Im looking at actually taking some martial arts classes. Do any of them actually hold up in a street fight or is it just a waste of time?
Do you like spinning around prior to getting shot? No? Then save your time and money.
>>768103490
Most street fights have no guns involved.
Yes they hold up in a fight, especially the military stuff as they are specialized for actual combat situations.
>>768103447
MMA, wrestling, BJJ, judo hold up well. Martial arts with only strikes will help but only on the feet.
>>768103490
I grew up watching a lot of anime and watching martial arts film so its something ive always wanted to do
alot of them are useless but what i can say is use intimidation id find a fuckin bowie knifr or a knife in general more then fuckin special kicks but i am a Ausfag so we dont got guns
Don't listen to >>768103490
They don't know what the fuck they're talking about and they're making wild assumptions that you're an american living in an impoverished area that has a high redneck or nigger populace.
If you want to take a martial arts class for self defence focus do a little studying in to what classes are best for self defence, do not listen to testimonials of people who do "taekwondo" or "karate" or "kung fu" but instead do explicit research of what is available in your area and whether or not it's utilized by any armed forces.
Krav Maga is considered a popular choice for self defence, kick-boxing will teach you some basics but it's sub par when compared to standard boxing, steer clear of MMA, street fights don't have rules and MMA will just cause you to confuse yourself and get stabbed.
if you find any kung fu schools branding themselves as quanshu or quanfa then they have a higher likelihood of being strong self-defence oriented schools.
Muay-Thai kick-boxing is another martial art that will develop several very strong base skills for self defence but good teachers are hard to find.
Ultimately, you might be better off looking for an actual "self defence" class, they are often taught by ex-service members and are more about "how to not get fucked up or killed in an altercation."
>>768103447
Find a gym that teaches mix martial arts for technique and Krav Maga for street situations/ dirty fighting
>>768103447
Once MMA fighting took off it quickly proved that some martial arts are legit and some are just fancy poses and stretch exercises.
Legit martial arts are wrestling, boxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and Krav Maga (but note that Krav maga is a lot of dirty tricks like going for the eyes, balls, kneecaps, and toe stomps; if you pull this shit, you better incapacitate them fast because you've now made it completely acceptable for him to pull some nasty shit on you). Karate is hit or miss depending on the instructor.
Fake martial arts are kung-fu, aikido, tai-chi, and many many others. This shit is proven super ineffective against real schools of martial arts. It's just a bunch of fancy flourishes that aren't combat effective. Did you ever see the Chinese MMA fighter that took down the nation's best Tai-chi "master" in less than 30 seconds (and really the fight was probably won in 10, it just took 20 seconds for the ref to stop the tai-chi guy from getting mauled).
That kung-fu or tai chi might look cool in movies but real fights don't look like that. Once MMA became a thing, it quickly proved those schools of martial arts don't actually work.
Don't get me wrong *any* combat training is better than none. It will help you keep a cool head under pressure (what really wins fights). Once you start panicking, you've lost. And someone trained in a stupid school of martial arts will probably win against someone who has NO combat training... but it's still not effective.
>>768103447
learn BJJ if you want to win street fights
I've always wondered about how effective it would be to hire an ex-con to teach self-defense. They'd probably work for pretty cheap and you know that their fight game is incredibly practical.
Thoughts?
Wing chun if you want the ultimate self defense. Krav Maga if you want to go looking for someone to fuck the fuck up.
MMA is for octofags and has little to no street value.
bruce lee blocks your path
> nothing personal kiddo
>>768103810
>>768103770
Legit advice
>>768103867
Retarded
>>768103447
boxing bro
have you in peak shape with knock out technique
muh krav magay
> paying a kike to teach you use dirty tricks to win
>>768103770
this guy is a dumbass
all kung fu is for dumbasses like this
boxing or muay thai is the way to go
I recommend muay thai/judo/brazillian jiu jitsu.
standing game, stand and throwing, ground game.
pick what kind of fighter you want to be. break down the steps and enjoy the sport. make sure you get sparing in to understand what you're doing. Buy head gear, and a mouth guard, and probably a gi for judo/jiu jitsu
What do martial art fags think about karate?
The nice thing about 'real' jiu jitsu or similar martial arts is that there's many techniques that let you pick the appropriate level of force. If a friend grabs you and you want to make him let go, you can just do an escape. If he's being an ass, you can do it harder and he KNOWS you made him let go. If he's drunk and may keep swinging, you can wrist lock him or put him in some other kind of lock until he calms down. If it's a legit fight from someone who means you permanent harm, the same techniques can often be used to break arms, etc. Something that only teaches you how to punch and kick has the limitation of leaping straight to a real fight.
