Serious question here, /b/.
Has Donald Trump improved the lives of ordinary Americans? After all, the measurement of the effectiveness of any leader of a state is quantified by the overall improvement of the quality of life of said state's constituents.
>tl;dr: explain to me how trump is improving the lives of ordinary citizens. i'm honestly curious
My income tax isn't as high
>>768249014
How much do you make a year?
>>768249014
i dont pay as much in taxes either. granted im not a poor fuck. those assholes got screwed
For me, there's no appreciable difference, as long as I'm in the United States. When I travel outside the country, however, I get chilly receptions more frequently. People in other parts of the world are watching this little experiment unfold and they don't appear enthusiastic about it.
If Hillary had won, the right would be consolidated, even more so than under Obama.
Now, the GOP is ripe for fracture between the Trump traitors and the reasonable conservatives. 2018 is going to be huge, 2020 even bigger.
He will not divide us happened because of him, and that made my life funnier for about a week
Taxes didn't change for me really, but now my wife (a teacher) doesn't even get reimbursed for shit anymore. Everything cool she wants to do for her class has to come out of our pockets.
>>768248670
the news is entertaining as fuck now.
>>768249487
because teachers are part of the poor. fuck em
>>768249247
I live "outside the country" and I love it. Even got me a MAGA hat. The people you're getting a "chilly reception" from are just foreign libtards.
>>768249487
I mean, if it isn't necessary then good. I don't want school funding to be going to bullshit like donut parties or whatever else your wife likes to do with the class.
>>768249586
>>768249688
Science projects, object lessons in math, stuff to actually get kids engaged and educated...
If this country valued education like, say, Singapore or those happy Scandinavian countries, there would be less loser dropouts bitching on 4chan all day.
>>768249487
This is no different than 20 years ago when I was in school. Too often we had destroyed books, teachers bought pencils and paper, chalk.
Only difference now is schools are buying completely unnecessary shit
>My younger brother had 'ipad tablet' as a required material a few years back
>Same year they scrapped spelling and arts classes
>>768249266
i don't know if there even is a reasonable faction in the GOP anymore. i think this is just what happens after 8 years of Citizens United... the monied special interests have displaced all but a few holdouts that have yet to retire or die.
I'm waiting to see how much my tax refund next year is. That's where a random jack off like me would get robbed by "the system"
>>768249680
Glad to hear that you're enjoying it. But no, they aren't all "libtards. It's a pretty good cross-section of people. Some, like you, like what they see. A lot more of them don't. At least that's my experience.
Not exactly ordinary since I'm upper class (~1-2m/year), but honestly your income as a middle-class citizen is only realized in your ability to buy velbin goods [https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/veblen-good.asp], so only lower class citizens [15% of us] ever have noticeable quality-of-life changes when money is given or taken away, and even then they should be markedly better off than anybody in the world a few decades ago. I also live in Houston, and I'm sure many of the people I know are illegals but no one I've known has ever been deported and the police don't fucking care, so I don't give a shit.
His foreign policies are good for long-term success as I understand it, though.
>tl;dr he's playing the long game so who knows, but it hasn't gotten worse
>>768248670
Getting more take home pay, stocks went up. Feels comfy.
Voting GOP in 2018.
>>768249940
honestly, who gives a shit? they can flip my burgers and mop my floors. people still need to do those jobs, until we figure out replacing them with robots
>>768250008
Well if that's how they did it when you were in school, that must be the magic formula right there. Would that we could nail down the exact circumstances that produced such a perfect human as yourself.
How well do you think the country would be ran by the following personally
>Well educated
>Non career politician
>Non business man
Just a smart, open minded, honest average Joe.
>>768249068
40k
>>768248670
Yes. He’s provided good memes and angered/saddened the liberals. All we need
>>768250265
>Perfect human as yourself
I don't understand where you are coming from. Did I put off as condescending?
>>768250237
vote dem. we got our tax break from the GOP, now we just need someone to stop the entire economy from tanking again. the GOP are fucking terrible at that. unless you want to try to short it.
>>768250402
It's just such a non argument, head in the sand line of thinking when people default to:
"that's how it was when I was a kid, therefore that's how it should be"
Things can change, for the better, that's possible.
>>768250545
>Things can change, for the better, that's possible
well yeah it's possible but things aren't changing for the better at all, quite the opposite
>>768250149
Given that his popularity in the US is shit, it's no surprise that his popularity in other countries is also shit. Who gives a fuck. He's the most entertaining thing to happen to politics in ages, and I'd take him in a second over the fag we have running my country.
Average Joe's got cucked hard
>>768250545
I never made it a point as too, that's how it should be.
The point really was, it hasn't changed through any sitting leader, it's always been shit, and funding goes off into all kinds of odd places.
I don't believe that teachers should have to open up their already baren wallets to provide for students.
Bottom line though, as long as teachers are paid shit, public education will be shit.
It's funny, it's not even that expensive private schools have better teachers, those teachers are usually paid even less than public school teachers. But when you can choose to not accept poor/retarded/whatever kids, obviously it's gonna be easier to manage a classroom.
I don't know what the answer is, higher pay, selective breeding, accepting the american "1% rich, 99% slaves" mindset?
I dunno man.
>>768249266
Yes, a huge leftist tantrum fest again. Who gets to be the boogeyman who hacked elections this time? Iran?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/09/politics/cnn-poll-generic-ballot-narrows/index.html
please factor in the alternative to a Trump presidency. the equation goes like this
The Clinton Negatives
+ The Trump Positives
--------------------------------
= THANK FUCKING KEK HE WON!!
>>768250995
yo that bottom value DNE
>>768248670
He hasn’t. But neither has any politician that has taken oath for the past hundred years.
>>768248670
define ordinary. i get about 150-200 dollars more every 2 weeks, but that money makes little difference given how much i make already.
>>768251220
either you dont make a lot or you are doing your taxes wrong
>>768250906
Ye, my bad, maybe I read you wrong.
It's just frustrating trying to do something that seems inherently good, but knowing these kids are probably gonna get fucked by our system anyway. If they're brown, and in these title 1 schools, odds aren't good.
Just frustrating when already strapped teachers are getting gimped even more. Can't really blame ppl for their bad perception of teachers in general, low pay attracts lots of shitty teachers along with the minority of good ones.
i got more on my tax check back this year. next year im getting double. i see more money on my paychecks. so yeah he did just fine by me
>>768251321
well into the six figure range, nothing abnormal I claim 2 on my taxes.
>>768248670
>Serious question here, /b/.
>Has Donald Trump improved the lives of ordinary Americans? After all, the measurement of the effectiveness of any leader of a state is quantified by the overall improvement of the quality of life of said state's constituents.
>>tl;dr: explain to me how trump is improving the lives of ordinary citizens. i'm honestly curious
>>768251321
Tax brackets and withholdings changed Jan. 1, 2018 with the passage of the tax reform.
So yes, he probably is seeing that much extra due to those changes.
>>768251036
I'm assuming you meant "does not equate"
I'll admit my equation was fairly retarded, however the point stands, Clinton would have completely destroyed the US as we know it. It would be flooded with refugees and immigrants who don't add anything to the economy and suck up resources while over breeding. Etc. Etc.
Did you know that Germany has hired practically less than 1% of the refugees/immigrants? Google it, they can't hire them because they have no skills whatsover.
It's funny how people so readily and willingly play into the whole republican/democrat narrative provided for them.
Just two puppets on the hands of the real powers at play, the practically blatant oligarchy/plutocracy our country actually is.
>>768251649
kek
>>768251633
my point was that he should be seeing more if he is doing it right
>>768251385
Completely agree.
And the whole tablet and spelling thing was to show how lazy education is getting.
>We will be removing spelling classes as current and future technology autocorrects most spelling errors
Something along that line is why they got rid of it.
