Do you think that money is the worst invention that humanity ever created?
>>768563563
>>768563563
nope, you are.
fuck off, long haired hippie bastard.
>>768563563
Karl marxs birthday was last week, you can stop celebrating faggot
>>768563563
Why would you think that? Money played a crucial role in shaping our civilization into what it is today. Would you rather revert to bartering?
It was the internet.
Socialism was the worst creation my men. Killed hundreds of millions of people in only a a few hundred years
lol underage ban
inb4 idiots think bartering or money are the only ways to live
>>768563811
they also use money, though
>>768563903
Ok then, tell us, smartass, how would economy look like without both money and barter?
>>768563563
This is op
>>768563963
He makes a living sucking cock
op
>>768564043
>>768564085
>>768564106
>>768564120
how about using words instead of posting images
>>768563903
Barter and money were crucial for civilisation to even exist, without it we would still be living in small villages with everybody being an unspecialised farmer who makes their own clothes and tools.
superior right-wing posting in here
>>768564123
>using money he earned doing it
>>768563563
No. The debt version of it is close to being it, imaginary value version that is as real as how it is imagined to be valued.
Giving women the right to vote was the worst thing ever invented.
Acceptance is what kills humans
>>768563563
yes
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>>768564224
shitskins got one thing right
>>768564179
Meh retards can't understand words making sure op understands he's retarded.
>>768563563
Without money everyone would have to go out and hunt for their own food. And there are far too many people for that.
>>768564350
I think we all agree on that, but you could make any number of arguments to explain to him the importance of currency
>>768563563
tfw when you realise you look like a southpark character.
How the fuck did this fat fuck even get rich and famous, he is shit and basically just "DJ KHAALLIIIDDD" on every track lol
I believe that money has played its part to develop civilization. It is up to humanity to kick the addiction. How it is not seen as an artificial barrier at this point is beyond me. People make money doing the dumbest shit...eSports anyone? Meanwhile others slave away in Walmart? We are literally putting ourselves in our own way. Just give the kid a roof and a sandwhich. I'm sure theres plenty to go around by now...
>>768564559
You could always hunt for food yourself, like you would have too if there was no money. Money makes things way better.
that's like saying math was the worst thing humanity ever created, certain things are out of our control. our systems that we have created are just ways to describe universal rules that will always exist
>>768564559
People make money from esports because we're so productive we don't need them to do anything else.
>>768564559
>Just give the kid a roof and a sandwhich
(soviet anthem faintly heard in the background)
>>768563563
>Do you think that money is the worst invention that humanity ever created?
t. poor loser (ps. please give me free money)
>>768564559
Esports is a form of entertainment now, just like movies or theater. Hence its popularity. A pro gamer contributes to society in the same way a pro basketball player does.
>>768563563
money is alright. just our society's values go wrong. shit talking gets paid loads while the true value creating and producing people get shit.
>>768564788
There's nothing inherently wrong with money, just the way we worship it in our culture
Does it make you sad that your dreams of going into space exploration for yourself will never be realized? You can, quite literally, blame the Jews. This is why.
The Jews destroyed humanity and, via extension, humanity's chance at interstellar travel. They did so with the "usury banking system" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury), a system founded entirely on one word.
Mistrust.
Trust, as the extremely few of you who are currently happy with a significant-other can attest, is the number one key to any relationship. Trust opens the lines of communication and strengthens the bond between a man and a woman (or, if you prefer, "a man and another man," "a woman and another woman," "a nu-trans fourth trimester transsensual Angst Profile ZETA-8 genderqueer pseudo-dyke reformed lesbiophilic heteromollusc and another of its kind", etc.)
Any soldier who's been in battle will tell you, without the slightest hint of irony, that trust in his fellow soldier is not only recommended, but absolutely vital to keeping themselves and their fellow soldiers, intact. As the old adage says, "every man deserves respect until he proves otherwise."
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Jews are literally a cancer that has plagued this planet for thousands of years. Usury banking (and those who, faced with little other choice, embraced it) gave birth to the Rothschild Family, John Pierpont "J.P." Morgan & a host of other greedy, soulless, mistrusting individuals who also used other unethical and (questionably) immoral tactics to further their fortunes, fortunes founded on the misery and mistrust of others. They also silenced visionaries such as Nikola Tesla, whose dreams of wireless electricity for all were crushed forever by those in power at the time.
I encourage any genuine Jew or supporter of usury banking (or even loaning with interest, at that) to debate this with me, if you so desire, but your position is indefensible and your so-called "argument" is unwinnable.
>>768564634
Without resorting to personal intelligence insults, DIY is not the way to go either. The fact that humans have developed a beautiful system of "veins" to circulate supplies throughout the world is astounding. We can use the farms and equipment we already have! In fact, we ALREADY ARE. And thats the point OP is making. We simply are already creating enough food, shelter, cellphones, cars, etc for EVERYONE.
They all exist. We can all have one.
But for some reason, they wont allow us to have them any other way than money, which is often times, the least efficient path in a persons life, and most likely damaging to their human spirit. Tell me how many copypasted, lifeless, thoughtless, sedentary creatures this system of chasing money creates?
