to move out without all out war
>>768756105
>we don't give a rats fucking ass what people want.
>fuck yeah MURICA!!
The world is better off when you and your family dies.
>>768755999
That we 'interfered' in the Middle East by preventing genocide is literally one of reasons they gave. They want us to fuck off from the Middle East so they can continue in their efforts to make it the shittiest place on Earth. There's nothing sarcastic about what I said.
because palestinians are mudslimes that deserves a bullet in the neck.
>either you pro-kike or pro-mudslime
>>768756174
I mean neither are we, (meaning US) Didnt we bomb a doctors without borders hospital not that long ago? Unfortunate shit for sure.
>>768755799
>no real business in the Middle East.
What is oil.
>>768755999
Osama never took credit for 911.
911 was a bank heist, nothing else.Explain how 940 million dollars in gold disappears.
>It uh melted in the basement.
Is that why there was a crushed van with gold still in it?
Is that why you could only find 60 odd milion dollars worth of it?
>It shrunk because of heat.
Kek.
>>768756253
The strong get to push over the weak and enforce their will, I'm sorry this truth that has been around since we were single cell organisms is fucking lost on you
>>768755799
It is the sole reason. Any time I hear some retard like you bring up how the west intervened and destroyed the middle east, I ask them this: The west also destroyed the Jews during the holocaust through Hitler. The Jews rose from the ahses and became our CEOs and Hollywood bosses. The west also annihilated Hiroshima and Nagasaki after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Today, Japan lies as one of the greatest, freest, most economical countries on the planet. The Turks wiped out Armenians during the Armenian genocide. And today, Armenians are doing better than those turks today.
What do all of these examples have in common? All of them got their shit together to rebuild. So why in the living fuck are Muslim countries so inept at it?
Islam. That's why.
>>768753789
Islam is a greater threat. Any Jew who helps eradicate these savages rather than help them (like Soros) is okay in my book.
>>768756364
>What is oil
Yes you fucking genius. Making up excuses to get MOAR OIL HURR. Thanks for proving me right moron.
>>768753789
>>>/pol/
If you are too much if a faggots to post there
>>>/bant/
You dumb niggers have shitted this board up enough
>>768756400
>retard citing this from memory and not looking at what he's replying to
I never said "West destroyed" it. I explained why anti-gringo Terrorism is a thing these days.
>>768756552
Yes, because gringos aren't Muslim. That's the point.
>>768756512
I'm sorry, are we interrupting your cock rate threads and child porn?
>>768754102
FPBP
>>768756607
I bet you never read or listen to the messages the terrorists give. It's always some bitter stuff towards Westerners for "intervening". All you care about is "dey izlam dey bad". Fucking FOX news brainlet.
JIDF go
>>768756655
Cock rate goes to >>>/soc/
Loli >>>/trash/
They are just as much cancer as you
>>768753789
Because Holocaust™
>>768756400
hilariously stupid with no scope whatsoever, go on!
Then kill half your family so the rest will be stronger.
>>768756708
The terrorists LITERALLY published a magazine citing the reason why. They LITERALLY explained the reason why they hate us and why they want to kill us. It was the name of the fucking chapter you chromosomally deficient mutant. Page 30: “Why We Hate You and Why We Fight You.” Read it.
http://clarionproject.org/wp-content/uploads/islamic-state-magazine-dabiq-fifteen-breaking-the-cross.pdf
>>768756443
>Thanks for proving me right moron.
Wtf are you on?
Oil is the only reason any war has happened for america since nam. Why are you calling me a moron for understanding this basic fucking knowledge?
Most wars are fought for profit anon. Oil is a real business and makes a shit ton of money so america does have a real business in the middle east.
in the case of the US, it's because of evangelical Christianity.
in the case of Europe, I assume it's guilt.
it's all about power.
if you don't actively seek to get to power then you are a looser.
also other who seek to reach power don't succeed because they are alone. Even if they succeed no one will pursue that goal in such an active way. so they loose anyways.
In conclusion those who control the world decide what other do. (because if you don't decide then you obey or support) you get the point
>>768757007
Oh wow, look at that, the reason is because Islam. Fucking shocker.
>>768757035
>Oil is the only reason any war has happened for america since nam
I mean, this is true of the two Gulf Wars, but it's not easy to fit with Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti, or Grenada, and it's a bit of a bank shot for Afghanistan.
>>768757007
Fucking kek this is propaganda by ISIL which is/was an extrememist Islamic movement.
But did you notice on the cover this quote?
>The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify - by Allah’s permission - until it
burns the Crusader armies in Dabiq.
>t. Abu Mus’ab az-Zarqawi
This quote alone proves wrong everything you've said
>>768757144
>if you don't actively seek to get to power then you are a looser.
Bullshit, i'm not as insecure as you.
>because if you don't decide then you obey or support
What is a criminal?
Also
>looser
Loose >not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached.
"a loose tooth"
Learn to spell.
>>768757157
Ok, maybe not oil.
Profit though for sure.
>>768757254
Just one post ago you lambasted me for not listening or reading the messages the terrorists give. Now I provide you with a manifesto of that message, and you tell me it's wrong?
>>768757007
What do you think makes more sense:
1) America intervenes in majority muslim countries and destabalizes it, makes people's live real shitty, that still hasn't stopped to this day. People start revolting and growing anti Us sentiment. So people start using that sentiment and religious fervor to gain power
OR
2) Mudslimes are more stupid than the average human and fall for the trap of Islam which is a death cult that has hatred for the west for some reason
>>768757572
Think for a second,
What is more reliable info you get from literal propaganda or or their actual demands?
>>768757572
I literally just told you why it's wrong. You don't seem to read your own fucking links.
>>768757580
Well option 2 is the one thats proven correct pretty much on a daily basis so.... 2?
>>768757580
2 makes more sense, because their anti-US sentiment wouldn't explain all the terrorism, rape, child rape, arson, battery, acid attacks currently happening in countries like Sweden and Belgium. These people hate AMerica, but then turn around and target Europeans? That doesn't sound like an inbred mongrel race to you?
