>>767702830 >Stillmatic Nigga said that vaccines were poison and he wasn't being historic. All he did was do gay jokes in the jay diss, the only really good song was that you're the man song. And those other two albums aren't even as good as NIGGER (untitled) album because before that he was a hypocrite and was still lying
>>767703407 You'd probably like XXXTENTACION, if you listen to Jocelyn Flores and Everyone Dies in their Nightmares you'd probably bump it. Lil Yachty too, as much of a hater as Joe Budden is even he gives Yachty props sometimes, even though his opinion is pretty garbage tbh
>>767704201 >>767704297 Since you guys both seem like old heads how do you feel about that weird cycle in hip hop where old heads (going back to the beginning) are always haters and try to teach new kids to be haters?
Like rap used to be exactly like the Sugar Hill Gang, and then it got a little more fun and dumb, and then gangster rap, and every 5-10 years people drew the line and didn't listen to any rap past that.
Like old heads shit themselves if you mention that Tupac and Biggie aren't that great, because they both said a lot of dumb shit, Biggie's second album was half trash, and people act like Tupac was deep and woke as fuck but he was only like that like a quarter of the time, and he had the same flow and tone in like every song.
>>767704297 Uzi is trash lmao. I'd never listen to Uzi, but if I had to, like gun to head, had to listen to a new rapper I'd go with him. I draw my line of what I consider good at Oxymoron by Schoolboy Q, and then everything just goes to shit
It's like hip hop fashion, right now dudes that dressed in baggy clothes and shit of that era are acting like skinny jeans are stupid and make you a fag, even though their parents thought they were fags for sagging, and their parents thought they were fags for addidas suits and shit
>>767704577 >Uzi is trash lmao. I'd never listen to Uzi >trash >never listen to Right... Joe Budden felt the same way about Yachty and then he liked him, and then he yelled at Yachty like an angry old fuck for an hour making himself look like a dumbass
>>767704558 Dude its called "Juvenoia" and its well documented. People will always think the newer generation is worse. Its documented that at one time people thought the new generation READING BOOKS was bad. Fucking Vsauce has a whole video on it.
>>767704558 I feel like it's just always going to happen. Rap culture is constantly changing, and I don't think it's gonna stop. My dad listened to A Tribe Called Quest and The Beastie Boyz when I was a kid, and didn't like the rap I liked. I hate the rap my little brother and little sister listen to, but that's just how rap is changing. I wouldn't go out of my way to say tell my sis that I don't like Chance and Cole or tell my little bro that $b is ass.
>>767704887 That sounds interesting as fuck, I'll look that up.
It's just kind of upsetting that it's always "woke" heads that listen to conscious rap are always so intolerant.
>HEY THIS RAPPER RAPS ABOUT TOLERANCE AND NOT BEING A HATER FUCK ALL THESE FAGGY RAPPERS THAT HAVE A PLACE IN THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE LIKES WHAT I LIKE REEEEEE
>>767704919 Rap is having that cycle a lot faster now because new rappers that you could say are good or bad, are starting to break away from the typical standards of how hip hop music is made and a lot more music is being incorporated and flows are changing.
>>767705231 Canibus was a legit lyricist, but holy fucking shit, if you guys haven't seen him battle Dizaster... He was so bad, nigga pulled out a notebook halfway through... If you have the actual willpower to watch this it'll depress you more than Requiem for a Dream or the end of Click. https://youtu.be/l9KjsBIsr2g
>>767705247 I honestly think he's forcing it so hard, he doesn't want to be forgotten, but instead of being really honest like Jay did on 4:44 he decided to act like he has the biggest dick on the yard and tried to be like dad rock and rap god at the same time.
>>767705092 I feel like the rapper is only half the battle, and that you really have to consider the producers as part of the equation, especially as you go further right on the timeline.
When the lyricist and producer are generally one and the same, like MF DOOM,or even Dr. Dre, or fuck, even Ludacris, then you've got something really special. That counts.
If you accept this, you can usually find 1-2 songs for every rapper who's named in these "best rappa evah" threads that you like. I'd bet that they're produced by the same person/group. Great example is the Neptunes, if you've never heard of them.
