hey /b/
how many of you own guns?
how many do you own?
why do you own them?
am ausfag having a good ol' THONK about the state of gun violence in america and wanna hear from u guys
I cringe so hard at threads like these, honestly kill yourself if you're not American.
> Here queen, take my guns and fuck me in the ass
How will this give you any data about the state of gun violence? It's 3am here, and owning guns isn't the same as being involved in gun violence. Stop being a fucking idiot.
>>768173738
is that pic from a jail show?
whoops
just curious to hear from the average american abt whats goin on
nvm
>>768173738
State of violence in America is the same as anywhere else.
Crazy people/inbreds kill people for no reason.
People at bottom of the barrel turn to crime, some of it violent.
Extremist groups radicalize people and encourage violence.
Why don't you go ask britfags how their gun/knife ban is going?
>>768173880
>take my butter knife
>>768174410
you guys own half the world's guns, there's smth in america that's just not seen in any other western country in terms of localised violence.
but it's cool, keep ignoring your problems.
>>768174614
Prove that he's American.
>>768173738
1 rifle, hunrting and target shooting
going to buy a handgun soon because I moved to a shit area
>>768174678
just assumed man no hard feelings
>>768174752
cool man
hope u dont have to use it anytime soon
>>768174757
The mark of a total idiot is having to use your imagination to make a point.
>>768174614
Ask all those shit countries with dictators how great it is not owning guns.
More countries with gun bans where the populace is oppressed than not. Shouldn't you be more nervous since the UK is moving that way?
>>but it's cool, keep ignoring the reality of how 75% of the world works
>>768173738
16.
protection/hunting/fun in that order.
>>768173738
Is that Tarantino?
>>768174853
fuck see that's the thing i just don't know what's going on
need a good ol straightfoward explanation from someone who knows the state of the world atm
figured y'all would have something to say about it
>>768175050
you betcha
>>768174853
which countries are they?
>>768173738
>am ausfag having a good ol' THONK about the state of gun violence in america and wanna hear from u guys
No you aren't. You're some kind of data miner.
>>768174614
>there's smth in america that's just not seen in any other western country in terms of localised violence.
Those are called 'black men', and europe is about to see that violence first hand.
>>768173880
this tbh
>>768175199
not quite but nice dubs
>>768175078
Fitting for a thread about gun violence. Guns are good to have around, but I wouldn't use one if I don't have to. Plus it's kind of dumb to willingly disarm yourself, right?
>>768175292
its a scary thought huh
>>768175059
I'm not here to redpill you dude. If you want to believe guns walk around and make moral decisions to murder people, believe as hard as you want. No weirder than thinking a guy came back to life after 3 days or angels buried holy books you can read with 3d glasses or that a just and loving God rewards suicide bombing a school of young unformed kids with 72 virgins.
Otherwise, go look up countries with low gun ownership, countries with despotic govts, and countries with high violence (not just guns). You'll see a lot of the same names intersecting where the rule of law, governance by the people, and declared rights to self defense and property don't exist.
Australia's an aberration, not the norm.
The majority of gun violence in blacks.
In America anyway.
So let's travel across the pond. What seems to be the problem here. Oh there it is. Yep everything seems in order here
>>768175424
that's what i thought.
i guess the thought of even just being armed is weird, because i haven't owned a gun, nor has anyone else i know, so being "disarmed" is just a normal feeling for me?
it just really highlights the difference of mentalities around the world, u know
>>768175638
Your population is getting blacker. You will understand what disarmed means very quickly.
>>768175575
that was something i wasn't super aware of wow. the shootings we hear about over here are always about "the white man" or "the white cop". maybe i need to start watching american news. it's so hard to keep up with everything.
>>768175560
i'm gonna take the time to do that i think... i never thought that we were an exception, rather than the norm.
>>768175638
Yea and I think the best thing people can do is have a dialogue about it really, no matter what they believe.
>>768175830
No don't... It's even worse. Media doesn't cover black crime. Only when white cops kill black. People. I mean this in all seriousness. When you see people on here bitching about jews and the media.... We aren't kidding. There is literally nothing humorous about it. Yes we have gun violence and yes white people lose their shit sometimes. But cities like Chicago and New York and Detroit etc have murders every night, blacks killing blacks and everyone else. The statistics are astounding.
>>768175814
i feel bad about stereotyping black people, you know, but a lot of the stats i see are telling me to be afraid of them. it's so conflicting..
>>768175292
>>768175814
>buh its the blacks
Instead of playing the blame game why don't we think of an ethical, helpful solution?
