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>>768012710
-ginning of the end. But the graph isn't right at all. Christian monasteries were scientific centers during the middle ages, mostly since monks were the only ones with both education and free time.
>>768013149
but muh richard dawkins
>>768013149
Right-o, was just about to post this. It's not the pit of ignorance that people think.
>>768012710
How much of that was bubonic plague killing a quarter of Europe?
>>768012710
Christianity isn't stopping you from exploring galaxies. The glass ceiling does.
>>768012710
Found the butthurt 15 year old atheist who just read a book.
>>768012710
you don't need to explore galaxy to know that earth is flat lol
>>768012710
this graph is not made by a scientist.
Also, talking about something that happened hundreds of years ago, is not your concern anymore. Let it go! Like those fucking black people who cannot seem ot get over slaves. Whining about slavery in the past while wearing t shirts made by children working 15 hours a day with hardly any pay.
Goddamn i hate dumb people like you.
>>768012710
Fucking believing that the dark ages actually existed, pleb.
>>768012710
How exactly is that "scientific advance" measured? I don't see any numbers on that axis either
>>768012710
>'Scientific Advance' is quantifiable is it? they can't even be arsed to use correct grammar.
Atheist from Green Bay here, fucking hate this toxic shitshow of a religion. It's complete bullshit at the end of the day. Are you seriously going to fucking tell me some bullshit fanfic from Jerusalem is actually true in any way whatsoever? Fucking sheep, man.
>>768012710
how did you know the dark ages existed if you couldn't see it in all that dark?!
>>768015188
Lol I bet you have tons of friends
>>768015310
Uh, read a book? They have libraries in Madison, right?
>history is a linear progression
Is there a bigger brainlet opinion?
>>768015363
It's lonely and frankly I like it that way. Fuck this planet and fuck these stupid apes.
>>768015417
t. mr. poopybrains
>>768015431
Gotta agree with that
>>768015431
>>768015188
I bet you're a liberal who thinks he's a socialist and you really like Facebook pages that post pop science quasi-facts.
Nice Hitler dubs on that first post tho
You do realize that the Dark Ages refer to the time period between the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the Renaissance. The eastern half of the Empire kept humming right along, business as usual until it was overrun by the Ottomans in 1453.
Additionally, neither the Chinese, Japanese, Meso-Americans, or the Islamic Caliphate suffered a similar Dark Age during this time.
So, either the Dark Ages wasn't the impediment to human advancement you say it is, or Western European culture really is the engine that drives human advancement.
Wasn’t this the time that the crusades were going on?
>>768015620
Actually, lots of important and useful shit happened in the Medieval period. The idea of it as a dark age (barring the shitshow immediately following the Roman collapse) comes from Renaissance Romaboos and was perpetuated by euphoric Enlightenment queers.
>>768015188
>calls christians sheep
>proceeds to follow the atheist flock like a mongoloid
1.
What are the units for the Y axis of the graph, number of existing technologies? For pure research and technological growth, you can better model it as a function of population. You need a certain number of people before the research pool exists to invent any 1 new technology, and enough people to have a chance of producing a genius.
In which case, the drop off is not caused by my choice of sky spirit. It's caused by the black death, you fucking idiot.
2.
This graph is also ludicrously euro-centric. Art and architecture were flourishing in Arabia and Asia during this period, specifically the first instances of electricity in the Baghdad battery and Chinese gunpowder.
>>768012710
Your graph shows the end of the roman empire, not the birth of christianity. Do you want to look at a graph showing scientific progress BEFORE the birth of Christ?
>>768012710
how can you measure "scientific advance" accurately?
>>768015620
Also everyone knows that Western European civilization is what's running the show and has been for most of its existence (cough Spengler cough cough) but resentment prevents them from saying so.
>>768014272
there wasn't even a bit really, the idea that people in the classical period were smart is fairly wrong. They believed some really retarded shit in regards to biology and physics, but unlike the middle ages the romans had the centralised state required to build great projects which made them look alot more advanced then they actually were
I've read somewhere that we have the plague to thank for this. The plague came around, killed everyone very dead, people avoided bath houses (they were very hygienic apparently before), thought it was the wrath of god, abolished bath houses, and the rest went downhill from there.
