If you were brainwashed as a child into believing in the magic invisible floating faggot in the sky, what is it that keeps you believing as an adult? Is it cowardice? In other words, fear of death? Or is it simply too humiliating and embarrassing to acknowledge that your favourite god is just as fake as the thousands of other gods that you know are fake?
>>767416316
To blindly say that there is nothing, is just as short-sighted as blindly following a faith.
We don't know. Everything else is personal beliefs and opinions.
>>767416316
It doesn't cost people anything to believe or not believe in something.
They'd rather take the chance on being right than take the chance of being wrong.
Don't be a child.
>>767416435
Do you apply this same agnosticism to every fictional character in every fiction book and movie in history? If not why not?
>>767416616
Going to church every Sunday over a lifetime wastes months of your life and costs tens of thousands of dollars.
>>767416316
I have a couple questions for you then.
1.what is your moral compass or do you not have one? the whole "I am good to people because I am human" shit is a complete fucking lie.
2.why do all atheists have trouble with the concept of faith?
3.if you are right and there is no divinity,no absolute divine power and you are a cut above the rest, how are you doing in your life? wouldn't it make sense for you to BE something if you didn't spend time dealing with false gods and focusing on your life? so are you well off?
>>767416773
>Implying every sing religious person goes to church
You really don't know anything do you?
>>767416876
You acquire a moral compass as you grow up.
That's why kids test being an asshole.
Not all people realize that hurting another person doesn't feel good.
But to assume that EVERY fiber of our moral compass comes from religion is stupid.
>>767416876
Because faith seems pointless.
Equally as pointless as making a wish on your birthday and blowing out candles.
Faith is thought wasted believing in a narrow scope of reality.
>>767416316
There is evidence of religious burial predating our species, meaning belief in gods is older than humanity itself. This indicates that religious belief is genetic, built into the very structure of our DNA. Clearly there is a survival advantage in believing in a higher power.
I knew a philosophy professor who had a very simple proof for the existence of God. The Egyptians believed that the Sun was God. Look up, see that big, round, bright thing in the sky? God exists, QED. Clearly, God is not a theological or even philosophical problem, then, since we can make God exist and not-exist just by changing the shape of the outline around her. God is a *linguistic* problem.
>>767416876
1. Mainly based on mutual respect and empathy. Fairy story book written by prehistoric goat-fuckers not required.
2. Because believing in crazy shit with no evidence is retarded.
3. A cut above? Why are you making shit up? The rest of that question was unintelligible. Once again, but this time in English please.
>>767416988
>Claiming to believe in a higher power.
>Half-assing your own beliefs.
Says a lot about character.
>>767416988
You should reflect on why your ass has gone full Krakatoa. Hint - it’s because I have reminded you of something which you subconsciously know is true, but which terrifies you.
>>767417650
I'm actually just arguing on a religious persons side.
Because we don't need dumb ass ignorant atheists like you ruining our reputation for the rest of us.
The only bad Atheist you hear about is the loud ass neck bearded opinionated faggot who thinks he knows everything.
Stop being one.
>>767417439
Pretty much this
>>767417792
Only thing you've reminded me of is how little you know.
I'm not religious.
But, I can see their side unlike your ignorant self.
>>767416316
I would like a mask like that
>>767416316
>>767416773
>>767417439
Careful Anon you might cut yourself on that edge and get blood all over your new Fedora!
>>767417927
>I'm not religious.
Sure you are. Atheists don’t get buttshattered by other atheists stating facts. Only godtards do. Like you.
>>767416316
Lono is pretty based. All gods and godlike concepts have common ground and speak many of the same truths, so I respect them all. Glad to know you feel the same way about my incomprehensible God. I believe in the God I do because of the patterns I see. I don't like to disregard intriguing observations on the off chance they are a coincidence. Where there's smoke there's fire, and if there's fire I want to be the first to know. Why do you pretend to know so much OP?
>>767418033
Nice work champ. Original too.
>>767418055
You're just looking for a fight now clearly.
You don't know me so stop making assumptions.
>buttshattered
jesus christ get it together dude.
>>767418151
https://store.goorin.com/mens-hats/shapes/fedora-hats
>>767418151
https://www.fedoras.com/
>>767418193
https://shop.nordstrom.com/c/mens-fedora-hats
>Just in case you need a new one
>>767416316
The human construct of time is just as made up and magical as their sky faggot and yetit controls ever aspect of your life. The sad truth is that humans understand as tiny of a fraction of what reality as does an ant.
It is only by man's ego that he thinks he even know what he is seeing. You see the lawn, where the ant will see a impassible jungle. Both subjects see the same thing, only in a different frame of view.
Think on this before you assume to tell others what is real antman.
>>767417452
*linguistic*
Specifically I think you meaning semantic, as of relating to meaning. In semantics meaning changes depending on context. This happens in mundane statements as often as grand concepts like the term God - it's not terribly special. I think you ought to know though that the vast majority of semantics, including lexical semantics like you describe, is considered philosophy. It is indeed a philosophical problem.
>>767418055
I am an atheist. Have been for years. But I respect religion and is EXTREME importance to a functioning culture.
>>767417800
Way to present literally nothing of value to this discussion. A+, have some thoughts and prayers.
>>767416435
Bullshit, anything we could possibly experience after death wouldn't be filtered through the lens of our minds and therefore wouldn't count as one of our own experiences. Embrace the fact that your life means nothing and you'll never remember any of it and stop being a faggot.
>>767418096
If you were honest you would admit that every god except your favourite one seems quaint, primitive and fictitious. And you would be right. They are. Problem for you is, yours is too.
>>767418313
>Think on this before you assume to tell others what is real antman.
I can measure time. That's how we know it's relative... not non existant.
Can you measure god? Measure god for me. Define a metric for god.
We're waiting.
Fucking fag.
>>767417800
As a fellow atheist I thank you anon. There is this idea that we "hate" god or that we "hate" Christians thanks to this idiot.
>>767417439
>Faith is thought wasted believing in a narrow scope of reality.
Thought is not necessarily a waste, it guides our actions. To better control your actions, especially those you are unaware of, you can control your thoughts. This is most easily done through faith - if not faith in a higher power, faith in yourself. It need not be narrow either, faith can be broad and all encompassing.
>>767418384
>EXTREME importance to a functioning culture.
Kek, good one.
>>767418193
>ass has now gone full Yellowstone super volcano
>>767418461
Ok so what about the benefits of religion?
>I am an atheist too FYI
>>767418434
Not really a discussion.
Just retards facing ass up shitting feces at one another.
