how much illegal things can you tell a therapist before they do something about it?
7.
>>768228102
Depends on where you live and what illegal things you're talking about.
>>768228102
If you're a harm to yourself or others.
>>768228102
>how many
none so cross the border back pedro
>>768228102
depends on where you are getting therapy
I don't think there's a law mandating that they MUST keep it confidential... so the answer is 1.
>>768228102
Depends. There is doctorr patient confidentiality. but that only extends to the point where if they feel someone is in real and imminent danger of harm, then they have a legal obligation to inform the authorities
>>768228193
europe, mainly incest related
>>768228230
nowhere currently, just keep getting it recommended to me from randoms that ive been using to vent for years
>>768228102
A therapist will only rat you out if you pose a serious threat to yourself or others.
>>768228102
Therapists (in America) are legally obligated to maintain the privacy of everything you discuss with them unless what you tell them constitutes a threat to the wellbeing of yourself or other people. As long as you're not threatening to harm yourself or others, you can literally tell a therapist (you are paying for client privileges) anything and they legally can't say a word.
>>768228286
If it's incest with minors they'll come after you with full force. If it's consensual between adults it's probably fine.
>>768228102
I think it depens if you already commited the crime or not, i.e "I killed my neighbor" - they will tell you to confess but most likely won't go to the police.
However if you say "I'm planning to kill my neighbor" I think they have to tell the police because others are in danger.
Opinions?
>>768228102
about tree Fiddy
>>768228387
I now regret telling you this. Wish I had told you that'd be fine either way.
>>768228102
Probably more than it takes for faggots on here to scream for mods
>>768228387
parent, younger sibling and less important but mentionable i guess is two cousins
>>768228253
There are laws that in fact mandate that very thing. Unless the therapist has a reasonable suspicion that you will harm yourself or someone else they are legally obligated to maintain confidentiality.
>>768228602
It's fine. You can tell them everything without worry. They are there to help you.
>>768228817
t. cop
>>768228602
stories or youre a fag,
>>768228622
This. I am a therapist, LCSW certified, 5+ years in practice. We have an obligation to the confidentiality of our clients primarily, but there are instances when the obligation to the greater society supersedes that obligation. In general, it is as anon stated. Reasonable clinical suspicion of imminent harm to self or others, also suspected child abuse.
>>768228938
not sure how to just tell "stories" about it, they arent some sexy porn stories with interesting plots and events, some of them are a bit disgusting and others are basically the same thing but in a slightly different way
>>768229028
I dont know what counts as "child abuse", when I started with my younger sibling we were both underage and under the age of consent. i know my parent abused me when i was little but thats more complex than it sounds
>>768229028
Not related, but I am sitting for my LSW soon. I missed it by 6 points last time. Hopefully it will be better this time around.
>>768229028
Therapist, eh. Can you tell me whats wrong with me? Give me a diagnosis if there is one?
>>768229205
Therapist anon here, the key word is imminent. Regardless of age, if I believe that you will likely abuse (physically/sexually) another person in the imminent future, I have the legal right to prevent such an occurrence, such as psychiatric admittance or legal consultation. If it occurred in the past, I would not make take action, however it would go into my case file as a source of future investigation. Parental abuse in the past would be the same, but, in my state, would be automatically referred to DCFS.
>>768229436
Not the doc. It's not that simple, took multiple visits to get diagnosed with schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder.
Being this much of an idiot and wasting money on a therapist when you and I both know /b/ is the best and cheapest therapist you ll ever need
>Get on chan
>tell story
>get called a faggot
>Today was a good day
>>768229409
Good luck anon. Exam is mostly case examples. Study the best, first, course of action. Think Maslow and DSM 5
A therapist can and will inform specific people in law enforcement "unofficially" about your shenanigans.
So maybe you won't get arrested but they will monitor you extensively until they can legally make a move.
Do not trust your therapist with everything, their priority is to the authorities and not you.
>>768228286
Where in Europe. I'm a therapist in Europe, I can advise a little.
>>768229954
that doesnt really help at all, i need to vent to people about these things constantly and it doesnt really work when its someone completely random that knows nothing about me
>>768230047
one of the northern countries
Quite alot of therapists on /b/. Makes you think...
