How's that gun control going, Australia.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/11/asia/australia-osmington-bodies-intl/index.html
Oh come on now. We all know it's not the gun's fault. It's Steve Erwin's fault you retard.
All those gun laws and people still getting shot.
>>768366334
Pfft
Seven people
>mass shooting
Fucking retards
>>768366500
"a mass killing is defined as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator"
>>768366554
Whose definition is that? The FBI's definition is 4+ with no "cooling off" period.
>>768366727
Wikipedia. Don't have the energy to actually look.
>>768366777
You know how I know you're full of shit? Here, I'll help you out. These are teh first two sentences
>Mass murder is the act of murdering a number of people, typically simultaneously or over a relatively short period of time and in close geographic proximity.[1][2] The FBI defines mass murder as murdering four or more persons during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders.
Gun control is to reduce mass murders not completely prevent them, looks like we've done that pretty well since this is considered the worst at 7 people in 2 decades.
>>768366870
Still not working faggot.
>>768366841
4 is less than 7.
>>768366870
But it has if you actually look into it rather then guessing like a 4 year old with downsyndrome.
Once again we have learned that every civilian should be allowed and encouraged to carry a firearm to prevent gun-related crime.
>>768366978
Four is more than three.
>"a mass killing is defined as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator"
>source: wikipedia
>>768366334
Still better than countries with minimal gun control....
>>768367067
your logic is faulty.
its still a mass shooting no matter which definition you choose.
>>768367112
If those poor people had their own guns they could have defended themselves.
>>768367165
Four of them were children.. This was the worst mass shooting in two decades. How many have been killed in America from guns since then?
>>768367130
>logic is faulty.. 4 is equal to 3!!!!1oneoneone
Here, let me assist you since you haven't figured it out yet. I haven't said it wasn't a mass murder. I asked where you got that definition, because the definition depends on the LOCATION. You responded with an absolutely batshit insane "wikipedia" .. which resulted in me showing that you're a moron. Can you figure it out from there?
>>768367298
Irrelevant. Gun control has failed.
>>768367339
my answer was literally also from wikipedia. what the fuck are you on
>>768367370
Haha incident mitigation of gun violence has not
>>768367404
No, it wasn't. Upon doing a search for the word "excluding" - which is a word YOU quoted - I find zero results. You are beyond retard levels of REEEEE.
>>768367640
durrrr
>>768367688
>"a mass KILLING is defined as ..."
Then quote the right fucking article you inbred fuck.
>>768367768
Fuck them. Socialists deserve nothing but contempt.
itt: retards, "acting" like retards, trolls retards "acting" like retards
>>768368096
An old bloke shot his family. Not some other cunts family. Not some little fucking kids at school. Not some hill billies at a concert. Not some faggoty arses in a club. Take your ar15 and shove it up your arse you dumb neckbeard american cunt. Nobody loves you so you best go shoot up a burger king.
>>768366334
The unfortunate truth is we still let farmers have them. We need to reign those in as well I think
Total ban coming up
>>768369385
Oh, well, I see, I guess murdering your large family doesn’t count then, right?
>>768369474
Sorry, or you know spend less time drinking and shitposting and spend a wee bit more on mental health and you might save a family or two more.
Just a thought.
- t. Canada
>>768366334
Point 1: The last Mass shooting occurred in Australia in 1996 which was 22 years ago, so I would have to say its going magnitudes better than America.
Point 2: Farmers have sustainably less gun restrictions than your average Joe here in Australia, so there is a good chance that this will only solidify a motion to restrict gun ownership on farmers further.
Point 3: You are clearly from a culture that is so desensitized to gun violence that you don't recognize this as a tragedy but rather a weak ass attempt to discredit gun control. This story made national headlines in Australia but would have been just a blip on the radar in America.
>>768368152
>>768366334
This is a family homicide. This has nothing to do with the mass killing sprees in public spaces that are a serious issue in the USA
>>768367165
They were killed with their own guns.
>>768371072
>Point 1: The last Mass shooting occurred in Australia in 1996 which was 22 years ago, so I would have to say its going magnitudes better than America
That is a partial lie.
Mass shootings since Port Arthur in 1996
Wright St Bikie Murders - 1999
Monash Uni Shooting - 2002
Hectorville Seige - 2011
Hunt Family murders - 2014
Wedderburn shooting - 2014
Sydney hostage crisis - 2014
Margaret River shooting - 2018
>>768371072
Op is a amercunt faggot. What to expect, Im sad Kim Jung wont be nuking Op's faggot ass.
>>768370442
Wtf you on about?
We aussies spend fuck tonnes on mental health and welfare. More than Canada even
>>768366927
Compared to the US? How's that working out?
>>768371541
Well then they needed backup guns that shot out smaller guns that shot out fucking cannonballs.
>Australia has first mas shooting since gun control
>How's that gun control going, Australia?
Pretty good considering this was an isolated incident and not a weekly thing like in murica
>>768371781
Sorry but it’s obviously not working. Look at how many mass shootings you all have >>768371725
>>768371939
>Australia has had less mass shootings since 1996 than murica has since 2017
>Obviously it isn't working
>>768371939
Try to list all mass shootings in the USA since 1996. Go on faggot. Have a go... Before you hit the post limit make a new thread and link it here
>>768372023
I’m Canadian. I don’t know what America does, but I do know it’s a lie to claim no mass shootings since Port Arthur when very clearly you do have them repeatedly.
>>768372130
That is not a list. The Aussie list has been posted. Although almost all of them are family homicides which are not the same thing as public rampages USA style. It also seems to include the lindt Cafe seige which wasn't a mass shooting.
>>768372295
You realize the U.S. has 12 times the population of Australia right? Australia has the same amount of people as Texas.
>>768372295
>family mass shootings don’t count
Is this what you’re actually claiming, Aussie Anon? Your families don’t matter?
>>768372368
And they have way less than 1/12 of gun-related deaths and rampages... Way, way, way, way less.
