>nothing happens when you die
None of you actually believe this right?
Well, something happens. You stop breathing, your brain shuts down and your loved ones lose their shit. But yeah, once you're dead, that's it.
>>768643052
I do believe. You become in a state the same as before you were born.
You just dont exist.
Im just wondering if after some quantillion billion gogol years somewhere your consiousness can reappear and even without any memories you can become you again? This i think can only happen only if we live in an infinite universe or in a constant looping universe - where the universe expands and collapses back to the bigbang to form a new universe. And even with this chances are pretty small
The only reason I would expect something, is so they get a chance to explain the system to me. It's so full of pointless nonsense on every level. Either they designed life badly or it was never meant to be played the way we do.
>>768643903
Your shit sez differently.
>Member of the underworld since conception. lol.
>>768644479
>it was never meant to be played the way we do.
That's the basis of most religions out there, especially Christianity.
>>768643052
I'm going to be pissed if there is an afterlife.
>>768644718
I hate to say this. prepare to be furious
Start meditating you faggots, within a month it will be very clear theres more to us than just flesh and bones.
>>768643052
I don’t believe in anything. Who the fuck knows? Nobody that’s who
>>768644941
>theres more to us than just flesh and bones
Of course, there's also brain matter with all of your memories and thoughts on it, al of which will rot away after you die.
>>768644642
Not sure what exactly you mean. Are you talking about the concept of sin and being kicked out of eden? Doesn't the christian religion say great stuff like, do whatever to the earth and fuck like rabbits, seems like we're still on course.
>>768643052
i perceive the "afterlife" to be more of a euphemism for your mind in it's dying state, as in you're basically decending into 'hell' as you die if you lived a life of regret, bad decisions, lazyness, etc and once you die that's the permanent end to your story (you stay in hell for 'eternity') but if you live a satisfying life of virtue you have created heaven for yourself and your loved ones and when you die, you leave that way, at peace.
it should be obvious to a rational person, even if you have had what you may call a religious experience or transcendent experience that after your brain dies, your consciousness as it was when you were alive ceases to exist.
>>768645308
Stay in the dark you autist
>>768645702
So we dont have a soul in your opinion?
>>768643052
You start to rot.
>>768643052
Unless the universe has some form of metaphysical backup system for people's consciousnesses, then nothing happens.
>>768646013
not him, but how can you experience reality and life without an experiencER? when you die, the experiencER dies, so there's no conscious part of you left over to experience anything, at least in this plane of existence
if you're lucky or hard working then you can experience a kind of harmony with the source, call it god or whatever, while you're alive, but when you're completely dead you simply ARE the source again
I seriously doubt our particular human form of consciousness remains after death
>>768646013
I would say I have a hard time really separating soul from consciousness in a meaningful way. How would you do that?
>>768643052
Why are you so afraid of not existing? You're not afraid of the time before you existed, so why worry about what happens after?
>>768645334
it says to be stewards of the earth & that we have free will
>>768645900
Stay in the blinding light, you zealot.
>>768646940
how do you believe the universe was created?
>>768646772
I guess the translations have muddied it up. I was taught a german phrase similar to 'become more and make the earth your subject'. Are you referring to some specific translation?
>>768647027
Whatever I say won't matter.
I do. You can't comprehend death because you're it's opposite, the closest are high ranking (read: old) Buddhist monks who can put their brain into a theta-wave state or electromechanically speaking they can alter their brainwave hertz rate from 8-15 hertz down to around 4 hertz. If you ask them what this is like you will receive an answer anywhere from "relaxing :)))" to "five pounds of flax", in otherwords they're not telling or there is nothing to tell.
Far from making me a coward it allows me to live my life as I choose precisely because nothing matters outside of human valuation. However, to this end, only the human species is important and the leftism/populism complex is misguided in most of it's views concerning humans which are just faux-atheist and not ultimately serious. I would classify most lefties as deists, agnostics or lay Buddhists. Atheism doesn't actually have a face.
>ignoring the fact you have a soul
theres millions of factors that could happen to your soul
>>768647103
I honestly want to know. I'm guessing big bang?
>>768646474
that's kind of a silly question, anon. That's like asking "why are you so afraid of being raped? you've already been raped before, so why worry?"
>>768643052
it doesn't make so much sense that NOTHING would happen. If you think about it, there was a time when you were, and time that you were, and then a time when you were not anymore. It seems unlikely that that's the end, doesn't it? Surely you would eventually be again eventually, and then not be, then be again
>>768645900
assuming you've lived long enough to have experienced different stages of life, which brain of yours gets transported to the afterlife? is it the one you have now? what happened to the one you had 10 years ago? what will happen another 10 years from now to the brain that you currently have? will all versions of you be in the afterlife, or only one? how do you distinguish your soul from all of this, and if your soul is different from your mind, does that not mean that you can't truly know what the afterlife will be like?