>Having a meaningful discussion on /b/
I can't tell who's more delusional.
How's middle school working out for you? Rough I bet.
>>767418363
Except that the OP is clearly looking for positivistic, axiomatic definitions which haven't existed since Chomsky's Syntactic Structures demolished them. Concepts don't exist as Platonic ideals, but rather fuzzy clouds of meaning with more literal forms towards their centres and more abstract ones towards their edges, where they overlap with others. Hence why arguing over God is pointless.
>>767418585
Here's your (You) that you need so desperately.
>>767418605
>benefits of religion; keeps the people sedated and unquestioning.
>negatives of religion; free thought is prohibited.
Kys normie faggot
>>767416876
>>767416876
1. Human solidarity is one of the most powerful things we can have, and should be argued above all else. The golden rule exists in every culture, and civilization, regardless of their religion, so it can't possibly come FROM religion. I just don't think it's wise to assume that humans were barbarians for tens or hundreds of thousands of years and suddenly found a moral compass handed to a bunch of illiterate desert-wanderers. I don't see how that will improve my life.
2. I don't. I have faith in plenty of things. I believe that objective reality can't be directly perceived. That being said, according to MY subjective experience, science and reason produce the most reliable results, and while they're not enough to form our entire morality, they definitely don't hurt.
3. I'm doing alright. Going on 4chan is probably one of the worse decisions I've made today, but I'm pretty happy day to day, so I think I'm doing well. But that's where your question falls apart. You're presumably defining "a cut above" as making more money. If that's what you value in life, great. I make enough that I can pursue the things I find important right now.
Now I have a question;
Why do you think all atheists are like a bait poster on 4chan? Have you tried talking to someone without challenging them?
I don't have any issue with your beliefs. I have an issue when religious organizations try to put their beliefs into public law, which they ALWAYS do. No exceptions. I refuse to be governed by the rules of a god I don't believe in.
>>767416316
That’s a pretty cool god, actually. I’d drink a mai tai out of him.
>>767418384
>I am an atheist. Have been for years. But I respect religion
Then you’re an idiot. Religions are scams designed to separate fools from their cash.
>>767418579
Seriously?
1. Feed the poor
2. Massive hospitals run by religious institutions
3. Tons of humanitarian work- more than any other group
4. Provides comfort and hope for BILLIONS
5. Held Europe together through the middle ages
6. Creates social cohesion within cultures
7. Creates a shared sense of values among a culture
>>767418770
I get it. You are 16 and just watched Zeitgeist for the first time so you are all angry about "the god scam".
>>767418461
>If you were honest you would admit that every god except your favourite one seems quaint, primitive and fictitious.
If I'm being honest I think they are all the same God. As such I claim no understanding of God and no comprehension God's nature. I enjoy considering possibilities to broaden my perspective but I know better than to trust any concepts I can conceive (including the idea that there is no God). You though, you've totally convinced yourself haven't you? There's nothing more primitive and quaint than someone who assumes they have the answers. It takes a lot of audacity to look at an unknowable question and claim everyone's opinion but yours on the subject is fictitious.
>>767418605
Someone needs to google “societal health indicators vs religiosity”
>>767418776
this reasoning is god awful
>>767418960
How so? Argue any point.
>>767418776
>Could be done without religion
>Could be done without religion
>Could be done without religion and in many cases is
>False comfort and hope though
>Who gives a fuck what dark age dumbfucks thought
>Can be accomplished by other means
>Implying values can only come from religion and that religious values benefit a culture when they don't always.
Can we please stop arguing for ignorance now?
>>767418736
No one thinks that all atheists are fedoral9rds or bait posters, but /pol/ uses those tactics to bully people into agreeing with their narrative. Any time anyone posts anything remotely critical of religion, a bunch of /pol/ faggots swoop in and start posting fedora memes, so people eventually stop posting stuff like that out of frustration and a desire to not be ridiculed. It’s just the vocal, autistic minority that actually thinks that way.
>>767418864
Close, mate. 51 and never watched it.
>>767419012
>6. Creates social cohesion within cultures
I mean, do I even have to debunk such a patently false statement?
>5. Held Europe together through the middle ages
It's a power structure like everything else. The right to rule has always been linked with divine rights, it's a selffulling prophecy, not some magic glue that kept europe from falling apart.
>7. Creates a shared sense of values among a culture
So do a lot of aspects of culture. That's literally what culture is.
>4. Provides comfort and hope for BILLIONS
So what?
>3. Tons of humanitarian work- more than any other group
Yeah and just as many are tax free shekel holes that just suck wealth out of communities. You're only looking at the pieces you like.
>>767418676
>Chomsky
>OhBoyHereWeGoAgain.Jpg
In all seriousness though, I don't think OP was looking for meaning, but instead truth - an even more philosophical debate. I doubt he wants to talk about the nature of information as much as that which it describes. I could be wrong though. Personally, I think it's all the same anyway.
>>767416316
I got mad love for Lono. He has his head in the clouds and makes it rain. I fucks with Lono, he my nigga.
>>767416316
Well a lot of science is based on probability and since it is not completely improbable it's best to stick to things that we know
>>767419076
This. Religion is not necessary for a society to have values. Murder is objectively bad in every society, regardless of religion, for example. It isn’t hard for people to agree that certain things should or should not be done for the betterment of society.
Also what about the harm religious values do? AIDS is so prevalent in Africa in large part due to Christian ministers telling them not to use condoms. Sex trafficking is so prevalent because prostitution is illegal in many places because of religious values.
>>767418776
6 and 7 are complete shit. I had a neighbor who went to her church. An Episcopalian church. She told her pastor, "My brother has a bit of a problem, but I don't want him to go to hell."
The pastor asked, "What's his problem?"
She said, "He's going to the Episcopalian church down the street."
The pastor said, "Oh... that is a problem."
Religion is the most divisive thing in the world, and because they're backed up by "divine right", they think they have the right to hurt and kill people to prove it.
That being said, some of your points are totally valid, and that's why religion can't be totally done away with. It can, however, be gentrified. Which is what we're already seeing. Apologists abound in this day and age, and we'll see their rhetoric deviate more and more from scripture as time goes on to reflect the culture around them.
>>767418776
you're getting fucking burnt dude, better whip up something fast
>>767419076
>Isn't being done without religion
>Isn't being done without religion
>Isn't being done without religion
>Still comfort that helps people live better lives and treat one another well
>Still have yet to find any other forces that do so as well. Politics seem to divide (And single party states are terrible)
>Well they are the basis of Western Culture and continue to do a good job at that
>>767418490
I Do not have time to sum up the crusades or the Spanish inquisition but these would be two fine measurement of God. Just like the construct of time neither are truly real and yet through man have incredible power over mans reality.