You dumb fuck.
>>768372408
Family shootings aren't accounted for in us mass shooting statistics, so it's a moot point
>>768372447
Don't bother man, these threads are dumb as shit.
Aussie gun control has been super effective, but we're not even inclined to shoot each other much anyway.
I know it makes me a bad person but I can't help it. It just makes me giggle when things come together perfectly like this. Now you can see, if you choose to not ignore it, why the right to bear arms should NOT BE INFRINGED. If those people had been given the simple right to defend their own lives, this wouldn't have happened.
>>768372447
Source on that ?
>>768372447
>>768372547
You guys are fucked once the Chinese give Indonesia the go ahead to light you fuckers up
>>768366334
America:
>has shooting every other week
>other country has one shooting so they decide they don't need gun laws
You're the laughing stock of the world, America. Have fun killing each other.
>>768366334
>If a law doesn't stop something completely then we should just make it legal
Rape still happens even though that's illegal... Should we just legalise rape then?
>>768372368
>317 mass shooting in us in 2017
>8 mass shootings in Aus since 1996
Population obviously has nothing to do with it anon
>>768367227
>i used 100 shootings to get these numbers
holy mother of autism
>>768372447
>>768372547
>>768372717
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
>Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year
> Australia 1.04
>Guns per 100 inhabitants - 13.7
>U.S. - 11.96
>Guns per 100 inhabitants - 101
Oh hey, it's the fucking same except we're not cucked out of our guns.
>>768372700
Apples and oranges. Rape isn't (well, usually) going to stop another rape. A gun can stop another gun. Simple logic. The right to bear arms must be universal.
>>768372796
So you're saying number of guns corrilates with gun deaths?
So you admit gun control works?
>>768372796
You fail at math.
>>768372368
So you can list all the US mass shootings easily then
>>768372796
>linking info that proves you wrong
the absolute state of guntards
>>768372408
I'm saying family homicides and mass shootings in public spaces are different things.
>>768372927
>>768373018
>>768373030
Australia has 1/12th the population of the U.S. and their death rate is literally 1/12th of the U.S. The number of people who have guns in the U.S. is nearly 10x that of Australia. Your gun control did jack shit except make it easier for the government to shut you cucks down the second you get out of line.
>>768372824
But if another person doesn't have a gun you won't need to use a gun to stop their gun. Simple logic. The more people have guns the more others feel they need to have a gun too, and more killing will ensue, and Americans will continue to look more and more retarded...
>>768372824
>in favour of guns
>"simple logic"
top kek
>>768373087
you are linking per capita number you absolute fucking retard, they adjust for population
>>768367873
Page headlines and directly quoted sentences from enacted bills aren't the same. If the bill explicitly stated "mass killing" versus "mass shooting", then that's a definition for a mass killing, and don't hold up in court as a defined mass shooting. Just a triple homicide.
>not other guy
>>768373115
Oh yeah, all those videos in Brazil and Russia of civilians stopping armed robberies are just fake setups. Of course!
>>768372824
Jesus what a retarded argument
use your fucking head retard
>>768372555
You want guns so you can shoot your grandfather. That's what the first amendment is for?
>>768373171
but... if the robbers didn't have guns.. then the civilians wouldn't need them ether... Think retard
>>768373087
>Australia has 1/12th the population of the U.S. and their death rate is literally 1/12th of the U.S.
"Rate" doesn't work that way Cletus, according to your info the us has over 144x the mass shootings when you don't scale it down for population
>>768372592
No understanding of geography or military situation in Australasia.
>>768373171
>i want to live in a place like brazil
fucking what
>>768372796
1=11 guys
>>768373213
>>768373243
The list is literally given per 100,000 people in each country, nothing is adjusted. Spend more than 30 seconds looking at a chart next time
>>768373305
course it does, are you stupid or something?
>>768373321
fuck.... he actually doesnt know how stats work
>>768373115
Hey, if you can just snap your fingers and get rid of all the guns, do it. You can't, you dip. Yes, getting rid of all guns would be great but you CAN'T. Criminals will find a way to get them and no one in their right mind thinks it's better to not be able to stand on equal ground with your would-be killer.
>>768373143
Yes, simple. Logic. See above.
>>768373172
Not an argument.
>>768373087
Jesus fucking Christ you're a retard.
>per 100,000 population per year
>>768373087
No. Try again.
Hint: per 100k
>>768373213
You're braindead. What makes you think the robber won't have a gun? There is factually no evidence that a country with high volume of gun ownership was stripped of their guns, and gun violence ceased. Australia still has a lot of illegal guns and gun related crime. They have a lot more stabbing and vehicular killings as well. And other places are getting bombs and gas attacks and kidnappings. The ratio of non gun related crime goes up farther than the same amount of gun crime that was committed before the ban.
>>768372514
I believe the FBI does count them in their yearly statistics they tally.
>>768373171
Uhm who said that? And why are you in favour of armed robberies? Maybe if people didn't fucking have guns there wouldn't be a demand for more guns do defend yourself from the other fucking maniacs with guns? I like in the UK and I haven't seen a person get held up with a gun in my life, and I'm happy not feeling like I need to get a gun for self defence... You know why? Because I don't want to get fucking SHOT
>>768366334
at least is not happening on a daily basis, just like in the US
>>768366334
pretty well actually
>>768373414
>Make guns illegal
>Only people with access to guns now are people who don't give a damn about breaking the law, criminals
Great job Eurocuck
>>768373388
again
>if making something illegal doesn't stop the crime completely then there's no point in making it illegal at all
so let's legalise rape, murder and heroin then
Honestly what's the worst thing that can happen from taking maniac rednecks guns away? Less people get shot?
>>768373075
Not really. They are still mass shooting murders.
Just because the victims are related to the murderer doesn’t make it different, sorry.
>>768373196
Not exactly what I was saying but sure. If ol' gramps comes at me with intent to take my life or otherwise harm me, you bet I want a gun for myself to take his ass out.
