Jungian mystic here. I occasionally create these threads when my intuition tells me it's time. I will answer questions about the Deep Mysteries, methods for accessing the inner sea, and how to avoid the fnords set to trap those who have awakened.
There is high enough signal to noise ratio in here that I can reveal these secrets without attracting too much unwanted attention, and the sleepers will just assume I'm LARPing. Those of you with eyes to see will know the value of what I'm offering.
>>754461647
What should I do next?
>>754461770
I'm not the one you need to ask. Which paradigms have you been using? You should have either a dream guide or a spirit guide, a manifestation of your own unconscious selves, and that's to whom your question needs to be directed. I can help with that if you aren't already familiar with the proper shamanic traditions for doing so.
>>754461647
How do i tell her that i like her as more than a friend?
>>754461647
What do you think of the I Ching?
>>754461647
Why can't anybody who says things like you do perform a tangible demonstration to prove that they know something genuine that I don't?
I'm a schizophrenic who has done too much acid just like you, but I'm lucid enough to know that I'm full of shit. I won't believe anything until I see real changes occur in this world. The only superpower I have is to be extremely confused and afraid beyond what I ever previously thought possible, but even that does not move me.
>>754461944
You already know the answer. You're only looking for someone to justify and rationalize what you've already understood about the dynamics of your relationship.
But you really shouldn't be participating in this thread, since you don't know what the Deep Mysteries are. This is a dangerous place for those who are either not awake or not sufficiently awakened to be able to protect themselves from the powers and principalities.
>>754461647
Can you tell me anything specific about myself, or are you 110% about vague positive generalisations?
Is it ok if my spirit guide is satan?
>>754462073
The I Ching, tarot, astrology, bibliomancy, and all the other methods of scrying and fortune telling all rely on the psychological phenomenon of apophenia. Apophenia is the tendency for the human brain to find patterns in media where there are no intrinsic patterns. This is the result of the unconscious projecting itself, which is what makes this useful. Methods like I Ching are useless for telling the future, but very, very good at digging below the surface to figure out what's really going on under the level of your conscious awareness.
>>754462432
science bitch
>>754461647
When and How will the next war like WW3 or a US civil war start.
>>754462079
The Deep Mysteries are not about the supernatural. Everything I'm discussing and will be discussing is about psychology. Mysticism is about hacking the human mind, reprogramming it to achieve altered levels of consciousness by making the barrier between our conscious and unconscious identities more porous.
As a schizophrenic you have some advantages over most people, as you stand with one foot in the representational world of the surface and one foot through the looking glass into the archetypal inner sea of symbol, where reality is created.
>>754461647
Fuck off to >>>/x/
>>754462718
Back to your trap thread.
>>754462216
Me? No, I can't tell you anything about yourself. If we were in the same room I would be able to use reflection (or cold reading) to bounce back at you all the unconscious things you're revealing to me through the gestalt of your eye movements, word choices, and body language, but I can't do it online.
What I *can* do is teach you how to question your own unconscious selves to receive the answers you need about yourself, provided you are sufficiently awakened to be capable of creating the meta-narratives necessary for hacking your own brain.
>>754461647
I've already had a number of jungian-esque dreams. Something to do with the anima or whatever it's called
When was it you realized you had downs syndrome?
>>754462849
i have trouble descerning the differences between the emotional response of my mind and the solutions to those issues. its like a big smear of emotional pain.
>>754462292
The Shadow, of which Satan is one of the more popular manifestations, is a special and particularly powerful archetype. Channelling archetypes is always potentially dangerous, and picking a vast and wise and powerful entity like Satan carries considerably more risk of losing your identity within it. Jung, for example, believed that Hitler manifested the Shadow so strongly that he became in essence a demi-god, speaking to people with their own inner voices of the Shadow. But he paid a terrible price, losing his identity and sanity within the Shadow.
I have more than 20 years of experience as a mystic, and while I have talked to quite a few demons, I have never sought to call up Satan.
Based on your viewer perspective what can you tell us?
>>754462597
It's already started. The story-cycle of the Hero is ending. We're living through Ragnarok, the start of the Kali-Yuga, as our species descends into madness and confusion to prepare for a new story-cycle which is capable of sustaining the sort of narratives necessary for our advanced civilization. The narratives sufficient for maintaining a proto-city like Ur were never going to be enough for our megalopolises. We're reinventing ourselves at this very moment. It's an exciting time to be alive.
What can I do to get S? Or is fate cursed to keep us apart?
What if we reject it and want something purer?
>>754462718
Why? I'm not discussing the supernatural. Everything I'm discussing is a form of applied psychology. You are probably confused about what mysticism actually is.
In the Aristotlian model, there are three ways of obtaining knowledge: empiricism, rationalism, and revelation. The application of pure empiricism is science, the application of pure rationalism is philosophy, and the application of pure revelation is mysticism. Mysticism, then, refers to the use of unconscious, non-observational cognitive processes for understanding and interpreting knowledge. Hunches, intuition, dreams, imagination, they're all mysticism. Nothing supernatural involved.
>>754462637
It will be a tragic day when I have both feet in that latter place, when I have finally broken fully through the electric dog fencing. I will deal back one hundred fold as much suffering as I've received. Every consciousness that has taken part in the assault against me will be cut off and destroyed indefinitely. I am not fooled, and I am not listening.
>>754463007
The Anima is a good choice for a dream guide, and in fact she is my dream guide (in the form of Christina Applegate, whom my unconscious apparently regards as a goddess and the perfect female form). It's through the Anima that we access the spiritual and emotional, so gaining her assistance is a good way of helping make the transition from conscious to unconscious easier.
>>754461647
how can i directly/willingly access the collective consciousness?
>>754463114
Don't be afraid of pain. If you have no better coin, you can purchase understanding through suffering. There are paths which don't involve pain, but there is nothing wrong with the path which leads through despair. In fact, that was the path of the Gautama Buddha.
Stop thinking of pain as something to avoid, something to look away from, and I think you may be surprised at how your pain can be leveraged to provide deeper penetration of the Deep Mysteries.
oh. I misunderstood your post.
How can I combat my anxiety and fear of interaction in public situations?
>>754463764
She always leads the dream almlst like it's her's and I'm just along for the ride. Last time I saw her in a dream she led me through a massive space station that altered it's interior to make your own personal reality, then to some pristine valley covered in small ponds that she said were portals to all realities. It was a fucking weird dream
How do we stop dimensional drifting?
>>754463144
I could tell you all sorts of things, but those who already understand don't need it, while those who don't understand won't be capable of grasping it. To quote the Zen master D.T. Suzuki, "To point at the moon a finger is needed, but woe to those who take the finger for the moon."
Don't look at me, look at where I'm pointing.
Please don't go in depth
>>754463419
The interesting thing is we become the price paid for what we've taken. What you're asking me is how to take without paying, and that's just not the way this reality works. There are things which offer themselves to us, because it's part of our golden path, and these things we can accept without cost. Everything else we are free to take by the worlk of our own hands and minds, but we always exchange pieces of our own identity for it.
when is suicide beneficial
>>754461647
I’m not usually in this board, this is a neat coincidence. What’re some books that a neophyte should read, even if it’s just for fun. Thanks!
Why does all of humanity share the same inability to understand monsters, and continually blame monsters for being monsters? Do they just lack imagination?
>>754463522
In decades of diving, I have never found a bottom to the inner sea. As far as I can tell, there is no bottom. But perhaps that's not the right paradigm for you, since what you seem to be seeking is Oneness, unity with the Godhead, which is usually what people mean when they refer to purity. In your case, you're seeking kether, the highest sephiroth on the tree. You may find Kabala useful as a paradigm.
>>754461647
Ive talked to myself in lucid dreams. Its pretty trippy.
How do you feel about lucid dreams?
Why does that symbol look like an alchemy sign?
What is this mysticism and how does one go about beginning his involvement?
>>754461647
How do I avoid the fnords?
