>>767705303 oh fuck yes. because in any cause, the most important part is WHAT YOUR FUCKING FLAG LOOKS LIKE.
when the ecofascisti get organised, you can march up the front. waving the flag. it had better be made of renewable and environment friendly materials, or some other, more committed fag is going to shove the flagpole up your ass until it comes out of your mouth.
>>767707451 Well, the flag is important. You don't want to be flying a flag that some Ledditor made based on the NSDAP and the Legionary Movement (as nice as the flag and the movements might have been).
>>767707663 >First of all, we're talking about fascism, not anti-fa you self-righteous sperg.
do you even know what a fascist is? your confusion is understandable, because there are a lot of people using fascist tactics who call themselves antifa. sort of like rapists calling themselves freelance rape trauma counselors.
>Secondly, we're not vegans. We hate vegans because they eat our lovely nature. What's the point of all these high-tech military operations if vegans are just going to chew through them all?
if you're not vegans, then you should be planting meat. which is kinda what freelance rape trauma counselors do.
>>767707920 rreeeeee Street fights aren't an exclusively fascist tactic you fucking retard, in fact the big fascist paramilitaries (the Iron Guard, the SA, the Blackshirts) all got their start opposing Communist street gangs. Read a history book goddamn.
>One Party System >Collective is more important than the individual >Promotes revolutionary change over gradual >Rejection of free market society >Government control is necessary >No individual rights >Use of violence or dictator techniques >Controls religion >Planned economy
>>767708842 >fascism has classes, Marxism doesn't >fascism allows private property, Marxism doesn't >fascism allows private enterprise, Marxism doesn't >fascism is nationalist, Marxism is globalist >fascism is religious, Marxism is atheistic >fascism is autochthonous (Codreanu, Hitler, Mussolini all derived their ideas independently), Marxism derives directly from Marx >fascism is idealist, Marxism is (or pretends to be) materialist >fascism promotes the family, Marxism is anti-family (free love in Moscow) >fascism is anti-Semitic (either explicitly as with Hitler or implicitly as with Mosley), Marxism is shot through with Jews
>rreeeeee they're both anti-capitalist so they're the SAME!!!! ;-;
>>767709361 Socialism and Marxism are literally not the same, that's the point of my fucking post, you stupid boomer faggot. Fascism is a kind of socialism. It's socialism for the nation, which is why a synonym is national fucking socialism. It's socialism without trannies, Jews, faggots, or national dissolution followed by a fire sale to international capitalists (looking at you, Soviet Union).
>>767709628 Fascism L I T E R A L L Y does not propose the seizing of the means of production (unless you consider nazbols fascists, which is debatable). You're spouting Marxist garbage and trying to attribute it to fascism.
Fun fact, the Nordic model much vaunted by democratic socialists, the bane of free market shills? It derives from Mussolini's Italy.
>Collective is more important than the individual No. Fascism actually endorses the individual because they make up the collective. Communism will not allow individualism because they fear it will lead to "greedy capitalism". >Rejection of free market society Fascism allows private businesses. Communism doesn't. Have you paid attention to your marxist history teacher faggot? >Government control is necessary By that logic, all ideologies require necessary governmental control. Conservatives and liberals want some form of governmental control. This is something an anti-fa anarchist faggot would hold against people that want to be civilized. >Use of violence or dictator techniques WOAH, FASCIST AND COMMIE POLITICAL EXTREMISTS! YA KNOW WHO ELSE HAD POLITICAL EXTREMISTS? REDNECK CONFEDERATES, LIBERTARIANS, IDENTITARIANS, ANARCHISTS, ETC. I bet you've seen your faggot friend chuck a molly at someone's house because they were deemed too authoritarian for his antifa ass. >Controls religion There are different types of fascism. Look up Positive Christianity you fucking faggot.
I've ignored half your other points because my answer covered them for one of your other points. Go suck a bong, degenerate.
>>767709978 They're communists but communists who want nationalist authoritarian governments as the end goal, and hate Jews. I figure eventually they'll realize that communism is Jewish and become Strasserites so I play along.
>>767710049 >get BTFO >y-you're just low class! Embarrassing.
>>767709987 >Fascism The nation using capital for its own purposes >Liberal capitalism International Jewish capital using the nation for its purposes >Communism International Jews agitating the proletariat against nation and capital
>>767710373 I'm not an ecofascist per se but I get where you're coming from. In my ideal fascist state we'd have a sort of parliament where different fascist factions could hash out policy. I think green fascists would have a seat at the table since a nation of concrete and steel but no forests or wildlife would be dreary as fuck.
>>767710566 I like that idea. One of my concerns about fascism was the ideal of a single man leading the country and how corruptible that is, especially if someone with a different ideology snuck in. And if I'm being honest, the thread is pretty much a joke, I mean I'm pretty much a national-socialist on just about everything, and i do see the importance of nature and how it should be preserved, while still keeping in mind that humans are superior and it is neccesary to exploit nature to expand ourselves, as long we aren't causing detrimental(E.G. extinction)or long-term damage to the environment. I grew up believing in left-wing values, and the environmentalist still sticks with me. I just found the image of seed bombs online and thought it was fucking hilarious and awesome and decided to create a kind of semi-serious meme around it.
