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Why?
>>767309868
Because socialism
I eat souls
>>767309868
drop any sweet loot
>>767309868
He’s better off dead, what’s the controversy?
>>767309868
warms my heart
>>767310024
He deserves a life
>>767310135
He was costing the hospital too much money tho.
>>767310135
What life can he have had.... his brain was effectively jelly... he was nothing more than a vegetable.. I feel sorry for the kid and his family but his passing allows him to be at peace
>>767310658
If he was costing the hospital too much, they should have let the parents take him home within the 60hrs they took him off life support and stopped giving him water\food.
>>767310736
He could have lived longer. He lasted longer than they thought when they took him off life support.
>>767310736
Dude, after coming off life support he was
actively hugging his parents and smiling.
>>767310135
What life? Doctors, even those from Italy, told there was nothing to be done. He was dead anyway.
>>767310886
no he wasn't lmao
>>767309868
Because it was a fucking vegetable.
Frankly i suspect it was more munchausens by proxy than about their actual belief it would get better.
>>767310866
Source?
>>767310966
google.
>>767310866
Three fucking days in the same comatose state he's been in for months
>>767309892
Because humanism (Ooops, I did not say a big word..)
>>767310866
That because hsi brain stem allowed his organs to breath... don't mistake the ability to breath and the ability to live to be the same... he was effectively brain dead.. he might have lived a long time like that but he would never had woken up or done anything other than breath.
>>767310866
Surviving is not living. Just because your autonomic nervous system is making you breathe doesn't mean there is anything worth saving left in your skull.
>>767311040
From a degenerate American GOPsucker?
>>767310886
Don't believe anything that the parents posted... they were all stage pics
>>767310809
This. That was just cruelty as punishment.
>UK
>comedians locked up for jokes
>parents have no rights as far as their kids are concerned
>wtf UK
>>767309868
Goyim have to be destroyed
>>767310948
More than that in the uk parents of seriously ill kids get tons of money in welfare... he was a meal ticket
>>767311172
yeah, note how in recent pictures where he's *hugging*, someone is actually holding his arm in place because he's totally unconscious
>>767311321
This was what it was towards the end.
I mean why wouldn't they let the partent's take him home when he was off the machine? It's not like they could be worried about him dying or anything.
>>767311468
They were just worried if the hospital in Rome made him better they would look really bad.
>>767309868
"his brain is so compromised that he likely cannot see, hear, or communicate. He is probably unaware of his surroundings. They describe him as being in a "semivegetative" state. "
Jesus Christ what a nightmare. With no hope of recovery the state did the right thing and put the poor kid out of his misery.
>>767311321
In UK parents do not have property rights on their children, they have a responsibility.
>>767311321
In the uk kids have rights over their bodies over the parent rights. As the kid couldn't express his wishes the court of protection acts in his interest. So your right parents have little to no rights when it conflicts with the kids rights a d what's best for the kid
>>767311468
They were arranging it but it takes time to make sure carers and stuff are set up. Remember the kid hadn't been home for 18mobths
>>767311593
Even the Italian doctors said he would be worst to transport him in Italy. You are playing with the corpse of a dead children to push your agenda. Truly a degenerate we have here.
>>767311711
>and what's best for the kid
So not letting them take him home after the plug was pulled was somehow in the kids favour?
>>767311788
So? Kid was going home to die. Dying is something people generally don't need assistance with.
>>767311911
Like I said the hospital was trying to sort it out but takes about 5 days to arrange stuff like that in uk... and the kid hadn't left a hospital for 18 months so the parents would have needed to sort stuff out their end... not something that can be done over nighy
>>767312093
Theres nothing to set up. They took all his tubes out then waited for him to die.
>>767311997
Ever looked after a kid with complex health needs... even if dieing word still need an insane amount of equipment and care to just keep him in a state acceptable in the uk
>>767311911
Hospital is better equipped for a painless death.
>>767312093
Yes it is.
Disconnect kid from deactivated machine. Pick up kid. Get a taxi home.
I can guarantee you that the kid would have lived as full and happy a life as he would have in the hospital.