>>768229436
Symptamology? Also, without seeing you for multiple sessions, I cannot provide a definitive diagnosis. Think of any response as a Psychological WebMD
>>768229970
Thanks man. I am hoping to get it this time. I graduated with my MSW in 2013 (right before the DSM5 changes).
>>768229865
Im getting ready to move back to my hometown and my therapist was double checking that I and my roomate won't have guns and then told me not to kill anyone. Which I thought was odd since I'm 99% sure I never expressed any desire to kill anyone.
>>768230153
I'm based in the Netherlands, clinical psychologist. I've worked in forensic care and specialized mental health. As some other anon mentioned before, I would only really involve law enforcement if there's clear and present danger. If you're going to rape/kill/attack someone in the next 24 hours, I will have you committed. If it's involving minors 24 hours extends to the next week or so (for instance if I feel you're going to cause serious harm to a child). Anything other than and it's just subject for conversation.
>>768228102
They can say something to police only if you reveal plan to make harm to people in future.
>>768230448
> if I feel you're going to cause serious harm to a child
and I dont know what this really entails, my sibling is still under (barely) the age of consent while im not
I'm gonna take a long shot and guess you understand this
Sitter på nattevakt på psykiatrisk akkurat nå.
The law is pretty clear in Norway atleast.
Best example is:
"I killed someone" = legally can't tell anone
"I'm gong to kill someone" = can tell authorities
>>768230564
Then get to it! Nobody gives a fuck except SJW's, faggots and soyboys
>>768228102
>Retards still believe that therapists is not a scam.
>>768230320
Also before DSM changes, it was a bitch to go from multi-axial to single axis. Another thing I didn't mention, make sure you fucking front and back on your ethics, confidentiality, and client's right to self-determination. Questions don't ask about it, same as what else I pointed out, but the way they word it is to test your overall knowledge. Make sure you take a person in environment, holistic, strengths perspective approach to the exam. Good luck again!
>>768230657
get to what? ive been involved with family since i was barely above being a toddler, this is about being able to talk to someone about it
>>768228102
Pretty much none.
>>768230440
He had no right to ask that, at least not in that way. Not all therapist are good therapists.
>>768228102
>wtf happend here??!!??
>>768229865
Florida fag?
We have to follow the same judgement call rulings as well as keeping a detailed case file as well. We call them 'just in case files'. Yes, a lame dad joke.
>>768230675
Therapist anon making good money and helping people . . .
>>768230564
This is usually about parents and their kids. If I feel like you're going to cause harm to your child be hurting or sexually assaulting them, I will report you to child protective services. This isn't to get you arrested, but to get them involved in the case to ensure a safe home.
With siblings, this is different. Again, if I feel like you have been raping your sibling and claim you will do it again in the near future, I might notify child protective services. But this is more of a judgement call than a hard rule. I doubt I would do anything in your case, because it's not your child and your sibling is not like 5 years old.
>>768230967
Illinois here. lol I've heard the same joke
>>768230161
First of all I have an appoinment at a therapist in a couple of weeks and I've already been to a physician to check for physical stuff. Nothing there.
Ever since I hit puberty I've always had periods of depressed mood. When I was 19 I moved out to go to university and I had the first really bad one. Literally went to uni once and just broke down. Should've been a really good time for me in theory though. Got into the uni I wanted, for the subject I wanted at the place I wanted. Everything was actually kinda perfect. Ever since then they come and go, maybe once or twice a year it gets really fucking bad. Literally all the symptoms for depression you can find on wikipedia.
It just stop eventually and I go back to normal, I eat well, I work out, I try to be social but it always comes back.
2-3 months ago it got really, really bad. Started out as regular depression phase but not the usual, sleep 16h a day, feel like shit etc. but really on edge, super high energy, intense mood-swings going from suicidal to really hopeful, plans for the future etc. within the hour, was imagining my roommates were trying to kick me out of our flat and stopped talking to me (they didn't, all in my head). Making very solid plans to kill myself, cleaing my room in a frenzy, talking to myself, being stuck in thought-loops. Actually came kinda close to killing myself but chickened out. Coz my brother tried 3 years ago and my mom was super upset and I can't hurt her.
