Why do people blindly support space exploration. Realistically, what benefits does it bring? How has anything that NASA has accomplished actually impacted your or anyone else's life.
I've heard this question asked before, but most replies has uniformly been along the lines of "It adds to the sum of human knowledge" or some shit. That sounds like a bullshit cop-out and a more fancy way of saying "We just do it because we can".
Whenever someone questions the reasoning behind this blind advancement, they're labeled a luddite or a caveman in the same fervor that people have while defending vaccination or similar topics.
Is is really worth it to spend billions of dollars just to shoot shit into space? Are we better off now that we know there's water on Mars? Perhaps it would be better if that money could be put into something that will help people or better the country.
I know this is bait but the only reason youre shit posting at 2am on a cellphone is because we shot random shit into space.
>>768085158
Its welfare for space niggers. Fuck off now.
"Whaaa! Why does exploration matter? Whaaa"
>lives in a new world that was unknown just centuries ago
>>768085417
/thread
>>768085158
asteroid mining you stupid baitposting faggot.
>>768085417
winning with one sentence
>>768085158
I agree. What's your background (job/education/etc)?
Random people cheering when the Tesla car made it into orbit; what's the meaning of this? I understand joy at the success if they've been involved in the engineering or production or something. But why do ordinary people give a shit so zealously?
>>768085607
Is the new world better than the old world.
>>768085417
>>768085158
Creating things that work well in 0 gravity has a lot of utility, it also makes us think harder about how things can better funation on the surface.
>>768085158
One day, maybe soon, maybe millions of years from now, humans will not be able to survive on this Earth. We're going to need to find a way off this rock eventually. Keeping our heads to the ground and focusing on the next best way to drill oil is just going to lead us to extinction.
>>768085841
I'm just a student. I was gonna add something about that Tesla car shit but didn't know how to word it properly. I think ordinary people are so depressed with modernity that they are clinging to the hope that Elon and NASA are gonna make real life into Star Wars or something.
>>768085890
Depends. Imagine all the people in the united states all living in Europe with the eurofags already living there. Sound awful? Yeah, it would have been.
>>768085158
Memory foam mattresses, GPS and Tang. That's enough to justify the billions we've sent.
But seriously now, someday we're going to have to leave this shithole of a planet and long before that happens we'll be needing additional resources that can only come from space. Spending the time and money figuring this shit out now prepareds us for later so we're not caught with our pants down.
>>768086002
That is an extremely idealistic and hopeful point of view. Do you sincerely believe that humans will be here millions of years from now? If anything, whatever exists during that time ( if anything ) will be some trans-humanist amalgamation.
Even if we found a way to outrun entropy, only a select few of "individuals" would be the ones escaping. As previously mentioned, these individuals will not be human, at least in the regard that we think. The rest of us will be stuck on a depleted, dying rock within our global favelas.
Your tax money goes to the survival of the descendants of the 1%.
>>768085158
At space lab, the scientists/astronauts went on a strike cause the working time was to strikt and than NASA created flexible working hours. The recognized that this betters the productivity and this is why many jobs on earth got flexible working hours. Thank you NASA.
>>768085158
Gee idk, maybe because nearly every technological advancement since the end of the cold war can be attributed to technologies that were originally developed for space exploration.
>>768085841
combination of a few things cause people to cheer for shit like that.
1 - it gives one the idea that humanity is making progress into the great unknown territory of space travel. harkens back to the golden age of sail.
2 - rednecks drinking beer fucking love to see flaming shit fly into the sky
3 - motherfucker put a goddamn car with a dummy in space that has direct references to both Douglas Adams and the cult classic Heavy Metal. sci fi nerds eat that shit up.
>>768085158
satelites
i hope i don't have to say more
>>768086237
Same thing the other guy said. My reply is the same.
>>768086340
>>768085417
First response best response
>>768086391
As I have asked before, Is this technology good? A lot of people are citing "satellites" as a perfect justification for space travel. Yet one forgets what these technologies have done to restrain and harm man, throwing him deeper into the well of modernity.
Most people like to remember the good and forget the bad. This is not good for the future.
>>768085158
>innovations in engineering and science which expand our capabilities elsewhere terrestrially
>orbital presence for communications and telemetry
>eventual orbital construction, mining, and research centers
>lunar presence for potential mining or deep-space launch bases
>hopefully one day more true habitats off this vulnerable one-shot rock
it's the way forward, and should at least be weighed against investment in other technologies and efforts on our surface in terms of net long-term benefit
Or you're just really, really stupid
If you don't think that launching a roadster aboard the heaviest carrying payload rocket ever that also lands itself is amazing and a great feat of technology and innovation, get the fuck outta mu face
>>768086749
"hopefully one day more true habitats off this vulnerable one-shot rock"
We'll just be running to another vulnerable one-shot rock. No amount of mining stations or Dyson Spheres or whatever can prevent entropy. We'll just constantly be outrunning the inevitable. Instead of focusing on the true advancement of man we'll be worrying about preserving something that isn't destined to be preserved.
