>>767723521 >>767723588 Nobody likes tipping. But if you're a decent human being you do it and give 20%, or at the least 10%. Waiters only make like $3.00 an hour or some horsehit. Yeah yeah, it's not your fault and it's the system that should be fixed why should you take the hit bal blah blah. Say whatever you want. Your a shithead if you don't tip someone, because they essentially waited on you between a bunch of other parties for fucking nothing.
Also, there have been times where I have not tipped. Those were times only when the waitress really truly sucked and ducked everything up.
>>767723971 >if waiters do not max an amount equating to minimum wage they will be granted the difference by their employer, meaning if you do not tip you are not hurting them at all unless they are living an unhealthy lifestyle above their income >they waited on you because it's their fucking job to wait on you not because they felt like it Come the fuck on.
>>767724141 So then enjoy paying 50 dollars for a NY strip steak and baked potatoe from outback. This is the cause and effect. Europeans pay nearly 3 times as much food to get a third of the food as at an american restaurant. You sound like an edgelord because youre so broke you cant actually afford to eat out. Eat some ramen.
Tips are a reward for a job done quickly and performed well. if you went to a restaurant with a party of 4 and the server brought only 3 meals and two of them were not what was ordered you would not leave a tip
>>767724318 How is that any different from paying food+tip. The total will be the same for the customer, the upside is that you won't be pressured into donating money to te staff cause they're poor = better eatingexperience.
>>767724141 Certainly this. I disagree with black on most things but i do agree with this tipping greatly. I'm a society cuck so i still do tip but i think it should be abolished. It's fucking retarded. Why should you pay your significantly underpay your employees in certain service jobs and not others that don't receive tips? Also interesting that my girlfriend is half a jew and significantly under-tips.
>>767723521 We had a person like that come in and charge almost $400 and left no tip because they claimed food took too long. They ate every last bit and didn’t mention anything at the time. When they came back with a bigger group they all were shocked when we refused them service. Even after they were told they had the opportunity to make it right because their wait time from when they ordered to when they got their meals was 7 mins, and they refused, we told them that we only seated paying customers. They were evangelicals coming to eat after some stupid meeting. If you don’t tip, I’ll just assume you are too broke to, and won’t let you work our staff for free. Go eat kraft macaroni and cheese at home, or go eat at McDonald’s. Luckily assholes like that are the rare exception not the rule.
>>767724558 Or you give the amount based on the service you receive. Toud rather have socialism where everyone earns the same and the service is shit. Go to any restaurant that automatically adds gratuity aka a minimum wage to their waiters and youll find the service is as admirable as a sub shop fronting as a crack den. Your food will be cold. Most likely wrong and never check on you. The incentive to be a good waiter and do your job vanishes. Go to europe and every waiter/waitress is vastly entitled. Some countries even have unions. Enjoy that 6 dollar cup of coffee at your local diner...
>>767723521 Daily reminder that Americans needs to stop going to restaurants all the fucking time and learn to cook.
For millions of years humans were self-sufficient and took care of themselves and their own. For the last 10,000 or so years we started branching out into specialization (if you farm, I'll cut down trees) but even still people were dependent on very few jobs.
It wasn't until the last 100 or so years that people became SO FUCKING DEPENDENT. People can't survive now without:
>A car >A computer >A phone >A $1000 bed >A couch >A fridge >Clothes >etc
Now it's okay that we need/want/depend on all of this technology. Whatever. Our lives our improved (at the cost of not being able to live them without shelling out thousands of dollars). But the rational move for corporations in response to this dependency is to seek opportunities for repeat purchase, and charge extra for "premium" goods of no higher quality
>In 2008 smart phones were built like tanks. There are videos of them being throw off rooftops on YouTube >In 2018 smart phones crack if you sit funny and you're constantly having to pay for insurance or replace them >In 1908 clothing was meant to last MULTIPLE generations. It was crafted carefully from thick fabrics and washed by hand >In 2018 clothing wears out after you 2 years and you have to keep buying more. It's crafted by a machine from as little material as possible and washing machines are designed to beat them up and damage them
Restaurants are one of the worst offenders for wasting people's money. In 1908 people got 95% of their meals from home. Going to a restaurant was a big event, like going to an amusement park is now. The idea was that for one hour you got to pretend you were a king while people served you and waited on you. Then you'd return to reality and start making your own meals.