>>754463641
Like Odin at Mimmisbrunnr, we leave pieces of ourselves at every step on the journey to that other place. By the time you'll have reached a place where your leverage is enough to cause the kind of harm you're talking about, you will have sloughed off enough of your conscious sense of identity that you won't want or need to.
how to get acostumed with meditation
i just keep fucking switching positions, and btw wtf is that seal about?
>>754461647
What do when your personality is split. Should you be good and love or harness hate in order to try to control it? If situational, how do you know?
so nothing about lucid dreaming huh? weird thats when I actually learn about myself. well that and getting super stoned, but that sometimes leads to panic attacks, so no thanks.
>>754462432
>>754462637
why would you want to do any of that if it doesn't help you get laid or rich?
>>754463891
Short answer is, you can't. The irony is that the conscious desire to break into the unconscious prevents you from doing so. The harder you push, the more exponentially hard it pushes back. You have to learn how to let go, how to empty your cup. There are chemical ways of achieving ego death, such as salvia divinorum, but natural is best until you've developed the discipline to handle it. (If you want to see what it looks like when people achieve ego death without proper spiritual discipline, do a YouTube search for "salvia freakouts".)
>>754465457
>taking drugs to expand mind or consciousness
phony
>>754464002
Change the way you think. Notice the language you use: "combat." The fear and anxiety is a part of you, and trying to "combat" it is going to war with your own unconscious selves. Instead of thinking of the fear and anxiety as enemies to defeat, spend some time asking your selves why they feel afraid and anxious. My experience is that when these entities are approached with patience and kindness, they are much less apt to take demonic forms. If you've spent a lot of time at war with your selves, they may be mistrustful of you at this point and it may require time to develop a proper relationship with them. If you're sincere and willing to negotiate, it's possible to find compromise which leaves the entire committee of you satisfied.
>>754465457
thank you :)
>>754465831
You're welcome. Once you dumb yourself down on drugs, you can more easily convince yourself of anything. Then before you know it you're a junky and sucking dicks for drugs. That one will really kill your ego.
>>754464061
It sounds like you're doing productive work. You should try exploring. Jung discovered the collective unconscious by going down into the basement of a dream house which he recognized as his own mind and realizing that there was a trap door to a still deeper sub-level beneath the basement.
>>754464097
I'm... not sure what you mean. Can you explain it?
>>754464614
Lucid dreams are for losers who can't cope with reality. Get a job and stop sucking at life.
>>754463571
I got into mysticism so I could use ghost ectoplasm as masturbation lubrication.
>>754464843
Fine. All I need is to be comfortable. No more tests, no more games, no more terror and pain, no more anything. I'd rather stop existing entirely. If I'm forced to exist under the circumstances that appear to be at this time, then I will lash out in every hideous conceivable way that I can. I will fill the Earth with more suffering than any human has ever brought forth in history. I will pour cement into my ears, eyes, and mouth, and will become as useless to reason with as an earthquake. If there is truly anyone like "Yahweh" out there, I will scatter his bloody remains throughout the nightmares of every miserable soul there is.
>>754464297
Don't worry, I do this here from time to time and it's been relatively safe so far. See, /b/ has always been one of those places where the unconscious comes close to the surface, which draws wakers. But it also has a significant amount of white noise, which helps to disguise true teachings from the powers and principalities who don't appreciate their secrets being spilled.
What do you think about our society?
>>754464581
You should really start with some psychology. Start with the Oedipus and Electra complex. Most mystics don't seem to understand the root of their behavior stems from wanting to have sex with their parent figures.
Posting in /b/.. Thuper enlightened.
>>754464440
Depends what you mean by suicide. Ego death is something which becomes increasingly necessary for achieving the deeper levels of the inner sea, but as you achieve mastery it becomes more natural and less frightening as a matter of course. You needn't rush the process. There is as much time as you require.
>>754461647
Is psychokinesis obtainable? and is ESP a collective figment of the human mind?
>>754466076
damn. how did you know my life's story lol. Are you psychic?
>>754461647
The cucumber I use to fuck my ass got stuck, and my parents will be home any minute? What should I do?
>>754466480
No. I use to be into lucid dreaming.
>>754466343
Thanks dude, have a happy new year
>>754464581
It really does depend on which paradigms speak to you personally. I could (and will) give you a list of books which I found helpful, but there's no guarantee they'll help you. Try to find models which align closely to the visualizations you make of your own inner world, as this will help you in creating the meta-narratives necessary for reprogramming your mind.
As promised, here's the books I have personally found most insightful and helpful:
- Tao Te Ching, by Lao Tzu
- Dhamma Pada, by Gautama Buddha
- Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, by Julian Jaynes
- The Emperor's New Mind, by Sir Roger Penrose
- Illusions, by Richard Bach
- Man and his Symbols, by Carl Jung
- Interpretation of Dreams, by Sigmund Freud
- Hero with a Thousand Faces, by Joseph Campbell
- The Fourth Way, by P.D. Ouspensky
>>754466507
Just roll with it. If they ask you why you're not wearing any pants, turn around bend over grab your knees so they can see your face between your legs with the cucumber sticking out and ask them if they want any salad.
>>754464604
Yes. Imagination is dangerous to the powers and principalities, as it's antithetical to the material world over which they have authority. It's why so much of the world is given over to things and activities and media which supplant imagination.
A few years ago I was reading an IMDB message board and saw a posting by someone saying, "Wouldn't it be cool if you could keep the ability to shoot movies in your head like when you were a kid?" and a whole bunch of people replied, saying yes, it would be like having your own personal Holodeck.
I was confused for a bit and then, with dawning horror and crawling skin, I realized they were talking about imagination. These were people with no imagination. They no longer had the ability to create images in their head, and -- worse and more horrifying -- they thought it was completely normal and natural to lose the ability to imagine as one gets older.
Are women completely incapable of empathy or is that just my paranoid delusion?
>>754467164
>he thinks there is a conspiracy to make people less imaginative
>>754464614
I do much of my work in lucid dreams. They're probably the most efficient way of visualizing the internal geography of your mind, and certainly the safest way to encounter demons and demi-gods and other entities from the collective unconscious, since there are built-in processes for clearing them away upon waking. Manifesting archetypes while awake and conscious requires a very solid sense of self, and some pretty advanced shamanic techniques for dismissing what you've called up.
>>754467285
That's a paranoid delusion. Many of them can and do feel empathy. They simply chose not to really have a lot for you. Have you tried to stop being poor and ugly? Because that could go a long way towards solving your problems without having to get into psychology about why you're unlikable.
>>754467398
>>754464633
See: >>754463571
But the good news is, the desire to wake is the first step to actually waking. Concentrate first on seeing the bars of the cage around you. The powers and principalities have made you the jailor of your own prison. The door is locked from the inside and you are free to leave at any time, but until you can see the cage, you won't have any capacity to leave it.
How do you ignite imagination or is it unwanted by people oppressed and nothing but fond memories.
listen here you little shit,
all of what you are proudly calling psychology is based on erroneous thinking. By poetically introducing the unconscious as the source of content for the will, you neglect the objective purposes of the subject. The unconscious (beside the medical state called coma and the like) is a wrong concept: it contains a contradiction due to its inner necessity to remember something while not remembering it. Just start to think straight guys.. there's nothing mysterious about the world, just explain it properly. Cheers
>>754467164
I believe that the only reason I've retained such abilities is because I have avoided human contact throughout my entire adulthood. I think most of the population has been claimed by some kind of disease, for lack of a better description. I have remained entirely without relationships of any kind from the moment I graduated highschool over nine years ago. I don't even use social media. I am an urban hermit who is coldly polite with what few coworkers I must occasionally rub shoulders with, but otherwise avoid people as though they were vampires. I feel I have a unique vantage point in watching the world go insane. I can truthfully say that I do not have a single political opinion whatsoever.
Hodge podge
>>754464707
Pay close attention to how people are reacting to things. People have been conditioned from the day they're born not to see fnords. The fnords are there to act as an alarm system for the powers and principalities so that they can spot people on whom the conditioning has failed to take. When you see something clearly which no one else does, stop talking about it, stop trying to convince others of its existence and importance; odds are you've spotted a fnord and are in grave danger. If you keep pointing out the fnords, you will be drugged, imprisoned, attacked, or even killed.