Pisses me off that they just think it's a good idea to remove critical curriculum.
I just want presidents to stop coming to my hometown so damn much and fucking up traffic.
>>768251649
>Google it, they can't hire them because they have no skills whatsover.
Not true. They can shit in the streets.
>>768251633
funny, companies had until like the end of february to comply, mine waited until the very end.
>>768251769
Depends on his income and how he gains it.
>>768251769
how would someone see more? the more you make the more benefit you gain.
>>768251972
sucking cocks.... obv
Mandatory healthcare mandate abolished so more money in my pocket. North Korean nuclear threat completely wiped out so no reason for any Californians to worry about an attack (and they'll prolly never thank him for cuz they're ungrateful pieces of shit). More jobs coming back day by day, ending the government-dependence strangehold and the need for useless government programs that only serve the welfare scumbags and shitheads who refuse to work. Veterans are being treated like decent human beings now. Policemen are being treated like decent human beings now. White people are slowly starting to be treated like decent human beings now. GDP growth is WELL above the average, even more so than Obama''s at this time during his regime. Fewer illegals crossing the border along with brutal killings they commit while they're here, ALL OF WHICH ARE VASTLY UNDERREPORTED AND ALL OF WHICH THEY WERE RECIEVING AMNESTY FOR WHILE UNDER OBAMAS ADMINISTRATIONS. So yeah, I'd say quality of life has improved.
>>768251977
>>768251972
it doesnt matter how you make it. it matters how you funnel the money. use a fucking pass through llc
>>768252031
but your punctuation hasn't ffs
>>768252105
im w2, so not sure what point you are trying to make....
>>768251806
I agree, ipads and whatnot are just gimmicky. You don't need more than a chalkboard and a competent teacher, maybe some good textbooks, to do quality genuine teaching. It's all about how the teacher engages the kids gets them actually learning productively. You're not gonna get lots of teachers who are good at that when the pay isn't great.
Only super altruistic people are gonna stick it out in education when they know they could easily double their salaries moving to the private sector doing something else.
>>768251879
The change was for this year’s income you make - it should have started as soon as you began work in January.
If you’re talking about your W2 forms for your taxes, yeah, they have to be mailed out by Jan 31 each year or they can be levied a hefty fine from both the IRS and your state’s labor or income tax commission agency.
>>768251649
>It would be flooded with refugees and immigrant
This old chesnut
Only number I ever heard regarding that policy was around 4-500,000 refugees. Doesn't add up to much in a country of 300 million. Is this the sole deal breaker for you of a Clinton Presidency? It's only a matter of time before Trump does some ignorant thing or policy, since his knowledge of political affairs and ability to learn is traish, that his handlers can't reel in or whitewash. Of course he'll be shitposting on twitter blaming someone else, and you'll be probably blaming the scapegoat too.
>>768252168
It's really not even that hard, shit a white board is 50 bucks for a big one (my company just bought like 10 with a bulk discount) and markers are fucking 1 dollar.
>>768248670
That's not the mark of a good leader.
>>768250239
I'm all for our robot overlords, but until then, it might be best to keep people educated. I know I know, having a low quality of life is extremely appealing, but there are unforseen downfalls to it.
>>768252105
The withholdings for income generated solely from dividend profits is taxed different than W2 income.
Unless you’re talking about something illegal, there is very few ways you can make more without serious investment.
>>768251866
Wrong brown people.
The ones in Germany are the explosive, rapey ones.
I own a small business, taxes aren't as high.
I also work a shit job for benefits, I just got a $5,000 bonus from my job because of the tax cuts for businesses
I'm a veteran and the new veteran's choice program is looking hopeful.
>>768252246
So a little poison is fine because it's "just a little"? What happens is that "just a little" turns into "a whole lot" after one generation of breeding like rabbits due to welfare.
Also, here's the link on the Germany situation. Why don't you move there and help educate these migrants and report back in a few years?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710927/million-migrants-Germany-unemployed-Merkel-open-door-policy
My taxes went down, my take home pay went up.
>>768252242
Much of the Act has already gone into effect as of January 1, 2018 and the withholding tables need to be adopted no later than February 15, 2018
Maybe you should do your research....
>>768252677
enough to care about?
Opioid drug addiction is the American vodka
Trump learns from Putin
Discredit the press
Threaten the Courts
>>768252878
yeah, between my wife and I, about $400 a month. not bad!
>>768248670
Not that I can see, but in my opinion most positive change doesn't come from presidents but from science, technology, and education. I only ask that a president not screw things up too bad by eroding civil rights, taxing the populace so inappropriately that class structure remains rigid, or forcing me to die "for my country."
I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad. I still think I made the right decision
>>768252878
do you math? those are two of the most important variables in an economy!?
oh wait, you don't work, or if you do it's below a threshold of meaningful economic contribution (i.e., you're a liberal wage slave who lives at home) so you don't fucking count.
>>768252031
>White people are slowly starting to be treated like decent human beings now
>>768248670
Yes. Low unemployment. Higher stock market. Increased economic growth. Don't have liberals shoving regulations down the throat of business. Sanity brought back to immigration. Trump rocks!
Here in germany the press wants you to believe that russias press is full of propagada but actually they do the same shit. The average journalist is full of shit. The way state media is reporting about trump is so embarrasing (more than trump could ever be) they all should just off themselves.
>>768252762
Most companies adopted it within the first 2 weeks of the year. If your company waited until the end of February as you said, they were in violation of the new laws.
>>768248670
I can't speak for the nation, but our local economy has been booming since Trump was elected into office. Being a small business owner, I have directly encountered this. His business-like mind is doing an excellent job of stimulating our economics and will hopefully get us out of debt. He may need another term just to undo everything the Obama administration put into place. I understand why the left doesn't like him from a social psychological stand-point, but he is restoring power to the middle classes; something that has been going on with the string of democratic presidents.
>>768253280
>lives at home
w-where else would you live?
>>768250239
>every school aged child from today to 4 years from now can spend 12 years not being engaged in school and can flip my burgers and mop my floors
>>768253573
something that has been diminishing with all the recent democratic presidents***
>>768252674
I never suggested any Merkel tier flow of refugees, retard. 500,000 really isn't much at all, especially considering they'd probably be spread out over different cities/states. Ultimately, I'd take a million refugees under Clinton over this blustering piece of white trash we having stomping around the White House.
Because of the upcoming tax reforms, my company gave a $1000 bonus to all employees. Taxed, of course, but still this is the only impact the current administration has had on me, and its positive. Plus, the standard deduction is going way up next year, so that'll increase what I get in my return.
>>768253280
yeah i dont make much i travel for work and don't really pay out of pocket for cost of living, so money is essentially meaningless in many ways. my parents will die, ill get some inheritance and money will become less meaningful.
as far as tax contributions, i definitely pay someones salary yearly, probably your salary in taxes honestly but wait, you called me the poor fuck
>>768253901
You’re a moron then. You honestly should vacate the US if you dislike it this much now.
>>768253280
also, let me guess you are a post-fellow at a university who specialized in macro and micro economics and aren't just repeating bullshit you heard, you know the math and can prove these driving factors.....
>>768253573
>His business-like mind is doing an excellent job of stimulating our economics and will hopefully get us out of debt
kek'd
So how does a businessman with so much savvy propose a potentially disastrous steel tariff, which his administration immediately "delays"?
How, based on his words, are trade wars good for us?
Do you think Trump when questioned could give a coherent, detailed answer on how our economy works in the first place?
Whats this? A semi productive discussion about the tangible benefits and pitfalls people are experiencing as a result of the Trump Presidency?
Pic Related ;)
>>768254162
Lol, I love your brand of patriotism:
"If you wanna question the govt you can just get out!"
