Feels thread? Feels thread
ITT: What makes a human a human, /b/?
His autism
Their love
Asked to hold a girls hand tonight.
"Nah im good."
>>767436483
A feeling that makes a human human, is the fact that we have emotions. We can love, hate, be happy, sad, angry, have different ideals, etc.
The part that truly makes us human though, is the realization that we're all gonna die someday, and we know it. To me, that's the greatest fear of all.
>>767436828
op here, dont have any arguments, how can love really be the answer? humans love, but also animals
>>767436483
I think a human is made human by the fact that they know they will die and yet they try to create a life that they are happy with
>>767436483
>>767436953
Animals have emotions. There is literally nothing that makes humans special. Once you accept that OP you can move on
>>767437034
>>767437258
>>767437258
op here
i know that already, animals can experience emotion just as well or even better than humans, the question remains, if they can do that, how are we any different?
>>767437410
You aren't. Man is just an animal
>>767437511
man is an animal. but we are unique because we have consciousness.
>>767437511
yeah, but really, whats so special about being able to use a computer, or go to work everyday?
i mean what is a human not by comparison to another species, but by justification of ourselves as a whole, in other words, are you human? and if so, what characteristics define you as such?
>>767437706
Humans have physical traits that distinguish us from other animals, and the sum of these trait is "human". But humans are no more special than elephants or amoebas.
>>767437695
Neanderthals had consciousness too
>>767437890
neanderthals were human too
In a Million years the things that make you will still exist, In a million years the world you walk on will still exist, in a way we are immortal but only at a microscopic level. These thoughts are what start my panic attacks,knowing that im nothing
>>767437890
yeah, but i mean, beyond of physical traits, or consciusness, what is acting humanely? is it showing mercy or forgiveness? if we are nothing but just another species, why have we been cursed with a consciousness? what makes us different? there has to be at least something other than 5 fingers on each hand
>>767437970
Is anything with a consciousness human? It seems circular to then use that as a definition
>>767438164
the only things we know that have consciousness are humans.
that is what separates us from animals.
if something else was discovered to also have consciousness, it would not be an animal nor would it be human.
>>767438133
You should take comfort in the fact that these positive things are not just limited to humans. Many animals behave altruistically. I'm a panpsychic, so I think all things are conscious, if only a little
>>767436483
>What makes a human a human
Genetics, it's all genetics
>>767436483
Question: can a human not be a human?
>>767438487
op here, ok, lets put it like this...
In 1955 research showed that in the most developed countries(Switzerland, USA, France, etc.) cases of murder, suicide and alcoholism were more prominent than in poorly developed countries, has the progress of mankind turned us into something else?
>>767438895
No, it's just made us more isolated, which makes us sad. But we're still human. We're still good
>>767438895
wow, that's some actual data right there
overall crime in developed countries (murder included) is way lower than underdeveloped ones, by a margin
alcoholism and suicide is tied with other factors, definetly not prevalent in central and northern europe
progress has nothing to do with it, but rather, the short span of psychological an behavioral sciences, and the way society and culture is structured, but it's slowly changing, medication, therapy and prevention is proving to work
>>767439013
among other factors, but isolation is a serious thing, and pretty prevalent in developed countries
>>767439013
humanity is inherently good?
>>767436868
Damn buddy that's rough
>>767436483
>What makes a human a human, /b/?
DNA and chromosomes
Downies arent human
>>767436483
I believe what makes us humans is that we have the knowledge to understand our surroundings.
Many animals aren’t familiar with the man-made technologies or creations today, and when disaster strikes or will strike, they tend not to know what to do (burning houses, tsunamis, cars passing by a road). But us humans understand what is around us, so we know what to avoid or when to prepare
With robots, they can only recognize what’s on their world, the online world. They’re good with algorithms and numbers, but when it comes to automated cars avoiding people, they’re not there to a point like us. When it comes to understanding speeches and phrases, they’re not as fluent as our minds can process words from other people. Technology work with numerical precision, but we can work with natural adaptation.
