Why do poor people vote against their own interests?
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Why do poor people vote against their own interests?
Stupidity mostly.
They fall for Republican lies.
Social drift means that poor people tend to have a higher proportion of stupid people, mental illness, substance abuse issues. Their stupidity makes them easily led by politicians.
No matter who you vote for, you're voting against your interests.. unless you pay absolutely no attention to what the politicians are saying and only vote along party lines. There is no such thing as a political candidate who does nothing but support your interests. Doesn't matter if you're red or blue.
>>768156986
>>768157180
Why do niggers vote against their own interests?
Stupid mostly.
They fall for Democrat lies.
>>768156986
The experts on that topic are black Democrats, but you won't find any of them here.
>>768156986
Why does anyone think that politicians care about anyone's interests except their own?
>>768156986
Trump had the overwhelming majority of votes from those without a college degree.
They're ignorant, plain and simple. >>768156986
>>768157273
Yo Cleetus, we get it, you don't like black people. Why don't you just go back to fucking your sister.
>>768157558
Overwhelming majority of votes from those without a college degree WHO WERE WHITE. If you look at any other race, it's the exact opposite. So why point at one as if it supports your agenda when the other can be pointed at to disprove your theory?
>>768157786
You mad white boi?
How does it feel to get compared to an uneducated nigger?
>>768157180
That's a weird way to spell 'democrat'
>>768158048
It's almost like the whites ignore the lies from the left while the niggers don't. If this shocks you, you haven't been paying attention. Remember when blacks voted republican? Do you know why they stopped? Here's a hint: free shit.
>>768156986
Let's correct the text at least.
>My good job was shipped to China because my union drove up the cost off labor so high it's literally less expensive to have 3rd rate work shipped around the fucking world and refund at high rate over poor quality, than it is to pay our demanded rate.
>My new job has no retirement plan because I'm not a fucking moron who trusts others to handle his most important financial planning of my life. And the health insurance is pretty good because the only people who have jobs and no insurance are worthless people who work at McDonald's.
>I vote Republican because social security is a sinking ship, and Medicare is for worked their whole lives without planning for shit and they deserve to get fucked. I'm a grown man and I'll handle my own affairs.
>>768156986
This is literally the most stupid thing I have ever read.
>>768156986
Not all people vote based on how much handouts they are promised.
>>768157273
Minus the niggers part... blacks do vote against their long term interests by voting Democrat.
>>768156986
America will prosper until the day the politicians figure out that they can bribe the electorate with their own money.
>>768158287
That major shift happened in the 1930s during the Great Depression. Because Herbert Hoover and the rest of the Republicans just favored monopolies and anyone who could buy and sell them, Roosevelt won the election of 1932. Instead of doing nothing, Roosevelt offered an actual solution and it worked. That's why blacks vote Democrat.
>>768157633
why do assume that only whitey hates blacks? As a mexican I also hate black.
>>768158570
The saddest thing is that you don't understand how stupid you are.
>>768158914
Please explain how.
>>768159093
Incorrect. Blacks vote Democrat because of the civil rights bill. All the inbred Republicans you bitch about used to be Democrats before LBJ signed the bill and handed the south to Republicans for the next century at least.
>>768159228
why is that always a alt-left rebuttal?
>>768156986
hi retard. poor people always do better under republicans. have you done even the slightest bit of research besides be a paid soros shill?
>>768159421
Because they cant argue a point. All they can do is name call and run for a safe space.
>>768159421
Because it's so often true
>>768156986
If either party has my interests in mind why not just present that instead of hiring shills to slander the opposition?
>>768156986
The middle/low class have no representation in Congress (dem or rep). Only ultra rich and big company have any real say in what is to happen. Rich dad poor dad author has explained this in great detail
>>768159402
You're forgetting the Evangelicals who were effectively a-political until Roe Vs. Wade. Then they convinced religious people (People predisposed to be dogmatic) that Democrats are all blood thirsty baby killers.
>>768156986
the stupid ones are the ones who believe that either party is better than the other
>>768156986
Because when the common man put their faith in the liberals (Obama) it failed them.Obama didn't live up to their expectations, and he didn't deliver on what he promised. Trump acts as a change for real people. Saying that people voted against their own interests as you claim just shows what a slap in the face the previous presidency was.
>>768156986
because poor people arent stupid
voting only in the interests of poor people will collapse a country
so even though they are poor they know it is still better than turning into a nigger world like africa
>>768156986
I love this meme
Democrats think blue collar workers are stupid.
>>768159670
Everyone liked to make a big deal about the political power of evangelicals until they were no shows for the last three elections.
>>768159933
blue collar workers ARE stupid, given that they actually believe shit like that dumbass propaganda meme you just posted.
>>768159933
duh, thats why they elected trump
>>768159933
I bet this was made by a neet who contributes zero to society.
>>768160174
I work in IT, but live in AZ and aside from some of the numbers being estimations, that shit is exactly what happens here. Several of the families in my neighborhood are illegals. The fathers and older sons do construction or landscaping and somehow drive $40,000 trucks and SUVs while paying rent for 5 bedroom houses and feeding 6 kids
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>>768160555
A valid argument contributes far more than name calling.
>>768160174
>being so ignorant you believe your emotions over reality
i'm sure your parents have more tide packets hidden away somewhere that you could be eating right now
>>768159670
I don’t think they are wrong in that belief and from a practicing Christian’s view of the world I could see them being very offended. There has never been so much Blood for moloch/Baal
>>768160555
checked, and agree
it is still a sad fact. Of course not every illegal immigrant is like that, but we get eight hundred thousand illegal immigrants every year.
It is a fact that they are a net negative. It is a fact that they will be a majority in fifty years and it is also a fact that blue collar voters will vote for whoever talks about stopping this bullshit
>>768160174
Well what's your counter argument? You can't expect us to take you seriously if all you have is "hur dur dur they're stupid"
>>768156986
75% of ppl take the Standard Deduction instead of itemizing their tax returns. The SD has now doubled under the Trump tax cuts.
How is this not a win for (mostly the lower 3/4 of Americans)?
>>768157786
Are there some stats for this online somewhere? I've actually never heard this before and now I'm curious.