God and the human construct of time are on the same level of beliefs. Once man dies out the concept of the 24 hour day goes away with him. Just like concept of God.
>>767416316
Agree with you 100%
>>767419399
...which is why this entire thread is filled with meaningless mouth noises. None of them have the faintest clue what any of the things they're writing actually mean -- or care. They're just triggering each other's engramatic responses without any interest in either understanding or metaphysical truth. It's philosophy by way of Dunning-Kruger, a thread full of Skinner box argumentation.
>>767419077
He said in his post, "Why are all atheists..."
4chan is no fun if you don't take people at face value.
Come to think of it, 4chan isn't fun anyway...
But I keep coming back.
>>767419396
>I mean, do I even have to debunk such a patently false statement?
You cant
>It's a power structure like everything else. The right to rule has always been linked with divine rights, it's a selffulling prophecy, not some magic glue that kept europe from falling apart.
Yet it did hold Europe together, maintained order in culture, protected works of art and literature
>So do a lot of aspects of culture. That's literally what culture is.
But none have done a better job than religion. Usually culture, art, ect... are all based on religion in some aspect. Religion usually sets values and the permeates throughout that given society. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Aztecs, Incas Take your pick
>So what?
Hope is a valuable thing. Something that creates reason and joy. Its intangible yet crucial. What would be the benefit of getting rid of it?
>Yeah and just as many are tax free shekel holes that just suck wealth out of communities. You're only looking at the pieces you like.
Ah I see now. NVM
>>767418443
but still, how would u know?
>>767416876
Not op...you don't need religion to have a moral compass.
Because you're holding humanity back
Very successful and happy with life
Grow up and stop believing in fairy tales
>>767419701
Not true if another intelligent sentient species comes around, they'll also use this same primitive concept on explaining the unknown
>>767419701
Nope. ACTUAL historian (teacher)
Literally I would bet all of it is wrong. Amazing people like you know so little about the Crusades because if you did- you would not make that claim.
>>767419786
And here we stand, above the fray and feeling secure in our ivory towers. I like to think though, that this security comes from an acceptance of ignorance and not the denial of it. Well met /b/rother.
>>767417452
In our DNA??? Fark off...what a joke
>>767419485
Yup. You know those “muzzies” you /pol/tards hate so much? Why do you think they’re always killing people? The people they kill are a different religion, or the wrong kind of Muslim. How could someone objectively look at the world and claim that religion isn’t divisive?
>>767419786
>engramatic
>>767419984
I think his argument was that the foundations of morals itself came from a godlike entity
>>767418923
So all the polythiestic Gods are really your Christian God??? You sir are an idiot
>>767417452
Guess that would make all other animals Christian too
>>767420302
>your Christian God
No, the Christian God is also an example of my God. None are more true than the other. What makes this concept idiotic?
>>767420054
What's to know? It was a massive amount of killing that was either motivated by religion, or excused because of religion, or both.
>>767419701
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this drivel you think is eloquent just... isn't.
I mean, do you really believe that the earth's 24hour day is human dependent? Are we also behind mercury's day being longer than it's year?
And again,
>I Do not have time to sum up the crusades or the Spanish inquisition but these would be two fine measurement of God.
No one's asking you to give me a summary of something I'm already aware, only to apply to metric to god which you've failed to do.
>>767419959
>You cant
lmao. If you think religion's unification is cohesive in nature you're incredibly naive. It's cohesive for those in power to swallow up those subject to it.
>Yet it did hold Europe together, maintained order in culture, protected works of art and literature
It did this alone? You're saying people inherently are careless for their cultural touchstones if not for religion? Give it a rest. People are smarter than you give them credit for, I think that's the main difference in our reasoning here.
>Hope is a valuable thing. Something that creates reason and joy. Its intangible yet crucial. What would be the benefit of getting rid of it?
The benefit of getting rid of religion? You mean besides fundamentalist wars against progress and science, or just the general benefit of RATIONAL thought?
>Ah I see now. NVM
You see what you want to see. Another difference between us.
>>767420302
My god can kick your gods ASS
>>767419701
Well, technically a day would still be 24 hours. Nobody would know it was 24 hours, or even what an hour is, but something doesn't have to be known to be true.
>>767420340
There's some evidence that higher primates, at least, have superstitious belief structures, yes. Ultimately, there's not much difference between the fallacious induction that there is a First Cause and the fallacious induction that gravity will make things fall downward or that the Sun will rise tomorrow.
>>767420575
holy shit a rational thought
>>767420054
That is about the point I was going for. There was as much God in the crusades as there is time in a clock. I know you most likely saw something you specialize in and so jumped on what seemed like easy debate pray but I am speaking of limitations of reality through limitations of perception.
>>767420604
Don't look to closely at it, you'll go blind.
>>767420660
God told me
None of this would've happened if we just let Hitler make the one true master race
>>767420479
I don't believe in any God...no need...im an evolved human being...religious are unevolved...youre no different to Muslims stoning people to death for insulting their prophet
>>767420575
>something doesn't have to be known to be true.
Truth has no meaning without knowledge. The concept of truth itself must be known in order for anything to be true.
>>767420609
>but I am speaking of limitations of reality through limitations of perception.
I'd like to see your face when you realize your perception is the most limited of all.
>>767419701
Fuck it I'm doing this.
>Crusade 1:
>This was the most important Crusade.
>While the peasants Crusade was religiously based they accomplished little more than some raiding and then their own destruction.
>This Crusade was started at the request of the Byzantine Emperor who wanted to retake lost territory
>This Crusade was then pushed by the Pope who needed to unite Europe around him due to a splat with the HRE
>The Crusading princes were in for loot, land, and titles. The principle leaders of this crusade made choices that set themselves up as rich landed lords.
The point is the crusades could have happened WITHOUT religion. We know this because they did. This was a clash of cultures- one that had been happening for sometime. The Romans invaded the middle east, the Greeks invaded the middle east- there was a history of conflict between Europe and the middle east.
>>767420586
Well being superstitious isn't really the same as being religious.
>>767420820
And what religion might I be?
>>767420862
Don't argue with him. He's the same type of uneducated mouth breather who thinks the american civil war was specifically about slaves. NOTHING can have more than one motive, or be twined together by multiple fates and events.
>>767420846
You should really educate yourself, philosophically and scientifically.
>>767418960
Carlos!
>>767421048
>You should really educate yourself, philosophically and scientifically.