Also, we like to surround ourselves with likeminded people. That’s why we’re in this thread (which isn’t really a feels thread. More-like a questions thread or something): we want to surround ourselves with people we can relate to, people that feel the same things we feel (or want to feel). Animals can’t really have that association; They go in groups to survive nature. We do it just because we can, regardless of our survival (someone mentioned about us knowing that we’ll die, but that doesn’t stop us from being with one-another). I think the beauty of knowing our surrounding gives us a special look into life, as we can see what’s coming next.
but idk OP. Hope you’re doing well these days.
>>767436868
you’re too good for her anyways. she doesn’t deserve your hand.
>>767439692
the other way around kid, you'll realize when the time is right
>>767439626
yeah, im ok, just, cant really tell if im a humane person
>>767439861
well by definition you are
>>767436868
Yeah she doesn't want to hold hands with another bitch
>>767436483
What is this from?
>>767440239
end of evangelion
>>767440239
neon genesis evangelion
>>767439853
Statement still stands: you’re too good to hold her hand anyways. You’ll find someone’s hand that’s worthy to hold yours.
Being human is for the self to recognize. Its to congregate with like minded to exist and perceive purpose.
Mostly, being us is drivin by the reassurance that other people can relate to your own reality and for the most part, agree on matters.
Personally I can't think of a more powerful feeling in this meat suit than being with humans that understand you. It makes us stronger
>>767436483
Every human has four endowments - self awareness, conscience, independent will, and creative imagination. These give us the ultimate human freedom...
The power to choose, to respond, and to change.
>>767439861
I’m sure you’re human, OP. You’re still here compared to some cats that recently passed from a house fire on the news. You’re with people that wants to feel in a feels thread. And you’re feeling okay too, so that’s a plus!
>>767440539
humanity is interaction?
what if someone is completely alone?
>>767440537
there's not such thing as "worthy", as people is defined by their actions, it is their choice what makes them, but in the end, the inverse stands true
>>767440755
nice dubs, sartre
>>767440582
how can anyone be independent willed, and not be free anon?
freedom is not a choice, it's a consequence of existing, you can't be not free
>>767440716
It's a terrible experience and realization. Humans don't work well with loneliness.
To answer your question it doesn't exclude you from human status. However it's an unnatural state, that cripples our being
>great friend moved away
>spent the last year missing him
>in that time my other friend has developed stage 4 cancer
>been taking care of other friend around the clock
>only just now got him a full time caregiver so i can take a break
>feels like im 'cheating' at life to have a caregiver tending to my ill friend
>really need the time to recharge myself and catch up with first friend who is coming back to visit me for 3 weeks
>still feel guilty as hell though
i feel like I am just a bad person for it. but i really need to take a day to sleep in, to hang with my friend, finish my projects. I'll still visit the sick friend daily but idk.
i wish my friends would hug me more.
>>767441065
you are a man right? can you tell age?
had the same experience months ago, but heart atack instead of cancer, I feel you anon
>>767439274
I believe the longer a human lives the more dangerous they become to themselves or others that's a unique quality.
Open question: By definition, do you consider yourself a good person?
>>767441252
25. I am a man yeah. how did it end for you? im glad he lasted longer cuz we bonded even more than we had before and hes like a father to me. but sometimes I just wish it was over sooner. hes in so much pain now and he has trouble accepting that this is all downhill from here. lost 16 pounds in the last two weeks. hes calling me in the middle of the night begging to get a doctor but the doctor can't help him. All we can do is feed him more morphine and hope the pain dies down. it usually does. but he gets so worked up and i wish i could say anything other than 'this is how it is'.
>>767440755
I used “worthy” for a lack of better word at the time. Maybe “someone that you feel very passionate about and they share the same feelings for you as well” might be a better description.
>>767441366
>by definition
what definition? but yes. im a good person by most any definition that comes to mind.
>>767441366
Yes. I feel I understand right and wrong.
I have no inclination to cause harm to individuals or environments. What more could there be
>>767441336
Most definitely, my little brother is only 13, and is capable of great fits of rage, he takes after his father, we had a fight the other day, and i remember the kind of things that came to my mind when i was his age and pissed off, i realized he has finally become a physical threat to himself and others, it scares me
>>767441399
why?