Keeping track of money is only a hinderance, and a waste of resources, and time, and furthermore, I'd argue that it is detrimental to the progression of human consciousness.
>>768564901
What do you propose we do with jews?
>>768564776
By not only wasting resources, but encouraging others to do the same? Yeah, they should get paid more than everyone! Grand "contribution" their giving to the rest of us.
>>768564936
In a perfect world, money and resources would spread evenly between everyone. But humans are imperfect creatures.
Some people are just naturally predisposed to be richer than others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO7kCUjUaUE
>>768565084
The beauty of it is, there are few barriers for you if you're motivated, if you really fucking want to get rich, you'll get rich.
>>768564936
I agree. Money creates a lot of fat in this world...gonna need to run a lot of miles to get rid of this shitty fat. Else We'll die of a myocardial infarction
matter of fact, america runs on money, makes nothing of its own, and is extremely fat. I guess you are what you eat?
>>768563563
You can't have a society without money.
Try to imagine one. As soon as people start exchanging stuff, money appears.
>>768565156
That is the point. Being rich is quite literally, retarded, a need forced upon you by the Jews. Congratulations, you played yourself.
>>768564936
When you give people shit for free, they tend to take it for granted and get lazy. That's the foundation of socialism for you.
>>768564992
Force them to publically destroy the Talmud, abandon its teachings entirely, and publically execute the Rothschild Family. Then they can exist among us as EQUALS, instead of believing themselves our betters and the "chosen ones".
>>768564992
>>768563563
No I don't think that, cause I'm not a communist piece of shit.
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It's social media. Fucking cancer, all of it.
>>768563563
No, but banking is.
>>768565246
I'm not saying you should have wealth as your life goal, money alone obviously is not the answer to everything, but it solves like 95% of your problems
>>768565348
this guy knows whats up
>>768565266
People are not naturally lazy. It is the capitalist lifestyle creating the false need, this draconian reward system, and the absolutely dogshit sedentary education system (which is UNDERFUNDED LOL) making people sit in a desk for 8 hours a day during their PEAK DEVELOPMENT YEARS, and then do HOMEWORK for another 2 hours.
Then they recommend you to go to COLLEGE and spend a FUCK TON MORE MONEY, so you can get a FUCK TON MORE MONEY so you can FINALLY be happy.
I did all that shit. Working on my masters. Its a fucking trick! They are selling you information you can find on the internet with the right keywords. Its swindlery. I'm telling you right now.
Its designed to keep you on the wheel, tired, and always barely there.
>>768565173
Be glad obesity is your worst problem. It hasn't always been this way.
>>768565498
By creating 95% of everyone elses problems. Congratulations, you played yourself.
>>768565579
The alternative is most of the population starving to death. See the Soviet Union and Mao's China.
>>768565084
Read "naturally predisposed" as greedy.
>>768565348
Come on, let's be realistic here. That's never gonna happen. And if you actually did those things it would only make jews more united,
>>768565348
*golf clap*
this guy knows the way the wind blows. take notes children
>>768565628
Don't hate the player, hate the game
>>768564992
>>768565579
>Complaining about sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day
You live such an easy life. You should read more history so you can know what life was like before capitalism.
>>768564992
do you want an answer to this? perhaps one that will need no other solutions. a FINAL solution maybe?
pic unrelated
>>768565628
Money didn't create anyones problems. Taking away money has only ever made things worse, even for poor people.
>>768565855
>The Jews are the cause of all my problems.
You Nazis are worse than the liberals who blame white people for everything.
>>768565579
>implying things are different under socialism.
It's the exact. Same. Thing. You go to school, then college/university, then you work for the rest of your life until you die.
When you put the needs of the group over the needs of the individual, you get the USSR. Under capitalism, on the other hand, individuals are united in their freedom.
>>768565995
Only you have to scavenge for corn kernels left over at farms to not starve to death.
>>768565994
are those jimmies i hear rustling?
>>768563563
im glad we got rid of bartering, I dont wanna trade 20 cows, 5 sheep, my first 2 daughters and half my land for a fucking house and car.
>>768566057
Exactly.
>>768566091
There would be no modern house or car without money.
>>768563563
I think humans are monkeys who derailed their own evolution somewhere around the 20th century when they decided that every endeavor should be justified on its ability to be monetized. We are all just chimps chasing after all of the shiny things.
>>768565994
WTF are you talking about? the Nazis where fighting white genocide just take a look at the Islamification of Europe and the Refugee crisis, Who do you think is pushing that? fuck your stupid
>>768566273
Alot smarter than chimps we are like bees with brains
No, money is a great invention.
Modern economy however, the thing that drives most money's value nowadays, now that's an awful invention. Yet still not the worst by far.
>>768565799
absolutely missing the point.
He is saying a sedentary upbringing leads to stunted development and genetics. He's not talking about the kids feelyfeels. Think longer term. He's talking about the evolution of the human race and the direction its going in. Think. Longer. Term.
