So, CP is illegal because a child cannot consent to sex or to engage in sexual activities (like nude modelling instigated by one or more adults), because legally they do not have the mental capacity to understand what they're getting into, right?
So when two 12 years olds go at each other on a live webstream like omegle, how can it be classed as CP when they're both willing participants with no adult coercion whatsoever? They're not rewarded for their actions so it's not a 'supply and demand' scenario either
Discuss
Picture unrelated as she's clearly over 18
>>768219173
The adult/parent who pays the isp bill has to agree to the terms and conditions and acceptable use stuff.
>>768219429
Actually very good point. But aside from that, the content of the latter itself shouldn't be regarded in the same manner as the former (although obviously morally reprehensible. Where do those kids learn this stuff etc...)
So if I like 12yo's I can bust nuts on Omegle?
>>768219780
Only if you're 12 yourself
>>768219780
No, but we can bust your nuts between 2 bricks if you want
>>768219932
For 500 dollars you can.
>>768219970
I can give you $30 and a diet coke
>>768220013
Make it a Pepsi.
>>768219921
Damn it. So close.
>>768220013
Sold
>>768220069
I'm British. We don't 'do' pepsi here
>>768220111
Trips confirm
So when she fists that bunny on live TV that isn't CP either?
>>768219173
Well you can never be sure of something that might be going on outside the frame of the camera.
In US Law for example a Will that is video taped is not permissable.
A will must be in your own handwriting and you have to have a witness.
So their is precedent in law regarding the validity of video tape.
You could also say that they dont fully comprehend the gravity of video taping themselves doing those acts.
It's one thing to actually do them. It's another thing to video tape it. And even then it's another thing to video tape it for other people to watch and keep.
>>768220329
kek
Yeah but when kids do that stuff on the web they rarely go to jail. If you as a grown up watch it, that's another story.
>>768219429
so just change OP's situation
The 12 year olds bought a video camera for cheap with their own money and pass around the video on their own usb drives to people they want to see it all under their own volition
>>768219173
>when they're both willing participants with no adult coercion whatsoever?
They can't be willing participants because by law they don't have adult judgment. They don't have the capacity to make this kind of decision about how to conduct their lives.
>>768220153
>We don't 'do' pepsi here
nothing of value was lost
In most states it's legal to fuck, marry, impregnate and then abort that pregnancy of a 16 year old.
But to simply have a naked picture a 16 year old, even if that 16 year old is your wife, it's enough to get you registered on a sex offender list which condemns the rest of your life.
Makes a lot of sense.
>>768220528
OP
>Hey why can't children be willing participants? Why does the law say that?
Dumb idiot butthole sniffing retard
>the law says that they can't be willing participants because the law says so
I sincerely hope you aren't actually this retarded
In the UK you can have sex with a 16 year old but if you take a picture of her naked you go to prison for being a sex offender
>>768220726
You can fuck a 16 yo and video it, but if you watch the video back you are watching child porn
>>768220528
>by law they don't have adult judgment.
>by law
ITT: we trust the law and adults are legitimate authorities with sound judgement
>>768220726
Same in the UK. My first girlfriend was 16 when we started fucking. I'd pick her up from school on her lunch break, we'd fuck like rabbits for 45 minutes, grab a bite to eat then i'd drop her off so she could sit through double math with my cum leaking all over her seat. Everyone knew which made it even hotter
>>768220783
really? I remember in the 80's Samatha Fox was topless in that paper, The Sun I think, when she was 16. Laws change since then?
>>768220991
This is actually digital rape, please stop. Her pixels are bruising
>>768220991
Yes, they changed the law in the late 90's early 2000's I think. The Sun had to destroy all their pics of 16yo Sam Fox.
>>768220991
Everything was better in the 80s
Except the bush.
Could do without the bushes.
>>768221155
Intersting dbus
>>768219173
Because they're children and it's pornography.
What part of this is so fucking hard for you to understand?
Doesn't fucking matter if you like it, hate it, have an opinion on it or don't care about it... it's child porn.
It's illegal.
Doesn't fucking matter if it's wrong or right.
I love some illegal things, I hate some illegal things... doesn't fucking matter if I love or or hate it.