>>768373321
>per 100,000
think about what this means buddy
>>768373488
Have fun at your childs funeral after they get shot by their classmate, faggot
You know to the rest of the world a school getting shot up isn't normal? In fact, it'sdconsidered very very fucking horrible thing
>>768373388
>Australia still has a lot of illegal guns and gun related crime.
Compared to where. The USA? No. You're just wrong. Not a little bit. Completely.
>>768373321
Obviously it is adjusted you fucking mong. You're saying gun control doesn't work because Aus has 1/12 gun deaths and 1/12 population, but that 1/12 of gun deaths is adjusted for the smaller population. America has 144x the gun deaths, and you're 12x as likely to be killed by a gun in America.
Read up on statistics sometime, it's really not that hard
>All the cucks itt who likely can't even shoot a gun without jumping through hoops for their government
Just bought a 200 rounds of ammo, going to the range tomorrow. feelsgoodman
>>768373654
what a gay hobby
>>768373504
In any case, they are counted. I think they are a different entity. A different type of crime.
>>768366334
Still much better than the States thanks.
>>768373691
Yeah let me just go post in trap threads and FB/IG threads all day like real men
>>768373388
Oh yeah all the guns people buy and own illegally, they're everywhere
>not
>>768373654
>I like to go to a big empty place, shoot a gun for 20 minutes, then go home thinking im cool
nice meme dude very nice!
>>768373497
MORE people get shot, fuckface. There is no comparison to rape, murder, or heroin. Those are completely different issues. If you take the people's right to defend themselves, they're more likely to die getting shot by people who don't care about the law or be branded as criminals for daring to acquire a gun illegally to get back the most basic right, the right to life. If you can't understand this, there is no saving you.
>>768373520
The event that occurred was probably grandpa shooting his whole family. With the family gun. So that family had guns in the house... Great defence that gun provided.
>>768373778
No, I'm pretty sure if there are laws against guns less people would get shot
>>768373778
this is represented in no crime statistic ever anywhere, everywhere that has good gun control has less gun deaths than those wtihout
>>768373605
http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/scary-trend-in-australian-gun-crime-with-more-than-200-shooting-deaths-a-year/news-story/374b4e55fdbb1718079c36979245d50c
It is disingenuous to claim Australia doesn’t have a gun problem when your own media are reporting on the rise in gun crimes.
>>768373789
You're honestly just making a good argument for why people should be legally required to carry at all times.
>>768373762
Well I live in Arizona so if I wanted to I could just go hunt coyotes. Waiting to get my AR before that
>Only $500 Ameribucks
Literally the best state to live in if you enjoy guns. Rented a WW2 Browning machine gun for me and my dad on fathers day. Felt like Rambo. I remember two years ago when everyone wanted Jordans and shoes, for two pairs of Jordans I can get an AR15. It's pretty fucking great man
>>768373778
>MORE people get shot, fuckface
Except in every country that's ever done this.
>>768373697
Murder is murder regardless whether or not you know or are related to the victim or killer.
>>768373087
Why can't burgers ever seem to grasp per capita stats
Every fucking time
>>768373827
>>768373850
Well, I can't stop you if you want to live in a fantasy world.
>>768373778
Yeah, because people are getting shot every day with illegally acquired guns in countries that aren't retarded enough to give insane people guns, sure
>>768373850
Honduras, Mexico, Columbia, Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina, etc. would like to disagree.
>>768373919
You know, guns are illegal in the country I live in.. And I have never seen a gun in my life. And guess what? Our schools have fire drills instead of "what to do if someone starts shooting up the place" drills
>>768373869
>http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/scary-trend-in-australian-gun-crime-with-more-than-200-shooting-deaths-a-year/news-story/374b4e55fdbb1718079c36979245d50c
>shows in artcle that its not rising that fast if at all
>even says in the article that most of them are suicides anyway
nice try
>>768371725
*Monash Uni Shooting (2 Killed)
*Wright St Bikie Murders (3 Killed)
*Hectorville Seige (2 Killed)
*Hunt Family murders (3 Killed)
*Wedderburn shooting (3 Killed)
*Sydney hostage crisis (2 killed one of which was by accident by a police bullet ricochet)
*Margaret River shooting (is the current incident that you think justifies no gun control)
None of those incidents in between the 22 (exclusive) years constitutes a Mass Killing.
A good count of your listed events occurred in isolated residences where it would not have matter if every Australian had a gun, no one would have been able to defend the victims, in fact tougher gun restrictions may have prevented the shooter from obtaining a gun.
The Sydney hostage siege was authored by a radicalize religious nut job, which is what the previous Potus was attempting to implement reasonable gun control for.
So just to entertain the idea that your list was not misleading, since gun control was enforced in '96 your list accounts 22 deaths in total over 22 years comparative to the 656 (Mother Jones Database) in America.
>>768373629
Australia has 250~ gun deaths annually after the grab. Their citizens are now subjects, and they are the property of the state, t. Alfie
The US is 14x the population of Australia. Let's fairly compare the total of Australia's firearm deaths to just the US murder rate. The US has roughly 45x the gun crime at 11000 intentional firearm deaths.
The US are a free people in all sense of the word. You cucks don't know what that is.
>>768373892
do you need a permit to hunt animals? seems like a good deal
>>768373880
>everyone should carry guns to protect themselves from their own family in their own home
Fuck. Sucks to be you. Hope you don't sleep.
>>768373967
Literally this, all the guns flooded their during the cold war to fight "DUH COMMUNISTS" haven't left. Get a fucking M16 for like $85. You know, the rifle that's FULL AUTO and isn't semi auto like an AR. My cousins there have fucking MAC10s that they got for the same price as a couple of t shirts. Made in the 70s
>>768373903
>>768373924
Alright, I can see there is no convincing you. Let me try a different angle. Suppose this is true, good luck fighting the inevitable foreign invaders with no guns. Good luck fighting the inevitable corrupt government.