>>768647079
In english it says 'all that moves on earth'
also Gen 2:15
The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.
>>768647182
You are sounding a bit... cult like buddy
>>768644941
tell more about your discoveries? do you have kik or something?
>>768645308
>brain isnt flesh
>>768647353
how? I just guessed that you believe in the big bang.
also, I do too, not that it's relevant
>>768647182
Is that what you want?
>>768647478
All this "staying in the dark" stuff. Sounding jonestown like.
>>768647483
yes, it's correct
>>768646474
you're misinterpreting curiosity with fear
>>768647478
>>768647230
answer my question anon
>>768647586
A. that wasn't me
B. that is a very common saying
>>768647334
the same lord that was more fickle than a bitch girlfriend and killed people on a whim?
>>768647202
I'm not the guy you are talking to, but I'll respond to that with that I HAVEN'T been raped, but I HAVE already not existed. You're also equating a violent crime against someone to being conscious or not conscious. People who have been raped have a reason to worry about being raped again.
>>768647651
that wasn't me, but the soul (AKA consciousness) is what goes to the afterlife you earned
Pineal gland. DMT. What happens in hundredths of a second, seems like an eternity. Brain floods with endorphins. All mood altering chemicals altered to prepare the brain. It is the fear of the dying part, not death. The in between part. The word “death” has an ingrained trigger in humans.
>>768647652
Common culty saying you mean.
>>768647713
He never killed on a whim
>>768644718
True, I WANNA die eventually? Having consciousness forever would get boring
>>768647791
why do you think the soul is consciousness?
>>768647847
it just means in a state of ignorance, also used often be atheists
>>768647606
You told the other anon that your belief wasn't relevant. Yet my beliefs are relevant, and not only are they assumed to be a particular flavor of beliefs, but they're also immediately correct.
This game. It is that which I do not like to play.
>>768647211
What if you never get to be you again?
Were you "YOU" at some previous time? Probably no. Everything is just luck - our existence is based on the right atoms being at the right place on the right time. Just as the you sperm reached the egg first and created the you.
>>768647791
yes, but which consciousness?
is it the consciousness you have just before you die? is it the consciousness from the prime of your life? is it the consciousness from your childhood?
no moment of consciousness is ever the same and with enough time between two points of consciousness you are practically and functionally almost two completely different people
what is it, exactly, that's going to the afterlife? how do you define it? I don't think that it's possible
>>768647926
Or torturous. I’m about to go to sleep. Best escape without permanence.
>>768647939
the soul is the non corporeal part of human life
>>768648057
the point of death
>>768648002
I never said anyone's beliefs were irrelevant
>>768648087
so you live to a ripe old age of 90 but come down with alzheimers at age 83. what now?
>>768644941
I'm right there with you. There is something else going on that is beyond our grasp. Fuck religion though
>>768648065
but isnt consciousness a result of the senses and the brain?
>>768648144
>I never said
>>768647478
>also
>I do too
>not that it's relevant
>>768648181
Alzheimers is a physical ailment which will be cured in the perfection of heaven
>>768648283
retard i just said my beliefs, adding that it wasn't relevant to my perceived 'cult' beliefs
>>768648199
the body and soul are codependent on the earth, where what happens in one affects the other
>>768643052
First, it's not like the universe ends upon my death. Everything happens just without you.
>>768644117
Second, this is some real dumb shit right here. You wouldn't become you again because you wouldn't have any memories of who you were so you'd be somebody else on your dumb reincarnation universe.
>>768648199
> consciousness generator vs receptor
Think of your brain as the radio, your consciousness as the radio waves, that's the basic idea.
There is a whole spiritual/philosophical subgenre to this theory, enjoy.
>>768643052
End of story.
No heaven, hell or limbo.
Nothingness forever.
>>768648041
could you say that because of the infiniteness of time that you probably were "you" at some previous point?
>>768648398
You are someone. Someone is anyone; anyone is someone. Your beliefs are someone's beliefs. Someone's beliefs are anyone's beliefs. Verbatim, you just said it wasn't relevant. I said you said your beliefs weren't relevant. Weren't relevant, wasn't relevant, and not that it's relevant. Sounds like the same thing. My whole standing point is that no belief is ultimately relevant. Perceived correctness or no. But you seemed to care about mine and not yours, regardless of the context of the beliefs, so I rightfully accused you of playing hypocrite from the beginning. That's compounded by the fact that you're assuming a belief of mine.
Remember that you were trying to put us in the same box by asserting that we believed the same thing.
>>768648290
but then that means its not you anymore. A disease like alzheimers can become a defining characteristic of your personality. What you're saying sounds more like the person will revert to a younger version of themselves, which is then ignoring all that they experienced up until the point of death
Believing in nothing when you die, is more of a crazier concept than believing something does happen. It's just common logic that there's more after this life. Good/Evil you get judged for what you do. Your actions are not gone unjustified. Doesn't matter what religion you follow, there is a creator. To think there is nothing, or believe in "nothing" is ignorance at its best.