>>768230564
>>768231070
Adding to this, I felt like mentioning the following: I never report anyone to the police. No therapist does, that doesn't make sense. As far as the law is concerned I'm just another civilian, so your friends reporting you and me reporting you has the same weight (very little) and does not count as evidence whatsoever.
I only report to child protective services, and do so with the safety of the child in my mind. Having a child taken from a home is very harmful, so I only do this is I feel like traumatically removing a child from its home is somehow LESS bad than the current situation they're in. It's not that YOU get in trouble, it's that THEY get safe.
Example case: I recently had a cocaine addicted woman that recently had a baby. She claimed to be clean as she nursed the child, but tests showed the baby had developed addiction to cocaine through the mother milk. I had that child taken away, as it would have almost certainly died if I let it stay in that household. That's the type of risk assessment we're talking about.
>>768231007
True but only to the first part of the sentence.
Its literally just some dude who listens your crap and barely even gives advices. You should kys if you are that retarded and don't even know yourself, paying money to "solve" every little laughable "problem"
psychiatrists help people, not therapists.
>>768228102
One is good
Two is better
Three has even one more letter
>>768228102
If the therapist considers you a threat to yourself or others, or if you reveal information about a crime, the therapist can legally break patient confidentiality.
>>768231476
If you just want your meds, then good luck. Making life changes are hard, don't laugh at our profession for your lack of willpower.
>>768231360
Sounds like u have recurring depressive disorder with psychotic features. Good idea to seek help from a psychiatrist.
>>768231429
I think the thing that prevents me the most in terms of talking to a "professional" about any of this is exactly because id go even more insane if my situation was somehow forced to change suddenly
>>768231522
but I am the disabled one out of them
>>768228102
god Rapunzel is sofaking hot
>>768230675
Calm down Tom Cruise. Scientology is the scam, not helping those with legit problems. Might want to set up an appointment, might help you deal with being an asshole.
>>768231683
No one will force you to change your situation (again, unless death is imminent). The type of intervention where we forcibly do anything is the heaviest and harshest method we have access to. We don't use it lightly.
More likely is that you end up having some conversations about your situation and what steps you can take to work on it.
>>768231683
>but I am the disabled one out of them
Right, and you count, as well, which means that she is compelled to intervene on your behalf. So in this scenario, if your mom and you are having an incest relationship, she will have to consider if your mom is sexually abusing you, if you are disabled, and so that scenario becomes open to police investigation if she does believe a crime has been committed.
Similarly, if you're like, "My friend jake makes me touch his peepee" or whatever shit. It's their job to look out for "vulnerable persons" including you.
>>768231911
im the girl out of them, mom is the only family member i havent done anything with and she doesnt know about any of it either. ive been in special ED most of my life but the majority of my problems are physical so i dont know if thats exactly what youre describing
>>768231666
checked.
Thats something I came up with from my internet-research aswell. How do I differentiate this from bp2? And should I bring the research up in therapy or should I just let them do their thing and see what happens? I don't want to "skew" their diagnosis with my self-diagnose-bullshit findings.
>>768232035
Yeah, if you're cognitively sound, you can consent, so unless you say your brother forced himself on you or whatever, you're fine telling them you love it when he fills your cunt with his cum, or whatever.
It's about protecting people. If nobody needs protecting, they shouldn't be intervening.
>>768231911
Actual therapist here again:
>if you are disabled, and so that scenario becomes open to police investigation if she does believe a crime has been committed.
That is bullshit. Police are not involved, we are just civilians. I would involve child protective services if I felt like there was a serious imminent threat of death. As soon as all parties are adults even that's out of the window. I've had patients that beat the shit out of their partners and told me, but they knew how to not kill them. My interventions in that case are the same as those of any other civilian, I can call it in (like the neighbors probably have), which won't amount to anything. The police also won't arrest them if they're not seeing a crime take place. The world is a lot darker than you think it is.
>>768231360
Hi anon, it sounds like you have Major Depressive Disorder. We do not just diagnose disorders on their names, but specify based on features. My official diagnosis would be: Major Depressive Disorder, Recurrent Episode, Moderate, Unspecified -- 296.30 (F33.9). Please use as reference and see a therapist, in person. Good luck!