>>754467594
Mostly it's psuedo-science. Hook them in with some fancy sounding stuff, and throw in a little gibberish when you can't fake anything reasonable anymore, then try to round it back off with some more psuedo-science. Often throwing in a reference to a science or religious concept helps quite a bit because then people have to go look up what that is.
>>754467753
Is that REALLY why you think you're an incel?
I tried to convince my boyfriend not to kill himself. He tried hanging himself. He just told me to go away and leave him alone. Wouldn't talk. Pretty sure he hates me. I told one of his close friends what was going on. Luckly, friend came over, calmed him down. Talked to boyfriend a little afterwards. BF not happy I revealed to someone else what was going on. How do you get someone who hates you to value your opinion, after years of the relationship battering itself until it gets to this point that what I say doesn't matter anymore?
>>754467433
I would sooner just kill women rather than change myself in order to appease them. There would be far more dignity in that. I don't think they can appreciate this until it is too late. They seem to think that they can wield this strange sort of psychological totalitarian control over the world without resistance or consequences. They have forgotten what people like me really are inside and what we are capable of, maybe because much of the world is too safe now.
What if there's a medical reason?
>>754467960
I'm not an incel. My celibacy is quite voluntary. I've never wanted a girlfriend in my entire life.
>>754464854
First, before meditation you need to do a spiritual palate cleansing. There are different ways of doing this, like the middle pillar or LBRP, but the easiest and simplest method is stillness. Stillness involves just being bored. Go into a room with no distractions: no window, no clock, no watch, no phone, no television, nothing interesting to look at. And just sit. As long as you can stand it. At first you'll have trouble doing even two or three minutes, but as you keep practising, the time you can be still will gradually increase. I can do as much as six to eight hours, and meditation masters can do 24 hours or more.
You may also find it useful to get formal training from a roshi (a teaching master). Most major urban areas have at least one meditation centre which can teach you proper technique for meditation. If money is an issue, most roshis will not turn anyone way for lack of funds, and will instead accept a respect offering of something like a bowl of oranges.
>>754468042
lol dignity is that what you call your delusions?
>>754467753
you not having a political opinion means: you IGNORE what is enforced upon you, the laws, by police and the like - and you talk about it as if it is an achievement while it only is ignorance. However, you seem to find value in not caring about what is truly happening, you passive puppy
>>754464896
The sense of "I" is an illusion. You are a committee of selves, many of which emerge and then sink back down over the course of a day. Everyone is a "split personality" in the sense you mean. There are parts of you which are gentle and kind, and parts which are mean and hateful. This is as it should be. The key is to try to find ways of allowing all parts of yourself to sit at the table. You'll find that even the most vicious and angry parts of yourself become much less hostile when they're acknowledged and allowed to participate openly in the dialogue of your identity.
wow I have never read such a load of complete bullshit in my life congrats OP, whats it like to be schizo?
And standing up while sleeping
>>754465802
If you reread what I wrote, you'll find that I refer to drugs as a shamanic tool, and that before even considering their use a person should be capable of reaching that level of altered consciousness without them. The drugs are just a short-cut to a specific altered state which may take hours or days of fasting, sweatlodging, or meditation to achieve otherwise. A shaman which is responsible for the spiritual health of a whole community may not have the time to spend.
>>754468253
When people say things like "your personality is why women don't like you", they imply that women are in charge of deciding who's personality is "right" and who's is not. I reject that dynamic. I do not recognize women as having any such authority. A man does not need to change to please women, women need to change so that men don't enslave and kill them. This is the truth, and the world will be reminded of this in the near future.
>>754468114
You ever noticed how crazy people tend to like psychology? It's because they want an answer to what's so different about themself. Although if you've read half the shit you've claimed it's rather funny you ignored everything in them and still lie to protect your ego over small inconsequential things.
When was the last time you were in the looney bin?
>>754468672
>it's cool he's just too busy for you because you're not important
>go delude yourself into a a quasi spiritual experience
>>754468414
just wrong. Yeah, you can think of yourself as divided into many selves; however, when wandering earth, you act as a UNITY. The division into gentle/mean parts is FICTION: it's always you who is either gentle or mean - you are not a composition of selves that represent some form of emotion toward the world. you are permanently feeling, as that I, to whom you refer to as the unity of your body and the conscious processes. Even further, the division of you into a body and a mind is -artificial-: the original is the undivided and only the mind, when reflecting and analyzing what I is, may divide...
>>754468672
Okay thats just functional bullshit, meditation is surely powerful but there is no way you can compel yourself into some of these specific mindsets that some of these chemicals produce. Life isn't a lucid dream at your beck and will.
But will leo ever get the riches he desires?
>>754468326
Of course I don't care what is happening. None of it matters. My own struggles in life are not reflected in any popular dialogue. Rape victims, refugees, homeless people, cancer patients, you name it and the person has a news article about him every day. I don't have that. In the rare instances when anyone says anything about someone like me, it is always something negative and dismissive. Because the world does not care about me, I in turn do not care about it.
>>754468675
lol
You sound like one of those sovereign citizen faggots. You ignore every individual has their own opinion while being convinced yours is more important. Guess what, if your opinion was so important why do you have so much conflict with everyone else?
>>754468976
the concept of deserving something is ideologically contaminated. "You don't deserve this" implies a moral judgement: "You are not a good enough person for being allowed to make use of this". However, "good enough person" is a taste-based judgement for it cannot be deduced and therefore, never objective.
>>754466199
It's only the surface which is covered in misery and horror. It's easy to see that you made the mistake of telling people about the fnords, and now they've "treated" you to "fix" you in an attempt to put you back to sleep. You need to learn how to dive deep, where the powers and principalities of the surface hold little authority.
The Gautama Buddha said that a Buddha cannot be harmed, and by that he didn't mean bullets bounce off a Buddha's chest like Superman, but that to a Buddha all sensations are unique and equal. A kiss on the cheek means the same as a knife to the belly for a Buddha. This level of dispassion can only be achieved by diving so deep that the entire self is stripped away. The Buddhists refer to this as "satori." And you may find it comforting to know that meditating masters who achieve satori often burst out into laughter which they can't explain. Apparently, down there in the depths of the inner sea, there's something very funny waiting for you.
>>754465992
What can I do to encourage these kinds of dreams? Haven't had one in a while and could really use the clarity they seem to bring...
>>754468691
I didn't lie about anything. Even when I was a horny and idealistic teenager, the idea of having a relationship was too alien and uncomfortable for me to grasp or weave into my fantasies about the future. I always just figured that I would relieve myself with prostitutes as needed, and this has worked out roughly as planned. I'm being 100% honest when I say that I have never wanted a girlfriend.
...what the hell is any of this?
>>754466849
>Illusions, by Richard Bach
The idea of manifesting (is that the right word?) fascinates me. I remember reading this book and the blue feather stuck with me. It worked.
I was wondering about your thoughts on this phenomenon. Real or fake? If you believe it to be real, what's the process(for lack of a better word) that leads the blue feather from mind to Earth?
>when your so woke you gotta wake up 4chan post by post but actually your just off your meds
>>754469089
My opinion is only more important to me, subjectively. I don't care about anyone else's opinion because I can't afford to. It's like we are all stranded on an island with a very limited food supply. I just need to win. It has nothing to do with being right or being superior to anyone else.
>>754467567
Thanks for taking the time to respond. This is a very intriguing first step to take. But it's not one that I can just fully realize over night. In fact, I have been quite interested in the whole idea of what you call the mystic way of self discovery and fulfillment. But I've always found it rather difficult to take the first steps and be guided through my journey. Is there a guiding community or maybe literature that I can utilize to get myself headed in the right direction?
>>754466251
There was a time when the various phases of life were separated by meaningful, spiritual rituals, such as walkabouts and elder councils. In the absence of these rituals, we have become permanent spiritual children, never seeking for deeper and more meaningful truths. Our culture has become a kindergarten designed to keep people small, squalid, and shallow. To quote Martin Luther King Jr., "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."