Knowing how to grapple is also good, a lot of real fights wind up with someone on the ground. If you know to continue from there, you can easily take out someone bigger and stronger than you- look at the first UFC matches where Gracie was taking out guys MUCH bigger than him. I knew a guy I studied with who decided to add some TKD to his skill set. He was sparring with someone and got in close (perfect range for elbows or a throw), and his partner stopped and said "You can't get that close!" Unless you're planning on negotiating rules with your attacker before the fight, that kind of attitude will get you badly hurt.
>>768103969
>Retarded
Why? Obviously, you'd have to find someone that's not just fronting and has actually been in many fights before. But I'm sure someone like that would be much better than many black belts.
Speaking from experience, muay thai is a hell of a lot of fun and emphasizes high powered strikes. Knowing how to throw heavy leg kicks can straight up throw most people way off in a fight because they have no idea how to use their legs at all, and if someone gets close to you and you get them in a thair clinch, you can feed them scary knees for as long as you want
>>768104246
Lol no. Just get someone with true combat experience or at least training. How are you gonna approach this anyway? Put an ad out? Wait outside prison?
>>768103770
Pretty good advice.
My addition is that it depends more on you and on your teacher what you take from given class no matter what martial art or self defense methodology you study. I've had a very good karate teached and the stereotypical "tai-chi guy" karate teacher. I also saw other students misunderstand a lot of things even with good teachers, and I saw myself struggle with some things others didn't even knew they were doing already. You may want to try several before settling.
And since we're talking martial arts, what do you guys think of wing chun?
>>768104456
you can watch a boxer literally 1 arm beat a "wing chun master"
>>768104222
good for distance management, realistically shit for everything else if you're against anybody competent in another style like wrestling, muay thai
>>768104246
>everyone in prison has been in lots of fights
>everyone in prison has won all those fights
good logic there buddy
>>768103810
Do you think all schools of kung fu suck? Even shaolin? I did karate for some time with various results because of different trainers and am interested in trying something else.
>>768104589
got any link? I tried to look up vids like that once but there were always obviously very differently skilled fighters
>>768103447
hit first and dont stop untill they stop. 80% of street fights are won by the guy that makes the first successful strike.
>>768104687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1iG8vLtmNo
not sure if the wing chun master hasnt seen combat or what but he's squeamish
boxing will spar the squeam right out
Why don't you just not get into fights? Fighting after the age of 14 is stupid. You can be seriously injured, get brain damage, or go to jail. Your best form of defense would be to learn to have an attitude that doesn't cause a fight to happen and then if one does for no fault of your own either talk your way out of it or take your chances with your instinctive fighting. It's one thing for trained professionals to entertain you with the sport of fighting, but everyone else walking around thinking they are a badass or that have a little too much testosterone from working out too much and walking bruce lee movies is another
>>768104430
You network, I'd think. I'm sure it's not hard to find someone that's out of jail, they are everywhere. But with a few exceptions, many classes are for "sport fighting" or for points, not for "i got attacked in a parking garage"
>>768104669
Not what I said at all. I said it would take some work to find one of the good fighters.
>>768104757
full vid instead of the garbage i linked prior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJBqU-ygvs
>>768104757
fake martial arts like kung fu or karate doesnt work in a real fight perhaps judo/brazilian jiujitsu but the rest is pure shit
>>768104777
yeah and you'd probably end up with some scumbag who either says he knows how to fight, or thinks he knows how to fight, but doesnt, and you pay him money to feed you bullshit
also nice trips
>>768104757
>>768104866
thanks, I have a hard time believing that guy is actually any good at it though
I mean even if the whole concept of the martial art is bullshit I would expect him to at least do the moves faster not just flail around randomly, but maybe thats what it's supposed to look like idk
>>768104774
>>768104874
bjj is good
when people do mma its usually bjj and muay thai or wrestling and boxing as a good foundation
Krav mmaga, shit is serious business, real enough that they can't have tournaments because damage done is likely to be permanent but if you restrain yourself you could take most people in a street fight without doing permanent damage
>>768103722
Is that image real? I need one of those but for full time.
>>768104777
You really are 12 or retarded. Shame the gods for handing out trips like that. If you want to fuck shit up in real situations get self defense training or krav maga like everybody in this thread said already.
>>768104222
>Karate
>The Dane Cook of martial arts
>>768105156
You have not given any reasons. Tell me WHY you think it would not work? Don't just spew "because BJJ is awsumm!!". It's a thought experiment. Like this guy:
>>768105055
He's giving actual reasons. Yes, this is probably the biggest risk. Having someone who actually believes they are a good fighter and isn't would be a bad teacher. How would you evaluate them?
>>768103447
Boxing, kick boxing, BJJ is great in a clutch, especially if you're a smaller guy. A good MMA gym will get you there eventually.
>>768104230
This.
