If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them - Leviticus 20:13
The scripture is clear about this
>>767855843
yeah it has a lot of wacky stuff in that book, especially the full jewish parts
It also lists tons of shit you shouldn't do, like wear different types of cloth together and eat pig and shellfish... But I'm sure you do that.
Or what about that part where it says , very literally, that Jesus died and suffered so that all sins of those before and after are forgiven.
You can't have it both ways, either all sins are forgiven... Or you're also a sinner who'll get a seat next to everybody else.
>>767856153
>>767856153
Fuck off.
>>767855843
Because the Bible is/was a way for people to ignore and attack things that they don't understand properly and some of the material scripture doesn't really hold up to current times
>>767855843
Good thing we don't follow scripture.
>>767855843
Well take it literally and you can be just like the Muslims who take their "holy" text seriously.
More Muslims- a better world
>>767855843
Scripture does say this.
BUT at no time did God or Christ say this.
Men often made up rules that God and Christ would have frowned upon. Just take a look at Matthew 19, God did NOT want to allow divorce but mankind insisted.
Folks like Levi James John Paul said a lot against homosexuality but none of them held more authority then Christ. So stop thinking that your sins are cool and only homosexuals will go to hell. That beam in your eye is far larger then the mote in their eye.
WE ARE ALL SINNERS WORTHY OF DEATH.
You included.
>>767856153
>>767856153
>>767856175
>>767857148
>>767857230
You know what fuck this. Name one reason people should support gays
>>767857441
>one reason people should support
Judge not lest ye be judged by your own measure. Lots of Prom dates never married and so COULD be doomed to hell.
>>767857441
Because being gay doesn't harm anyone.
>>767857373
Matthew 18:18
"Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven
Read the bible dick
>>767857373
>WE ARE ALL SINNERS WORTHY OF DEATH.
Only by the standards of the psychotic God character portrayed in the Bible.
>>767856153
Beat me to it.
>>767856983
Is there a problem?
>>767857597
Children for one. Look at all the kids being brainwashed by this. You got 8 year olds who claim to be transgendered and 12 year olds that are "bi" . how is that not harmful
>>767857770
Yeah. Im tired of people try to normalize being gay when its not normal and the bible clearly states so
>>767857373
>The Law was given to Moses directly from God
>Jesus affirmed the validity of the moral codes in the Law and said that not a jot of it would vanish before the end of the world
>Jesus' closest followers affirmed the validity of the moral codes in the Law, with this one being named specifically in multiple areas
Your argument is retarded from that alone, and also from the terrible dodge and the implication that homosexuality is both a ssin despite your objections, and a minor one despite being one of a handful that were worthy of immediate execution in civil law.
It is a sin, and both Old and New testaments make that 100% clear. Other people having sins does not change the legitimacy of this one.
>>767857441
Who said anything about supporting gays? This is about selectively applying some archaic moral standards but ignoring the rest of the stupidity.
It's called being hypocritical. Look it up.
>>767857821
That is not "the gays". That would be retarded ideologues. The new lysenkoists.
>>767857694
So that would mean if you're gay on Earth, you'll be gay in heaven. ?? So what?
>>767856153
Christian Fag here.
The thing is, OLD testament rules are no longer needed, it only serves like a story. The NEW testament has the NEW rules so those are the ones that we have to do.
>>767857821
Just because some leftist media made a case about gay parents and their adopted kid claiming himself as bi doesnt mean every gay person adopts a child to brainwash them to be gay
>>767857694
I have read it.
Clearly you haven't or you would avoid casting insults as they could cause you to be damned eternally.
The verse you quoted proves that what we decide is law IS law. That means gay marriage is perfectly acceptable. Where ever it is legal.
>>767855843
>Wants to use holy book as basis for law
>Dislikes Muslims for trying to institute Sharia law
>>767857711
Yep the only opinion that counts is Gods. Not your or mine.
>>767858024
No that means that if the church is still against gays then God is against gays.
>>767857373
>god saying anything
god only talks to others who christians call prophets.
In reality, it is very plausible they had become mentally ill, succumbed to ego and possible dramatic auditory and visual hallucinations from living in such harsh conditions.
