The only objective good in this existence is virtue. What do you do to pursue virtue?
>>767787205
Postively reinforced negativity
>>767787205
I deliberately make unreasonable choices.
Virtue is a spook, do what you want
>>767787702
Negativity in what sense?
>>767787848
How does that accomplish a virtuous life?
>>767787944
I'm certainly not suggesting any a priori as far as virtue is concerned, but do you not agree that virtue is the only objective good? Don't we have the responsibility to pursue it?
You're asking present day folk to describe a term you're classically referencing. The very concept of virtue has changed by time period and location. If you intend virtue as the classic Stoics defined it, say so. If you refer to a more modern concept of virtue, then be clear about it. Otherwise all you seek to do is muddy the waters and foster trolls.
>tl;dr, OP just learned about philosophy and wants to prove how enlightened he is
>>767788457
Obviously roleplaying, you stupid fucking newfag. Christ this is why /b/ always has been and always will be shit.
/B is shit, kys. Google Derrida
>>767787205
Define virtue. Why is it the only "objective" good?
>>767788977
Can you even read? I already conceded that point. And GOOGLE? I've been reading Derrida before you could google. Ffs a gal tries to come up with a new tread to interact with other than bbc and traps, and these fucking know nothing autists shit all over everything. You mother will die in her sleep tonight
>>767787205
Live by the golden rule. Everything else is heresay
>>767788772
You are the cancer killing /b/
>>767787205
does anyone have any emma nudies
>>767788977
What is /B?
You mean /b/, you stupid nigger?
>>767789393
Christian cuck detected
>>767787205
>The only objective good in this existence is virtue
Isn't this just a tautology? Virtue is literally defined as a moral good, isn't it?
>>767788078
>How does that accomplish a virtuous life?
Shit if I know, but I like to piss off philosophers.
>>767787205
I search for extrinsic virtue and find it meaningless as nothing can be sure to exist, but I exist and my intrinsic virtue is affected by the outside world. In a sense my tendency is to study virtue and try my best to display it to other human beings, as their happiness due to my virtue is definitely worth the pursuit
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>>767789653
Simply put, in every all-things-considered, normative value judgement, virtue is the only preferred outcome for all actors in a system
>>767789653
No. You have it backwards
>>767789862
So what's the right choice in things like abortion, euthanasia and mercy killing? Do the morals perceived right by your philosophy always apply?
>>767790098
The pursuit of Virtue asserts no a priori dictating morality.
>>767790512
Sounds like religion
>>767790904
in what sense?
>>767787205
Virtue meaning what? Actions of high moral standards, per the definition on Skynet... Whose standards?
Idk
>>767788277
This shit is circular. Of course the only objective good is living a virtuous life... That's the definition
>>767789265
>a gal
Tits or cogitate the fuck out of here Plato
Virtues are a spook
>>767789722
>their happiness due to my virtue is definitely worth the pursuit
Why? Doesn't seem worth shit to me
>>767787205
memes
>>767789862
Not if virtue is relative you dumb nigger
>>767792179
cause you choose nihilism while I choose optimism you dumb cunt. tripping really helps with that
>>767791873
Not saying it is anything otherwise. The particulars of it's pursuit is the subject of this stoikos
>>767791746
>>767792480
The hallmarks of virtue are wisdom, justice, temperence, and courage
>>767792667
No you retarded nigger you haven't justified it at all. Why is it worth it? You haven't answered shit. Kill yourself
>>767793196
I thought it was peace, freedom, justice, and security in my new empire
>>767793284
It is "worth it" by definition. You are a blight to society if you disagree
>>767793457
And you're a nigger
No matter what goals, habits, hobbies, interests I have I noticed I am never content. I am always striving for more.There is a new plan everyday yet what can I really achieve? I learn all the time and spend most my time learning about myself and my own thoughts as opposed to social activities and learning how to better interact. It feels more fulfilling and interesting living for only myself. Life is is my own to live and die and its as simple as that. I don't need a subjectively great life, just another day to experience it and ponder on what more I can experience.