>>767312269
So he had enough brain activity to feel? That's not what we got told.
>>767312195
Hoists, special beds, matteress, bp machines, suction devices... he may not be hooked up to drips or ventators but would still need equipment to ensure he was comfortable
>>767312275
Doesn't work like that in the uk... we have red tape over how people die
>>767309868
Because they're Everton supporters.
>>767312355
Comfort doesn't apply if you don't have enough brain activity to feel discomfort.
>>767312455
Bingo.
>>767312455
There it is.
>>767312455
This.
>>767312455
True... but we are a humane society that believe even if the person cannot feel it we still do it...
>>767312408
I am aware of it. I live here for some unaccountable reason. My point is that the system need a severe overhaul. But this will not happen of too many makework red tape specialist and clipboard jockies will be out of work.
>>767312556
>but we are a humane society
[citation needed]
>>767312624
Look at the news tonight a grown man has gone to the court of appeal to get the right for someone to help him to die as he has motor neuron disease and can't do it him self
This was always worried about when it comes to euthanasia. That the weakest in society will be rid of for being a burden on the state.
>We are a shitty socialised hospital and totally useless even compared to a reasonably priced private hospital, there is nothing more we can do for your babby
>Ok we will take him elsewhere
>LOL no, he has to die now and he has to die here in our shitty hospital
To think people unironically support this
>>767313041
kek
>>767312275
shows how little you know... he was in a semi-vegetative state and never going to regain consciousness
>>767311833
>only our side get to use dead children to push our agenda
>>767313171
>and never going to regain consciousness
Wow you can time travel?
>>767310135
What life could he potentially have had? His brain was rotting away at the speed of light and the possibility of him ever waking up was practically zero.
Biologically he was alive, yes, but there was nothing left of him. That hospital slot and fuck knows how much taxpayer money could have gone to others who could be saved.
Anyway, fuck any of the cunts trying to politicise this.
>>767313041
spot the tory
>>767313240
no i just have common sense
brain dead babies stay brain dead dingus
>>767313041
Your wrong... the kid was in a semi private hospital which happens to be one of the best children's hospitals in the world. Second best in the uk... it wasn't like a backwater shit hole. I mean one of the best funded places anywhere
>>767309868
>Keep murderers alive for life.
>Pay thousands of tax dollars to keep human filth alive
>Child is on machines to stay alive.
>Let the child starve.
>Continue to feed subhuman filth. Let them work out, read, watch TV. All paid for by your tax dollars.
What makes me mad is we let niggers live and children suffer and die.
>>767310135
Tell that to God, who saw fit to give him a terminal birth defect.
>>767313315
Doctors have been wrong about patients before. People do wake from comas. A local cop who was in a coma since 1981 regained consciousness recently.
>>767313171
That was kind of the point I was pointing out. He could have died as a vegetable as efficiently at home.
>>767313565
There is a difference between coma and brain dead... coma patients react to stimulus, brain dead don't.
>>767313554
you're right! we should have paid thousands more tax dollars to keep a brain dead body breathing, amerifat
>>767313565
did he have a neurodegenerative brain disease?
>>767310922
So?
>>767312275
Is it what you do in America? Yes, because anyway you would not be able to afford keeping a child with the same condition for such a long time.
You would have to convince your health insurance to pay for it, but since this is not fully covered you would still have to pony up thousands of your Monopoly®© money by yourself each month. Waiting for a miracle that will never come.
Until broke and exhausted, you decide to pull the plug, finding justification in whatever trashy religion your mind is fucked-up with.
This is your promise, this is what you want, feeling yourself truly a saint among the sinners, shouting to the world "Look at me! I did not succumb to the socialized medicine, I am free!" Back in your dehumanized comfort zone you will be able to proudly contemplate your victory, poor and alone.
>>767313794
Actually my bad. Remembered the story wrong he died.
>>767314081
And if there was the slightest consciousness remaining, it would have been very painful for him. Still not understanding ?
>>767313794
>other hospitals offer to take him
>"lol nope he has to die here"
Money wasn't an issue here, they decided he had to die and that was it.