>>768753789
TL,DR:
- Jews managed to run banks and financial systems
- thus Jews leveraged the money power to control politics
- then Jews literally destroyed any career of non-blackmailable person (including my career)
- they also have media power
- anyone hurrdurring for Palestinians get instantly rekt (or just labeled "antisemitic herpderp terrorist friend")
Example:
- noone wanted Killary as warmongering President
- Trump was a good guy promising to Make America Great Again
- as soon as Trump gets elected, he magically becomes a Jewish slave
- mfw I spent all of my time for entire months to help him win and MAGA, yet I found I helped Zionism
>>768757690
>"we hate women"
>"therefore we go out of our ways and comfort zones to build bombs and kill nonbelievers and not because we're raided by oil suckers"
I estimate your IQ to be between 5 and 10.
>>768757794
>Sweden and Belgium
If you hadn't noticed the European countries have joined the US and went to Middle East with them.
I estimate your IQ to be between 4 and 9.
You don't know what the fuck is happening in the world. It's just embarrassing.
>>768757690
>>768757794
So if that is true why haven't the 3 M muslim in US revolted and turned the country to shit?
Answer: because it has to do with socio economic situation more than religious or ethnic situation.
>>768757674
You didn't explain jack shit. You said a quote alone proves the magazine false. I'm still waiting on the why you fucking retard.
>>768753789
Your hero.
>>768758022
Because theres not enough of them to do shit and they know it. theyd just get gunned down like the mongoloid pavement apes are on a regular basis.
>>768757794
Europe is also partly responsible for destabilizing the middle east+ all this is explained by the fact that since the area has economic stability and mobility, most of them are poor
And poor people do terrible things, almost always because being poor sucks
>>768758009
Uh no you fucking inbreed, Sweden and Belgium did not follow the US into the middle east. Britain did. Not them. They have done nothing but welcome refugees into their countries and provided them with all the lovey dovey care packages paid for on the tax payers dime, and this is how they get repaid. Explain how that makes sense to you.
>>768757926
>>768758009
i estimate you has a 3 inch pianist
>>768757821
Congrats on breaking the conditioning let's purge this cancer so we can have a pre 2011 redo. Redirect the faggots to correct boards and sage and slide.
>>768755799
so there are other larger brainwashed herds of niggers that kill themselves and mass murder? i don't see christian priests blowing up mosques
>>768758168
>because being poor sucks
Can confirm, am poor.
>>768758165
but you said they were stupid unreasonable mongrels?
+ they believe if they die as martyrs they get 100 virgins and unicorns or whatever
>>768758022
Because they are literally just 1% of the population you fucking retard. There are many many countries with socioeconomic problems that don't suffer a fraction of the problems that Muslim theocracies do.
>>768758055
The quote proved me right.
Imagine being a Nazi or a Zionist or an extreme Wahhabist or something. You are going to use the same rhetoric and try to rationalize why you hate others, to great lengths, diverging from the original cause, to give more reasons to destroy others. Pathetic incels will buy this propaganda and often will not know or care about actual reasons or history. I see this all the time everywhere. That's what sheep do. You are a sheep. You don't think.
>>768758277
You have internet and don't live in a warzone, not to diss you or anything but in the west our poor are not in the same conditions as theirs even tho it still does suck
>>768758272
you're right they usually just shoot with guns in the west
>>768758286
No I didn't, I said they were stupider than average and joined the death cult of Islam. They are still smart enough to use tactics. Like waiting till there are enough of them. A majority of them still want sharia law, they just know they can't fucking have it here.
>>768758168
Europe destabilized the Jews during WWII. Why don't we suffer from Jewish terrorism?
>>768758403
>west our poor are not in the same conditions as theirs
Some of them are. Just not the same amount.
>>768758548
>Why don't we suffer from Jewish terrorism?
What is hollywood.
>>768753789
US politicians are scared shitless of Israel. I have no idea why. Israel is a shitty little country. And that's on a good day.
>>768758652
>Supports the only Democracy in the middle East
WAOW WHY ARE YOU SCARED SHITLESS OF THEMMMM????
>>768758328
So we should just not believe the terrorists when they give us a reason then? You tell me to listen and read the messages the terrorists give us, and when they do, and I read and listen to them, you tell me it's just propaganda. Literally anything can be dismissed as propaganda. What else can you possibly expect anyone to do to listen to the terrorists then?
>>768758306
So what 3 M people is more than enough to fuck a country up from the inside?
my question literally was mudslimes are too stupid and fall in the trap of a death cult that hates the west. If that is true why don't they all do it what is the biggest deifference between one in Afghanistan and one in the Us?
IDK what the point of the second was
>>768753789
>y those have $0!!?
>>768758538
Do you know what Sharia is? Because I don't think you do
>>768758782
No. It's not. You're talking about a country with 300 million people, and you think 3 million is enough to do it?
>>768758782
No it fucking isn't retard, especially not a country as spread out as the US. And there isn't a difference, when polled they both want the same thing. But in Afghanistan they are a majority and can get away with it. In America there are more guns than people. This is why there are places in the UK that practice Sharia law. They fucking want it here, they want to kill gays and they don't get to. So they fucking wait and vote for more rapefugees.
>>768758782
3 million people against all of america is a lost cause.
Why would you start shit just to lose?
Look at any other country with a higher percentage of muslims and you'll see how they play the game.
>>768758739
>be warmongering oil sucker
>attempt to "install democracy" in the middle east without anyone asking for it
>ask why middle easterners why they're pissed
>"because you're western nonbeliever dogs"
or
>"because you need to fuck off and stop bombing"
HMM I WONDER WHO I SHOULD LISTEN TO LOL.
>>768758548
Europe or the west as whole didn't do shit German nazis did and then got defeated and judged in international court. This hasn't happened for the muslim countries.
+one could argue zionism and israel is exactly that ( tho I wouldn't)
>>768758601
I'm being real here. Honest question. Why is it that whenever we try to explain Muslim terrorism, that reason always goes back to "Muh socio-economic/le anti-us sentiment" but then the Japanese aren't out terrorising, the Jews aren't out terrorizing, the Armenians aren't out terrorizing, hell even the niggers in America have the common courtesy to to terrorize themselves for the most part.
They are terroiest guys just came to break the line... FUCK THEM! Every country would shoot terror guys. fucking idiot!
>>768759040
Semantics. The point is that bad shit happened to the Jews, and the Jews didn't kill anyone after. And yet here we are today making excuses for some ancient inbred mutant race.