>>768159527
That's cute, dipshit.
>>768158570
"Welp. I've never been in a union, but let me tell you how they're fucking up America. Give me one second while I fill up my vape pen."
>>768161353
98% of black voters always vote democrat
70% of latino voters always vote democrat
That should explain things well enough
>>768160752
this
i live right of the I17 and 101 and i see this shit everywhere. even though many of them are great people, illigals are not beneficial to our country or communities, they are a drain and a burden.
>>768161353
>asking for a source on a mongolian cottage cheese forum
>>768159933
John wouldn't pay anywhere near 30% taxes when filing married with two children at $52k, and his income would qualify his family for subsidies under the Affordable Care Act which would pay for the majority of a Silver level plan and would fully pay for a $600 a month premium, which is more of a Bronze tier plan.
>>768160138
>forgetting the last 3 elections were basically no-win scenarios on their part
2008
>choice consists of black democrat or thot VP
2012
>choice consists of black democrat or Mormon
2016
>choice consists of female democrat or lecherous "two Corinthians" adulterer
>>768161700
Are there any hard numbers somewhere that show he got the majority of non-white college educated voters? I'd like to believe you but I want to see an actual source of this.
I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm genuinely curious.
>>768157190
And the increase in global connectivity through the internet means they can form large, synergistic communities of stupid people. As opposed to before, when their stupidity would be dampened in their local communities before it could spread.
Plus, with the aforementioned rise in connectivity, we're more aware of idiots now. They have a voice and a stage. Perhaps a bit of what we see as a ride in stupid people is really a rise in our awareness of the stupid people who were there all along.
>>768156986
>implying democrates care about white people, or can make better economical policies than Republicans
>>768156986
The better question is why even vote? If you dont like either candidates and you feel neither of them have the peoples best interests in mind then why would you vote saying "Hey this is who I want, I want this person to lead me".
Its like seeing a shitty movie trailer and you waste your money and buy the ticket anyway knowing full well its going to be a bad movie.
>>768157229
you really have no clue don't you. this isn't about you. this is about society.
>>768161571
>"Welp. I've never been in a union, but let me tell you how they're fucking up America.
I "thankfully" haven't been either, but worked along side a union.
They use every good worker to protect the scumbags who are lazy, steal from the company, and other workers, call in sick most Mondays and Fridays, and are just there to collect a paycheck.
I fucking hate unions.
>>768162685
stay mad fuckboi
>>768159093
>Roosevelt offered an actual solution and it worked.
>Nine years of flailing with feel-good social programs until a war economy finally put everybody back to work or shipped them off to die.
That progressives actually believe that Roosevelt saved us from the Great Depression is wonderfully dissonant.
>>768159933
stopped at the guy paying 30% tax rate. whoever made this has never held a job or paid bills
>>768160768
>B-B-B-BUT BASED MAGAMAN IS A LE PATRIOT PLAYING 4D CHESS TO DRAIN DA DEEP SWAMP! (with a little help from goldman sachs, the military industrial complex, the bush neocons, the bilionaire jewish donors, and of course israel, ehehehehe.....A great cabinet of patriots!)
>>768156986
BECAUSE FUCK LIBERALS
>>768156986
Because they vote Democrat
>>768163102
Agreed, though I pay around that much in state and federal taxes. I make more than 52k though.
>>768159421
>>768162859
I like the part where you kick Clinton’s numbers out of that chart and it goes to shit. You know, Clinton:
>bowed to the Republican Congress’s Contract With America
>Passed the Defense of Marriage Act denying gay marriage
>Campiagned on stopping illegal immigration
>Passed tax cuts
>got us into nationbuilding with the military in Somalia and bombed random African countries without authorization
>Signed welfare reform into law that required receipients to work for benefits
>signed NAFTA to open up free trade
You remember Clinton, that guy who used a Republican economic and social platform and was strong-armed by a Republican Congress to adopt fiscal and economic policies that created prosperity and balance the budget. I think some of you think he was a Democrat.
>>768158570
if you are against unions you really have no fucking clue what is going on.
any job that doesn't offer you a retirement plan is fucking trash.
being able to live and have treatment for disease and injuries for free or at least for a cheap price should be a basic human right by now.
why are you so offend by people having access to really basic shit like job security, retirement plans, and health insurance?
your mentality is completely fucked. I'm guessing you weren't really a part of anything worth while that built strong social relationships when you were young.
Kind of explains why you are the political equivalent of an aggressive loner.
you are pretty simple minded, obviously not much consideration for anyone else. Very obsessed with the little status you have, believing that because you can afford all those things that anyone who cant is less important than you. Sad
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>>768161870
The amount of taxes paid by john are state dependent, and they can go quite high.
Let's make it real, in california it is 20% that still sucks ass for John.
>>768163749
>>768162856
You were working next to a bad union. Good unions do NOT protect those problem workers.
>>768156986
Look at all them Democrat run cities that are doing so well. Like Detroit, Chicago, LA, etc.
>>768163460
>b-b-b-but Clinton wasn't a regressive leftist so he wasn't a *real* Democrat
>>768163840
California doesn't go higher than 13.3%
>>768163950
Nice meme you loner
>>768156986
Men don't want money. They want function. Money is nice, but what they really want is an adequate exchange of work vs reward.
Men that vote Republican don't like social programs because they feel like they aren't earning them. They feel like beggars receiving charity that they wouldn't need if only they were given the opportunity to be fulfilled through their function. That they NEED the charity of other people or programs to survive is anathema to their identity as "providers."
So instead of reinforcing social programs, they would much rather move in the direction of making their current work opportunities more fulfilling. They don't want minimum wage raised, they want more jobs that aren't minimum wage.
>>768163840
Except you have deductions for things like having children. Nobody making $50k with a family of four pays a 30% effective rate.
>>768164049
Did you take a look at the attached image?
federal 4.3k, state 1.7k, social security 3.1k, medicare 700. Total 10k of the 50k John makes, 20%
Jose pays none of that most of the time
>>768164249
>they really want is an adequate exchange of work vs reward
That is fucking retarded and you god damned know it. You're telling me you're gonna' turn down someone willing to pay you twice as much for the same work? Shut the fuck up you idiot. You cuckservatives will talk your way around fucking anything.