>>768085158
This is bait obvs.
But I'm going to explain anyway.
We have to advance space exploration and especially space travel to conquer the massive overpopulation and resource shortcomings of the future. We need another planet to rape.
>>768086507
So what course of action do you think we should take then? If we completely kill NASA and tell space to fuck off our global communications networks will crumble pretty fast, we'll halt the sort of research that results in things like superior materials out of which we can build cars and skyscrapers, I could go on with other examples. And I argue that even exploration for exploration's sake is a valid reason to do it anyway. Humans, by our very nature, are curious about the world around us and beyond. We're full of questions about what's out of our reach and evert time we successfully drop a rover on another world or send a probe past a dwarf planet we learn a shitload of stuff and always, every single time, have our preconceived notions about that object proven false in some way. Gaining knowledge is a noble pursuit and spending 1/200th or less per year on it as we do on preparations for war is WELL worth it.
>>768085158
NASA doesnt impact lives
>tempurpedic
bam worth
>>768087041
But 1 +1 is 2. Occupying two one shot rocks vastly increases our chances of survival versus just the one because knowing when one or the other is obliterated will lead us to find a 3rd, if we haven't already.
/thread
>>768087011
I ask yet again, what the fuck is the point.
If I was the guy who helped shoot it into space, I'd be pretty happy with myself. But what was the point? Nothing changed and nothing will be better because of it.
If a bunch of people work really hard to launch a ball of shit into space, is it something worth celebrating? Sounds like there are better things that money could have went into.
>>768085158
What benefits space exploration brings to the table of man:
Understanding of local space outside of Earth.
Undestanding of its natural satellite, the Moon.
Understanding the cosmological history of Earth.
Understanding the other various bodies in the solar system.
Understanding the supporter of life, the morning star, the Sun.
Understanding of nearby star systems, and the fact that there are other celestial bodies like that of the Sun.
Understanding of the composition of matter in the solar system.
Understanding of what role that matter played and plays in the solar system.
The ability to learn more about relatively close bodies that we could ever reach using current technology, such as phenomenon associated with Jupiter.
A new environment to understand.
A new environment to test technology within.
A new environment to test biology within.
A new environment that poses unique challenges not found in Earth-like environments.
Familiarity and experience in the better launching and maintenance of communications equipment (satellites) in Earth orbit.
>>768085158
An understanding of poor planning when it comes to launching and maintaining communications equipment.
An understanding of the physics involved regarding orbits.
An ability to perceive, study, and monitor Earth from a place that we are not usually afforded.
An opportunity to develop the experience and techniques necessary to operate powerful telescopes outside of the Earth atmosphere, producing far clearer and more information-laden results to analyze.
Being able to detect and observe solar activity, harmful or otherwise.
Being able to detect potentially harmful near-Earth objects and determine how they interact with the environment.
An incentive for some to innovate and develop technologies, practices, techniques, and understanding that would otherwise not come in the absence of needing to deliver a payload beyond the atmosphere of the planet and around that of another body, successfully. With minimal computational power.
Opportunities to access more resources beyond the planet itself.
Development of technologies that tend to serve more roles planetside.
A perspective that serves as a worthwhile sink for human desire, curiosity, creativity, determination, imagination, and the like, in the face of soul-crushing silence and existential angst.
The simultaneous understanding of how unwelcoming space is, served as a soul-crushing reality check, reinforcing the idea of self-sustenance and a lack of any real, abundant "Plan B" scenarios.
To make OP mad.
>>768087137
>>768087197
Ha! I said both of these 20 minutes ago.
>>768087137
I don't even know anyone who owns a tempurpedic. I had forgot that brand existed until you mentioned it.
>>768087041
>Instead of focusing on the true advancement of man
OK, I'll bite. What exactly do you consider to be the true advancement of man?
>>768087268
Literally none of this shit helps humanity at all. Most of that first post was just pseudo philosophical bullshit. What's the point of understanding something if it is never going to help us, even if we do understand it?
>>768085417
how do you know he is on a cell?
>>768087442
"the combination of ruthless warrior pride and artistic brilliance"
pic related
>>768087539
You're thinking too short term. Doing the work now to get our feet into space is going to help pretty damned soon in the form of asteroid mining, which will easily be a reality within our lifetimes (and probably within two decades) followed pretty quickly by mining the moon for He3 which will be one of the dominant fuels to power the energy needs of the second half of the 20th century and beyond. Those two things alone will be tangible useful results of space exploration.