You know, god, being as omnipotent as he is supposed to be, could just emanate himself infront of every human being simultaneously at will, to teach us the meanings of life and the methods to obtain freedom from this prison.
Why would he only communicate with mankind through a few jews 2000+ years ago "apparently" reincarnated himself on earth as an avatar 2018 years ago and spoke to some sand monkey pedo warlord 1400 years ago or whenever he was alive.
While I'm not intellectually superior to assume gods motives it just seems a little obscure that god, the creatrix of all, omnipotent, omnipresent sentient being is limited to only talk to a handful of jews and 1 arab in the 1000s of years human civilization has been organized.
>>767857821
>how is that not harmful
It's not harmful because no one is being harmed.
>>767858148
Says who?
>>767855843
Oh man I don't know where my fuck went, I can't currently give it to you
>>767857694
Yeah because the Vatican totally wouldn't purposefully interpret that erroneously in order to bolster their authority to do whatever the fuck they want. Sounds like playing god to me.
>>767857906
Imagine what it's like *being* gay, and persecuted for it.
And it's *your* interpretation of the Bible.
And it's *your* standard for morals.
And you're not God, so passing judgement is not your responsibility or right.
>>767858093
No if there is even a one percent chance that they will do that you need to treat that as an absolute certainty
>>767858052
>OLD testament rules are no longer needed
so gods unchangeable commandments and words become obsolete....
Typical christfags
>>767858095
Not in the eyes of the church or god
>>767858052
Hint: we don't follow New Testament rules either.
>>767858318
That is retarded. By that logic, let us never do anything since everything implies some risks.
Just make adoption preferential for straight couples and have a strict examination for the gays that want to adopt.
>>767857821
>Children for one. Look at all the kids being brainwashed by this. You got 8 year olds who claim to be hearing voices from God and 12 year olds that are "spirits" . how is that not harmful
Virtually everything the religious say about being against gays (what the bible is basically about) can be turned around to show how their beliefs are the same problem they claim gays to be.
What is ironic, is that no matter how much you hate gays, how much you try to oppress them, they are still there - and more being born every day.
Unless you identify the 'gay gene' and then kill babies upon detection at birth, you will never stop living among gays, you will simply be living in a world of lies designed to comfort your insecurities.
>>767858165
I didn't see "gay" anywhere in there.
>>767858180
He doesnt do that because it would be a vulgar display of power we have something called faith
>>767857930
The worst was blasphemy of the spirit.
All others held the same force of Law.
Any of the ten is equal to any other.
And the only sexual commandment is the one that says do not commit adultery.
But hey if you want to pretend one sin is not the same as another go right ahead.
I am NOT your judge and eternity is going to be very warm for many who hypocritically expect more of others then of themselves.
I don't preach sin I preach forgiveness exactly as Christ did...
Believe and repent and be forgiven.
Don't think that you can cast stones and will make it in to heaven.
>>767858183
The children are you psycho
>>767858318
Next we'll have to ban cars because there is .001 percent chance of a car being used in a mass murder
>>767858590
How so?
>>767858522
sureeeeee anon, just as I don't want to show you my 13 inch cock because it might make you jelly
>>767858404
Maybe you don't
Imagine using a book written by jews living in the desert thousands of years ago as guidelines for living in 2018
>>767858678
Holy shit being this 8th grade
>>767858522
>we have something called faith
You mean that thing you use to justify belief in things you don't actually have good reason to believe? That thing that you could use to believe in literally anything, like magical rainbow vomiting unicorns?
>>767858442
They shouldnt be able to at all.
>>767857930
>It is a sin, and both Old and New testaments make that 100% clear.
Wait... what? Where does it say that in the New Testament?
>>767858734
Western civilization doesn't in general. It would collapse if we did.
>>767858371
Certainly not the Church.
But speaking for God is probably the most dangerous thing one can do. He gave us ten laws.Christ emphasized them with the Golden rule. Neither said a thing about homosexuality but to be sure the Church did. Course there will be far more atheists in Heaven then Popes. Keep that in mind as you toss rocks at those you think you can judge.
>>767858824
No argument? Ok. Retard.
And the good lord said...