>>768164292
My bad. I thought you meant just the tax itself. Yeah medicare/medicaid fucks us in the ass.
>>768164510
Did you stop reading right after the first sentence?
>>768156986
Because a stupid populace is what conservatives need to stay in power as they have been doing. They learn all their "information" from Fox News.
>>768164510
They won't turn it down, but they won't be that much happier for it.
Money is not the same thing as happiness. Which is why assholes making $200,000 per year aren't any happier than people busting ass to make $50,000 per year. Because the jobs that typically pay $200,000 are either at the extremes of stress - extremely high mental stress (offset by the security that comes with the money) but extremely low physical stress (offset by the desire for more fulfilling function), whereas jobs that pay $50,000 per year tend to have low mental stress (offset by lack of income security), and high physical stress (offset by fulfilling labor).
Giving that $200,000 guy a job that involves exertion would make him happier, and giving the guy that makes $50,000 more money would make him happier, but not by much. Happiness has a hard limit, and while money contributes to it, it'll still cap pretty quickly.
>>768164283
True, having dependents help.
With two kids our New Yorker john now gets to take home 42k of the 50 he makes. 16% tax rate.
his family plan insurance instead of single will make up the difference though. Not looking great
>>768164045
That's a nifty chart of the DOW you have. Looks really cool and supportive of Obama but with literally any context or understanding of the markets.....its not good. Bounce back of the 2008 financial crisis and stalling recovery that ended with a 2 year consolidation period. It would be nice to find one liberal who understands economics in my lifetime.
>>768156986
Because poor people understand the impossibility of buying shit with money that doesn't exist.
>>768164920
>Obama was a nigger President
come on, just say it and get it over with
>>768164920
>claims to understand economics
>supports a President with 5 bankruptcies and a host of failed businesses
>>768159323
not him, but because of the way welfare is designed, it incentivizes the poor (which black ppl are poorer per capita) to stay on welfare instead of moving into middle/upper middle class.
>>768164510
What dont you get here? If its you aspiration to be able to say "i work at KFC but i make 30$ minimum wage" then good for you. id rather earn less and have a more fulfilling job / that gives me more opportunity's in the future.
>>768164838
That's a novel way of defending the insane wage gap in our country, anon.
>>768162379
you need to go back and read the original post
>Overwhelming majority of votes from those without a college degree WHO WERE WHITE. If you look at any other race, it's the exact opposite.
He is trying to say that white men without a college degree voted for trump, but non white men without a college degree voted hillary
>>768164045
I thought Democrats protected the middle class, and didn’t play second fiddle with wall street fatcats?
>>768165185
Bullshit. They stay on welfare because they have kids and the jobs that are avaliable suck.
>>768165152
>doesn’t know what bankrupcy is
>has never even attemptted to run a business in their life
>trying to use these talking points against a TrumpTard
>>768159122
whoooaaaaaaaaahhh stay in your laaaane illegales! :> <3
>>768165166
It means rather than throw money at them in the vain hope that they won't create nukes, we'll either cripple them economically to the point where their government collapses or we'll negotiate from a position of advantage and demand something in return for the lifting of the sanctions.
>>768165437
that's the whole point you idiot. If you don't work and get experience you cant move up in the world.
>>768165506
Trump had 5 bankruptcies where he screwed his investors.
You're OK with a President running a country like this.
>>768164853
If John isn't getting health insurance through work he can get it on the market place for a low cost because his family would qualify for a subsidy.
>>768165562
Yes, blame the victims for the private sector not having a wide variety of living wage jobs for everyone.
>>768156986
Same reason the tards buy lottery tickets.
Because when they vote they get to feel like a rich fag.
>>768165665
if everyone is a victim then nothing will get done. its called effort, if you put a little into life you will get something out
>>768165562
If you're a mom with 2 or 3 kids here's a thought--you might not want to "move up in the world," you just want a job where you can take care of your kids.
>>768165776
No it's called bullshit, and you're talking it.
>>768165581
No, 5 of Trump’s Hotels went bankrupt
And if you think:-
1. He personally managers the finances of each indepdently owned hotel
>you need to kys
2. If you think he is anyhing OTHER than a boardmember or chairman of the Trump conglomerate
>you need to kys
3. If you think Bankruptcy is anything OTHER than bad credit for 7 years and going into court ordered debt agreements with your creditors
>you need to kys
>>768165286
I don't deny that there has to be some kind of redistribution, but
A) That redistribution would utterly fail in the form of a universal basic income,
B) Simply taxing it out of the rich will just get it caught up in government circles where it won't help anyone,
and C) Forcing companies to provide beyond the market's normal dynamics will have social and economic consequences, and asking the government to either absorb those consequences or to force the companies to absorb those consequences is a system that is doomed to fail, because neither would be able to withstand the strain. Either the government would spiral out of control with debt, and create more restrictive and totalitarian laws (killing innovation and expansion), or companies would all basically become pyramid schemes that will be designed to extract as much as possible from the most amount of people in the shortest amount of time, which drastically reduces the window of opportunity for competition or the provision of stable and consistent services.
>>768165776
This isn't the fucking Dark Ages. While you're blaming the victims for not being bootstrappy enough for you, corporations are throwing around hundreds of billions of dollars.
>>768165809
and the data shows that the #1 cause of people going to prison is not having a father. The concept of an incentive completely escapes you people
>>768165946
Holy crap you're really defending that idiot who can't even manage his fucking money.
You want Trump to declare bankruptcy on the US, don't you? You think it's a way out.
Fuck you.
>>768156986
Actually democrats are the ones that ship jobs overseas. Also are we supposed to ignore Bengazi (and everything else she did lol) and just vote for Hillary because shes a "womyn" and "looks" like a president...Because that seems pretty retarded to me.
Because Hillary was the best choice in that election.
>>768165539
>throw money at them
The oil embargo and trade sanctions were lifted and $100B in Iranian foreign bank accounts were unfrozen. That's money that was already Iranian to begin with and they became able to access again. We didn't pay them to not develop nukes.
>>768156986
So he votes Democrat, and instead of his job being shipped to China the Chinese are shipped here and he still has to compete with third world labor.