>>767441537
your own definition will suffice, every man must answer to no one but himself
>>767441366
Varies between days I like to think I am but sometimes i'm not so sure.
>>767441658
ah i get it, seemed more like you were looking for context so thought we needed context to help you. just a fun question though.
>>767441669
what is the thing you regret the most?
whomever wants to answer, answer
>>767441625
there is nothing good about me
>>767441750
drama queen.
>>767441336
nah, totally wrong, it's more like a curve
when a human is young, or elder, won't have the opportunity to do anything, because of lack of experience, or physical limitations, it is in the middle, specially around 35-45, in their apex, where they're the most dangerous
But that has nothing to do with humanity, dolphins like to rape the female children of other female dolphins, so they can stablish sexual slaves; whales love to break the bones of seals by "playing" with them, only to watch how they try not to sink deep into water and die; violation, specially among minor females, is more than 60% of reproduction among primates, and we are not so different from them. We are not "dangeruos", everything is dangerous, we just have the conscience of it, and the means to reach a higher level of causality, leading to a more sofisticated danger, but a rock flying in space or a tidal wave, with enough size, is much more dangerous than anything I can do in my next 10 years
>>767441737
Not speaking up when i should have.
Worst thing ever.
>>767441779
That's Dark...
>>767441779
thats the thing theyre animals, were not, we have made progress and established a functioning society, and a moral code that minimizes pain, and yet, we still murder rape, and kill ourselves, why?
>>767441779
>violation, specially among minor females, is more than 60% of reproduction among primates
you know i always figured thats why men seem to go for pre teen girls a lot. it seemed like an evolutionary advantage to start fucking someone right before they really start having their period so that once they are ready to have kids you're already fucking them.
>>767437220
actually, a pretty thought provoking statement.
>good job anon
>>767441472
yeah mostly same experience, it was my mother in fact, I've studied medicine so I knew she was going to die, the situation was pretty hard. I'm also a man, 24 yo.
I tried not to burn myself inside the hospital, it's easy to force oneself, but know your limitations, it is important to care of yourself. My mother had a lot of trouble accepting the downhill too, she was blindly hopeful, I found myself between blind optimism against all proof, or bitterly realistic to the point of depression. I've already developed a cold heart, so when my mother was calling in the middle of the night for painkillers, I was already going through my protocols, in some situations it was a good idea, in some weren't, I just acted in that regard, explaining her in all moment. She would be apologetic, furious, kind, sad, hopelessly affected by dread, optimistic, brave, nostalgic, irritated and/or numb, sometimes painkillers made her see terrible things, totally normal, sometimes she would be obsessed with something, sometimes she woouldn't want to listen physicians and just wanted to die. Don't overthink it, know your limits and care for you, accept that everything and everyone is going to die, and that isn't a bad thing, and learn that, sometimes, objectivity and analitic behaviour is way more important than compassion. He will die, you can do nothing about it, it may not be now, but it will happen, focus on other things, that let you stay afloat, and try to make what's best for him, even if that means telling him hard words
The capability to produce art, achieve scientific discoveries, and to create philosophies.
Thats a completely human characteristic
>>767441512
>>767441512
nah, she doesn't, otherwise she wouldn't have done a "shake of hands"
women, and their bullshit
>>767441558
oh, a lot more!
you can be pretty harmful and dangerous, even not trying to!
>>767441737
not studying hard enough, the good thing is that I'm able to fix the problem right now
>>767441955
because we are still animals, and we will always be. If you think otherwise, then read basic biology friend
>>767442285
this situation has taught me that I don't really have limits. I need the time to relax, but if my friend wasn't coming to visit I'd just not take the time, I'd have moved in with him instead of the caregiver and kept taking care of him.
its spooky how similar our situations are despite the differences in their illness. on top of all this craziness, he is a cult leader so there's lot of other crazy things flying around that i have to deal with. Unfortunately I'm his right hand man through everything so most of them are looking to me now and it was really hard for awhile. I thought there'd be more people putting up a fight and i could just 'lose' that fight, but only one person was really against it. It feels really weird having all these older and powerful people coming to me for advice and help and i keep waiting for the moment i fuck it all up but its going well so far. it just feels surreal when that stuff happens.
i just wish he'd stop suffering. it looks now like hes going to lose his mind again. last time he stopped eating it happened too and he went into a bit of a waking coma. i imagine thats the path hes headed down now but this time they wont put a feeding tube on him.
