7 dead in Australia and considered deemed the worst shooting in 20 years of there country.
Can we get a round of applause for Australia for proving and showing those fat fucking Americans gun laws work.
>>768393565
wow, someone who gets it, congrats
>>768393565
Right after you stop outlawing laser pointers and being faggots.
>>768393565
Let me know when Chicago becomes one of the most violent cities.
>>768395485
thread is kill :(
>>768393565
aussie gun control effectiveness very easily debunked.
do research
>>768396611
Its soo easy that you wont bother to do it
>>768396761
it boils down to:
shootings went down obviously.
but overall violent crime did not decrease any faster than it already was decreasing, a downward trend since the 70's
beatings stabbings rapes etc all went up to compensate for the absence of shootings and defensive uses of guns disappeared.
essentially it just amounted to more varied types of violent crimes being perpetrated on people who could no longer protect themselves, in exchange for fewer shootings.
so no appreciable increase in public safety, not worth giving up your right to self protection.
>>768396761
and America has 300 million guns already.. you could never get rid of them, outlawing them would just instantly create a black market... largely used by violent criminals.
>>768396761
Shooting went down SLIGHTLY because most criminals didn't follow the law and had illegal firearms and didn't turn them in. Then all other crime was decreasing mostly because it was already on the decline before that. Then a few years later it all went up cuz civilians couldn't defend themselves. That basically sums it up.
>>768396761
any further questions?
idiot, it was a farmer murder suicide, on a rural property, that shit happens all the time especcially in hard times. farmers have access to guns legally in aus
>>768393565
This happens in the US on a daily basis so maybe the laws have some effect after all.
>>768397418
That is literally an argument against all laws, are you mental,
>>768393565
Domestic homicide =/= Amerimutt teens blowing away pre-adolescent children in their own schools lol
Most of those killed were children.
I wouldn't be laughing/mocking/finding it humorous.
Ironic, yes.
This latest incident isn't the only one, but since (so many) children were involved it of course made media headlines.
Yes, it proves no amount of anti-gun-legislation is any guarantee of improved safety for the law-abiding against the maniacal/homicidal assholes roaming the planet.
Focus on that, and try to retain some degree of respect for those who've lost their lives.
>>768397460
"civilians couldnt defend themselves" um, in Australia its not seen as a normal part of life to have to "defend yourself". Australia is a very safe country, like i walk on the city streets at 2am and feelsafe
>>768398481
no, its an argument against gun confiscation based on an Australian model as it wasn't effective and would be totally unfeasible in the American context.
>>768393565
>domestic mass shooting
>on a rural property in the middle of nowhere
>exclusively with a single family
>first major one in over 2 decades
Versus
>a concert in Vegas being shot the fuck up
>a black church being shot the fuck up
>schools being shot the fuck up
>all daily
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>768398777
THIS! also, people in rural setting in Australia are still permitted to own guns! Why does nobody recognise this?
you should not need to defend yourself, in Canada people do not often lock their doors, why are the states so different.
>>768398562
This tbh. The fact I literally take shortcuts through Melbourne alleyways at 3am without so much as a hint of anxiety is a testament to how safe I feel from other citizens.
Scariest thing in this country are the politicians.
>>768398955
Niggers, the answer is always niggers
>>768398877
Checking those digits. So you can have guns in the outback? Makes sense, if true..
>>768396611
It's the fact that violent acts against random citizens is less disastrous. I've heard that, per capita, gun violence in Australia is comparable to some gun totting states in America. But it's the fact that in Australia, gun violence is almost exclusively perpetrated against other criminals, not innocents on the street. It's a huge difference that people in Australia can walk around in such confidence knowing they won't be harmed. You can't guarantee that safety in the US, or even most of the EU.
Obviously it's not all thanks to tighter gun laws, but it's still a part of it.
>>768399408
Rural Australians have an obligation to kill certain animals that plague the ecosystem. Rabbits, foxes, feral cats, etc. In fact the government often pays bounties and funds the use of weapons for that sake.
>>768399624
how do rabbits plague the ecosystem
>>768399659
They breed like crazy and outcompete aussie animals. We don't have a lot of predators
>>768399659
They eat, they breed and repeat.
>>768399496
that isn't a question of gun control though, or at least it doesn't seem to be. there is some other cultural element at play.
>>768399659
Absolute fuckton of rabbits = lots of crop loss
>>768399659
They were like snails on leaves when it came to crops. I'm not sure if they're still considered a threat, but they were.
>>768399741
In fact in Queensland rabbits are banned as pets and theres huge fines (in the ten thousands of dollars) for keeping them
>>768399741
>We don't have a lot of predators
>Aussie land
My brain cant compute...