>>768165985
What else are you gonna whitesplain for the rest of us, anon?
>>768166026
You’re cute
>>768156986
they're not, they're voting in favour of preserving the empire
>>768166032
>Actually democrats are the ones that ship jobs overseas.
hahahaha no
>Benghazi
OK you're a retard
>>768166026
It technically is, and wouldn't even hurt us that much if we cut back on the global trade and focused a little more on isolationism.
It's a viable option, that would really only hurt the very very rich. So it's right up the Socialist alley.
>>768165963
2 different subjects friendo. If you want to create more equalitly go ahead and raise capital gains taxes, but by giving handouts to the poor under the sole condition that they are poor (as apposed to giving welfare to people who are trying to work hard) you are keeping them poor in the long run.
>>768166121
No u, really. You claim to know all about "economics" and yet you defend a man who bilked his investors and declared bankruptcy AT LEAST 5 times.
You're literally a useful idiot, anon.
>>768166185
>isolationism.
fuck you alt-right dipshits are fucking paranoid about everything
lol
>>768166116
you gotta be a little more subtle when you're pretending to be retarded.
>>768156986
>Why do poor people vote against their own interests?
because there is no way to vote for them
>>768166188
>friendo
ok grampa
I'll turn on Fox News while you make the gravy for the turkey. Dinner's in 10 minutes.
>>768156986
>implying both sides aren't emotionally charged manchildren who vote against all their own interests just to spite the other """tribe"""
>>768166188
You literally have no idea of what it means to be poor or what poor people go through.
Chop your own cock off. Now.
>>768166280
there is a way. basic comprehension tests. Everyone with an iq under 100 cant vote
>>768166277
You're pretty retarded speaking for people who aren't you.
Just say "nigger" and get it over with.
>>768166320
Leaving the actual labor to the older generation, as always.
Lazy kids.
This is why IDs are nice. OP is clearly having a lot of fun trolling anyone who isnt an extreme lefty
>>768162022
Well for people who believe every abortion is murder. There's a clear win to be had. Obama put 3 judges in the supreme court.
>>768166116
Tumblr is that way.
>>768165660
That is a great point! John can certainly qualify for subsidies
He will only need to pay 4k a year for a silver plan health insurance.
This health insurance comes with a 6k out of pocket deductible, John is screwed.
Juan pays 0$ and gets free healthcare with no deductible
>>768166624
triggered this hard
say it:
NIGGER
NIGGER
NIGGER
NIGGER
>>768156986
You fucking greedy bitches don't understand that we don't vote for ourselves like you faggots do. There's more to life and liberty than trying to vote yourself free stuff all the time.
>>768166591
It's pretty easy, because it's true. Poor people vote for Republitards instead of someone who could help them in the long run.
>>768166708
I really appreciate that you're trying to fight him with logic and actual numbers and charts, undercutting his points at literally every turn, and thereby proving that the Democrat way of doing things figuratively sucks enormous amounts of cock.
But you know it's not going to change his mind.
>>768166881
They don't want to be helped by someone. They can help themselves.
>>768166600
Trump was a clear win for Evangelicals, they just don't like to admit that their moral outrage is all bullshit. It's no big secret that Pence was going to play a large role in the policy direction of the administration because Trump doesn't really care about things that don't directly affect him and the entire campaign was just a publicity stunt gone awry. Pence was on the extreme right among congress when he was there, and he really believes Jesus talks to him. In exchange for their vote, Evangelicals got plenty of judges, and not just on the supreme court, but record numbers of federal judges whose appointments had been held over by Republican obstruction during the Obama administration. Trump doesn't give a fuck about judges, so he'll just rubber stamp whomever gets picked by other people. They also voted Trump because they believe he'll give Jerusalem back to the Jews so that the Rapture can come, and I'm not even joking here. They voted for the living embodiment of everything they claimed to rail against because in the end, Evangelicals are just as transactional as everybody else.
>>768156986
Op is a faggot
>>768158570
It's going to suck when mommy stops paying your bills. You'll probably die or end up sucking dicks for change.
>>768163749
Sure any job the doesn't offer a retirement plan is trash. But if you use it you're a fucking moron. Invest in your own retirement plan, start early. Not only will you beat any pension payout, you wont risk some union boss stealing your money, or a corporation losing it in the next recession. In a union you don't have a choice. The vast majority of unions exist to keep unions going. That means getting more pay for workers every time a contract is up. That's how they ran the steel industry into the ground, and why they only prosper in the public sector where state or federal budgets don't have to make sense.
The government and the unions cant save the world. And you deserve to lose everything if you trust them with your money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxWBXOZ9PM
>>768157786
False
>>768165946
>forgetting those "hotels" were actually casinos
>forgetting Trump was directly at fault for the failure of the Taj Mahal
>forgetting how badly you have to fuck up to have all your casinos go bankrupt because you chose to personally manage one project
>>768167230
I don't see the problem?
>>768166986
I am not trying to change his mind, like you say he is either too far gone or crooked.
Lots of people on this thread who don't realize that every year we get 800k people who are a net negative to this country. At some point we are going to break
>>768167418
A balance has to be found, where the workers aren't getting bent over and assfucked by the company, but the workers are actually WORKING.
Union workers are some of the laziest motherfuckers I've ever seen.
>>768167418
>401(k) match is literally free money
>if you use it you're a fucking moron
>>768157558
>go to college or your ignorant
This is why democrats will never get the blue collar vote again
>>768167543
You wouldn't
>>768165085
His race doesn't matter. Any Democrat would have fucked up the recovery the same as he did. Where'd that trillion dollar stimulus go by the way? Now we have reporters going ape shit over office furniture in the EPA yet Obama and the rest of the Democrats made a trillion dollars vanish and no one cares.
>>768159933
>muhhh diversity quota and affirmative action
the real world doesn't work that way and anyone qualified enough in an industry in demand will find a job. if you look at tech giants, for example, sure they try to be more diverse, but ultimately they look all over the world for the best programmers, the best marketers, the best managers etc. to remain the best and unconquerable. that's why you have a lot of indians, asians, latin americans as well as whites at the highest tiers as executives and such, not just programmers. the meritocracy is always there, stop begging for shit-tier "jobs" that will be automated in 10-20 years anyway and upgrade your skills as well as your vision for yourself. you all whine about free handouts? stop expecting the gubbamint to provide you with free menial jawbs and also maintain muh free market at the same time, look higher, be better.