>>754469005
It's extremely strange and deluded to decouple your being from what is going on in the world. It does matter: the way you get your food, housing and everything else you desire is determined by political force. that you have to work as a wage slave in the fashion you are... is determined by political force. The reason for why it is ignorant is not that you ignore the desires of everyone else but it is ignorant for the fact that you seem to think that all the political regulations don't affect you. They pretty much determine what you do most of the time
>>754469310
>using prostitutes
Way bigger loser than I imagined. Not even fun anymore. Absolutely pathetic.
>>754461647
You ever think maybe you're just pretentious?
>>754466462
Yes and no. I suspect the answer won't make much sense to you without first understanding on a visceral level the difference between representation and archetypal reality.
>>754461647
>my intuition tells me to post on a chinese comic book website
>>754469424
I see. It's quite clear what your problem is. A lot of people have this. I believe the technical medical terminology is "You're an idiot"
What answers are you looking for on?
*op
all of my wut
>>754461647
Thats great and all, but how do I know you're not just shitposting or another quack in a People's Temple wannabe? Where's the proof? Can you, for example, identify which post I made or do anything to convince me?
>inb4 "you have to believe it to see it"
>inb4 "aint gon see it if you aint woke"
>>754469202
"Telling people about the fnords" sounds like my earlier years of pathetically grasping on web forums trying, in vain, to find anyone who I could relate to. I gave that up some time ago after a bout of intense paranoia that almost ruined my life again. I don't speak to people or use social media at all, except for the odd 4chan post such as this one. I pretend to believe whatever is politically correct, and show people what they want to see. I don't need sympathy from anyone anymore.
>>754469614
And you may as well be a bot.
>>754467285
Why don't you ask your Anima and see for yourself? Every man contains an Anima, the female-in-the-male, just as every woman contains an Animus, the male-in-the-female. There is a woman inside you, watching out from your eyes this very second, and there are ways of communicating with her.
>>754469842
>I don't need sympathy from anyone anymore.
yet your here posting...
>>754469473
I feel I can adapt to any political landscape I find myself in. I certainly can't change it. One vote means nothing, and I cannot mentally identify with any group or movement. I blend in and take anything I can get my hands on. If there's a war coming, I'm sure I'll manage.
>>754469921
what the fuck is this shit. If at all, ever, I am inside a woman...
>>754467594
Like I've said, the cages are made for us on the day of our birth, but they lock from the *inside*. The jailor keeping people inside are themselves. It makes for a very efficient prison from the perspective of the powers and principalities, but it has the glaring weakness that anyone can choose to leave at any time. It's why the powers and principalities spend so much time and effort salting the world with fnords and watching for those who have left their cages.
>>754469546
If this is being a loser, then it's not so bad.
>>754469921
its okay if your bi dude dont force it on everyone else though smh
>>754469941
So what? I don't expect a single person to understand or give a shit about me. I used to write all kinds of bullshit walls of text on reddit and whatnot. I wouldn't waste 2 minutes doing that now, but the occasional shitpost on 4chan is not unhealthy in my opinion.
>>754470076
Sure, pretty much all people (can) adapt to the "political landscape". Currently, this means to spend most of your life-time to produce profit for some entrepreneur and regenerate yourself afterwards to be able to continue to produce profit. If you don't mind to have your life determined by the politically enforced and guarded economic system, go back to sleep
>>754467753
Don't worry, loneliness and isolation is the natural state for one who wakes. Every waker whom you will ever encounter will tell you of the same experience. But that loneliness willl only last until you're able to dive deep enough to begin meeting your other selves and, below that, the vast and wise entities which swim through the collective unconscious. And below that are still vaster, more nebulous, more primal proto-entities which predate humanity itself and belong to more terrifyingly Universal forces.
>>754469909
You're a weak person.
>>754470313
lmao
>>754470161
There you go, lying to yourself again.
>>754461647
Singles say jungle /b/tard is bullshitting everything
>>754470444
dem trips
a broken clock is right twice a day
>>754470444
BTFO
>>754470342
you believe that shit nigga? might as well be taken from some 1$ science fiction novel you can buy at gas stations in nevada
>>754469842
This sounds depressingly quite a lot like myself a few years ago.
>>754468006
You don't "get" someone to do anything. We all follow our own paths, and some paths are darker and more painful than others. What you can do is teach through example by being a thoughtful, attentive listener, learning to hear what he's really saying on *all* levels and not just the level of conscious communication, and doing so without judgement or desire to change him.
How do I escape this illusion
>>754470570
meditate faggot its your illusion u dingus
>>754470570
You don't. The world is the only thing that's real. You're mind is the illusion.
when will i get a gf op? read my future oh mystical one
>>754470331
There's nothing I can do about it other than cut as many corners as possible and carve out a comfortable nook for myself. I already get paid a decent wage to do virtually nothing, and I can't say I'm not proud of that. I'm far better off than most people in the world. Once they sniff me out, or come to burn whatever demographic I belong to, I'll just shed my disguise and make a new one. Things could always be better, but I'm genuinely satisfied with my life.
>>754462849
So you can use awareness face-to-face analysis to make guesses?
Cool also btw, I already know what i would be revealing to you, in fact, one might say I would throw the signs you to use to read me so you would read falsely.
>>754470656
The mind is real as well for it is part of the world and caused by it. The content of the mind is the product of thinking. Thinking is logically operating on thoughts. Thoughts are judgements which are derived from perceptions. They can be right and they can be wrong. A conclusion can be correct or not. The illusion merely is a wrong thought/conclusion that is (perhaps unknowingly) taken to be correct.
>>754468691
You know, it's generally believed today that Carl Jung was a self-treating schizophrenic. He often took long walks in the woods with his Shadow manifested as a demon, which whom he would discuss his psychological model. And his wife talks about a time when Jung was becoming increasingly erratic and paranoid, eventually taking to sleeping with a gun under his pillow. One night she woke to find him missing and feared the worst. She found him naked, outside, playing in the mud with stones and bits of stick. She thought he had lost his marbles, but he had in fact just discovered art therapy. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
>>754470378
Indeed I am. I'm aware of it though. It just means I have to do things a certain way.
>>754461647
You're probably gone by now but,
Why was that dream I had last night so profoundly powerful and mind altering? Why was I so drawn to that place?
>>754461647
i believe its me who you are looking for
discord gg/yKKpcs
>>754470796
why are you proud of THAT? you are forced to waste your life away for somebody elses profit interests. Being "compensated" for selling your life-time in which you have NOT done, what you want to do in terms of a "decent wage" is not giving you your life back; nothing to be proud of here.. but why be proud at all?
>>754470567
I don't want him to change. And I've truly listened more and more each time. At one point when I though I was listening, and doing things better the way he wanted, I'd listen again during another time of his distress and anger and realize there was still something I must have missed. He said he doesn't care what I say now, or want to talk because he's already talked so much. It's like we've both reached a brick wall. Mine is realizing there's a different way of listening each time I listen. And when I thought I was doing something the way he desired it turns out I was still wrong. He says there no point in talking to me or any of the other dummies he's forced to share life with. Truth be told, I can be a bit of a dolt, its true, but I still care about him. He does not think so. How can I lead by example now, that it's gotten this far?
>>754463126
Are you scared of him, mystic anon? The archetypes I've manifested within myself have foretold me of the graveyard within myself, but it aches my conscious mind to worry too much about the weaker visions of my fleeting ideals from childhood. Instead I've paid a heavy price to Buer for my gift of knowledge. Though I don't regret it, I'm afraid of what comes next in my enlightenment. Is it possible I may adopt a persona too powerful for myself, or is that my innate fear of power creating bias in my soul? I crave the power of God, and my journey to capture it's essence has invited His son into my band. Sadly, he rarely stays long due to my hedonistic nature. Recently I've realized that past trauma has created a scared beast within myself. How do I heal said beast? It's crying is threatening to be a major problem for all of us in here in.
>>754470905
You take things too literally. Why wouldn't you sleep with a gun nearby unless you're poor.