>>767442048
more so, it was among 60-80% in humans at least until the renaissance era, where laws targeted specifically children. As a medicine student I've read a lot about it, and it's chilling
>>767441927
life is dark, prepare to adapt or die
>>767436868
>asking a girl anything
No girl ever is going to say yes to a question like that, I could play the bro and tell you that she was a bitch, but this one was your fault.
Alpha males never ask shit, if you want to grab her hand just do it in a subtle way, if she gets uncomfortable and doesn't like it let her go and don't make a big deal or of it, you can try it again when you feel is the right moment.
>>767442919
this anons not wrong. its not even about being alpha really, but rather about the tension. thats what gets women going (and a lot of men tbh). asking for consent is a boner killer. what makes it fun is not knowing whats going to happen, just trying to get a little closer, trying to get a little more risque.
Been a bit miserable lately lads. Can’t help but feel like my teen years were the best years I’ll ever have and I wasted them by being a shy, mopy cunt. I wish I could redo them.
>>767441737
I regret allowing myself to cave in and reject others so I could be alone, I thought that would be better for my mind but it has it's pro's and con's the best being I'm much nicer to people and I'm always happy because I only do what I want to do but the worst is being detached from those people I lack sympathy for others it's ironic.
>>767443057
if you wasted them, then they can't be the best. just have fun for the next few years and make them better than your teens. and if you meant more in the 'they had the potential to be the best' that does suck but its too late. instead of whining about how things wont be as good as they couldve been just go make things the best they can.
as you get older you find out the teen years are a unique time but that does not make them the best time. for me frankly being an adult is way better than anything ever as a teen.
>>767443135
There’s always time. You can reach out again. Good luck.
>>767443150
You’re damn right. I have to quit being a bitch and carpe diem life by the balls. Thanks bro.
>>767443226
life is really what you make of it. i only get paid like 1700 a month but i still manage to do cool shit year around. i pinch pennies where i can and pick up extra cash when i can, but even wit hjust that i manage to live a really exciting and fulfilling life. theres so much cool shit to do even on the 'virtually free' level.
and as an adult you can just go and do them. pic related. strip pool.
>>767442635
you clearly don't know your limits, probably because you are emotional, I recommend you to stay focused and analitical, overemotion will only make you be subjective and will make you do mistakes. I'm pretty scientific so the moment I hear anything cult-like or pseucoscientific, I just shut that part of my brain, when asked I just answer neutrally, people can believe what they want, there no need to do anything about it, but it is important for me (or you) to not be swayed. Suffering is part of life, it sucks now for him, but there's little to be done, the thing about cancer is that, given early supervision, it would've been treatable, but we are not perfect and some people tend to be scared of those things, making them emotional and making them commit mistakes, understand that this is not your fault, or theirs, but life itself. Having cancer isn't bad, it's just what it is, tell him that a good life, fulfilled and accomplished, is all we can aspire to, when the moment is right he'll be a cog in the engine of life, like we all are.
Besides, if he believes in any kind of god, or afterlife, that can help him. My mother was deeply catholic, and I'm deeply atheist, but I did mention her her religion in order to help her in dire moments, beliefs are a powerful tool
>>767443014
then you get targeted by the #metoo
nah, fuck them and their bullshit
>>767443057
well you did waste them probably
case closed, go cry a little bit and go to work
>>767443322
G’wed lad.
I think it all started when a friend told me a few anecdotes about me that made me realise all those years I thought nobody liked me, people actually found me interesting. I’d shy away from so much and take myself so seriously and yet people who met me once a decade ago still remember and talk about me. I guess I just have to do the opposite of what I did then. I have to not takr myself so seriously, try to have fun, try to be open to things. You’re so right.