>>768167345
That's literally what's happening though
>>768167543
wew lad
>>768167695
Too bad it's only the vote they care about. Otherwise, nobody would care about blue-collar workers. Get rekt, son.
>>768167760
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-stimulus-program-was-a-smashing-success-it-erased-most-middle-class-income-losses-in-the-recession/
>>768162859
Lol. Giving credit to democrats when all they were doing is riding the wave after they took power from republicans.
Republicans fix economy
Democrats ruin it
Republicans fix economy
Democrats ruin in
...
8.25/hr, 40-60 hours a week, 13k a year.
>>768167813
Literally the opposite of what's happening.
>>768167940
>Republicans fix economy
Just like in Kansas.
>>768167442
Jordan peterson's a faggot.
>>768167940
>Republicans ruin economy
>Democrats fix it
>Republicans ruin economy
>Democrats fix it
FTFY
>>768165963
I love how people like you toss around the word bootstrap sarcastly as your only means to dismiss the fact that on the end a person is responsible for their own choices and the rest of us are not obligated to subsidize people's mistakes in life.
>>768167970
uh, do you literally not see who is in the white house retard
>>768164045
Lol implying the economy gradually getting better after a crash is due to obama. Nice. He did reward the bankers who caused it with billions in tax payer money tho.
>>768167300
You're the fourth person to throw insults at this post while proving you cant dispute any of it.
>>768168411
And that's obviously very important for you.
>>768167230
>Feuerstein
Hmmmmmm...
>>768167940
how's the trickle down economics working for you?
>>768167690
Great let's take our 401k match with an average return of 6 percent a year. Over investing privately with an average return of 17 percent a year. Even if you had a 100 percent match you're still making less than if you did it on your own. And that's why you a fucking Hillary cuck looking for a hand out.
>>768167926
Based on CBO estimates. Stopped reading right there.
CBOs numbers would be more accurate if they just went to a tarot card reader for results.
>>768156986
OP I have poli sci answer. This meme refers to them voting against their *economic* interest, not their interests in summation.
Say you're poor, but you're also anti-abortion. If you value anti-abortion more than economic change, then you'll go red regardless.
Essentially people have competing values/interests. They have to weigh those in summation to make a choice, so economic issues are only one component.
also republicans in poverty are stupid
>>768166881
Thats the difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives dont thing it the government s job to help people.
Where as liberals are all babies who think its the governments job to breast feed everyone off the government teet. So suck it up you little bitch.
>>768168661
>17% annual return
Yes, that's definitely a realistic expectation.
>>768166761
>doesnt debate point
>instead insults character
Classy as always faggot
>>768156986
>Why do poor people vote against their own interests?
You have to draw a distinction between working poor and leeches.
There's a finite supply of everything and it doesn't *just* cost taxpayer money to give people food/rent/college subsidies. It also drives up the price hugely for the people who actually have to pay for these things. It's why college is unaffordable and rent/food is unaffordable in Cali and New York. The market is hugely distorted by all the people who get goods/services either free or highly subsidized.
So handout culture makes the working poor POORER at the expense of the leeches. You could argue that taxes don't hit the working poor very hard and it's true. BUT the jacked up cost of rent/food hit the working poor very hard and if 50% of society is on some form of government aid it can destroy the economics of basic things very fast.
I disagree with the Republicans about 60% on most issues. I disagree with the democrats about 95%. There's a scarcity of all goods and services, nothing is infinite.... so if you create an infinite demand by giving it to everyone for free, no one will get anything. This is econ 101.
The idea of everyone getting a free ride is great until you see that it means nothing is produced and everyone starves, which is the reality of socialism every time it's attempted.
Certain places like Sweden were able to do it for a while because everyone worked and most Swedes wanted to contribute to the world. But the equation breaks fully when you get a large minority that simply wants to live off the dole (in America it's niggers, and in Europe it's the Arabs).... and that's how it always works. When word gets to the poor that a particular area is generous with the welfare, they all move there and it breaks the economy (think California).
>>768166708
>how many children use tobacco
lol
>>768168601
If youre retarded im sure it doesnt work. But in actuality it works fine.
>>768168845
go fuck yourself the CBO does great work. your retarded right wing propaganda networks bash it constantly for political gain. It is a well sourced and generally accurate. Please pop all of your step mother's zylenex and put a bullet in your brain for good measure
>>768168601
How are those tax-based subsidies working out for anyone?
Trickle down doesn't work, because it gets caught in currents within certain income levels. So hyper-wealthy expenditures remain in hyper-wealthy hands.
But government subsidies don't do shit, and just make people dependent on the teet of the government. Which makes them continually vote in weak people that believe that charity and empathy are more important than responsibility and hard work. Government subsidies are just bribes for more votes, and don't actually solve the problem of poverty because it doesn't create any individual opportunity.
Sure, those poor bastards get to eat, but that's all they'll EVER have. The basics. Whereas if the billions of dollars in tax money that goes to social programs was instead kept within the companies and individuals that money was initially taken from, then it could be used by companies to expand and create more job opportunities, or by individuals to start their own businesses.
And crucially, people wouldn't be living better than hardworking people specifically because they were useless pieces of shit, and then Republicans would stop bitching about welfare.
>>768156986
Social security is a pyramid scheme and needs to be cut. Medicare can stay but we need to implement some limitations and actually require a little bit of effort from our fat fucking population for it to be sustainable.
>>768168921
>"minorities are taking my jerbs and i'm too stupid to upgrade my skills/portfolio/education beyond bohemian basket weaving to do better! help me government!"
>>768169097
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth_data/tobacco_use/index.htm
The answer to that question isn't zero.
>>768168938
It honestly is, with a minimum investment and an actual fiduciary.
>>768168141
Yes. It's antifa crying for police while being anti police/authoritarian.