>No. Fascism actually endorses the individual because they make up the collective. Communism will not allow individualism because they fear it will lead to "greedy capitalism".
>In particular, fascists criticized capitalism not because of its competitive nature nor support of private property, which fascists supported—but due to its materialism, individualism, alleged bourgeois decadence and alleged indifference to the nation.
HMMMMMM OK BUD, good try.
>Fascism allows private businesses. Communism doesn't. Have you paid attention to your marxist history teacher faggot?
Depends on the type of communism, faggot.
>By that logic, all ideologies require necessary governmental control. Conservatives and liberals want some form of governmental control. This is something an anti-fa anarchist faggot would hold against people that want to be civilized.
I was actually describing an attribute of both, which are both true. Governmental control meaning what you can and cannot say. You won't find that in America.
>WOAH, FASCIST AND COMMIE POLITICAL EXTREMISTS! YA KNOW WHO ELSE HAD POLITICAL EXTREMISTS? REDNECK CONFEDERATES, LIBERTARIANS, IDENTITARIANS, ANARCHISTS, ETC. I bet you've seen your faggot friend chuck a molly at someone's house because they were deemed too authoritarian for his antifa ass.
But once again, to prove they're similar in many ways, that was posted. Is it not true? Because you're acting like a little bitch right now.
>There are different types of fascism. Look up Positive Christianity you fucking faggot.
Oh, so there's different types of fascism but not communism. I get it now.
So back to your job, how much do you think you're worth?
>>767710880 No, there's different kinds of communism, too. Just like there's different kinds of liberalism. It's almost like the three are incredibly broad political theories that can have different formulations. How can you be such a fucking retard? Please don't post again, this is embarrassing.
>>767710879 Which is exactly why that's never ended well. There's always issues with societies that force people that provide services, into slaves essentially. Capitalistic societies pay people what the society thinks they're worth.
So, if you're good at a certain thing that people need, you'll make a ton of money.
But if you work at Burger King making $8 an hour thinking you should be making $15, I have some bad news for you.
>>767710879 Yeah I'm not big on the Fuehrerprinzip. I get where it's coming from, with the war footing and the conflict between the Strasserite wing and the Hitlerite wing, but I think it was a really bad idea. I'm more on board with the parliament of unions Mosley proposed (obviously some unions putting up greener representatives, some unions putting up more traditionalist types or futurists or socialists or what have you).
>>767711196 I can recommend you some books so as to educate you and push you away from being such a circumsized-dicksucker.
>I can recommend you some books so as to educate you and push you away from being such a circumsized-dicksucker.
>here, let me show you some more fantasy books on why this "perfect" ideology has either failed, never been "truly" implemented or just doesn't work because of some dumb fucking reason. Anyway, give me your shit.
I believe it could work if there was a lot of planning that went into it, to make sure it stayed single-party and not corruptible, the problem is I don't know enough about the inner workings or how someone would go about doing it.
If done right, then subsequent leaders could more or less stay productive and change a few things around, and seeing as how fascism is essentially national populism, I'm sure if there's a big enough issue then something will be done about it, even if it's not ideal.
But anyways, It's like 3:00 in the morning, I think I'm gonna hit the hay now lol.
>>767711468 I'm not a commie bro, I don't do the "it's never been tried" schtick. It's been tried, it's currently being used, and it works.
Anyway, for cuckservatives I like to recommend Pat Buchanan's works followed by Hoppe's "Democracy: The God that Failed." Neither of them are fascist; Buchanan is a paleocon and Hoppe is an ancap-cum-monarchist but they'll help to deliberalize you. After that, or if you wanna jump right into fascism I'd offer you Mosley's "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." It's a short little pamphlet, about fifty pages, about the British fascist platform. The Doctrine of Fascism by Gentile and the Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest-Slavery by Feder are also good. I'm a big Codreanu fan but I won't recommend For My Legionaries until last, it's a fascinating read and he has good ideas but the Iron Guard never took power or articulated a platform so it's of limited use unless you're into ideas rather than policy.
>>767710880 >Wikipedia/unsourced quote Nuff said. >Depends on the type of communism, faggot. And yet you shortly mock that I pointed out that there's different types of fascism, faggot. >Governmental control meaning what you can and cannot say. You won't find that in America. Wait so you're talking about speech restrictions? As in...? >But once again, to prove they're similar in many ways, that was posted. Is it not true? Oh dear, you're a repeating record.
>>767711468 >>767711335 >implying that democracy is literally non-corruptible Here's a wake up call faggot: The two party system just gives another party to corrupt instead of one. I'll also take "voter fraud, dumb populace, and special interests" for 500, Alex.
>>767712111 Fuck liberal democracy. However I think that the problem is in the system rather than in the idea of multiple parties. Not to mention that the parties tend to converge on the "center" of liberalism which is literally just rule by Jewish capital. Meanwhile a fascist "parliament" (I don't even like the word because it implies liberalism) representing the corporations would converge on the fascist mean.
Everyone would be a fascist, see, but we can do ecofascism, futurism and so on as the situation calls for.
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