>>768087539
An ability to perceive, study, and monitor Earth from a place that we are not usually afforded allows us to map out all kinds of geological activity, weather patterns, localized disasters, atmospheric contents, and more. Let alone study it. Let alone, predict it. An understanding of the physics involved regarding orbits bolsters physics, dummy. So does an opportunity to develop the experience and techniques necessary to operate powerful telescopes outside of the Earth atmosphere, on top of aiding chemistry, cosmology, biology, and more. Being able to detect and observe solar activity alone indicates an ability to study an ongoing fusion reactor, of its kind, the only one we can get remotely close to. That which is also directly responsible for whether you are around to shitpost.
>What's the point of understanding something if it is never going to help us
Every point in there contributes to human society and narrative. Some immediately, some in the near future, and some a long way down the line. Astronomy isn't philosophy, nor is it a farce. Astronomy told you the Sun is big. Astronomy told you which was was North. Don't give credence to the idea that you're too dumb to realize that.
>>768087195
Literally just running away endlessly from our fates. I'd rather accept our destiny then dedicate the rest of time running from it.
>>768085708
Literally came here to say this
>>768087716
Is this more of the psuedo philisophical bullshit >>768087539 was talking about? Looks pretty pointless compared to the flag MTV planted on the moon.
>>768085158
NASA helped create Teflon. So that helps sorta if you suck at cooking.
>>768087868
Sorry, I was watching two mayflies mate because they were programmed to.
>>768085158
>space exploration
Do you know how fucking stupid you sound? The jury's still out on whether or not space exists in the first place.
>>768087868
So you'd rather just sit and die than put forth the effort to survive? You're not very good at being human.
>>768087868
Just kill yourself then if it is all pointless, if ALL we're doing is evade the inevitable.
>>768085158
Honest answer is because it’s really fucking cool. You really don’t ever just look at the sky and wonder what the fuck is going on? Also >>768085417 by for you
>>768087926
One of these things will result in the over industrialization and enslavement of humanity.
One may result in us becoming something better than human, by natural methods and in a way that nature intended.
Even if the Earth dies before it's ever realized, I'd still want humanity to strive for it.
>>768087998
Hah, you believe in juries.
>>768087998
Space totally exists. Captain Kirk told me it's the final frontier.
>>768085158
What a narrow minded idiot you are.
Please don't ever reproduce.
>>768086340
I'd invest in a trans-human amalgamation. It would be the only logical maxim of the human mode of existence that was once on Earth. I can't argue against that, and I have no problem with it.
>>768088014
Sitting here on my home planet, living healthy and dying the way nature intended it, sounds much better than becoming a part of whatever lifeless industrialized society that space exploration will bring.
>>768088279
You will not be the trans-human amalgamation, that I can promise. This will be reserved for the "in-group".
>>768088112
No, it's just a bunch of bullshit. Playing mindgames with yourself to convince yourself you're a better person isn't half as useful as launching a nigger into space.
>>768088309
If you're so concerned about avoiding lifeless industrialized societies you should get the fuck off the internet.
Funding NASA and similar agencies is for the purpose of developing technology which might have practical applications for humans. That's the way they sell it to politicians who vote on budgets.
The same thing happened a lot faster in WWII; war is less accelerating today because we're beating up on dumb sandniggers, but national cyber security is getting better exclusively because sandniggers use the internet to plan their moves. We developed electric computers exclusively to get them to operate on complex Nazi encryption. Space creates environmental problems to research, no need for killing. Best of all would be to kill Russians, but they could bomb us, so we develop missile shields.
People who talk about exploring space as a practical benefit in itself are taken in by the mythology of space opera.
The mythology is useful too because it sells social concepts to people. Tesla sending a car into space has been the greatest BTFO to anti-capitalists so far this century. Communists, like everyone else, are also mesmerized by space, and if the private sector gets us there faster and better than the government could have, the communists will have less to stand on. That's just for example, economics is not the only debate entangled in space.
>>768088163
Yeah dude I'm narrow minded for going against the grain and thinking this circle jerk is retarded.
>>768088434
Can you explain why it's useful?
>>768088366
Yes, that's the point. I'm not paying for me. Early man was not dying in tar pits with me in mind. Two amphibious creatures were not mating and swimming away from predators with me in mind. It was just their natural inclination. Their biological function. Likewise, I'm not investing in the future for myself. I'm exactly investing in the future for that very entity. The difference here, from the proto-fish or early man, is that I can consider what I'm investing in to some vaguely effectual degree. Like investing in the future for children that are and aren't my own, because one of them is still going to produce another child. That decision or impulse that serves the entity's potential existence isn't then necessarily predicated on furthering my distinct genetics. Or even my consciousness.
>>768088309
The way nature intended? You wanna start living in the woods naked then?
We are explorers and adventurers by nature. Space is a great frontier waiting for us to conquer it.
>>768088567
Read the rest of the thread. How many times do we have to tell you satellites n shit are handy before you nod your head and just eat your astronaut icecream already?
>>768088599
That would be ideal.
>>768088699
We may soon enter it more than the big toe in the pool we've managed so far, but we'll never conquer it. There's just too much of it. It's called the vastness of space for a reason.