Does not happen in my country. no pin required. i copy most "0" tip receipts if I'm having a bad day and recharge what I feel is fair later in the month when cheap customer least expect it. The amount is usually as low as most other purchases that are made it that time so it goes unnoticed. Been doing it for years. Also if the idiot thinks that is all that is done we servers can smell how cheap you are before you are even seated and let the cooks (who are also underpaid) about the "stiff" that is wanting something extra in their food as a lesson. Could be a sneeze, spit or better yet... their sweat build up on a tucked in shirt after 10 long hours.
>>767724459 Most people would still leave a tip. That is the problem. Most people leave a decent tip for service that is not good or horrible but subar. Instead of a tip the customer should be able to rate their server on a 1 to 10 scale for the employer to pay them accordingly in wage.
>>767724518 How do you not pay a minimum wage? This would be illegal
Reminder that when you go into a restaurant, you're a GUEST. As a guest, you are allowed to congregate and be SERVED at the expense of the person/persons time. It's not your personal food dispensary whenever you feel like it, it is a place where you go to have other people do the things you WON'T or CAN'T do for yourself. Your tip is your assessment of the service your server/waiter has provided. There are people who are fake about it just to get a tip sure, but there are plenty of people out there who genuinely have a passion (no matter how small or large) for providing people with a memorable experience. Just know that they do keep track of people that come in more than once and don't tip, and through that, base level service is mostly what you will receive depending on the personal resources of your serving staff. Something is always better than nothing, you're also helping put people through schooling or educational pursuits.
>>767724914 Exactly, the novelty of restaurants were the strong point of keeping traditions and quality of food at a high. But now overly lazy populations created a surplus in demand and now we have shitty jobs for shitty corps and restaurants, with shit wage, and shit food.
>>767724914 In 1920 prohibition means that restaurants primary revenue driver (alcohol) was removed and they had to seek alternate ways to make ends meet.
Prior to this time, children weren't allowed in restaurants. It was a place to feel like a king, and you can't feel like a king if there's a screaming brat behind you. The children's meal was invented during prohibition.
Children not being allowed in restaurants meant even if you DID go to a restaurant, you still had to cook at home to feed the kids -- which also meant the kids watched you cook and learned this skill from the parents. After prohibition (and children's meals were invented) it became POSSIBLE for children to grow up seeing meals brought to them by waiters instead of by their mother. But this was only a problem for the super-rich at first.
Then the great depression came and people stopped going to restaurants as much. The only way to stay in business was to stop paying workers as much, leading to the invention of tipping. But these low wages persisted long after the depression and allowed restaurants to drive prices JUST low enough for the average American to afford them daily.
Then in the 50's and 60's the second wave of feminism hit and women decided they wanted to work instead of staying at home. This means mothers decided they wanted to solve their problems with money instead of cooking meals for their children. So the baby boomers became the first generation to grow up eating at restaurants more than they ate at home.
Then in the 70's and 80's (when the baby boomers entered the work force and coincidentally one of the most corrupt times in our nation's political history) things took a terrible downturn. Restaurants went from a place to sit down, have a nice meal, and be treated like a king to "a place to get food". There was explosive growth in "fast food" restaurants, and even sit-down places started to focus on customer churn (get them in, feed them, get them out)
>>767724957 where do you live? I refuse to believe that in the 21st century people will just ignore unexplained charges from a restaurant on a statement days/weeks after you last went there.
I don't consider myself a cheapskate, if I come to your restaurant just do a good job, quick service, service with a smile all of that and you will get your tip. I just don't think it should be a requirement I think it should be a reward
>>767724314 Only AmEx does that. We don’t take AmEx At my restaurant. When other banks call we let them know we added service because it wasn’t included, and the client was too cheap to add. I’ve never had an issue telling banks their customers are dicks. Most already know.