Seriously.
You pedos do some mental gymnastics that would win gold if it was an Olympic sport.
>>768220991
Yes. 16 and 17 year olds were regular page 3 girls. Then someone realised the paper could be sold overseas and the law changed
>>768221251
It's an open debate dipshit. Lighten up. It's not promoting or advertising CP, so chill the fuck out
>>768221295
I thought it was page 5? Did I just get mandella'd
>>768221295
They should have changed the age of consent at the same time, because they left it at 16 it meant you could now be a paedo for looking at a 16 you but not for fucking her
>>768221251
lol internalizing keeping you down bud?
>>768221401
So rape instead of look on 16. Then claim muzzie when caught correct?
>>768219173
So here's a scenario I've been mulling over lately.
Let's say a 13 year old take sexually explicit photos of themselves for whatever reason.
Years later, when they are in their 20s, say, they find their old camera and those photos are still on the SD card.
They decide that it would be hot if people looked at those pictures and post them on the internet.
So clearly this is illegal, BUT, is it immoral?
>>768221569
It should be neither. The government should fuck off.
>>768221361
No, because the Mandella effect is bullshit made up by one woman to sell T-shirts
>>768221401
By 'looking at', I assume you mean in print? Or actually just looking at a 16 year old standing in front of you? Because that's pretty retarded
Anyway,m if they changed the age of consent there would be an entire generation of teen with ac tive sex lives who would have to abstain for 2 years, and I really can't see that happening
>>768221569
If they posted them themselves, no. Their body, their photos, their choice. But if someone else came across that SD card and posted them, then yes. Tantamount to abuse
>>768221361
No because that isn't a thing. It was always page 3.
>>768220991
I'd still hit it
>>768221569
they can be labeled as producers of cp
>>768221808
I fapped to many of those back in the 80's. That's weird.
>>768221761
Well obviously it would be wrong for someone else to do it. That isn't even age dependant. I look at the fappening pics line everyone else, but there's no question that whoever posted them is doing something shitty to those people.
Also, I think I agree. About the morality of posting your own underage pics. I think you could make an argument about it causing social harm, like with drugs or prostitution where they say it isn't necessarily wrong, but causes social ills or whatever. I think those are weak arguments, but you could make them.
>>768222051
Yes. I know. It's illegal. That was right in my post. The question is, "Is it unethical to post the pictures at a time in your life when they can no longer cause you any mental harm?"
>>768222914
No, its not unethical, nobody is harmed. The laws on child porn were written up before selfies were invented.
The problem with the legality of CP is not only that the child doesn't understand the consequences, even though thats part if it, but that, if CP were to be legal, children could be forced without the viewer knowing it. If you, for example, saw two 12yo play with each other, how could you or anybody else know if they were firced to do it. The problem doesn't miraculously stop at the age of 18, of course. But there has to be a border somewhere... Even tho I wouldn't say no to some juicy 16yo
>>768219173
Maybe someone has mentioned this already but there have been cases of children getting into trouble for production of cp by taking nudes of themselves. So op in the scenario you mentioned the two kids just might get into some legal trouble.
It's an interesting subject. And unfortunately one that people are to uncomfortable to openly discuss. Which means the nuances that need to be addressed legally fall through the cracks. For instance, a 17 year old girl can work in a strip club (as long as they don't serve alchohol) to posses a photo of her stripping is illegal.
And so many of our classic "love stories" fail to mention the age gaps romeo and juliet were 20 and 13 respectivly. Pocahontas (who was never actually with John smith) but in the story they are approx (Smith made the whole thing up so details are fuzzy) 13 and 35
The list goes on.
>>768223499
Agree totally. It has changed recently in the UK where if they're under 14, i think, it'll just be a caution, but over that age they are deemed aware and responsible in part for producing illegal conent. Not sex offender's register level, but still leaves a mark
>>768221569
To make it reductio ad absurdam, someone takes a pic of their vagoo/penor the night before their 18th birthday, but doesn't upload it until the next morning. CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS!
>>768219173
1. women are passive beings and cannot consent at any age.