>>768088859
Ideal but impractical and you're already too soft and spoiled to do so effectively.
>>768088913
I'm sure someone once said that very thing about earth.
>>768085158
Because in millions or billions of years when the planet becomes older we will want to move to a new planet that is inhabitable to further the human race. Being optimistic here
>>768088795
Shit that has expanded the ability of humans to expand over large distances (cars, planes, GPS) have allowed jobs to locate themselves farther from preferable living areas and condense them into cities.
Instead of being able to walk to work, advancements in technology have changed society in a way that forces people to drive an hour and a half to get there (if they refuse to box themselves into a city).
Fuck satellites.
>>768088950
That's the unfortunate truth. And it's going to continue getting worse and man will continue getting softer and more spoiled as this shit continues.
>>768088989
The difference being that Earth has a clearly defined size. Space is infinite. It's pretty impossible to conquer that which does not end.
>>768089131
It does end its just expanding
>>768088996
Call me a hippie but I don't like the idea of planet hopping for eternity while sucking them of resources like they're a cheap whore.
What better thing to spend resources on? If I was in charge I'd let all the loser poor people starve and put all the welfare money into NASA and also building massive statues of shit.
>>768089206
Yeah but in like 100 years they reckon they might have the moon and mars colonized so we can go there for trips and shit that would be cool
>>768085158
founding a cool rock on moon and some galaxy pictures seems useless if stopping all spacerelated shit for even 1 year could end world hunger, imagine the space budget globally, how much crap they pretend to do.
>>768089131
And so whatever becomes of humanity will have an endless road of space to attempt to futilely conquer, if that's what they decide. Something to do while they're all dying, like always.
>>768086715
Nigga wat
>>768089206
And theres so many planets out there i dont think it really matters
>>768089055
If that's a problem for you you can choose to live closer to work. For others it is not some huge philisophical issue. They work that far from home because it is more profitable for them. One thing all this modern technology gives us that we didn't have in the days your romanticizing is choice. We can choose where we live,. We can choose to eat cuisine fron halfway around the world and we can choose to pick up our phone and talk to a friend in another country because of the advancements that you seem to despise. I find it quite ironic as well, that you're using the very technology you appear to hate to talk about how you hate it.
>>768089131
You don't need to touch everything to conquer it. No country would be conquered at that.
>>768089278
No denying that it would be cool. I just don't like the eventual outcome and byproducts.
>>768089181
If it ends wtf is on the other side? $10 says more space.
>>768089101
No I mean just you. That primitive technology guy is doing pretty well for himself.
>>768089055
Our controllers will eventually find a way to abolish work through technological progress, or better distribute opportunities through cities (America is too big for this to be happening already, but northern Europe shows what it looks like, hopefully without immigrants all over), or they will find a way to enslave us without allowing revolution. Anyway, if technology continues to progress then you won't have to deal with those inconveniences at some point.
>>768089423
No one knows what space is expanding in yet
>>768089267
Sounds like India or China.
>>768089328
The space budget is couch change compared to what's stent on the military. If you're going to run around axing government waste start there. We don't need to be blowing the billions a year we do protecting kikestan, for instance.
>>768085158
>heyy dumbs, go in shit, look at this!!!
>>768089331
Life is thee to be lived, It's not a video game that needs to be beaten. We'll be traveling the cosmos to live, not to crush them.
>>768089381
"I find it quite ironic as well, that you're using the very technology you appear to hate to talk about how you hate it."
Yeah dude I admit I own a fucking computer to talk to people. Doesn't mean I have to support huge globalization and modernizing of society. Are you implying I should be using quill and ink or smoke signals to get my message across? If that's the truth then our message is entirely fucked.
People shouldn't be forced to live in cities. Many cannot afford to live in more rural areas and are forced to immerse themselves in the system just to make due.
>>768089577
Who are you to say that? I don't know the future.
ITT dumb pieces of shit who think when the govt spends billions on space exploration we actually send the money into space where it's lost. The money is spent on research and industry and is basically a government cash injection into the economy dumbasses. The actual material value of the rocket is nothing.
>>768085417
OP BTFO
>>768089055
>cars
>planes
>development and resultant infrastructure at all related to space flight
Nigga wat
>>768089606
>People shouldn't be forced to live in cities. Many cannot afford to live in more rural areas and are forced to immerse themselves in the system just to make due.
And how is not sending shit into space supposed to accomplish this? Your ideal vision and your disdain for space exploration don't really seem so compatible to me.
>>768089692
I'm obviously talking about satellites, as I mentioned at the end of the post.
>>768089606
Meanwhile people in Africa are living your dream in their technology free world where mosquito burgers and walking miles for water exist.
>>768085158
Fuck you, I want to know what's out there.
>>768089606
You sound like you don't enjoy where you live or work. Seems like you should rethink your life.
