Need to raise $100k by the end of the month.
>AMA
[email protected] to discuss
This feels like a good/weird AMA.
Probably get some good content.
kek.
What?
>>767439531
>What?
That’s not a very good question.
Need $100,000 short term 2x
>>767439531
Super non-traditional in every aspect.
Russian oligarch money would be perfect.
Or if any of you made €Ms in BTC.
>>767439704
>€???
>eurofag detected
>>767439754
California.
Style choice.
Having a great evening.
Not acting out of fear. Only love.
>>767439919
AMA
>All love
>No fear
How was ur interview with Charlemagne Ye?
>>767439973
Lol. Not Ye.
Can change things. Can blow tf up. Stepping stones are in place, just gotta pay that entry fee.
Oof
>>767439367
Why do you need 100k? What's the company? Richfag here (99% likely to not invest)
>>767440953
Industry with no market cap.
Experience working with the most historically valued material on Earth.
Relevant publicity lined up.
>>767440953
Also, more broadly, incredibly interesting with a large cultural impact.
>>767441197
All those words and not a single thing said
>>767441380
Actually I said a lot with those words.
That’s just the hook and a couple details.
Cool if this project isn’t for you though.
You’ll hear about me eventually.
>>767441197
>>767441117
So, let me get this straight. I have an extra 30-40k a month that I can use to invest in 'fun' projects. I give you the opportunity to present your product or even the basic idea of it.
You give me no information, at all. Just the vaguest description of which be used for almost anything and then make it sound relative?
>most historically valued material on Earth
One word can be used instead of those 6.
>industry with no market cap
Which one?
None of those would have revealed what exactly it is that you're doing because A) This board is full of shit no one takes seriously and B) Someone is most likely doing what you're doing somewhere else
Now, as for B), that doesn't mean you can't profit as well. Look at food for example. More than one company can make pizza and make money off it, despite not having invented it originally.
But you failed to address anything and at the same time come across as self-entitled. You have nothing right now and when you need the money for something, you have to admit that you need help because that is essentially what you're asking for when you want my cash. Because of that, I'm out.
Also, you're a faggot.
>>767441849
Concise.
I’m gonna make art out of gold, and in doing so make the commodity of the gold deferential to the commodity of the art.
It’s a move that has the confidence of some players in this industry.
I have a release event and exhibition scheduled in Los Angeles at a fine art gallery (possible to parlay into NY, Miami and Tokyo)
Publicity has been offered in a few art magazines and Hypebeast.
>>767441536
>You’ll hear about me eventually.
Local man found buried in cement. Owed the wrong people money.
>>767442172
I’m gonna die one way or another.
OTR
If someone needed their money back it’s held in the materials pretty stably.
>>767442095
Are you really so far up your own ass that you think making your art out of gold will increase the value of the GOLD?
Cool thing bro. Bump
>>767442484
Not selling gold.
Selling art.
Medium is gold.
Immediately establishes a high starting price, which is generally a challenge for emerging artists.
>>767442095
Within one post, you flipped and then realized you made an error instead of giving me all that information in the beginning.
If you can't even seem relative or intelligent on a shit board filled with retards, do you expect to be given 100k? If the people 'interested' in your concept thought it could be monetized in any way, they would've invested such a small capital into it. Either the produce is terrible, the person selling it, or in all our opinions, both.
You sound like a self-entitled child that has done nothing in business to warrant speaking the way that you do.
Also, putting 'Concise' at the beginning of your statement means absolutely nothing. Learn English please before trying to come across as intelligent.
>>767442484
And of course it will.
Gold is limited to spot.
Creating a context in which someone pays more than that IS the art.
Is the price of a Jeff Koons dog limited to the cost of the metal?
>>767442655
Concise was in response to that Mark Cuban monologue you gave me.
>>767442655
Didn’t flip either. It’s fully reasonable to expect conversing about a concept to take multiple posts.
Do you have experience working with gold as a medium? Any pieces you can show to showcase your skill?
I.e. Is your art going to be desired for any other reason other than that it is made of gold?
>>767442626
Lol it's thinking like this that makes people go bankrupt.
>>767442722
Oh so you're just far enough up your own ass to think you're Jeff Koons but with gold and that makes yours better!