>>768168921
>>768168999
>forgetting rural red states take the most in welfare
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#red-vs-blue
>>768169302
>>768169174
Overwhelmingly artistic or crafts-based sources of income are held by progressives, which tend to vote democrat.
>>768159544
Dude we're on 4chan
>>768169129
Fuck social programs, they only enable losers to continue to do nothing and live off of the system. There is an issue within the community not just with blacks/whites/mexicans but the system as a whole provides more to a single mother than if the father stays. This encourages single motherhood and will bring on a wave of disparity like we have not seen yet, and will continue to get worse as time goes on.
Cut the social programs, cut the bleeding of money. lower taxes and let people sort it out themeselves. People WILL flounder, and others will prosper if they are willing.
There is no guarantee with life, there should be no safety net that you can live on the backs of others hard work.
Democrats sell us out to china. Get surprised that they don't stay in power.
Fake Republicans act against our own interests by instigating false pretenses for war get surprised when they don't get voted in.
it's as if the best people succeed and democracy works
>>768156986
OP trollery too apparent, moving on after mandatory. OP is an idiot statement. #letthreaddie
>>768169302
muller is different than donut munching oinkers
>>768169129
Companies don't expand because of tax cuts. They expand because of increased demand for goods and services. Look at what's happening right now. The massive bulk of the funds from the tax cuts and repatriation are going towards executive compensation and stock buybacks. If you don't broaden the consumer base you're not going to create a demand for companies to hire more and expand.
>>768167813
>Equating a physical space of safety with an emotional space of safety
>Thinking that getting bashed in the face with a brick isn't more serious than having mean words said to you
>>768164001
They still killed the Goose that laid the Golden Egg. My whole family drove nothing but Ford and GM cars since WW2.
Now I have a Honda hybrid and love it. Detroit has lost everything since the unions stole the R&D money...
>>768156986
Conservatives believe in less handouts and more opportunity. We'd rather live in a society where we get what we work for rather than pay huge taxes to take care of everyone, including those who exploit welfare programs.
Wait people exploit welfare programs? Who am I kidding.
>>768169344
I have been nice all thread but this shit just pisses me off.
Took me ten minutes to read that shit and it has zero to do with welfare. Faggot
>>768168921
how's being 12?
>>768168966
>Poor people are NIGGERS
>NIGGERS
>NIGGERS
>NIGGERS
come on say it coward
>>768169821
>opportunity
That's their shorthand for "fuck you, I got mine, you're on your own".
>>768169516
Good. Then you're OK with forcing businesses to pay living wages. I'm glad we agree.
>>768169572
Nail on the head right here. I've been reading the shareholder reports of several of companies recently. A lot of Execs are getting $, a lot of companies like Alphabet and Facebook are stockpiling cash (Alphabet, essentially Google, has $100,000,000,000 in cash). the tax cuts may enable more capital investment, but taxes are one of the last things a business worries about, they have so many other expenses.
>>768169516
Oh yeah, single parenthood in general absolutely fucks up children, but single motherhood especially creates pieces of shit.
The data shows that fathers teach delayed gratification and action/reward dynamics, while mothers teach social networking. Which is why children of single fathers tend to be awkward as fuck but competent - because they can delay their gratification in order to get larger rewards, but lack actual people skills - and children of single mothers tend to be criminals - because they expect instant gratification for everything and are able and willing to work with other people to get it.
>>768157558
>went to college for a degree in arts and thinks he's smart
>>768169966
It would be better to take from the guy that works for his stuff and give it to a heroin addict?
>>768169655
Actually dipshit, Detroit went bust because of bad management decisions.
But you go ahead and blame unions that fought for living wages.
And suck Trump's cock some more while you're at it.
>>768156986
because having everything given to you is communism.
>>768156986
>If I make up a bunch of shit people will believe it
Kek'd
>>768169821
>Conservatives believe in less handouts and more opportunity.
No they don't you fucking dipshit.
If that were the case, there would be no wage gap and everyone would be happy and making good money.
Conservatives want to control everything and look down on anyone who questions their shit.
>>768168661
> 17%
kek
>>768170224
>wage gap
Wew-lad.
>>768170255
Oh look, an out of touch alt right dipshit who doesn't believe that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Fuck you and your stupid faggot buzzwords.
>>768168999
Do you even understand how welfare is carried out in the modern day? You are expected to find work throughout from day one (if you're not disabled or a refugee) or attend workshops which will open up career paths that lead to a job. They . I know this because I used to be on welfare and no longer needed it once I got on my two feet. The idea is not to get a "free ride". The idea is not to go bankrupt if you get into an accident at work and have to go to the hospital, or stay stuck in a hole that you can't ever rise out of simply because you're too poor, the jobs you do have aren't enough to pay the bills, and you can never aspire to anything higher because the time just isn't there without some assistance. This is not about turning the world into some fucking communist paradise. The very concept of society hinges on the fact that everyone benefits in some way from someone else's work, but there is ALWAYS a balance to be had. You can't have a society that's utterly selfish because then it's not a society at all.
As for Europe, if you want to end the refugee crisis, stop your warmongering countries from creating them and financing terrorist sects for the military-industrial complex. It's their choice to take them in, but America has a large share of the blame to own up to.
>>768170021
You probably don't even have a degree anon. And you think Trump is going to make you rich. You're a tool.
>>768158570
>"P-please give me a job that pays $0.50 an hour Mr Bossman! I'm s-sorry I asked for time and half for working Christmas Day, I promise I'll never hurt you like that again. :("
>>768170112
Hows that teachers union working out? I mean sure, teachers are doing quite well considering. If you molest a child or are incompetent they just put you in a room by yourself or with other incompetent teachers to collect paycheck and pension because that is easier and cheaper than firing them. But is that really a good thing?
>>768169966
That seems perfectly fair, provided the game isn't rigged.
If the game is rigged, you say "Fuck it, I'll flip the whole board, and maybe when it settles it won't be rigged anymore."
Republicans don't think the game is rigged. They think some people get a head start, but overall they think the game is fair, and that they can play it too, and even if they don't do well then maybe their kids or someone else that they love will. And that's enough for them.
They don't tend to give a fuck about the guy down the block. If he isn't willing to play the game, or if he plays it very badly, why the fuck should I give some of my winnings to him?