>>767793726
Of course, the free will bestowed unto you by nature allows you to live such a life; howerver, regardless of how rogue you may feel, we human are a gregarious species. We live and die for the sake of each other, and it is through virtue that we ensure the best life, all-things-considered
>>767794075
I am not necessarily that free. I do work and enjoy work that provides a service. I do believe in humanity and love people, but I do not want to be involved. I just want to experience a life where I can think a lot, not worry and enjoy myself.
Most people I meet are only happy if they achieve what society told them is success and most of them aren't even that happy with their lives, but are happy with their status.
>>767787205
No. Objective good is balance. Which includes the lack of or opposite of virtue.
>>767794592
You have as much free will as you please. Virtue is not about living up to society's standards (whatever that may be), but it does demand you live for the sake of others for a life well lived.
>>767794771
False. Virtue is, by definition, the only objective good.
>>767794771
https://www.amazon.com/Purity-Heart-Will-One-Thing/dp/1604593172
I read this book once. Should probably revisit it myself, but if you want to live a simple and proud life I think you can take examples from it.
>>767787205
Well if you're op then how virtuous you are is dependant on how many dicks you suck. I'm going to follow op's example
>>767787205
Seek wisdom and knowledge, have a banquet consisting of nothing more then words. Read and learn from others but don't forget to have your own concious.
>>767787205
virtue depends on wisdom. practice buddhist meditation.
>>767795183
These are worthy endeavors, but ultimately trite.
see
>>767789862
>>767787205
Neutral Good detected
>>767787702
Lawful Evil detected
>>767787848
Chaotic Neutral detected
>>767787944
Chaotic Good detected
>>767788772
Chaotic Evil detected
>>767789393
Lawful Good detected
>>767789507
Neutral Evil detected
>>767789653
True Neutral detected
>>767794771
Lawful Neutral detected
>>767788457
>classically referencing
Bullshit, yes we use it in diffrence ways but virtue has never changed in the context of philosphy. Even after Plato, Socretes, and Aristotle have long passed Machievelli realized what virtue is even after his new modes and orders (not that he believed in having high virtue). Even John Locke and Hobbs had the right idea about what it is to be virtuoes. Just because people are retarded doesn't mean anything changed.
>>767795365
Trite or Obvious anon?
>>767787205
>The only objectively good thing you can do is be objectively good
What a genius
>>767796309
Trite and obvious. We should not "seek" wisdom and knowledge. We should practice wisdom and knowledge. The rest we already are in the midst of doing
>>767787205
Virtue is a description of good, not a moral value.
>>767796745
>>767796913
Missing the point, children. We are discussing the pursuit. Not the definition. That much is already established and known to us.
>>767795285
The application of wisdom depends on the pursuit of virtue.
see>>767789862
>>767797024
in that case I go with
>>767792172
until proven otherwise
>>767797221
Then you are existing outside of our nature as humans, thus not living your best, virtuous life.
>>767796881
Why not both? Yes I understand that we do already gain knowledge through living but why not seek it? What if their is something better to ourselves that we didn't know? You could be looking at cave images on a wall and not even realize it anon,enlightenment involves learning after all.
>>767797359
I think it is decisively within my nature to see that I that can make that decision. It is human to have an ego.
>>767797492
We are not in disagreement, but your semantics are flawed.
>>767797709
Free will to act upon your so-called ego was given to you by nature, yet you are not living in accordance with nature when you exercise it thusly.
>>767797114
the road to hell is paved with good intentions. there is no virtue without wisdom. one cannot make virtuous choices or actions without true understanding of the consequences of actions / choices. true understanding is absent without a realization of the true nature of reality. those who attempt to act or choose with virtue without wisdom are simply acting in ignorance / delusion, like the blind leading the blind.
>>767798034
You evoke a Christian understanding of existence which was influenced primarily by Stoic ethics. Ergo, you are agreeing with me. Wisdom is, certainly, a hallmark of virtue.