Nice ad hominem, have anything useful to say?
>>767420885
I... just explained specifically how it is. It's all a form of fallacious induction. Fallacious meaning not that it IS wrong, but that it CAN be. It's all the result of the use of good-enough reactive thinking used for time-critical decision-making, where induction is used to form rapid conclusions because, playing the odds, those of your ancestors who used were more likely to survive and breed than those who took too long to reason logically that the flash of tan behind those leaves was a sabre-tooth.
>>767421048
True. It's amazing how people reduce the complexity of history and use it to push a narrative.
>>767421188
Ok but they're not the same thing
>>767420475
You are getting closer to the point now. these peoples God's are as real to them as light is to you. Your disbelief is the same as their belief. Another opinion formed in the gray matter in your skull. The same as every other human being.
>>767421198
Not really. People think and communicate in narratives. It's called having a perspective. You're pushing a pretty limited one right now even.
>>767417800
>>767418530
HELLO FELLOW ATHEISTS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE CATHOLIC SECT OF CHRISTIANITY
I SURE DO LOVE BEING AN ATHEIST, FELLOW ATHEISTS, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS ALSO TIME TO CONVERT TO THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FAITH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE DIRTY NECKBEARD FEDORA TIPLERS
YOU CAN TRUST ME, AS I AM AN ATHEIST LIKE YOU
>>767421313
Done. I should know better than to play chess with pigeons.
>>767421351
Does not matter. Having a perspective does not mean you cannot understand the complexity behind and event. Boiling it down into simplistic terms often leads to an incomplete understanding.
>>767420846
Carbon was carbon before we knew it.
The sun was a star before we knew that.
Knowledge is just the result of our subjective experience. Objective reality persists without that.
>>767421418
Identity politics
>Implying all atheists hate religion and religious people
I was once like you kiddo. Angry at religion. I truly do not believe there is a god in any way. Doesn't mean I cannot respect the importance of a 2000 year old religion that is an ingrained part of my people's culture.
>>767421174
>have anything useful to say?
Yeah, truth is truth. It exists outside of our discovery of it. We didn't "invent" time or math or any metrical concept, we DISCOVERED them. They exist, they are tangible. They may not be a complete understanding of the fabric of universe and surrounding reality, but that doesn't devalue their intrinsic existence. It's specious to take away their existence to push your agenda that everything is in "the eye of the beholder."
Simply put, there just are things that are objective. Deal with it.
>>767421475
>Boiling it down into simplistic terms often leads to an incomplete understanding.
Understanding is always incomplete. Finding simple terms that are most relevant is our job as story tellers. You just disagree about what's most relevant - again, because of perspective.
>>767421421
Do you? You say should know better, does that mean you consider it? Do you not like birds of pigeon kind? Would you rather play chess with crows or doves?
>>767421603
Just because something is itself doesn't mean it's existence is true. Truth is a value we often but don't always assign to equivalence. Our knowledge of that equivalence is thus partly what guides our understanding of truth.
Do you believe love is a chemical reaction?
>>767421664
I would say religion is massive aspect of the Crusades. I would also say that politics, imperial ambition, and a desire for wealth played just as important a role.
Understanding will remain incomplete if we do not expand the narrative. The story is simple- but you can present it in multiple contexts from multiple angles and come away with a deeper understanding. Not a complete understanding- but a better one none the less.
>>767418384
ME TOO, FELLOW ATHEIST
DESPITE DEFINETLY NOT BEING A RELIGIOUS PERSON (NO SIR NOT ME), I TOO THINK THAT RELIGION IS SUPER COOL AND RAD AND WAY MORE COOL THAN ATHEISM WHICH IS FOR LOOSERS
>>767421885
see>>767421613
faggot
>>767421475
Having a perspective means that while you CAN understand complexity, you can't ever perceive it objectively. You can satisfy your own skepticism, but that's all.
Not saying you or anyone else can do better, just saying, it's not objective perception.
>>767421885
TO BE FAIR YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VERY HIGH IQ TO UNDERSTAND ATHEISM
>>767421629
>we DISCOVERED them.
First we defined them, then we discovered properties that emerged from our definitions. What I'm talking about is that process of defining things (of turning them into knowledge). See my explanation here: >>767421811
>>767421832
You claim a better understanding is synonymous with a deeper understanding. I do not think this is always the case. There are times when it is not appropriate to convey a deep understanding, but rather an understanding that is more relevant to a specific topic. Context is key.
>>767421968
If you analyze from multiple views and present all the information it is generally somewhat objective. We cannot find pure objectivity but we can find some
>>767422041
Turn off the cruise control friend.
>>767422041
I have the highest eye cue
>>767418443
>>767421811
The point is, those statements would be true, even if there was nobody around to read them or understand them. Fundamentally all we're arguing here is the classic "Tree falls and nobody's around" scenario.
I say the tree makes a sound, even with nobody around. If you think that there has to be someone to hear the tree for the sound to exist, then that's where we disagree. I believe in objective reality, but I don't think we can truly perceive it, nor do I think our perception affects it.
>>767422082
If you convey a specific message you are basically lying. If you convey the message that WW2 happened because of Japanese expansion and Japanese expansion only you may understand 1 small aspect but you are doing a disservice by making it seem as though only Japan was responsible.
I don't believe in gods. I don't believe in anything unnatural. Yet, I go to church every sunday and practice religion. It's not because of the imaginary guy in the sky, but because Religion and Icons are what drive mankind forward. One who doesn't do these things, cannot understand it. But like Todd Howard said, it just works.
>>767422165
I have a farr hier iye q
>>767420855
Or you can read the thread and see that all I have said set this thread on fire. Might be something to it.
>>767422165
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>>767417133
I'm not making shit up. Atheists don't have to waste their time and money believing in gods and paying for this faith. so naturally this would mean you're successful,right? or are you just a salty failure?
so if faith is pointless then so is trust, I mean it's a form of faith put into something or someone with mostly no basis and no real promise it won't completely fuck you over.
and "mutual respect and empathy" is just a longer way of saying you are lost in your own emotions, which makes sense because most atheists are narcissistic aspies.
>>767418443
Will too bee fare moss religionis saids you're gost sprit leaf you're boodie wehn yuo dice.
>>767422114
That's precisely what I said. You can satisfy your own skepticism. If "analyzing from mutliple views etc." satisfies yours, then there you go.
>>767416435
yet somehow the electrons formed your words on my screen
>>767422246
>those statements would be true
They sure would be, and I never claimed otherwise. I'm talking about the concept of truth itself, not things which are beheld as true. Please, try to keep up.