Traps are gay
>>767857821
Well, some children have been raped by priests, and I don't see anyone saying that priests are harmful. Could your argument be invalid?
>>767858497
No one is gay. It is literally a choice
>>767858950
When did you choose to be straight anon?
>>767855843
Don't fuck kids?
cool, got it.
>>767858512
The church believes gays are an abomination that means god does to.
>>767858950
Yeah choosing to be straight was the best decision of my life
>>767858103
Thank you
The real problem here is that Christians are supposed to KILL GAYS according to their bible.
But they won't go there, so they just complain about cakes and being stripped of their right to discriminate.
The REAL religious injustice to them is them being stripped of their right to kill gays for God.
>>767858683
Literally what I just said you retard
>>767858950
>being this ignorant of the research about the causes of homosexuality
>>767859000
03 when the Chicago crab outbreak started got bad crabs from ladyboy said you know what women are for me
>>767858950
>literally a choice
soooo, not ACTUALLY a choice. Make your fucking mind up.
>>767858950
>No one is gay. It is literally a choice
And how did you discover this fact with such certainty?
>>767858950
>Implying he knows other peoples thoughts.
Is that what the voices in your head, er voice of God, told you?
>>767859117
You didn't give any example of harm though.
>>767859117
>>767858950
>literally
>>767858809
What about science
>>767859035
Muslims don't consider gays as bad. They claim their God is the one and only.
If I were to choose a church, just how would I know whose God is the right one? How many more are there to pick from?
>>767858950
Who the actual fuck would choose to be different than others, not being able to have children and risk being executed in some countries for choosing to be gay?
>>767855843
Are you Jesus now? Did Jesus ever bash gays? Not in my bible.
You will be judged by the same measure you judge other on the final day, according to the bible, so you might want to go easy on the gays a bit since bringing Leviticus up in this won't do you much good, lots of sins in there that you are guilty off too. Also did you have sex before marriage? Do you think you should go to hell for this too, just because "the scripture is clear about this."
Jesus was here for a reason, for our sins to be able to be forgiven, as long as you aren't a huge dick about everything. Might wanna work on that. Plank in your eye, saw dust in your neighbors kinda deal right here. We were all born in sin, and all are hellbound, weren't it for Jesus and his deeds, remember? Gays were born gay the same way straight people were born, with sexual urges and they too live them out in sinful ways. Same shit, different hole.
Not quite sure what you are arguing for anyways, but it's sure not love and forgiveness which Jesus did teach, might want to check which team you are on.
>>767859093
Stop with your mind reading bullshit there at the end.
About the cake, they should be able to sell whatever the fuck they want, and that might not include faggot cake. They should, however, offer their services to the general public that pays taxes to finance public goods and the legal framework, including the defense of private property, that allows the business to operate.
Stop being a simple minded piece of shit.
>>767859256
What about it?
>>767859000
At birth.
>>767859256
Science does not control society it only sets our limits
>>767859332
>bout the cake, they should be able to sell whatever the fuck they want, and that might not include faggot cake.
First thing you've said that I agree with.
>>767859524
Blatant lies. Your mom told me you were a raging homo as a baby.
>>767859174
"Children for one. Look at all the kids being brainwashed by this. You got 8 year olds who claim to be transgendered and 12 year olds that are "bi" . how is that not harmful"
Read the thread retard
>>767859524
>>767855843
Ancient Babylonian law is clear on things too. But we don't follow the laws of ancient barbarians. We follow modern laws based on a modern morality.
>caring about what adults give consent fuck
You are literally retarded.
Also, the Bible is a work of fiction, and there is zero evidence that a god exists. Kill yourself.
>>767859803
*to fuck
>>767859735
I did. How have 8 years old who claim to be transgendered or 12 year olds that are bi been harmed?
>>767859332
>Stop being a simple minded piece of shit.
Sorry, I was using the words of the bible, I should not have used what you call 'Simple minded shit' such information directly taken from the bible.
Man, you are something else.
>>767859586
Nah my g think about it further you limit to who you sell then those who you ignore have to be pushed to dif locations and I know women are fantastic bakers o don't want to live in a world where I can't get a nice ass sweet roll
>>767859586
The other part is also important. If that fag pays taxes and the business benefits from that shit, then it cannot simply say "hurr no gays around here".