If everyone here was your brand of patriot, we'd still be british citizens.
>>768254162
i dont think he's a moron and im a combat vet.... what have you done for the US?
>>768253901
so you have no rebuttals? no logic to back up your opinions? okay, fine, you lose just like your candidate lost, it's really that simple.
>>768254162
>waaaaaaaaaaaah dat brown peoples will have babies
Grow the fuck up. Never not once would the US adopt the German immigration model. You're literally just making mountains of molehills to justify your shitty trump train
>>768249628
Who'll teach your kids then?
>>768252674
Not saying it was not a shitty decision (and illegal) but actually most of them aren't even allowed to have a job.
>>768253901
500000 (it was way more though) is A LOT. Especialy if you import people from cultures who hang out on the streets a lot. It completely transformed the city i live in. At night time you'd never say it's a german city. Basically no white people in sight. If you sit in a tram or bus you never here any german anymore. I'm not even against migration or anything but i hate muslim culture and it's everywhere now.
i think all trump supporters should be forced to homeschool their kids, that way we can further ensure their stupidity and eventually enslave their kind.
>>768254147
Sorry, you definitely do not pay my salary. Well, I guess indirectly because you buy products from companies I invest in. But that's a tangent.
If you're waiting for your parents to die to get inheritance then you definitely want to back the Republicans.
>>768254297
Because there is likely a lobbyist's hand in his back pocket. I dont know much about the matter and you can doubt his intelligence all you want, I don't care. There is always two sides to a story and too much media to tell the difference. I simply stated the experiences I have had first hand since his election.
>>768254373
If you have any key points you feel I haven't addressed, feel free to fire em at me, love to be pwned by the enlighted
>>768248670
Honest answer no. I am not trying to sound like a Debbie downer but trump in office is no different than Obama and bush. Everyone hates them for something, the presidency is a distraction, this is why the millennial voting demographic was for Bernie Sanders, albeit he was running an atrocious political campaign with wanting to throw socialism in the mix, but the youngsters liked that change. They are tired of seeing the same blue vs red, hence why most sanders supporters went to trumps side(including me) he’s not your average politician or at least didn’t run like it. Now that he is in office he is doing the same things the others did and that’s play ball. A fall guy. I remember when George bush was in office everyone made fun of how stupid he was and how unfit he was for the presidency, books were made about this. Now that 10 years have gone by no one cares anymore. People are now calling him a genius and a good president.
>TL;DR
Nothing has changed, presidents are good for one thing and one thing only, distracting you into thinking you can make a difference without having you make a difference
>>768254631
back a political party.... no thanks all humans are stupid lumping yourself into some supporting category based on bullshit is moronic.
even if you die with a lot of money you will still die stupid
>>768254289
KEK, that's pretty funny, as if understanding how taxes and income affect an economy needs advanced education!? I'm literally shitting myself with laughter. You're a complete maroon.
>>768254549
>500000 (it was way more though)
source?
>It completely transformed the city i live in. At night time you'd never say it's a german city
This isn't germany, dude. We sneeze at 500,000 migrants.
>>768254789
Congratulations, it looks like you're well on your way to succeeding!
>even if you die with a lot of money you will still die stupid
>>> i just DONT GIVE A SHIT, im illegal and will bleed this country I DONT PAY FUCKING TAXES so i dont care who is the president, if i get kick out im already build 4 houses in my contry and you can try to make a better life if you ever get enough for retirement. SO I DONT GIVE A DAMN if by luck or i get married with blond and get papers well i know how to evade taxes the most possible.
>> NO GO AND FUCK YOURSELF
They took away the death tax I think
>>768254820
sure, but mainly corporate taxes were lowered, not the general public's taxes.
call me a moron, it doesn't mean i care or that its true
>>768254636
>and too much media to tell the difference
This line of thinking is dangerous. At some point, Trump has to stand or fall on his own actions and the words he chooses to make public.
>>768254820
You're LITERALLY shitting yourself?
... it's /b/. Never mind. You probably are, regardless of laughter.
>>768248670
He's made it easier to be accepted as an asshole. That's about it.
>>768255039
Examples?
>>768255038
are you even reading this thread?
there are copious examples of people talking about their salaries going up, bonuses, and their taxes going down.
>>768255038
about 85% of the people had their taxes lowered
>>768254952
its funny, people who "invest" and browse 4chan,
>>768255060
Well, I farted, does that count? I literally farted. I culturally appropriated a burrito recipe today and laughing at you made me fart.
>>768248670
He's made it both hard to look smart and stupid at the same time, it's the most impressive thing he's done
>>768255396
except we are all anons and the one you said you were laughing at didn't write that
>>768255038
>mainly coporate taxes were lowered
>>768255232
>salaries going up and bonuses
Because there is less corporate taxes.................. Jesus christ
I got a job offer with $6 more an hour salary plus PTO, Benefits, and bonuses with a 6% 401k match as a DIRECT result of business booming in the Trump economy.
I was able to save $160 a month for the last couple months because of the reversal of the individual tax on life- eerr "mandate".
My taxes are lower because of Trump.
The cost of firearms and ammo were going down before the country went Hogg Wild and I was able to get a nice stockpile of ammo
My friend stationed in Korea could potentially be coming home sooner than he's supposed to, but at a very minimum at least feels safer at night.
Screeching liberals who no capacity to be exposed to dissenting opinions have all deleted me on facebook, making my social media feeds like 90% less whiney, because as it turns out, the people who complain non stop about Trump, were also the people non stop complaining about everything else.
Non stop witch hunting and fury over Trump winning has drug politicians on both sides threw the mud and they are dropping like flies because everyone is out to get everyone like we've never seen before.
So tl;dr, I make more money, I get less money taken from me, my hobbies are cheaper, I have better quality of life, my friends and family are measurably safer, politicians I hate are falling apart, and my social media experience has improved significantly.
And I didn't even vote for Trump. I voted libertarian, because I couldn't vote for Rand Paul. I don't care how many feelings he's hurt, or how butthurt super liberal eurotrash is. I've been *mostly fine with everything he's actually DONE, because he hasn't DONE any of the awful shit he's said. That's a win.
>>768255544
mmm bonuses, how many companies gave them out because of it? and lets compare that to their lowered tax rate......
it was just so people like you buy into the bullshit
>>768255544
also, salaries didn't magically go up across the board you retarded fuck
>>768254870
www bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/Downloads/Infothek/Statistik/Asyl/aktuelle-zahlen-zu-asyl-april-2018.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
third page.
The thing is people think the number of migrants and the effect it will have on public life is kind of linear. It's not. You need very few people to completely change everything if they behave completely different than the average person. German people are kind of "shy" and try to stay away from public places. The only go out to buy stuff or go to a restaurant. Middle east people basically live on the street (at least the mens). So even if their number are small, their share of people you see on the streets is very high. At night time way above 90% in some regions (maybe higher as you rarely see german people but it's just a guesstimation)
>>768254364
Choosing illegal aliens over legal citizens? You’re a moron too.
>>768255609
>DIRECT result of business booming in the Trump economy.
stock market says different my friend
>>768252981
this brought me great joy.
>>768254451
I didn’t vote for Trump, he’s a lifelong NY Democrat who jumped parties to run.
>>768248670
my life has not changed, not that i've noticed
>>768248670
I have ~$20k that is a direct result of Trump's election.
I'm pretty fucking ordinary too.
I live in Cali and don't know one person who actually hates this administration. People want to hate him; but can't find any good reason to do so.
>>768255200
Oh there can be quite the compilation gathered with enough time
Let's rewind back to when he first started running. When asked what he would have done in Iraq, he went "hurr durr I woulda just taken their oil". So that tanks the entire Iraqi economy, leaving millions starved and impoverished, for what, exactly?
He was also a big supporter of torture, for literally no ascertainable reasonable other than it makes him look tough.