Also, generally there are popular lyricists vs. "woke" lyricists in every generation. What makes one "god tier?" Is it the ability to make you think, or deliver a impactful message? Why is nobody talking about MURS? Is it the ability to get a room full of people jumping and have over 9000 white kids screaming lyrics that they barely understand? Fucking Biggie, JayZ, even Sean Whatthefuck Coombs.
Also, how come Lil Kim is never on here? That chick inserted herself into a culture that was routinely rapping about women are pretty much worthless sluts, and she hung with them.
Anyway, that's my 2c. Fuck it. I'm going to go listen to 1985 for the 20th time this week and bemoan the existence of Swae fucking Lee and Lil Dump.
>>767706346 "God tier" means that they stood the test of time. They have to be "woke", excellent lyricists, and have memorable scream as loud as possible when you hear them lyrics. If they lack the woke, they're just generic shallow rappers. If they miss the lyricist part, their rapping skills aren't where they should be. If they miss the ability to have lyrics that make a crowd jump and yell out in unison, then no one will remember them.
>>767706346 Lil Kim was pretty fake tho, she was basically a woman trying to rap like a man, instead of being a rapper who was also a woman like Jean Grey or Lauryn Hill.
Dre, we have to remember, doesn't actually write, and although I love Eazy E he only wrote like his last two albums himself, otherwise it was all Ice Cube.
Murs suffers from what most small rappers suffer from, and that's just being good enough to listen to, but boring to listen to.
God tier is on a case by case basis, some rappers are god tier for some reasons, other for others.
You just have to make your case and try to be objective. It's easier to talk about god tier albums tbh.
I went through entire discographies, met a lot of old rappers, producers, new underground rappers that are like Dumbfoundead level famous, and was immersed in the culture for years, in person, and I know a lot of the history, so you can mention whatever you want, I do know who the Neptunes are, and that kinda makes me feel old now that I think about it, but Pharrell didn't age, so maybe I didn't either, and he's a lot older than me.
>>767706706 I don't think being woke or a lyricist is a necessity tbh, we can look at Tupac and see he's not a lyricist, just found a flow that worked for him, we can look at Biggie and see that he wasn't woke, we can look at ODB and see that he was just a coked out dude that had a sick flow, but that's about it.
>>767706615 One of the best albums of all time tbh, he was taken from us too fucking soon
>>767707661 He's too far up his own ass since TPAB, even though I think DAMN is his best album, he's really forcing it for most of the album, if he had done more songs like DNA and Element I'd love that shit.
But lemme tell you, NOTHING is worse than the following rappers: Hopsin, J. Cole, Lupe Fiasco
As much shit as I talk about Nas, Nas is at least intelligent, those niggas are full of shit, I like Nas when he talks more than when he raps, when he raps he tries to be hard, lies, and if he weren't on such a high horse all the fucking time his hypocrisy would just be whatever.
>>767707098 >>767707399 I like the album point. Every rapper has put out at least one shitty song. I also like your point about trying to be objective. I definitely don't know everything, but I think I know more than the average NEW CHALLENGER APPEARS that will step up and claim a "best rapper of all time."
>>767708189 It's hard to be objective, so I think you really need to talk to people who don't like whoever you like, and if you can get them to see any merit, even if they don't like that person, then that's a plus. There's never gonna be a rapper everyone likes, but there are rappers we can agree are good even if we don't like them, or like them very much at least.
The only reason I fight Nas so much is because I listened through his whole discography as a kid (up to Life is Good) and I actually was like wow, he's so woke or whatever, he's rapping about something, but rapping about something doesn't mean you're good, doesn't mean you're right, doesn't even mean you understand what you're rapping about.
That's why I hate Hopsin, J. Cole and Lupe
Here's the gist of why Nas and Will.I.Am (on Street Livin): shit is fucked up, institutionally you are fucked if you are poor or a minority, here's the objective situation, I know it's hard, but you have to overcome it
Them: wow you don't overcome it just because you want to be cool and a thug, women are just hoes and black people are just stupid because of the rap music that is popular PLZ BUY MY ALBUM IM WOKE
Like half of the time they don't even know wtf they're talking about. Will.I.Am says " I understand what's a nigga to choose? Be the killer or be the dead dude in the news I get it, what's a nigga to do? No education in the hood got a nigga confused"
J. Cole and them just say it's your choice and you're just being stupid, they don't live in the fucking real world, they don't understand real life and just say dumb shit.