>>767314341
He died two days ago ffs
>>767314204
The government doctors couldn't do anything for the child EXCEPT insist it die in the hospital.
Other doctors insist they could help but the government doctors can't be proved wrong. That would prove the government wrong. We can't show disrespect to the all powerful government.
Good for you! Enjoy your existence while they allow you to.
>>767309868
The kid was, for all intents and purposes, as alive as a tub of Custard. Thats why.
>>767314438
If they can decide who lives and dies, where do we stand on murder?
>>767314204
I'm not American.
And none of that changes the fact that the hospital, after turning off the machine, didn't let the parent's take him home. Once the machine was off death is just a matter of short time. Dying at home would have offered some consolation to the parents. Either Alfie would be oblivious to it either way or they lied about how little brain he had left. I'm assuming the hospital didn't lie.
>>767314479
Wrong the Italian Dr were not offering a cure just a different palliative care routine...it was universally agreed the kid was just warm meat
>>767314438
doctors decided there was nothing more they could do, hospital in italy agreed with their prognosis. the kid wouldn't recover or leave the state he was in.
>>767314634
How is this not acceptable? WHY not allow the parents to try to help THEIR child?
>>767314383
No. Because either the hospital was being dishonest or there wasn't enough functioning brain left to feel pain with. Your not suggesting the NHS was lying to save face are you?
>>767314820
Because they had dared to defy the NHS and had done so publicly.
>>767314820
how would they help him?
>>767314937
EXACTLY.
How disrespectful of them to defy the government!
>>767315014
How would they harm him?
>>767315014
How is that relevant? They government doctors refused to let the child out of the hospital. Why did they insist the child die there? Why couldn't the kid die elsewhere? WTF right does the government have over someone else? OWAIT
>>767313279
Who the fuck is Tory?
They need to jail the parents for making this an issue. Perhaps a good public beheading would deter others from speaking out.
>>767315322
British conservative party.
>>767315161
Terminally ill people are usually sent to respite centers where their family can spend more time with them for their final days.
bow to your government masters, subjects. enjoy your benefits? pay the owners their due respect.
>>767314820
They had no money to help it and had no equipment to make sure the child wasn't further hurt while transporting home.
These cretins are the lowest form of scum. When their child died the dad did 15 mins CPR to try and revive him. If that doesn't indicate a truly unfit parent I don't know what does. The world agreed the child was brain dead no hope, they decided to blame everyone to try and change that. Turns out you can't.
>>767315408
Ah ok, I looked them up and they seem like idiots and I am right wing as fuck.
>>767309868
>baby born
>baby has birth defect the whole time
>pain and suffering for all involved
>now he's dead and the parents are heartbroken
Is this part of God's ultimate plan? Is this the God's miracle I hear everyone talk about?
>>767315490
The Vatican offered, sent a plane- money didn't matter in this case, it was about how much bigger the government's dick was than the people's.
And how dare they disrespect the government!
My favourite thing on the internet is Americans pointing out why socialised medicine is bad. I appreciate you have been properly lied to about it, but it really isn't something bad. Have you never wondered why every country that has it is proud of their system?
You should vote for universal healthcare when you can and enjoy it. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good overall
>>767315490
>They had no money to help it and had no equipment to make sure the child wasn't further hurt while transporting home.
The kid couldn't feel anything. He was brain dead. No brain activity. They couldn't have hurt him if they tried because there is nothing left to hurt with. No additional harm would have come to the child if he had been allowed to die at home but the parents might have got some closure.
>>767315654
Yes. God's plan. See how a tyrannical top-down government run healthcare system discards innocents.
>>767315671
They offered a different palliative care plan. Do you know what palliative means?
>>767315103
they wouldn't, but that's not the point. there was no help to be given by the parents or anyone else, all they could do was wait for his death
>>767315788
um. huh
>>767315577
if you're not of this country leave these hallowed halls at once tbh
>>767315764
>See how a tyrannical top-down government run healthcare system discards innocents.