>>768643052
Your energy goes somewhere. They've proven that you lose several grams of weight when you die, and the energy driving your brain (the electrical pulses of your synapses) stop firing. It goes somewhere.
Where? Who knows? It's certainly not any mortal version of heaven or hell. It might not even be consciousness. But something does happen.
>>768643052
The only things that get to be in heaven when you die are the worms and even then only for a while.
>>768648635
but doesnt that mean that consciousness isn't possible without a brain, and therefore when you die your consciousness stops existing as well?
>>768646474
Well... if for exemple what the bibble say in revelation is true, i think its a good reason to worry
>>768643052
The universe keeps on going regardless of your existence
>>768648908
you still have all of your memories and experiences, yet all imperfection are stripped away
>>768648633
if what makes a person themselves is their memories, then what about people that experience memory loss? are they different people?
>>768649077
No? Do the radiowaves stop existing, when you break your radio?
>>768648880
are you legitimately autistic or what. it was irrelevant to the topic, just as some russian kids favorite color is irrelevant to this topc
>>768649235
but arent most people defined and known for their imperfections as much as their good qualities?
>>768649387
Nothing I replied to you with was irrelevant. Except at least my belief. Which you've wanted to be relevant.
>>768649425
i mean diseases and disabilities. everyone's different quirks will remain
>>768649378
>Do the radiowaves stop existing, when you break your radio?
well the radio waves stop being sent out, they stop being created. So you mean your consciousness stops?
>>768649490
i said my belief was irrelevant to your belief you autist
>>768649378
No but take out the tower and they do. Which would be your brain retard. If you want to make stupid analogies.
>>768649514
isnt a disease or disability a quirk? Doesnt being in a wheelchair have quite an effect on the person you become and the experiences you have?
>>768649619
Now you're just mixing things together.
>>768649666
you've still had the same experiences, just now you can walk
>>768649689
ok im done with you
>>768648909
>common logic
>>768648950
>They've proven that you lose several grams of weight when you die
this is a myth
>>768643052
Of course the don't.
>>768643052
why would I ever believe anything else?
>>768649585
The radio waves aren't created by the radio, they are created by an emitter or something similar. If it breaks, no one with a radio could listen to the signal anymore. If all radios broke, the signal would still be sent out, just not received.
One aspect of this theory is e.g. that a person with mental inabilities is only receiving his/her signal very feintly/with a lot of static and this transforms as crazy behavior, because he can't correctly interpret his consciousness.
>>768649663
Correct.
>>768643052
I've thought about this a lot. I
doubt nothing happens, no idea what will happen but I am very certain something will definitely happen. I mean we've been 'dead' before we were born and now we're here due pure RNG?
I could imagine that the consciousness/awareness of our human brain is actually limited while we are alive. And when you die it feels like waking up from a blurry dream.
I find it very hard to believe that there shouldn't be something like a soul or say 'controller'. Why would it even matter that we control and experience only ourselves if it didn't serve any purpose?
>>768647850
you've clearly never read the bible.
>>768650080
name a single time he killed for no reason
>>768650140
> but he had a reason
> oh yeah, what?
> his wife turned 180degrees and did the gomorrah, she had to be turned into a pillar of salt!
>>768649769
but that will change you greatly as a person. What if it makes the person behave entirely differently so that they become unrecognizable to people that knew them before?
>>768650241
it is symbolism for turning back towards sin, away from God
>>768643052
https://youtu.be/pl3ByuKlVUA
>>768650325
Topkek
>>768650311
that could be the case, i don't know what will happen, i only know what i believe
>>768650140
he killed ton of people. you think every single person in sodom was deserving, even the infants?
what about all the plagues, in egypt. none of that was fickle?
What about when god told that motherfucker to kill his son for shits and giggles?
>>768650020
oh yes i see what you're saying now, that clears up the confusion. But if consciousness is the radiowaves, then what do you make of the world that the senses are interpreting?
>>768650031
this is an interesting take on the idea. I was thinking about writing something similar. It would be make sense that once we die we aren't held back by our human limitations and are finally able to act without being hindered. But what kind of place would that put us in?
What do you think the point of our experiences are here?
>>768650415
the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is largely symbolic, it shows God destroying the literal hive of sin on Earth
The plagues were justified as Moses tried to convince the Pharaoh to let them leave, yet the Pharaoh had no sympathy for the decades of suffering.
God told Abraham to kill Isaac as a test of faith, and a a symbol that Isaac belongs to God, not Abraham
>>768643052
consciousness gets transferred to a new host
No one believes anything happens to animals after they die, why should we believe anything happens to humans?