2. Only faggy sexual acctions can be between two participants, who concent.
That said, both boys should get a good beating for being fags.
>>768220153
>I'm British. We don't 'do' pepsi here
WTF are you on about, m8?
We do Pepsi. Pepsi's fuckin' top, fam.
Diet, Max, don't matter. Fuckin' ave that Pepsi, innit?
>>768219173
that gril does not look remotely close to 18 you're delusional
>>768224218
>fam.
Fuck off
>>768221809
>I'd still hit it
Unless you have a vagina, she ain't going to wanna hit you, friendo.
>>768224387
>Fuck off
sick chirps, bredrin!
>>768224387
Also, of all of that fucking nonsense, only the "fam" upset you?
>>768223713
Is it enforced alot though? Here in the states it seems like it all depends on how draconian your state is or isnt. Theres no consistency here
>>768222914
Yes, because it normalizes the sexualization of children and creates a culture where it is acceptable to sexually exploit them
>>768224749
But in this case children weren't exploited.
>>768224669
Oh god it's asinine. That cunt Charlie Sloth uses it all the time and it's like a neanderthal found a new word, thinks it's smart and uses it as much as possible
>>768225062
Doesn't matter. If pedobears start to think that looking at kiddie porn is something that everyone is doing and that it's no big deal, then it creates a demand that can lead to future children getting exploited.
>>768225146
>asinine
noice.
I've heard Americans say it. It's spread. There's not a lot we can do, unfortunately. We're just getting old. Our dumb slang was fine, but the younger generation's slang is fucking moronic.
>>768224674
In truth, a heck of a lot of the reaction to an incident can be dictated by the tabloid media. A lot of it is swept under the rug with a slapped wrist and a wagged finger. But of the daily Fail wants to make a big deal of it then they're pretty screwed
>>768225319
>heck
Language, u cunt
>>768225200
The demand is already there. Flooding the market with fake cp or cp which didn't involve child exploitation would save children.
>>768225200
If normalfags start to think that looking at normal porn is something that everyone is doing and that it's no big deal, then it creates a demand that can lead to future normies getting exploited.
A non-argument.
>>768225366
The demand will never truly go away, all you can do is keep it to a socially unaccepted minimum. Anything else will just encourage people to whore out their children for sweet cp money
>>768225459
>normalfags making porn
Except it is no big deal because its consenting adults making decisions while in full possession of their faculties. False equivalence
>>768225671
You can create non harmful competition. Forcing an industry underground only prevents it from being regulated because like you said the demand never goes away.
>>768225888
But we could also say that because people will always murder each other, what's the point in outlawing it?
The point is that its not like, say, alcohol consumption, where even most normies were like "fuck you, why should the government care if nobody is getting hurt?" Somebody IS getting hurt when CP is produced.
Loli porn and other substitutes are fine outlets to help people cope with their destructive tendencies, but the conversation should be on finding ways to help pedos manage their urges, just like pyromaniacs have to suppress their urge to start fires, not on accepting it as okay nor as demonizing it as evil, but as something that deserves compassion and medical treatment.
>>768225200
that's only a bad thing because society stigmatizes it. if not for that there would be literally nothing wrong with children doing cp and adults looking at it. it's really messed up because these muh purity faggots don't seem to care that children are harmed and traumatized just so that they can force celibacy on all the other girls. all they want is their qt virgin 16-18 year old waifu who is so inexperienced she'll be impressed with mister tiny dick beta male that she'll stay with him. then they rationalize it by saying it's all about protecting civilization even though they're the ones renting vans and running women over.
So who's going to post something?
>>768226460
Some people are satisfied with loli so loli being easy to get takes a portion of the cp customers.
As for the rest, cg is getting more and more realistic. If we can make realistic enough looking cp that could take a lot more of the market.
>>768226460
>Somebody IS getting hurt when CP is produced
Only if it's exploitatively instigated by an adult. The problem is, the laws on the books now are getting teenagers sent to juvie for sending nudes of themselves to each other. Which is fucking retarded.
Humans are sexual beings. Children are no less exempt from this. Young kids will organically discover that rubbing their genitals feels good with no input from any kind of adult. If kids are capable of consenting and experiment with people their own age, does that mean they're incapable of knowing consent with someone older than they are? Is it exploitative if the child wants sexual contact of their own volition?