Unrelated completely, this was a birth defect or that's what i'm reading in the thread
>>767315751
Maybe the child's dignity was worth a little more than these people's desires. He died comfortable and safe, not being dragged up some stairs in a council flat.
>>767315764
>implying the child could receive care and recover, or was even capable of perceiving anything around him
ok
>>767315577
They're not too bad. They even have some good ideas sometimes.
Britain takes it's politics very seriously. Except when it doesn't
>>767315896
>He died comfortable
No he didn't. Because he couldn't feel comfort.
>>767315577
>Ah ok, I looked them up and they seem like idiots and I am right wing as fuck.
What does that tell you, moron?
>>767316000
they're fucking shit
>>767314820
I have already answered this question read the thread
>>767315830
So no harm would have occurred taking the kid home?
It was deemed cruel to prolong his suffering, I feel for his parents though
>>767309868
degenerative genetic brain disease.
most of his brain was gone and his retarded parents wanted to keep his empty husk alive with machines.
Scientifically illiterate Right wing morons try to use this as ammo against socialized medicine.
You really can't get dumber than those religious right morons. They're trying to say socialized medicine is bad, yet the USA with it's privet health insurance has the highest infant mortality rate of any developed nation.
The right wing spin on this story is everything that's wrong about humanity, cherry picking, fact twisting, ignorance preying, just absolute pure garbage.
>>767316079
Better in a safe hospital bed rather than being dragged about in and foolish attempt at rescue. His parents did not have his best interests at heart. All of the people that makes these claims are poor working class monkeys. They politicise the demise of their own children and scumbags rally around them. It's really sad
>>767316170
i was responding to >>767314820
>How is this not acceptable? WHY not allow the parents to try to help THEIR child?
because they can't
>>767310135
he had no functioning brain left. I bet you can relate.
>>767316276
i love how religious people fight against science, technology and progress, but LOVE using the same technology to keep brain dead bodies breathing.
>>767316276
>Better in a safe hospital
Safe from what? Suffering? Nope. Kid can't feel. Death? Nope. Kid was dying. Loss of dignity? Kid was a sack of meet t hat had been shitting through a tube for 18 months in a hospital. Nothing to loose there.
>His parents did not have his best interests at heart.
I keep hearing this but not seeing any evidence of it.
I don't get why the US is so intent on derailing the benefits of the NHS whenever something like this crops up. Imagine being left with a dead kid AND be in debt to the tune of 200k because you couldn't come to terms with letting go of your child, due to an illness that completely degenerated their brain to the point of being jelly.
Genuinely cannot understand how media in the US can discuss how the NHS is shit when they kept the kid alive for free, and did it whilst the parents dragged the hospital through the mud.
The US is very "pro-life" in regards to something living - the US fails to consider what quality of life that person will have afterwards. It's fucking bizarre.
>>767309868
who gives a fuck
>>767316316
underrated
>>767316511
Britain does because it raises the questions of who determines what's best for children; the state or the family and where the line is drawn.
US does because it shows them how utterly evil all socialized medical care is without exception.
>>767316480
>because you couldn't come to terms with letting go of your child
You try it then, dumb fuck, oh that's right you're not in this situation so you can't but you're going to be ignorant about the subject anyway. Terrible shitposting, lurk more bud
Ok Americans listen up. The UK government does not run our hospital they only pay for them. Each hospital is run by a local trust that is answerable to the local community. They also explain to an organisation called nhs England. The government has no direct input in to the care of people just overall performance. Everything else is ran by the Drs who know what they are doing.
The courts are there to ensure the law is upheld.
Show some respect, we respect your obsession over a colour bit of cloth you pledge allegiance to allow us to enjoy our superior and cheaper health care system
>>767316476
>His parents did not have his best interests at heart.
>I keep hearing this but not seeing any evidence of it.
How can't you see it? You say the kid was a sack of meat that had been shitting through a tube for 18 months yourself. Surely the correct response to that indignity was to allow him to die peacefully. Maybe when your next relative becomes deathly sick you should drag them to Disneyland or perhaps a NASCAR race. I'm sure they enjoy being shunted about the place instead of drifting away in a comfortable bed.