>>768399764
What's cultural is that Australians have never been scared. Americans have every right to be. From their government, from Russia, from other skin colours. That's what they've been told since the beginning. Australians have never had that kind of threat to be scared of, and so they don't feel the need they need to personally protect themselves like that.
>>768399853
Big animals like bears or lions - we have small poisonous ones
>>768399853
Nothing in Australia is big and deadly... Only small and extra, extra deadly. If you piss it off.
>>768399659
Australia literally has a rabbit problem. There are too many there, and they get into things and chew up wiring and shit like that. Like mice/rats
>>768399975
that sounds like an opinion...
>>768393565
go get arrested for saying something bad about islam
>>768398562
>>768399020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes
http://www.news.com.au/national/australias-sexual-assault-shame-one-in-six-women-a-victim-putting-australia-way-above-world-average/news-story/46e88d9ceac5b354f9a8d1d6e055b2dd
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/australia/sexual-consent-law-debate.html
>>768400104
Another australian here- i can definitly agree with his/her point
What kind of psycho would fuck a woman with a gun?
>>768400104
No, an opinion would be saying I feel safe. What's fact is that Australian politicians and media have never perpetuated the fear that a citizen needs to own guns or bats or high tech security systems because their lives are in constant danger. The closest thing to threaten Australia was Japan, and we slapped them silly. In modern days, the only things we fear are our own politicians and China buying land.
>>768400118
go suck a bag of dicks
>>768400147
whether or not you agree with an opinion is pretty irrelevant to statistics and history.
Australian gun control demonstrably had no major effect on violent crime as such in austraila..it simply removed a right.
America has more violent crime.. all the more reason to allow people to protect themselves. id much rather hear more "attempted rapist shit dead" stories in the news
>>768398481
>Anonymous
and yet... 4chan still here in 2018 , whats your point exactly?
>>768400133
This is hardly relevant, this is an issue stemming from totally left of field. Guns wouldn't stop this, ever. I'm referring to public safety and the Australian's mentality of feeling safe as to why people don't want or need guns. It's confidence. I wouldn't for a second even try to lie against the amount of sexual offense that can carry on here, but it doesn't harm the public confidence in personal safety from destruction and their need for weapons.
>>768400246
ok... but gun control didnt make you any safer.. im happy its a nice place to live though, good for you.
too hot for my liking but iv heard a lot of good things... everywhere... and i mean everywhere iv ever been, iv ran into Australians having the time of their lives... tops of mountains, deepest jungles, etc etc.. always there comes a voice "gidday mate mind taking a quick pickcha "
>>768400246
>The closest thing to threaten Australia was Japan, and we slapped them silly
That's not exactly what happened. The Americans and Brits bailed you guys out, the Japanese rolled over your islands just like they rolled over those held by the other allied powers.
>>768393565
>7 dead in australia
>>768400355
Australians are decedents of criminals, pretty sure rape isn't even an actual word uttered there, that's just another banger day in the outback mate.
>>768400545
They didn't do shit you dink, they were busy dealing with them, yeah, but they actually did fuck all in helping Australia specifically. Those islands weren't even 'ours', and the one we decided to plant most of our asses on was the one that had them fuck off.
>>768393565
So we can agree that gun laws won't stop the violence.
>>768400496
ITT: we rename australia "aboriginal rape land"
>>768393565
Oh ya?
How many people have been killed by kangaroos in australia?
Ok how about america??
CHECKMATE FAGGOT
>>768400496
So you're saying Australians mentality doesn't view rape as endangering their safety.
lol, come to AU, if you're raped, well at least you're still safe XD
>>768400642
I have no problem with Australians.
they are basically just tanned Irish people
>>768400716
I'd allow it, the government is dumber than the boongs themselves when it comes to handling Aboriginal relations.
>>768400832
Im from australia and theres no consent laws here, you basically just pick them off the street and bonk them on the head like a cave man
>>768397243
And fewer deaths because you don't clear a room full of people with just a fork or a knife unless you target elderly or children
Our gun laws are strict.....too strict in some cases (I want me some paintball markers and airsoft but our government says no)
in other ways they're quite good, I can go to a school, movie theater or government building without having to worry about being shot, so that's good.
just fix up some of the dumber restrictions and I'll be happy
>>768400984
What if i use a zweinhandler?
>>768400837
Yep you can't argue with facts. Lol
>>768400832
I'm saying that women here aren't scared to walk in the city at night, because they know fuck all is going to happen in those situations lol
Worry about yourself if you're so scared.
>>768400984
mass shootings go down yes violent crimes is generally unaffected..
there are no perfect solutions to anything in the real world unfortunately
>>768401067
>who cares if all our women get raped worry about yourself
Uh ok
(((Island nation with no borders)))
>>768401103
Keep spouting your strawmans, weak dog. Australia's major issues with violence can and will be solved with better methods than mutually assured destruction with walmart pistols.