Live in Ontario Canada. The minimum wage is $14/hr and $12.20 for servers. $1.80 x 8 hours is $14.40 less then anyone else working in non serving job. But the server in hours in an 8 hours shift can easily make $200 in tips. They will be the first to complain if they have to tipout a small portion to the host or kitchen staff usually. So guess what in my wonderful restaurant experience as a server you better shut the fuck up with how you feel, your religion or whatever the fuck it is and do your fucking job wonderfully. Oh yeah and if the kitchen is behind it may not be your fault, but if you do not warn, me, appease me or make it up somehow guess what it is your fault for not making my experience ok and you will lose.
I am independently wealthy, and do not need to work for a living, but I achieved that status by abhorring "charity" or any form of slave labour.
Let me assure you, I am perfectly happy (and able) to pay whatever the up-front price is for any products or services that I want or need.
I am not some sort of fucking philanthropic charity for "gibedat" free-loaders or entrepreneurs wo try to "get rich quick" by paying peanuts to low-skilled staff who should know better than to apply for work in such a god-forsaken dump in the first place.
>>767725187 What we have now is a nation full of people who have in three generations forgotten how to take care of themselves. On Christmas day when restaurants are closed people FLOOD movie theaters and Chinese joints because it's "the only place to eat" (forgetting that the kitchen is a perfectly valid place to eat)
People don't go to restaurants for the experience or to feel like kings for a day. They go to restaurants in order to obtain sustenance because it's the only way people know how to live anymore. Restaurants have moved from a small and niche market to the mainstream form of eating. Most of the people I know eat from restaurants for every meal of the day.
It honestly worries me. There are people making minimum wage demanding $15 an hour because "it's not livable". The truth is that it's FAR MORE than livable but these people never had good parents to teach them how to live by their own power. They're SO dependent on corporations to take care of them that without tons of money to shell out they can't survive. Back when I was in college I simultaneously went to school AND worked (only 30 hours, though - not full time) for minimum wage. I lived in a shitty and roach-infested apartment that cost me $400 a month, and I subsisted mostly on eggs, ramen, and cereal. I lived for years on about $8000 - $10000 a year (I'd say "pretax", but with that little money I actually had no tax burden). So I'm not just some rich asshole telling poor people to be happy. I lived in poverty. And you know what? It wasn't that fucking hard. The trick is to stop wasting your money on alcohol and cigarettes and focus on survival.
>>767725275 There is no "dined out" option. Only food and drink, you go in with no rights to service. Only what is provided for you. Which can also be revoked at any point in time. The quality of that is entirely up to your behavior and mannerisms at said restaurant. (Mostly, Can't speak for poorly staffed/managed establishments.)
>>767724999 Uhm, it is? You are to be served in exchange for the agreed price, not some ambiguous tipping price. An owner demanding tipping would be succeptible to being sued. The owner has the right to decline service, but then he would also loose money. I would bet no owner would deny service because no tipping.
>>767723521 > waitresses make Decent money from tips, they are guaranteed at least minimum wage if they don't make it from tipping. > take away tipping, owner raises price of food by 15% to compensate. > owner pays waitresses minimum wage and pockets the difference.
>>767725507 When I was living like that my average meal cost me $1.50 (tax included). The CHEAPEST you can get a meal at a restaurant would be the dollar menu at McDonald's, and even then you're likely buying 2 items in order to actually fill yourself up and you probably need a drink. So it's safe to assume a restaurant is at a minimum $3.30 (tax included).
But it's worse than that. People are such fucking sheep and fall for every piece of marketing that flashes across their screen for two seconds. So people don't live off of dollar menus. Instead they believe McDonald's will make them fat because their teachers showed them "Super Size Me" (by the way, that man ate so much that he puked. It had nothing to do with McDonald's and everything to do with portions) so they go to all of these hipster joints like Starbucks or Panera. Now they're just as fat but they're paying $20 for a meal instead of $3
At $1.50 a meal, assuming 3 meals a day and 365 days a year, that means I spent $1,642.50 on food in a year
At $20 a meal, same assumptions, people are now spending $21,900 on food in a year
Minimum wage is $14,500 -- so of COURSE people don't think minimum wage is livable when they can't even afford food (much less rent, gas (because everyone forgot how to ride a bike), toilet paper, phone bill, etc). But if you cut over $20,000 off of your annual spending budget you'd be AMAZED how far minimum wage will go.