>>768374006
Confirmed for sheltered as fuck. They're everywhere. You can't just press a "delete guns" button. Also that's very unwise. When somebody does come for your kids, they're not going to know what to do.
>>768373919
>shit they're right
>eerrrrr you live in a fantasy world
>phew that should get them off my back
>>768373778
>Take guns away
>More people get shot
logic
>>768366334
lol, OP. Assuming your American we are doing alot better than you, it took one mass shooting in the past and gun control was in place, America is full of ghettos stocked with guns and you wonder why everyone keeps fucking dying?
>>768374074
Or home invaders... oh, sorry. I forgot you guys live in a dream where no one ever breaks the law except law abiding citizens.
>>768374034
>can get a gun easily enough to kill yourself but not for a crime
This literally proves your criminals are fucking cowards at the feet of your government. Pussy.
>>768374131
>take guns away
>possible
>at all
Retarded.
>>768373967
notice i said good gun control
these countries have governments that barely even function in the most basic sense
what a disingenuous fucktard you are
>>768374110
Nobody is going to come for my kids because nobody has a fucking gun
>>768374034
>83% rise, very slow pace
"The New Daily reported in November that incidents involving firearms rose 83 per cent in NSW from 2005-6 to 2014-5."
>>768374067
You do need a permit but there is no bag limit here. No one cares either because coyotes are fucking varmints. They kill people's cats and dogs all the time, they hop fences and dig under them. People get more upset about the foxes because they keep to themselves and people only kill them because they like the pelts. Coyotes are fucking assholes though
>>768374110
Okay, I have to apologise for trying to have a debate with you because I didn't realise that you're insane
>>768366418
>>768366334
>7 dead! Worst mass shooting in two decades!!
>Lol guess gun control doesn't work
Murrica.
>>768374153
id rather have cowards for criminals than 15 year olds blasting away their fellow students day after day
>>768374186
Never seen a gun
never will
>>768374229
>didnt even read the rest
oof
>>768374206
I'll be praying for your kids. That's not going to protect them from your lunacy, but it's something.
>>768374250
Okay. I guess that's code for "I have no argument."
>>768374110
>good luck fighting the inevitable foreign invaders with no guns.
>What is military
>>768374230
shit, I'd be blasting there instead of at a range then. A hobby and a public service
>>768374276
You will. I hope you wise up before then so you're prepared.
>>768373760
You're forgetting all of the laws that Australia had on owning guns before. It usually starts with a registry. There are millions upon millions of rifles with NO papertrail because of FREEDOM. It is not possible to take our guns. There are too many. It would have to be a full on invasion. Red dawn. Basically. If you want the truth. The U.N. or something on behalf of the US.
>>768374040
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting
>However, according to the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012, signed into law in January 2013, a mass killing is defined as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator.
Only 3 of those would be excluded. It still shows Australia has had mass shootings since Port Arthur proving that people lie when they claim Australia hasn’t.
>>768374110
>Good luck fighting an inevitable corrupt government
You're right. Government's do get inevitably corrupt. They're government's. It's what they do. So it's been 300 yeaslrs almost America. Haven't done anything about that there government yet have you..
>>768374110
gig (short for giggle)
>>768374152
This incident was not a home invader. It was grandpa. Follow along.
>>768374334
>the military is some kind of unstoppable force and you dont need a backup plan
>>768374268
The thing I don't get is who the fuck doesn't have a safe? My dad took me shooting all the time as a kid, I never knew his safe code. When I first bought my guns I bought a safe before I bought the pistols. I also learned firearm safety and listened to what the fucking instructors had to say.
There are so many people that just leave loaded guns like under their pillow or in a dresser. That's so fucked stupid, you can get safes that fit in the back of a closet and are bolted down. Leave the gun loaded in there, takes me not even 5 seconds to open it and get my gun. Firearm safety should be a prerequisite to owning any gun
>>768373152
Retard
>>768374386
Don't need to yet. They've mostly left our important rights alone. You guys don't even have the right to defend your own life. What the fuck?
>>768374204
They all have laws denying private ownership to criminals and make it nearly impossible to legally acquire one.
What a disingenuous piece of shit you are.
>>768374415
>every single incident is going to involve grandpa
>>768374308
You mean this part?
"Charges for possession and trafficking of guns in South Australia saw a 49 per cent rise over four years."
or this
"It found there had been a 41 per cent increase in drive-by shootings in the previous 24 months."
or this
"Victoria is similarly affected, with a 52 per cent increase in firearms offences to 3645 between 2009-10 and 2014-15."
or this?
"Most importantly, the number of illegal and often stolen firearms filling the streets is huge, and gun-related crime is rising in many parts of the nation."
>>768374420
>we are now letting all of the public pack heat every day and night because one day we might see a foriegn force cross the ocean, get though our military and then go to texas shoot hillbillys for some reason.
even arguing for what you are, why not just give guns away when the war actually starts. then you dont have gun death in day to day life and you feel safer in times of war
>>768366334
https://youtu.be/9TWrBhgS-ss
>>768374268
I would rather sleep at night knowing I'm a free man to do what I want and say what I want, and defend my own life using a diverse set of skills and tools. I don't need somebody else to protect me. I have a gun as a last resort. And a rifle for hunting. And tyranny. Or niggers in my house at night. There's no legal definition for hate speech btw so eat my ass
>>768366334
This would have a point to it if it didn't say that it was the worst in two decades. Gun control has obviously reduced the number of deaths drastically, but there is still ways to get guns, and there are still crazy people. If guns were as widely available in Australia as they are in America, this would be common news.
>>768374153
The government has criminals cowering at its feet. This is a bad thing because?
>>768374420
>There's constantly FOREGIN Invaders and PEDOPHILES coming for me an my kids
Good to see the American fear machine is still working. How often do invaders go door to door for no reason? From a military standpoint that makes absolutely no sense.