>>768089764
No, you're talking about the increase in travel, known to be the result of the increasing prevalence of the car, not GPS and other satellite tech. GPS didn't become a common thing until decades later and satellite communications have never been relevant relative to the wired backbone of the internet. Your premise is false and so is your conclusion, dipshit.
>>768089855
Africa is a shithole because the people who live there made it that way. Cocaine fueled child death squads and tribal warfare. A weird mixture of modernity and old mysticism coupled together lead to a resource barren mass of death and dirt.
I think it's fair to say that people living in Europe before the Industrial Revolution were having a slightly better time.
>>768085158
The stuff we create attempting to explore space is usually used to great effect in the civilian and military sectors, such as velcro and your cell phone and whatever the fuck else. Also because eventually we're going to run out of resources on Earth (or at very least room to put people) and the only chance for our species to continue is if we find new planets to colonize
>>768089606
>Many cannot afford to live in more rural areas
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
>>768089957
Alright well if GPS isn't relevant to anything major then I guess I'm correct in saying that it's overall useless.
>>768090029
This kind of rural.
>>768090104
MOOOOOVE
THOOOOOOSE
GOALPOOOOOSTS
>>768090156
That's a suburb. You seem like the product of inner-city education. Do you have a GED?
>>768089968
You mean in the time of catholicism fueled french death squads and feudal warfare?
Amish, shakers, quakers, and Portugal are all pretty nice, though.
>>768089968
>I think it's fair to say that people living in Europe before the Industrial Revolution were having a slightly better time.
You just guessing? A male my age at that point in time is probably going to be forced to fight for whoever is ruling my ass.
>>768089606
No one is being coerced at gunpoint to live in a city and sing praises of clean water for Big Water. No one is being forced to not innovate and move healthcare infrastructure outside of a city. You know, you could do just that if you had a workforce of automated workers, systems, and power generation. The means of which is interfacing with the system you abhor, and taking from it what it did not own. The price to pay for a life where you must now gather all that is placed in your lap, that is afforded to you because of your membership by association and participation, is clearly high. So, yes, it is no easy task to decide to leave your things at home and go live in the sticks. Duh, there's nothing around because no one built it. Yet.
Meanwhile, while you'll argue that it's absurd to imply that you're to abolish your computer for your message of technology and modernization destroying humanity, you'll seemingly ignore the fact that technology is neither evil no good on its own. Use of that technology, the users of the technology in question, determines what is apparently good or evil. So cities regularly employ use of plumbing technology and waste management. The nature of them doing that is far more multifaceted than "because they're a virus" or "because they hold all the power". Just like you really shouldn't have to go back to using smoke signals to communicate because you don't support excessive globalization.
But, just saying, literally not supporting excessive globalization or modernization of society is, in fact, outright rejecting it. You're supporting the message of using a computer and the information highway's infamous social network to communicate the idea of not doing so. While you really shouldn't have to, being pedantic, it is really what one would do if they felt that strongly about it. Which, clearly, you're making some exceptions, because this isn't as black and white for you. Or so I've gathered.
>>768090285
Don't act like you wouldn't rather live in Europe than Africa.
>>768090371
Sometimes Africa seems more appealing.
>>768085158
i had the same thought early today,
why are we worried about whats in space if there is no way to get any intrinsic value other than information. its not like we can all go there. the only place we can ever live is on Earth.
>>768085158
studying space gives us more understanding where we came from. and how everything that exists today was formed.
>>768090469
What else do you get intrinsic value from?
>>768090371
I'd rather not live in the 1700s at all.
>>768085158
there is life out there stupid and where trying to conquer them all. were living out Marvel's comic book storied right now.
>>768090516
Gold
>>768090601
There's gold on them meteors m8
>>768090601
You can't find gold in all the space junk orbiting the planet right now?
>>768090601
>>768090631
>>768090642
Let's just wait for the discovery of near-surface gold deposits on Mars.
>>768090371
i'm form Africa and its more Beautiful than anywhere else.
>>768090469
And the only way Yerpeens were able to leave yerp was to develop some bigassed boats and sail them half way around the world. Just because you can't see the end of the road from where you stand is no reason not to start the journey. If that philosophy were followed mankind would still be living in caves and wearing animal skins.
>>768086445
drunk redneck reporting in. can confirm #2
>>768090631
i know and every element known to man. but there is no way we can get anything like that to come to earth. so what if there is gold what the fuck we gonna do with it bring it to earth and make Rapers jewelry with it?
>>768090697
Even if there were millions of gold bars just sitting on the surface of Mars the cost of sending rockets there and back to retrieve them would be a losing proposition. This even holds true if those gold bars were on the moon, which is thousands of times closer.
>>768086340
Investing in the future will always be investing in uncertainty. Why not have a plan b for when shit hits the fan? It may be millions of years from now, it may be in a 100. The survival of our species should be mutual goal, no?
It's like having a fire escape route in your home. Hopefully you'll never use it, and even with it you may not survive a fire, but that doesn't make it a waste of money imo.