>>768176057
I literally meant that as a general statement. It has nothing to do with bei g racist. It's based on the numbers. Black population increases and so does crime. It's a hard pill to swallow but it's true.
>>768176056
that's... there's something so unbelievably fucked about that... is there any such thing as a media revolution, i guess? like, revealing to the public how the news is so biased and how things really go down?
i feel like having to look to statistics to understand our world rather than being able to trust those who are meant to inform us is so fucked...
its like you can't trust anything anymore but the raw data.
>>768176098
Okay here's how it goes. We ban guns and take the registered ones. Now the streets are overflowing with only the illegal ones. Not gonna happen. I'm a Texan. "come and take it"
Now let's go farther back. Raising people to not be shit.
We tried that. Funding for fucking days that comes out of my check and I to their gibs me Dat hands. Instead of food or clothing they have another baby.
It's fucking easy to have an safe opinion when you don't have a dog in the fight. But for the rest of us that pay for all this bullshit, we are pretty one sided.
The only solution is for people not blacks, PEOPLE to fucking help themselves and until we end this handout mentality it's not gon a happen
>>768176098
that's the thing, to me, gun laws would be a way to stop such violence.
but then looking at guns per capita, so many violent countries have little to no gun ownership...
it makes me wonder that if guns were banned or restricted in america, would the violence lessen? or would it continue, like in those countries? there's no way to know...
>>768176194
Stats... That's really the only truth in it. I'm all about discussing stats and how to change them but like you said. Raw fucking data. If a white cop kills one black man it's everywhere but the same night 10 black men killed 10 white guys. None of it in the news. So what's the issue here
>>768175830
American news is laughably slanted.
A huge amount of violent crime is committed by black people.
>>The sad thing is, it's committed against other black people.
But all you ever hear about is police brutality, and how cops kill black kids.
There's a lot more to it than that (ofc, they kill within their community that's 90% of violent crime regardless of race, etc) but it's at an inordinate rate, which the "community" refuses to acknowledge.
>>768176385
it's hard huh... it just makes you wonder how people are supposed to help themselves without aid from the government? cos it sounds like there are a lot of struggling people in such a prosperous country money-wise. but then it goes back to how those people manage themselves and that money.
makes me think we need a genocide or smth. hate to be a bummer but u know
>>768173738
a bajillion
to have a bajillion guns
>this guy
>>768173738
I own one working gun.
an 80 year old type 99 Japanese bolt action rifle.
I own it because I appreciate the cultural and historic relevancy.
Also, in a pinch it's at least something to fend off invaders.
>>768176517
now see, THAT'S something that really needs to be heard, that black on black violence is a real issue at hand, because what i find is that they band together at times of protest to call white people out, whereas they're having their own problems in terms of racial tension and violence which they haven't really acknowledged.
the only real instance of a call-out on a viral scale is that recent "this is america" stuff.
>>768176385
It's tricky to change a nation's way of thinking isn't it? I definitely agree with ending the handout mentality (as someone who's stuck in California too of all places).
>>768176388
The gun laws sound nice on paper, but aren't practical in a crazy place like the U.S. Plus, I have a sneaking suspicion that if we banned guns there'd be anarchy all over the country.
>>768176704
hey that actually sounds pretty cool, that's something i can appreciate.
>>768176517
A few black leaders have pointed this out, my favorite was Cyrus tho. That March at central Park where he pointed out the black on black crime has to stop. That was cool
I just find it hard to take them seriously. If black lives matter then fucking make them matter. If you kill eachother why the fuck are you mad when we do it.
I can't word that how I want to. Don't March on us for killing one whe you are basically slaughtering eachother. And so fucking help me God if you ever stand in a road I'm driving on.
I have one gun, a .357 magnum, locked in a high quality fingerprint safe. Just in case, there's been a couple times I was at working or something, my wife got spooked, nice to know it's just right there, whereas cops may be like 8-15 minutes out in my neighborhood.
>>768176057
>>768176502
Realistically ( meaning statistically) black dude isn't gonna be the one to murder you, it'll be the white guy who knows you from church or work 90% of the time (if you're white). Victim/aggressor tends to be within their own community.
Again, doesnt excuse the 40%+ aggregate of violent crimes being done by 13% of the population ( blacks) but they're doing it to themselves
>>768176757
i'm curious about this "handout mentality.." what does it mean? like is there a big epidemic of people living off of welfare?
and also in what way do you find america to be a crazy place?
and you're right about the gun ban, tbh... it would be insanely messy....
>>768176757
Hey I'm in Texas. Something like 22 califags move here a day (to Austin, or little Cali as we call it) try farther south we have some chill places. Also you get a gun when you cross the border.