People need to stop going to restaurants and fucking learn to cook. Your meals will taste better, cost less, and be healthier.
>>767725625 Instead of half the people tipping and the other half not, now both have to pay below half the tipping price. Maybe you didn't think this through, but both customer groups would win? The waiter would be the looser, since they can earn around 20$ during rush time with tips.
>>767725580 I agree that Tipping shouldn't be required but I don't think its out of the question, I'm from England, its not required to tip, we have properly minimum wage laws here, there is a nice place in my hometown, I went in on my own, party of one. the place was heaving basically everywhere was full, guy came straight to me, found me a place to sit got me a menu and a drink quickly took my order and my food was still pretty quick considering how busy it was and he came by and asked if I was alright or needed anything twice. so when I paid I left him a 25% tip cause he did a fantastic job.
>>767725287 >Only AmEx does that. We don’t take AmEx At my restaurant. When other banks call we let them know we added service because it wasn’t included, and the client was too cheap to add. I’ve never had an issue telling banks their customers are dicks. Most already know.
What is a bank: An establishment authorized by a government to accept deposits, pay interest, clear checks, make loans, act as an intermediary in financial transactions, and provide other financial services to its customers. Also all taxes and charges must be visible nice bait tho
>>767724999 I'll say that the last thing I want is some stranger to give me a "memorable experience". I want attentive and informative service. Not some greasy shitskin tying to make my girlfiend laugh. I purposely under tip any waiter who makes too much small talk. If there are any waiters reading, be attentive and polite, not intrusive.
>>767724141 The point is to make the waitress actually do a good job. If tips are abolished then they will just be worked into the price of your meal and the waitress will automatically get them. You will get shit service because you will have no leverage in the situation and you will still be paying the same amount as if you had to tip maybe more.
I used to be able to bring in at least 100 dollars a day as a waiter because of tips. You don't have to tip anyone, but the point of tipping someone is to show them that you appreciated their service. It's common for people like hotel workers to be tipped too.
>>767725934 >Again. We have customers day in day out, we know how you will be before your food is even made. enjoy the something extra in your paid-with-cash food. >Enrique the cook was glad to help me. =) >We stick together when it comes to cheap/poor customers like you. >Needing that refill aren't you. HA! fucking cringe
>>767725413 Yeah guess what, I make that bank more money than you do, and in the US they actually investigate. I don’t even have to do anything. I just send the bank your signed cheapskate receipt as proof you recieved service and refused to pay for it.
Unfortunately our servers get minimum wage so we get fucked twice as were expected to tip despite the fact that they're making 11-15 dollars an hour on min wage (8-13$us) depending on province. I rarely tip more than 10 percent because of this.
>>767725785 They have already implemented this. What restaurant owners do is raise the price of the food by 15% so that everyone is forced to tip and then pay the wait staff minimum wage (which they were already guaranteed by law anyway) then pocket the difference. You act like restaurant owners give a fuck if it's fair or not. The only person making money from eliminating tipping is restaurant owners.
>>767725943 Uhm no, you wouldn't pay more, you would pay less than price+tips. Working in the sector: with tipping I made between 15 and 30 per hour. And in other countries the service stuff also works. Better example: did you ever see a bank worker doing a slow job?
>>767725601 Not quite, you are to be served as per request of the restaurant, the agreed price you speak of consist's of the goods you purchase plus tax. You in no way are buying or purchasing service, people often make this mistake with restaurants and go in acting like they shit fucking gold and can treat the staff like walking garbage can/monkey hybrids. The only time you "Pay for service" is when you decide to tip. Your tip is essentially your payment for the service provided by your server/waiter, and acts as a monetary Rating so to speak. Believe me when I say that a restaurant is not concerned with one individuals business, unless they are regulars or of higher financial or notable status. Yes, a business would not revoke service for lack of tipping of course, however should you repeatedly come in your service quality would be reduced to a very minimal effort or impact unless you were a genuinely pleasant person to be around/served.