When pressed on some of his sexual harrasment allegations, his only real defense was "Does she look like someone I'd want?" That's a good line for a speech, but if your gf or female family was in the same position, and you heard that from the accused, would that convince you?
>>768255810
stock market is a very different thing than the economy. It's all in the small and medium businesses.
>>768255810
All of my friends and business associates have reported record high sales. Again, it could just be the local economy. The stock market is just a sham for people to gamble their money with dishonest stock brokers.
>>768248670
hahaha jokes on you OP, did not read
>>768249014
Is your insurance premium higher though?
>>768255810
>Trump gets elected, market skyrockets, company reinvests in itself, we spend a year upgrading all of our lines, new better lines and quality brought in new customers, and bigger orders. Operating costs and waste are so far down after upgrades we've hired an entire new shift, and continued to break profit records at least every 2 months
It was all kicked off by market confidence.
>>768255799
only if you think all the legals pull their weight. gtfo, americans are fucking lazy. i would rather have an immigrant doing labor than some entitled fuck who has had everything handed to him.
sure I may love my country, but im not going to sugar coat it and say all americans are great people you fucking nitwit. there's a reason immigration is good for the country. while you're sitting on your ass crying about juan taking your jobs, it's because he will work harder for less and complain less. why? because he's not some pussy ass entitled fuck who's parents babied his ass. he takes opportunities where he can find them.
the truth is you are just a whiny little bitch who doesn't want to get off his lazy ass and learn a skilled trade or do something useful. instead you want to be complacent and blame others for your state of existence.
well fuck you and fuck any lazy american here on this board
>>768256125
>>768255810
Oh, and the tax cuts, which they also reinvested in to the company
Soyboy
Soydik
Soy
>>768256176
Once again, if they are illegal aliens they are breaking the law.
Good citizens do not break laws.
Like I said, you’re a moron.
>>768256176
He will work harder for less because he wont pay taxes, and net more than someone who does pay taxes.
And he's complaining all the time, just not to you, white devil.
>>768255703
This is true, even though the unemployment rate is fantastic, salaries aren't going up.
Some companies are giving more non salary pay, bonuses/etc.
These are the kinds of benefits that are easy to cut if the economy goes south again. If they actually increase your pay, that's a bit harder to take back.
So yes, more bonuses/etc., but these will probably be more temporary.
>>768256317
you never speed? you never have j-walked?
yeah, everyone breaks laws and you are upset that people do it for opportunity? get fucking bent, the people at the top break laws too but can afford to get away with it.
you're just a bitch who's also a hypocrite and doesn't see it. you should gtfo
did you serve? have you seen combat? what the fuck have you done for this country that makes your opinion even worth anything?
>>768256441
Salaries didn’t increase however taxes went down.
Net result - more money taken home by workers.
>>768256405
many immigrants actually pay taxes, shockingly there's also white illegal immigrants, my uncle was one and is legal now...
no one ever complained or asked because he was british
>>768256441
I'll never understand how even temporary boosts aren't a net gain.
>Economy bubble, everyone gets bonuses, extra money for a while, bubble ends, everyone goes back to where they were
>No bubble, everyone stays at the bottom where they started the whole time but don't get to bitch about how evil the person who made the bubble is
>>768256568
No, I don’t speed. I don’t jaywalk. I don’t text and drive, drink and drive, or drive without insurance.
I don’t enter countries illegally either and attempt to live there without going through the proper channels.
>>768255998
He has lived in front of a camera for the past few decades, so I'm sure there has been some obscene shit come out of his mouth. I dont have faith in other politicians because their verbal communication has been heavily conditioned over the years. Its literally their job. Go ahead with your "damnit, he tells it like it is!" memes but it is true. There is a plethora of evidence that the economy is reacting to his election. He has kept almost all the promises he made while running for President, which is almost unheard of by today's standards.
>>768256709
depends on where the boosts come from, if it kicks us in the dick later on in life in taxes on our retirements, definitely not a net gain
"NOT EVERY!"
Wow you GOT ME.
No one is complaining about legal immigrants who work.
>>768256774
cool, now apply for sainthood.
>>768256802
The boosts come from the guy who also lowered the taxes.
The taxes that will fuck you will come from the people who opposed the person who made the bubble, and will also fight tooth and nail to make sure the tax cuts expire just so you have to pay more and they can blame it on him,
>>768256774
virgin spotted
EVERYBODY IS BENEFITING
MOST ARE JUST TOO IGNORANT TO SEE IT
>>768256176
Accountability. That is the one and only good solution for the 'lazy' problem. Saying you would rather illegal immigrants in here rather than lazy Americans is ignorant. Let the lazy be lazy and when they get hungry, I bet they start becoming accountable. Flooding US soil with illegal immigrants.. jesus christ.
inb4 American colonists were immigrants
>>768256924
eventually the debt ceiling outweighs the intake and to keep a good credit rating we have to pay more in.
unless you think the goverment will ever reign in its spending
>>768257038
500k aint shit... thats all
>>768248670
Whatever positive shit we are experiencing is cause of obama, we can't determine trumps effectiveness until AFTER his first term.
>>768256709
Who said it wasn't a gain? I only said it was temporary.
As workers, we should eschew this temporary shit and demand actual salary increases.
>>768256860
Not religious either. I just believe illegal aliens should not be given any preferential treatment over legal citizens.
And to be crystal fucking clear so you cannot strawman the discussion - I don’t mean just natural born citizens, I mean legal citizens. If they were born abroad but have come here legally and integrated, follow our laws, pay taxes and are good neighbors, great. They should be treated better than any illegal who comes and tries to stay here, regardless of where the illegal comes from.
Mexico, Canada, the UK, Middle East - wherever. If they are not here legally, they should be deported immediately.
>>768257042
Tax cuts don't raise the debt a penny.
Spending does.
Only a fucking idiot thinks otherwise.
>>768256941
Sorry, no. You can keep your projections.
>>768250149
The media will do that. Keep putting America first.
Sincerely, Australia
>>768255347
poor millennial faggots like you aren't the only people on this planet that like anonymity and insulting people.
faggot
>>768255609
so, would you vote for Trump if he ran again?
also, original Paultard here... feelsgoodman.jpg
>>768255347
If you'd ever been to any board besides /b/ and been here more than a year you'd see how many extremely wealthy people frequent this board.
>>768256779
>He has kept almost all the promises he made
He's attempted to. Muslim ban is in the legal shithouse, Obamacare has been defunded but with no replacement, and only a billion or so secured for the Wall, which mexico is somehow supposed to pay for.
>>768257194
>we should eschew this temporary shit and demand actual salary increases.
not that guy but no, you don't want that right now
the jobs report + the wage report were great news: Everyone who wants a job has a job. Also there are enough people who either haven't worked before or were long-term unemployed, who now are willing to work.
This is keeping wages in check. This is keeping inflation from getting out of hand.
Economy is pretty fucking awesome right now
>>768257535
>so, would you vote for Trump if he ran again?
It depends on who ran against him. There's a lot of people I'd vote for over Trump, but lets just say Democrats put another lunatic up, Libertarians put Bill Weld Up, etc, yeah I'd vote for him.
I still think Gary Johnson would have done better and I think he was a pretty weak candidate. I voted for him twice now, that's how bad the options have been.
>>> WONDER HOW MANY RUSSIANS ARE HERE DIVIDING AND COLLUDING
>>768257103
I don't think you understand how many people 500,000 really is. The capacity of the Sears Trade tower is 25,000. It would take 20 Sears towers, at capacity, to house everyone. Almost 7 New Orleans Superdomes, literally filled. The population of Miami....
>>768257676
Thankyou for literally repeating what I said
False the government's job is to keep the playing field generally fair, and protect you from foreign threats.