The answer is somewhat, my point is it's less black and white than moral abolutists would have you believe. Exploiting children is wrong, child sexuality isn't provided it doesn't arise from exploitation.
>>768226460
Also I agree that some things like murder do have to be outlawed but outlawing something should be a last resort.
>>768226460
I just read your full comment. It seems like we agree.
>>768226460
>Loli porn and other substitutes are fine outlets to help people cope with their destructive tendencies, but the conversation should be on finding ways to help pedos manage their urges
Very much this, but you're going to have a hell of a struggle convincing the torch-bearing daily mail readers that anyone who finds children sexually attractive is nothing other than a deranged deviant who should be hung, drawn and quartered just for having those thoughts.
My father in law is an ex prison officer, with a gay son. He once said that pedophiles are exactly the same as homosexuals, in that you can't change them, it's who they ARE. Pedophilia isn't a perversion, it's a sexual preference, stigmatised by society in the same way homosexuality was 70 years ago
>>768226534
Society stigmatizes it because we have collectively agreed that the safest route to sexual healthiness is for children to move at their own pace and to stick to experimenting with their peers who understand each other better than any adult ever will. There is simply too much of a power imbalance between adults and children for that relationship to blossom into anything but the adult taking what they want and the child struggling to understand their feelings even though the adult told them it was okay.
It's not about controlling women, it's about not systematically training them to be shallow, superficial sluts while they're at an impressionable age. Even with all the controls in place you still get women like this, removing the barriers would only make the problem worse.
>>768226839
I agree that putting 19 year olds on the sexual offender registry for dating 15 year olds is stupid overkill.
>Humans are sexual beings. Children are no less exempt from this.
But their feelings are still raw and need time to develop and mature, otherwise they'll spend the rest of their lives bouncing from one bad relationship to the next trying to make sense of their childhood trauma. Children when left to their own devices will occasionally play with each other, that's to be expected, but it's that learning process which needs to happen, and the best way to make it happen is for the adults to back off and let teenagers be teenagers
>>768220747
Honestly what do you want to talk about but law here ? Everything else is ethics and that's your job to figure out where you draw your own line. The whole thread is about how sound/retarded CP law is.
>>768227181
It is possible to change a culture.
If you make good arguments for what you believe to be true, others will pick them up and share them.
Eventually they spread, and if they are good enough, become part of the culture.
here's a fun experiment to try at home.
Find a full frontal pic of your favorite adult professional porn star, ideally shaved and with small tits.
now open that pic in photoshop and make her tits totally flat, then make her head slightly larger.
Then be amazed as 4chan mods not only ban you for cp but also send your ip to the FBI who will come to your fucking workplace to steal your phone in front of all your coworkers and then go to your house and ransack the fucking place because they can't tell a shitty photoshop from a child.
>>768219429
Fpbp
>>768227402
>and the best way to make it happen is for the adults to back off and let teenagers be teenagers
But backed up with a form of education re: consequences of fucking like rabbits at 14 with no protection
My older sister had her first child aged 17 (UK, so legal), and seeing her ina tiny flat with a boyfriend who didn;t giove a fuck was all the abstinence lesson I needed. Mind you, I had a couple of girlfriends who'd come over on a friday night when my mum was out and we'd basically walk around half naked. I was 14, they were 13. Shit was awesome.
>>768227583
As wonderful as that ideal seems, you're going to be waiting a long time for that to happen. people are easy, the media outlets who want to control them, aren't
>>768227181
>Very much this, but you're going to have a hell of a struggle convincing the torch-bearing daily mail readers that anyone who finds children sexually attractive is nothing other than a deranged deviant who should be hung, drawn and quartered just for having those thoughts.
That swings both ways though, good luck convincing bible-thumping fundamentalists of the nuances of the psychology of pedophiles and that they aren't just the spawn of Satan lusting after their daughters.