>If you think that there has to be someone to hear the tree for the sound to exist
This has nothing to do with my point.
>>767421603
They really believe that universe is completely subjective, probably because they just don't know that many facts about it.
>>767421664
> You just disagree about what's most relevant - again, because of perspective.
If you take war time narratives at face value I just feel bad for you. Let me guess, you have no idea for why Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941 do you?
>>767421832
Ironically enough, PREACH that rationality.
>Just because something is itself doesn't mean it's existence is true.
No, the fact that it's an observable, reoccurring phenomenon, that can be measured, and extrapolated, means that it has a consistency to it and realization develops and patterns form. That is science. Truth is a value like binary. Something either is true or isn't. That's the nature of truth. Now that being said, trying to find truth can be much more complicated, but it's entirely dependent on the question asked. That's why science phrases the world the way it does, we find fundamental truths about the universe and often these truths line up and form coherent frameworks that can even be used to guess about things we know MUST be there. We have found these things, and modern physics continues to push those boundaries. I can't continue to take you seriously if you can't meet me on this point.
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>>767422502
Then we agree on that point
Perhaps we can agree that if you are going to use history to push a political narrative it is important you understand as much of it as possible otherwise you may be doing a disservice to anyone who listens.
>>767416316
I believe what I believe because of my past experiences....
Take that for what you will, I'm not Christian or Jewish or Zenist or anything... My religion is quite simple...
But nobody gives a fuck about some /b/tard's beliefs...
>>767422434
>and "mutual respect and empathy" is just a longer way of saying you are lost in your own emotions, which makes sense because most atheists are narcissistic aspies.
Stunning analysis there mate. Did god hand you down this line of logic himself?
>>767422556
>>Just because something is itself doesn't mean it's existence is true.
Yeah we agree.
I just became atheist like 6 months ago and I never noticed just how pushy Christians can be with their beliefs until I quit being one
>>767422380
Anon I only prefer phallic hats
>>767422249
>you are doing a disservice
In some contexts this is certainly true, but not all. You seem upset because people use this manipulation of relevance to push an agenda. This does happen and it can be a real problem. More often though, I think people do it to fit a context. My point is that your interpretation of their motive is limited by your perspective.
>If you take war time narratives at face value I just feel bad for you.
I don't. I also don't care much for the study of history though. I'm speaking from the perspective of a linguist.
>>767422556
replied here forgot link >>767422816
>>767422246
I like how you see it but for the part where human perception does not effect reality. In China in the 1950 sparrows were thought to harm grain. They where hunted to extinction within the virders of China. Latter it was learned they had no affect on the grain but it was that belief that got them all killed.
>>767422808
I like you anon. We both have massive eye q
>>767422434
I have more faith in sports
>>767422769
In fact you returned to being atheist. Everyone is born atheist and remains that way until a pervert in a frock lies to them.
>>767419984
>>767419984
I can be very successful and happy completely fucking over anyone who slightly wrongs me.
look at stalin, or really most despots. Most live happily while destroying others and never pay penance for this.
my point is most moral decisions are based on a cane vs carrot scenario whether you believe it or not. people will always consider ramifications before doing something deemed immoral and the overall most damning restraint in this is religion. now of course not everyone falls under this but it's not hard to think those who don't have much going for them might go out and commit some atrocities because there is no real punishment beyond law to stop them.
I've brought this up to atheists before (some who do horrible shit and bitch that they didn't get away with it but that's not important) and their main argument is that caring for people and "being human" is enough to hold back most people and it really isn't.
so my question rather than what forms the moral compass is what stops that person from doing horrible shit when in some cases there will be no consequences beyond religious?
>>767422628
Shut up bitch
>>767422543
>try to keep up
Well, I see you're someone who values intelligence only for devaluing others. What a pathetic existence. If you reread the entire chain of messages, you'd see that the argument I presented was to an anon saying
>The concept of truth itself must be known in order for anything to be true.
I was arguing that truth is truth, and doesn't need to be known. Next time you want to argue about something, it might help if you know what's being discussed.
>>767422556
>Truth is a value like binary. Something either is true or isn't. That's the nature of truth.
A nature we defined through observation. Truth as a concept could not exist on its own - without the observable or the observers. This is why I say truth has no meaning without knowledge.
>>767422948
I like me too
>>767422769
Might have something to do about wanting to save people from eternal suffering...
>>767422769
And while they are bashing on people’s doors trying to scam fresh fools and issuing threats of eternal burning and torture, they are wailing about outspoken militant atheists.
>>767423060
Well to be fair your not born not believing in God, just unaware.
>>767423090
Nope
>>767423158
That was me, but what I actually said was
>truth has no meaning without knowledge
You've interpreted my statement incorrectly. Perhaps it was unfair of me to think I was being clear after explaining it in several different ways though, this is a tricky concept and you're not the only one struggling to understand me. I've attempted to explain again here: >>767423166
>>767422616
Sure, that's fair. I think misrepresenting your expertise is always bad, but I also think people are far too trusting with information. They just want a trump card. Some string of words they can memorize that will let them win any argument and act smug.
I'm not sure how to fight that, though. Then again, 4chan is precisely the place TO misrepresent your expertise. So i dunno
>>767423315
>not believing in God,
That’s the literal definition of atheism. It applies to every newborn in the history of our species.
>>767423410
I interpreted your statement OUT of context MUTHA FUCKA
>>767423252
>bashing on people’s doors
yeah. the last time i came across jehovahs witnesses, one of them was trying to smash a window with a hammer and the other was shoving a battering ram into the door shouting HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD NEWS!?!?!?
>>767416435
Do you believe in God? If the answer is anything but "yes," congrats - you're an atheist.
>>767423508
I know, Isn't communication fun? I was musing about this very issue earlier in the thread with a delightful anon (>>767418676) who seemed to be a fellow linguist.
>>767422929
Sorry, I misspoke. I didn't mean that it our perception can't have real effects, just that objective reality doesn't change to fit whatever flaws our perception might have.
>>767416616
Believing in any particular religion is one of the single most costly and destructive forces in the history of mankind - but whatever, it doesn't cost people anything...
>>767423166
>A nature we defined through observation
Granted.
>Truth as a concept could not exist on its own - without the observable or the observers.
Again, the metrics don't need observers. This universe could have not a single sentient lifeforms, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that atoms still have have lives, or the denseness of matter warps spacetime, etc etc.
These things are "true"
> This is why I say truth has no meaning without knowledge.