I bet when Democrats play monopoly, they bail people out of bankruptcy. It doesn't give that bankrupted person the ability to survive the game - they're still doomed - it just means that the Democrat has less chance of surviving the game now, too. Even worse is when the Democrat looks at the richest person playing the game and demands that they bail out the bankrupt person.
>>768170306
>stupid faggot buzzwords
You're the type of person that thinks fast food workers should be getting twice the minimum wage for a unskilled job that a potato can do.
>>768170021
>no degree
>no trade
>thinks he's smart
Same reason people vote, too misinformed and ignorant to realize it's only who's counting the votes that matter.
>>768168921
We pay taxes. Of course they better take care of it’s citizens you miserable virgin twat
>>768156986
Redpill:
Both major parties are against everyone's interests.
All they do is powershare with their little corporate lobbyists.
They lie to you prior to elections to get your vote and only fools believe them.
Politicians dont give a fuck about their constituents.
>>768156986
Politico's should be hung for treason.
Kys
>>768157348
Yo.
>>768169852
>this doesn't fit my cherry picked definition of "welfare"
https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/red-state-welfare/
cry some more fag
>>768157273
They are worried the Republicans would cut their welfare
I love seeing Trumptards getting all butthurt. The trumpgret is real.
>>768170465
>Republicans don't think the game is rigged.
They're the ones rigging it for people at the top and then they tell everyone who isn't at the top they just need to stop being lazy and work harder to get there.
Look at the "opportunities" they created in Kansas. Was supposed to be the showpiece for Republican fiscal policy and instead it was a complete, unmitigated disaster. Turns out you do need taxes and public investment after all.
>>768159527
Oof
>>768170467
You bet I do you fucking stupid selfish old right dip shit everybody who works should have a living wage do you understand me you fucking faggot
>>768170522
THIS
Republicans distract you one way, democrats use another and both don't give a fuck about you.
>Cut taxes and no benefits for anybody
>Taxes from all you little people to pay for ever expanding programs
In the end we get the same thing, wasteful use of resources that doesn't benefit anybody in the name of protecting powerful corporations and further encroachment of individual freedom using whatever excuses make themselves available. Fuck political parties, this country is an oligarchy as long as they continue to dominate.
>>768159421
If you find people online frequently call you stupid, it's likely a non-partisan issue.
>>768170365
I have a degree in comp sci and work in silicon valley. I have to hide that I like Trump, because if I don't toe the party line, I'll be fucking lynched by my hyper-democrat coworkers.
Political affiliation has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with intelligence. And college education has relatively little to do with intelligence, at least in the current era where anyone can essentially just buy a degree. More to do with affluence. College increases your crystallized intelligence by training you in specific things, but does absolutely nothing for your fluid intelligence, and the value of the crystallized intelligence is offset by the absolute dogshit propaganda that colleges tend to stuff into young peoples' heads.
People that aren't college educated aren't necessarily stupid or low IQ. It does mean they aren't likely to be trained in an area of specialization, or have particular knowledge of history or mathematics, but that doesn't invalidate their ability to draw logical conclusions from available data. Knowing the dates of historical events or the formulae for maths are both crystallized intelligence, but knowing that if you want to build this deck you'll need at least 24 2x6 boards just by looking at it is fluid intelligence.
>>768170587
This is how Trump got elected you fucking fuck shut the fuck up
>>768170944
Oh fucking bullshit. You're a fucking idiot who voted for Trump own up to it
>Doesn't realize jobs are being shipped to China because of insane regulations and taxes imposed by Dems
>Doesn't realize Social Security is a literal ponzi scheme and medicare is fucking atrocious compared to any insurance plan
>>768159933
Kek'd at someone actually sharing that meme unironically, probably without reading all the mistakes first.
>>768171063
Christ what is this fucking myth about how Democrats are sending jobs overseas shut the fuck up
>>768157180
>>768157273
Oh America, why don't you get a more versatile political landscape with more than just two flimsy, near identical parties?
Something where not only the rich people can be considered politically viable. Y'know, like grown up democracies around the world.
Pic unrelated.
>>768167940
It's terrifying that people this oblivious to reality have the right to vote.
>>768171027
Remember, Hillary got 89% of the black vote.
Unless we're suddenly implying that black people are reasonably intelligent, that says that it isn't necessarily the smart ones that voted against Trump, or the stupid ones that voted for him.
>>768171168
Jesus fucking Christ shut the fuck up with the durrrrrr two parties are the same durrr durrr durrr fuck off
>>768171131
>Dems are notorious for imposing strict regulations and taxes on businesses
>Wonder why they have huge exoduses out of States like California into states like Arizona
yeah just a myth
>>768171063
Yeah, but is there even a single facet of any government that isn't a scam on the majority of 'the participants', AKA a ponzi scheme? Why bother trying to separate the problems into sides, only reveals oneself to be a shortsighted fool.
>>768171245
No just you. And the really funny thing is you don't seem to realize you're fucking stupid for doing it. You voted for Trump you fucking idiot
>>768171313
>Implying I believe the government should do anything except die
>>768171168
The rich are politically viable because they have the money to campaign. They can have giant parties, and gather crowds, and do commercials, and travel all over the country to get people to know their name and hear their message.
The political movers and shakers in France and Canada and Germany are also very wealthy and self interested, regardless of the fact that there are more parties jockeying for attention.
No country has elected a president based on their Youtube videos, yet.
>>768171285
You fucking useful idiot. Companies move overseas because they fucking can.
>>768166084
The united states literally sent them pallets of money
>>768171245
>because intelligent blacks would vote for the guy who'd been charged/fined multiple times for discrimination
>>768170712
At least this link talks about welfare, slightly.
The problem with this article is pic related. When you click on the "takers" that is supposed to show which states are leaching it goes to the same bullshit linc you previously posted.
I am no longer mad at you, you are probably just shilling your crappy websites for a quick buck
>>768171168
Please. Being the leader of France is like being the Governor of Texas. It's a lot easier and cheaper to campaign when anywhere you want to hold a conference is only a 4 hour drive away.