>>767439973
ur new single sucks ye
>>767442917
You flipped after one post.
You're a self-entitled fool who can't just get the point and instead drones on with big words to sound important.
You will never get the money. Also, what you're doing isn't original.
>>767442957
Really the attention the art receives will be because it’s extravagant. Particularly when held against the conversational thread the art world has been having the last 100 years. Duchamp pushes us to view anything as art, and that’s devolved into lots of contemporary art being made of trash.
While I do have a portfolio of gold work, it’s from a studio that I operated (lots of work at Sundance Resort) and aesthetically far from what I’m working on now.
>>767443099
Listen dude, you weren’t interested to begin with. If I gave up because one person said it wouldn’t happen online, then I’m sure you’d be right. But I won’t and you’re won’t be.
>>767442991
Wrong. The production value is largely held in materials. The risk involved here in minor.
What makes people go bankrupt is investing more than they can afford to lose.
>>767443010
>Some people got dragon energy. Some don’t.
>>767443179
>Particularly when held against the conversational thread the art world has been having the last 100 years.
Art has been made from gold for thosands of years. How is this any different or interesting in any way?
>>767443248
On mobile. Excuse the typo.
Obviously I meant:
“But I won’t and you won’t be.”
>>767443248
You just flipped again. I tell you that you drone on and your response is more concise than ever in this thread and less about your exaggerated word base. Seriously read what you just said and how you said it compared to how you've responded before.
You're a fucking fool and a weak one at that. No wonder you're on /b/ trying to get validation for a shit idea.
I'm done. You're just a delusional loser. Good luck, kid.
>>767443407
Gold is used classically in craft, not in art. Also, the gallerist I’m working with is exceptionally smart and is responsible for getting a number of her artists collected by museums.
>>767443179
I guess what I'm trying to get at is: what is your skill level working with gold?
The skill will carry over, even though the aesthetic differs. If the art piece is just a large lump of gold, then you probably are not going to get much more in return than the price by weight. However if you have the skill to transfer into the art, then the labor and skill will make a difference in the possible return
>>767443527
Again, you weren’t interested to begin with. I’m not gonna be worried about what you do or say.
Keep an eye on Hypebeast.
>>767443560
>Gold is used classically in craft, not in art.
This is false. THOUSANDS of years. You'd think you'd at least do the slightest google search.
Its a failure. If your "art" would be something special, people would come to you. - someone made a braclett for 8 $ - P Diddy wore one of these, now everybody wants them. Hes now charging like 100k each braclett
>>767443527
>>767443660
Lol you're both dumb faggots
>>767443612
I have a production studio that that can execute masterfully.
Hypothetically, first series may include a diamond covered Tamagotchi. Fully operational. Diamond buttons.
However ultimately the goal is to be able to sell essentially a kilo bar of gold for well over spot. Isn’t that what proves out the concept to begin with?
"Hmm nobody's buying my junk art anymore. I've got it! People will have to buy it if it's made of gold! I'm brilliant! Why hasn't anyone though of this before?"
>>767443684
You want to debate definitions? The way art is understood today is very different from a cave painting.
>>767443809
So you need 100,000k to buy as much gold as possible? Is this going to be used for a single piece or a line of pieces? Do you have a source in mind to purchase that much material at once?
>>767443764
People would come to me before it’s made?
This is the most ridiculous reasoning. You have to produce and exhibit work for anyone to even know about you. Fuck outta here.
>>767443897
Uh, not what happened but go off.
>>767443914
Ok, name your definition and I'll show you something that meets it. Go on.
>>767443988
Initially a series.
5-10 pieces.
The money would fund the entire production of the work.
I have many materials sources.
>>767444076
This is such a common fucking debate.
Show me a piece of contemporary artist with gold as the medium, that’s being protected institutionally.
>>767444125
Is this going to be a line of functional art, or something more akin to simply a display piece? Who is your target audience?
>>767444196
In truth the only thing that makes art is an agreement on perspective. What I’m saying is that I have that agreement between smart and capable gallerists and media platforms.