The way it was described to me was like this:
If you ever have to defend yourself, when the police arrive do you want the perpetrator to be bloody and beat up, or submitted until help arrives? The latter wont get you arrested but also wont risk your safety
Cobra Kai karate
shits dope
Krav maga for the win and anybody that says "it's just dirty tricks" wtf do you think street fighting is?! There is no ref to dq the guy attacking you with a knife or a bat so you might as well disable Chad for life so you are his last attempt at trying to punk someone
>>768104687
Shaolin train their body their whole life, they are hard as rock. Even when they are outfight, their body still stand, and eventually they take down their oponent.
>>768105675
>bloody and beat up, or submitted until help arrives
every time
bonus points for broken bones (fingers count)
>>768105441
Prison does not equals fighting experience
People who have been to prison are statistically less trustworthy
People who train daily are more likely to be good at something than people who don't
Prison is not a good environment to develop teaching abilities
Surviving prison has more to do with social skills and standing than it does with being a good fighter
Specifically finding a person who has been to prison to save money on your training is a bad idea because prison has nothing to do with being a good fighter, and it's also a bit insulting to trainers and ex cons in general
If you went to prison because of fighting, you either have little control over your emotions or little control over your body
Its really really annoying that I have to explaon all this.
>>768105849
Great for story telling, not so great for staying out of jail. Still hilarious though.
Depends on where you at. I'm definitely always avoiding problems and if you have a trainer that has a focus on the self-defence part and not just on tournaments and how to actually win the fight by knockout, first thing they are going to tell you is to get away from people that are looking for a fight.
I'm a currently not active kickboxer and had quite a few situations where I was lucky that I did it for a few years.
Mostly it's drunk people making problems. They are in about 70% of all cases backing off, if you hit them pretty hard to the chest first, because of the temporary loss of breath.
The other 25% wants the fight and backs off when either the cops come or when they see that they are definitely about to get destroyed.
5% are guys that you really need it. Of those some have a weapon or some come in groups. I guess we are talking about that type of situation and in my personal experience it's necessary to learn to defend yourself and even more necessary to defend others.
Half a year ago I was walking home from a dinner I was at with my wife. We were pretty well dressed, she had a dress on that had the back and parts of the front open, she is 33 and looking really hot especially in that kind of dress. Some guys around the age of 20 were hanging around and insulting us especially her. We were just walking by as they started to follow us. I was already seeing the fight so I called the cops told them that they should send someone but I knew it would take 15 minutes at least for them to be here
>>768105955
>implying i live in usa
>>768104222
Checked
Also, if you close distance on a karatefag fast and punch hard, they go down fast, also, generally speaking they seem to be confused if you tackle them, a normal person reacts, but they stop to think about training, giving me a huge advantage.
>>768106016
continue
>>768103447
Everytime I've been out with mates trained in martial arts & there's been a fight, they've been KO'd. No training matters when the moment comes. It's just all about getting that fist hit in
>>768106265
> All your friends get 1 shot KO
Bro, I think you hang with allot of betas who pick to many fights.
>>768103447
Taekwondo WTF > All the rest
>>768103447
>Trained anime
Bitch was weak, i have beaten a schoolmate copying mortal kombat moves... the bitch cried in blood. Even his mom come to the school.
I got not warning.
>>768106411
This.
>>768106411
Maybe. Or maybe all that training counts for fuck all when the moment comes. Maybe it's all about luck, circumstance & who punches a skull hard enough
>>768106513
For someone who is more of a bare knuckles brawler, might you explain the pro/con of said style?
>>768103810
>>768103770
thoughts on akido? or judo i forget which one but its the updated version of jiu-jitsu
>>768106621
I've never been hit in the head... By a person anyways
Do they not guard or move when a fist or foot comes flying at them?
>>768103447
Any martial art will get you fitter than someone who bately moves so that's a plus.
All martial arts teach you basic kicks, punches and grapples so that's nice.
Anything more than a good strike or throw you'll never need in life unless you look for it.
There is no real rock-paper-scissors, anyone can beat anyone, it's mainly down to chance.
Martial arts are a great workout though.
>>768106155
>giving me a huge advantage
UFC games dont count. You dont do anything kid
>>768103447
you can find martial arts that arent shit but being able to fight well regardless of training is largely about attitude. that white kid would still get his ass whooped no matter what art he learned. Karate, tkd, aikido are all garbage. some of the older chinese arts are really good if you find a good school that teaches them properly. but thats pretty rare. safest bet is going to an mma school and learning their kickboxing and BJJ
>>768106727
Anon, you forgot to necromancer that they train your mind to be disciplined also
>>768106767
Kek, nice bait faggot
>>768103447
Krav Maga holds up
>>768106826
> Maga
Making martial arts great again?