>>768755716
Israelis stealing homes and killing kids is not terrorism? Yeah go suck on rabbi shlomos dick some more
>>768758920
>>768758930
>>768759008
So you people think 3M people inside a country's own border is not enough to terrify a nation and wreak shit, really?
>>768759023
The first one is the reason they gave us. You're now saying we shouldn't listen to the terrorists when they give us a reason? You just can't accept it can you? That the only reason why these people are so fucked in the head is Islam?
>>768753789
> 1. i don't give a shit about Palestina.
> 2. i prefer to have jews and asians in my country MORE then mudslimes and niggers.
> 2a. why ? because they do not fucking annoy me and they do not fucking try to assimilate my country.
> 3. I am fucking german so .... they might still fear (jews) or respect (asians especally japs.) me.
> 4. now fuck off kiddo
> ???
> profit
>>768758930
of course they want sharia it's like their ten commandments, please don't start with that no go zone bullshit
>>768756410
Jews are behind cucking, porn, state debt, and they control your banks. Ofcourse you agree with your kike overlords
>>768759226
Yes. Really. 5% of the population of the UK is Muslim and they're just now starting to see the problems that come with having Muslims in their country. A population of 1% is nothing really.
>>768753789
What is a palestinian?
>>768759145
It's not at all semantics jews got a country after that happened, the people who did it got justice in international court, Germany as a whole got shamed after being defeated by 3 of the most powerful countries to this day.
And today jews aren't as oppressed as they used to be.
>>768759236
>they
You gave a recent propaganda link by ISIL like I said already, you're afraid of pasting any other links or material by e.g. Osama or al-Zarqawi or other terrorists because they prove you wrong.
Go to the Wiki article of 9/11. You will see this:
Motives
Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a 1998 fatwā signed by bin Laden and others, calling for the killing of Americans,[10] are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[41] In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America", he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include:
U.S. support of Israel[42][43]
support for the "attacks against Muslims" in Somalia
support of Philippines against Muslims in the Moro conflict
support for Israeli "aggression" against Muslims in Lebanon
support of Russian "atrocities against Muslims" in Chechnya
pro-American governments in the Middle East (who "act as your agents") being against Muslim interests
support of Indian "oppression against Muslims" in Kashmir
the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia[44]
the sanctions against Iraq[42]
I'm not trying to argue with you for the sake of arguing like it mostly goes on 4chan I'm trying to give you facts and new perspectives instead of "dey izlam dey bad and inbred". Now I'm going to watch a movie.
>>768759049
So am i.
Every culture is different, muslims just have a no compromise kind of attitude in most places whereas jews will compromise like fuck until they get what they need. Blacks and mexicans are terrorizing while being reliant on the system they terrorize and being the focus of the police.
As for japan, they got flat out owned, they're the only ones who've been nuked out of everyone you mentioned and the government they were under was extremely oppressive and they all get kept busy nowadays so they aren't a good example. Besides japan is still kind of isolationist rather than expansionist in it's cultural core unlike muslims and jews who are expansionist. Armenians are another one you can write off, because soviets.
>>768759312
Jews just care about money. That's a far more forgivable character flaw than wanting to take over to install Sharia law. Jews do well in Christian society. They don't do well in Muslim ones. Infact even Muslims don't do well in Muslim society.
>>768759049
why would the japs do shit ?
Jews is explained in this thread
Armenians are in the same situation as the jews
Black people did do it with the black panthers ( and others) then shit got a bit better so it's not as mainstream
>>768759226
Wreak shit? Yes. Win? No. See
>>768759361
Thank god i'm in scotland, too cold up here for muslims.
>>768759607
>Jews just care about money. That's a far more forgivable character flaw than wanting to take over to install Sharia law.
Arguable, money is both the cause and solution to most of the worlds problems.
Also paedophiles in hollywood...
>>768759361
Well then I can't argue with you, it takes only a crew of less than a hundred people to plan a terrorist attack of any proportion. If you think western muslims are exactly like afgan muslims but afraid I can't argue with you
Sorry
>>768759568
You're bringing up a terrorist that was defeated almost 10 years ago. I just gave cited a source showing you why ISIL is targeting the west, and you deflect with this shit? When ISIS says they hate us and want to kill us because we aren't Muslim, in what world does it make sense to you to bring out Osama Bin Laden?
Do you actually think "because you're not Muslim" sounds like a more sympathetic motive to recruit people into a terror cult than "because you support the killing of other Muslim death cults"? If not, then why wouldn't they just use the second one?
>>768759687
What do you think winning means?
>>768759596
So then really what you're saying is that dropping a few nukes in the middle east we reset their societies into order like it did Japan?
>>768759870
>Different forms of terrorism.
How many western muslims are going to defend non-muslims when non westernized muslim in the west start rioting?
>>768759993
Achieving the objective?
gaining, resulting in, or relating to victory in a contest or competition.
Why haven't we stopped the genocide in Tibet? Or against the Royhingya? Or any other tragedy?
>>768760127
I mean what do you think the objective is?
Do you think they want to scare us into inaction or conquer the US and create a universal caliphate
>>768759890
ISIL was an organization that killed people who were not extremist and that included other muslims. It's like "Middle Eastern Resistance Movement". Recent terrorists in the US and Europe adhere to this belief and did terrible things. It started from Osama's goals though ("fuck America") and they were different. Get your head out of your ass.
>>768760278
no oil
Sorry I mean they already have democracy
>>768760016
Not at all.
There are key differences between japanese and muslims. One is a religion the other is a nation.
Even ghengis khan saw the futility of antagonizing religions. You can't win against an insurgency which is what happens with religions.
The romans also learned this the hard way.
You have to strike when they are divided with a reasonable excuse that doesn't offend the religions beliefs. It helps if you then spend a few years helping the religion out while waiting for further opportunities, but let's face it. No-one has wiped a religion out without overwhelming numbers.
Attacking on that scale with such a deadly force will only antagonize EVERYBOD. People will flock to islam after that.
>>768760057
IDK probably a lot since usually whenever something happens that has anything to do with other muslims, they go above and beyond to disavow and help victims
>>768760529
>One is a religion
That's the point. The reason Muslims are so barbaric is because their religion teaches them to be.
>>768760385
>universal caliphate
Implying this isn't in the quran.