Capitalism breeds this short foresight and instant reward mentality, along with sedentary lifestyle, and inherent obsessiveness with meaningless ownership.
We wouldnt need to bother with such things if the youth were educated out of passion and love, and are taught to give rather than take, and possibly are put in a prepared, well-conditioned world for a purpose.
Unfortunately the opposite is the case. Cutting corners is simply acceptable at the cost of "being cheap" which is shooting yourself in your own foot, in terms of human development.
>>768563563
No, and what does this have to do with DJ K? Because he’s rich? He’s a really cool bro.
>>768566414
We've never had something better. I'd call it a work in progress, or a prototype for a better economy.
>>768566319
The EU fucked up with the whole refugee crisis thing. They expected just the tip, but accidentally got the whole shaft up to the balls.
>>768566479
ANOTHER ONE
>>768566467
Capitalism breeds long forsight, and long term reward mentality. Without a stable store of value you take what you can get when you can get it. With money you can do work now and postpone the reward until you need it.
>>768566584
It's like this;
1. See pigeons
2. Aww, the cute pigeons
3. Feed the pigeons
4. HOLY SHIT, NOW THERE'S A FUCKTON OF PIGEONS. WHAT HAPPENED?
>>768566584
They're also filled with delusional marxists.
>>768566414
Money preceded every ideology and political system. So you can't have capitalism, or socialism, for that matter, without money. It's an integral part.
>>768566091
yeah, youd rather trade...what is it, sucking your bosses dick, getting sweaty every day in your car to go to a job you hate to fill out papers so you can provide for the kids you never get to see?
What a fucking great life you are leading, and what a benefit you are to society. Who the fuck is raising your kids? Who is teaching them? Who is growing their food? Fucking waste of space the lot of you are. The ONLY reason we cannot get rid of money is because of greedy dumb waste of space fuckheads ruining it for the rest of us. Fucking dead weight we gotta drag around. The shitty humans are holding the good ones back. Fucking scum peices of shit.
Go read wikipedia for once in your fucking life and get educated fucking selfish retards.
>>768566482
"Better" is such an ambiguous word here though. It's true on many aspects, but not all.
For instance the work-reward ratio is in complete disarray under modern economy.
It's fair to call it a work-in-progress though. I can get behind that hoping lawgivers also share this point of view.
But they really gotta iron out those nooks that ruin the whole thing and let abuse run rampart (*cough cough* stocks market *cough*).
>>768566662
Forgive me but I suppose we disagree, as I believe foresight is not about yourself. It's about being able to see past yourself. It's not about you.
>>768566690
Yeah, if you keep giving homeless people money, they'll always come back asking for more. There's never enough for them. And now they're trying to impose their backwards islam worldview, attacking western women for not wearing fucking hijabs. What a disgrace.
>>768563563
>i think, they put wrong prices!!
>>768566814
You get way more food for the same amount of work than people used to. And most modern countries have a much higher population than they could support without a modern economy.
>>768563563
Are you serious? Money is litelarilly a pillar of a society. Without it you'd be fucked. Money is an item that everybody wants, it usually takes a really long ass time to dissapear naturally and without it we couldnt even manage to start a society. Considering that the other person grew food and you made clothes and some other guy made sure of drinks. You could be fucked since they only need clothes a few times so you cannot trade for their food and water.
>>768566720
At least you can somewhat manage these confused homegrown socialist individuals, with islam it's different, much more dangerous. Those people came from a harsh world, and they're taking advantage of people who are accustomed to being safe and unprepared for such a blatant attack on their worldview
>>768566881
Seeing past yourself is nice, but expecting the majority of people in a nation to do so is delusional. You have to take into account what people do, not just what they should do.
OP, dont you understand, violence and stupidity will outnumber, outweigh, and overcome anything in their path!
You can't fix it! Like a constant meteor shower! The way I see it, those retards grow my vegetables while I make 400k to fuck my secretary! Keep believing, one day you'll all pay off that ferrari! Just a few more tomatoes! Hahahahahah!
>>768566584
YEah well if Hitler had won WW2 the world would be a 1000 times better than it is now, just imagine a world without JEws
>>768567230
without constant nagging, depression, overall malaise, and underhanded global agenda? yeah m8 what a drag
>>768567291
The purity spirals would be fun.
>>768567356
Hitler's ideology needs jews, it's what motivated the nazis. Then someone else takes their place. Slavs, arabs, whatever. But the show must go on.
>>768563563
Nah, it had a function but money isn't intrinsically liked to physical materials anymore so it's kind of served it's purpose at this point.
Not that i have any ideas for a new socio-economic model but at least i can admit that unlike these other faggots who're deluding themselves into believing capitalism has, is and always will be the only way to be.
Pretty soon(relatively speaking) we'll run out of one of the cornerstones of modern capitalism, oil.
With it all plastics, beauty product, cars and any other petroleum-based or petroleum-fueled product.