>>768400695
>t. Aussie who doesn't know jack
>>768401191
Are you one of those britbongs that still thinks Winston Churchill was a hero
>>768400919
American's are so weird about sex, they get offended if a man looks at them weird. Sex should be just like animals, whichever animal gets the most is the most fit to continue it's gene pool.
>>768401033
>when the worst part about being in a country with tight gun laws is that shooting ranges are expensive
Feels okay
>>768401251
Negative
>>768401103
It's not rape if you view yourself as a victim. American victim mentality leads to people shooting each other.
>>768401189
that sounded a lot like
>INDIA WILL BE MAJOR SUPERPOWER BY 2020
>>768401347
...what
>>768401265
Just you wait until India and China shatter their border and become an interbred supernation of ant-humans, then you won't be laughing
>>768393565
I'm confused, who are you mad at?
>>768401408
what? feminist propaganda is bullshit and lies. now you americunts all own guns and have to shoot people who manspread on a bus.
>>768401440
>>768401348
Sheit misquote
>>768401440
Chinks are less subhuman and they will win the war, so it's just going to be more chinks to worry about and all the radiation fallout so your diseased children can only come to the surface in a suit for 5-10 minutes per day.
>>768397243
Well, you have to first understand, liberals don't want to stop murders or mass murders, they just want to stop guns. It a twisted liberal's head it's better to die by knife, truck, bomb, airplane, car wreck, drug over dose, poisoning, really anything other than a gun, cause guns are bad, mmmkay.
>>768401667
Underrated post
>>768401501
...WHAT LOL
>>768401667
Dont demonize people who disagree with you, thats a very bad idea
anti gun campaigners are trying to prevent violence, it just so happens that the obvious solution here is wrong and in fact harmful..
they're just mistaken, thats all
>>768400410
What is even your point?
>>768401878
So then how do you win an argument with pathologically stubborn retards
>>768402273
you dont.
you cant forcibly change someones mind barring extreme measures being taken.
People are stubborn, people for psychological reasons have to believe that their thinking is consistent with their values.
You just have to open the door and hope they walk through it, most people are pretty okay, but change has to seem like their own idea.
Throwing rocks at them will just make them more determined that you are an asshole and so must be in the wrong.
>>768402435
>you can't
Admits he will never change but still wants us to
Fuck off faggot.
>>768402623
i used to believe very much like you.. i found the information for myself, no amount of argument could have changed my mind, it had to be my own doing..i changed my mind myself.
i was so sure gun control was the solution too.
All you can ever do with someone in a policy debate is present the information and hope they look into it themselves later.
its on you.
>>768402623
and I never said people never change, I said you can never change people.. especially people you don't know, and especially in a contentious atmosphere.
you can change you.. thats all
>>768393565
Do they though? Ask the dead people. You guys are red in the face right now. Statistics aside, it's not too nice of a feeling having some trolls who won't even respond to you post happily about your countries peeps dying. Think about it next time something happens in the much bigger, much freer America.
tl;dr Be well, be safe.
>>768403189
So people magically change by themselves.
You are as dumb as fuck anon.
I'll just leave it there.
Go learn something, anything, then come back to us.
>>768403611
no, people educate themselves, they better themselves, their curiosity changes them, it's not magic.
Normally, the cognitive dissonance caused by observation and belief has to produce enough psychological tension to motivate them to change.. then they start looking into things.
You cant force someone to change their opinion because they dig in, especially in contexts such as this
bickering isn't useful.
>>768393565
She looks Jewish.
>>768403867
Please take your women's studies elsewhere. You are all that is wrong with the world.
I'm sorry you grew up in California.
>>768393565
MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN!!!
>believing laws work
how cares about the statistics though, its all emotional screeching anyway.
>>768404247
more akin to conservative values actually
>>768404533
I didn't know anyone in Cali still held such views.
Also, unfortunately your words belie your convictions.
>>768404670
no, im a moderate conservative, psychologist.
>>768393565
....on alt-left chicks.
>>768405498
im pretty sure that was the troll, yes
>>768393565
>mass shooting in one of the strictest countries for guns
>gun laws work
>>768404778
I bet you never say that around your 'colleagues'.
Just here on an anonymous board. /pol/ would really get a dig out of you. The worst of the worst.
>>768406075
im not sure you have understood me correctly
>>768393565
>goes into bank
>"put the money in the bag!"
>"I've got my fists and I'm not afraid to use them!"
You guys.
Australia is exactly the same as the USA. If you do what we did you will have the exact same results.
I don't understand what americahnts don't get, it's easy.
Don't you want a queen? Don't you want your ability to defend your family stripped away?
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF THE QUEEN JUST BE LIKE ME