But those kinds of people have already made up their minds anyway, and aren't worth trying to change. Better to focus on normies in the bell curve, make arguments founded out of a sense of fairness, and the culture will shift gradually over time. The point should be to make pedos feel like they have outlets and a support network to help them manage their symptoms, rather than making it impossible for them to rent an apartment or find work
>>768227402
>There is simply too much of a power imbalance between adults and children for that relationship to blossom into anything but the adult taking what they want and the child struggling to understand their feelings
That's a very stupid assumption. It's more probable that there will be exploitation but to say it's a 100% guarantee? That is beyond stupid. It's a statement that is so stupid I think you're pushing an agenda while thinking you can ignore logic.
>shallow, superficial sluts
Spotted the incel.
>>768227871
The mainstream media is losing power. Peoples trust in the media is constantly dropping.
>>768227402
/thread material right there.
Even if some CP could be considered acceptable (consent to sex, between teenagers, with permission to upload, etc), there is going to be disgusting stuff involving sexual trafficking and slavery and you can never tell just from the video. It's literally all there is to it from a legal/ethical standpoint.
>>768226929
You're talking out of your ass.
It's not a disease, or, at least, a "mental disease" is as everything human: a myth.
a myth we created and kinda agreed upon, laws, money, political systems, those all are myths.
They don't exist outside of our imaginations.
Pedophilia is a natural thing. It happens we kinda agreed it was wrong.
>>768219173
>implying they haven't been culturally coerced into a hypersexual mindset with jewish tricks
>>768228148
Which is only a goof thing. the problem is the sheeple are now getting their 'news' from social media, and that shit's 100 times worse
>>768228239
I never said it was a desease. Abusing children is wrong. Being sexualy attracted to children is fine.
>>768224514
Since when does that matter?
>>768224749
Just like video games normalize violence and create a violent culture you mean? Retarded argument is retarded
>>768227871
>But backed up with a form of education re: consequences of fucking like rabbits at 14 with no protection
Agreed %100. Sex Education is the single most effective thing we can do to teach children how to handle themselves responsibly in the bedroom. They have to be made aware of all the consequences both physical and emotional, and that when they make the decision to have sex, they have to live with those potential consequences.
The other really effective thing we can do is make it easy for them to get contraception. If they're going to be sneaking behind the adults backs, they can at least have the sense to protect themselves from some of the more severe consequences.
>>768228078
Marriedfag, actually, never really had a problem getting dates, but avoided 1 night stands because of how empty they made me feel the next morning. But there's a real difference between women exploring their sexuality in a safe, responsible manner, and women sleeping with any man who sprinkles attention on them.
And my only agenda is making sure the next generation grows up a little less fucked up than the ones before it. Helping pedos cope with their symptoms while keeping the children safe from exploitation are natural extensions of that
>>768219173
The thing is children are not developed enough for sex on top of it being immoral, it would only hurt the child, they would feel no pleasure from sex
>>768219173
It's against the law because they are underage. That's really all there is to it. You can argue morals all you want but the law is the law. It's also against the terms of service if the streaming service is based in the US or any country that has laws against under-age nudity. It's also against the terms of service of the ISP.
>>768228492
Nobody actually gets hurt playing video games so nobody cares if the demand for them goes up. Why is this so difficult to understand?
>>768225200
>>768228779
Thats why I think cg is the answer. At least when it gets to the point where it looks real. Loli is already a good substitute for a lot of people.
>>768228779
I see, so you'd be fine with 3D loli porn?
>>768219173
It's a blanket law. Majority of the cases that involve minors have in some way shape or form hurt them or has been outright manipulation and coercion of the minor to get them to do things that only an adult could make a good judgmental consent to.
It's like drinking and driving. .08 is just a 'limit' that the law has been placed at. And it's only a criminal offense because of that. But a huge chunk of the population who drives has at some point in their life drank with more than 4 units of alcohol in their system.
But you need to look beyond the .08, it's what could happen if you go above the threshold, the percentage of you dying or someone dying, or what ever goes way up.
>>768229068
>Thats why I think cg is the answer. At least when it gets to the point where it looks real.
What are the ethical implications of representing a real person in this way?
>>768228492
Sexual behavior and violent behavior have such vastly different dynamics that they cannot be directly compared. Video games have a net zero effect on violence, access to porn decreases sexual activity overall.