>>768013149
They were centers of science the same way a rotting horse is a source of food.
Remember the father of genetics? He was a monk. But oh after he died the abbot burned all his notes. It only too another century or two before secular thinkers rediscovered his work and moved it forward.
Fertile ground for truth those churches and monistaries.
>>768015946
Oh, has it? Or were you raised in a society that psychologically needs to believe that it's winning?
Look who is building the taller building. Look who has the better infrastructure. Look who has the better healthcare, social programs, government stability, growing economies.
It is certainly not the United States, and is more often than not a non-White country. We need to stop lying to ourselves.
>>768014675
There's a flaw in your logic. Slavery was bad, in the past, and we fixed that problem. Nowadays they deal with systemic racism.
But scientific advancement isn't something that was, and now cannot be. The only way to make science not exist would be to burn or detroy the records of it OHHHhhhhhhh wait....
In the dark ages they burned materials they found offensive, tortured and killed people against the church, (Galileo was just famous so he got a political banning), and even prosecuted and murdered people they only suspected of being heretics. The Spaniards were way worse about it than ye olde England or even the Vatican itself. But it remains. The attack on science during the dark ages may not be as severe as it sounds in our time period, but it was very severe.
Now keep in mind, I don't blame Christians for this. It could have been any religion or organization that hated science that could have disrupted it. It just happened to BE Christians.
And as a result any and all scientific discoveries that could have remained unhalted, was instead, destroyed. Therefore it no longer exists.
But can we talk about the new dark ages approaching? Science doesn't happen unless it's funded, people won't fund it unless they make money, and no one makes money off of charitable science for the good of all mankind. :|
>Discuss
>>768015992
>the idea that people in the classical period were smart is fairly wrong
Explain plato, socrates, pythagoras, and that one doctor who worked with sterelized tools
>>768015992
Classicalfags had a different kind of thinking going on. A mistake people make is thinking that Classical civilization and Western civilization are the same, when in fact one is the child of the other. What people mistake for rediscovery is more like the construction of a worldview and an intellectual framework based only in part on Rome and Greece.
Example: Classicalfags didn't do non-mythic history or archaeology because they didn't care about that shit. Thucydides, Caesar, and such were either writing contemporary accounts or telling myths with a partial factual backing. The idea of history as a factual thing to be both investigated and tallied as well as told and experienced is a specifically Western thing.
>>768016190
But here's the thing: Dubai sheikhs, for example, are adopting Western forms when they build big skyscrapers. (They're also nigger rich, but that's beside the point.) The West is fatally ill and will collapse fairly soon, but the entire non-Western world is still running on our metrics for better or worse.
>>768016190
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>Look who is building the taller building. Look who has the better infrastructure. Look who has the better healthcare, social programs, government stability, growing economies.
lol
because the hight of a building has anything to do with anything also why the hell would we be lying to our selves when we invented and are inventing most of the technology. like its The us and the Koreans running this bitch and the Koreans have a very similar culture to us anyway.
>>768012710
I wonder what Niggers are doing.
>>768016432
The reason you hear about the Spanish Inquisition and their brutality is because they existed to smoke out Jews who were pretending to convert. They weren't even that bad, there are stories of Spaniards speaking heresies to get tried by the Inquisition instead of lay courts.
It's literally a Holocaust narrative from five hundred years ago.
>>768016490
greeks believed that sneezing was brain matter leaving the body
they believed a fetus could be 'topped up' with more sperm
they thought testicles were weights stretching the body
they invented that retarded humors system
>>768016676
All of human history is a holocaust narrative.
But the reason the Spaniards were so bad was because of their King and Queen having a hard on for slaying heretics.
>>768016926
>All of human history is a holocaust narrative.
Oy vey.