And like others have already pointed out, it's a continuation from our sailing exploration days. It brought immense advancements in all areas of human knowledge. And it made white people rich, so all good in my book
>>768090812
>gold has intrinsic value
>fuck we gonna do with it
Lolwat
You are right about not being able to get inanimate objects to come on command though.
>>768088567
One less nigger around, numbnutz
>>768090812
>but there is no way we can get anything like that to come to earth
Darn, we'll never get dust from the Moon back to Earth. Scrap the mission, go home to your wives.
>>768090853
>the cost of sending rockets there and back to retrieve them would be a losing proposition
Did you know that a small fusion-thruster-powered rocket could cut the travel time from Earth to Mars in half? It would do wonders for a trip from the Earth to the Moon. That's just one way in which the cost of sending a rocket there and back is drastically reduced. More thrust, less fuel use, less waste. Less time. And let's not forget the whole running practice within the privatized rocketeering, which is reusability and minimization of manufacturing costs. Imagine not fabricating another massive rocket with several boosters and stages and wasting billions just for a lone roundabout trip. Imagine reusing most of what had gotten another project into orbit to deliver 1/5th of what you'd originally had to have built yourself.
I don't for a second believe that it would not be worthwhile to establish a semi-permanent midway point between the Earth and the Moon, to obtain those magical bars on the surface of the Moon. Especially not in a scenario where you'd be hurting for circulation of viable gold in the economy, because you've used up most of what you could recycle or mine. Really. Trying to frack for gold, or develop a practice that is cost effective yet not geologically unsettling, would be far more costly than even a lone roundabout trip to obtain some million gold bars that could be recovered by unmanned probes. The only situation where it isn't viable is when you have those bars on the surface of your table at home, or when your current practices give you enough gold that you aren't drooling over images of gold bars sitting in the face of a crater. Gold costs a lot when you don't have it.
Now with the distance of Mars, I wouldn't put it past all the optimists to try to send colonists (prospectors) to man a station that remotely recovers the gold from the surface, recovers the payloads, and sends them back to Earth. Heck, automate it all and man it from here.
>>768085158
>How has anything that NASA has accomplished actually impacted your or anyone else's life.
Have you ever heard of a microwave, laser, or computer? Thank the space age for R&D, retard.
>>768091508
All of that was done many decades ago. How the fuck has NASA been improving the world for the past 20 years?
> inb4 mars rover. That shit helps no one.
>>768091508
You should probably say "thank war". War drives human "accomplishments" greater than anything else but no one is having a wank over that.
>>768091419
i'm not a dumb ass, i know e can get dust and small objects. but when were spending trillions of dollar maybe that money can be used to better life on the only Planet will ever live on cuz everything else is just to far apart for us to ever travel to.
>>768091836
Doesn't seem to do much driving these days even with $500b behind it.
>>768091141
every computer chip in the world has gold flakes on it, technology is available thanks to gold. fun
>>768085158
Do you know how fast Earth is running out of resources?
Do you have any idea how much resources are out there?
>>768092002
That's great. You just learn that?
>>768091508
the Wifi your using for 1
>>768092067
no i thought you that
>>768085158
Do you want to be the japanese when the aliens come? Meaning under teched, under developed and with a society that couldnt handle outsiders with power.
Or do you want to be the germans? Efficient, , high-tech and heavily defended?
>>768092043
Its not running out of resources that fast. There's a lot of articles that exaggerate it. Like only have 50 years worth of oil left. Lol
>>768092116
Good thinking bro.
>>768091940
There was once a time where a few new continents and islands were too far apart from us to ever travel to. And then someone did. And even then, not many people actually wanted to go there. They had to get paid or fooled into going. Or chained. The trip was too long for any sensible person, and it wasn't guaranteed.
Compare that to today.
Some of the stuff that assists Astronauts was then made publicly available for example wireless technology
>>768092155
>Lol
His last words.
>>768092155
Either way humanity is outgrowing it's planet.
>>768092310
Lol
>>768092313
Oh no you feel crowded. Guys give him some space.
>>768092389
We can't. There isn't any left.
>>768092406
Lose some weight then.
>>768092406
Sure there is. Under ground and under the sea. Much more accessible and liveable than space.
>>768092456
I'm nothing but skin and bones on the account of having to eat the roaches crawling underneath everyone's floorboards.
>>768092469
You're not wrong. But I don't think anyone in their right mind is trying to live on the ISS unshielded from cosmic radiation we don't really understand yet. Plus, developing underground or underwater presents its own challenges.
>>768085158
Space exploration means exploiting resources out of reach of human beings , if we get those resources a part of them will be used to produce goods that will used by the consumer population , among other branches.
Further more space exploration involves overcoming complex issues , you can apply the methods used to other more mundane activities that will make a plebs life easier.