But no, the objective varies from person to person and religious head to religious head. No doubt alot of them are reasonable and peaceful while others are hateful and antagonistic like other religion.
See >>768760057 though.
With threat of ostracism and being labelled as infidel(heretic, sympathize, pagan, barbarian etc whatever word can be used) or degenerate(hedonistic, decadent, immoral etc.) themselves people generally follow the crowd for the sake of family or friends. This has happened ALL throughout history and continues to happen everywhere today.
>>768760445
I see. And what about the early Muslim conquests spread throughout the middle east, northern Africa and Southern Europe dating back as far as 700 AD? What was US foreign policy like back then?
>>768753789
>Why does West allowes Israel to murder Palestinians every single week for the last 70 years and ongoing?
Because Palestinians are useless dirty turds who author their own shitty deaths in much the same way as gyppos and niggers who break in to peoples houses and get shot. "He was such a good boy, he dindu nothin, my boy so sweet. The homeowner a criminal, he a murderer, he should go to jail!"
These dirty little sneaky roaches run around flinging rocks and firing rockets from hospitals and civilian houses then cry and whine when their hospital gets rekt. Give me a fucking break. Palestinians are the nigger / chav of the Muslim world and Muslims are already universally fucking stupid.
One kind of sandnigger got owned and is still being owned by another type of sandnigger. Nobody fucking cares, accept your defeat you little queers and stop desperately trying to get sympathy from everyone else. You're the same as affirmative action nogs and people demanding "justice" over the white man invading their lands hundreds or thousands of years ago and subjigating them. If you get fucking beat, it's fair and square. You're inferior. Doubly so if you're a dirty, sneaky, whiny Muslim.
>>768760963
>What about 700AD
>What about the Crusades
>What about the barbaric Vikings
>What about the barbaric Mongols
lmao
>>768761063
I'm not asking about any of those. I'm asking about the early Muslim conquests. This matters in the context you're trying to feed me.
>>768761063
Now he wants to ignore history. lmao.
>>768760989
this. palestinians are the biggest bitches on the planet. literally cause their own shit then demand the rest of the world do something about it. stick_in_bicyle_wheel.jpg
>>768753789
I don’t know what’s more cancerous, Jews or the people they’re attacking. I hope Israel and Palestine nuke each other
>>768756410
that's right focus on the muslims
>>768754297
This, we are all coons. Just our ancestors saw how shitty Africa is and left
>>768761124
I did the exact opposite of ignoring it you illiterate mouthbreather.
>>768761102
You're basically asking me why people did conquests back then. You're a joke and digressing from your point.
>>768760835
>missing the point this much
Whatever, as long as you see everything in black and white, Good and evil, without any nuance you'll never understand the complexityof these issues or politics (especially foreign policy). I suggest taking polsci classes, never too late to learn
>>768761157
Africa was probbly nice to live in during the ice age but when we saw that shit dry up we bailed and everyone else was like.
>Muh traditions
>Muh sacred ancestral land.
>why did this happen
>what did my people do to deserve death
>all they did was run around stabbing people
>and blowing themselves up on public transport
>and throwing bricks at people
>and firing rockets at people
>and shooting at people
>all they did was charge an armed border en masse with weapons and the intent to kill all jews in their path much like they are constantly trying to kill everyone in the world who isn't a muslim
>much like the 5 times a day mass attacks by muslims around the world on non-muslims
>why did the evil jews shoot them down
>>768761341
you idiot, we're talking about palestinians, don't list the actions of all the muslims of the world.
>>768755546
>ITT geopolitics for 12 year olds
>>768755632
Or madagascar
>>768760926
>Implying this isn't in the quran.
Oh no I know it's in there, it's why I thought you would say that.
But I'm happy because right after you expressed my point, that Islam isn't the biggest thing that fucked up muslims
>>768761262
>I did the exact opposite of ignoring it you illiterate mouthbreather.
That explains the greentext then lmao
>You're basically asking me why people did conquests back then. You're a joke and digressing from your point.
My point was that the reasons Muslims are barbaric is because their religion teaches them to be. My point was that you can shove your socio-economic horseshit excuses up your ass because they have nothing to do with the focal problems of Islam.
Your argument is that it's not Islam, and that the root causes are cemented in anti-US sentiment. So then explain what the US had to do with the Muslim conquests from the seventh century all the way to today.
When Muslims conqured Jewish land and gave them three choices; that they must convert to Islam, or that they must pay the Jizyah, or that they must die, which of those three choices is rooted in anti-US sentiment?
>>768761434
>conspiracy theories for pseudointellectuals and people who found /pol/ a week ago
The Earth is flat too right?
>>768761424
>Don't blame me for being a murderous sandnigger when there are other murderous sandniggers too.
>>768753789
>Why does West allowes Israel to murder Palestinians every single week for the last 70 years and ongoing?
Why does the world allow Muslims to murder en masse every single day ad infinitum to a degree that absolutely puts in to shadow the number of Palestinians killed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_May_2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_April_2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_February_2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2018
>and that's just the year thus far, kids!
Go kill yourself Paki. Oh wait, you're already going to. The only people who fall for smelly Palestinians tricks and shit are social justice faggots.
Dead Muslim = better world. Fact.
>>768761275
I have no problem recognizing nuance when it exists, the problem is there is just no nuance here. Muslims are inbred apes fdating back centuries upon centuries of inbreeding thanks to their crackpot prophet telling them to marry their cousins. This explains why they're so retarded compared to all other societies. How's that for nuance?
>>768761276
you mean like today?
>>768761424
>palestinians don't bomb buses
>palestinians don't run around stabbing people
>there aren't literally metal detectors everywhere to try to negate this
>there aren't literally videos all over liveleak etc. of palestinians running around stabbing people and blowing things up and shooting off rockets from civilian areas
>w w we're talking about palestinians here
>they're totally peaceful
cool taqiyya but only an sjw teenager believe that kind of mudslime garbage
>>768755716
You tell me how you react the day a country that shall not be named decides you have to get the fuck out of your home and let the jews or anyone else have it. And shut the fuck up about it too.
Let the Jews and Muslims kill each other. So long as whoever is left gives me cheap gas, they can rape goats all day for all I care.