>>768016843
Yeah some of their beliefs were retarded, but you gotta start to theorize somewhere. Eventually they got a lot of shit right, especially in math and some in science
>>768016584
How, in any capacity, is Korea running anything? Their economy is decent, but they're considered a cuck -in their theater- with no influence outside it.
The building is a luxury item, or one bought by a company. It is a symbol of wealth and prosperity, that we do not have and do not create, because our wealth and prosperity are not growing. We are not inventing "most of the technology" India has more patents per year, China more scientific papers. As for practicality of inventions, nothing the United states has made has swept the world in utility since the refrigerator.
>>768016578
Tell that to the Shanghai Sky Tree. Also, forgive me for the opinion that a billion dollars is a billion dollars, regardless of the name of the man that holds it.
>Implying the world is running on our metrics. China certainly isn't.
>For every situation in which our model is applied, a successful on is immediately available as an alternative. There was one area where this was not true, for a long time, the petro-dollaras a reserve currency. There is now the recognized petro-yuan.
My point being that the notion of our exceptionalism is unfounded. A tragedy for us is not a tragedy for all. We should work earnestly for a better future, for ourselves and for our progeny. And stop blaming things for our problems.
>>768017659
>theorize
the thing is though, they didn't theorize. they didn't have a concept of scientific theory, they just accepted the things that Aristotle etc. said were correct. You start to find the concept of theory develop during the Renaissance when people started to put the classic ideas to the test and then when they found them incorrect they started to test their own ideas. This is the time when scientific progress began to take off until the Enlightenment when it really started in full swing with proper institutions dedicated to research
>>768013149
Also the middle east and asia was doing a lot of shit then
>>768017829
>United states has made has swept the world in utility
I guess companies like Qualcomm and Intel do nothing to further technology
>>768017004
If it wasn't the jews it would have been someone else.
>>768017829
I'm not really talking about money, but the petrodollar itself is linked to the kind of decay I'm talking about. Instead of fighting wars to bring home riches or conquer new territory, we fight them to prop up a certain Semitic state and our fucking reserve currency. It's a cultural issue. And China, though it's partially reverted to the Chinese norm of mandarins and warlords, is still running the "software" of communism/fascism (depending on how you look at it).
Every other civilization on Earth is being forced into a pseudomorphism of the West and it's a fucking problem because the West is terminally ill. The economic shit is a symptom of that.
>>768018091
>dude nothing happened for a thousand years lole
Brainlet.
>>768018217
>has made has swept
>>768018227
Someone else would have blasphemed against Christ, drank the blood of goyish children in Satanic rituals, committed ruthless usury against Christian and Muslim alike, spread Communism and nihilism, etc. etc. etc.?
Interesting take.
>>768018091
Yeah they didn’t have the scientific method, but they laid out the foundation for thinking and experimenting, even if it was very crude. You have to understand that it’s damn hard to come up with a concept that has never been analized before.
>>768015310
Go home Shaggy you're drunk
space is for beta nerds
alpha jocks like me don't concern themselves with abstract ideas and pipe dreams. it's why we make the most money in careers and avoid SJW job like social services, psychiatry, volunteer work, etc. We live for tangible success while you, beta cucks, live for someone else's opinions and beliefs. so yeah, be happy with your $35,000 journalist jobs and shitty nursing jobs where you think you are change the world. fuck that, ill be comfy and alpha as fuck with my $100,000 advertising manager job and piss on your wives and mothsers after i fuck them.
>>768018299
If you’re quoting the poor grammar that’s a direct copy/paste from what anon posted
>>768018455
"honey, can you get anon away from that computer, he's sperging again"
*under her breath* "god i wish i would have had an abortion"
>>768018534
rekt
>>768018243
>>dude nothing happened for a thousand years lole
literally not what i said in the slightest. However you can easily make the claim that a person in 500bc led much the same life as some in 500ad. You however can not in anyway make the claim that someone living in 500ad led the same life as some in 1500ad.