>>767443342
>you clearly don't know your limits
very kindly, go fuck your self. this is a horrible fucking experience, but its not nearly the worst thing I've been through, and I survived all that and I'll go ahead and survive anything else life wants to throw at me. you may be a very limited person, not everyone else is.
>>767443388
>but if i do what literally every other guy does I'll be accused of actual rape
this is the real reason why she doesn't even want to hold your hand man. thats the most retarded assumption ive ever heard.
>>767443166
I'll try but I don't think it would help.
>>767443568
but still happens, which is even more retarded
>>767443645
yeah to fucking bill cosby after 40 years of literally molesting women. not after holding someones hand without getting consent you retard.
>>767443537
clearly overemotional, wish you luck friend, care with that kind of reactions, other kind of people could get upset. Really, wish you the best of lucks, take care
>>767443645
you are so dumb. even when aziz ansari got me too'd everyone jumped to his defense and called the girl a dumb cunt for making a big deal over him just going for it.
>>767443732
>clearly over emotional
confidence =/= over emotional. go be passive aggressive somewhere else. I know you like to think you got all the answers and that must mean one size fits all, but be 'analytical' for a whole minute and realize it doesn't.
>>767443756
but then, it still happens, don't it?
>>767443816
no. it doesn't. no one has been publicly metoo'd over trying to hold someones hand.
>>767443586
Do it. Reach out to new friends and people you used to know. Life is better shared. Make some memories.
>>767443732
>other kind of people could get upset if you defend yourselves to them
jesus do you not realize how retarded you sound? you insulted the guy and then go on to tell him hes going to upset 'others' by defending himself to you? you're kind of a twat.
Complex languages, technology, science, I guess?
>>767443935
how did I insult him? I offered my help the best as I could, and my intention wasn't in any way insulting, if you don't mind, I would like where did I do it
>>767444025
>you: know your limits
>him: i dont have limits
>you: you clearly don't know your limits, probably because you are emotional
>overemotion will only make you mistakes.
and then you just proceed to talk down to him. you don't him at all and just assume that he doesn't know his limits and its because you are so much more 'analytical' (which you can't even spell btw).
Hes surviving this so clearly it isn't his limit, and he claims to have survived worse. so to just tell him otherwise is pretty fucking rude bro.
>>767444025
unlike you, my emotions don't make me cause mistakes. frankly the fact that you try to detach from your emotion is a big mistake.
NOT MEANING TO INSULT YOU JUST GIVING ADVICE YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT INSISTS YOU ARE ENTIRELY WRONG ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SENSE OF SELF.
>>767444199
everyone has a limit, everyone can get emotional, this is not an insult, if he felt insulted, that wasn't my intention, but his ignorance can make him pretty miserable
>>767444358
your ignorance is making me pretty miserable.
>>767444358
really missing the point there bud, go rick and morty yourself somewhere else.
>>767444358
>everyone has a limit
says who? show me the scientific analytical data that proves that everyone has a 'limit' when millions of years of evolution have proved otherwise.
We fap to lolis
>>767444472
You can't grow wings and fly
explain that atheists
>>767444472
>there are not biological limits
This the absolute state of underage brainlets.
>>767444602
no one once ever said anything about biological limits, we are talking about the emotional stress of caretaking.
>>767444601
again, context is key.
>>767442363
It's not on purpose. I'm guilty as much as the next guy for existing. I just stated I have no inclination to destroy or otherwise ensue chaos. Not including inadvertent harms that are just the cost of existing and taking up space
>>767443882
Well I'll thank you you're encouraging but making new friends would prove a challenge and the people I use to know are the reason I am the way I am but I suppose I'll try something.
>>767436483
>So, I found who was behind of it...