>>768232245
Therapist anon here, ignore the other poster. I'm not sure of his background, I am the one you originally asked.
>>768228102
>therapist
Nothing, because that is not an official medical profession which has the protection ofdoctor patient confidentiality.
What you need is a psychiatrist
>>768232141
Don't worry about it mane, just let them do your thing. If you want to mention you've researched it: do so. One of my first questions in intake tends to be "what have you read about it yourself so far?". Tells me a lot whether someone read up on it or not. Shows something about how worried you are, but also about your personality, intelligence and neuroticism.
Don't worry about fucking up our diagnostic process, we do this every day. Everyone lies, everyone misremembers shit, that's fine.
>>768231522
>1. Stated or IMPLIED intent or desire to cause harm to yourself or others.
It is a judgement call as well. Your example..
>So, if you say "I got my girlfriend shitfaced drunk and then railed her drunk ass all night"
Is vague. A GOOD therapist will take more factors into account than someone simply making a single statement. There are more factors that come into play. You can say 'I feel like killing someone' but that does not mean there is intent. Judging intent comes with experience. You have to be able to determine if someone is expressing frustration or if they truly intent on violating someone or causing serious harm/injury/death.
Children are KNOWN to express frustration with such verbiage as killing, punching, hurting, ending their own lives, etc. That does not mean they are going to do it. You have to be able to determine if such a act is viable. It is not as cut and dry as you make it.
Even the 'railing her ass all night' is questionable. It should be documented but jumping the gun and instantly thinking a crime has been committed is not something any schooled therapist who understands the practice would ever consider.
>>768232351
i didnt know the difference
>>768232152
im more concerned about what they would say about what i do with dad mostly because of how much it has affected me
>>768228915
t. you're a faggot
>what is anonymous?
kill yourself new faggot
>>768231857
MODS
>>768232231
I'm well aware of how dark the world is, but, regardless of the age of the patient or individuals involved, if the person is mentally handicapped, or 100% physically disabled, it's seen in the same light as a child, and a prudent therapist following the law would be compelled to involve the police.
Now, I'm well aware, it's easier to claim ignorance, ignore it, and go about your day, but the capacity for you to do that will vary on your patient, and of course this all varies from country to country. I'm specifically referring to US law.
>>768232245
>>768232336
True, I'm another therapist (clinical psychologist), but our conclusions are pretty similar (I hope): talk to a professional IRL.
>>768228286
In my European country if you admit to abusing anybody, dead or alive they must report it. if you say you were abused by somebody living they must report it.
>>768232494
Yeah, I've mentioned before I'm stationed in Europe. It's very different here. I can call the police, but it doesn't do much good, unless there's evidence of a crime. My word is not better than that of a potential perp. If I say they did something and they say they didn't, then there's no evidence and no case. Police don't do anything. Which I think is fair, just because I know psychology does not give me special powers in the eyes of the law. Unless the topic of discussion is specifically mental competence.
>>768232388
checked again.
Thanks alot. Still sceptical about any of you actually being therapists but this did calm me down about going to therapy. So whatever.
>>768232730
>Still sceptical about any of you actually being X
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Just go talk to one of us IRL, that'll be 1000x more helpful than anything I can say here.
>>768232541
Seeing as I've had another professional crosscheck me, I would be even more confident in my diagnosis. As always, face to face consultation is key. Psychologist anon, thanks for your collab.
>>768229436
I'm a clinical practitioner. Tell me about it.
>>768228102
i think so long as no one is in danger by your presence at the time its fine? but idk man
>>768228208
This is the general rule, but it's best not tell about anything remotely illegal as it can be used against you.
>>768232961
Here you go.
>>768231360
>>768228102
Admitting you are a pedophile is enough to making the therapist the cops on you. Which is why pedos very rarely or never go to therapy.
There was a story on reddit about a pedo anon getting screwed over for doing this
you can tell them about doing drugs and fucking hookers in my experience, don't know about other crimes
>>768231360
good news is meds can help with this bigtime
>>768233052
Anon, did you see my diagnosis?
>>768232245
>>768228286
Youre fine if it's just incest and not so much if it was underage incest while you were an adult
all the therapists ITT, I have two questions:
1) do you jerk it to 100% of your women patients or only some of them
2) ever banged one after the therapy ended?