>>767725813 If you want to give him free money, that's your choice, maybe you like the place or know the staff, whatever. But that shouldn't even be counted as a "tip", it's an extra. Specially because people assume that a "tip" is part of the price.
>>767726028 >OH MY GOD A GUY REFUSED TO PAY FOR SOMETHING OPTIONAL WE MUST SEND IN THE NATIONAL GUARD AT ONCE
I ring up the bank again, I say I did not leave a tip cause the service was shitty and the guy spat in my food, its an optional payment and they took it without my consent. refund it to my account. and they will because otherwise they know I will close my accounts and switch banks.
>>767725954 Why not just keep tipping? A waitress is guaranteed minimum wage, you have the power to increase your waitress pay based on service. You have the power. You want to take that power away from yourself and give it to the owner of the restaurant and be forced to pay a tip? Fucking why?
>>767726099 You don't understand. You can't be charged a random price afterwards without knowing the price beforehand. This was implemented to fight fraud, after a restaurant owner some hundret years ago charged 15k for a simple meal afterwards.
jokes on you, I only do this at places I will never visit again. so after the first time I pay cash and dont tip, I never go back there so you wont be able to "revenge" me. who is the one laughing now?
>>767726230 because we don't want to be guilt tripped into paying peoples wages. I've seen footage of waitresses literally chasing customers out of the door of places and saying to them "you forgot to tip" nobody should have to do that just to get the money they have earned. they should a full proper paycheck every week/month like the rest of the working world
>>767726292 >free education You shouldn't depend on the state to educate you. Whoever teaches you has the ability to indoctrinate you. You should instead seek knowledge yourself and learn to teach yourself.
>free healthcare Can't argue with this one. I believe that healthcare should be treated as infrastructure -- because without a healthy population you don't have a healthy economy
>no tipping This has less to do with first world countries and more to do with being literally anywhere but America. In most countries tipping is optional but not expected. In a few countries tips are seen as insulting. It's only in America that I know them to be "mandatory" (not legally mandatory, but servers make less than minimum wage)
>>767726248 But in America it means exactly what I said, they believe getting tipped is a right. They don't understand it's an extra, they think they will get extra oney every time they don't utterly fuck up an order.
>>767725887 A memorable experience is modular, wouldn't you find it correct to say that if said service satisfied your needs with an un-abrasive approach, that you wouldn't remember that the next time you decided to go out to eat somewhere? Communication is key of course, you can't just sit there and expect problems to magically disappear. Honestly can't tell if you're being socially left out or just ran into a not so savory employee. I think you're rather sensitive on the matter so your approach leaks out a bit of insecurity in public arenas. Care to share?
I like your way of thinking, anon, thank you for posting this.
I just want to add, that about 10 years ago I drove a tractor-trailer for one of those Sysco/US Foodservice/MBM type trucking companies, and my job was to deliver food to restaurant kitchens. My "work area" was an extensive urban landscape with a lot of different types of restaurants, which meant I got to see the insides of a lot of restaurant kitchens, and also see what items they used in food prep. So, in case you've ever wondered "How do I get my food to taste like the food they serve in restaurants?" I discovered the answer to that is the "Big 5": >fresh vegetables (an obvious one, but then almost every restaurant also received a huge order of:) >salt >sugar >butter >oil
I guess that's the "Paula Deen method" with the butter, but you'd encounter it in unexpected places, such as Asian or Mexican restaurants, which are not known for using a shit-ton of butter all the time, or at least not to my limited knowledge of the cuisines. The other thing I noticed, in getting to see a lot of restaurant kitchens, is how dirty a lot of them were. And the two worst offenders were: >Asian >Mexican
Things like: Me at a new delivery stop: "Ok, here's the chicken and the beef. Where is your freezer?" Guy smoking a cigarette by the back door: "No freezer. Leave it right here." (points to rickety wooden pallet on the dirty asphalt of a filthy alleyway, surrounded by dumpsters and clouds of buzzing flies) Me: "Really? Leave it here outside?" Guy: "Yeah. Just leave it here."