>>768103722
Where can i buy this? I just broke through my homemade one. This one looks sturdier
>>768106642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPVuC6ugmAw
Nuff said.
>>768106896
The best ones are spendy as fuck, and eventually want you to marry them.
>>768103810
obviously you dont have a fucking clue what you're talking about. tai chi is kung fu and kung fu encompasses literally thousands of different styles. watching a youtube video of X getting their ass kicked by Y doesnt make you an expert on those styles.
>>768106790
Oh, right, the disciprine.
Also that I guess. Just don't be a cunt and get into fights though.
>>768103447
Think about it: would you rather fight a random guy off the street or someone who's trained in MMA? There's your answer.
>>768106706
akido is the dumb shit that steven segal does. its bullshido at its finest. judo is just a sport style. its all about getting your opponent off balance and throwing them. there is no "updated" version of jiu jitsu. jiujitsu covers a wide range of styles.
On phone, I'll save it for later, thanks anon
>>768104081
Not learning due to racism is retarded on another level.
>>768103863
you're fucking stupid. going to the ground will get you killed in a "street fight"
>>768107121
>trying to reason with alt-righters
>>768103699
And none of this shit well help you if you never get good at fighting by sparring and actually having real fights.
>>768107060
Either is fine, whip out your cock, make a face and begin jacking it, never fails to begin a retreat
>>768106713
It usually happens so fast there's no time to react. 9 times outta 10 the guy mouthing off won't be the one to throw th first punch. It'll be one of his mates. Kinda like a distraction thing. That's what I mean about it all being based on who throws the first punch & if it's hard enough. Also circumstance, location, shit even what you've eaten or how drunk you are. It's all luck & circumstance. No training gonna effect that
>>768103863
What you gonna do? Put him in an armbar? What happens when his friend kicks you in the fucking head?
>>768107184
> Imposing lakes on other people who may just be a run-of-the-mill racist
>>768104222
most karate just turns into shitty kickboxing as soon as the fight starts. Okinawan karate can be legit though.
>>768107175
not in a 1on1 situation
if you know what you're doing, much less can go horribly wrong in a grappling fight. that's why BJJ is so effective in mma
obviously no one would ever advice grappling against multiple opponents - but that's not the point
if you end up fighting multiple guys, you're probably fucked anyway (at least if they have basic striking training)
>>768104774
Sometimes you have to defend yourself and others. Sometimes the person who wants to fight isn't you.
A large part of the benefit of learning to fight is mental too. It gives you a confidence and awareness allowing you to relax. Also great for fitness
>>768103447
I don't think the one throwing the kicks ever took any classes and just watches power rangers
>>768103447
https://youtu.be/QOVzI1TaUAw
ninjitsu
>>768103672
Correct.
Because when a firearm is brandished, there is no "street fight" thereafter. See how that works?
>>768103447
I'm trained in Muay Thai and I can tell you any actual, real training gives you an advantage if the other guy doesn't have any training at all.
That said, my coach always insisted you never go looking for a fight because anything can happen and it can end very badly. Even if he's not trained, the other guy may move in an unexpected way and fuck your world up with a single hit
The white boi in the video you posted has zero training and has watched too many movies.
>>768107227
Show me any martial art that lets a man win against a large group of opponents single handedly.
>>768105896
You don't have to. The guy's retarded, you'd be explaining stuff all day to him and nothing would change
best self defence if someone pulls a knife is to run the other way.
pull any of that Krav Maga BS and youre gonna get stabbed
>>768107368
Why must Asians be better than us in everything?
>>768107326
>implying you can know when it's a 1 on 1 situation.
bjj only works in MMA because the fighters are 100% guaranteed that no one else will join in. if you're out on the street and some prick starts punching you and you take him to the ground, his friend might kick you in the head, he might get a knife or gun out, anything could happen because 'street fights' are unpredictable and have no rules
>>768107218
Oh... That explains it, if I start getting surrounded, I usually move to bottleneck and keep everyone in my sight, failing that...I run a short distance, then turn to face them, because everyone runs at a different speed, it makes the fight more even
I don't go out with friends, so I don't generally have any backup... I've been put on my ass a few times, but needed caught a direct punch to the face
Judo or boxing desu
>>768107175
>>768107326
Watch worldstar. Most street fights end up on the ground with everyone else watching and laughing.
>>768107455
Running away is literally the first thing they tell you to do in Krav Maga. You only fight if you absolutely have to.
>>768107326
in many many muggings and shit the attacker isnt alone even if you dont immediately see anyone with him and if you've ever done any grappling, you'd know its basically impossible to pay attention to whats going on around you while you're grappling. bjj can be useful in learning how to escape and get up off the ground buts it shouldnt be your primary training for self defense.
>>768103810
Lol, I want to start learning Krav Maga due to never wanting to fight unless I'm truly in a bad place.