>>768228528
Your self righteous attitude is sickening and you're also contradicting yourself. So dating is perfectly acceptable? It would follow then that an adult-child relationship in which the adult does not exploit the power imbalance is fine in your book.
>>768228601
>they would feel no pleasure from sex
uhhhh....
dude children love sex. that's not why we forbid them from having it. it's because they become mentally scarred when they grow up and realize what they did is socially unacceptable. or worse yet if the relationship is discovered and their lives get completely turned upside down.
>>768219173
A 13 yrs old asked me to fuck her. She had sex with other guys. So she knows what she suggests. She got to know me because I'm a neighbor and she likes cats and she did babysit my two little rascals a few times.
Seriously, why should I be the one in trouble if I agreed?
(Which I do not for obvious reasons aside her not being my type)
>>768219173
It becomes child pornography when someone screen captures the sexual activity and posts it online for others to view. It's called contributing to the exploitation of a minor. I think possession of child pornography is a bullshit charge though. People should be free to whack off to whatever they want to.
>>768229361
>access to porn decreases sexual activity overall.
Wut. I used to fap 2 times a day every day
>>768229698
slaying that handpussy like a Chad
Better yet, why is cp illegal if government officials think child trafficing is ok
>>768229566
Because she doesn;t have the mental capacity to understand the consequences of her request, and as an adult, it falls on you to make the decision for her
Doesn't matter if she's had sex before. She's just doing something that feels good, so wants to do it again. Masturbation isn;t illegal, but it's a person on their own. When 2 people are involved, it's up to the responsible adult to make sure laws aren't brroken
>>768220329
aside from that her singing was really badass.
>>768229361
So, you're not fine with 3D loli porn because it's sexual activity. What if it's 3D loli murder? Like non sexual but pure violent murder. That would be fine then?
>>768229794
In order to make evidence of their crimes illegal to possess thereby making it several orders of magnitude more difficult to stop them?
>>768229134
it doesn't really matter what I think, people are probably going to make it anyway. If it were up to me, I'd say study the effects of having access to photorealistic loli porn, to ensure that it isn't inspiring pedos to act on their impulses, which I doubt it would.
>>768229361
how is it self righteous to argue that both pedos and their victims deserve compassion?
> So dating is perfectly acceptable?
there are always exceptions to the rule, but the rule of thumb is that peers should date peers
>It would follow then that an adult-child relationship in which the adult does not exploit the power imbalance is fine in your book.
It's literally impossible. Children are always going to be at a disadvantage by the nature of not being fully developed psychologically.
+1 (941) 229-3040
Her number
>>768229698
Probably he means sexual activity with another person, not fapping.
>>768229860
yeah, she was awesome
Because there needs to be a legally definable cutoff.
>>768229972
Yes, but if having sex with someone the day before their 16th bithday is illegal, then so should having sex with them on their birthday before the actual time they were born
Stupid, huh?
>>768229948
Yeah but that would mean more child porn means less child sex, wut again
>>768229890
Not the anon you were talking to, just pointing out that video games are not a valid comparison.
>>768229928
>It's literally impossible.
It would appear we're going in circles. I think I'll just leave you to your mental retardation and bid you good day.
>>768230104
Lol I'd lost track of the discussion.
>>768230221
>It would appear we're going in circles. I think I'll just leave you to your mental retardation and bid you good day
The only one who is getting tripped up here is you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out
>>768229804
By that logic it should also be illegal for her to engage in sexual conduct with anyone her own age as well. It's not impossible to educate children on sex, hence sex ed, something that is desperately needed in schools.
>>768226460
>destructive tendencies
Yeah, until that 5'9" black 16 year old with the C cup and DEM HIPS wakes you up with her straddling her and quietly asks overly aggressively why won't you fuck me, while her 40 year old mother is in the next room.
You barely crawl away with a dick like diamonds, she shoves her foot into your crotch sideways and basically measures your girth and proceeds to perch on all fours at the edge of the bed with her tits exposed in a tank top that is entirely too loose.
You are a beta tool so you explain to her that the teasing is more fun than the actual sex and she is too young.