Shit if a guy wants to go outside and play I don't see why anyone would find that weird. You're a grown up you can do that shit any time you want.
Let's get naked and throw paint at each other
>>754470918
>do things a certain way
Doing things isn't your business. You just complain like a woman.
>>754470403
You're not helpful or interesting.
>>754471075
>The archetypes I've manifested within myself have foretold me of the graveyard within myself
nigga u psychotic get some valium or something
>>754468900
Psychoactive drugs work because they mimic chemicals which are already present in the brain. Through the use of meditation, biofeedback, and discipline, it's entirely possible to get the body to manufacture these substances.
In fact, this is one of the most promising fields of medical research currently being investigated. It's been known for some time that placebo and nocebo have more than just mental effects; heroin addicts given syringes of saline, for example, experience the effects of opiates through suggestion -- and have opiate breakdown products in their blood, meaning they manufactured it themselves internally. I give you my personal assurance from my own experiences that it's entirely possible to drug yourself entirely through thinking. All those serene monks you see sitting quietly for hours? They're stoned out of their gourds on their own brain chemistry.
>>754461647
Why am I suffering, what did I do to deserve my fate?
>>754471134
That's ridiculous. You don't know me or anything about my life.
>>754470132
Panopticon?
>>754469348
A shaman attempting to usher us into an understanding of the ethereal plane that lies between our subconscious and our conscious minds. Don't research it, feel it. Then research it and feel it again.
>>754469289
You're still having them, you're just not remembering them. If you want to retain the memory of them, you have to reprogram your brain to change the way it treats dream memory. You do this through repetition. Start keeping a pad of paper and a pen by your bed and the INSTANT you wake you, begin scribbling down as many dreams as you can remember. Dreams are kept in short-term memory in the brain, which gets erased after 15 minutes or so. By writing them down, you begin forcing the brain to move them to more long-term storage. When this process becomes so automatic that you no longer need to think consciously about writing them down and it just happens naturally when you wake, your brain will start storing more and more of the dreams in the accessible part of your memories.
>>754461647
I stand in front of a gate.
behind me is a cliff with infinity below.
In front of me and through the gate is another cliff with infinity below.
How do I fly?
>>754471200
>Psychoactive drugs work because they mimic chemicals which are already present in the brain.
thats not really the case at all, drugs aren't working to mimic existing chemicals they very much have their own specific unique function in the brain devoid of existing chemicals even if they are not a natural part of the body. you are completely missing the point, do you obfuscate reality on purpose or just to interlude into your internal beliefs for your own psyches sake? You absolutely cannot replicate an experience on a chemical substance truly without said substance. You can get close and have it have the same meaning but truly it is not the same experience placebo or no. Stop talking out of your ass.
>>754469416
Meds are for those who are afraid of yourself. Don't be a delusional fool. Big pharma is just getting rich off of creating a drug-addicted generation of snowflakes too afraid to face themselves, their reality, and understanding that their reality is merely a false glass pane through which they perceive this corporeal world
>>754471459
>big pharma
oh please you paranoid moron
The chaos of order resides upon the crest of knowledge, I know this but the world remains ignorant... Do I continue my path or assimilate?
>>754470905
Points for Hamlet quote, anon
>>754470570
Never give up. Never forgot the truths of yourself. Accept the aid of others and adopt the personas you believe are worthy of praise and mimicry. Become a more complete human by accepting your humanity, and then rejecting it. Because in essence, what does it mean to be human?
>>754471044
Because I'm not living in a pile of my own shit or downing pills to try and kill myself like so many others are.
And like I said, there is nothing else I can do. I don't believe in attempting to make any change that I cannot accomplish by myself and have complete control over. Political goals are only achieved when many people pursue them over a long period of time. A selfish person like me has nothing to gain from getting involved with that nonsense. I do nothing unless I am certain that my personal efforts are meaningful and that I will live to see them pay off.
>>754461647
The Tao that can be named is not the Tao.
>>754469399
It's real, but it's a party trick. It's useful only in the sense that it opens the door to more spiritually advanced activities. Manifesting physical things is the domain of the powers and principalities who have authority over the surface of the world. Those who wake and who get a taste of the Deep Mysteries will be visited by the Goetic forces and taken to the high place, where they will offer you the world laid out at your feet. If you accept, you will begin the process of having your humanity stripped away and manifesting the demonic forces which rule the world.
Don't settle for trinkets which can be pulled out of the air in infinite quantities by anyone with the smallest amount of spiritual power. Dive deeper for the real riches.
Good night /b/ros, stay woke.
>>754471656
/thread
>>754471146
Do you think you ever make your parents cry when they think about you? You know a few pills from a certified head shrink and they'd probably get you sorted out.
>>754461647
Why are you mixing up Jungian psychology with Discordianism?
Dada is not dead. Watch your overcoat!
Exactly what do we need to be awake for? Humans expect what there taught and forced to accept. And sometimes that might be things that other people don't want them to do at that time before they figure out things for themselves and decisions are made on morals so people remain innocent and even more outlandish attrocities could happen
>>754471454
I've mimic'd what ive considered LSD and THC(minus tear duct dryness) trips through silencing my thoughts while sober.
>>754471270
You're not very smart. You're weak. It's really not complicated to figure you out. You're practically transparent.
>>754471622
so you're proud of not living in a pile of shit? What an accomplishment! Others being more miserable than you don't take away your misery.
You're a slave that does not want to free himself because you can't do it on your own. It's strange that you call yourself selfish while you give away most of your life for the profit interests for someone else. Yeah, you're selfish but you're not getting to do what you want because you're forced to do what you don't want. So proud!
>>754469464
The guide is already inside you. The Bible refers to it as "the still, small voice" of the Holy Spirit, but every spiritual path contains a similar guiding force, whether it's the Ataman or a familiar or a dream guide. The problem is the world has been deliberately designed to be noisy and distracting specifically to prevent people from hearing this voice.
If you want to hear that guidance, you're going to have to give up a lot of what passes for culture and community: cellphones, televisions, newspapers, sporting events, social media, and all the rest of the delicious bait which hides the nasty hook inside. Practice stillness, have patience, and *listen*.
>>754471730
Are you just saying all of this because you have some problem with men who see prostitutes or who have issues with women or relationships? What is your deal?
>>754470905
And? Does a label change the validity of shared beliefs spoken through a rusty horn? Music is music despite being created by a finite and flawed being. The labels we brand one another with are ONLY to be used for understanding, never to pass judgement. Many in the field of psychology forget that. We accepted our responsibility for the sake of our brothers. That we would not let the world continue on with it's hateful and ignorant ways. Those who do so are worse than swine: rolling around in the mud the claim they so loudly and hubristically claim to know.
>>754471871
There is nothing else I can do.
>>754471830
It's not even close to the totality of the same thing though, don't kid yourself, thats my entire point. I can meditate and envision myself as a king or something gay but that doesn't make it a shred close to reality. Its like the difference between watching a movie versus actually being there.
>>754471855
I am very smart. I've done exceptionally well on countless tests given to me in school and in the military. These are objective measures of intelligence.
>>754471515
Lol real talk with no jargon. If you're delusional enough to NOT realize you're under constant surveillance and being preyed upon mentally by your gov'ment and corporations, then you are a fool. As much as it pains me to hold out my hand for you, I will continue doing so. Because you are my brother, molded with the same flesh and with the same vision in mind as I was
>>754469838
"How do I know this is true? I look inside myself and see." -- Tao Te Ching
In other words, there's absolutely no reason you should accept anything I or anyone else has to say. What I have and continue to consistently say in this thread is for people to look inside, to experience immediately and for themselves the things I've talked about. The nature of mysticism is about personal experience. It can't be taught. I can teach people traditional shamanic and mystic rituals which have been useful for people in the past for exploring their inner selves, but what each person finds there is for them alone. I couldn't share my inner truths with you even if I wanted to, since they can't be told, only experienced.
>>754471982
I don't believe you've truly experienced the same drug or state of mind as me while on those drugs.