>>768018381
that doesn't make them more advanced that people in the middle ages though. A child can scribble on some paper and later go to be a master painter but that doesn't make the scribble good.
>>768018455
wtf
>>768018327
>committed ruthless usury against Christian and Muslim alike
You forgot pagans. Cicero is on record calling out the Jews for that shit.
>>768012710
No matter the subject these (graphs with “facts”) are almost always bogus.
>>768012710
That graph is being a little too generous with our “advancement” scientifically.
Religion is part of the reason we even have a structured society. Controlling masses through fear and a higher moral code with applied punishments for breaking that code is what made it so you could sit around in your comfortable little space typing your pointless thoughts out. A world without religion would probably have resulted in barbaric men using you as a fuck toy and as a dick washer. So why don't you thank Christianity OP
>>768012710
Dark ages are due to occult/satanist infiltration of the catholic church.
>>768018595
Not more advanced , but they were by no means niggs. Just look at their architecture and tell me that any non-smart or retard civilization can do that
>>768018794
Muh fear of God is such a shitty meme but otherwise your post is correct.
>>768018879
But muh scientific method.
>>768018873
>the bullshit Christians will believe
They took over the church, it's been that way for 500 years at least
>>768018920
>muh scientific method
Who said anything about the scientific method you dumb nigger?
>>768019018
Subversive elements in the Roman Church have existed forever but they didn't take over until Vatican II.
>>768019070
Are you the Renaissancefag trying to claim that Classical people dinno nuffin, or the guy replying to him?
>>768013149
>scientific centers
Yes, because they burned down anywhere else that had books and murdered everyone else that was educated.
Sorry, but Christians don't get credit for hoarding the remaining intellectual resources for hundreds of years and failing to allow any advancement socially.
All the technological and social progress of that age came from the Middle East, monasteries had absolutely NOTHING to do with preserving or promoting knowledge. They were simply prisons for learned people.
>>768019165
I’m saying that the classical period was not just a bunch of niggers and actually had intellect
>>768012710
The 'Dark Age' of Christendom is really a Muslim achievement given it was the direct result of violent Muslims invading and conquering the majority of the Christian world between the 7th-8th centuries.
>>768012710
Nigger, if this was true. Every non-Christian civilization would be at the same level of scientific advancement that we are now. Jump off of a bridge.
>>768012710
Lmao the Romans did not advance us exponentially more than the Ancient Greeks you moron.
>>768019194
>failing to allow any advancement socially.
Yeah fuck Christianity for being so racist and not putting tranny bathrooms in every cathedral.
>>768019165
>Vatican II
I see you understand the significance of their elimination of the Latin Mass.
>>768014764
Some people actually believe there was an islamic golden age
>>768012710
Source "Dude Trust Me"
>>768019284
wow you're retarded
the Bible was used for hundreds of years to promote tyrannical government and justify ignorance and complacency for the masses
>AND IT STILL DOES!
>>768018879
>but they were by no means niggs.
yeah see, you're seem to be arguing against a point im not making
>>768019352
It did but you should understand what it actually entails. People want to meme that Arabs from the depths of the Arabian peninsula were responsible for it while in point of fact you're looking at Persians, Berbers, and Levantines (i.e. white or almost-white people) doing all the advancement.
>>768019403
lmao
>>768019234
Christians did a far better job of oppressing the people and culture of Europe. Quit trying to blame other people for a culture that was dominated by the CHURCH for 1000 years.
Christians are the ones that burned down the Great Library of Alexandria, along with all the other bastions of classical knowledge in Europe.
Quit lying to yourself and learn from past mistakes already.
>>768016190
You're an idiot. From the US alone last year the Chinese stole hundreds of billions of dollars of intellectual property. They rely on the west for innovation.
>>768019254
>how does trade work
Fuck off back to school you absolute retard
>>768019514
Absolutely this. """islamic"""" scientists and philosophers were Persians, conquered by Muslim savages, who practiced Persian science and philosophy, because there is no such thing as Islamic science or philosophy. After a couple of generations there was no more science being done in these regions, because Islam degrades civilization.