The truth, much like your god always was. That fact that it can discovered is evidence of that. Ancient egyptians would have no idea that their geometric concepts of math could be applied to the fabric of space itself, and yet, that doesn't stop from being true. Are arguing the meaning of truth or that existence of truths?
>>767416674
I do. 11th and up (depending on your preference) dimensions. All things are infinitely possible. That means that there are infinite realities where Superman and any combination of fictional characters really do exist. There is an infinite number of realities where there is no laws of science/ select combination of them and others. Every action and thought anything makes creates infinite realities. So that would only logically mean that there is an infinite number of realities that have the Christian god (who fun fact was also a chief deity of the Sumarian religion) and an infinite number that don't.
>>767423470
See>>767423315
Also newborns don't know how to human so that's a pretty ridiculous statement
>>767423959
>There is an infinite number of realities where there is no laws of science
This is literally impossible. You believe in superman kys.
>>767420846
Oh that was you? I figured there was no way you'd be stupid enough to forget your own post.
>you've interpreted my statement incorrectly
Funny how I did that, when I QUOTED YOUR POST.
>That was me, but what I actually said was
>truth has no meaning without knowledge
>>767423410
Wanna try again there genius?
mobileposting so fuck greentext
be me
live life mostly as an athiest. one side of the family was heavily christian and this is what took me away from christianity in the first place
grew up with pretty good morals. i have my degenerate qualities but i try to do good for the world
start becoming very depressed at around 19 YO
talk to a very good friend of mine about god for a while. has me come to church with him
go for about 4 months. very nice community. helped me a lot with depression
still couldnt find any kind of truth in god though
come to realize its not 100 percent about god and faith
a lot of people are there simply for the community and sense of being
Im 21 now and i live as agnostic i guess. I dont deny the idea of god outright but it has never grasped me. Ive heard from a lot of people that discovering god is kindve like a lightswitch thats different for everyone. I live my life like i want to. and i live it as well as i can.
On a side note to the super edgelords. A lot of the morality that we derive and consider "human" like dont kill, steal, rape, etc. is largely based from Christian values whether you like it or not. inb4 muh old testament. I cant remember what the hell it was but i remember seeing an image that was pretty well convincing of the outdatedness of the old testament through theological means.
religions in general are pretty neat tbh
>>767416316
I believe the government is controlled by the Illuminati, and I believe that they get their power from Satan.
So if so believe Satan is real, I must also believe god is.
Read the Bible a few times and have had prayers answered, but aI guess that could just be coincidence
>>767423636
They're not assaulting people, but they are a little forceful. LOL I remember them surrounding me when I went to my mailbox one day, and I made the mistake of being honest with them and saying I was an atheist. They kept me pinned there for almost 30 minutes.
I could have just walked away, or told them to go away, but they were nice old ladies, and they weren't being mean, so I was nice back.
>>767416435
But we aren't blind? Are we?
We're feeling our way around in the dark and finding out finding out that all that magical fantastical unexplainable shit that we were 100% sure was gods to the point we murdered and had wars over it, one by one, without fail, as we discover what they really are by illuminating the darkness with reason and emprical evidence, was not magic at all.
We aren't blind. Sure there is never 100% certainty. But we have a really.. really.. very.. extremely well educated and informed guess.
A blind man can still explain to you an object is round using his other senses.
>>767418736
1.my point was people do horrible shit and one major factor was consequences, what stops atheists besides the lawful punishment from fucking people over if they can do nothing but gain from it? and human solidarity is probably the least utilized belief out there right now, if you don't believe me go to any other social platform, imgur is a really good one for this and see something about animal abuse and read the comments. people are the most split and divided species on the earth so I really don't know what you're talking about.
2.that's a good answer. but you do understand why others believe right? faith is powerful as fuck and can lead to redemption and ruin, most atheists don't understand the concept of faith and completely gloss over it while they bash religion.
3.that's good. my point was b8 but it boils down to fedora lords thinking they are above those feeble minded "sheeple" and yet do nothing with their lives but shitpost and depend on others to take care of them.
and to answer your question I know many atheists and most of who I know are either religious atheists (spiritualism and stupid shit like that) or fedora edgelords and as said before, rely on their parents and can't make any decisions on their own. there are a few that are OK but only one isn't a complete fucking failure as the other three are all ex addicts that constantly fuck up.
so maybe I don't have the best view of atheists but do to what I have seen I find them beyond annoying and even though I am not really religious and keep my faith to myself want to fuck with them relentlessly out of aggravation.
>>767423946
>the metrics don't need observers.
>These things are "true"
They are only true because this is how we've defined truth. We've only defined truth this way because we've observed things with the properties you describe. The properties you describe are not truth. Truth itself was defined by the observers to have those properties. Truth could not exist without knowledge of them.
>Are arguing the meaning of truth or that existence of truths?
I'm arguing that truth itself, that which we define to be truth, could not exist without knowledge.
>>767424106
Flip those links, I put them backwards
>>767423768
Nu uh nigga us tax dollars are used in some instances for like these foundations and churches and most churches are exempt from paying taxes
>>767424194
Satan is god guy
>>767424138
i agree with a lot of what you said, except for that last bit about morality coming from christianity. for one thing, christians haven't historically followed those rules. for another, history is littered with non-christian cultures with institutions built to discourage theft/murder/etc.
>>767417439
so it trust then.
and relationships.
all of them require blind faith in another person or thing and according to you faith is pointless so the only thing you can depend on is yourself and depending on your psyche that is also into question, so what do you believe in then?
>>767424034
It is only impossible in this reality as far as we know. It is foolish to put the boundaries and limitations of our reality onto others. Are there an infinite number that do have ours, yes. Your inability to get out of your own perception is your shortcoming. Your kys line only proves that you want to bury your head away from anything that you cannot comprehend. I pity your existence.
>>767424379
I'm blind but I made this post by the will of gob
>>767424106
I don't think it's funny when people are incapable of understanding me, I think it's sad. I did try again though, you can take a gander if you're still curious: >>767424412
>>767424626
Alternate universes and reality cannot be proved
>>767424386
>What stops athiests from fucking people over.
We are social animals. We cooperate. Even murderers have friends. We mostly do what serves the perceived greater good after the needs of ourselves and our families and close circles are cared for.
And that's an instinct. We aren't very strong animals or very capable in the wild alone. Natural selection rewarded those who bound together and shared and acted selflessly because that ultimately did keep the whole race alive.
And don't act like religious fags are endlessly moral and loving. They experience the same duality. Empathyetic support and sacrifice, love, charity, and being an asshole to those who they feel are getting in the way of the goals of themselves and their families and close circles. This is universal.
