The Abrams can auto target and fire. Has a much more sophisticated array of shells and can do it all at 40+mph.
I don't know if the barrio of LA would be much of a factor, but I think the Tigers would be scrap in minutes.
One hit from the side or the rear and the Abrams is gone.
the t-72s in Irap were outdated and in no way competitive as well as out of supply. Instead of getting the new version of the T-72 which was more than capable of dealing with the abrams, Irap decided to make their own which was basically a copy of a first generation T-72. So it's not that it was a bad tank it's just that it shouldn't have been in that situation because if I am not mistaken the version of the T-72 used in Iraq was fairly old by that time
Tiger II shells as well as most WW2 shells (at least on the german and soviet side) had an explosive filler unlike the APFSDS currently used which means once it penetrated the side of the abrams it would detonate basically killing and destroying everything and everyone inside. Think of it as a bit of C4 blowing up in a tight compartment
>T-72 got beaten because it was old
>hey I know! Let’s simulate a scenario where the Abrams is pitted against tanks 30 years OLDER than the T72!
>it’ll surely lose then!
If that’s the case, why not go all the way back and match it against a Renault FT17? Or a British Mark I?
Lol, 8 tigers are gonna have some malfunction and will be all but useless. The remaining 2 will be picked off easily.
But even if the scenario is about 10 perfectly functioning tigers. Do they even have they capability to pierce modern tank armor?
only a rear shot sounds even remotely reasonable
their only other option is a mobility/firepower kill by hitting the tracks or the barrel, but those are very weird targets to be trying to hit
>hitting the tracks or the barrel, but those are very weird targets to be trying to hit
Well, hitting the tracks from the side doesn't sound too unreasonable. Aiming for the tracks when flanking another tank was a standard tactic back in WW2.
But I can totally imagine that even a stationary Abrams 'turret' could still take 10 tigers. I'm not convinced they could bring it down even with a bunch of shots to the back of the Abrams.
it would depend on what parts of the abrams have chobham armor, which i could see not being the case since modern doctrine is most armor on the front + front towards enemy, possibly also if the tigers are using aphe or apcr since the former usually lacks as much penetration. even if they did get through the rear however, the engine would block shrapnel and whatever was left of the penetrator, as well as the fire wall tanks have between the crew compartment and the engine
The front of tank is a lot more heavily armored than anything else, as well as the turret.
I wouldn't be too surprised if the side and rear could be penetrated by a Tiger ll, any either way getting shot a dozen times by an 88 could probably damage various components.
Not going to say /thread due to it being a simulation, but... This scenario doesn't even use the Abrams fire on the move with the same accuracy as stopped ability.
i wish i could find the article again, but there was a story about a tiger on the eastern front that took dozens upon dozens of hits from soviet at rifles as well as cannons. it was never penetrated, but the force from the impact from some hits actually rendered its gun unusable and damaged its engine, and out of the two days it was deployed it spent most of the time running away or under repair because of it
obviously an abrams is going to be far more resilient to something like that, but that doesnt mean its going to kill all 10 tigers without a scratch
Questionable how well these vehicles are designed in the first place, think a lot about Abrams is classified still, and a Tiger is never going to penetrate the front, which is why the setup is in Los Angeles so there's a chance to flank and close range battle.
I can see that, but it still a Tiger tank which is fired by the crew and the Abrams crew that just selects a target and the tank's computer will keep perfect aim over any terrain and at any speed. The Abrams also has armor piercing shaped charges that should cut through them like butter.
Ofcourse, Abrams can penetrate a Tiger from any angle with ease, has mobility, agility, reload, range everything, but thats why it makes a massive difference where they are fighting, as in a large open field the Tigers dont have a chance.
In an urban area they could hide and shoot it in the side and rear would should have some effect I think.
you are both retarded. M1A1 Abrams has 250mm of side armour at most (against kinetic projectiles), which the KwK 43 can penetrate with APCR at 500m and the weaker part is only 150mm which it can penetrate with APCR at 2000m and beyond. With APCBC that has explosive filler that would destroy the interior in one shot or detonate ammo it can penetrate the weaker side armour (majority of the side) at beyond 2000m.
And if it gets behind it the Abrams is fucked at any distance.
not to mention I forgot to add the Abrams has a giant shot trap under the turret which has no composite armour, so if the Germans get lucky they could even one-shot it to the front.