That being said, half the videos I see online seem like a ball stomping festival.
>>768103447
Quick and dirty?
Boxing and judo. Punch a fucker in his head and then drop him on it until he dies. Both are incredibly solid styles with absolutely zero 'flash'.
Obviously run away from retards with knives and guns. Real life isn't Naruto.
Fistfights though? Thugs will throw haymakers all day with absolutely no defense and will lead with their jaws all the time.
Seriously. Train boxing for literally one month and you'll be better than 95% of the Joe Randos within fifty pounds of you.
People that outweigh you by a shitton will still kill you. Be advised. Again, this is not Naruto. Weight is all that matters at the end of the day, assuming both people know how to throw a punch.
>>768107446
Gun fight?
>>768107446
If loads of guys are going up against you, your best bet is to just run away. If you're rolling around on the floor, you can't do that.
>>768107434
Samefagging to add to this, other anons are bringing up weapons. If a weapon is produced, run tf away, there is no martial art in the world that can prepare you to fight any weapon bare handed.
>>768106826
just like any martial art, krav maga has tons of shit school out there. you only think so fondly of it because the jews are great at making people think everything they do is a godsend.
>>768107582
> Do any of that style gets you stabbed
> Style says to get away from guy with knife
Kek
>>768104774
The soy is strong in this one
>>768103447
Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Boxing, MMA, Wrestling and Judo
>>768103949
Bruce Lee would legit get his ass kicked by any means fighter today hell he'd probably get his ass kicked by Ronda Rousey
>>768107528
the same argument can be made for your opponent having a tazer, knife or gun ... which will simply fuck you up 99% if you don't have one
what-if scenarios aren't interessting
learn what would work in a 1on1 situation - all things being equal (mostly meaning no weapons)
then go from there. if there are two guys, you probably could deal with them if your striking skills are good enough (maybe sucker punch the first guy as hard as you can)
if there are multiple guys and/or weapons are involved, your skills almost don't matter at all - other than how fast you can run away
sure, there's always the possibility that someone could surprise stab you from behind - but that's true no matter what
prepare for what you can actually prepare for
>>768107544
until the wrong guy starts winning and all the nigger friends of the guy getting stomped decide to turn the other guys head into a pancake
>>768107607
Krav Maga is just the name given to a week long training course given by the Israeli military. If you ask any Israeli military personel about Krav Maga they wont know what the fuck youre talking about
it doesn't matter how much you practice your shit in a class room. Unless you practice in high stress situations, and actually fight a bunch of people for real to practice will you have any likely chance of applying it to a street fight.
Brains tend to stop working so good when they think they are about to die.
hey karate fags, let's see your little sissy kicks and punches go against my flying bullet style from my glock
>>768107368
The hell kind of kick is that. If the opponent is even mildly ready, they'll just grab your leg before the snap and punch you in the stomach.
>>768107855
Exactly this. 4th dan black belts mean fuck all if youve never been in a real fight.
>>768106265
Look at where you are. If you have friends, a remote possibility, they are all weebs who take aikido and weigh either 120 pounds or 240.
>>768103447
Mui Thai Kick Boxing does pretty well.
So far I knocked out (unconscious):
2 robbers
1 guy who punched his child in the face in public
1 guy that tried to stab me because I didn't reciprocate his feelings to me
3 iraq shitheads that were beating my neighbour with metal poles
one ended up with the metal pole up his ass
>>768103447
Any kind of wrestling will help tons as soon as your fisticuffs decends into grappling, which it will within 2 seconds.
>>768108073
Sounds like someone is either:
Full of shit
Actively looking for a reason to fight strangers
>>768108073
could you elaborate on the fights against the robbers and iraqis ?
>>768104430
"Wait outside a prison" kek
>>768108058
I took some aikido, I can attest to this being an overall shit style to defend yourself with. The only way Aikido wins a fight (and they only teach you how to react because they worship pacifism) is if you surprise the other person. Someone settled into a combat stance and with training would destroy an Aikido practitioner
>>768108153
in germany self defense is legit even if you do it for others who appear to be helpless.
only way to legally beat the shit out of someone.
so yea
>>768108153
You’d better watch out.. I’m sure he’s learned from the best. Like Sagat.
>>768104774
Definitely a female who wrote this. I bet you haven't had to fight a day in your life or experience the masculine culture in which strength is rewarded and weakness is punished. Think about it from our perspective: you're out with your mates, you go to a pub, some dickhead starts talking shit to you, you talk shit back, and then he gets in your face. Now do you a) run away and probably lose all of your friends. Get laughed at and picked on and mocked by everyone you know. Be considered a 'pussy', unmasculine, submissive, etc. Or b) fight back, maybe lose, but at least show that you're willing to defend yourself, gain respect from your friends and people in general.