>>767859374
Have you looked up all the facts in those books and done the experiments yourself?
>>767859852
I do not care if it comes from the bible. I am not the christfag, retard.
>>767859735
Yeah. Men of the Church would never plook little boys, and if they did, the church would expose and turn them in. And if they covered for them, they'd transfer them to a place where there were no little boys to molest. 'Cause if you're in a church, you can do no wrong.
>>767855843
Into the trash it goes.
>>767859962
Good for you, the thread was a biblical reference about gays.
So I used a biblical reference about gays.
Beyond what you do or don't think, it was inline with the discussion.
Since you don't like it, don't read it. Easy.
>>767859962
Damn sneaky Jews
>>767859846
Yeah im sure theyll grow up to be well adjusted people and not raging faggots ruining more lives
>>767860051
Being this freshman year
Trump will fix this when the wall is built, then the gays can't get in!
Islam will have to stay out! America will be a Christian Nation again!
>>767859906
You make it sound like the business doesn't pay taxes either, and that the gay's taxes somehow directly and exclusively support that business.
>>767859921
I've observed that the scientific method has reliable results, therefore I can have a reasonable expectation that other things which are the result of the scientific method are likely to be reliable as well. No faith needed.
>>767860004
No one is saying mistakes havent been made
>>767860011
dubs confirms
>>767860076
Your argument is basically "being gay is bad because it makes people gay", which isn't a real argument.
>>767860145
It is irrelevant if it does or does not support that business exclusively since those taxes support the legal framework that allows them to operate as it operates in the first place. Also I never said the business does not pay taxes, so however it sounds, it is just your perception.
>>767860194
So what youre telling me is you havent done all of them yourself
>>767860145
Nah but you're ignoring that they re both entitled to protection from the govt
Anyways being this 9th grade
>>767860102
Thank you, what the faggots fail to understand is that the bible is not there for THEM to reference.
They are not worthy.
>>767855843
Well thank god(kek) that scripture has no actual bearing on reality.
>>767860260
There are a lot more fags now then there were in the 50s
If I were in the bathroom with nothing to wipe my ass with except the Bible, I would start with Leviticus.
>>767855843
Nobody has to abide by your scripture. Ain't America great?
>>767860304
Correct, and I'm also telling you that I don't need to have done them all myself to be justified in believing the results without appealing to faith.
>>767860375
Even if that's true, so what?
>>767860348
Holy shit man what a weak bait get your fit up and learn to talk to women it'll come to you
>>767855843
I don't buy it seeing as how your dad survived throughout all of college
>>767855843
Hypocrisy...Christians are experts at it. Judging the fuck out of people based on scripture whilst simultaneously picking and choosing which parts of their book they abide by.
>>767860414
SO you think you are NOT a sinner?
LOL
How wonderfully arrogant of you my very doomed to hell, hellion.
>>767860478
>learn to talk to women
But what if he's a closet gay that's religious, will getting better at bait make him less attracted to men?
>>767860414
So if you havent done them all yourself how do you know for certain its true you dipshit
If you follow every single line item in the bible to the word. We are all going to hell dumbass.
>>767855843
yes goym do what jewsis says
>>767855843
How do I fuck all of mankind tho?
>>767860666
Trips of Truth, odd that it would be the beasts trips though.
>>767860621
True learn to talk to the sex you desire getting better at bait will push him away from this shit you grow up too
>>767860605
I don't care if I'm a sinner or not.
>>767860729
your mother has
>>767860299
Exactly. It's just perception.
The business pays taxes too.
Why would the gays have more rights to access to that business than the owners?
>>767860814
Man being this simple how's 10th grade
>>767860764
sentence wrote grammar hard made to read fuck you saying is unsure.
>>767860642
I don't know for certain, but I can have a reasonable expectation that it's true because I observe that the scientific method works pretty reliably. If it's a product of the scientific method, I can be justified in believing it based on my observation that the methodology is sound.