>>768761514
the problem today isn't anti US sentiment, the problem is socioeconomic, being anti US is just a symptom and basically the middle east (rightfully) blaming us for destabilizing the region for our gain
>>768753789
>Why does West allowes Israel to murder Palestinians every single week for the last 70 years and ongoing?
Because muh holocaust and the 666 gorillion jews lost at least six times.
because Palestinian leaders dont try to make peace, they were offered lands to built their state many times and didnt agree because they want it all, so now we israel can not do anything while 40 k people from gaza try to break the wall seprating the 2
>>768761514
Lmao I'm not even the guy who talked about "socio-economic horseshit" and the Jews showing animosity to Muslims and Muslims showing animosity to Jews (Hamas vs Israel etc) is a whole other topic. You're digressing again. You have no point. I said that already, I think we're done here.
>>768761681
Yeah that's the theory, but they're bound to export their conflicts in the west, which is already happening. Soon they're be raping your wife.
>>768761498
Islam was the tool that was used though.
All religion needs to die :(
>>768761627
none at all? but hey didn't expect any
And before you say
>It's a joke stupid nigger
I know it isn't don't worry
>>768761851
I literally explained my point to you in that post you quoted. The problem with Muslims is Islam. Always has been. For 1400 years. That's the point. How are you so retarded that after explaining it to you twice, you still can't understand?
>>768761681
I can respect that at least it makes sense
>>768761820
>destabilizing
Islam has never and will never be stable.
The only times they have unified is when an outward force threatens them.
>>768761913
I can agree with that sure!
>>768761820
Once again, the Jews were destabalized and they aren't a problem. The Armenians were destabilized and they aren't a problem. The Japanese were destabilized and they aren't a problem. Muslims were never stabilized to begin with.
>>768762063
everytime I say destabillize, It's toward a region or nation.
Islam is a religion, by definition it is subjective and therefore can't be stable
>>768762063
my whole point in alll of this is you're focussing on Islam and you should be focusing on socioeconomic factors, literally all international action should be seen through this lens.
>>768762210
Don't forget the native American Indians. I would say they more than anyone else have a legitimate cause to go maverick on white westerners, and yet they seem to be just as docile as everyone else. It only ever seems to be Muslims with the problem.
Israel forever! Palestinian crybabies stfu lol
>>768762314
Oh for god's sake fuck off with your socio-economic bullshit. What did America do to destroy Muslim countries during the conquest of Constantinople? What did the British empire do that was responsible for the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem? Christ almighty give it a rest. Muslims have been doing evil Muslim shit long before white people were even on the fucking map.
>>768762314
I'm not focusing on anything.
All war is shit. With shit excuses, shit execution and shit conclusions.
Obviously it's always for money.
But you need to look at all religion through this lens too.
The vatican could sell one painting and end world hunger for three hundred years. You couldn't count the amount of acres the christian church owns. They have stock in condoms, porn and even prostitution. Meanwhile, no tax.
>>768762210
I don't think you know what destabilize means ( Semantics but still important)
The Jews were not "destabilized"
Their community suffered sure, but they got justice in international court, they got support from multiple nations, their aggressor was shamed by their allies, they earned a country which is today powerful.
Armenians are the same thing as the jews but to a lesser extent
The Japs were literally rebuilt by america and expected to be utterly destroyed (as they did for their enemies)
The middle East isn't stable to this day and hasn't for almost three decades now
>>768762616
>hasn't for almost three decades now
>Millennia
Fixed that for you.
>>768755546
Wow, some common sense in 4chan, this is not seen everyday>>768755475
>>768754102
>>768762469
OK I get it you don't understand the word socioeconomic, It has to do with the standard of living, If where you live is shit for one reason (extreme poorness, extremely oppressive) or another the people are going to do shitty things.
It's not always because of the US or EU but in this very specific case it is
>>768762469
>socioeconomic
It's a word you would learn in a political science class, you should really take one, a lot of things would make sense after that.
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html
>>768763022
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
>>768762725
The conditioning is being broken again I hope
>>768762562
I'm not sure I understand your example, to me they would validate that religion takes a second place to money and status
>>768762469
>Muslims have been doing evil Muslim shit long before white people were even on the fucking map.
So has Christianity, but then SOCIOECONOMIC conditions changed (over centuries) and Christians stopped being mass murdering fuckheads.
>>768762816
>>768762994
I know what socioeconomic means, it just has no bearing on anything we're talking about. Poor people doing bad things doesn't explain the astronomical disparity between poor Christians, Jews, everyone else, and Muslims.
Most of ISIS' terrorist plotters were of rich affluent middle class backgrounds with backgrounds in engineering. What role does poverty play here?
Fuck off back to /pol/
>>768762720
I seem to remember that the middle East was mostly flourishing and very wealthy with many scientific advances coming from there during what we call the dark ages but after that I draw a blank, I don't know if it was good or bad.
All I know is that less than 100 years ago the situation was better than after we got involved in it
>>768763185
I don't think you do or you wouldn't be asking :
>What did America do to destroy Muslim countries during the conquest of Constantinople?
or
>What did the British empire do that was responsible for the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem?
>>768763333
>mostly flourishing and very wealthy with many scientific advances coming from there during what we call the dark ages
Because of war.
Sure a third party getting involved fucks things up but they've never been at peace for even a century.
>>768763420
Why not? Those are important questions that contradict the idea that Muslims are only violent because of western intervention.
>>768763185
Actually it does, the reason why I keep stressing destabilizing nation or regions is because it's not a few people getting fucked amidst a sea of people doing OK like in the west, it's a lot of people getting fucked seeing other people get fucked by us.
The leaders are usually either the ones getting the most fucked or the least fucked that are smart enough to see that this is a perfect opportunity to seek power with no actual limits or repercussions (other than failure) by taking advantage of people seeking a better life.
In fact I think I remember that US born and raised muslims commit crime at around the same percentage. So the problem isn't muslims but the context they're in
seething MIDF ITT
>>768763465
every country gets rich from war
>>768763882
>>768763901
>>768763914
>>768763575
See that's why I think you don't understand the word, socioeconomic factors aren't always external and not always the west
In the case of the middle east today it is tho
>>768763158
>I'm not sure I understand your example
Money is everything.
Religion is an easy way to make money.