>>768092564
> cosmic radiation I don't really understand
>>768092748
If we understood cosmic radiation like you're
>implying
there would literally be no discussion or problems arising from sending people to go live in space. Or the Moon. Or Mars. Or on Jupiter's moons. Or just traveling through space in a craft. And Mars has an atmosphere.
But if you've figured it all out, go tell the scientific community. Don't let me stop you.
>>768092828
If we didn't really understand it like you're
>implying
We wouldn't have people living on the ISS.
>>768092828
Go warn the scientific community if care.
>>768085158
The whole point of space exploration is to establish ourselves on other planets. Only then can we be truly free.
>>768093157
I'd imagine that one of the recent astronauts to return from the ISS was themselves part of a case study on what cosmic radiation does to human biology. Using identical twins. And the ISS isn't exactly unshielded. But it certainly isn't doing everything you'd expect a space habitat (laboratory) to be doing if its builders knew every little detail and factoid revolving around cosmic radiation. Like how to stop it. That's a fun one. How to stop cosmic radiation completely without any problem or fuss. How to sit in the Van Allen Belt unperturbed.
Yeah, we totally know how to do that.
>>768085158
Velcro
>>768085890
considering how "well" the USA are doing its kinda better
can't wait for space corn syrup tbh
>>768093418
Lol who pissed in your cheerios. You either under or over exaggerate.
>>768086715
Please provide examples or your claims will seem baseless.
>>768093680
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/2017SW001803
>These findings show the pressing need to improve upon the understanding of the space radiation risk
>predict likely clinical outcomes of interplanetary radiation exposure
>and develop appropriate and effective mitigation strategies for future missions
>over-exaggerating
The radiation contained in the Van Allen Belt can kill you if you're just carousing in it. That's one of the top reasons the ISS doesn't orbit higher than it does. Astronauts on board already get about the same radiation dosage in 6 months that any human on Earth is supposed to safely receive in a year.
>>768094759
Your mistake would be taking away the idea that we do understand it from
>understanding of the space radiation risk
A study that goes back to verify the findings of studies that happened within the decade, in less than 6 years, doesn't shut the door on the topic it focuses on. Nor did the previous studies. It even stresses that in other words. What are GCRs? Galactic Cosmic Rays. The field of cosmic radiation, within a decade, has changed to include other phenomenon and develop in its relationship to other fields and subjects such as morbidity. And there is only so much data on GCRs at this very moment. The understanding of space radiation risk, previously, wasn't comprehensive. And it's that kind of lack of comprehension that violates the definition of understanding, the noun.
And there is no reason to believe without a doubt that it's comprehensive now, because the article I linked to you was one of many that was published within the last year. If you need to improve upon your understanding of something, that should tell you how much you understand about that something. You suggesting that we understand cosmic radiation because we understood about radiation and charged particles of elements on Earth, is like you suggesting we understood quarks because we could observe polymers under a lens.
>>768086044
>>768086445
No.
>>768085841
The Tesla in space was a very successful test of the Falcon Heavy platform, which is ultimately intended to get us to Mars. It wasn't expected to go well and, aside from the central core running out of fuel and missing the drone ship, everything went off without a hitch.
This marks a bunch of firsts by a private industry, but the achievements are viewed as human accomplishment.
>>768095228
>You suggesting that we understand cosmic radiation because we understood about radiation and charged particles of elements on Earth
Lol I didn't suggest that. Not only now are you exaggerating but your also putting words in my mouth now. At least you look smart using those big words.
>>768095625
You didn't suggest that. But history did, because that's how the progression of our understanding of cosmic radiation progressed. Cosmic radiation isn't even the same as the kinds of radiation that occurs in daily life on Earth, or what was most prominent at the time of the discovery of cosmic rays. Of which, gamma rays and x-rays were included. But obviously, that wasn't everything. Hence, our understanding of cosmic radiation, now that we know that most of it doesn't even originate from the Sun, was not an actual understanding of cosmic radiation.
That's how I can prove you're pretty much baiting me. Or, mindlessly shitposting. What you did suggest, is that GCRs are completely understood, and we can do everything with them, because we really understand them and there is literally no problem with living on the ISS.
>>768095836
>What you did suggest, is that GCRs are completely understood, and we can do everything with them, because we really understand them and there is literally no problem with living on the ISS.
Lol I didn't say that either. Pretty sure you're baiting. Definitely not mindlessly shit posting, you must be thinking real hard about this. Good luck warning Elon about all the radiation "we don't really understand."