>>768019601
>Christians
Satanists
ftfy
>>768019601
Nigger, the Church was at the center of Western-European civilization from minute one. It was the fucking catalyst that salvaged something of the Classical civilization and injected it into what came after. Even your own gay liberal values are just Christianity without God.
>>768019751
>>768019630
You're a fucking idiot.
>>768019688
>anyone who does anything bad isn't a REAL Christian
What a convenient way for you to completely surrender any responsibility in life.
Goddamn, being a Christian is EEEASY
>>768019670
I tend to look at it more from a racial angle than that. Even today, there's a definite divide between "kind of okay" and "total shit" in the Muslim world, with white-ish people and Shi'a on one side and mud people and Sunni on the other.
>>768012710
i dont give a fuck. i have a slight of intelligence and brain power which makes me older than most of you retards here. i can understand 4chan before even having been on the site. You can't. All you can do is repeat random garbage because thats all you are. Basically what im trying to say is you're a fucking faggot.
>>768019751
>the Church existed before the Greek and Roman Empires
you know nothing. Walk out into traffic and go to heaven already.
>>768019899
You're a stupid nigger. Classical civilization ended (collapse is almost a misnomer, the death was natural).
The Church, as something allied to late Classical antiquity but not of it, kept parts of it alive animated in the new Western civilization.
>>768020011
Classical civilization collapsed when the Church was put in charge of it.
Coincidence? No, it was a power play that lasted 1000 years.
>>768019821
Wew lad. Have a (You)
>>768020067
Classical civilization ended because its lifecycle fucking completed, you utter brainlet. Go read a book and get out of my face. Spengler would be a good choice, or Gibbon.
>>768020100
Can't run with the big dogs? Go back and hide under the porch
>>768020192
>the natural life-span of a classical civilization is so only so long, the surrounding factors don't really mean anything in the end
you are being willfully ignorant
>>768020228
>civs can keep going forever as long as muh evil oppressive Christianity doesn't get involved
R E T A R D
>>768014545
take the atheist away and you have every christian ever.
>>768020295
>strawman as fuck
>given up on debate
>just screaming insults at the void
KEK, get some perspective faggot
>>768020228
Also, yes, civs do have a natural lifespan and phases of life that they go through, you stupid faggot.
>>768020366
>natural lifespan
no they don't, that's simplistic observational bullshit that reduces 1000's of social and cultural conflicts to a single entity.
Civilization is far more complex than that and can go through multiple regenerative periods based on the activity of subcultures.
Get educated faggot
>>768020295
lol 414
>>768020197
You didn't even check my dubs, faggot.
>>768020444
Trips of truth
>>768020456
fuck your dubs, trips of truth is all that matters >>768020444
>>768020361
You're just a fucking retard who doesn't know anything about cyclical history, Christianity, Rome or its collapse, or anything else but you want to pretend that you do. Christianity gained traction as part of the second religiosity of Classical civ, it wasn't some conspiracy and you had other Eastern mystery religions competing for the same spot at the same time (Mithraism, Manichaeism, etc.). The collapse had far more to do with the great migrations and the increasing instability of imperium than anything religious.
Go read Gibbon and Spengler, and then come back to me, holy fuck.
>>768020444
You get educated, retard. Nice trips though.
>>768012710
weren’t the dark ages caused by the Goths collapsing the Roman empire? and did the Byzantines experience a dark age?
>>768020444
can't understand why people are arguing with this. a civ doesn't reach 1000 years and just up and collapse because that's the nature of it. they accrue problems over time, and if they don't get fixed or they expand too fast, and eventually collapse. there's not a death clock counting down to the day they die.
>>768020555
>implying the entire world doesn't solely consist of Western Europe
>implying the rest of the world weren't barbaric savages until the 1800s
>>768020635
It's not a fixed "1000 years is the time limit lole" kind of thing, especially since Western civ is far over that age and so was the Classical world. My take (and the correct take) is that the problems are predictable and happen in a certain way (like in the beginning you have growing pains as the civ consolidates territory and builds its worldview), as do other intellectual and cultural developments that happen over its lifespan. Once the forms that that civilization's myths and culture can take are exhausted, it dies.