>>768763934
>>768763974
>>768763990
>>768764004
>>768764023
>>768764041
>>768763869
Not really. Only the ones funding the war get rich.
>>768763831
Different anon but
>So the problem isn't muslims but the context they're in
They've had better circumstances and still waged war. All religion is shit, stop defending them.
>>768764066
>>768764088
>>768764108
>>768764129
>>768763831
The context being that US born Muslims are raised in a secular society and not a theocracy. How do you not see that? Look on the human prosperity index, and all Muslim theocracies are rock bottom on the list. All secular democracies are at the top. US born Muslims are living an Islam that does not have anything to do with Islam as it was taught according to the doctrine of Muhammad.
And again, you keep on insisting that poverty has a role to play with Muslim violence, and yet you still haven;t told me how that accounts for the middle class educated Muslims that flew over to Levant to join ISIS. These are rich, middle class, and educated Muslims we are talking about here, that gave up their privileged lives in the UK, to join a Muslim death cult. Where does that factor into socioeconomic root causes?
How does mass poverty account for the violence they were still spreading across the middle east, Africa, and Europe 1400 years ago? None of these questions are being answered.
>>768763968
Oh? so you do agree with me that socioeconomic factors are the main thing then?
That the religion aspect is mostly a tool to bring in people and keep them faithful?
>>768763950
I'm still asking why, and still not getting an answer.
>>768754102
https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/On-Trump-Israeli-Jews-are-from-Mars-American-Jews-are-from-Venus-556606
>>768764087
I agree the religion is pretty bad but the thing is when people say shit like I see in this thread, I fear the we'll either start a genocide or the middle east will stay fucked until we understand the problem and start "fixing it"
Also I don't understand
>They've had better circumstances and still waged war
Do you mean If US muslims had a better chance they would attack?
>>768753789
>>768764174
I keked
first of all
>The context being that US born Muslims are raised in a secular society and not a theocracy. How do you not see that? Look on the human prosperity index, and all Muslim theocracies are rock bottom on the list. All secular democracies are at the top. US born Muslims are living an Islam that does not have anything to do with Islam as it was taught according to the doctrine of Muhammad.
I agree with you here the problem isn't islam but an oppressive government which is a socioeconomic factor +nice no true scottsman fallacy
>how that accounts for the middle class educated Muslims that flew over to Levant to join ISIS
I told you already they saw an opportunity to gain easy power from the poor masses
Tho to be clear poverty is NOT the only factor their are multiple factors religious dogma being one (on a lesser scale) among many others
>How does mass poverty account for the violence they were still spreading across the middle east, Africa, and Europe 1400 years ago?
It doesn't and I never claimed it did?
Attack on jerusalem and constantinople came when the ottoman empire and the (don't remember the name of the nation that did jerusalem) were at the height of their power, they had enough to expand and take land so they did like any other country does to consolidate itself and bring in more wealth
>>768753789
>>768753789
I think the entire thing is epic. But you fuck me! EPIC MEMER MOMS
FC2kpPq
FC2kpPq
FC2kpPq
FC2kpPq
You may find what you are looking for here
Maybe you should go back to /pol
>>768764222
Waste of trips
but anyway as I said socioeconomic factors are not always external it's not always the west's fault for the shit that happens in the middle east but when we got involved when we started nation building wars drone strikes for years on end.
You cannot just say we're not partially to blame
>>768765103
>I agree with you here the problem isn't islam but an oppressive government which is a socioeconomic factor +nice no true scottsman fallacy
An oppressive government that derives their laws according to a religious text. That's why it's a theocracy. The more Muslim a country is, the worse it becomes.
Also, a Scottsman is someone that is born and raised in Scotland. It says nothing about how you should act. A Muslim is someone that lives according to the teachings of Islam. It says everything about how you should act. Nice false equivalency.
>I told you already they saw an opportunity to gain easy power from the poor masses
Ah. I see. So poor Muslims commit atrocities because they're poor. But rich Muslims commit atrocities to gain power over the poor? Funny how convenient that is.
>Tho to be clear poverty is NOT the only factor their are multiple factors religious dogma being one (on a lesser scale) among many others
So then why don't you agree that Islam is the deiciding factor? You just admited that poverty isn't the sole deciding factor in how violent a culture is, and also admitted that it, in combination with Islam is the straw that breaks the camels back. So then why not just call a spade a spade and recognize Islam as the fucking problem?
>It doesn't and I never claimed it did?
So then poverty has nothing to do with it and religion has everything to o with it.
>Attack on jerusalem and constantinople came when the ottoman empire and the (don't remember the name of the nation that did jerusalem) were at the height of their power, they had enough to expand and take land so they did like any other country does to consolidate itself and bring in more wealth
Except unlike other conquerrs that only wanted land, the Ottomans demanded that the survivors of their conquests either convert to Islam, pay the Jizyah, or die. Why would they do that if their conquests had nothing to do with Islam?
>>768753789
>i think, they put wrong prices!!
>>768765436
Why not?
>>768765840
The problem isn't the religious text it's the oppressive part, you can swap out a muslim theocracy for a christian or jewish one and it would still be terrible because it's oppressive not because of the particular brand of oppressive
I don't think you understand the no true scottsman fallacy, it's not a equivalency.
>No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.
>Ah. I see. So poor Muslims commit atrocities because they're poor. But rich Muslims commit atrocities to gain power over the poor? Funny how convenient that is.
Yeah that's the point the rich want to get more power so they get it by building organisation to amass it, the poor want to get more power so they join these organisations to leech from them, very simple and conveniant
>So then why don't you agree that Islam is the deiciding factor
Because it's not
It is A factor but not the main one, that's why I keep going back to show you places where muslims do just fine
>You just admited that poverty isn't the sole deciding factor in how violent
never said it was, it's multiple socioeconomic factors poverty is one of them (I would even say one of the main ones)
>So then poverty has nothing to do with it and religion has everything to o with it.
I literally explained it a line afterwards, it's not always because they're poor and life sucks, sometimes it's because they're rich and powerful and greedy
>Except unlike other conquerrs that only wanted land, the Ottomans demanded that the survivors of their conquests either convert to Islam, pay the Jizyah, or die.
A great way to build social cohesion is thru religion, because you don't want to keep fighting, that's why wherever Europeans colonised they also sent missionaries, it makes it so they feel part of the nation
>>768753789
>JEWS JEWS JEWS
Nice try brown bois, cancer is in the mirror.