>>767444741
yeah I know, still, not wanting to do harm but doing it regardless isn't heard of, it's just a posibility (and important one). I believe most people don't mean harm to anyone, but I also believe most people don't realize how important decisions are, and how not wanting to do harm isn't the same as not doing harm. For example, a mother that is too caring of a child, can easely harm him/her a lot, if such behaviour is persistent
>>767436483
Our ability to ask ourselves that question is what makes us human, anon.
>>767444358
>everyone has a limit
idk man, sounds like you were too weak to even let yourself feel emotions with your own dying parent, you know something virtually all people go through. meanwhile other people go through fucking hell for their entire lives but still manage to survive.
maybe you are just more limited than the average person.
>>767438038
liked that
>>767445166
I learnt that during med school, has nothing to do with my parent, in fact, the death of my parent did affect me a couple months, but nothing more... usually people gets more affected
>>767445255
>i learnt that during med school
learned what? that everyone has a limit? cuz you still havent cited any fucking logic or reason behind it other than you want to believe it in a discussion that was already rather hyperbolic.
>affected
you already said it was because you didn't get emotional and treated your mother from a scientific analytical approach.
just don't go around acting like a pretentious twat telling people you don't know that they are wrong about themselves pretty dumb desu
>>767445413
look how you are reacting
>>767436483
op if you honestly dont have the brain cells to understand, you know your options.
>>767438745
yes if he is an animal
I want to be innocent and pure, but I come with a bad past?
>>767436483
An ability to watch rekt threads no matter how bad unless there is a badly broken leg in slow-mo.
Also some weird desire and joy watching puss ooze from the body in copious amounts.
>>767446848
since innocence and purity are subjective characteristics, then you can or can't, according to your own definition and situation
>>767437706
humans are special because of their greed.
a normal animal just wants to get by and survive, stop after its eaten its fill but a human will always want more
>>767447820
wolves, dolphins, bears and dogs (to say some examples) do that too, specially with food, it's called instinct
>>767448152
they limit themselves in some way, be it food or mates
humans want to make things easier for themselves, inadvertently making it easier for others - thats how capitalism can work, people do whats best for the world because its whats best for them
we created more advanced tools to cover our weaknesses like baskets shovels or huts, eventually coming to this level of civilization
>>767448411
well that's a pretty big advantage to be honest, and we can use it to improve everything, not just ourselves. Still hard to do anything 100% right when everything is so damn interconnected
Do you believe we should go to mars? I mean stablishing a colony there
>>767448579
i believe going to mars is the best currently known way to preserve our population growth, humans will find another way if it doesnt work out though
>>767448638
nah, it will work out, eventually, it is definetly within our reach
>>767448703
itll be pretty cool when it does, almost like an update to a game just bringing new shit
after all, maybe this is the first step to long ass space travel - but that likely wont happen in my lifetime so i wont think about it
>>767448842
I don't believe it will be that exciting, after all it's a pretty desertic planet, but forget about interstelar travel, that's waaaaay beyond our current technology by far, unless we manage to reach near light velocity, and that would be a scientific revolution likely... and still, it wouldn't be nearly as useful, since the nearest star is 2 years away at light speed velocity
>>767436483
their flaws
>>767449052
yeah space travel is overrated for what we're going to use it for, but with all the movies showing humans just being everywhere its a cool thought
>>767449172
yeah XD, but not too realistic
in fact, humans (specially males) suffer a lot in space, losing bone density, sight and, in general, becoming quite weaker, prolongued space travel may be difficult unless we find a way to prevent those medical conditions
would you be part of a spaceship crew? would it be militar or civil?
>>767449062
what flaws specifically though? everything will always have its flaws, an animal may trust a human and get shot or a table may have edges to bust your toe on
>>767449489
even 4chin has flaws... like traps and loli
>>767449303
i would if i had the opportunity, but i wouldnt want to so badly that i would get a college major in it or whatever theyd require in that regard
id want to join one of the first spaceship expeditions for research/testing if i could, otherwise it'd be military
>>767449641
when i say "in that regard" i mean school-wise, i would gladly go through the training for g-force or things like that which could qualify me for civil or military transport - but obviously anyone on a research/testing spaceship would have to contribute in some intellectual way