And THAT was when I stopped going to restaurants and started cooking at home almost all the time.
right. how do you know I am going to pay cash before I even sit down and order? how do you know I wont tip? maybe I dress like I can afford a high class restaurant and appear to be a big tipper? you are just as dumb as the OP who said that.
I can't understand why so many Americans seem to want to preserve so many forms of slave labour, rather than paying a proper living wage to employees that are capable of doing a decent day's work, for a decent day's pay,
..... we have no problem paying proper living wages to competent staff, right here in the UK.
We don't need to live on "tips" in the first place, and in the main, do not respect reliance upon (or solicited offers of) "charity".
>>767726375 You're not guilt tripped. Pay 15%. You would have to anyways! Why is your autistic brain so fucking scared of social interaction that you would rather give a corporation more money then have to do basic goddamn math?
>>767726524 > if said service satisfied your needs with an un-abrasive approach, that you wouldn't remember that the next time you decided to go out to eat somewhere
to be fair, if you were like him and your requirement for a good night out was just decent efficient service and a good meal then you probably would remember the places that made little small talk and left you alone once you had placed your order and got your food. you might remember those who tried to leave an impression on you in a bad light and not want to go there again.
>>767726242 I have full range in terms of how this works, I don't think you quite understand. I never said there was a hidden price, nor was there ever. It's just a secondary part to your bill, that's entirely optional. It's simple, if you liked the person/service tip, if not don't.
>>767726609 Honestly, because we have huge mega corporations that make billions in America and your country is too small to have huge corporations lobby and bribe your politicians to lower the wages of employees.
>>767726508 I own a restaurant. You are an entitled little shit. You never learned manners because your parents were too lazy, or you were too stupid. Either way we do just fine without garbage customers like you.
Make sure you tip. The kitchen gets even hotter this time of year and Enrique's slaving over a hot stove with a tucked in shirt that may need to be rung out when I give him the sign of a cheap customer in our fine establishment.
>>767723521 faggot be thankful for the tips you get next to your income. there are people that have nothing to eat and have real problems. i am not even allowed to accept tips at my job. fucking asshole
>>767727020 There is something wrong with you. On one hand you think you shouldn't have to tip for bad service and then on the other hand you think that you should be forced to tip regardless of service
>>767726524 If my service needs are met i log that as an experience I would repeat again AKA visit that restaurant again. Regardless if i have the same server when i go back i'm not going to pay them the same in tip. To answer one of your points i have ran in to very few unsavory waiters in my time. But that's not an appropriate word. Either they were not attentive or too attentive and were over bearing. I'm looking for the middle ground. I'm sure i'm not alone when i say that people like their privacy and intimacy with their significant other when spending good money at a restaurant. I don't need some frizzy haired faggot complimenting my T-shirt.
> "... we have huge mega corporations that make billions in America ..." ;
Yes, yes, yes. We've heard it all before, and you got there by ripping off your staff with inadequate salary/wage structures and (for centuries) undeniable unpaid slave labour.
Do you know that virtually all your insurance requirements are actually paid out by British Companies - truth is we can afford to support YOU and your fucking god-awful imessed-up State of America, in all your incompetences and ill-judged ventures.
You like to think you are a wealthy nation, but try finding out just how much you actually have in you much vaunted "Fort Knox".
..... let me tell you now, you have absolutely no Accountancy system that can show anyone that you have any National financial security whatsoever, your Country is little more than nothing but a parasitic tapeworm on the rest of the global economy.
>>767726634 No they make at least $7 an hr and average more than $100 a day on tips. I hire the best who are good at what they do. Give them all the training they need and want. So for you to come in and tell me they don’t deserve what they work for, I already know you are full of shit. And when people assume I don’t pay them a fair wage, having absolutely no idea what my business model is, that’s when I gather the staff and ask them to remember who you were. “ this person doesn’t think you are good at what you do. If they come in, remind them of that, and leave the table open for someone who will appreciate you.” Fuck you. We don’t need your second chance. Restauranteurs come to eat at my place and unsuccessfully try to take my staff. The first thing my staff does is tell them how they are compensated by the House, others don’t offer what I do and my staff refuses to take the paycut of working elsewhere. I am fully staffed and get 20 resumes a week, without making any sort of job posting. I ask if it ok to forward the resumes to my friends who own other places and are looking. I build and nurture good relationships and destroy toxic ones. As I am working on this weeks list and possible menu items it’s great to come here and have what I do validated. Thanks. Don’t ever come to my place.