>>768170006
Nope, there should be no minimum wage, if you choose to accept a job for 1 cent an hour then so be it.
1. The whole deal with China is showing us that Dems are okay with outsourcing too, more so than Republicans in fact. They won't even try to bring back jobs.
2. Degrees creep. Over the years, educational requirements for jobs – all jobs – have skyrocketed, same with college debt. This is a form of credentialism and it's driven by Democrats, which is one of the ways they now hold power over academia. The truth is, you don't need a fucking English studies degree to work as some clerk, but it'll give you an edge at an interview regardless; in fact American education on average, except for a few of the most funded unis, is so horrible and nigger-oriented that people shouldn't, in my opinion, use it as some metric correlating with credibility of opinions, you're just a hopeless retard if you wasted time and money on something like that instead of developing your skills or, you know, actually learning. This understandably pisses people off.
>>768171410
>Moving millions of dollars worth of resources overseas and incurring even more long term costs "just cuz"
>>768170112
>bad management decisions.
By that, do you mean the hardcore gun-control laws that only result in higher than national averages in gun crime?
Or union places where minimum wage is a fighting deal...
Check out ND. No unions, but a robust economy, nobody will get out of bed for $7 or $9/hr. I won't take anything less than 17
>>768171417
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-bribed-iran-400-million-to-release-u-s-prisoners/
>>768171384
Perhaps the fact that the media isn't privately owned and allows everybody with a decent education to be a political candidate to be heard equally is a factor?
And before you cry "education requires fortune" let me remind you that in civilised societies education is already paid for via taxes. I.E. everybody gets one if they want one.
>>768171271
Easy slick, don't strain yourself.
Pic unrelated
Trump's not a stupid man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EebRtIK4o7c
>>768171706
Gun control resulting in higher gun crime is a myth dude.
This is coming from a staunch pro-gun person. Data doesn't lean either way, infact data insists that gun legislation has little to no impact on violent crime rates at all. Gun control isn't harmful statistically, but it's not useful either.
>>768171828
He's not. He is ignorant and self-obsessed, though.
>>768156986
Same happens in the UK.
All the uneducated retards vote Conservative.
It normally boils down to being spoon fed rhetoric about curbing immigration and shit like that.
Meanwhile their benefits and public services are being stripped away.
>>768158570
Haha a potato learned to type.
>>768171554
hate to break it to you, snowflake, but spending 4 to 12 years of your life on a degree, going $50,000 to $200,000 in debt just to spend 10 hours a day paying for Mr. Shekelstein's new yacht on your $50k salary (if you're lucky) is a sham in itself. full, reliable automation of menial labor is ever rapidly approaching with new AI and robotics techniques. China has already mastered the art of undercutting everyone else in the world to obtain the highest profit margins possible. there's no point fighting a losing battle with the potato farming jobs that, even if they were abundant, are rapidly becoming obsolete. you have to better yourself and adapt in order to compete, that's nature. fortunately, we live in a society where we can become Mr. Shekelstein.
>>768171493
And a huge sexist, right? The Vox said so!
...except white women voted for him just fine. And he is in fact very fair to women in his hiring practices.
You show exactly nigger-tier reasoning, easily manipulable opinion.
It's honestly laughable, barely intelligent white boys accusing the other party of being dumb because "muh education".
What did you even learn in your college that a random chink or ruskie doesn't know yet? Biography of Rodney King?
>>768172033
>>768172376
Haha, I wonder if Boris still uses it for camping holidays.
>>768172033
what benefits? dont cite me roads, because those are tiny compared to the rest of the bullshit that money gets shoveled into every day. even if we cut half of our social services we would still have leftover waste programs.
>>768157558
You dumb ass Trump still would have won with only college educated whites
>>768172033
if this was true then why the spoon bins? or current social environment. honest question.
>checked.
>>768156986
>>768157180
>>768157190
>>768157213
>>768157348
>>768157558
>>768157633
>>768158048 (>White boi. >Nigger.)
>>768161571
>>768167300
>>768167345
>>768167535
>>768167813
>>768167442
>>768168060
>>768169994
>>768170011
>>768172594
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poor-uk-households-incomes-tory-benefits-cuts-dwp-conservatives-ifs-fiscal-studies-research-brexit-a7705556.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/08/police-cuts-likely-contributed-to-rise-in-violent-leaked-report-reveals
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-minister-admits-benefit-cuts-12276278.amp
>>768172306
>hurr duur FAKE NEWS
>forgetting it's a matter of public record
https://www.in.gov/igc/2529.htm
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1992/10/19/Trump-Plaza-loses-appeal-of-discrimination-penalty/1911719467200/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump#Lawsuits_1973–1999
>>768172917
you're a real prick aren't you.
>>768172863
20,000 less police, and now London has more violent crime than New York... I wonder if there is a connection there.
>>768173212
Aww, did the truth hurt your widdle fee fees?
>Unions and Obamacare drive up the cost of american labor
>blame Republicans
>>768162408
underrated post
>Democrats raised my taxes so much that I couldn't maintain savings, and then regulated and taxed my company so much they layed everyone off, and then democrats left me out to die for being white and outside the city, and then fined me for not having mandated insurance that they forced me to purchase instead of saving my money at rates artificially inflated by their policy while calling me a idiot for wanting to vote for a republican who wants to get me a new job and lower my taxes because Jaquanda F'shnoquialla wouldn't get enough handouts to support her 7 no father children and government retirement safety nets would run out 35 years before I retire instead of 35 years before I retire.
>>768166375
Not same poster but making it personal only proves your point is wrong.
The immigration problem is mainly Americans fault. They had to intervene in other countries political affairs and fuck everything thing up. After getting resources and getting the type of government they want in place they leave and play the victim. All that proxy war shit will be paid for
>>768156986
Gee, I wonder who's behind this post
>>768172863
this doesnt confirm anything, tax cuts apply to everyone equally, just because someone more wealthy than you gets a bigger earning because of the same tax cut doesnt make it a terrible decision.
>>768156986
>>ITT: Redditfags claiming to be woke, but still just shit tier narrow-minded cucks with an unjustified superiority complex
>>768174632
>projecting this hard
>>768156986
>their
Armchair socialist.