Later her mother tells you she is actually 12 not 16.
Fuck.
>>768230104
It does; there were several studies done on this. Additionally, there were a few countries in which CP was temporarily legal and child rape decreased as a result.
>>768229804
She is quite levelheaded and intelligent. We had a lot of interesting conversations. Just questioning her "mental capabilities" because of her age is a bit based, anon. I measure a persons maturity on things like understanding sarcasm or irony - something kids can't understand. So she is on par with most adults. I know tons of adults who are less mature. Obviously, the thought of having sex with me rolled a long time around her head.
Well, the point is moot. She is a nice person but doesn't arouse me. I regard her as something like a surrogate daughter and her request was... almost shocking.
My problem with adult-child relationships with really young children is that children look to adults to know what's okay. They have know way of deciding for themselves if somwthing is ok.
>>768225200
kek the monkey spanking his monkey
>>768220153
We do pepsi in every shop that sells coke. Some fast-food chains (I think KFC) use pepsi. I'm pretty sure fucking Wetherspoons use pepsi.
Dumb nigger.
>>768230461
The problem with sharing cp is that doing so is contributing to the public humiliation of the abused child.
>>768230420
why were you there? are you black too?
>>768230461
Replacing cp with alternatives like cg, loli, and dolls is a better option. All of which also reduce child abuse.
>>768231095
Indeed. Hypothetically, sharing cp of someone who is currently an adult and gives consent to it being distributed would be the only way for ethical cp to possibly work.
>>768223322
triplet dubs of the truth
>>768230534
Has based always been an insult? or is that something that happened recently
>>768219173
>wtf happend here??!!??
>>768231327
Sure. I'm fine with that.
Reminder that in order for CP to be removed from existence entirely, pornography in general must be banned. All it does is promote degeneracy. Can't get rid of one without the other.
Really, North/South Korea is right in banning pornography in hindsight,
>>768231826
There will always be a demand for porn. Banning it will only push it underground preventing it from being regulated. People don't become degenerates, people are degenerates by nature.
CP does not exist
Change my mind
>>768231826
If you threaten people enough they'll be degenerates when you're not looking.
>>768228950
ew 4chan is uncut?
>>768232169
Obvious bait.
>>768220383
How the fuck is handwriting better than video?
>>768232169
Nobody cares if you think there's no cp.
>>768232339
(((the legal system)))
>>768224749
You don't know shit about history I see. Must be a millennial
>>768219173
kids that have hit puberty in any way are going to engage in sexual activities, whether its looking at naughty stuff, masturbating, or in some cases, sex. That's inevitable.
Its healthiest for kids who aren't going to be stopped from having sex, with others their own age. An adult can exploit a minor sexually, and very easily emotionally and mentally, whether or not they intend to, with someone who is young and is still learning what sexuality even is. Also, if they are still living under their parent/guardian, that person has a lot of say over what's best for them, and I think you would find overwhelmingly that most would most strongly disprove of having an adult engage in sexual activities with their child.
Its overall a net positive to have these laws. There's more than enough people in this world that mostly no one NEEDS to engage in sexual activities or a relationship with a minor, and that even those who feel they do will have to suck it up, since parents and kids going through puberty suffer more greatly by being exploited and hurt than someone being an incel because they haven't yet learned to properly woo someone of legal age.
>>768221761
>Tantamount to abuse
bullshit
by viewing these photos, what? I warped time and space, returned to the time she took them and abused her. This argument is always a crock.
>>768231826
>All it does is promote degeneracy.
How so?
>>768219173
as long as it's not forced , i don't have any problems. period
>>768232669
I mostly agree. However punishing the children for making cp of themselves doesn't help anyone. So the law would be better if it made exceptions for people distributing cp of themselves.
>>768223677
To add to this: “all the women in the Bible were underage whe they first got pregnant. Just saying
>>768219173
You are gross. 12 is much too old
>>768232920
>exceptions for people distributing cp of themselves.
but then it could be claimed that was all done under coercion.
>>768219173
>implying there are more than ads and dicks on Omegle
>>768219173
and after my lengthy prev. post just bothered to fully rtfa. Kneejerk response.