It's the job of the individual to improve their lives.
Why can't liberals fucking understand this.
>>768248670
stuck at my job everything is at a stand still. No ones hiring. :/
>>768258133
this
>>768257389
how is "investing" an insult? the double quotes just mean even an investment banker in nyc has a high cost of living and most are by no means rich. its a decent wage but it's not like rich people typically browse 4chan
No. The only thing that's changed is the quality of entertainment, which has gone down even further since everything resorts to lazy Trump joke.
>>768257740
Inflation is happening though, housing/cost of living in general is going up but salaries are not.
That = degradation in quality of life overall.
>>768257768
Johnson’s VP pick was awful, same caliber bad as Trump and Clinton.
>>768258402
faggot
you're really stupid but you don't know it
>>768258483
I mean, he picked Weld, and I just said I'd vote for Trump is Weld runs as the libertarian next time
>>768257740
wages have been "in check" since the seventies.
People have been more productive than ever, producing more wealth but somehow all of the money has flown up, up, up and into the pockets and portfolios of a smaller and smaller number of people.
>>768250161
buddy... by "us," I assume you mean the american population as a whole, or a generalized group like say the population of Houston.
If so, what led you to believe that lower class citizen account for only 15% of the population??
I mean, houston is doing better than the rest of the country on average, but only 20% of the population (according to statisticalatlas) accounts for 56% of the household income. I mean, that would mean 80% of the population of Houston fall in a range that could be called "economically sensitive," right? People and households that would feel the effect of even minor shifts in the price of staple goods, like gas and milk, right? Unless I misunderstood you. And please correct me if I did.
>>768248670
a bit more than half the people I know and care about fall below the median household income where I live (TN). WIth a few exceptions, even those that are comfortably above the median line have difficultly with the cost of gas spiking due to the Iran mess. And everyone I know, regardless of income or education, is affected by recent DOJ changes in policy regarding drugs, prescription or illicit. Everyone. My octogenarian uncle, the CEO of my company, the guy that works the drive through window at the nearest taco bell, my 15-y.o. nephew...
Taxes when down marginally for everyone I know this year, and might do the same next year. but within ten years (unless something changes) the bottom 80% of the tax payers are set to carry about 90% of the tax burden, but only receive about 20% or less of benefits. Whereas the top 5% might carry 10% of the burden, if any, and receive the full spectrum of any benefits available. On top of that, the GOP wants to eliminate what they refer to as "entitlements," which are things like Social Security and MediCare. Things every tax payer contributes to. Those aren't entitlements. And losing them would have a major impact on the quality of life of any person in the lower 60% of income
>>768248670
has any president done anything ever?
the president is just the face of the machine.
>>768258482
Inflation is not the President's fault. He can influence it, but is not in control of it. You can blame the Central Bank for that one. What he can control is salaries... Which is based off of a company's profit... Which can be influenced by corp taxes... Which he has lessened... Which has lead to more payouts...
>>768258591
I don’t believe in choosing the lesser evil, so I refused to vote because of how awful all the choices we had here - and my state doesn’t allow write in votes, otherwise I would have written in someone better.
>>768258482
>Inflation is happening though
Of course it is. It needs to happen. Proportional inflation is one of the pillars of a healthy economy.
I would argue that the quality of life is increasing overall if you're assessment is honest.
>>768258815
I didn't think Johnson was the lesser evil, I don't think he was evil at all. His whole campaign was Stop arresting people for victimless drug crimes and stop bombing other countries.
>>768258606
so tl;dr - if things keep up the way they have been for the past year, we would NEED something like the Purge instated within the next ten years in order to keep from having a fucking revolution within twenty.
And let me just say, nobody in the world wants that. Well.. nobody in the world except crazy people and poor people that have been driven crazy by poverty want that.
But hey, our shit is broke like a motherfucker. Maybe a revolution would give us a chance to fix it. Personally I feel it's a step in the wrong direction that'll cause WAY more harm than good across the entire planet, but I guarantee there will be people preaching revolution within a decade if the GOP manage to hold their current majority for another term or two.
>>768258948
>It needs to happen.
bullshit. There is no reason anyone would really need inflation. It just that the system all western states use would be absolutely impossible if debt isn't getting irrelevant with time.
>>768258995
Not him, Weld. If anything had happened to Johnson, we’d have gotten that piece of shit in office.
If Johnson had taken anyone better, I would have voted for him.
>>768258948
How has quality of life increased, because you have a smart phone?
Housing and basic cost of living eats up a significantly higher portion of the average person's income now.
There are more toxic particles of industry leftovers floating around in your air and water than ever.
People in general are more isolated and unhealthy than ever, I could go on.
As for inflation, come on, when everything but your salary is increasing, you have less money relative to the cost of stuff.
>>768259317
Please do 5 minutes of research
>>768259367
Oh agreed, Weld was just a regular Leftist. He didn't have a single libertarian value.
>>768259481
Yup, an East Coast Republican, aka RINO.
>>768248670
>Has Donald Trump improved the lives of ordinary Americans?
yes.
he's shown us that we can be ignorant and racist people and still get ahead in life, as long as we appeal to other ignorant and racist people.
How many of you
1. Don't live in a basement or with roommates
2. Don't work minimum wage
3. Can properly balance a check book
4. Understand how to budget
If you answered no to any of these, you likely vote blue.
>>768258605
Money is always returned to the owners. That's not evil or wrong.
Productivity has substantially increased which is a good thing too.
The world economies are very different than they were in the 70's. This is a great thing too.
The quality of life in China and India have increased exponentially. Billions of people have literally been lifted out of poverty and famine. This is great.
Wages are good in America.
Our economy is proof of that fact.
You can't post shit like that from your iPhone, on a 4G connection, while eating pizza and say that ain't so.
It's just that Americans believe that if you can't own a home, raise 2.5 kids on a single income as an Uber driver you are a victim of the upper class.
>>768259317
>There is no reason anyone would really need inflation
dude. Economics 1
>>768250102
This guy gets it
>>768259728
Got me. I usually vote conservative if the politician is decent.
>>768259409
"How has quality of life increased, because you have a smart phone?"
Yes, having access to all of the worlds knowledge at any given moment is a fucking HUGE quality of life increase, are you retarded?
"Housing and basic cost of living eats up a significantly higher portion of the average person's income now."
And the quality of housing and living accommodations are significantly improved. We don't have to spend entire days laying on the floor trying not to sweat to death in summer, or huddling together entire months to not freeze to death. We don't have to buy literal giant blocks of ice to preserve food. We can travel anywhere we want faster and more comfortable. We have more variety of foods and cheaper foods.
>There are more toxic particles of industry leftovers floating around in your air and water than ever.
Way better back in the day when all the toxins were just in our food, water, and paint in our walls.
>People in general are more isolated and unhealthy than ever, I could go on.
People choose to isolate themselves and that's no one elses business. And yeah we're healthier because we have so much access to cheap delicious food we cant control ourselves. HOW TERRIFYING, it'd be WAY better if we went back to not having all the overeating illnesses and had to worry about getting a meal each day while also still having shorter life expectancy.
>As for inflation, come on, when everything but your salary is increasing, you have less money relative to the cost of stuff.
Too bad all of your solutions are the same ones that created this mess.
>>768259728
Check and mate
>>768258798
that's a structural fallacy, and maliciously misleading (whether knowingly or in ignorance)
Salaries in a corporate setting are affected firstly by demand for a position, second how that position directly affects the bottom or top line, and third what they believe they can get away with paying someone in said position.
Corporate taxes are only levied on corporate profits, and the tax structure is such that operating costs are taken out of the gross income before being taxed. Anyone that has ever filled a 1040 could figure that out.
