Theists: Convince me your God is real using reason.
That's reason. Not absence of evidence is not evidence of absence bullshit. That only convinces me that it is not theoretically impossible for any number of greater powers to exist.
If you cannot prove with reason, please stop asserting your god's existence as fact.
>>767654096
I hope this comes across as reasonable enough: Faith is not a decision based on evidence, nothing could ever prove the existence of God. But many things we do as human being are not based on evidence, in fact, anything we might call truth is subjective and our highest values, like love, are not based on evidence but on faith and feeling. Doubt will always be there, but if you're ready to make that commitment to love God, take that leap!
>>767654096
>Theists: Convince me your God is real using reason.
YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD. SHOW YOUR DICK. THIS IS NOW A FAGGOT PORN SPAM THREAD.
>>767654386
>In fact
>Truth is subjective
In fact, true things must be either self-evident or based upon things which are. Subjective truths are one of two things:
1) Opinion
2) Belief
>>767654769
Ând which truth is purly self-evident, and not just by sheer definition?
Proving god exists is easy: people believe in a deity.
Example, you have thoughts and feelings right?
Prove it. Technically, you cannot.
>>767655036
Literally every empirically tested hypothesis.
>inb4 doesn't know what empirical means
>inb4 doesn't know what a hypothesis is
>>767654096
Mystic Jews had a spiritual experience they termed god, I've experienced the same thing so yeah it's real. Maybe your conception of god is wrong?
>>767655157
So you proved that the concept of God exists.
Thoughts and feelings would be identical, scientifically. They can't be proven outside of the self, however, a great deal of evidence can be given. The same cannot be said of God.
Next?
>>767655411
Not what I asked for.
Next?
>>767654096
They will never be capable of proving anything
You believe in the religion of science that says that you came from rocks. Lol you believe you came from rocks!
Big bang. Magma Planet. Rocks. Water. Life. Us. You came from rocks. LOL YOU Believe YOU CAME FROM ROCKS!!!
Religion of science people explain how life started on earth. You came from rocks.
>>767655281
No. Just no. You know how many studies get refuted every year. Not every one of them with a empirically tested hypothesis can be truth, only to be overwritten the next time a better peer reviewed study comes a long.
Here's how science works in regard to self evident truths: Science is a knowledge system intended to accumulate reliable ideas about physical reality. All knowledge systems of every stripe are by necessity based on assumed truths, but not necessarily self-evident truths.
Assumed truths avoid the seeming impossible task of having to demonstrate all truths in order to be sure there is no hidden truth which could discredit something otherwise thought to be true. This makes assumed truths acceptable by necessity, but nonetheless dangerous since their truth has not been demonstrated and therefore has unknown trustworthiness. There should always be as few assumed truths as possible before trying to reason about something.
A self-evident truth is an assumed truth for which there is strong agreement the assumed truth highly appears to be true. This could simply mean nobody has the insight or imagination to see how the truth is wrong, but it normally goes unstated.
Most people like the warm fuzzies they get from self-evident truths and work hard to have as many of their assumed truths as they can muster to be self-evident as well. Although self-evident truths might have good vibes, they are still as dangerous as assumed truths and only get to be acceptable by necessity.
Not even in math there are self evident truths. This was proven some time ago. Which is kind of paradox, to proof mathematically, that nothing can me proven. Still. Here you go.
But but the world had all the materials to make life! It must be true even if we did come rocks.
Yeah so what you are saying is if we put all the car parts in a specfic location like say a junk yard and wait 1 million years it will magically build a car all by itself? Yep, you did come from rocks.
>>767655036
Any number of them which have not and will never be refuted.
Example:
You exist.
This truth is self evident. To deny this truth is to give evidence to it because without existing how could you then deny it?
Next?
>>767654096
You fail to realize your own Divinity dear traveler. Stop looking for god outside yourself. Take about an hour to go look in the mirror and keep asking yourself "is this what I am" no matter what answer you get, ask again. God is no man, it is everything. Floating on the breeze, hiding in the dark, gliding through the low lands and sweeping all the oceans. Step outside of time and see all things from omniscience and omnipresence. Then there will be no more doubts. Logic doesn't work. You're stuck in your singular perception. Good luck.
Can anyone explain how life on earth began? I am still failing to understand how life started from a magma planet that cooled and turned to rock and water. Did we come from rocks?!?!
God's objective is to create a data set from which it is possible to create a universe that operates in complete harmony. Our universe is just an infinitesimal part of the overarching experiment. An incomprehensible number of universes are existing at the same time that we exist, and it's likely that an even more incomprehensible number of universes will be required to exist in the future. Our universe exists as merely data - it is either the harmonious universe that God is looking for or it is not. It is more than likely that we have already failed and God's eye has moved on to more promising universes. Our failures will be factored in and considered when God creates the next 100 trillion universes as an example not to follow.
>>767656807
You must learn balance traveler. You only appreciate the light when it's too dark to see.
>>767656952
sry u wot m8?