>>768020635
>>768020917
>>768020550
And just as the problems are predictable in a way that allows them to be dealt with productively, they can ALSO be manipulated by ambitious parties (e.g. the Catholic Church) to bring about the end of a civilization.
The Roman Empire was split in HALF because of the cultural divides that the Catholic Church created. When the Western Empire was under siege and requesting help, the Eastern Empire didn't give a FUCK, because Catholicism had already divided the culture.
Yes, there are natural problems that arise, and the Christians took advantage of that to create their own civilization, instead of preserving the one they were brought up in.
>>768021476
Yes but the western empire helped defend the east from the moslim hordes in the end so your point is moot
>>768021476
No, you're trying to force the information you've been given into the same paradigm. The Classical civilization did not collapse because it was infected by Christianity, it collapsed because it was over. It died of old age. The Eastern Empire, which you can either view as a Classical remnant or a seed of the Russian culture (Russia is not Western, much as I might love them), was Christian too so that narrative doesn't even make sense.
>>768021698
>>768021476
Also, the Great Schism happened a thousand years later so don't bring that up. It was a culmination of that separation, not a cause.
>>768021638
>but they helped this one time
so what?
that's not how logic works. A single instance does not disprove the trend that collapsed Classical civilization.
The Eastern Roman Empire literally lasted 1000 years longer, simply by separating itself from Western Europe.
You're actually oversimplifying it. While the Christian world was stuck in the dark ages the Arabic world and parts of Asia including India where actually experiencing a golden age, preserving most of the knowledge gained by the Greeks and other Europeans and often adding onto it
>>768021798
That has nothing to do with the split of the Roman Empire, it happened well after the Western Empire had collapsed.
But it would be foolish to think those cultural differences suddenly developed out of nowhere and had no influence on Roman life.
>>768022007
I don't disagree with you on that. I was merely pre-empting any mention of it so it couldn't be fit in to some "muh Catholics ruin everything" narrative.
>>768015800
> relying on the perception of blind superiority
Okay sheep
>>768022112
>>768021698
>died of old age
that's not a thing. You can blame it on forces that arise in old age, but OLD AGE isn't the actual killer, you're very clearly just trying to apologize for Christianity's role.
Christians are the ones that dissolved state power and betrayed each other in search of local power. Christians are the ones that collapsed Classical Civilization, and blaming it on anyone else or refusing to assign any blame at all is simply IRRESPONSIBLE.
>>768021890
They helped like 4 times. Ever hear of the crusades?
>>768022170
Anon that's really dumb. That's really fucking dumb. What I'm telling you is that Christianity was not the actual cause. Unstable imperium and Germanic invasions were immediate causes, not the establishment of Christianity. If Christ had never existed, you'd be bitching about the Mithraic Church instead.
I'm not arguing "for" Christianity, I'm arguing that your entire narrative of the Roman collapse and civilizational cycles is entirely wrong. Here's an abridged version of Spengler so that you don't have to read the whole thousand-page tome.
http://people.duke.edu/~aparks/Spengler.html
>>768020236
WUZ
>>768022419
You're a genuinely reasonable and kind person.
What if our advancement into space was delayed by an intergalactic community of extraterrestrials because they deemed us to be not ready yet?
>>768022592
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but I appreciate it either way. I'm a big Spenglerfag and I like to tell people about his theory..
>>768022494
KANGZ AND SHEIT
>>768016084
One monk builds the foundation of genetics: meh.
One monk burns another monk's papers because of a personal dispute: ALL CHRISTIANS ARE FUCKING EVIL
>>768023179
Kek
Funny thing about those charts is they always leave out the semi-literate barbaric hordes which invaded Rome from the North and South.
Also, someone please name (w/o looking it up, of course) four inventions made by Romans in, let's say, the period of -100 to 100.