>>767787205
do whats going to keep me awake the least at night, for better or worse
>>767797985
>Exercise my nature
>Not living in accordance with ego
dearest Anon, pick one.
>>767797985
No we do disagree in some reguard, you say that we are in the middle of learning and our focus should be in practice. I think we should go out of our way to learn more then we practice.
>>767798391
i don't evoke anything christian whatsoever. i explicitly, and specifically reference buddhism.
i continue to refute your belief that virtue somehow precedes wisdom, which is an obvious falsehood and impossibility. your notion of virtue is vague, sloppy, and errant from it's true meaning; indicative of someone lacking the ability to reason clearly.
>>767798763
Road to hell... blind leading the blind (book of Matthew... these are part of the Christian ethos. Do try to keep up. At least Google a good response. Wisdom IS PART of virtue? What is so difficult to comprehend, my lackadaisical "Buddhist" friend?
>>767798714
You remind me of the college student who is afraid to go out and do something with his studies. Of course ATTAIN knowledge,but it is far more important to use it.
God is Dead, the only way to save him is a true philosphy bored.
Thoughts?
>>767787205
SToicism is a même Philosophy go the fuck back to Rereddit if you can't handle Spinoza
>>767798763
>evokes christian themes
>"i don't evoke anything christian"
retard
>>767799356
I agree with Hawking when he says philosophy is dead
>>767799220
you might want to educate yourself on some history, these concepts, such as acts done with good intentions but in ignorance, leading to hell realms, or the blind / deluded leading the blind, were part of buddhist canon before christianity ever existed. DERP. kys faggot
>>767799725
the time of the historical buddha is also well before the time of socrates or plato. noobs...
>>767799725
Okay you are now spout complete, ignorant nonsense. You lack contextual knowledge of the subject matter, and, frankly, you speak like someone who took a philosophy class and read zen the art of motorcycle maintenance. Go the fuck to sleep you monkey
>>767799879
And?
>>767799970
kys you uneducated moron. typical christian.. thinking their religion owns such ideas or even originated them.
>>767800326
I see. obviously a troll. I apologize for feeding you, You stupid son of bitch. what a fucking joke.
>>767787205
I seize the power to manifest an imperfect shade of virtuous nature from arbitrary sources, arbitrarily. I do not see an absolute morality from where I stand. I cannot find an objective value that is the quality of being virtuous. There is no true proper or improper way to do anything. Nothing in nature of that quality is seated within my reach. I do what seems good, even when it is not good. I do what is not good, even when it seems good. What I do is ultimately not calculable in terms of an absolute righteousness- or, that is to say that I cannot know to be able to do such a thing. Or, to say that something of that nature is even calculable or extant. This is because I cannot perceive good as concrete, or having a truly distinct nature. What is good? I don't actually know. I believe I feel what is good. I believe I can reason that something is good. I cannot convince myself that I know what good is.
So I arbitrate when it comes to maximizing the benefit between myself and other actors within a given system. And I don't always act in a just manner.
>>767800635
you're deluded. you're wrong. you suck at logic / analysis. you're uneducated. and you're entitled, you think your culture owns ideas and originated them, rather than admitting credit to other cultures. aka you are uncultured. inexperienced. a noob. you sound like a petulant teenager. so yeah, you're getting trolled, by your own stupidity, and because it's easier for you to accept someone is just fucking with you, than to accept you're being fucked with BECAUSE of your ignorance.
>>767802323
In both cases, it reads like someone is being fucked with and cannot discern that they are being fucked with. In the former case, someone is fucking with someone. That can only happen if they are not aware that they are being fucked with- if they suffer ignorance in the face of being fucked, hence the matter of fucking being allowed to occur, and the allowing of wool to be pulled over the sharpie penis above their brow. The latter, someone is being fucked with because of their ignorance.
Put simply, someone is being fucked with for their ignorance, or someone is being fucked with for their ignorance. Maybe that was redundant?
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