>>768176860
Nice to know I could off myself whenever too, not that I plan to, just kind of comforting knowing I could, that I have that choice. Every day I wake up I'm choosing to be alive.
Kinda fucked up maybe, but I find it comforting.
>>768176860
that's a fair point. it's hard to think about real people who just want to feel safe when they make gun ownership all about the murder and the violence rather than feeling secure.
>>768176792
this is something that really speaks to me. white people are severely antagonised when black people seem to be equally as responsible.
>>768173738
>$0.00? why??!!!?????
>>768176878
That is totally true. I just mean crime in general I'm not worried about getting shot but I do carry everywhere. I live in a good area but shit happens
>>768176890
Welfare man.... It's easy to get. Unemployment s.n.a.p. Wick welfare food stamps there are so many it would make you puke. And I pay every fucking week. It's easy to get on and hard to get kicked off. Drug testing isn't required which would eject over 76 percent of the receivers. But people just live on it. No desire to get a job they sell foodstamps for drug money all the time it's disgusting and the system is fucked
>>768177071
oH WOULD YOU L O O K A T T H E T I M E
>>768177176
shit man... would you say a welfare reform is in order? it seems to be a worry as well that jobs are hard to get...
>>768176890
Quick US History lesson: Back in 1929 we had the market crash, which started the Great Depression. Unemployment shot up to 25%, and everything sucked. Before then, the government had never had an active role in people's lives. However, when FDR got elected he made a bunch of reforms (like Social Security for one) that gave the people the mentaility of "I can fall back on my government." That kind of thing can be a slippery slope, and cause people to lose incentives to work, which hurts everyone.
America's a crazy place because of how diverse it is, as well as how crazy cities like New York and Chicago can be with crime (seriously check the numbers it's insane).
>>768177337
Nah jobs are everywhere. If anyone wants to work they have zero excuse not to. Our job market is deeeeeheecent right now.
Welfare reform has been needed for years. A few states started requiring drug testing for unemployment and it did really well
I mean the lazy fucks cried but it did work
>>768177447
damn then a drug testing overhaul sounds like the way to go...
it's hard, there's a huge list of things that need to be fixed in the world, how do you even prioritise that shit?
what do you reckon is being prioritised right now in the U.S.?
>>768177447
I'm all for drug testing welfare recipients. Living in some communities, it's probably easy to think int's not real, but I have those neighbors that just smoke meth and deal drugs while living in government paid housing.
Always like 10 cars outside their 3 bedroom house, half of them taken apart. If those crazy fucks would put half the effort into a real job as they do into selling drugs and buying (and presumably, reselling) shitty old cars, they'd have real careers and lives.
>>768177430
Right, law and order the show is basically reality there
>>768177430
Slippery slope is a fallacious argument. There is obviously a need for a social safety net. Pretending there's isn't because certain bad actors take advantage is a terrible and misinformed worldview to have.
Check your privilege and stop shitting on the poor for no reason.
>>768177430
this gives a good insight into why people have lost motivation to work...
i think the sound of a welfare reform sounds like a plan, people need a real kick up the ass to realise that life is about working...
it's hard, because everyone is trying to convince the government that THEIR cause is what needs priority, and it would be hard to make decisions over all the noise...
i get what you mean about the diversity thing, i see that here in aus, i guess its just easier to manage because our population is so small.
>>768177447
>A few states started requiring drug testing for unemployment and it did really well
You mean they made their programs increasingly expensive and kicked almost no one off of them for failing drug tests? What a revelation, it's almost like most of the people on welfare actually need it and drug testing is fucking retarded.
>>768177718
No I actually agree with the need for a safety net! All I'm saying is it has the risk of losing incentive for people.
>why you bully me :c
>>768173738
I own 5, looking to buy another fairly soon. They're a lot of fun to shoot at the range, but I mostly have mine for protecting my home/family.
What we really need to do is decriminalize petty shit like drugs and prostitution, regulate that stuff and don't let it be some untaxable revenue stream for people leaching off the system.
>>768177718
i agree, there is always a place for welfare, because there are some people who simply cannot work...
but i think that some people really need a reality check in terms of the fact that they can't live off of welfare if they have the ability to work, just not the motivation.
depression and drug addiction are sort of valid reasons, but can be treated and *need* to be treated so the mentality about working can change.
do you think drugs plays a big part in the welfare problem?