Not that capitalism can't function without oil but at the same time we should(i'm not fucking clairvoyant, maybe commercial space flight or something will save us all kek) see the greatest rates of unemployment seen in history due to an increase in automation which will put stress on the market because less consumers overall and prices will be driven higher because companies will try to keep profit margins to prevent panic while lowering wages thus decreasing spending power of those remaining in employment, exaggerating the problem and starting the cascade effect which if left unchecked will completely destroy our current model.
Unless, of course.
Humanity isn't as greedy, stupid and self-serving as i assume them to be. In which case, everything will be fine, capitalism will balance the whole thing out and people will keep on going to their jobs and coming home to complain on the internet. Children will keep thinking they know better than everyone else and that a revolution is in order to fix whatever their generation perceive to be the problem. Presidents will keep being stupid. Politicians will keep practicing bonapartism. Religions will stay offended. Global warming will continue towards it's unprecedented conditions. China will build bridges. Russia will export waifus that are totally not spies. The bees will keep pollinating and OP will continue to be a massive, cock-guzzling, spunk-farting faggot.
3 to 1 post to poster ratio
Samefagging cuclords
>>768563563
no, patent law is worse
>>768567901
Whats wrong, not enough sissies and bananas?
Perfect example of prisoners emprisoned for so long, they begin defending their prison.
>>768567930
Without patents we wouldn't have half the shit we take for granted today. How do you think inventors pay the bills?
>>768568057
They're paid a salary by the company that takes their design. If companies want their products to sell they should continue innovating instead of milking a single patent for decades.
no, banks are.
>>768567882
10/10 revive post, would reconsider worldviews but probably be too stubborn to change them again.
>>768568057
Anon never said patents shouldn't exist.
>patent law is worse
He said.
>moneys the problem
>not the rich kikes who control all of it
Standard stupid leftist, aware that a problem exists, but know's nothing about it.
>>768563563
The problem isn't money, it's the federal reserve, fractional reserve banking and central banking in general.
>>768563563
Money is just a representation of wealth. Cannot do away with economics.
>>768568139
Companies exist to make money, and the most efficient way for them to do that is to squeeze out much out of every patent. That's how it works, unfortunately.
>>768568453
>squeeze out as much as they can
i fucked up the text
>>768563563
Nah, but the way some people worship money is the worse
>>768568224
Meh, if you're having fun you're winning in my book. No need to worry about this shit when it's at least 3-5 decades in the future if not more.
By that time you can just expect your grandchildren to deal with it.
I was taught in school that global warming was my fault and that i had to turn the lights off and watch less tv and takes buses instead of cars. So up until about 5 or so years ago i always worried about this shit, felt responsible y'know?
But the truth is, i have no control over humanity and if i did i'd probably be a regular tyrant because if i was convinced so easily that a little tv abstinence would fix global warming for most of my life, imagine the run the sycophants would get with me when they try and convince me that genocide is the solution.
TLD;DR don't worry about shit.
>>768568453
That's my argument for why patent law shouldn't be a thing so they're forced to innovate or they will lag behind their competitors innovations.
>>768567882
Money still serves it's purpose as a stable storevof value.
>>768568782
Is that why russia is melting diamonds to stop the market being flooded?
Is that why prada burn their unsold bags at the end of every year?
>>768568692
Patent laws are anti capitalist. They create monopolies, allowing companies to screw over their customers without consequence.
>>768568866
exactly
>>768568862
Helthy currencies are more stable than commodities like gold or diamonds.
The free market works fine as long as the government stays out of it.
As soon as the governemnt get's involved you're tits up and getting ass fucked.
From bailing out failing companies that are "too big" to granting special residential status to tax exempts. These are all the giant anti-capitalist cock that fuck the free market in it's tight little butthole.
>>768569002
>Healthy currencies
Precisely.
When you need to deceive consumers and destroy product to maintain currency you don't have a healthy currency.
You're currency should be able to cope with the complete devaluation of one or two commodities.
>>768569217
>Assuming barter is the next logical step being suggested because you're too lazy to think critically.
>>768569298
Wdym I work 70 hr weeks and it's hardly enough there's no fixing the us dollar it's been fucked since the gold standard went away.
>>768563563
Babies are
The real question is, can mankind transition into a world where money will no longer be needed.
This reality is one that must happen, as long as we keep progressing our technology.
We will indeed reach a point where robots can do 90% of all jobs, and people without great minds or creative talent will find themselves with nothing to do.
Capitalism would be fine if there was a limit to how much each person was allowed to own.
It's when people become ungodly rich that the system begins to fuck over everyone.
There is a certain point when you have so much money, where there really isn't anything else in the world you can buy for yourself anymore, and all that money is good for at that point is to invest and make even more money, which in turn you still aren't able to spend on yourself.
>>768569806
>Invest
>???
>Fucks everyone over
>???
>Profit
>>768563563
Nah, that title goes to Limp Bizkit.
>>768563563
Nope, money is not inherently bad. The problem arises with capitalism where everything becomes a product and therefore everythings value is measured my the market. Thereby not only products like food or furniture are equivalent to Money but also political power as well as workforce.