(source - I have an MBA, I can do google good, and I like to look at words that make me feel smarter)
If you got an FHA loan since hes been president he literally stole money from you just to spite Obama. Enjoy.
>>768259429
>>768259832
Just because something is written in a book doesn't make it automatically true.
Researching something from books and papers is fast but should never replace thinking.
>>768252031
yeah, wait for gas to go back up to 4 bucks a gallon. juuuust wait
>>768260119
Ladies and gentlemen;
The "woke" Mcdonalds grillmaster
>>768259728
>3. Can properly balance a check book
>implying this is even needed anymore
typical conservative still living in the 50s
>>768260139
That’s caused by fear speculation from investors upon hearing its hurricane season. Happens every year and is bullshit.
>>768259409
>because you have a smart phone?
Yes. Great example.
In 1970 you had 1 phone for an entire family.
Now most people have a personal phone.
Internet.
I'd bet you have at least 3, paying subscriptions to services that weren't even available in the 70's.
Yes, there is pollution. But, at least where Im at, nowhere near 1970's levels of pollution.
You can't say that wages can't keep up with inflation because, somehow we have a high percentage of home ownership and Starbucks is a wealthy corp. Those are not signs of the world you're trying to portray.
>>768258948
sorry friend, >>768259317 has it right. gold isn't affected by inflation. the US economy wasn't affected by world economic inflation until it moved away from the gold standard.
I mean, we did replace it with oil technically... but oil is as figuratively volatile as it is literally
>>768260320
>>768260276
>>768260119
I stand corrected, we have TWO "WOKE" Mcdonalds Grillmasters
>>768260320
Why should we learn simple math if calculators sell for less than $10?
>>768248670
Under Obama I owed taxes at the end of the year and had to use all kinds of incentives just to not pay them.
Under Trump I didn't have to do anything and actually saw a return.
I get the shit taxed outta me already, so that was nice.
>>768259481
I thought Johnson took Weld on solely to be more appealing to the masses?
>>768259727
THIS
>>768260518
Tax reform had not been instated during your last return. Stop being stupid and thank Obama for your money.
>>768260525
Johnson was a republican before becoming libertarian, so he intentionally brought on a democrat to "balance" it out. But leftists have descended in to complete degeneracy and fascism, so that was a fuckup.
Trump personally put more money in my bank account and I feel overall safer with him in charge due to him cracking down on illegal immigration and terrorism, leaving our right to bear mostly intact, bringing people together for a common purpose and other essential things for a free country. That's good enough for me. It's refreshing to not have a niggercuck in charge after 8 years of Obabo forcing me at gunpoint to overpay for healthcare I didn't even want or need, simply allowing Mexico and mudshit countries to send their worst with no consequences, using the actions of criminals to justify threats to leave lawful citizens unprotected against said criminals, ruining what little progress we've made to fix race relations and other insane shit. Good fucking riddance. I'd have taken almost anyone over Amama... ALMOST anyone. Sorry, Killary.
ITT:
Liberals completely ignore the many valid ways people have said Trump actually improved peoples lives because they are upset
>>768260518
Idiots like this give them the perfect distraction to do so
>>768259948
Lol, what solutions have I proposed, who are you arguing with?
Clearly we're better off spending our days on electronic devices finding people who validate our beliefs than we were actually interacting with the people around us, right?
Clearly googling shit that you don't retain for more than 5 minutes helps you develop your own mind and form your own opinions.
Lead paint in the walls, you think shit like that's not happening right now? There's so much poisonous product being sold that will "obviously" be toxic 20 years from now after all the litigation goes through, because our country fails to regulate new materials/substances.
Back to the actual conversation though, seems you at least agree we're in a mess. Our wages have stagnated, yet BASIC costs of living continue to go up, things you need, things like shelter and food.
>>768260396
gold is a commodity
it's value rises and falls with supply and demand just like every other commodity
gold is not magical it is a metal
the value of gold is not as stable as it might appear.
>>768249266
>the right
>the american right
I'm glad Trump won, now the neoconservatives who are hypocrite vampires have lost the control of the GOP, Trump, either if he wanted it or not has opened the door to the citizens of the US to control their future again
>>768259969
So a company has never returned profits to its associates? I am speaking vaguely, not for every company to ever exist.
>>768260744
You have literally no basis to claim people would be better off without communicating on electronic devices. And pretty much all measurable data you could get proves that it's complete bullshit.
Show me the lead paint.
Food has gone DOWN. Shelter has gone up and not even a fraction compared to how much quality of shelter has gone up.
Take your made up numbers and conspiracies to Alex Jones forums
>>768248670
He hasn't turned the freaking frogs gay
>>768259728
literally one person I know makes anything close to the minimum wage, and i think only one other lives with parents. Less than a quarter of people I know vote red, and all but one of the people I'm close to are NOT socially conservative.
Also, I'd like to point out that the majority of people that voted for trump were people that fall under the median household income. Poor whites pretty much everywhere except in major metro areas were his biggest supporters. And most of the rednecks I know? They either live on family land, or have shit jobs, or both. Your categorization is unfair to both sides dude
the other day he admitted on twitter that "fake news" is literally just anything negative about him... top fucking kek
>>768261322
Accurate but you will always have the voters that base their opinions off of surface value, like Obama being colored, Bush walking in Bush Sr's foot steps, Trump 'MAGA'....
>>768248670
if you're rich or feel your life is improved by blocking immigration and deporting people, sure.
if not, you're just delusional if you think trump is making things better for you
>>768261367
Because roughly %50 of that 91% is probably fake
>>768260973
Alright, I'll give you food, I pulled that one outta my ass and it turns out it's slightly cheaper now; but c'mon, everything else costs more. Are houses really that much better, no. Slap some AC on a 1920s house and it goes for just as much as a comparable house built 10 years ago.
And just look at how angry you are right now, you'd be more civil in a real life face to face conversation, which kind of lends credit to my opinion that the way we use electronics is unhealthy and in no way beneficial to quality of life.
It's like when the TV was invented, the dude thought it would be such a great learning education tool, and it is. But 99% of the way it's actually used is just mindless entertainment, keeping the sheep docile. It's not far fetched to think our smart phones and ubiquitous internet aren't working in our favor in the big scheme of things.
>>768261549
>blocking immigration and deporting people
blocking ILLEGAL immigration and deporting CRIMINALS
ftfy
btw: why has the Democrat Party NEVER introduced a bill that abolishes all immigration laws and eliminates all border patrol?
when is illegal immigration OK?
>>768261549
>if you're not delusional you're delusional
???
>>768261761
yeah we live in a house built in the 1976 and the AC looks like it too, its MASSIVE, and we pay 1100 a month in rent, this is not worth it.
>>768261977
dude he's doing plenty to reduce legal immigration too.
>>768252168
bullshit, trying to teach history with just a chalkboard and a good teacher isnt going to get you anywhere, and youre not going to really be able to connect them to what going on in the world. Which do you think has more of an impact? Me showing the class a video of the horrible things going on in syria or me talking about it? Half of them would be asleep 5 minutes in if i just try to explain. A good bit of this technology is helpful in the classroom. Of course not all is, but there does need to be some trial and error along the way, not just "we had a chalkboard and we did fine"
>>768262349
"Half of them would be asleep"
Not with a good teacher! That's my point, the most important thing in a classroom is the teacher, keeping kids engaged and responsive is a skill, a hard skill to learn and master.
If there's an excess of money, by all means, get ipads and stuff, but when you can't even attract skilled teachers with the pitiful salaries you have to offer, the money being invested should go to teacher salaries.
A matter of prioritization.