>>767655036
Any number of them which have not and will never be refuted.
Example:
You exist.
This truth is self evident. To deny this truth is to give evidence to it because without existing how could you then deny it?
Next?
>>767656052
Incorrect. I do not believe in science. I reason that science is more likely to proffer a reasonable explanation for things than religion because it's proofs rely on reason and logic while religion's do not.
Including the theory that amino acids formed spontaneously. Infinite monkeys etc. Much more reasonable than an entity that defies all explanation and is 'perfect' deciding to create an imperfect world when it could have created perfect ones.
Next?
>>767654096
>I'm too lazy to read the numberless amount of books it requires to explain the quantum physical understanding of God that ultra-super-wizards wrote down for us in books in languages they literally invented.
"how does a jet engine work? I better ask /b!"
your either bait or a literal retard. read a fucking book or go to hell.
>>767657127
>I'm too lazy to sum up or even name said book because I know it's pseudoscience bullshit and anyone with a reasonable mind would see it for what it is and not be indoctrinated into my cult.
Try harder.
>>767657305
What's that? You're skeptical of the opinions of those who don't believe in bacteria? Guess you don't really understand religion at all, atheist.
If sound reasoning for God existed, then that reasoning would be well known.
Sound reasoning for God is not well known.
Therefore, sound reasoning for God does not exist.
>>767657556
I understand religious _texts_ VERY well, in fact. I've read most of the major ones more thoroughly than the majority of their devotees.
>>767657726
And after all this reading, what are your thoughts on whether or not there is a creator?
>>767654096
Why does it matter. They believe god exists and you don't. Why are you so insecure about yourself that you need everyone to agree with you?
>>767657556
>>767657726
Before you ask:
Bible KJV and NIV both testaments
Qur'an (a translated version, admittedly)
Baghavad Gita
Torah
Book of Moron
>>767657834
Beliefs inform actions.
>>767657978
And this gives you power over me?
>>767657834
For reasons i want to understand the religious mind better (thus my reading so many of their texts) please see
>>767657996
Because those actions often go against reason, the greater good and even their own sect's codes of ethics.
>>767658060
What have you the impression I think I have, or the impression I want, power over you?
I just want to see what a religious mind thinks constitutes reason so I best know how to deal with them in otherwise unpredictable situations.
>>767658060
Do you feel in charge?
>>767656052
We are carbon based life forms you fucking idiot
>>767658313
Are you saying that you're in charge of this conversation?
>>767658141
Well I am an atheist myself. But I still respect religion
>Christianity is the basis of western culture- MY culture and MY people
>Religion provides hope for billions. The value of this cannot be overstated
>Religious serves the greater good more than it doesn't. It creates social cohesion, a shared set of values, donates more time and money than any other organization, and in the US it runs multiple at-cost hospitals for the sick and dying.
>>767658141
Oh, and I'm aware it was bait. But bait gets more responses.
>>767658480
More often than not, yes. But I want to understand the religious person's perspective on reason in case of me encountering the OTHER kind.
>>767658398
I'm in charge of precisely half of it. You're in charge of the other. I'm not the one who started throwing the concession out the window with cheap 'too lazy' shots. The one who seems desperate to control more of the conversation, I'd say, is the one attempting to direct it away from its original course...
>>767658889
You're pure evil.
>>767659072
Hyperbole won't get you anywhere, charmer.
>>767659200
What the hell is going on?
>>767659273
What the heck*
>Le bible belt accent
Don't cuss boi
>>767659441
Oh really?
Do I look like I'm in the Bible Belt right now?
>>767659537
Listen, I've been ultra polite by 4chan standards but lrn 2 humor because I've had a long as fuck week and I'm running out of calm to temper my sass.
I just wanted to sate my intellectual curiosity.
>inb4 intellectual on /b/ comments
>>767656245
Please cherry pick the most speculative theory rather than the concrete laws. Also one million years??? Try more like longer than the age of the observable universe, you don't know shit boy about math Or science
>>767656245
They just may. I don't know anyone who has been alive a million years to say otherwise. Where are your facts to discredit it.
>>767656699
I don't see any proof of existence. We could just be a sentient program or a dream of some cracked out alien.
>>767656114
Peer review is many scientist trying to disprove another scientist that has made a claim. Sounds to me like they aren't really believing the guy that made the claim. Preaching to the choir is a term coined by how faith based the church is, no matter what the priest says they will sing hallelujah. Everyone on here is either the church goer (not the priest OR choir) or someone reading articles (not the scientists that are qualified for peer review) everyone here is bitching about the SPECULATION aspect. Solution: refrain from making decisions based on speculation. In conclusion, no you retard the ACTUAL scientific community (NOT the people reading the peer reviewed data) is NOT a religion, however the people that haven't tested shit are in a belief system, learn to differentiate the two you ignorant fuck. But in the case of religion no matter which person you are, priest, choir, church goer, you WILL definitely make decisions based on speculation.
>>767660707
I didn't say I exist. I said you do. Denying it only helps prove it. Self evident.