Because in capitalism money can be used to exploit workers in order to earn more money. Combined with the addiction money has on us humans this results in a society with the main fokus of earning money at all costs making those who already are rich richer and the workers get poorer.
Neither money nor markets and not even the egoism of humans is the largest problem, its capitalism.
In a socialist economy, where money can only be used to purchase personal goods and not private property (private != personal), e.g. in a mutualist society, the problems of money we have today would mostly not occur, while still having markets and free trade
And before someone argues with: "But socialism doesn't work" let me tell you about catalonia pre WW1. Back than catalonia was independent and had a socialist economy (pretty close to the mutualist approach). Under the socialist system catalonia grew to the economically strongest province of the region, with one of the highest standards of living in whole of europe.
Catalonia then got taken over by the spanish king, and became capitalistic under the spanish crown.
While its true that authoritarian socialisim as in China or Russia has never worked, there are so much more socialist ideas and approaches. In fact all forms of democratical socialism got killed of. In Chile by the US governement, in Prague by the Soviet union and the paris commune by the french government. (Venezuela is so corrupt that I won't call it democratic).
So there is a whole school of thought completely untouched waiting to be tested
>>768570460
The world has proven that mixed economies are better than either pure capitalism or pure socialism.
>>768570460
What about a true democracy where everyone gets to vote on every issue but maintain the capitalist system. Would you still want to be a communist if that were the case?
>>768570661
Both systems are destructive in their extremes, i think a centrist one is the most balanced and effective. Like a free market with limited regulation to prevent monopolies.
>>768570661
There are no mixed economies. Sozialism and Capitalism are completely incompatible. The core of capitalism is that the capitalists, those who hold the means of production exploit workers for generating profit, while in socialism the means of production are owned by the community (e.g. in form of cooperatives) and the community works together to create products, so that everyone gets exactly what he worked for (in contrast to exploitation).
Therefore those two are completely incompatible. What can be done are capitalistic economies with socialistic elements like healthcare, social security, etc.
two of the biggest economies running this system are germany and great britain. But those two countries are going downwards. In both countries the current generation is the first one which will earn less (on average) than they would have in the 90's, while the GDP is still growing vastly in both counties. This, to me, indicates a failure of this system.
Therefore my Idea is a form of mutualism with elemts of capitalism. The basic idea is to restructure big companies democratically, in a way that changes to the company are decided democratically, either directly or representative. The rest of the economy can stay the same.
This way no one can buy influence to a company, as well as stopping the board of such a big company of taking to high risks, as they need to fear about their relection. Also big companies can't use their power anymore to pressure the politcs because they are elected by the same people.
Smaller companies can still exsist as they are today. Because in the smaller companies with a lot of competition capitalism performs very well. But if they get to big, the creation of monopolies, they need to be democratized. Of course some restrictions need to be added (e.g. does capitalism not care about environment protection) it can still be used to an extend.
>>768571593
Someone still had to facilitate and control it even if they are voted in there's room for corruption and it will still happen except now there's nowhere to hide.
>>768563563
No, money is something ESSENTIAL to trade, without it, we wouldn't have what we have as only bartering would exist so trade would be harder, your phone/laptop would be literally impossible as you would only get it by bartering not buying.
>>768571815
Well corruption will always be a problem but modern cooperatives like Modragon show that democratic structures can be used in companies, and be profitable (Mondragon is the 7th largest company in all of Spain, while beeing fully democratic).
But of course a lot of transparency is required. This is still only the sketch of an idea and requires a lot of concrete work, but with a look into current european and american politcs this won't get concretized early (and i think a small economy would not be strong enough to do this transformation, therefore this has to start either in europe, japan or america)
>>768564463
Idk about that. Money being important seems like it should be almost self evident to anyone who lives in a not shit tier society
Unless of course you spend your teens and early 20s deluding yourself to the contrary but trying to teach someone like that is probably harder than someone who's just plane stupid
Tldr op is either too stupid to teach or so steeped in denial he will refuse to learn, like an addict dropping another paycheck to feed their ridiculous lifestyle
>>768572349
I work 70 hour weeks with a trade and it's still just a modest living. If there hasn't been so much evidence that socialism fails I might be on the same page because I truly struggle with the system in place. We could maintain the current system if there were a way to bring back the gold standard and actual value to our dollor.
>>768569487
>gold standard went away
Since the british bankers came over and founded the federal reserve and implemented a central banking system.
There needs to be a way to regulate human greed. Money is the only way of handling that that has worked out so far (somewhat). All other systems do not work because the greediness inherent in all humans will make them abuse the system. That's how I see it, at least.
>>768573399
>Inheritance limits.
>Capitalism= fixed
>>768572799
I don't think that the gold standard would be better, at least not in a capitalistic economy where every 10 years a crisis is happening.
Devaluing the currency is the best way to target a crisis.
During the 2008 crisis the unemployment rate of europe and the US raised nearly equally. But in the US the rate got down quite fast and is currently back to normal, while european states like greece, Italy or Spain are still struggeling.