I'm assuming no one bangs a current patient because why shit right where you eat
>>768233325
Ye, I did.
>>768233274
At first I was scared about the meds but I guess I have nothing to lose and Ima gobble all of them up if it works.
>>768229205
>some of them are a bit disgusting
You are going to tell me everything or I'll choke this Asuka
>>768233485
come on therapist anons let's hear it
>>768228102
Ask your therapist. I was about to confess something to my therapist when I received a stern warning that if it had to do with children and sex, he would have to report me. It had nothing to do with either.
>>768234684
well not disgusting to me, but to some people. I wouldnt talk about it here and I dont really want to give out my normal kik or snap or anything here either so dunno
>>768235476
I mean, you can keep it vague, but like what, do you enjoy it?
>>768235606
things involving my disability and hygiene, and yes I enjoy it
>>768235743
I dont think you should be ashamed of it, good on you for owning that you enjoy it; as far as disability, I was with a girl in a wheelchair for a short time, she wasnt very good with keeping bodily "waste" inside her, but that wasnt her fault and wasnt something she could control. Only left her because she had batshit crazy parents and they were starting to turn her crazy too. Own your shit girl. You are who you are.
>>768228102
Stop getting advice from 4chin and read the fucking contracts they make you sign. The information is in there.
>>768228102
I don't know. I'd guess it depends to some extent where you live. More importantly, your therapist should have made it clear right at the start what conditions (if any) would lead them to break confidentiality. You shouldn't have to be worrying or even wondering.
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>>768235969
/thread
>>768236106
woops meant to /thread >>768235972
I'm sorry, I'm gonna go an hero now
>>768228102
it is very unlikely for a therapist to "respect their position" and keep your secrets if you're admitting to serious crimes.
>>768228444
This seems a fair point.Hadn't actually thought of it like this but when you do it's so obvious that you feel it HAS to be part of the rules.
>>768235969
somewhat similar things with me, although its only a part of it all. half of my hygiene problems are self inflicted on purpose
>>768228286
>mainly incest related
If it involves a child therapists are mandatory reporters.
>>768228444
>I think they have to tell the police
Nope, there's very few things that allow for breaking confidentiality and that isn't one of them.
>>768230158
Handling mentally ill people on /b/ is good training for handling mentally ill people irl I guess
>>768228160
/Thread
my doc told me this fixes it all
watch?v=IIMPDnpk-RI
>>768228102
In the USA they are mandatory reporters. If someone is in danger or was hurt they have to report it.
>>768236588
If irl was even vaguely like /b/ there'd be no point coming here.
/b is a zoo for humanoids.
>>768230759
Heh, I still can't believe that I got more help from an Anon on 4chan about the exam than I did from taking study classes/practice exams/etc.
>>768228102
Actual shrink here. The answer isn't that complicated.
1) If you tell me you're going to commit suicide, I'm gonna try to talk you into signing yourself into the hospital and if I can't I'm going to call you an ambulance.
2) If you tell me you're going to hurt someone else (physically) and I believe you're likely to follow through I'm going to talk you into signing yourself into the hospital or call you an ambulance.
3) If you tell me about child abuse I'm a mandated reporter and I have to call DCFS.
4) Technically I'm supposed to do that about elder abuse but Illinois has a mandated reporting law but literally no one who will actually take a report.
Beyond that I could give a shit. Killed a guy yesterday? Not my problem except as it pertains to our session. Gonna rob a bank tomorrow? Unless you're planning on shooting someone for the thrill of its only concerning to me clinically. Moving two pounds to coke a week? Whatever.
>>768236541
Huh, my sister was raped by my dad when she was younger, she went to a therapist and the therapist herself told my sister telling the police would only make it worse for her, so she didn't.
>>768228102
Ask the dad from 7th Heaven
>>768228357
unless youre gona hurt you or someone else, or touch a kid
>>768228102
If they determine you're an immediate threat to yourself or others they'll tell someone. Otherwise, according to most contracts, they won't tell shit unless you say it's ok. Varies from place to place though.
The person above is not a therapist. Being sued later is the concern, many illegal acts, including admitting using prostitutes, and a desire to continue, demand disclosure to law enforcement in order to avoid liability.