The issue here is a 12 year old, or any minor for that matter, is in no position to making their own decisions as to whether or not their sexual activities should be broadcast to the world. Sex, sure, but in our society that pretty much ruins your life if it happens. Also, imagine you are the parent of one of these 12 year olds. Do you really want potentially thousands of men masturbating to your kid?
I know it might sound mean, but its true. Kids need to be protected. The brain is underdeveloped at this point, and while it might sound like slavery, but they truly don't know what's best for themselves sometimes. Same can be said for adults but at least adults have by-and-large had ample opportunity to figure it out to some extent. Its the same reason we don't allow kids to drink, join the military, or vote.
I understand there may be exceptions to these statements. But it doesn't matter. If there is an overall net positive, which I truly think there is, you make a law for it. Its not perfectly fair, but nothing in life is or ever could be.
>>768232983
Are you trying to turn this into a religeous debate?
>>768233019
Children should not be punished for being coerced into distributing cp.
>>768233056
>rtfa
whats that mean?
>>768232983
lol no where does it ever state the age of anyone fucking
just saying
>>768233081
It always was a religious thing because the existence of CP is a matter of faith, since nobody can prove its existance, just like god.
>>768233056
Your argument relies on sex, nudity etc being important. It isn't.
Your comparison on children in the military is bad as well
>>768220153
>says there's no Pepsi in britistan
>clearly not a bong
>>768233124
but somone else could be punished for possessing it.
>>768233221
Someone can prove it's existance, they just go to jail if they do.
>>768233378
Sure. Thats how it should be. Unfortunately in a lot of places the children can be punished for distributing their own cp.
>>768233132
Read the fucking OP is what I should have said, which I didn't.
>>768233222
>sex and nudity is not important to me, thus it should not be important to anyone
That's not gonna fly
>>768233222
>comparison on children in the military
I'm not comparing children making porn of themselves to being on the battlefield. I'm saying both are bad choices to make available to a minor
>>768232625
>le wrong generation meme
fuck off, kiddo, you're not impressing anyone on 4chan with that pointless drivel
>>768233222
Sex can be risky. Children look to adults to know whats right. If the adult teaches the child that having sex all the time is ok, the adult is setting the child up for a bad life.
>>768232210
Jew filthy kike detected.
>>768232855
>incest(real or roleplay)
>LGBT shit
>jailbait porn
>>768233710
This. Sex has the potential of pregnancy, STIs, rape, and having your mind, heart and life totally fucked with. I don't know who began spreading the meme that its only casual fun for everyone all the time, but they are really stupid, bad people.
>>768234098
Extremely horny people that do nothing but have sex(probably all they're good for) and have a effect of their brain pretty much.
>>768229480
this.
therapist here, I've had my share of exposure to kids that fucked around. Despite what the media says, most of them turn out fine with a little (and I mean little) bit of counselling for them and their guardians. The complete shit-show that happens is *almost* always caused by 3rd party people digging their noses in.
Physical abuse, and rape in the common law sense aside, most sexual contact is not damaging physically and if society or rather certain busy-bodies were a little more chill, there'd be next to no mental damage.
But the thing to remember is that even with things as apparently out of whack as they are today, any kid that's had a sexual encounter as a child or young teen can and will grow through the social issues relatively quickly with a decent therapist.
Note for any of you trying to deal with things of this nature, or for helping kids you know deal with it. For long term mental health, it is almost always better to go with a male counselor rather than with female ones.
And no I've never exploited any of my patients.
>>768221148
And that there is the biggest crime of all.
>>768235316
> any kid that's had a sexual encounter as a child or young teen can and will grow through the social issues relatively quickly with a decent therapist.
Are therapists generally easily available to families of any income in most countries?
Can someone tell me what am i? I "love" little girls like some more than friends, like a relationship, but no sex-related, i don't like to make them feel disturbed or molested or anything like that. Also im in "love" with a friend's sister (10 yo), and he knows, but we are still good friends
>>768225459
This
Plus with modern day beta males thinking adult women are too difficult to fuck them they feel like younger naive girls will be more likely to say yes
you cant justify your pedo. gtfo