This is mainly because the US were able to devalue their currency, while in europe, the euro can't be devalued that easily, because the european bank can not lend money to states in crisis directly, but only through proxy states (this way germany earned more on the greek crisis than greece has debt towards germany, quite perverted if you ask me)
With a gold standard for the dollar, the 2008 financial crisis might have been way worse for the US than it actually was. Poorer states would maybe face similar problems as Greece does today.
So as long as the economy fails on a regular basis (which it does, 5 crisis in the last 40 years is quite high), a gold standard would be devestating.
Higher taxes for the ultra rich
>>768573734
>the 2008 financial crisis
You mean that entirely intentional crisis that only
rich people benefited from?
>>768573498
Not really, this for example does not fix the problem that because of missmanagement of the board, employees are fired, but the bonus for the managers, who failed this, is rising.
This is a common practice for example at Deutsche Bank (and of course other banks, Deutsche Bank is only the most recent example i know of)
>>768573909
this anon gets it
>>768573909
Ok then.
>Inheritance limits + annual bonus limits
>Is it working yet?
>>768574146
no, just cut their bonus and salary if they don't do well instead of firing people who earn 1/8th of their income
Money is the best invention that humanity has ever created.
Most people are fucking useless and cost their company money. The few productive people have to make up for the useless people and should get paid more for doing so.
>>768574146
Well there are still some more problems to be fixed. Monopolisation, environment protection, minimum wage...
All these things are already embedded within most modern state legislatures. The problem is that the big companies have currently to much power and are influencing politicians to weaken thosre regulation.
We therefore need a system where the economical sphere does not overpower the political sphere
The best example for this is trumps tax cuts, or the tax code of ireland. The idea is to lower taxes so the capital comes to the country.
But this in it self is a surrender. The government should be able to control the capital and enforce laws to the economy and not to beg the capital for its greatfullness to stay in this country.
This is only a sign that the economic sphere is currently more powerfull than the government, and this needs to be changed.
I think the best solution to this is the democratisation of big companies, therefore the companies as well as the government represent the same people and therefore won't overpower each other anymore
>>768564179
>a picture is worth 1000 words
>>768574782
this makes perfect sense, anon i hope one day we will overcome the industrial greed
>>768575420
Volkswagen taunts millions of customers, Nestle starves babies to make more profit and Amazon takes profit losses to outcompete any smaller companie which can not affort doing less profit, Air BnB is basically a big tax evasion software, Deutsche Bank tricks elders into taking high risk contracts, and i could go on for ever.
As it looks for now, it seems like we won't overcome this soon
>>768564179
You do realize pictures have meanings? How fucking shallow are you?
>>768564992
Deport them to Madagascar
>>768565994
If you think of barter vs. money, money has many great advantages
Imagine a world where money was just never invented. The world population is much lower, rural farms with everything they need produced there dominate the landscape, it's likely that inventions like cities, flight, modern medicine, and international commerce would never have evolved because everyone was so busy producing enough food to survive and possibly barter with a surplus for some tools and supplies for livestock. The industrial revolution never happened, so the internet, cars, trains, all transportation looks like the 1400's even now. Without the internet it's likely that the printing press is still the latest invention in mass media, so news is very slow to reach the populace and politics is still dominated by the few very rich (rich in land, not money) who have the free time to attend political meetings and conventions.
I know you all want to whine about how global banking is ruining your life and how interest collection is a cardinal sin, which you may have some valid points but it doesn't even compare to how shitty life is without money at all
>>768576846
Why do faggots keep assuming that op is advocating the barter system.
>>768576968
Ok humor me. What are the alternatives to money that don't involve bartering
>>768577040
No. Do you think i'm your personal fucking schoolteacher or something?
Retards should stay retarded instead of pretending they aren't
Do your own fucking work and stop expecting everyone to sum up every new piece of information into a nice little package for you.
>>768575888
we've been driven too deep into this extreme capitalist society here in europe thanks to the states...it's a shame what we as a civilization have become to.
money is more important than compassion. prestige is more important than humanity. it's sickening and all kept away from the sheeple day after day.
without a revolution on a global scale i doubt things will change.
thanks to the jews
>>768563563
Religion is the worst invention.
>>768564992
feed them the money they crave so much. until they choke to death on the dollar bills
>>768576968
>>768577040
Is it possible that you're stumped because any system that places value in comodities, gold silver fiat money, tokens or credit or government debt or any replacement you would put in is always money, no matter how many steps you take to try to make it look like something else?
I guess one way would be if everyone shared everything, like socialism or communism, and people just provided what they could and took what they needed. But as many examples have shown, this is hard to implement on a mass scale, It disincentivizes people to work hard to get what they want, and it always consolidates wealth and power to the political elite making decisions, as well as being really shitty at helping everyone (ie the poor masses)
>>768577552
"I don't know but you're definitely wrong,"
You're being contrarian and you know it. There aren't ways of exchanging goods and services for tokens of value that aren't money with extra steps
Howabout you try to fix the problems you see within the money system rather than replace it, since there is no good replacement
>>768577692
>Is it possible that you're stumped because any system that places value in comodities, gold silver fiat money, tokens or credit or government debt or any replacement you would put in is always money, no matter how many steps you take to try to make it look like something else?