>>767858918
>I am an other guy
Yes prietist when are caught are punished even harder than normal pedophiles
And pedophiles priests are harmfull but the foult of some is not the foult of many
If a firefighter rape a woman it doesn't mean all of them does and the one who does will be punished
>>767855843
All this means is bros before hoes. Don't lie to your mates, like you lie to your chick. It's not fucking rocket science.
>>767860814
What are you talking about? Hw the gays are have more rights than the owners. The owners can tell the gays to gtfo if they are not buying anything. Did you even read what I wrote?
>>767858950
I agree i chosed to be straight
>>767860876
My bad my g read it out loud I was never taught grammar thanks for the insight I want to grow on this
>>767860883
To me it sounds like all you sid was read a bunch of science books
>>767860605
Everyone contains good and bad, sin on the other hand is supposedly something we inherited from some people eating fruit.
Instead of focusing on the bad of people and calling it a sin you can't remove, why not engender a notion of "recognize that you can do bad and that in recognizing that you will know what bad is and be able to avoid it".
>>767861049
I can't help what something sounds like to you.
>>767855843
This would be a valid point... well... if religion wasn’t BS that preys on insecurity.
>>767861110
I mean unless youve done all the experiments yourself all you did was read the books
This is a misinterpretation of the text as fucking usual. Mankind doesn’t mean a male individual it means collective of the human species. I am not allowed to lie with the entirety of the human race. If I do it is abomination in this individuals opinion. I would surely be put to death. I don’t know who by, it’s not specified who would put me to do death and there an no instructions on who should put me to death, but surely someone probably would in this guys opinion. In that case, my blood will be on my own hands, it will be my own doing.
This is literally nonsense that is not about gays.
>>767861114
>prey for insecurity
If you are religius a big group called antifa masked want to kill you and everyone scream at you for beeing "homofobic"
Everyone insult you and you can't react violently cause the religion say so
>>767855843
Yeah, and you're supposed to stone disobedient kids to death in Exodus, just the chapter before.
>>767861196
Fun fact: the device you are currently using to browse and post on 4chan exists because of the scientific method. You are literally observing that the scientific method works as we have this conversation.
>>767861342
Don't you know english moron?
Both, means 2 people
therefore man, and mankind, is 2 people
mankind - meaning of the same kind as man..
hence, another man.
Where did you go to school?
>>767861636
>mankind - meaning of the same kind as man..
hence, another man.
Wrong.
>>767861531
No you read shit in a book by scientist who for some reason you think are more credible than the saints who wrote the bible. You've read the shit and take it on FAITH it works.
>>767861839
Sorry, but that is simply not the case.
>>767861839
Applying the knowledge produced/acquired by scientists leads to evident changes in reality. When we do the same with saint's "knowledge", we do not see shit.
>>767861086
Nope that is a tradition of men trusting that is foolish. Better rather then to not read what the book says.
Adam and Eve where the first HEBREWS not the first humans. They did not eat apples or fruit. They had sex with each other and Lucifer thus allowing Lucifer's offspring in to the World which was NOT Gods plan.
The sin we are born with carries over from our time as Gods Angels. A war in Heaven in which Lucifer decieved a third of Heaven and Confused another third. The fiinal third while loyal to God demanded the deaths of the other two and began killing one another.
So God insisted that all be made flesh and be born live and die so that we would hopefully gain sympathy for one another (Not that it is working)
There were no apples being eaten as original sin. Original sin is with you before you were ever even born.
>>767861839
Did the saints provide experiments that people could independently use to verify what was written in the bible?
Or did they go "trust me guys, this belief that grants me special social status is totally legit".
>>767862039
kek, I remember you.
>>767861839
Man stop arguing with him he will never understand
He has been sistematicaly dumbed and indottrinated and a few text online won't help him just tell him about jordan peterson and pray for his lost soul
>>767862039
That's a great story and all anon, but can you actually verify this beyond a book claiming this while providing no proof?
>>767862007
We did its called The Bible
everything is made up and the points dont matter
you spend your days justifying some shit people wrote thousands of years ago because it makes you feel superior, not because it means anything. let it go. you must let go of lies to truly be free.
you're an animal just like everything else. the only difference is humans evolved the ability to categorize complex memory. we're literally just pattern absorbers, the problem is we have no way of telling which patterns are worth absorbing. so we end up with a bunch of retards running around claiming their moral ideology is the correct one, even though there is no proof either way for any of them. just faith.
if you cant turn a critical eye on your own thoughts, you are already lost.