>>767726289 I have worked in the industry on all fronts, and have dealt with just about all ranges of people and income based customers. So it's interesting to see how entitled and so sure of their "right" to service and unchecked behavior because they have money. Wrong, you are a GUEST the moment you walk right through that door (or exact property lines), once you fail to be it doesn't matter what you ordered you can be removed and legally billed depending on the amount. Sure restaurants push out the whole you're always right prop, and cater to your needs, but that's all just to create a lively approachable allure to bring in business. You have NO leverage over your service.
You have no right to any goods or services provided by said establishment, you are being SERVED food that you are paying people to make and serve to you. It's simple, you tip or you don't no obligation, the original issue is stating the potential purpose of tipping, not using ad hominem tactics to be a dick. I appreciate your vigor, though misplaced. Nice hat
>>767726689 Good note for sure. Like I said it's modular, the experience varies with people towards people. Everyone's different and should have some sort expectation of an upfront service. Because that's how social interactions work, also like I said, communication is key. If you are feeling a bit overwhelmed or approached to much just let them know kindly that you have everything you need and that you will let them know if you required anything else. Easy
A bad tip pisses off the servers just about as much as no tip and you still don't have to be that dirtbag who doesn't tip. If you're determined to piss off the plebs though you can be that douche who lines up a row of bills at the start of the meal and subtracts bills for every perceived slight against you.
>>767727458 What? I don't like living here. This place is a garbage fire of unfettered capitalism, but don't get too proud, the same corporations that made this a shithole can make your country a shithole if it ever seems profitable enough to. Stay small and safe.
>>767727297 Fair enough, yeah there are those (hopefully) rare points where you get some not so wanted service. Biologically speaking service has to have a standard for it to really run smooth. Yeah that experience sounds gross to say the least.
>>767728070 Because standard restaurant work is the most disgusting stressful shit ever. Unless you work in a higher income area or notably upper scale restaurant, it's all garbage and dealing with filthy commonwealth and their peasants.
>>767726946 20.00 meal Move the decimal point by one 2.000. Eliminate the back number. 2.00 10% of 20.00 is 2.00 dollars 20% of 20.00 is 4.00 See how that works? Bill is 35.60 Move the decimal. 3.560 10% of 35.60 is 3.56 cents. 20% is 3.56 x 2. 7.12 If you want to made it easier 3.50 x 2 will be close enough. 7 dollars
>>767724957 >trying to downplay your immoral and bigger-tier behavior >pretending you have the balls to actually do something to customer's food, let alone run a second charge weeks later You're a liar with no moral values or integrity, thus you're a full on nigger
>>767724455 No, like they do in the rest of the world. In Europe you get paid pretty decent as a waiter, and in restaurants almost 50% of people tip.
I used to be a waiter in a sushi restaurant. I made around 8 euros per hour for 30 hours/week. And we get to share all the voluntary tips, and that was like 150/200 euros at the end of the month. In total I was being paid around 1100€ for a 30h/week job.
Well, of course we are small - we are a tiny little island just off the coast of mainland Europe, but we created the biggest and most profitable Empire the world has ever known, before bowing to the obvious philosophical arguments that arrived at a consensus opinion in favour of independent National autonomy, on a global basis.
The rest of our former Empire may not be doing so well, now that they are governing themselves, but we are still doing quite alright thank you very much matey.
Plus, a significant part of our former Empire: is now trying its best to get right back here into the (former) Empire's "nerve-centre", right here in the tiny little United Kingdom.
> "... and safe. " ;
You can be sure than we are a damned sight safer, here in the U.K., than you are over there in your NRA control shit-hole of a school shooting, merry-go-round, dystopia.