No, i just couldn't be bothered explaining again that there are other models that don't involve money, some of them you posted but i don't agree with
>It disincentivizes people to work hard to get what they want
There isn't any working model absent of a monetary system (other than barter)that can back up this claim.
>>768563563
There's nothing wrong with money. It's the economics systems surrounding it, and how they're manipulated to serve a few powerful individuals, that is the problem. Even if money magically ceased to exist, there would still be power brokers who exploited people for resources and labor.
The problem is that we're a society out of balance. We have capitalists in spades. What we lack is a populous who understands the need to unionize aggressively in the service sector as was done in industry generations ago. We need as modern labor movement in the worst damn way.
nope, but nigger is
>>768564302
They're not even trying with Dragonball Z anymore are they.
-_-
>>768563563
The worst invention ever created by man was the explosive
because any weapon can be a tool depending on how you're using it
but not many other things are as easily made, readily available, and have the ability to mangle a human life into a splattered mess.
There's no dignity in leaving behind an obliterated body.
Even just an injury caused by an explosive is often worse than any bullet damage you can sustain.
>it's either that or that giant iron bull they used to force people into and then set a fire underneath to slowly cook them
see also
>>768563563
No it's guns
The imbalance in power that guns provided created a dystopia around the planet where small amounts of rich people can subjugate billions.
>>768563563
equality
or
half meassures
that pesky habbit of cutting a deal to survive and not just manning the death
>>768578730
without explosives we wouldn't have access to a lot of mining and raw materials for construction and development. We wouldn't be able to build tunnels or fly to the moon.
Explosives aren't bad inherently, it's the application to weaponry that's the problem (e.g. guns, bombs, mines, etc.)
>>768578730
waar is die screenshot van?
>>768579980
>humanity invented equality and half measures
quit being stupid
>>768579919
Unless you live in America.
Then everybody has power.
>>768576255
That's actually a solution that could potentially be implemented in real life. Deport them all to Madagascar and cordon off the island. The jews will suck out what little wealth the island has, killing all niggers living there in the process.
Talk about killing two birds with one stone.
>>768580111
>everyone has power
kek, not even close
everyone has the power to get shot by a cop after killing a few other people, but that's not a lot of power in the long run.
The only people with power in America don't even live there most the time.
no the jews are the worst invention humans have created. fuck the jews i need to kill all the jews heil hitler zieg heil
>>768565682
i would unite jews and sea bottom
>>768580300
Hitler was a fuckup. He sabotaged his own war and then fled in disgrace, he is the worst thing to ever happen to "his people"
>>768580260
Yeah everyone is basically equal, you can shoot a bunch of people but you'll get shot at right back.
>>768580432
That was pretty good, anon
>>768580458
>everyone
You will not be able to get close to people with real power.
America only seems equal because the top 1% are completely removed from society.
There is no equality, just a bunch of poor peasants killing each other and the aristocracy doesn't give a fuck.
>>768580442
This
Hitler accomplished little other than killing millions of young white European men.
A tiny fraction of jews gassed compared to the colossal loss of white men, both fighting for and against hitler.
Because of world war 2, look at what Germany has become. they've been cucked beyond repair and forced to slowly self destruct.
Now you can't say anything negative about the Jews without getting sent to fucking prison.
Hitler failed and his failure magnified the problem that already existed
>>768580442
He diverted too many resources to burning jews. Resources that could potentially stall the war long enough to force the UK to sign a peace treaty, which would allow him to focus entirely on the Eastern front, maybe even win the war, who knows.
>>768563563
No. Simply because in theory it works brilliantly and for certain reasons, however, I do believe humanity is so incapable of calming their own greed that the end result is how we see things today.
>trading one thing for another
>realise you can sell things in bulk
>only way to sell things in bulk is if it's in one total currency
>money is created
>mass produce things, earn a lot of money
>buy more of what you want
>people get more of what you produce
It's an entirely sound thing until certain people found loopholes and ways to abuse the system to the point of draining it. Anyone today that would actually defend the fact it has been abused on such a large scale to the point of making money entirely useless and defeating its original purpose is a moron.
The saddest part about it, unlike when it was first invented, when people could actually trade skill for it and a lot of it at that.. nowadays people are pushed to their limits to develop a skill in a certain failed to be paid buttons in comparison to what the person at the top with no skill but either luck, daddy's money or a little bit of skill allowing them to dominate thousands, if not millions of people.
>spend 12-15 years in education simply to get a degree (I'm talking from primary school to uni)
>get into a job, start low
>finally get to the top, paid £100,000 a year
The sad thing is, you're probably the reason for millions in profit at that point. Getting paid only a fraction of what your skill has produced.
>>768580829
or the USA would just drop nuclear bombs on Germany.
>>768563563
What a retarded thing to say
Silver and gold are great
Fiat is shit
>>768580829
All he had to do was keep bombing Britain. He simply didn't realize how effective it was and gave up because he wasn't seeing immediate results.