>>767862246
I'm the guy he's talking to.
>Jordan Peterson
ayy lmao
>>767862366
You writing this feel superior, not him.
Go , watch jordan peteron on youtube or even a short part took randomly from his lecture and see for your self if the book is that stupid as you think
>>767860935
>Hw the gays are have more rights than the owners. The owners can tell the gays to gtfo if they are not buying anything.
Not quite true. The two black Philladelphians who hadn't bought anything, and
https://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-couple/
say purchase is irrelevant, and discrimination cannot be a factor in refusing service. DO NOT confuse that with me saying it's wrong. I'm saying it happens.
Now we get to whether the bakery has a right to refuse service. It's not like it's a monopoly. There are other bakeries. A point was being made and the bakery was the brunt of it.
Obviously what I think doesn't matter - I accept that. But like being gay is not a choice, I can't help that but feel that the store has rights too, and two people were put out of business because of hate, and others are basically extorted into compliance.
Fir gays, yay. For religious cuckoos, boo. Somebody won, somebody lost, and it's a judgement call. I'm claiming there was no logic in it. It's based on *current* social trends.
>>767862646
Spoiler alert: It is.
>>767862720
>the store has rights too
The religious freedom laws are coming, Trump is moving them ever closer, soon people will finally be allowed to discriminate based upon such merits and the world will slowly become a better place as gays find fewer and fewer places they can hide.
>>767862646
i am not superior to anyone, but i sure as hell don't believe in fake sky humans.
grow up and let go of the things you only believe because you were told them since you were born. religion fucks with you deep. we accept things that are repeated to us because that is how our brains function. it is a pattern. and these lies have been repeated to pattern sponges for thousands of years. it's an appeal to tradition. an appeal to authority. the entire concept hinges on at least a dozen logical fallacies.
the bible is full of hypocrisy. i have read it. reading it was what led me away from religion in the first place
>>767862720
Agree with you on that. Purchase should be relevant. It is a business, not a free for all club. Assuming reasonable time for deciding on wether you purchase or not is a given.
>>767863108
Again, if the gays pay taxes that support the legal framework and your business operates under that legal framework, then they have the right to engage in business with you, given they are not being disruptive.
>>767861636
No. I presume you are an immigrant.
>>767863108
truly the christian way. preach love and tolerance of other people, but hate others and be intolerant yourself.
>>767857441
>You know what fuck this. Name one reason people should support gays
Why wouldn't we? It's like you're asking why people should support automechanics or some shity. There's no reason to get your panties in a twist about either of them.
>>767862646
>Go , watch jordan peteron on youtube or even a short part took randomly from his lecture and see for your self if the book is that stupid as you think
Even Peterson doesn't think the Bible is true though; the stories just have psychological resonance. He's not even sure if he believes in God.
>>767863586
christfags will believe anything and anyone as long as it boosts their ego or strokes their metaphysical cock
these people aren't looking for truth, they're looking to confirm their own bias
>>767855843
HYLE
BILBO
>>767863586
Peterson does think the Bible is true, the problem there being that Peterson believes something is true if it is useful instead of if it is actually real.
>>767855843
HELL
BOY
BI
>>767863252
>given they are not being disruptive
Being gay is disruptive as it is annoying.
>>767863347
I didn't choose to be Christian, I was born this way. Why doesn't it work both ways?
I was born into this religion and its beliefs, thus they are my way of life, yet gays want to strip that away and demand I live THEIR way.
>>767864293
nobody is saying you should be gay you mongoloid. that's a strawman.
they're asking you to be tolerant of them. which your religion asks of you anyway. jesus hung out with the lepers, the jews killed him for it.
you're being more like the jews that killed jesus than jesus himself.
>>767864293
A religious stance isn't based in biology though anon.
You were born an atheist, because no one enters this world with a ready made opinion on the origin of everything. Heck we spend our first years trying to learn not to shit ourselves and to figure out what is or isn't food.
Religion is a learned behavior, sexuality isn't.