>>767316679
"hurr durr my fee feez over facts"
lol, good job m8
Not sure you understand the word ignorant but whatevs mate, you sure dismantled my post
>>767316818
Except that's not what they were asking. They were asking in the end, after the machine was taken off, to take him home so that he could die at home. To them he could still feel (we know he can't but that not relevant to their perspective) and it's better to die surrounded by loved ones than in a sterile, clinical and loveless hospital. They could have maybe gotten some closure and comfort from that. Maybe they could have told themselves he went happily in the end and lived with the loss a little better. But the hospital took that from them.
>How can't you see it?
How can you see it. I see an ugly fucker of a father and an ugly as sin mother distraught and grieving. People under great emotional stress don't act well. But because they are lowest of lower class, ugly as shit and utterly ineloquent they are therefore Evil.
>>767314479
Da gubament doctors.
>insist it die in the hospital.
The custody of life awarded to hospital in-line with the rights of the child.
>Other doctors insisist they could he-
incredibly vague and inflammatory remark; no sources, wouldn't even pass as anecdotal. Unlike 643,000 annual bankruptcies annually for healthcare in the US for example.
I suppose your country has never had a health 'scandal' which by the way this scenario is not.
I'm not unsure where the grey area even is. The kid was brain dead and the remnants of his brain was eating itself. Bambino Gesu hospital offered palliative care but withdrew it because of the child's fragile health.
After life support, the child survived for several days as stated by the doctor, this proves nothing other than his unresponsive brain and body following all medical protocol.
>>767317436
The environment that he was going to be returned to had to be deemed fit for purpose. Was difficult to do that due to the habitual drug use and domestic violence.
>>767310135
>He deserves a life
Nothing deserves life, it is something that every creatures fights to achieve.
>>767316849
>reddit spacing on 4chan
Get a fucking clue, newfag
>>767317833
>had to be deemed fit for purpose.
It would have been terrible if he had died somewhere unsafe.
>>767316849
>lol, good job m8
>whatevs
>reddit spacing
If I knew any better, you are a underage nigger from Reddit
>>767318063
my sides
>>767317872
and that little shit failed to overpower the might of the British medical establishment. what a little bitch I'm glad he's dead
>>767317964
The sad irony is that once the courts where involved and orders where put in place it made it more difficult for alder hey to return the child quickly.
If the hospital had been as flippant with their decisions as you in the past, perhaps we wouldn't have reached this point.
>>767318177
It's almost like they valued form filling and red tape over ethical concerns.
>>767316849
>reddit spacing
You have to go back
>>767318285
I'm not sure where the moral issue is. Drug addled, violent parents or a clean sterile hospital accessible to the parents and full of trained professionals. Tough one.
>>767311321
>UK
>comedians locked up for jokes
>parents have no rights as far as their kids are concerned
>wtf UK
>Be american
>Have as many mass shootings as months there's been in the current year
>victims that survive and don't have insurance go into life long debt
>Shooters are used for whatever political agenda depending on their race
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2018_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
>>767309868
The toddler was brain-dead. There was no point in raising a literal vegetable.
>>767309868
Someone explain please?
>>767318536
And what use, in any way, are those professionals at that point? I'm sure he didn't need assistance dying.
Lemme get an F for this little dude
F
>>767318551
>Assuming all non brits are Americans
kek
>>767318702
That's a straw man argument and I think you're going off on a tangent to avoid the obvious conclusion. Have a good evening.
>>767318611
A toddler got brain-dead in the UK and the parents wanted to keep it tube-fed and ventilated, but the socialized medicine said "nah, we're going to pull the plug" and so the parents took it to court and the judges said "nah, we're going to pull the plug." So they went on socialism media and begged people to take care of their potato, and people all over the world said "come here and we'll try experimental treatment to make him unbrain-dead" and when they tried to leave with their brain-dead kid, the government of the UK would not let them. Can't transport raw meat without a license or something.
So eventually the cops had to be called to keep anyone from coming to abscond with the potato, and then every waited with baited breath while it starved to death, over a two day period.