LSD (sometimes, with enough of it and in the right situation) helps break me out of a neverending day dream. Silences my thoughts and allows my attention to face reality. the opposite of what you have claimed.
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real OP?
>>754471972
There is. However, drowning yourself in the illusion of the unconscious will not reveal to you how to deal with the world accordingly for it is not looking at the world but an illusion.
what happens when you die?
>>754472180
face it meditating is not nearly the same as being on LSD, why wouldn't everyone just meditate if you could just will altered states of mind on command based on your own desires? Thats not how it works.
>>754472107
you are literally text book paranoid, drop the pretense of wanting to help you are just reinforcing your own egotistical wants. This shit has no place on 4chan if you were actually intending to help which you clearly were not.
>>754471149
Nah, I'm good fam.
>Like not feeling dead
>Enjoy being lucid enough to not be considered an invalid.
>Devolves pleasure from being human
>Already accepted my true nature
>Chose to lock it away and hide it with multiple personas
This is for your safety and my own. Besides, people accept me more this way. I'm popular, can live a semi-normal life adhering to social constructs, and it's helped me save multiple people through the empathy it's granted me.
>>754472186
I have secret little goals, and I can't focus on them unless I tune the world out completely and stop getting involved in it's bullshit. Make sense now? I don't even care if anything in the news is real. It's all irrelevant.
>>754472284
the altered state of mind induced by LSD is just that: induced by LSD, a substance that operates in a certain way within your body, in particular the nervous system by altering the neural processing of information. Similar effects on the nervous system might as well be achieved in different ways.
>>754470946
Dreams themselves are meaningless. Freud did some interesting experiments where he had people write down their dreams immediately upon waking, then 15 minutes later, than an hour later, and so on. And each time they wrote down the dream, details in it changed. So it's not the imagery of the dream itself which is important but your interpretation of it. Dreams act the same way tarot cards or the I Ching does, allowing you to project your unconscious processes onto them -- but with the added benefit that because the dreams are yours, the imagery is guaranteed to be archetypally specific to you.
>>754471656
this motherfucker knows
>>754471918
Have you really thought about how your ideology and behavior don't align? It's almost ironic how you believe in some hokey dokey about spiritualism while being a spiritually bankrupt person. If you were to align your behavior and what you say you'd notice they conflict to the point what you say is quite fraudulent. This isn't too unusual. If you're a crazy person. The screw doesn't fit all the way, has quite a lot of wiggle room.
>>754472425
do some research and pick a better fucking drug for yourself then, there is a wide variety of pharmaceuticals out there. Not all of them are simply the devil because you had a negative experience.
OP. Ive seen behind the veil, and get a dialectic interchange when I read your words. It was revealed to me that we are all connected st the source. Why does anything matter if we ALL return to the ALL anyways? The only hard part is functioning in the day to day fakeness when being real makes your head hurt being exposed to it. How do you deal with it?
>>754471982
What LSD does is allow your heart to control you instead of your mind.
chemically all it does is make your brain go into full neuroplastic mode. it makes it able to adapt fluidly like it is supposed to with
out traumatic conditioning.
you can mimic this by cancelling out your thoughts. humans arent supposed to be paying attention to their thought patterns. you arent supposed to hear a voice or see images in your head.
LSD helps free your attention from your thoughts, if you take advantage of this freedom you can move it semi-permanently to the outside reality.
there is no such thing as a positive thought. the only positive thoughts are thoughts that cancel out other thoughts if you havent noticed.
try it one day. even a minute of true silence in your mind will show you the gravity of what I am saying.
My boat has a hole in it, what do i do now?
>>754472585
>What LSD does is allow your heart to control you instead of your mind.
stopped reading there, you are functionally retarded do you know that? Stop talking in analogies life some acid burnout.
>>754471202
You know damn well what you did. The absurdity of asking that question at this time shows me you're in denial. Let go whatever beliefs of "normal" conventions you have and feel your soul's passion. Once you identify the problem, question why you believe it is a problem. What is a problem in your opinion? Why do you label your current ailment as a problem? Is it really a problem? Questioning along those lines will aid you in understanding yourself and hopefully the world a bit more. Because remember, every thought you've ever had, will have, or are having, has already been thought, will be thought, and is being thought currently. Stay safe!
>>754470992
I use IRC. You can find me on #Thanotica on DALnet IRC.
>>754461647
YOU MYSTICS WILL NOT CONTAIN ME, I WRITHE EVER MORE VIOLENTLY IN THE OPEN, MORE AND MORE MEN AND WOMEN ARE TURNING TO MY CAUSE.
SOON I SHALL ARISE FROM THE NATION, AND SET MYSELF UP AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE NORTH, MYSTIC OR NO, YOU WILL NOT STOP ME.
IN NOMINAE DEI NOSTRI LUCIFERI.
IN NOMINAE DEI NOSTRI IPOS.
>>754472019
Maybe you don't sound like a woman, would have thought so at first with so much complaining about your impudence. Seems more like you're a child.
>>754472468
If you need to tune the world out -completely- to focus on your "secret little goals", then focussing on the idea of the goals is the only thing you can do and if this activity (the mere focussing) is not identical with your goal, you should probably drop this...
Tuning out the world completely to do MORE than focussing is -impossible- because any activity that aims to alter the state of anything that is perceivable MUST be mediated by material interaction of which you'd be uncapable if you tune everything out that is material...
>>754471075
YOU, TURN YOUR EYES TO THE NORTH, FIND THE HIGH PRIEST OF IPOS, LEARN THE WAY OF THE ANCIENT INCANTATION.
THE BEAST AWAITS YOUR WORDS.
>>754472667
Shut the fuck up. I'm so tired of being disrespected on this goddamn website. All I wanted to do was post my opinion. MY OPINION. But no, you little bastards think it's "hilarious" to mock those with good opinions. My opinion. while not absolute, is definitely worth the respect to formulate an ACTUAL FUCKING RESPONSE AND NOT JUST A SHORT MEME OF A REPLY. I've been on this site for 6 months: 6 MONTHS and I have never felt this wronged. It boils me up that I could spend so much time thinking and putting effort into things while you shits sit around (probably jerking off to sylveon or whatever gay shit you like) and make fun of the intellectuals of this world. I've bored you? Good for fucking you. Literally no one cares that your little brain is to underdeveloped and rotted to comprehend my idea...MY GREAT GREAT IDEA. I could sit here all day whining, but I won't. I'm NOT a whiner. I'm a realist and an intellectual. I know when to call it quits and to leave the babybrains to themselves. I'm done with this goddamn site and you goddamn immature children. I have lived my life up until this point having to deal with memesters and idiots like you. I know how you work. I know that you all think you're "epik trolls" but you're not. You think you baited me? NAH. I've never taken any bait. This is my 100% real opinion divorced from anger. I'm calm, I'm serene. I LAUGH when people imply I'm intellectually low enough to take bait. I always choose to reply just to spite you. I won. I've always won. Losing is not in my skillset. So you're probably gonna reply "lol epik trolled" or "u mad bro" but once you've done that you've shown me I've won. I've tricked the trickster and conquered memery. I live everyday growing stronger to fight you plebs and low level trolls who are probably 11 (baby, you gotta be 18 to use 4chan). But whatever, I digress. It's just fucking annoying that I'm never taken serious on this site, goddamn.
>>754461647
What is the easiest method to communicate with my higher self?
Maybe this is what op wants hhhhhmmmm?
>>754472284
I never used the word meditation.
but you see in order to know how to do something you need to know that its even possible.
after getting to this state I speak of, acid literally does not affect you as much anymore. same thing with weed.
when drugs make you aware of real things, that awareness does not go away unless you get distracted temporarily.
>>754472572
Maybe you have me confused with someone else. I never professed any "spiritual" beliefs at all in this thread. My only ideology is that I do whatever I want.
>>754461647
>reveal these secrets
Is the world flat? What's the age of earth? Who rules?