>>768108073
and then everyone clapped
>>768107956
it starts out looking like a snap front kick which wouldnt be able to hit much at that angle. they are often thrown for distance measuring. she then flicks her hips over and turns it into a round kick to the side of the fucking head. often with this trick, the other person will try to block the front kick which makes them drop their hands and expose their head for the round kick, but here it just happened so fast other bitch couldnt react
>>768108058
Most do boxing. One does MMA & brags about it all the fucking time. Tbh it felt pretty good seeing him go down from one punch from some skinny chav, all that training for nowt
>>768107808
>run away
HOW CAN YOU RUN AWAY IF YOU'RE ON THE FUCKING GROUND PUTTING SOMEONE IN AN ARMBAR? THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT.
>>768108182
robbers:
2 (apparently russian) fucktards trying to steal the handbag off a young girl (14ish). one cop has seen it and actually highfived me for the knockout.
>>768104774
Fucking retard we're talking about self defense what are you supposed to say alright random stranger kick my ass because I don't want to get brain damage. I hope you get herpes you retarded fuck.
>>768105896
I'm actually quite surprised at how much hostility this brought up. Seriously, can't you people just talk without getting riled?
>Prison does not equals fighting experience
Never said it did. What I did say was that you would pick someone from prison that DID. Someone with a lot of practical experience.
>People who train daily are more likely to be good at something than people who don't
If you're a prison enforcer, I'd imagine you'd be training a lot. And people who have been in many fights are likely to have a lot of experience. Do you really think that someone who's been in 50 actual, real fights has *nothing* to teach you at all?
>Prison is not a good environment to develop teaching abilities
Didn't say it did. But, that doesn't mean that they are incapable of teaching anything. Don't be short-changing these folks.
>Surviving prison has more to do with social skills and standing than it does with being a good fighter
Never said it did. Again, you would pick someone who does have a lot of experience fighting.
>Specifically finding a person who has been to prison to save money on your training is a bad idea because prison has nothing to do with being a good fighter, and it's also a bit insulting to trainers and ex cons in general
What's insulting is that you assume prisoners have nothing to offer. I'd much rather trust the instruction of an ex-con who's been in many fights than some of these other schools that teach kids self-confidence.
>If you went to prison because of fighting, you either have little control over your emotions or little control over your body
It's true about the emotions, but not so much about the body. If you're an enforcer-type, you probably work out and train a lot. What else do you have to do in prison?
>People who have been to prison are statistically less trustworthy
True, I've already conceded that point.
>>768103447
Any MA helps... You'll be fit... and accustomed to receiving punches in the face and still be able to think clearly...
On the other hand... All combat sports cripple your killer instinct bcause its only a Sport... Choose a brutal art... Suffer while training, be smart on the street... And run like a bitch if you can
>>768108304
you don't need to be rich nor wear a gay leather cape and a cat mask to help people, you know...
>>768108219
not OP but ive actually met Sagat. He still occasionally teaches MT in Thailand
>>768108473
yeah but it helps
>>768107912
in that case I would use my shuriken to fuck your eyeballs
>>768103447
Wrestling, BJJ, Boxing, Muay-Tai, or wrap that all up in MMA (if you have a gym around you) are the only ones worth taking. The rest are bullshit. I wrestled and boxed and it has paid off for me numerous times. There's also Krav Maga, which is highly effective, but I'd only reach into that bag if you feel like your life is in danger because that shit does not fuck around.
>>768108540
capoeira aint that bad either btw
>>768108632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U60da38UXUY
>>768103447
all martial arts can potentially work in a street fight. You just need to spar and fight and see which techniques actually work in those situations. Some Aikido techniques might not work as well as some BJJ techniques wont. Discard the techniques that dont work. Keep the ones that do.
>>768108671
aint 90% of capoeira roundhouse kicks?
>>768103447
Martial arts, like with any sport, is more about challenging yourself than about being able to kick everyone’s ass on the planet. Most “martial arts masters” know little about actual fighting.
I’m not in any way a martial arts expert. But I found through experience, there's a right way to approach fighting.
The obstacle most people encounter is getting over their fear of being hit. You’ve seen it a million times in fighting vids. The fighter who gets hit first basically panics; that’s usually the beginning of the end for him.
Martial arts may help a bit, but what really helps is hard-wiring your brain with a strategy that - even if you get hit and start to struggle - enables you to have enough presence of mind to not stop thinking about where you are and what you need to do. Obviously, learning how to do that doesn’t happen overnight.