>>768096241
>I didn't say that either
>>768093157
>If we didn't really understand it like you're
>>implying
>We wouldn't have people living on the ISS
A reply to
>>768092828
>If we understood cosmic radiation like you're
>>implying
>there would literally be no discussion or problems arising from sending people to go live in space
Which was a reply to
>>768092748
>> cosmic radiation I don't really understand
Which was a reply to
>>768092564
>trying to live on the ISS unshielded from cosmic radiation we don't really understand yet
So you tell me what you were trying to imply. Because it seems exactly like you were trying to imply that my using the horse's mouth to support my comment on cosmic radiation was not understanding cosmic radiation- transitively, then, that the horse's mouth is incorrect somehow, and the horse actually knows everything it can know about cosmic radiation. In other words, you implied I don't really understand cosmic radiation, meaning [we] really understand cosmic radiation. Which means you're either comforting the belief that all we know is all there is to know, or that we know all of it, and that can be inferred from something analogous to being impossible- meaning it isn't possible for the latter to be the case.
And I ask you to define understanding then, too. For extra clarity. With regards to Musk, anyone planning to launch a human being beyond low Earth orbit is well aware of the risks involved; there's an acceptable dosage amount that hasn't gathered dust for longer than months. You don't just fire someone into a space storm. Even equipment. Voyager 2 was even affected by prolonged exposure. Even the Juno probe was affected by incredible exposure.
>>768085158
Im ok with what they've achieved so far but I would rather have all that money being spent on crispr research so that me and my offsprings wont get any genetic diseases, and maybe prolong my life.
inb4
>goverment wont let this happen
>>768096590
I think we have an understanding of cosmic radiation. It can be improved upon, much like a lot of our understandings. To say that we don't really understand it is wrong.
Is that so hard to understand?
I don't need to define understanding go open a dictionary rather than a thesaurus.
>>768097130
>I think we have an understanding of cosmic radiation
>Is that so hard to understand
>understanding
>It can be improved upon
>To say that we don't really understand it is wrong
>go open a dictionary rather than a thesaurus
I did. That's exactly why I'm asking you to tell me what it means. Because I already understand what understanding is. Don't hand-waive by implying I'm pulling words from nowhere. I asked you for a very specific reason and it's exactly why I'm adamant about you going the distance to establish to yourself something erroneous with your phrasing and use of the word understanding when you insist on continuing to use it so.
Really compare the three words you'll find.
>>768088161
Picard agrees.
>>768085417
That rekt
>>768097326
You are pulling words from nowhere though. You've done it twice to me so far. So I think I can get away with misusing a few words. I'm sure you'll understand.
>>768097685
>You are pulling words from nowhere though
Really?
>done it twice to me so far
I have? I imagine you're going to tell me I just did, because.
>So I think I can get away with misusing a few words
If that's what you're content with doing.
>>768085158
I know this is b8 but I'll answer anyway.
A lot of the benefits we're getting right now are from satellites observing weather and coordinating communication and GPS earth. Not to mention all the amazing materials they've developed such as teflon coated fiberglass. NASA developed technology for liquid cooled for suits that is used today to treat burning limb syndrome, multiple sclerosis, spinal injuries and sports injuries. NASA also developed a lightweight breathing system that firefighters use. NASA developed more structurally sound chassis designs for vehicles that have become industry standard. NASA designed robotic arms that were designed to be used on space craft are being used in operating rooms and allow surgeons to use multiple tools at once. The LVAD which helps hold heart transplant patients over and may even replace the need for a transplant was modeled after rocket engine fuel pumps. In 2000 NASA developed a new parachute system that is credited with saving over 200 civilian and military lives. NASA developed EZVI which is used to clean up ground environmental waste in a cost effective manner. NASA developed a new system of detecting cataracts earlier than ever before. NASA developed a food safety standard for food going up to space that the FDA uses a version of today. The statue of liberty and golden gate bridge have been coated with material to protect them from wear that was originally designed for launch pads.
We're also finding out a lot about biology in the human body as well as other animals and plants from observing them in 0 G which could be applied to medicine. In less than 100 years I'd expect a mission to mine platinum or some other valuable metal worth thousands of times whatever it costs to launch the rocket and bring it back. When's the last time the government funded something with 1,000,000% cash return? Or perhaps we'll set up a colony on the moon or mars and help insure against the destruction of humanity on earth.
>>768097746
Nice.
>>768097801
But in general, if you give smart people money to work on something they're passionate about they're going to churn out innovations that will help us all. So we could fund space exploration for another year or pay for a dozen tomahawk missiles to sit in a submarine to never be used.
>>768085158
> communist detected
what happens when inevitably the earth gets hit by an asteroid? or how would we get off this planet when it's finished?
space exploration has also proven and forced us to develop better technology.
shouldnt it be up to the poor people to look after themselves? do they have no authority over their own existence?
>>768086237
space pen too u forgot dat one...
>>768097997
Fisher Pen Company invested their own 1 million to develop the space pen, and both NASA and the USSR payed $2.39 per pen at the discounted rate. Civilians pay $50. Besides, it's not smart to use pencils in a space station because any stray graphite particles is very conductive and can easily short out equipment.
>>768098246
>>768097801
all thanks to nazi german scientists hail hitler
>>768085158
post more pics like this op
>>768086083
You are this retarded...
>>768085417
Perfect!