>>767416316
I'll tell you why Jesus is still my savior.
>peace that transcends human understanding
>seeing the nature of people who don't have it
>biblical prophecies that came true
>archeological evidence of biblical places and people
>far too many things that remain unexplained in the absence of any divinity
What is it to be a Christian? It means to live the teachings of Jesus Christ. Follow the commandments, pray, give thanksgiving and love each other as He loved you. The sad reality is most people who say they're Christians don't do these things. They're like children who know their dad is watching them but they still disobey anyway. I can see why atheists are quick to shun Christians or don't even know what it means to be a Christian when so many people who claim to be that aren't so.
>>767424386
Wait, are you saying the only reason you don't walk outside right now and kill somebody or rape some chick is that you're afraid of going to hell? If so, you're an awful human being, and I'm glad the fear of god keeps you from acting on your sadistic urges, lol
>>767424503
Not sure if you misspelled god as good, but if so I’d urge you to seek out god. (Not meant to be an insult)
Society is constantly perverting the will of god. I believe homosexuality is a sin, and just as it was accepted by society y I bet you pedophilia will be accepted by the time we’re 50.
Television corporations hide satanic subliminal messages in popular media and indoctrinate us in the occult from an early age
>>767424854
If I visit one that won't prove it?
>>767424895
If you haven’t already I’d encourage you to look into satanic subliminal messages in movies, pretty spooky stuff.
>>767424895
Jesus can't beat rocket arms T-Rex
>>767418579
name a government that didn't support religion that wasn't a fucking nightmare to live in.
>>767424932
Well, you can't so, that's over before it started.
How do I know I don't have multiple personality disorder, and that when I'm responding to other anons in here, I'm not just responding to something I wrote a minute ago and then forgot? That this entire thread isn't filled with posts by my crazy samefagging ass?
How do you, the reader, know that you're not me, and that you forgot writing this, and every other post in here you don't think you've written?
Why do I have an erection right now?
>>767424923
Does god test the faith of man?
Not an argument.
>>767424626
If there were an infinite number of realities, that means there are an infinite amount of chances a civilization will develop trans-dimensional movement, come to our dimension, and kill us all. I am alive, so there must be only one reality. Same goes for infinite time, time must be finite as otherwise time travel would have already been invented and someone would have come to our dimension.
Don’t try to sound intellectual, go back to your fedora or make coherent arguments.
>>767425203
>you can't
And you can't prove this statement. You're literally talking out of your ass.
>>767425148
Canada
>>767419396
wow good job, not a single fucking argument.
atheist organizations do nothing but shill books and -wait a minute, it's almost like a religion of retards bashing religion.
>>767425310
God does not, Satan does. It has been written that Satan has control until the second coming of Christ.
After that point our acceptance into heaven will be determined by how we acted when Satan tried to corrupt us.
>>767418676
Chomsky is more of a overrated hack than fucking jordan peterson.
>>767424854
That's not entirely true anymore. While it is still only a hypothesis, there is still a bit of potential evidence. The scientific community have outright dismissed it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GcO84aL2k2M
http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/scientists-find-what-could-be-the-first-proof-of-parallel-universes
https://amp.theguardian.com/science/across-the-universe/2017/may/17/multiverse-have-astronomers-found-evidence-of-parallel-universes
>>767425378
Well excuse me. My statement was pretty concrete and not literally coming from my ass pervert.
>>767425336
The infinite realities argument is interesting but the time travel one is flawed - who says humans survive long enough?
>>767424923
>just as it was accepted by society y I bet you pedophilia will be accepted by the time we’re 50.
And what evidence do you have for this besides the consitently debunked slippery slope fallacy?
>Television corporations hide satanic subliminal messages...
Oh, never mind, you're a psychopath.
If you're so godly what the fuck are you even doing here? And don't say saving souls - satan's clearly got you by the ass and into some lolicon threads.
I never once believed in God as a child. Nothing about it made sense to me. I understand the world in facts, you may call that autismal if you desire. I'd ask my aunt and uncle where heaven is terms of the natural world and they'd tell me shit like "above space." I never believed in spirits or ghosts either. I still could be scared, but the shit never really took.
Later I would realize that I could rationalize a god without the silly fundamentalist pretext, but even then god seemed like an unnecessary step in sensing the world. And ultimately I thought, why does a thing that cant be proven or does not intervene in our daily lives require a second thought?
It wasn't until my grandma kept reminding that me and my mother wouldn't be joining our family in heaven that I started legitimately stressing out about it (being ~14ish.)
So in the end I'm not against those who believe in god, but for people like me nothing about the natural world requires a god to develop a framework for how things work. All religion ever did was sew an unnecessary aspect of derision in my family.
I believe we have it within ourselves to grow, and it's an aspect of our own nature to develop sympathy and empathy. I know many many many religious people (I'm an American and lived in over 12 dif states) and sorry to say but religion has not developed one kind or tolerant or empathic bone in their body.
>>767424892
This.
>>767424626
You can retain your pity for yourself. I don't dismiss the impossible, but you literally said without any corroborating evidence (even a popsci mag) that there exists universes in which matter somehow matter forms without having electrons shells (or reactions) or where neutrons have a charge. Unless you have anything useful to say about these strange and exotic places, I'm going to carry on talking about things I have direct proof of. I still dream you dolt.
>>767425336
>If there were an infinite number of realities, that means there are an infinite amount of chances a civilization will develop trans-dimensional movement
Not how that theory works, brainlet.
>>767424386
1. Didn't say it was being utilized to its fullest, but I agree with you that we're not adopting that mindset enough. But I don't really like the argument that atheists have no reason to be good besides the law. Religious people have violated God's word when it suited them, so I'm not seeing the difference. The word of God is truth, but then why so many denominations? Why not just fundamentalism? I think if we're going to take responsibility for our morals, we need to take full responsibility.
2. Yes. I wasn't always an atheist, and to this day, the most moving piece of art I've seen is something from my childhood. An animated version of Exodus called The Prince of Egypt. Laugh if you want, but it's the closest I've come to really feeling the awe of being connected to a being more incredible than I can imagine.
I do realize how outside the norm that is, though. Which I guess addresses point three. I don't like cheap superiority, but I do know that's what a lot of people thrive on, atheist or otherwise. However, atheists have been forced into silence or punished for thousands of years. When they finally got their say, they used it to gripe. Unfortunately, modern atheists learned from them, and they took it to mean they should be as arrogant and demanding as possible.
>>767425336
That's the thing with infinite numbers. There would have been an infinite number of you that have been murdered by transdimensional traveling entities, an infinite number of you that has been benefited by them, an infinite number of you that has had no interaction with them, an infinite number of you that ARE the entities and so on and so forth.