>>767727749 I compensate my staff starting at $7 an hour when local laws only require me to compensate them at a rate of $3. None of them still make $7, they are between $15-23. The tips they get are theirs alone. At their choosing, if they want to buy in at a really low rate: medical, dental, vision, savings plans 401k. I pay for and provide them with: developmental training in personnel management, food and wine tastings, cooking and preparation, one paid vacation, one group vacation, 7 personal days, unlimited sick days and maternity leave. I had a rule that you had to be in school to work for me. Most people opted to go to restaurant schools and told me they learn more from working for me. So now the rule is: if they are going to stay in the business, they need to enroll in a culinary arts or restaurant management certificate program. Everyone else is in online classes, or take classes during the day. Some of my staff come in early to work on school projects. I love my people and won’t give anyone a second chance to insult them.
>>767728834 But the price of the service isn't included in the price of the meal, but if you want to stop tipping. It will be. Then you'll be forced to tip regardless if you want to or not. Only instead of the waitress getting the money. Shareholders and ceos will. Enjoy!
>>767726560 >the "Big 5" Earlier this year, I started going to restaurants daily after cooking at home for the previous few years, to save time to put toward freelancing & developing skills. Noticed myself adding fat after a few months. I think it's because of this: butter it up so that it sells. For example, one day I got a kale salad, thinking it would be lighter fare, but instead it was cooked kale drenched in butter and sugar, sort of like cookie dough with kale instead of flour. Since then, I got a crock pot, learned a few ways to make quickbread with baking powder, and have been working on developing a rourine of home cooking that is also time efficient.
>>767728953 >is there bad service because servers rely on tips and $3/h wage bad service isn't created by the wage/tip reliance its the people. but if someone is having a bad day for whatever reason and takes it out on customers with poor service then they don't deserve a tip and then when they don't get a tip they get all self righteous about how its our moral responsibility to tip because of shit wages
The only person that tipping actually helps is the corporate fat cat or otherwise dbag that owns the bar or restaurant bc they can get away w not paying their employees. What other industry is this acceptable in??
> "... you sound really proud of colonialism ..." ;
..... not necessarily proud of it, per se, but "we" did pretty well out of it, and so did "they", when you consider how far they've declined since "we" gave back the autonomy that "they" so foolishly craved.
You'd think some of these moronic savages would have the spark of intelligence necessary to realise what they've got, when they are given the opportunity to be guided by an intellectually superior civilization.
"The stone remains widely used in the UK and Ireland for human body weight: in those countries people may commonly be said to weigh, e.g., "11 stone 4" (11 stones and 4 pounds), rather than "72 kilograms" as in many other countries, or "158 pounds" (the conventional way of expressing the same weight in the US)."
Either way, no country actually embraces ALL of the metric system. Also, we don't use the "imperial system". The British used the imperial system. The Americans came up with the us customary standard as an improvement in the imperial system, so to not be outdone, the British made the metric system. Which they only partially used, like almost every country partially used. Including the us. Things like medicine, alcohol, and soda and more is done in metric here. Seriously, I never understood why so many people get so uppity about metric. Yeah, largely it is better.
I think just about everybody in here justifying the fact that tipping "should be abolished " is retarded. Tips aren't free money YOU ARE PAYING FOR SERVICE. If you don't want to pay your waiter fucking make yourself food and get your own drink you lazy ass American faggots.
>>767724957 I bet you think you're tyler durden, really showing everyone who's enlightened by their shit job. I hope they cum on your burger next time your in a McDonald's because you didn't tip. Those people work just as hard and yet there's no stand they feel they need to take. Stop overstating the qualifications required to do your shit job. Anyone can do it, you deserve minimum wage.
>>767729541 The waiter doesn't make the food, it just walks it from the kitchen to my table and refills my drink once or twice. If anything the cooks are the ones that deserve a tip, not the fucking waiter
>>767729683 I think thats what a lot of people do, but you still need to work out an amount so you know what to round off to. if the exact tip amount should be $19.21 you wouldn't round that down to $15 would you, you'd round it up to $20
A model of interrelated units was first proposed in 1861 by the British Association for the Advancement of Science (BAAS) based on what came to be called the "mechanical" units (length, mass and time). Over the following decades, this foundation enabled mechanical, electrical and thermal units to be correlated.
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