>>768765977
because we destabilize the region, so we can't be shocked that it's destabilized and hates us?
>>768766581
We wiped out an entire continent of native american indians. Why aren't they killing us?
>>768764222
I got an answer for you. Making no political statement. This is history. It's kind of France and Britain's fault. Only kind of. And they were only doing what powerful empires do so like... Ya no "white man evil" bullshit this to me is just the work of sociopaths in power. Give me 2 minutes my browsers being weird.
>>768754180
A lot of Jews have white skin.
if you don't support israel, that means you support islam. plain and simpe
>>768754180
A white person can become jewish by converting to Judaism. The're still white.
>>768766838
False dilemma.
>>768764442
>They've had better circumstances and still waged war
I mean islam has been at war always.
For one reason or another. with very little relative peacetime.
>>768765103
>no true scottsman fallacy
Where did this anon do this?
>religious dogma being one (on a lesser scale)
It's arguable that this is the driving force behind everything.
Because Palestinians aren't people
>>768767045
But Palestinians ARE people.
>>768767125
Nah
>>768767164
Nah
>>768766693
Assimilation I would guess, there aren't many native americans left and those that are here see themselves as american today (kinda like niggers). They live in a country where the poorest of the poor are still in not too terrible conditions, they have places to go get help and aren't in a warzone where it's fight or die
>>768753789
Because they won the eurovision
Because killing Muslims is God's work and they are doing as they should. We are at war with islam. We need to kill them all. Now.
>>768766693
Also timescale isn't the same we are still destabilizing the middle east and we have no plan to stop ever
>>768766783
>>768764222
Back. So basically its world war 1, and the ottoman empire bet on the wrong horse (the axis powers) and it was already in decline, as civilisations do. They werent backwards or shitty by any means, they were quite advanced and powerful.
France and England made a deal with some rebel from the west who commanded a pretty powerful army that if he helped take down the ottomans theyd give him full control over a unified Arabia.
If this actually happened, the middle east would actually be pretty on par with us today.
But france and england were dicks and didnt mean it. After the war they actually split it up and took control for resources reasons and drew imaginary borders all over the place and gave that dude his only little plot of land.
The US wasnt a fan of this, they were super anti colonial, and made france and england agree to mandates.. IE leave your armies in arabia until theyre fine on their own then gtfo.
France and england leave for some reason I cant remember, and the borders they drew remain.
A small tribe from the east called the sauds, who were extreme right wing fundamentalist muslims discover oil. Raise armies, buy land, sweep across Arabia and establish saudi arabia.
Mass build mosques and enforce extreme muslim ideals, indoctrinate the nation and new generations. Imagine the westboro baptist church discovered oil and there was no centralised government to stop them? Yeah, thats what happened there.
Thats the long and short of why it is the way it is now... and to this day the saudis still destabalise and fund terrorist organizations and keep everything all fucked the fuck up over there. Keeps em rich. Not to mention they are in fact pretty devout to their sect of islam.
>>768765935
I think your mommy is a cum whore
>>768766540
No you can't. That's literally the problem. Christians are taught to live according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Muslims are taught to live according to the teachings of the porphet muhammed. You're telling me there's no difference Between Jesus and Muhammed? One was a hippie carpenter that told us to turn the other cheek and give to the poor. The other was a pedophile warlord that taught his followers to strike off the heads and fingertips of non-believers. Tell me again how similar they are.
>I don't think you understand the no true scottsman fallacy, it's not a equivalency.
I do. I was just showing you why it had nothing to do with what I was saying.
>Yeah that's the point the rich want to get more power so they get it by building organisation to amass it, the poor want to get more power so they join these organisations to leech from them, very simple and conveniant
You you blame any conquest of any religion on a hunger for power with that logic.
>Because it's not
It is A factor but not the main one, that's why I keep going back to show you places where muslims do just fine
Muslims do just fine in countries that aren't Muslim. That's why they do just fine. Because they aren't Muslim. That's the entire point you fucking retard.
>never said it was, it's multiple socioeconomic factors poverty is one of them (I would even say one of the main ones)
There are other poor countries not suffering nearly as much violence as Muslim countries. Poverty is not a main deciding factor. Islam is.
>A great way to build social cohesion is thru religion, because you don't want to keep fighting, that's why wherever Europeans colonised they also sent missionaries, it makes it so they feel part of the nation
See, again. You just keep on deflecting back to "It's not religion, it's hunger for power". You can literally use that for any religious conquest in history. You're arguing semantics you fucking idiot.
>>768767336
This wont work. There are far too many muslims. If the EU wasn't so full of cucks muslims wouldn't be as much of a problem.
>>768755681
/Thread
>>768766987
>I mean islam has been at war always.
That's not true at any level, Muslim majority countries have had spans of peace just like christian majority ones
>US born Muslims are living an Islam that does not have anything to do with Islam as it was taught according to the doctrine of Muhammad.
He did it here
>>768767336
>>768767526
It'd be easier to Holocaust again.
>>768767666
It's not easy to holocaust 1.5 billion people.
>>768767666
Hi Satan.
>>768767457
It evolved and changed a lot through the ages as do many civilisations.
Muhammed was a warlord, he spread the islamic empire. All empires spread through blood shed and atrocities. Then ideals tend to change in every which direction over centuries as do interpretations of texts.
The muslims were for a time the most technologically advanced civilisations in the world and very much liberalised. Meccah was a world center of education and commerce. Students and merchants travelled there from all around the world.
At this time they had a very different interpretation of the koran. Things like "For all things allah has provided a cure." they interpreted as the world has secrets to unlock, which they turned into critical thinking and scientific method, unlike many sects now who think allah just cures shit.
Same way the whole 70 virgins thing in the original language actually meant raisins. Shit gets jumbled over the years.
But no, man, they arent some static one dimensional civilisation. Theyre a normal civilisation. Theyve done some pretty horrific shit, theyve done some pretty amazing shit, they held great power and went through some very dynamic changes. This is rise and fall of civilisation.
See here for why it is the way it is now based on most recent events.>>768767357
>>768767791
It is when they're as stupid as Muslims are. 1.5 billion strong and they don't even have the mental capacity to figure out how to organize and build the same way the Germans did.