>>768374464
>but if its in muh safe how can i shoot someone over my bed with a gun in the middle of the night
>>768374466
Doodoo head
>>768374488
laws dont matter if a corrupt police force and lazy government doesnt inforce anything
fuck you are dense
>>768374488
They all have corrupt, inept, underfunded law enforcement agencies
>>768374531
Because sometimes the war is against your own government and they're not just going to hand out guns to the guys they're fighting? Also why just feel safe during a war when you can be safer during times of relative peace?
>>768374514
Didn't follow the thread did you? I told you to, but you just don't listen
>>768374559
>admiting you'd rather keep a gun and have kids shooting each other than give it up
well, i guess you are consistant enough, if not little insane
>>768374588
If literally had this happen to me before. I heard them the second they craweld through my house's back window. As soon as they saw me aiming the gun they took off. I called the cops and they got the guy a few miles away (neighbors saw the car driving off and gave the description, I had the description of the guy) I've heard similar things happening to other people. I'm like 5 steps away from my closet
>>768374587
So I guess you can get rid of your seatbelt, fire alarm, locks. When's the last time you needed those? Seriously:
>what is being prepared?
>>768374665
when are you going to war against them then? its been corrupt for longer than anyone here has been alive, is the sole reason you have a gun to protect your guns? seems pretty circular
>>768374559
>American
>free
Enjoy that corporatocracy Yankee
Better get your guns
>>768374628
>drunk driving laws don’t matter because people drink
>murder laws don’t matter because people murder
>rape laws don’t matter because people rape
What’s it like being stupid?
>>768374733
crawling through a window =/= standing over you
i was trying to say that the poeple that leave their guns out of a safe only do it incase they wake up to late to open a safe, in your story you had plenty of time to access a safe
>>768374485
Don't need to. I'm allowed to have a gun in my country provided I'm not crazy (oh. I have a gun too). And no judge in his right mind is going to charge me for defending my life. It isn't illegal. That's sensationalised hyperrbole.
But truth his we don't think about it. I'm more scared of getting in an accident on the way to work because statistically, that's mountains more likely to happen. Same with falling down the stairs or having a heart attack at age 70.
There are illnesses and disorders diagnosed and associated with worrying about shit that probably isn't going to happen, man. And even in the state of US gun control, which is god fucking awful, you as an individual still have lottery odds of getting shot and needing a gun..
>>768374639
>implying those deny the fact gun control laws are in place and don’t control law abiding citizens from there
>>768374819
well of course they dont matter if they arent being enforced
what are you even trying to say?????
>>768374525
>Offen stolen firearms
From.gun owners? If only they had guns they could stop the kids from.stealing their guns and using them for gun crimes...
>>768366334
>https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/11/asia/australia-osmington-bodies-intl/index.html
Australia: 7 people killed - worst mass shooting in 20 years.
USA: 7 people killed - just another day
I'd say gun control in Australia is working pretty well.
>>768374880
That shit is loud though, we have newer windows and what they did was knock it to make it slide out of the rail it was on, then they pulled the window out. I could hear the bang from when they knocked it out and the scraping from when they set it down outside. How deep of a sleeper would you have to be to not hear that? Get a dog too, dog will alert you like a security system and will probably make them fuck off too
>>768374760
Thing is though you can easily be prepared in Australia. Owning a gun isn't illegal at all. You just need to fill in a form, have a police check, join a club and shoot at least 4 times a year at the range to maintain your skills. And if you store your guns at home you need a gun safe so they can't be stolen. Its a little challenging but that's great. I don't want you having a gun if you aren't able to manage it.
>>768367227
>tinyurl source
>>768374583
Because the majority of crime are individuals acting out on emotions or needs like people who claim they need to rob you to feed their kid. The idea is to have a free, and responsible citizen. A citizen proud to live in the land of the Free. Freedom comes with responsibility. And (ideally) the justice system should be used more properly to deter people from making.... poor decisions. But to consider very realistically, a small amount of primitive human on human death compared to the population. It is not rightful or just to strip away the defense of the individual and of the people against their government just because they chose to use a specific tool. Have you seen the death rates of vehicles and drugs? There are over 37,000 fatal vehicle accidents due to negligence and 10k were drunk driving. That's ridiculous. Meanwhile in places without freedom, chemical attacks, bombs, knives and vehicular attacks are sharply rising and crime is getting worse overall.
Yeah it's just not worth it. And all to be cucked in the end. Panzy
>>768374706
Yes, I would most certainly rather keep my gun than worry about 3 children that died 1600 miles away from me that 300 years ago I might not have known was even a habitable region of the earth
>>768374978
you're a special kind of stupid aren't you?
>>768374941
I have a friend in Venezuela who attempted to get a personal gun for work, he was part of the civil police force since he was ex-military.
He applied for his purchasing permit and was denied. As a cop, he was denied.
They are enforced when it is against normal citizens who attempt to follow the laws.
By your rationale - since there are so many unsolved crimes then no laws matter.
>>768375039
Dogs are king of alerts usually.
>>768366334
Keep trying, Amerimutt, but a domestic family mass shooting is utterly uncomparable to your white cuck youth shooting children in schools LOL
How about you focus on your own problems instead of a minor hiccup in our decades of success :)
>>768375076
You can get a gun legally in Australia. A criminal cant. They would fail the police check. Criminals are not responsible free men. They should be choosing before the power of the justice system.
>>768375076
BTW, no one needs to rob to feed their children in Australia. I know that Americans cannot fashion this.
>>768375041
Wow, that's terrible, having to do all that just to be sure you won't die in a shooting. Join a club and shoot at a range 4 times a fucking year? That's like slavery, holy shit. A safe? What the fuck? In the time it'll take you to grab your gun in an emergency, you're already dead. No one's going to steal your gun. Any half-competent robber is already going to have one. How are you okay with being this cucked? This is like, top level tyranny. I'm honestly concerned for your whole country's well-being, man. Fucking do something.
>>768366870
Monash University shooting 2002
>>768374922
No. Implying the law is not enforced so it is meaningless
>>768374893
I need to emphasize this man.