Wah wah, my potato goin' modly!
>>767318551
>Ireland
>allowed to talk outside if we want
>parents raise their own kids
>no mass shootings
>weapons sweeps don't take away our bike wheels
come visit if you want Nigel and pack your suitcases full of freedom. Just say you're Australian.
>>767318611
>baby born in UK
>has neurodegenerative disease that makes his brain look worse than the teeth of an average chav
>brain turns into liquified gelatin
>family thinks Jesus will save baby like Lord Nelson at Trafalger
>really, baby is more fucked than your average Welsh sheep
>family also thinks that, while baby can be saved by Jesus, for some reason this can only happen if baby goes to Italy, 'cause the Anglicans scared Jesus away or some shit
>hospital says 'fuck no baby dying leave it alone'
>parents get butthurt
>baby dies
>Jesus tries to res, but Anglicans body camp and baby stays dead
>>767309892
because of socialism his care was free.
I am from the city mentioned and there have been hospital workers targeted and threatened who have nothing to do with the boy in intensive care.
I would suggest everybody read the full story but hears the short version.
A boy was in intensive care as he had a degenerative brain disease that is classed as terminal. The parents of The child fought to keep his life support on in the hopes he will recover, the nhs doctors determined it cruel he be kept on life support so decided to remove it. The parents objected and went to the european court of human rights who then sided with the doctors.
The pope got involved, other countries got involved to try and move him into there care (while also confirming the original diagnosis) the parents have argued the child wasn't given adequate palative care (to make the child more comfortable) and that other countries might (although they may charge a fee and the UK government may gave to pay again) the parents then rallied every bleeding heart they can and just like antifa these people do bad things (then pat themselves on the back and say they did good) they have threatened parents of other children and medical staff not even involved.
Last week someone who works at the hospital was riding public transport and had there name tag on, someone found them on Facebook, passed there info around and they received death threats.
The people doing this are mostly unemployed and the dregs of society
>>767315764
>See how a tyrannical top-down government run healthcare system discards innocents.
Do you know how many people the UK health care system saves?
I dare say the NHS saves a whole lot more people per capita than an american-esque private system.
>>767313794
Wait so you want niggers to live?
>>767319741
>I dare say the NHS saves a whole lot more people per capita than an american-esque private system.
I wouldn't until you have citations tbh famalam
>>767309868
>So..He was behind of it.
>>767310135
None of us deserve life. We're thrust here against our will.
>>767319146
all they had to do was paint the baby brown and say it was an immigrant and they would have flown in specialist immediately.
>>767314583
>implying that killing vegetables is tantamount to murder
>>767309868
socialized medicine
>>767320113
Baby over a year old. Can't wait a few more years to see if the condition changes?
>>767309868
man I would totally fuck that teddy bear... he dont need it anymore
>>767310922
>even those from Italy
If this was a Muslim family and not a Catholic family everything would be done to make the Muslims happy.
>>767318145
>and that little shit failed to overpower the might of the British medical establishment.
No, he was born with a disease that was eating away at his brain, there was little to nothing that the british establishment could do to save it.
>>767309868
Fuck that stupid kid I hope he dies
>>767319167
>Ireland
>being such an irrelevant country
lol, okay Paddy, tell me how your 4-leaf clover, guiness and potato export is funding all of Literally who:The country
>>767321437
did you have a stroke halfway through that post?
>>767319167
>higher murder rate than the UK per capita
>bounty on the Monk worth more captured alive so his rivals can torture him
>>767320213
>Baby over a year old. Can't wait a few more years to see if the condition changes?
Brain deaddoesn't mean "can be healed with mommies kisses, mate, it means only being able to do the most basic of functions, breathing, digesting food and pumping blood.
>>767316643
who
gives
a
fuck
>>767321850
and shitting
>>767321762
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
> United Kingdom 0.92
> Ireland 0.64
>inb4 (((wikipedia)))
>>767322038
My source was from the BBC. Wikipedia is a shitty source. Top editors get paid to write favorable articles.
>>767322274
>still doesn't link his source
wew lad
>>767322305
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43628494