>>767708637 I'm used to nobody liking my taste in music, but I at least know why I don't like things and why I do like things, and we're all learning at least. That's what hip hop is about, the collective conscious and understanding of each other as hooman beans
>>767708955 >It's hard to be objective, so I think you really need to talk to people who don't like whoever you like, and if you can get them to see any merit, even if they don't like that person, then that's a plus. >There's never gonna be a rapper everyone likes, but there are rappers we can agree are good even if we don't like them, or like them very much at least.
A quick example of this is when i talk about Takeover vs Ether
Ether is brilliant in its structure, it has 8 lines of semi-relevant filler that sounds good in the first two verses and then about 4 of relevant shit at the end, because that's all you remember, and then for the third verse once you're hyped he doubles down on the relevancy. but maintains the same gay jokes and random diss shit that is pretty weak, but he set up the energy for it. Who cares if Jay Z was getting chased through a building when Nas literally lies about the tech on his dresser >i showed your first tech on tour with large professor, then i heard your song about the tech on the dresser >yeah i sampled your voice you was using it wrong, you made it a hot line, i made it a hot song
Jay comes with relevant shit, things he's been accused of and actually exposes Nas, especially in the song Blueprint 2
>Cause the nigga wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright >Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice >It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write >Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"? >Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?
Going back to Ether and Takeover though, Nas clowns on Jay for Hawaiin Sophie Fame or whatever, like so? He was in a silly video being silly, nigga was working with Big Daddy Kane and Jaz-O, who cares?
Especially when Jay brings up actual album quality and shit that you could legitimately call clever instead of "I rock hoes you rock fellas" and "big dick suckin lips" Jay comes with: >Use your, brain! You said you been in this ten >I've been in it five, smarten up Nas >Four albums in ten years nigga? I could divide >That's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due >One was, no! The other was "Illmatic" >That's a one hot album every ten year average
>>767709073 >>767709209 Especially fucking J. Cole and Hopsin who literally just try to recycle their fame by doing more Ill Mind songs and having no features for the literal meme factor of it, as if it fucking matters
>>767709746 ALSO i knew a dude who was gonna be on the same sampler that the Black Eyed Peas got famous off of from Sony, but his group was late in production and didn't submit in time, but he knew Will.I.Am. and you can confirm this anywhere now, he was a fucking beast before he decided to go pop, although i like his pop style and experiments, his freestyling was insane, and he was battling KRS One and some other dudes at sundance a few months ago
i think fergie is finally out, and will says he wants to do more songs like this because he's already kind of sick of being pop and wants to explore more
>>767710411 I fucking love Necro, Sexorcist is what really drew me in, and his whole catalogue is fucking fascinating, him and his brother and his brother's group and his producing, i even saw the porno he directed, that nigga was in a metal band when he was fucking 11, and he always does some crazy good production, his work ethic is unrivaled by most, he even lived his dream and made an album with Kool G Rap
and while i'm here being a gay ass millennial writing essays, what do you guys think of this Jaden Smith song?
>>767710917 Remember that time some dude tried to fight him in a metal concert and he fucked him up and he tried to sue Necro for fucking him up?
So as I was looking up Necro's incident in Perth I realized... they let Necro into the country, but not Snoop Dogg, because Snoop Dogg is dangerous... because of his music... I don't wanna say racism, but Necro has caused fucking riots before, literal riots.
>>767711416 not him, but what about this one? everyone loves this song usually, based on the manson murders, and references creepy crawling, a practice employed iconically by the manson family during home invasions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNrMKoqrt9U
Imagine fucking Death Grips but on ketamine naked and running through the streets raping dead fetuses outside of the local abortion clinic. Clipping is the future of rap and even though this album is old enough to be the sexy body of your fucking grandmother it goes harder than and ODing cocaine addict.
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