We argue about it passionately, but once we leave the door it's out of our minds. The gun is tucked away and were about our day as if it's our cellphone. I'm certainly more worried about a car accident with the super lax driving standards here. The people fucking suck. You can brake like nobodies business with good gear and a stick though so that's the route I go.
I'm much more worried about my health and the way our schools and markets sell us nothing but garbage.
>>768366870
Notice noone cares about banning single mums when she stabs her 3 or 4 kids plus a cousin?
>>768375188
>Not sure if on my side and totally missed the sarcasm or if a gunfag and totally missed that the guns used in street crimes are being stolen from gun owners who by murrica logic would automatically be granted divine protection from anything bad ever happening.
>>768375066
>too dense to know tinyurl is a url shortening service.
>>768366334
First major gun tragedy in decades... pretty well I'd say.
If a building collapsed because it didn't follow building codes, would you ask "how's those building regulations working out for ya'?... losers".
Only retard Americans think like this.
The Australian Police Murdered Crocodile Dundee.
>>768367434
Fact : There are more guns in legal hands in Australia than before Port Arthur, just extremely less semi-automatic longarms.
Fact: There are more illegal guns in the hands of criminals since Port Arthur.
Don't take my word for it Google both and also have a look at the high rates of imported and home made submachine guns the cops keep finding in drug raids.
>>768375414
>not sure if you're actually retarded or you actually think that all gun crime in .au is committed by stolen guns
>>768375540
>imported and home made submachine guns the cops keep finding in drug raids.
lies, see
>>768375414
all gun crime is from stolen guns
>>768375341
No. It's not terrible. Are you a drama queen or what? Or a bit of an inconvenience but I don't do it to be sure I'm not sit. The fact that you have to do that to get a gun ensures that in not sit. But those who want to be prepared and are responsible adults can. The USA seems to just be full of immature teenage posers when it comes to guns.
>>768375326
You so generally donate your paycheck to make sure everybody is well fed and housed.
More like are forced to. It's called taxes bud and everybody uses it.
The only difference is I don't feel like it's my responsibility to ensure the entire states or countries well being is kept to par. I have myself to worry about and a family. I know you're all just teenagers here but the real life of it is that life isn't easy and words and ideas on paper.
Like I said earlier, even if Australia's crime rate for knives etc wasn't going up, it still wouldn't pan out the same. Simple fact is no registry = millions and millions if not at least 150 million of the US guns are in the populations hands with no paper trail leading to them. For handguns sure but your handgun is only to get you to your rifle.
You don't stand a chance without a full military invasion. Our troops won't do it. They risk their lives for this shit. Can't remember the "law" But the 70/30 rule of not obey/obey for LEO and armed service.
The U.N. would assist in disarming us. I hope we put up a decent fight. Fuck you commie niggers. I'll live to see the day I hope I die before becoming a servant of government. Peasants
>>768375480
execept he is right, its a load of trash
>>768375013
Because you need more than a car a knife and a hammer to protect yourself from ARMED aggressors ,aka; The Government.
The car, knife and hammer are just as lethal to unarmed people
>>768366334
Ausies are raging Fags. The can't hook up with hot chicks because they don't have Doublelist.com.
>>768375576
Of course it isn't. But a lot is.
Guess if you did a criminal background check and mental health assessment we could you know. Reduce legal gun sales to potential criminals.
>>768375877
>chicks
No thanks.
>>768375341
Robbers don't have guns here. If you carry a gun while robbing and get caught you are going away for a long time. Of course in the USA all sentences are 3 billion years ago none of that had any effect. In fact there aren't many robbers.
>>768375778
citation needed.
>>768375848
Talmudic Jewish Sheriff's Logic...
>>768375741
Californian majority populace would hand their guns in during an Australian style Howard government buy back
>>768375900
so if you buy a firearm from a licensed dealer in the stats you do not have to pass the background check?
>>768375848
>>768376028
The coast of California would you fucking dolt. Center and nocal and east side would not. You severely underestimate how many gun lovers are in California dying to escape.
>>768375370
>trying to justify your opinion on how laws work
>>768375741
Wow. Good luck rambo
>>768376117
Where does the majority of the Californian populace live?
Who did I say would turn them in?
Learn to language before you dolt.
>>768375658
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/jeweller-angelos-koots-admits-to-making-submachine-guns-at-his-seven-hills-home-and-supplying-them-to-bikie-groups/news-story/e67da40de031be70cae7cd08ab560cd4
Okay, guys. Clearly the time is approaching when we'll need to stop asking "how do we convince people to not give up their God-given rights" and ask "how will we stop them when they come to take them?" Civil war discussion time. Hypothetically, push comes to shove, what do?
>>768376204
How do laws work genius? Law passed: all citizens spandrels obey. No enforcement necessary.
>>768376509
>Hypothetically, push comes to shove, what do?
Wait for a liberal city to send police to enforce said laws.
Watch as people are murdered by police on t.v. and internet.
Watch as Military and Police in other states walk away.
Join them in a Revolution.
Take Country Back.
>>768376517
Whether you believe they are enforced is opinion, what is fact is that they were passed into law by politicians and are used to keep non-criminals disarmed by making the requirements impossible to achieve or making them an “at will” licensing that can be denied for any, or no, reason at all by law enforcement.
As I stated with what occurred with my Venuzuelan friend who was part of the civil police force - he was denied a license to purchase a personal firearm for work. He found out the laws are enforced.
>>768374333
Fuck off, Christfag. Go off yourself and meet your god sooner.
>>768376893
There’s that tolerant leftist atheist for us.
I seriously can't understand Americans rationale for owning so many guns
>Muh freedoms!!
We're free to own guns in Aus as long as we get a licence and register them. Also need to be a member of a club and attend 4 meets a year.
>Muh tyrannical government
You seriously think you and your mates can band together and have a shootout with the entire government of the us? With their military? You know, with tanks and APCs and helicopters?