>>768177925
that's what i was thinking about, the decriminalisation of those sorts of things have really done well in other countries (or so i've heard)
has there been any movement to do such a thing? (apart from with marijuana, which i haven't heard much about lately, so i assume has done well)
>>768177656
We just got one of those kicked out. Section 8 housing. Bigger house than mine. They paid 300 a month. Sold drugs the broken cars etc. Less than a month ago I got annoyed because they were revving motorcycles at 4 am. I'm not a cranky old man I have a bike, I also have a wife. Anyhow. I waited until they had a party one night and there were a shit ton there. And called the cops.
I said I they were arguing and I saw a gun. 4 cop cars rolled up and even one on the Backside of the house and it was like roaches scattering. 4 had open warrants 2 resisted and got arrested one guy bit a cops ear almost got it off. He's in federal for life now. Illegal tequila was found. Which. I didnt know was a thing and now I want it. They had a meth lab inside and three children that all got taken of course.
Yes I saw the cop get his shit bit and yes it was awesome.
>>768177856
Apologies, the "risk of losing incentive" argument is usually trumpeted as baseless fact in the right's crusade to defund the entire government. As I said, slippery slope is a fallacious argument. It's the same argument against gay marriage or legalizing marijuana because "then we'll let people start marrying animals/everyone will start shooting up heroin". It's a bad argument made by moralizing harpies trying to scare people into making emotional decisions about difficult topics.
Yes, the existence of a social safety net might cause some people to abuse it, there's a certain degree of abuse and misuse in all government programs, that's just human nature. That doesn't mean the programs aren't worthwhile and helping struggling people.
>>768177935
For sure. A huge problem people aren't talking about are opioids and perscription drugs. It's such a common thing to get a hold of and the damage it does is really sad to see. My uncle's a mess now because of it.
>>768177925
Agree. I'm no hippie but quit the shit about weed just legalize it christ. Prostitution too. Who fucking cares
>>768178140
Dumb shit you made me think of. CVS quit selling cigarettes because they want people to be healthy but them cunts sell prescription pills. I know it's stupid but come the fuck on man. You are killing people and ruining lives every day SELL ME A PACK OF SMOKES YOU PIOUS FUCKS
>>768178121
I accept the apology :) It's hard for me to get my entire points across since I'm a bit tired
>>768178140
that really sucks man, i'm sorry to hear that....
i do have a question... do you reckon that the american medication companies secretly endorse the abuse of drugs by providing so much so openly? i've heard so much about this "big pharma" or whatever... is this sort of corruption a real thing?
>>768176761
Its amazing that it still works honestly.
These rifles are actually some of the best to come out of WW2
>>768178266
lmao this is kind of a good point like what's the difference between killing yourself on your own admission or your doctors. guess they don't want to admit to the havoc they're causing in the health of the nation
>>768178286
Completely. But a lot of the pill pushers are limiting sales now so the middle men have stepped up or at least made an attempt.
>>768178286
It's only a theory, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was true. And thanks he was a nice guy too
>>768178436
that's what i like to hear.
it feels like an overwhelming thought, having to reform so much to make a change in society.
but i guess i'm not the president so lucky huh
>>768178406
I'm still pissed about that. I won't shop their out of spite now. I buy my wife's "nighttime knockout juice" ingredients at Walgreens now
/b/ros its time for dinner over here, but thanks for the chat, i feel like i've really got a lot to think about and research now...
i like this place, i think i'll come back soon. i've never had a nice conversation like this before with so many knowledgeable people.
i hope y'all rest up good
>>768178600
I never caught where you were from?
>>768178649
He's an aussie I think
Good chat lads!
>>768173738
I own 3 rifles (.22 lever, .234 and .300 win mag)
Hunting and comp shooting and because fun
Ausfag btw. We aren't exactly gun-free. We still have 1/4 of the gun ownership rate of the us (like 25 guns per 100 people)
GUNS ARENT THE PROBLEM. PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM.
>>768178997
>PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM
exactly, gun owners are the problem
>>768173880
Been an American for 6 months. It's great!
>>768179116
You're a fucken muppet
Hi from Pennsylvania USA .
It's one of the 13 original colonies .
Nicknamed the " keystone State " for it's
importance in early America .
My family has been here since before the American Revolution .
I probably own 30 + firearms of many types .
Firearms are part of our heritage .
The bulk of modern crime involving firearms happens FAR away from me and mine . It's mostly in the cities . Mostly minorities and
illegal immigrants .
I'm more likely to use a firearm to defend myself or family from wildlife then from violent criminals
It's mostly overblown bullshit .
In a nation of over 300 million ,less then 300 die a year from rifles ,of which 3% are semi-autos .
Meanwhile 45,000 a year die directly from opiates and the media doesn't care .
Probably twice that many or more die indirectly
from opiate use . ( Druggies hitting people with cars ETC .)
The whole anti-gun movement is media driven .