>>768766540
>A great way to build social cohesion is thru religion, because you don't want to keep fighting, that's why wherever Europeans colonised they also sent missionaries, it makes it so they feel part of the nation
This is wrong.
It gave them precedent to wage war all the time on non-christians (casus belli) not because they actually wanted to bring peace and love and unity.
Religion is literally the best argument you can have for going to war(deus vult) under any government or religion.
Ghengis said that tengri chose him to punish the world. 250,000 mongols later and he has the largest contingent land empire the world has ever seen.
>>768767939
And yet despite how liberal they were and how civilized they were, they still forced Islam by the sword across the middle east, northern Africa southern Europe for 1300 years.
>>768766976
it's not a dilemma. kill all muslims and let the kikes have israel
>>768755595
>>768755716
>>768755728
>>768755810
>>768755897
>>768756284
>>768756400
>>768756410
>>768767942
It would be a massive fucking mess even if they don't organize. We're talking about 1.5 billion people all over the world.
>>768767457
You're not gonna bait me in religious debate, but do you think only bible fundamentalist are Christians then?
>You you blame any conquest of any religion on a hunger for power with that logic.
YES I view every single interaction between humans as a search for power whether it be gangs nations religions ethnicities....
>Muslims do just fine in countries that aren't Muslim. That's why they do just fine. Because they aren't Muslim. That's the entire point you fucking retard.
Again no true scottsman, if a woman wearing a burka who lives her life according to the quran but lets people do whatever the fuck they want to do isn't a muslim, I can't argue with you because you made a tautological argument, muslims are fucked up, so muslims who aren't fucked up aren't muslims.
>There are other poor countries not suffering nearly as much violence as Muslim countries. Poverty is not a main deciding factor. Islam is
What place in the world is comparable to the middle east in terms of poverty instability and oppression?
>>768768129
Good luck trying. Muslims aren't all localized in one. You can't just nuke them all without killing many many non muslims.
>>768767876
I think you got Nazis and Zionists mixed up
>>768767645
>Muslim majority countries have had spans of peace just like christian majority ones
Name the longest span of peace
Also stop deflecting to christianity, we all know it's warmongering, paedophilic, money-thieving religion. The argument here is that islam is the exact same.
>US born Muslims are living an Islam that does not have anything to do with Islam as it was taught according to the doctrine of Muhammad.
>He did it here
That's not how the scotsman fallacy works.
It works like this.
Muslim 1 commits a violent, terrible crime.
Muslim 2 says "he wasn't really a muslim"
or
Scotsman 1 Leaves scotland to find work in better weather
Scotsman 2 says "no true scotsman would leave his home country"
or
Christian 1 rapes a little boy
Christian 2 says "christians don't rape little boys so he wasn't a real christian"
Or
Jew 1 Marries a gentile
Jew 2 says "He's not a jew anymore"
The argument is fallacious because it is an attempt to disregard a member of your culture/tribe/race/religion/organization's behaviour while retaining the integrity of your personal beliefs about said culture/tribe/race/religion/organization.
Also see cognitive dissonance.
>>768768379
*Muslims aren't all localized in one place.
>>768755259
If the arabs want to throw molotov cocktails, rocks, shit and carry babies as shields at the fence between the two countires, so be it. But they may be shot. That is the consequence. Allah knows there is no shortage of shitty land to share, but arabs hate Jews and Jews hate Arabs.
>>768768057
I don't think you understand what I said
In no way do they want to bring peace and love
They want easy power
If your country can take land you should convert the people who used to own it because if they have the same religion as you over time they will become a part of you and assimilate, if they assimilate they don't revolt. That's why religion and government love to mix they complement each other perfectly One takes the other pacifies.
>>768768436
He got satanic trips.
>>768767666
The satanic trips of truth always pulling through
>>768768239
>YES I view every single interaction between humans as a search for power whether it be gangs nations religions ethnicities....
How in the fuck do you expect to talk about the problem with religion when all you're going to do with deflect to the hunger for power behind it? The Nazis weren't antisemitic, it was just a hunger for power. The puritans didn't burn witches because of a fear of witchcraft, it was a hunger for power. Literally the most be blanket argument you could possibly make to explain religion.
>Again no true scottsman, if a woman wearing a burka who lives her life according to the quran but lets people do whatever the fuck they want to do isn't a muslim, I can't argue with you because you made a tautological argument, muslims are fucked up, so muslims who aren't fucked up aren't muslims.
That's a fact. How can anyone be Muslim and not follow a strict doctrine according to their own faith? If I call myself a Nazi, but decide to tell you that I love Jews and have no problem with niggers, are you going to tell me I'm not a real Nazi?
>What place in the world is comparable to the middle east in terms of poverty instability and oppression?
Uh North Korea? Venezuela? Brazil? Is this a serious fucking question?
>>768768500
Nice dubs goyim
>>768768239
>so muslims who aren't fucked up aren't muslims
That's not what he's saying.
He's saying that muslims living in non-muslim ruled countries aren't fucked up. Not that they aren't muslims
At least that's how i took it but maybe i'm wrong.
>>768764088
>Israel uses "HELB ME MURICA!"
>It's Super Effective!
>>768768454
If your argument is that Islam is as bad Christianity I agree with you then. You will never hear me say anything else
It can be someone else group, the scottsman fallacy is just removing a member of group because it does not fit your current argument
>>768768479
>If your country can take land you should convert the people who used to own it because if they have the same religion as you over time they will become a part of you and assimilate, if they assimilate they don't revolt. That's why religion and government love to mix they complement each other perfectly One takes the other pacifies.
This isn't what christians did though. They had a law allowing them to wage war on anti-christians at any time.
>>768768540
The Nazis equivocated Jews and Communists.
God orders people to do lots of fucked up stuff in the bible but Christians just don't follow those parts. There are a few good sects of Islam, they're just small and not very popular with the other muslims.
>>768768633
>"HELB ME MURICA!"
>Second best airforce in the world.
They don't need to ask for help.
>>768768854
>but Christians just don't follow those parts.
any christians do, infact some have even taken liberties to what was actually meant. Contorting the truth to fit their own political agenda.
>>768768977
Many*
Because of Christian dominated culture and the belief that Judaism is a legitimate religion while Islam is not.