If you're that dissatisfied with your goverment fucking LEAVE. I'd rather leave my country than face certain defeat trying to fight the army.
>Gotta protect my family
If you are scared of someone breaking into your house with intent to KILL you or your family, you've probably done something to deserve it.
I'm 30 years old and have never, not once, seen a gun 'in the wild', as in not on a cops belt or at a range.
>>768377011
Fuck tolerance, and fuck you.
>>768376403
since it's not always obvious online ...
<sarcasm>
lies, see
>>768375414
all gun crime is from stolen guns
</sarcasm>
>>768374263
>Ausfags, April 2018: "Our country hasn't had a mass shooting since 1996. Gun control works!"
>Ausfags, May 2018: "Our country hasn't had a mass shooting since 2018. Gun control works!"
Leftists: literally this retarded
>>768376879
You're the one who said they weren't enforced - free are many illegal firearms. I just have a reason.based on the government of the countries.
Being denied a firearm licence is not a good argument for getting rid of firearm licences.
Do you own a tinfoil hat?
>>768377061
>you've probably done something to deserve it.
Yes, how brazen of me to work hard and buy nice things with my hard earned money, totally deserve to be beaten and robbed
>>768377268
I never said they weren’t enforced - in fact I cited one case in which they were that I knew about first hand.
>>768374040
22/656 = 3%
24/330 million = 7%
It's almost as if you should control for the population of the countries, you braindead dolt
>>768377061
Why is it that the US military is still in Afghanistan ?
Since they are fighting a band of small arms armed fighters.
The US has its full might of drones , armoured vehicles etc and they still can't defeat guys with rifles.
>>768377011
You cocksucking dick vacuums don't deserve tolerance. You deserve to be rounded up like the vermin you are and have your measly brains painted on the wall with the guns you fetishize. Every fucking time schoolkids get blown away, I have to listen to you autistic chucklefucks start screeching about how everything ever is a conspiracy to take away your precious boom boom sticks.
>>768377170
That's a difference of 22 years. When the US goes 22 DAYS between mass shootings, get back to me.
>>768377338
The presence of many ILLEGAL guns = inadequate enforcement.
>>768377061
I'm a 34 year old Aussie shooter, I hunt and let me tell you about illegal guns son, get out a bit and you'll meet some unsavoury people who have never registered arms.
>>768377415
A dick vacuum describes a places where there are no dicks.
>>768377415
>I have to listen to you autistic chucklefucks start screeching about how everything ever is a conspiracy to take away your precious boom boom sticks.
Hmmm, well maybe you should stop coming here to spam Gun Control threads then?
Just a thought.
>>768377340
Accepting those fugures, if you control for population, the us has roughly 4 tonnes as many mass shootings. I actually think the figures provided are wrong and the USA is significantly worse. It has 12 times the rate of gun homicides.
>>768377600
Sorry 3 times as many. I'm not very good at typing on this phone.
>>768377537
Or maybe you could go fuck yourself? How's that sound? When it gets shoved down my throat every time there's a shooting, it becomes my business.
>>768377526
Wrong definition of vacuum. Your sister is the type of dick vacuum I'm referring to.
>>768377600
You do not understand confidence intervals
>>768377729
>How's that sound?
Sounds like you're a whiny little bitch.
>When it gets shoved down my throat every time there's a shooting, it becomes my business.
By who?
>>768377420
So there is no drug laws then, or drunk driving, or medical malpractice...
>>768377729
u mad, yobbo?
>>768377742
Haha. I'm a professionsl data scientist working in genomics. I have a good understanding of confidence intervals. I am not going to calculate at stat on that data today.
>>768366334
I dont get how this is bad compared to America Id gladly take a mass shooting every 20 years compared to every 20 days
>>768377861
The presence of many drugs also indicates poor enforcement. In Australia we have good enforcement of drink driving laws. I doubt Bolivia has
>>768377415
>a difference of 22 years. When the US goes
The US doesn't have gun control, dumbfuck.
Australia does. Why? To prevent mass shootings. Did Aussie gun laws prevent this mass shooting? No.
Jesus, are you sincerely that much of a plastic helmet-wearing retard that you can't even comprehend the simple logic of What Gun Laws Are Supposed to Prevent?
>>768366334
According to the graph posted on the article, Pretty good,
>>768378830
No, it means criminals are going to disregard laws - you can look at incarceration rates and see enforcement at work.
>>768379073
Gun Control is only for mass shootings and not gun violence?
Wew.
>>768379480
>for mass shootings
>not gun violence
>>768379645
Mass Shootings ≠ Gun Violence
I'm an Australian who lives in Victoria.
The gigantic insecure faggots spouting shit about gun control are just butthurt that not only is the country absolutely fucked be it economically, socially or politically, but gun control neither worked nor was a good idea, evidenced by our now insurmountable political issues.
Keep doing the right thing murica. Ignore the antifa cucks. They're vocal but dumb.
>>768379073
You are just dumb. You've been waiting 22 years for a mass shooting so you can say gun control doesn't work.
>>768379367
Plenty of evidence to show people generally don't commit crimes that they will be caught doing. Enforcement works. It's why drink driving rates are so low in australia. They rate of incarceration for drug crimes is very low.
>>768380186
Gun Control does work to an extent.
There's a line though, and Australia has crossed that line.
>>768380319
Yeah, because alcohol prohibition totally worked.
>>768379838
>insurmountable political issues.
Wtf are you talking about?
>>768380336
THEY FUCKING MURDERED CROCODILE DUNDEE.
WTF!
>>768366334
Pretty good concidering they dont have weekly mass shootings.
>>768380383
And now a new topic from the 1920s.
It depends what you mean by work. I don't even know the goal of the alcohol prohibition laws
>>768380406
>major parties have the same policies
>100℅ of Australians now have over $12k of debt from government
>blasphemy illegal, dissent heading that way
>one liberty minded party, small
>media bought and paid for, against the population
>all work and production being moved offshore due to extreme taxation
>water shortages exacerbated by politicians (bracks for instance)
>NO BILL OF RIGHTS
I could go on
>>768380553
It was supposed to stop alcohol from being sold and consumed.