>>767439367
Sir, i am sorry to tell you but this wont work... How long did you work with gold ? I am in a Goldsmith / Jeweller family in the 4th generation and if this would work I would have done this years ago. This concept is hardly said shit. You say their capital will be in gold - 42139,34 $ is 1 KG gold atm also add like 400 - 600 $ for producing that gold bar. Then we work the company your working with - a goldsmith which is a "master" of his art costs here around 80 - 100 $ per hour. And a Gold/Diamond Tamagotchi isnt a "easy" thing to do. You will drown in the producion costs.
>>767444258
I’m going to establish a target audience with people within the rap subculture. First release is at a gallery with a lot of credibility in that scene, which draws a large audience (usually a few hundred to a thousand at their openings.) Additionally I’ve grown and earmarked for this project an Instagram page to nearly 10k.
In a stroke of luck the gallery that’s offered to exhibit me after is a fine art gallery, which is terrific because that’s where my trajectory needs to be aligned for the work to be commodified effectively.
>>767444361
I’m fully aware of production costs. I’m second generation and I’m surrounded in this industry by people who wish it was 2004 again, pre market crash, with no business acumen, price competing to stay alive.
I think you don’t think it’ll work. But you don’t have to.
>>767444196
Wow pretty easy to win an argument when you just change all the rules. You didn't say contemporary, you said art.
>>767444440
So are you asking for investors at this point? Do you have any return structures figured out? What's the incentive to invest?
>>767444281
So partially both. Initially I’m going to make some jewelry, because it speaks to a culture. But in order to differentiate myself, it can’t all be jewelry in the series.
>>767444610
Kek. Sure.
See:
>>767444281
>>767442240
I look forward to the news article of them recovering what they could find of you.
>>767444258
Meant to tag this (>>767444671) to you as well.
>>767439367
What are you offering in return for funding? A slippery throat?
>>767444671
I'm making jewelry out of gold but it's not jewelry it's art and an original idea!
>>767444615
Yes. Simply it’s a fairly safe short term for 2x. If you’d like me to walk through those figures I’d love to go over them in detail privately.
[email protected]
>>767444859
Wow. I’m being made fun of on the Internet. Unexpected.
Hey, even if you don’t like it at least I didn’t start another tribute, kik, on/off, pics you shouldn’t share, cuck, or copypasta thread.
>>767444551
Ik that I dont have to, but as you said since the market crash the business got much harder and thats the reason... People always wish it was 2004 or whatever. IF people live in the past they wont make the step towards future.
>>767444997
Yeah, funny you’re saying that to me. I’m a futurist.
>>767444894
Well, what makes it different than jewellery? Simply the fact you are calling it art? Are you that well known in the field that your brand/name will do the selling? What separates you from the pack if it's going to be this profitable?
>>767445088
Making 4 or 5 necklaces doesn’t make the artist a jeweler.
Like I said, all art needs to be is collectively agreed upon. So far I’ve got a preemptive agreement from two galleries and a handful of media platforms.
Interesting thread. Bump
>>767445170
Did you provide examples, mockups, portfolios, or any other examples of comparable skill to these galleries before the agreement? Maybe any potential investors would like to see the same examples. What about crowdfunding?
>>767444894
I'm honestly not trying to make you angry but make you hear how silly you're being.
>>767445345
Crowdfunding doesn’t really make sense for this model. The greatest impact would happen if it were perceived to be spontaneous.
In terms of examples. These people have seen prior work, but the agreement was made because I’m fairly connected personally, if anything it was based on probably based on success in other projects and their trust in me personally.
>>767445409 #
You can explain the same concept tonnes of different ways. You saying it like a goofball doesn’t really impact the social proof I’ve already received from the concept so I’m not concerned.
>>767445449
So you are saying that you are completely established in your name/brand but going to be taking a drastic change in direction with your style. This whole project seems to revolve around you actually getting the money to do the work in the first place, but you won't provide any examples or even your brand/name to your investors. Try a loan shark?
>>767445762
I want to be greater. A lot of people have money and can’t line up the production work that I have.
My personal connections are just that, personal. Doesn’t mean that I’m established as a public figure.
I would 100% provide any details to an investor, but naturally that’s something I’d prefer to be done privately. I don’t know where that was miscommunicated.