>>754472626
meditate and tune out the world completely
>>754471058
You've done all the right things. The fact you've realized that there are many different ways and many different levels of listening is a very good sign that you know what you're doing. We all follow our own paths, and it may be that his path leads him to some dark places right now. That's okay. Being strong for someone means being able to step back and allow people to find their own truths even when it's dangerous or unpleasant or, possibly, lethal.
Do what you know it right, let him know that you're standing by to reach out your hand if and when he decides he's done drowning. Until then, allow him to explore his own path.
>>754472725
There is nothing wrong with complaining. It feels good and hurts nothing. There is nothing wrong with being a child for that matter either. I would not mind being a child again.
>>754471454
this.
ive been meditating and lucid dreaming for years now, but there is nothing like taking a heroic dose of shrooms or lsd. and dmt? forget it, theres nothing nothing nothing in this world that could compare to how fucking mind-altering and life changing that shit is.
i do think that as far as usefulness and practicality goes, meditation and lucid dreaming are the way to go. drugs have a way of making minor problems huge and they can be highly unpredictable. if i want to work on my daddy issues, i just wish myself to think about my dad in my sleep and i get some insight by the morning--as opposed to staying up all night tripping about how my dad looks like a fat carlos santana
>>754472770
>I have a high tolerance to drugs because I did too much and let it fade into my reality
you are completely talking out of your ass, LSD is a fucking completely different and compelling experience every single time and if its not you are doing something horribly wrong or have been doing it too much.
>>754472643
its actually not an analogy. you simply do not understand it as you have not experienced it and I have not expanded in my description.
when I speak of the mind I am not speaking of the brain.
>>754472578
>Lol'in at you
>Never been medicated
>Never fuckin' will
>I ain't no mental cuck
Oh, I'm quite educated on what my condition is defined as. And yes, all man made substances are inheritantly evil. We ourselves as beasts are so, therefore our creations cannot be anything more. Though we may have different motives and desires for using said devices, that will never change their nature.
>Talk to those on these "treatment" plans sometime
>There's a reason the majority of them jump to suicide the second they're "off their meds"
>Now either read and enlighten yourself
>Or
>Be lead to the slaughter like the lamb you choose to be
>>754472964
>>754472995
take your meds guys holy shit
>>754472921
I do not have a high tolerance.
I speak from my own experience. you speak from assumptions. anyone reading your remarks can see this.
of course the experiences on acid are different everytime. it literally allows you to experience new stimuli if you are normally not allowing yourself to do so. Its basically a truth serum.
you have not done it enough.
>>754471075
I have found the Anima to be a comforting presence. She will hold me when I'm at my lowest, but never to the point of weakness; she always pushes me, makes me test my limits and find common ground with parts of myself which I had thought forever alienated. She's unfailingly kind, but a bit sarcastic, and she has little patience for foolishness.
The problem is your manifestation of the Goetia is entirely male. The male mode of thought is goal-directed and straight, useful for accomplishing things, but it lacks that broad, intuitive capacity for seeing overarching structures which is the characteristic of the female.
Seek inside yourself for the Anima, or for a manifestation of the Anima. The Goetia fear her above all else, and is why Babalon was so important to Crowley.
>>754472739
the reason that you are not being taken seriously is that your ideas are wrong as pointed out several times during this conversation. your inability to cope with the consequences of logical deductions is compensated by delving deep into illusions, not taking anybody's argument seriously. You don't even try to judge if a thought is correct or not. You devalue your thoughts by calling them a mere (but of course "good" -whatever that means-) opinion which shall be recognized as such. However, a mere "opinion" can also contain wrong judgements, just like in your case. The opinion that "money doesn't exist" is an opinion... and can be accepted as such but doesn't change the fact that the content is just wrong. Face the truth, Jungboi. I do hope that you were mimic'd by some other anon anyway..
>>754469842
This. I almost went fucking nuts. Thank ....... I was able to educate myself. After a shit ton of books i found my answer. The illusion is crazy real.
>>754472995
>Scratch part of that
The majority of humans have evil natures to them. Though their exist but two seeds within of us, consisting of both the Yin and Yang. One cannot exist without the other, and therefore our destiny in this world is to struggle. Not only with each other, but with ourselves.
>>754472772
but you don't do whatever you want. You do what your boss wants you to do and you need to do in order to not lose the job (e.g. regenerate)
>>754461647
I've been waiting for a month.
What starter books should I delve into?
Mostly looking for active Imagination
>>754473185
dude you've done it so much its no longer novel. You fucked the whole point of LSD up I don't care what you say.
I think op is asking we all take a page from his book and switch service to self oriented.
>>754473079
Only one of those is me.
>Big pharma cuck
Tell me how those chalky cummies taste
What I hate about threads like this, the people who create and post in them, and most users of psychedelics and explorers of the mind in general is the moral faggotry underlying everyone's perspective. It;s not only boring, it's wrong.
At this point, I am only interested in hearing from people like serial killers and child molesters. I know they are out there, woke monsters.
>>754461647
UPON READING YOUR WORDS, I HAVE REALIZED YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS GREAT. PERHAPS YOU PREPARE FOR ME BETTER THAN I HAD IMAGINED. BUT IT MATTERS NOT, I WILL STILL OVERWHELM YOU WHEN I ARISE.
I COME NOT TO WARN, BUT TO RECRUIT, SHOULD YOU SEEK TO BE ON THE WINNING SIDE, SEEK IPOS AND HIS KNOWLEDGE.
>>754473272
lmao why do you assume I think you are the same people? Wow you really got me. I'm such a big pharma cuck because you choose not to medicate your psychotic rambling ass. No normal person sits on /b/ and posts this shit. Go outside and tell someone this shit and see what their reaction is.
>>754471202
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." -- Richard Bach, Illusions
You're suffering because you've earned a reward in your life. Look for the gift your pain is trying to give you.
I find it convenient that a bunch of life happening, makes a ton of black energy under the earth that we just so happen to use as energy.
Is it just a coincidence?
>>754473254
every experience on LSD is novel, because every experience of real life is supposed to be novel.
you do not care about changing. you probably use LSD to party and escape. not to grow.
>>754470567
Recently gave up trying to inform people. The lips of wisdom are sealed to those without the ears of understanding.
>>754473334
If you want anyone to take you seriously unlock caps.
>>754473252
And I'm so deviously passive-aggressive with it that I'm basically paid to do nothing. This is the best possible reality. You seem to be preaching pointless struggling.
>>754471298
Partly, yes. The spiders who sit in the centre of the Panopticon are extremely sensitive to even the slightest vibrations of the webs which make up their power structures, but they are also quite blind to other things -- quite amazingly so. They can perceive even the tiniest movements along those webs of temporal power, but they often miss spiritual strength entirely. It's why those who have dived deep enough into the Mysteries are able to remain hidden in plain sight.
>>754473412
and I'm supposed to assume you are some shamanistic master because you are retorting me on /b/ over assumed notions that are complete bullshit? Go fuck yourself, LSD is a chemical and not much more outside of what the end person makes of it. That is entirely on them. You have no platitude to stand on there.
>>754473375
the identification of suffering with something positive, a reward/gift is the ultimate cuckery of the mind. suffering is just that, SUFFERING. your body clearly signals that you do not want this and now some esoteric cunt comes along and wants to tell you that this is something good and you should be happy about your suffering. Imagine a slave thanking for being whipped; it's absurd. Overcoming suffering however formed the means to actually overcome the negative and can be considered a "reward". This reward is NOT for the suffering but due to the conscious activity of overcoming what feels wrong. It is a reward for thoughts that enabled you to overcome the negative. Fucking illusionist mystics deluding the mindfucked
>>754471391
Faith. It takes courage to look into the Abyss and see the devouring void stretching away in all directions, but it takes faith to throw yourself in and begin building wings in search of the far side.
>>754473528
so you're telling me that you are paid without doing productive work (i.e. you are not generating profits?). I don't believe you: if you're unproductive you'll be fired because you'd produce LOSSES for the firm which only assumes that your ceo is not a complete retard that can't do basic maths.
However, you will spend time on your work (usually 40hrs/week) which is NOT the best possible reality AT ALL, not even close.