>>768377170
>Australians, May 2018: "Our country had 1 mass shooting since 1997. Gun control works!"
>Americans, May 2018: "Our country had 37617645817263 mass shootings since 1997. Gun ownership works better!
>>768380186
No, you've had 22 years to perfect your gun-free paradise and eliminate all gun violence by enforcing strict gun laws, and then along comes a shooting proving that all the gun laws didn't do shit, and now you're desperate to change the subject.
>>768366334
https://youtu.be/Hz0tny34LsM
>>768380630
This stat will be forgotten with Australia after our revolution, in which firearm ownership will he legally protected.
yeah most of us australians hate our gun laws
just the left tards keep going on about how good they are
>>768380657
Gotta remember you're not arguing with a rational person.
Gun control advocates are anti freedom advocates. They think they know better than everyone by default.
Don't engage with them, ignore them. They are ultimately attention whores.
People who think gun control doesn't work need to be executed. Just leave it at that. As soon as someone denies that it works their life becomes worthless and there's no point in even speaking to them.
>>768366334
>"bugs bunny"!!? What's up doc!
>>768366334 still better than yours amerifag
>>768380939
>People who think gun control doesn't work need to be executed
Then you're left with criminals with firearms.
>>768380630
>Australians, May 2018: "Our country had 1 mass shooting since 1997. Gun control works!"
>Americans, May 2018: "Our country citizens have prevented 948,365,247,617,645,817,263 robberies, assaults, rapes, and home invasions by having the means to effectively defend ourselves from criminals since 1997 and before. Gun ownership works better!"
FTFY
>>768380630
>>768381027
>Americans, May 2018: "Our country citizens have prevented 948,365,247,617,645,817,263 robberies, assaults, rapes, and home invasions by having the means to effectively defend ourselves from criminals since 1997 and before. Gun ownership works!"
>Australians, May 2018: "Our country had way less gun violence since 1997. Not having Niggers works better!"
now its fixes
>>768380605
Well if every single person who did so was caught or would have worked. But I don't agree with that as a good policy
>>768380770
That's why they started this thread
>>768380657
Meh. Or gun laws are only slightly over strict. Only idiots and convicted criminals can't get a gun.
>>768380657
Just eliminating me than half of it isn't enough. All our nothing. Your gun defence paradise has eliminated all government tyranny, robberies, home invasions etc. Well done.
>>768366334
Pretty good, statistically.
>>768366334
It was rural, way easier to get a gun license when you live on farmland.
>>768381646
But that's kind of the basis of the Freedom position.
Let people be free to do what they want, when they infringe on others freedom, the act they're carrying out becomes illegal, not the items they're in possession of.
>>768380939
Name a single country that doesn’t have gun crimes.
We’ll wait.
>>768382724
Then legalise the trade in fissionable materials, nuclear weapons. If I want to keep some plutonium in my garage, why not?
Even selling state secrets should be legal. It isn't until your enemy uses the info for war that any one else is harmed.
The obvious solution is more gun control of course.
>>768383165
principality of hutt river
>>768383165
Syria
>>768383165
North Korea
>>768383330
>Then legalise the trade in fissionable materials, nuclear weapons. If I want to keep some plutonium in my garage, why not?
Most people don't care and aren't smart enough to do any of this, so I don't see a problem here.
>Even selling state secrets should be legal. It isn't until your enemy uses the info for war that any one else is harmed.
I understand your position, the problem is you're talking about extremes and I''m not.
I'm speaking generally.
>>768378687
Funny your previous replies are so statistically ignorant. Almost as if you're making up lies on the internet. Fascinating
>>768383922
Well, unregulated retail gun markets and possession is extreme from my perspective. I am not a ban all guns but. But compulsory training and licencing of owners and mandatory registration and proper storage of weapons is just common sense.
>>768384104
Point out which ones you mean. I haven't made many statistical claims itt
>>768384155
>But compulsory training and licencing of owners and mandatory registration and proper storage of weapons is just common sense.
The problem is when you give Government that authority.
Why can't fathers teach their children gun safety?
According to all historical data, Governments don't have the citizens best interests in mind.
>>768384426
The us constitution gives government the duty of regulating but they (federal and the states) have abrogated their responsibility for political reasons. To the peoples detriment.
>Worst shooting in 2 decades
>Only 7 people died
>America laughs
>>768384753
The U.S. Governments only job was to protect our rights.
>duty of regulating
Not arms, read the Bill of rights again, those aren't given to us by Government, they're given to us by God. No one was supposed to be allowed to take them away or redefine what arms meant.
This is exactly how they get around our rights in 2018, they don't consider some weapons to be "arms" which is a complete lie.
>for political reasons.
Agreed.
>>768373388
>Australia still has a lot of illegal guns and gun related crime
lenk ples
>>768385133
Even the people who wrote the damn thing stated that you should kill them if they try.
>>768385133
necessary to the security of a free State
The militia is for the protection of the security of the state. Regulation of the militia falls naturally to the state. Also at the time, many states already had state controlled and regulated militia. One might interpret it to drop all of the responsibilty on the state level of government but it is wrong to suggest thr first amendment was intended to exclude government regulation. Deliberately wrong in my opinion.
>>768385557
Oops. I can't count to two.
Second amendment.
>Right to bear arms was created when you were in constant war against major power
>Now live in civilised society
>Wait no we don't
>Niggers are scary
>>768367876
kek
>>768385133
The second amendment was supposed to prevent the federal government from establishing a standing army and empower the state governments to arm themselves. It was intended to enable purchase of weapons by any individual at Walmart
>>768385557
There's two militias according to the Militia Act of 1903, The National Guard, which is state controlled and regulated.
The other is everyone else, who's right to bear arms CANNOT be infringe is what the 2nd states.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zE0K22zH8
There's a comma there for a reason.