>>767445671
>You saying it like a goofball doesn’t really impact the social proof I’ve already received from the concept
And you trying to sell gold jewelry by calling it something else doesn't impact the proof I've received either. :/
>>767445944
K. You’re on a different page and that’s fine.
Art is a system of cultural reflection, there are totally scenarios where jewelry is an appropriate form for that.
>>767445903
You haven't given anyone here anything remotely interesting enough to consider private communication. Especially since you are giving out a temporary dummy email address. What's your draw in posting on /b? Are you doing more serious investor searches on other channels?
>>767445998
Sure but it's being done 1000 times a day is my point. We can argue about what art is but the fact is that it's subjective and you can't act like you're doing something original.
>>767445944
OP is right.
>Try describing Murakami or KAWS work without making it sound silly.
>>767446118
Of course I am. Mostly angels which I know personally.
Draw for /b/ is that I was bored in bed, realized it’s about to be 10 years since I first posted here, and thought it would be a hilarious story if it panned out.
If you’re not interested at this point, then I’m not really concerned about courting you, you know a fair amount about the concept and I trust people to make their personal assessment. Obviously the communication would be moved into a personal channel. I’m just not going to be an idiot and post my public email.
>>767446137
Well sure but they didn't depend on the material they made the art from to make it valuable, it has value because it is art.
>>767446136
If it’s done a thousand times a day I should expect to see art galleries filled with it huh? Where the fuck are all the artists then?
>>767446364
OPs is valuable because it’s art too. That’s the point he’s making.
>>767446432
Totally, it’s about pushing that statement “it’s valuable because it’s art” as far as it will go. Is it more valuable than gold?
>>767446432
OP is claiming something is art before it's made and thinks making it from gold will add value.
>>767446636
Whether or not something is art is contingent upon your ability to convince others. I’ve managed to convince two galleries a small handful of angles and a few national publications.
It being made from gold establishes a minimum value in an emergent sense. It being made of gold is ultimately a critique on our systems of value.
>>767446118
Another terrific benefit of posting her is that I’m exposed to a lot of critique which will undoubtedly come up in more serious channels. This is a safe way to explore explanations and understand people’s concerns.
>>767446784
>Whether or not something is art is contingent upon your ability to convince others
This right here is why I hate your kind of artist. You care nothing for expressing a feeling and only concern yourself with it's value then throw in a lazy as fuck "It's a critique on our systems of value" to act like it had a purpose.
>>767446950
Ultimately it’s far more complex and nuanced cultural reflection than can be explained via words.
If I could sit here and explain its entire impact, the entire “feeling” over the course of a thread - why make it?
Art really classically makes people mad. This is actually a really good sign to me.
>>767446950
To the contrary I’m really over people like you, who’s view of art is that it’s this expressive and passionate endeavor, a moment of creation.
In fact conceptual art, and communication in the arts require a far more keen cultural barometer and a great deal of consideration and skill.
>>767447079
>Ultimately it’s far more complex and nuanced cultural reflection than can be explained via words.
It's not your art making me feel mad it's being so far up your own ass that you believe something so plain and obvious is "complex and nuanced".
>>767447179
Now you just sound like Shadman. You can be the new Shad!
>>767447258
You literally have a brief overview and you’re made that it’s too simple.
Let me reiterate, art often makes people mad.
I consider this reaction an encouraging sign.
>>767447323
Shadman the r34 illustrator?
Does he comment on the amount of time and effort that his illustrations take?
>>767447344
There's no art to react to. Just your pompousness.
>>767447370
He draws on picarto, you can watch him live. Check him out!
>>767447388
In what reality does someone humbly ask for $100k for gold to be unnecessarily extravagant with? If anything that would read as a bad marketing sign.
And of course you’re reacting to a description of the art, don’t be a dipshit.
>>767447456
Ok, so the number of posters in this thread stayed the same - which one are you? Why are you suggesting I go check out Shadman?
>>767447470
>description of the art
"It's gold jewelry"
Yeah ok.
>>767447577
Kek. I get that the quotation was for effect but if that’s all you got from this conversation I’m sorry.
I don’t know how many times I explained the approach, or that a majority of the work wouldn’t be jewelry.
Going to sleep now. Thanks for the conversation everyone.
>>767447890
No, thank YOU for the keks,mr artsy gold man. May your dreams be shiny and free!
>>767448228
Lol. You got me fucked up with that one.