Here's my plainspoken advice about fighting:
>you’re probably going to get hit
>you need to get over your fear of getting hit
>always cheat: this guy wants to hurt you; therefore, there are no rules
>I don’t just mean groin punches and eye-gouges
>pull their clothes over their head to blind them, bite, shove handfuls of dirt into their mouth or eyes, if you’re wrestling and can get your hand down their pants, grab their junk and squeeze and twist it hard
>there are parts of the human body that you can attack and cause acute pain/major damage with relatively little force
>knowing this, know that the person will usually stop attacking you once you’ve caused severe hurt; use this opportunity to run away
>don’t ever wait for the cops
>watch your 6 if he has friends (most companions tend to get angry once they see you’re a dirty fighter)
>if the guy is far enough away from you and/or you can avoid the fight entirely by running away, then run away; risking physical injury in order to “prove yourself” is dumb
I recommend author Marc MacYoung for further reading on the subject of fighting.
>>768108540
Agree... Boxing is a good base. Add some muay thai legwork and grappling as complement and youll be on the right track
>>768108632
capoeira lmao
u wanna dance faggot?
hey boys give me help to learn how to fight normies
>>768103447
Sumo wrestling has got it all. Try that
>>768108729
there's the popular and by far most common capoeria, which is just a fancy dance. then there's the real capoeria. that was actually used by slaves in brazil and that stuff is alright but basically just a better form of tkd.
>>768103867
>ex-con
>con
"hey man, ill give you 200 dollars to teach me how to fight"
"sure man, gimme that dollar first"
>money handed over
>BOOM
knocked out on floor
"first rule, never hand over money to strangers"
It really just depends on the emphasis and experience of the instructors. I've studied two forms of karate, one was shit, but the other was taught by ex military concerned with what is likely to happen in a real life encounter. I have a wrestling background, but learned not to rely on going to the ground MMA style because of the likelihood of getting knifed in the back by someone else. We preach maximum damage (no rules) in the minimum time. Also, most involved also concealed carry
>>768104222
checked
It is useless if you don't take your opponent down with the first strike. Once you take a Karate guy to the ground they're fucked. BJJ is the only useful single style, but even that isn't totally effective, watch the Royce Gracie v. Matt Hughes fight. Royce is a BJJ fucking GOD, but Matt still fucked him up because he was skilled in many aspects of fighting.
>>768108073
>me
Nice fake dipshit
>>768108903
There's a video out there somewhere of fight about tostar between a boxer and a capoeria guy.
Capoeria guy starts off by showing. Being guy lands one good hit before the fight has a chance to go further
Fights over instantly!
Capoeria guy didn't protect his head, not part of it looks like. Bad idea.
>>768108058
Nice fake story dipshit
>>768103447
Striking is important... but a fundamental base is more important. Learn how to wrestle, Learn how to take people down, and how to defend urself from being taken down. If you can control where the fight goes you tend to have the advantage. Be it stand or on the ground. once you have a good wresting base. BJJ & fluid striking should b the next step.
>>768103447
It's really simple, start with boxing (any kind of boxing will do, but muay thai may be the best one) and then add Krav Maga to it (or another similar self-defence martial art)
Krav Maga is definitely what's the most effective, especially if you are not physically strong. The issue, as another Anon pointed out, is that it heavily relies on fighting dirty, and you can't just kick anyone who comes at you in the fucking groin. There are many situations where you cannot or do not want to go all out, and Krav does not really prepare you to that. Also if the first thing you try to do in a fight is a dirty trick and you miss it or anything unforeseen happens, you can get yourself actually killed
Boxing will teach you how to deal with those situations, by being able to "fairly" but still efficiently knock people out. Then, the day you get into serious trouble and feel like you need to fight for your life, you will have your Krav Maga training
My 2 cents
>>768109196
you're probably thinking of the scene from never back down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5eqNp8eYp0
>>768108211
> I can attest
Oh a testicle. You're nuts.
>>768109431
Ooops, yes I didn't know it was from a movie. Ugh.
Lol oh well, never mind.
Yeah it works if no weapons are involved of course. Just go to mma classes and focus on boxing, muy thai, wrestling, and ju jitsu.
>>768103447
nigga just watch anime thatll teaCH YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED
>>768105441
Because life isn't an '80's fight movie.
Gangsters and criminals don't generally fight each other with any semblance of legitimate method or style. Furthermore, anything they would teach you would more than likely be illegal is certain places, such as using a weapon against an unarmed assailant.
Most criminals, if not all criminals do not use actual fighting techniques, but instead use weapons, or overwhelming force, like outnumbering and ganging up on someone.
Robbers, muggers, etc. use shock and threats to get what they want, not kung fu.
Gangbangers use extreme violence, and most of the time it's just a crap shoot as to who will actually come out on top, specifically because you have a bunch of dudes, all untrained (that's the key word here) in any fighting technique throwing fists, blades, whatever, and someone inevitably pulls a gun. Generally who ever gets the jump on the other guys is coming out on top in that situation.