>>768259750
now wait a second man..
the dude you responded to wasn't saying anything about quality of life. He was talking about the wage gap between the top 1% and the bottom 99%
I agree with you on a majority of what you said. No argument on almost all of it. But you got the wages thing all wrong. Wages over the past 30 or so years have been outpaced by inflation year over year almost without fail. Except for the top. In the 70's and 80's the average CEO made somewhere between 4 and 25 times more than the other 99%. the average for the past decade remains the same for most private small companies (under 200 employees). But for the top 272 of the fortune 500 companies, CEO compensation is over a million bucks a year, and 300% to 1100% higher than the other 99%, which for some damn reason is an average of everyone else, including all of the other "C-suite" execs.
Dude, wages for the top 1% have increased at a rate about 3 times greater than the rate of inflation, but that rate is also about 900% higher than the wages for the average 99%. All of this is public information that must be reported, thanks to Dodd-Frank.
Pay inequality might not be as heinous as it is in places like the UK (the gender gap is .. gah), or in the third world. But there should be no question in anyone's mind that the rich are indeed getting richer, and it's because everyone else is working harder to make comparatively less and less.
>>768260742
i was watching some interviews with trump supporters. without fail, every single one of them said they liked how he was doing because of something outright false, something they think benefits them when it really hurts them, something he keeps saying he'll do but hasn't, or just because they're pissed off at the left
i've yet to find a single person who supports him that isn't stupid or malicious
>>768262560
yes even with a good teacher. Getting kids engaged isnt always about the teacher. Often good relevant content is just as important to them. If a kid cant see why any of this matters to them, or is impacting other people in a big way then they will often tune out almost immediately. Standing up there preaching is proven to turn a good many students out. Exactly why i would start many lessons with a video or something relevant to the daily news or what we were talking about that day.
>>768248670
>Has Donald Trump improved the lives of ordinary Americans? After all, the measurement of the effectiveness of any leader of a state is quantified by the overall improvement of the quality of life of said state's constituents.
No, but allow them to think that their lives have been changed.
Trump has already successfully pushed an agenda that allows the top 1% to get even more 1%-ier
that's all that matters. The only question is whether new policies survive the next election cycle
>>768262897
Oh my god dude, you're not listening.
A good teacher CHOOSES the content, content tailored to engage and teach the kids. A good teacher gets the kids to understand how it impacts them, why they should care, a good teacher DOESN'T preach, they get conversations going...
>lowers income taxes
>hailed among the working class
>increases spending
>dummies dont realize that deficit is going to have to be made up in the future
>continues ranting about the minimal welfare fraud that takes place in between mouth breathing
>doesnt realize that lowering taxes and increasing spending is essentially nationwide welfare
>>768260874
that's profit sharing, that's not a salary. that is not the norm, much less a practice that affects the majority of wage-earners. That is a value-adding benefit in working for a company that offers profit sharing. I'm not even sure if that counts towards the ambiguous catch-all of the word "compensation" since it's something that is never guaranteed.
>>768261099
kek
>>768248670
My towns non-essential businesses are no longer drowning. Before Trump, nobody had money for Timmy to play hockey and Tina was shit out of luck when it came to gymnastics. Some great athletes were lost during those 8 years. I'm not saying my town was producing Olympic athletes and NHL players but they were sending kids to college on scholarships. Since Trump, athletic enrollment is up in the private sector of my town (hockey and gymnastics).
And just in case you think that is not a big deal, then you are thinking too small. Parents put kids in sports and now they need to travel, parents buy a new vehicle so the car dealership has benefitted. That story could go on forever.
Socially, student athletes generally develop outstanding social skills and a great work ethic. That translates to the real world in a real way. Just those two skills alone can increase chances of promotions over the next person. So now, 20 years from the day Trump entered office, there will be a surge in the workforce that will outclass its previous 8 year mini-generation.
>>768262783
yeah it's late for me and I was responding to more than one post.
CEOs that make alot of money are executives of companies that generate billions in revenues. Most of those companies are publicly owned and their salaries are public info.
I don't thing making any type of rule that would cap their salaries would affect the salaries of the other employees. Probably just increase dividends by a few cents.
But the real issue would be the rule governing the salary of any individual. Kinda commie
>>768250073
funny way to spell DNC
>>768263642
I dunno man, can you back up that outstanding social skills/work ethic thing?
The athletes I can think of from high school are the same ones who are still working shitty jobs now, or they're the girls who got knocked up young.
Could be you're spot on and that's just my abnormal high school, but I'm curious where you get that?
>>768261497
that's actually a really solid, if unfortunate, point my dude.
>>768263110
If i only have a chalkboard and nothing else, i have no choice but to begin the lesson by preaching somewhat. Most of these kids arent going to walk into a classroom and know exactly what is going on, then immediately start contributing to discussions. They need to be presented the content in a way that engages them, with many students learning in different ways. (video, audio, reading, writing, hell even music) To be honest all the things that need to be taught in the classroom arent that interesting. That doesnt mean that we just shouldnt teach it. If you only pick awesome content for your students then your failing them by leaving out some of the most important and core concepts of the material
>>768262897
videos were always nice. I knew nobody would ask any questions and i could think about whatever i had in mind that day. The only difficulty was not falling a sleep or at least waking up in time.
>>768263877
feel like this is a cliche more than anything. A lot of athletes i know can point to the fact that they have good social and networking skills and it leads to them being able to better communicate with other employees and voice they needs and concerns better. It doesnt matter how smart you are if you cant effectively tell the next person in line what youre thinkning
>>768261600
....
c'mon
>>768248670
Explain how Hillary Clinton would be improving your life
>>768264055
There are ways of presenting "not all that interesting" stuff and making it interesting, it just takes a good teacher, which unfortunately many americans never experience. You probably think this stuff is not all that interesting because you had shitty teachers.
There are also ways of engaging kids in conversations incrementally, building up, knowledge on knowledge. Clearly they can't expect kids to walk in the door ready for doctorate level discussions on the geopolitical climate preceding america's secession from britian.
This is my whole point, it's HARD to do these things, it takes skill, time, hard work and education. You can't just throw some ipads at schools and call it good. As long as we don't value teachers and hold them to higher standards our education system won't be so great.
>>768250944
>accepting the american "1% rich, 99% slaves" mindset?
its funny that you think this is an "American" mindset when foreigners are the largest demographic of small business owners. and they'll surely work their way up the ladder faster than anyone who believes the black-and-white mindset of the 1% vs the 99%. your toxic mindset is poisoning Americans. that's ok for me though, that means less competition for my business where i'm earning "only" within the top 15% when i go to file my taxes.
>>768264214
eh, depends on the type of video. if its some old vhs youve been playing for years, yeah that wont get you far. If you pick something that you know the stuents will find interesting and builds on wht youre learning or have learned or especially something going on in the world today it can be really helpful. A good deal of this though comes from knowing your students and how they will respond to things. Also, not a bad idea to tweak things as you go along from class to class and year to year
I have more money on my paycheck after his tax plan. So thats good.
On the other hand i cant see Gook Nukem wanting to nuke Commiefornia anymore, so that sucks.
>>768264408
getting kids to willing contribute to discussions is hard enough when they already dont want to be there most of the time. I agree with you on valuing teachers higher, but taking all their technology away from them and telling them they just "need to be better teachers" isnt going to work either. Most things in a classroom today have been proven to help, not hurt, but then again im someone who thinks we spend way too much on the military when that money could be better spend elsewhere
>>768264444
Sure, we're not quite there yet, but we're well on the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
Other people have already pointed it out, but wealth is being increasingly funneled into fewer hands. You're down in the 15%, that's great for now, but things keep going like they're going... 30 years from now you'd be a brokeass.
Better claw your way up into that 1%. So many poor people accept the mindset too, believing they're inferior because they didn't:
A.Get born into wealth
B.Spend most of their youth/middle years working crazy hours on startup business/whatever to get rich
Wish we could be like those happy Scandinavian countries where everyone has a basic education, but then can also choose to be a simple cabby or something without being considered a lazy sub human.