>My statement was pretty concrete
Then where's your proof of impossibility? You made a claim, the burden of proof lies with you. Or would you rather continue to make cheeky comments about the non idiomatic interpretation of my cheeky comment?
>>767425886
Correct, that is not at all how that works.
>>767425438
To call me religious and my points non arguments is facetious and you know it. Religion creates social cohesion in situations where the peoples are homogeneous to a certain extent already, or the persons in power are using to swallow up other weaker peoples into a cohesive sphere of their power. What's false about that? I submit that people of early Europe helped themselves, and their religion was just an extension of that.
I like how despite your bitchfit, you're actually the one that fails to provide a body of opinions guiding your differing viewpoint. Almost like a non argument.
>>767416316
Back up plan just in case in the slightest it is real
>>767425848
>I don't dismiss the impossible
>Instantly called something impossible in your first response to dismiss it
That's consistency.
>>767425533
There are instances where god test the faith of man in the bible look it up. God also tends to contradict himself. He's benevolent but wrathful and envious. Like someone who lies so much they don't even realize it. You know who else lies? Satan. The devil is a deceiver. The biggest deception would be that god is Satan. How can a god be all forgiving but does not forgive Satan. Maybe he can't forgive himself.
>>767416674
We know that it's fiction tho
>>767426589
Well, it does say in the bible that God is all things. Following the chain of logic, that would mean god is also satan.
>>767425336
....but then an equally infinite amount of chances that you never interacted with that trans-dimensional movement in anyway...
>>767426571
You literally said a comic book hero from the mind of a jewish man born in new york in the 1920's is alive and lives out his story line in some other reality.
If you don't understand why I'm hesitant to take you up on that there's nothing more to be said here.
Then how dafuq do we exist?
>>767422041
Not really. You must have a low iq or terrible interpretative skills to think you do. There is however a correlation with atheism and stem fields. That may be where you're confusing IQ and religion.
>>767426343
My proof is your lack of proof. I'm not the one saying something exist. What is your physical proof to back this claim?
>>767426810
Spoiler alert for those who didn't read the manga
>>767425726
Jesus christ i hate youtube people.
>>767416316
and shouting this kind of shit is one of the reasons u don't have a gf dickwad
>>767426943
I said that based on the 11th dimension where all thing are possible. Based of that and following the logic chain of the 11th dimension thinking, then yes Superman would exist and be fictional here. You and I are potential just fictional characters in another reality. Read about the different dimensions before you try to sound smart and only sound ignorant.
>>767426831
Also infinite amount of chances it doesn't exist at all
>>767426971
Rocks
>>767427241
Eh, that's your opinion to have. I won't begrudge you that.
>>767427336
This is also potentially true.
>>767427307
I doubt you know any of the math involved in string theory.
>>767427537
Math? 2+2 can equal fish
>>767427672
true
>>767426769
We know your bible is fiction too.
>>767427719
Thats gods bible boy not mine
238 replies and not. one. godtard has answered my questions.
* dodging questions for jesus *
>>767427537
I have read up on it, but thanks for picking my next reread for me (and this is a sincere thanks)
>>767427800
Your god’s fake and your bible’s garbage.
>>767427885
That's because the religious usually can't handle their being shaken even for an instant.
>>767427885
What question bitch head
>>767428118
OP questions, shithead.
>>767427964
That aint my bible nigger boy thats the lords bible
>>767428228
What questions bitch head
>>767428046
Faith*
I clearly need sleep.
>>767428286
And a brain
>>767420452
You sir touch on an interesting point.
Humans cannot conseive the mind of god and therefore struggle to represent it be it though interaction in stories or statues one thing is true though they all represent the same underlying though prosess we call God.
Take something material simple like a cup. They can come in all shapes sizes and colors but when you come across one you recognize it as a cup.
Because of the underlying abstract we call a cup.
>>767428670
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
>>767428281
Hurr duurrrr to tired to get my shit pushed in by theology
>>767428875
We have a concept for aliens we call them aliens not Gods , I really hope you aren’t pretending to be retarded.
A cup != fork
>>767416316
>So..He was behind of it...
>>767429036
>I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
>>767429143
Ishygddt
>>767429201
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
>>767429036
We in the modern times can do that. If ancient people saw them, they would have no concept of aliens. You can't compare modern conceptions with ancient ones.
>>767416316
Your premis is retarded because atheist that were brought up in relious house holds exists.
Go suck a dead donkey dick.
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
>>767429702
well said dippy
>>767429358
No I compare the need for new labels with the decscovry of new catergorations
A God != Alien
A cup != fork.
You might get away with saying any tech that is far enough ahead could be viewed as magic.
Well done God is still outside of martial reality aliens exist within you are wrong they are in different leagues playing different sports on different continents
>>767429511
>can't come to grips with his life long lie. His whole family, his neighborhood, all lied to him. His whole belief system is destroyed. Yet all he knows how to do is project his denial into personal attacks. But it doesn't help him, because dep down he knows in his heart he's lived a lie.
Just trying to help you yank the bandaid off man. I know it's scary, but you have to be a brave bigboy.
>>767430053
sure is a drastic take on a specious argument
>>767430053
Nice projection but you have not dismissed what I have pointed out.
And I was an edge lord atheist and found out that it is retarded. Because you are attempting to explain things with tools that are created inside of the thing you are trying to explain.
So ur saying atheists dont fear death even though they convince themselves theres just nothing
>>767430053
>can't come to grips with his life long lie. His whole family, his neighborhood, all lied to him. His whole belief system is destroyed. Yet all he knows how to do is project his denial into personal attacks. But it doesn't help him, because dep down he knows in his heart he's lived a lie.
I suspect this applies to a vast number of godtards. What a fucking awful predicament: either admit you got scammed and have been wrong for decades, or plug your head in the sand, continue the delusion and die a retard.
Poor old godtards. I would feel sorry for them if they were not such cunts.
>>767429809
Well a god would be an alien since it isn't of this world
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
I think aliens with big butts came to eArth and then that was what made the religions
>>767416316
Eh until I was about 9. Used to worry about my soul and shit. Now all I really think about the subject is when I die throw me in the trash. If there’s another plane of existence after this whatever I’ll figure that out when I get there. But if there happens to be someone on the other side they’ve got a lot of shit to answer for. Figured while I’m still alive I’ll spend it calling people fags on the internet.
>>767416316
Thanks for reminding me to read up on Polynesian faiths.
I mind my own business.