It's not that you're 100% wrong about ex cons possibly knowing how to fight, but it's not because they're ex cons that they know that.
More likely, they took martial arts classes in prison.
Which sort of makes your point moot.
2 cents on practical self defense. Never go to the ground unless you KNOW there are no other threats in the area. Ground fighting is fun, but best left for orginaized fights
>>768103447
I bought a set of tapes from an infomercial a long time ago from Master Tsai. The infomercial was hosted by Danny Bonaduci. The methods are mostly defense. My interpretation is that no one has the right to fuck with me and if a throat punch or eye gouge is going to stop it then that's that. The videos are still out there and there's some of his stuff on youtube
>>768109292
Got a gym close to where I live which teaches only two martial arts : savate (a French form of kickboxing) and krav maga
I feel like that's the kind of training anyone who want to learn how to defend themselves should seek : kickboxing for knowing how to fight like a decent human being, and self defence for being confident in your ability to fuck stronger people up if you really need to
>>768103722
gimme something i can read you stupid faggot
>>768107956
I think it requires some mental prepwork.. One or two pushkicks then this poweranger kick
Might work aasdfghkl
>>768103447
I did both karate and MMA. Of the 2 MMA is way more useful, you learn a lot of good technical strikes, basic self-defence and move on to a lot of technical ground fighting/ grappling later. Karate was good for learning basic strikes and some cool throws when I was younger but in most fights it's wildly impractical. 9/10 times a fight will end up on the ground and the guy with the background in MMA/ wrestling (or sometimes just the guy who weighs more) will win in that situation. Shit like judo and jiu jitsu is for people who have mastered combat and can actually pull off a tornado kick or flying some kick in a conflict. Unless you're a natural born Bruce Lee, leave that alone for now
>>768110487
please see >>768109958
and >>768109059
>>768109919
Sort of the same as the movie version of the Old West vs the real thing.
In the real Old West, if you wanted to kill someone, you didn't face off against him in a quick draw contest in the middle of town, you sneaked up behind the guy and shot him in the back.
>>768109919
If only Patrick Swayze were still alive.
>>768110735
This.
>>768103447
>>768103447
I did both karate and MMA. You learn a lot of good technical strikes, basic self-defence and move on to a lot of technical ground fighting/ grappling later. Karate was good for learning basic strikes and some cool throws when I was younger but in most fights it's wildly impractical. 9/10 times a fight will end up on the ground and the guy with the background in MMA/ wrestling (or sometimes just the guy who weighs more) will win in that situation. Shit like judo and jiu jitsu is for people who have mastered combat and can actually pull off a tornado kick or flying some kick in a fight. Unless you're a natural born Bruce Lee, leave that alone for now. Everyone who is saying MMA is for octofags and there are no rules in street fights have probably never been in a fight because most people will either try to box or wrestle you and MMA will fuck someone right up who doesn't expect kicking/ choke holds.
>>768111009
Hypothetical do you think Bruce Lee would get his ass kicked by Ronda Rousey
>>768112375
...
bitch that better be bait
>>768112472
No it's a serious question since everyone says kung Fu is just flashy dance fighting
>>768103447
Do kickboxing instead.
No need to do a spinning flying backflip when you can lead to give and recieve an ass beating.
>>768104222
Learned how to block a cross and make people look silly when I parry them.
>>768113480
You'd get your ass kicked by anyone with a brain cell or two with your gay dance fighting
>>768103447
Hey anon! Go for Krav maga, judo or boxing!
>>768103447
They can help in a way, but don't expect it to be like in the movies where they counter someone knock out three opponents with one kick and backflip and knock 28 people out.
I've done Karate for roughly 3 years now just because I needed something to keep me interested in life plus I was slowly becoming a fat shit so it seemed like something fun to do. The idea behind a lot of moves is completely different in actual practice, a lot of the time it's just adapting each move for actual use in potential combat. The first thing my instructor told us when we started is about numbers, he said "If there's three or more opponents, don't try and fight, just run" - If you can't escape, then he spoke about moving enough to bring your opponents into a position where only one can attack at one time.
Just pick a martial art and do it, there isn't really any one martial art that is superior to all the rest.
>>768103447
I'm a Taekwon-Doka myself and I think I hold up pretty well in a street fight. Be sure to be taught the proper way, which is ITF Taekwon-Do instead of WTF Taekwon-Do.
>>768106513
ITF is way better than WTF, ITF is also how Gen. Choi-Hong Hi had wanted it.
MMA. It is the most complete martial art, as there is no true “complete” martial art. (I would define complete as being able to using everything at your disposal, such as Car antennae’s, broken beer bottles, etc.)
If this is a real street fight and someone is trying to kill you, you are trying to kill them back. Survival is your top priority.
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