>>768263718
completely agree with you on that. Honestly, I really think the most that info is meant for is so investors can make better informed decisions, and maaaybe a smart employee or union can use it as a bargaining chip for wage negotiations.
But you hit the nail on the head about capping wages. In my opinion, the only rules governing salary should be minimum wage, and that should be set in stone to change every X years by Y rate. But even that should only exist as much as is absolutely necessary in order to protect the "little guy" from unscrupulous people. While I think the "tax burden" should also shift to the tax payers with the income that can support it the best, I think attempting to govern anyone's salary is politically suicidal.
>>768263719
.... i dont get it
>>768265196
we call that the "no u" maneuver
>>768248670
A news report just reported that major depression rates since Trump took office have increased 33%, and that it may be even higher since that figure applies only to people with health insurance. Among Millennials, major depression has increased 62%.
>>768250239
And who will invent said robots if everyone are nitwits like you due to lack of education?
>>768264719
literally nobody wants anything to happen to america. EVERYONE relies on the fitness of the US economy in one way or another. Every country that has two rupees to rub together has money invested somewhere in america. And I won't even bother trying to figure out who owns property where...
and I will bet real money that at least 99.995% of the world population has eaten american food, and at least 2/3 of the population directly or indirectly relies on american produced staples like corn and soy.
Only the wackos and so-poor-they're-driven-bonkers want to actually do any harm to the US. US citizens are on their own, but it's in everyone's best interest to protect the american dollar
ITT: Delusional anons trying to make others believe they make millions a year
>>768265455
tl;dr - pretty much everybody is at least a little sad rn, but people are more likely to seek professional help now than ever before. So we got that going for us. Which is nice.
>>768265165
cap executive compensation at 20x the lowest paid employee. nobody should be getting 8 figure salaries while their secretary struggles to put food on the table for the kids.
>>768266449
i like it
>>768263877
To be honest, that cliche kind of exists in my town too but only with football players. But they may work hard labor jobs but they still usually carry that work ethic. When I was in high school I worked at KFC and my manager was one of those types. Sure, he didn't make great life choices but he brought great work ethic to the store. And I worked at a few other food places throughout school and nobody matched him.
My day to day life is pretty much unchanged from 2 years ago.
I won't see the effects of a lot of this shit until a few more years down the road.
I'm just above poverty line so deductions make a good bit of difference. The tax cuts don't offset the loss of individual deductions. I end up using personal funds for my work (I work in public education) and the decrease in federal funding to states for various programs will hurt in the end.
Main thing I'm worried about is the deficit and how it'll be dealt with in the future. Either services must be cut drastically or taxes must be raised. The budget didn't cut enough to make up for the tax cuts and a spiraling deficit doesn't bode well. If Repubs remain in control and coalesce it sure as shit won't be tax raises, so if they actually care about decreasing the deficit and balancing the budget they're gonna have to make cuts.
And when I say services, I'm not talking about muh welfare. I mean schools, maintenance of roads, just basic services that let society run. Corporate profits are shooting up but it really hasn't helped me at all. Prices aren't cheaper for anything where I live, be it goods or services or things like car or medical insurance. I'm more than a little worried about increasing gas prices since I have to drive quite a ways (I live in the south and in a place where mass transit isn't exactly an option)
>>768256115
His insurance premium/deductible would have nothing to do with trump and everything to do with obama. In fact what we all have can no longer even be called insurance but prepaid healthcare.
>>768248670
As of 2018 my taxes will go down significantly, that's a great improvement.
Hostilities with North Korean are coming to an end.
Corrupt intelligence bureaucracies are being cleaned out by the day.
Hitlery Cunton is not President of the United States of America.
Pretty good so far imo. Still 2 years to go too.
>>768248670
Actually yes. The tax reform helped but the big thing is his Twitter account. Whenever he would tweet about a company or business the stock would tank, after a couple weeks people realize it's no big deal and the stock climbs back up to original market value. He's great for private investors like myself. When people get rid of the "I exist therefore I deserve" mentality, you can do amazing things and I think that, for someone with only business experience and not politics, he's doing fine.
>>768267260
To be fair, I couldn't afford healthcare at all before Obama. It's not great healthcare I'm getting at the moment, pretty much just cuts my co-pay in half and makes my medicine less expensive (hi2u epilepsy), but it's better than i could before.
and before you mention it, I work. it just pays like ass and doesn't offer benefits. on the private market i was fucked and lived for years without insurance because it was either buy medicine or pay premiums.
with my income now, i just forgo a tax return and have a $0 premium that helps me get to the doctor and afford my medicine.
>>768266449
>"cap executive compensation"
>"nobody should be getting 8 figure salaries"
No. If I incur all the investment and risk I damn well better be seeing 8 figures if my business does well enough. No one is forcing the secretary in this situation to work at the company either. That's the beauty of a competitive, capitalistic economy. Don't like your job? Pay sucks? Work somewhere else.
go say hi to the grand summoners they like 4ch democrats
taste like chicken
>>768248670
>be Ameri-mutt
>no gov't healthcare plan, at the mercy of doctors working on you in exchange for crippling debt
>new healthcare plan comes along
>you can now be fined for being too poor to afford health insurance
>God Bless
>>768269046
say hi to who??
on a separate note- you know people supposedly taste like pork, right? Not chicken.
>>768269655
some states aren't really into fucking over poor people. I'm in NJ, since we opted in to the medicaid expansion all poor people have free health insurance.
>>768269534
beat me to it.
>>768269534
Average executive officer salary is 6 figures, not 8, so I figured you meant to say owner. Either way, why does it matter? Why would I pay someone with no applicable skills other than answering phone calls and setting appointments? I can do that from my phone. Again, using the secretary example - why would I pay someone a salary for a job that's going to be done by machines in a few years? Makes no sense.
>>768270213
hasn't hawaii been doing it for years now too? And I thought I read something about NY trying something similar?
>>768248670
The lives of ordinary citizens changes very little, no matter who is in office. Stfu logfag.
>>768270268
the better question is why the fuck do you think your job is worth being paid more than 20x more? you're a better worker, highly skilled and educated, and therefore make twenty fucking times as much as that secretary. but you're not doing anything that's so valuable that your workers should live in poverty so you can be compensated 200x or 2000x instead of 20x.
pay the lowest people 50k per year, that means you're already making $1mil per year. that's a fucking fortune, and whatever you're doing, it's not worth that much more, and if it is, your company then ought to be so successful you can pay a higher base salary. and conversely, if you're only able to pay $20k per year, well you don't deserve more than the $400,000 limit in that case either
there's no excuse other than pure unadulterated greed to say 20x isn't enough
>>768270268
compensation of the average CEO of a publicly traded company with at least 250 full time employees on payroll is greater than half a mil. In that same group, the average difference in pay between the CEO and everyone else in the company is 300:1. Privately owned companies, to my knowledge, don't have to report the data necessary to compute, but the ones that do average a pay ration of >= 25:1
Glassdoor and several other organizations have more than proven that companies with the smallest wage gaps between CEO and everyone else have the most satisfied employees. The SEC and several other organizations have overwhelmingly proven that the companies with the smallest wage gaps and the most satisfied employees are also the best performers on the market, and by extension the smartest picks for investors.
Think about it like this: Employee satisfaction is most important to retention, obviously, right? On average, for every $10k/yr that an employee makes, it costs a company around $2k to train a replacement when said employee leaves. So would you rather have a 40% turn-over that costs your company a $1M/yr (figuring 400 ppl at avg $60k/yr) that looks hella unstable to investors, not to mention shit quality... or would you rather give all your people a 3% raise for no damn reason, which costs your comp like $750k once, and your retention and quality and desireability go through the roof?
also, >>768270656 probably said it better than I did...