>"cause we special n sheeeeeit!"
We all shit and lactate like every other mammal.
>>768650415
i think the most twisted realization i had was reading about moses and the egyptians, and it stating that God actually hardened the Pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't let the slaves go. God fucking did it himself, so that it kept going with the more plagues. Without God doing that the Pharaoh might have released the people much sooner and avoided all of that death.
WTF kinda god is that?
I'd rather take solace in not knowing, than arrogance in thinking I know.
>>768650718
Not everyone thinks that. Animals are on the same level when we die, something happens to them too.
>>768650696
oh, so the bible is a fairy tale meant to be interpreted however we see fit, none of it actually happened?
>>768651094
God can exist without the bible, so can an after life. Your atheist stupidity is shining through.
>>768650507
I haven't read up on a lot of it. But I think they get combined in the brain. Such as that the consciousness experiences the reality. Why, how and who I wouldn't dare say right now. Maybe it helps to look at it, like virtual reality. Only the way it works, is that it manipulates your brain directly, bypassing the senses. So what your consciousness perceives is a simulation of sensual perception, kind of like an interactive movie. The senses being the bridge between reality and virtual reality, whichever you may consider to be real or virtual.
Or the consciousness generator is to our universe like the magnetic field of an old tv would be to a fish tank. It affects us, but not on purpose and in ways, we can't perceive. Maybe consciousness is a single entity and we just interpret it differently, depending on our abilities and enviroment. Who knows, it's an interesting idea and allows you to make interesting conclusions, under the premise it were real.
But you'll definitely end up in the area of perception altering drugs and entities with higher/lower densities and whatnot.
Too bad, people tend to ignore things that aren't rationally scientific and leave the field to nutjobs. But they also don't want to test it, to the best of their abilities, for several reason.
>>768651094
Pretty much.
>>768651306
Sad
>>768650718
what? I totally believe that animals have afterlife too. anyone that thinks animals don't have souls hasn't spent much time with animals, that's what I always say
>>768651179
so, only the parts you like actually happened, and the downer parts are just symbolism. Am I getting this yet?
>>768650663
I am glad someone else shares my thoughts.
Not sure about the point of it, maybe it's actually a test and our decisions are constantly observed. Or, this might sound a little bit strange, we were aware of the world we're gonna be born in, perhaps we had the chance to choose another, just to experience without any deeper meaning. Like a game or server you choose when you want to play vidya.
It'd make sense, because, in this case, this world reflects pretty much a lot of my personal gaming preferences Just to name a few: The chance to make good or bad decisions, complexety, chaos and violence. This doesn't mean I am a sadistic fuck, because I actually hate violence and chaos IRL, but the mentioned ones are what I like in my games.
>>768651228
huh I see. That's kinda whacky. yeah that's interesting about leaving it up to nutjobs and most people ignoring it. When you look at how much money the CIA dumped into researching it, it seems like there must be something there
>>768651179
>if you aren't christian then that means you're atheist
>>768651672
Not even close. I'm saying there is a creator, reguardless of what that book says. no need to steriotype me into the group of people you usually argue with. There is a God, Creator, of all of this. There's just lots of information we don't have, so we discuss in forums with the information we do have.
>>768643052
i can't prove there isn't an afterlife (can't prove a negative), so i don't waste my time worrying about it.
as soon as faggots define, test, and prove existence beyond, i'm going to play vidya and eat delicious food til i die.
>>768651830
If you aren't s Christian that means you could be a Buddhist, Jewish, you could be many religions. That doesn't make you an atheist. Atheists being in the existence of nothing. I believe in a God, who am I to define which religion it is classified under.
Maybe there's a factor I'm not counting for biologically but if matter isn't created or destroyed, then where does the energy our body stored for both physical and mental processes go? Couldn't really believe there's an after life like most large religions but I feel there could be some psuedo reincarnation thing. But at that point the you that died and the you that you become are two completely different people with no connection. Just a container of meat.
>>768644117
Fuck I hope not. I don't really want to be me a second time; once was enough.
>>768651964
why do you believe there is a god?
why do you believe said god cares about you?
why do you believe that even if there is a god and fuck it let's even assume he does care about you, why does that mean there is an afterlife?
and what does the bible, or any "holy book" have to do with aforementioned god?
>>768652185
>matter isn't created or destroyed
untrue
>where does the energy our body stored for both physical and mental processes go
where it can go
if you drop a ball into the ground where does the energy go?
>>768651790
that would be interesting, but at the same time the simulation sucks because most people's lives are so boring
>>768652897
True, but who knows if they actually experience / are concious on the same level as we? Like bots to make life feel more vivid but just follow simple routines (which makes them seem so boring) to keep up the illusion. I mean I really hope it isn't like that because it sounds rather depressing but who knows.
>>768652785
Meant energy