That, and the fact that Japan aggroed America. If he had just maintained diplomatic relations with America long enough to crush Britain, history would be different.
>>768580900
Eh, the nazis were pretty close to developing their own nuke, without a war on two fronts they could probably finish it in time and shake their dick at the allies. Plus, even if the US nuked Germany, it wouldn't guarantee that the nazis couldn't still be able to deploy a nuke.
>>768580990
Basing an economy on natural resources is simply not effective at our current technological level. Natural resources are only stable at a local, undeveloped level.
Mining a single asteroid could increase our gold reserves 10X and completely collapse the world economy.
>>768581100
Yeah, it was unwise of japan to attack the US so early, or at all. But the reason Hitler decided to stop bombing England was because the Luftwaffe focused on fighters, and their bombers were shit.
I don't necessarily think money itself is bad. There's always been a form of currency, whether it's trading live stock, jewels, people or land. People have always had some sort of commodity they've tried to gather to purchase or trade things.
I think the bad thing is materialism and how society has inflated the value of it. People place too high a value on things because of their price point and supposedly luxuriousness. So many people possess this blind materialism that they put their lives essentially in ruin, giving up happiness or what's really best for them in the pursuit of high dollar merchandise.
It's a really twisted machine with advertising, marketing, music and just general culture. Everyone's brainwashed into wanting to be a millionaire and people aren't willing to settle for having a modest life with the things they really need.
>>768580900
Nazi Germany was very close to developing their own nuclear bomb. Not only that, but dropping a nuke on them at the time wouldn't be as easy as you think... it's not as simple as launching one and waiting for a bang.
They at the time had the best air force, trained over years of constant fighting and would have taken down a massive bomber within moments notice. Then you would have nukes landing in France or elsewhere, unlikely to explode.. captured by the Nazis, etc.. you get it.
>>768563811
Goes both way fagget. Because of feudalism, and ultra conservatives on the right side of the spectrum socialism was invented by a run away capitalist nation or society.
Socialism only becomes toxic when it gets into government.
Socialism does not equal a government it's an economic system, and if people weren't so butt hurt about making large amounts of money it can easily work. But it won't happen, there's always some greedy fuck who will kill to get what they want.
Towards the end of the war, Hitler actually amped up the jew-baking, rather than pulling his men from the concentration camps to the front line, which shows his commitment to his ideals. He saw which way the wind was blowing, so he decided to burn as many jews as he could before Germany got overrun.
>>768563563
money is the total that ones mind and hard work combine to produce. it gives people the ability to trade the value of their time equally for the value of another time. a voluntary exchange of money for goods and services ALWAYS results in both parties being better off. Thats not a bad thing.
>>768563563
No, practically, money is man's greatest invention. It standardised the concept of trade, again, man's most important tool. It's the innate idea of 'more' that's fucked humanity, and that's something prevalent in all of Earth's creatures.
>>768563563
Weapons are the worst invention ever
>>768582279
We live on a planet with finite resources, so we better learn how to conserve and manage them better real fucking quick. Dem ice caps don't mess around, boi.
>>768563563
Nah blood, God is the worse invention by mankind
>>768582594
Without the idea of god we wouldn't have Western civilization. Religion is like an operating system for the mind. Though nowadays we're upgrading from that.
>>768563563
I am sorry you are poor. Just keep in mind that money is somewhat a measurement of your value to society.
A sense of belonging and a culture is what lets people be happily complacent in my opinion. Sadly, that goes in tandem with a low quality of life in a lot of countries like China, India, Syria. Politicians and idealists are sociopaths, they feed off of those who were once content because they're easy to step on.
>>768582751
This, religion was crucial in giving civilizations purpose, security and morality... towards themselves, I mean. Replacing religion is political ideology. I wish philosophy had a bigger place in history when it came to populations, but independently they're all too small.
>>768582758
>Just keep in mind that money is somewhat a measurement of your value to society.
I know you say somewhat, but that whole idea really evaporates if you try to drag art into it.
>>768563563
No, that would be islam
>>768583124
Most art has no value until the artist is dead...
Music is different. Depends what you mean.
>>768563563
Religion is way worst
>>768583025
It's the bonding agent that unites people. It formed the identity of every nation today. But i don't think that if you choose not to believe in any religion it becomes political, unless you're into politics. It's more like, if you have a basic understanding of morality, which most people do, you can do without Jesus.
>>768582594
unfortunately, just as necessary as fire
religion was one of the first methods of implementing rules in society
so without God your ancestors would have been murdered just to fuck their women or eat their food.
>>768583681
With the advent of Teslas, we don't need Jesus to take the wheel anymore. It's time to move on.
>>768583917
we pretty much have
most people aren't AS brainwashed as they once were
but it'll always be around because of it's significance in history
>>768583261
by this, bigger problem are jews then neonazis
seems about right
>>768584142
Religion did its part, and it was important, of course. What scares me is that the pressure of Islam could grow in Europe and fill that void. Each generation is less and less religious, yet the influence of muslims keeps growing. The UK is already infested.
>>768583261
>religion of peace
lmao