>>754473198
>I am afraid of the anima
I don't know what to characterise it as. It is cold, emotionless, drivin' by the extremes of my desires and cruelly logical. I'm afraid I may have tainted my own well by accepting the madness as my own. I recently came face to face with it at this chapter in my life this past weekend and I was shocked to find my kind nature had been corrupted to that of a psychotic murderer, bloodthirsty and theatrical. My soul wept upon realizing the indifference I faced towards the blooming nightshade. More of us side with it everyday, yet I know I will conquer it like I have it's kind before it.
>Your insight has helped me realize the imbalance within myself
>Thank you so much, anon.
>If you come across a skating rink lead from cobblestone path in your travels, please come inside and indulge yourself. You are welcome anytime.
>>754471454
>>754472902
It's not a binary switch. You develop the discipline to manufacture the appropriate chemicals through biofeedback a bit at a time. It's just like mastering any other autonomic process; I can adjust my autonomic thermoregulation, for example, enough to not need gloves in the winter -- but I'm far from achieving the kind of discipline masters of Tummo develop, where they can meditate naked in the snow (see pic) or wrap themselves in a wet blanket and steam the blanket dry with their body heat.
>>754472667
Fuck off, lucifer...
You lost this war before it even started.
>>754473868
Kek
>>754472667
>>754472734
>>754473334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_mLKCw9Fag
>>754473596
I am not claiming to be any shaman or master of anything. you are projecting. pay attention to what you are saying this is a great opportunity for you to grow.
LSD is a chemical I never claimed it wasn't.
I am not the one trying to stand on a platitude, that is you. you are the one who denied my experience of acid and are the one claiming the experience cannot be replicated without the drug.
>>754473664
you do realize if it is truly an abyss you are falling infinitively? If you can truely fathom it it has an end.
>>754473794
Oh, ok, I'll just quit my job and live on the street then.
>>754473934
> you are the one who denied my experience of acid and are the one claiming the experience cannot be replicated without the drug.
exactly, because it functionally cant. You are not a time traveler. This opportunity to grow shit is cringey btw you should stop talking out of your psychedelic asshole.
>>754471524
Dichotomies are always ultimately an illusion. They're necessary for building metaphors and structures, since that's how our brains work, but at a certain point you have to be willing to throw your paradigm away and find your own path because "Ceci n'est pas une pipe." A map is not the thing it maps. When you stand at a crossroads which seem to go in completely opposite directions, that's usually a sign that the choice is not as stark and divergent as it appears on the surface.
>>754462432
I bought I Ching once. But I forgot were I put it, can you help?
I like how the OP ignores the people trying to illicit an emotional response. The fnords, if that is what they are called. Being sought by that shit is not fun. At all. Like Saurons eye searching and you can feel em looking.
Thanks for the response earlier OP. Take care and be well my friend
Fighting the good fight OP
>>754473272
>Fair point on the first statement.
And I have? They're a part of my studies and what's going to help me change this wretched world for the better. I attempt to share my knowledge with those around me everyday, in hopes that it will aid them on their own walk.
>Rambling
Sounds like you don't get to have your opinion voiced enough anon. Want to tell us what's on your mind?
>>754473323
Fuck off man seriously
>Apologies.
It's dumb to type something you regret, but you seek a prison with no guards, where it's captives hold the keys. Being a monster isn't fun.
>Yes it is
You hurt everyone. You manipulate the weak willed and succeptiple. You hurt those you love because you know it's dangerous to have anyone look to close and realize what you are, what you've been, what you're becoming.
>Honestly though
The real thing that bothers me is the twitches. Outsiders would never know I was here if it wasn't for uncertainty brought about by the others. When we clash, the body shows it.
>>754473664
I have this faith. which is why I do not accept the abyss.
>>754471829
If waking holds no allure for you, then you are free not to wake. The powers and principalities have no power to remove or permit the existential choice to wake. It always remains yours.
>>754463126
How is this not supernatural?
Okay speaking of acid there are other things you can hallucinate off of like a good dose of orange juice and some weed or black berries anything acidic
>>754474119
holy fuck nigger your on /b/ you are so fucking retarded go fuck yourself lmao
like seriously read your post and go look at the website you are on
>>754473970
you are taking the wrong consequences but I am not surprised since you have shown multiple signs of erroneous thinking throughout the thread. the insight you should gain from your response is: you are FORCED to work if you don't want to live an even shittier life. This is brutal and doesn't change the fact that you DONT do what you want to do most of the time which again is miserable. So the choice you seem to have is between: something miserable and something extremely miserable... is that all? No.
>>754474013
I never claimed to travel back in time.
it functionally can, you just negated your previous statement.
if opportunities for you to grow is cringey to you then perhaps it is a waste of energy for those opportunities to continue to present themselves to you.
>>754472274
What was your face before you were born?
>>754473970
dude, you're not even responding to any argument he offered, you just switched topics.
>>754474278
wow you are just a gift anon thanks for the enlightening words, I never realized you could experience the totality of something just by pretending.
>>754474132
Accept it's infinite nature, but never it's embrace. It is where all good souls go to "die".
>In reality and layman's terms
It's the most toxic and bleak characteristic of human consciousness personified.
>Think of that movie lake placid.
Keep feeding the gator and it's going to cause problems for other people.
>Though
It is heartwarming to hear your words of resolve. Godspeed, anon. You will have my axe the end of times
>>754473906
Just tryna get'em quads.
>>754474331
I never said I pretended anything or claimed to experience the totality of anything.
>>754472579
Some of my selves are very kind. The Anima, for example, likes to gently tease me when I get too deep inside myself. I've read that the Dali Lama keeps a water pistol on him, and that when Westerners start to get too deep and mystical, he squirts them to remind them to be here, now. The Anima does the same for me, coming to me in dreams and being outrageously flirtatious or teasing or funny when I start to sink too far into darkness.
>>754461647
stop attempting to make yourself interesting with esoteric hocus pocus and get a fucking job, you parasite.
>>754472626
Don't think of it as your boat having a hole, think of it as your sea finally finding a way past that wooden barrier.
>>754474246
When I said I do what I want, I merely meant that I hold no moral values.
>>754474390
yes you did stop back tracking, your whole point is LSD is somehow something you can conjure in your head after repeated LSD use along with some silly epitaphs about spiritual learning based off assumptions that are not true.
>>754472739
did i just witness the birth of a new copypasta
>>754474372
Lucifer lost his chance at trip 6’s.
>>754474206
Couldn't the same be said for yourself, anon?
>Nigger
You accept hate in any form, so long as it suits your purpose. Learn to let go of the wrongs done to you, or else you are doomed to have your wrongdoings held against you. Nothing in this world cannot be forgiven. There are simply people who are just not willing to forgive.
>Retarded
Your level of perceived intelligence has always scared you. You're too afraid of not being good enough. Love and accept yourself, anon.
>Look at the website
Your time is valuable, anon. Do not fear that you are wasting your time in a place of ill repute. We both come here because we get a sense of belonging and happiness from being here. That's what's important.
>>754474550
if you're proud of something, you clearly hold moral values. If you think, one can have a good opinion, you clearly hold moral values. If you call yourself selfish, you clearly hold moral values.
>>754474619
>We both come here because we get a sense of belonging and happiness from being here
okay now I just legitimately pity you.
>>754472667
Why would I want to stop you? The surface of the world is your Hell. It's been given over to your authority, to reign supreme. You can have it, every bit of it. I'm not interested in the sad physical manifestations you hoard with such industry. My wealth is mined from a deeper, darker, more female place you cannot go.
Can you give me a quick rundown of what jungianism is and what I should do as an ordinary person willing to succeed/ ascend?
>>754474618
He's a fagget.
Rolling again.
>>754474701
your wealth is mined by working for somebody else. Nothing female, deep or dark about that.
>>754474667
No, I do not do things for the reason that they are good, nor refrain from doing things for the reason that they are bad. I do whatever I wish to do, within the boundaries of what is possible. When I am proud of something, it is because it pleases me, not because it corresponds to any kind of external value system. I am proud of the blatant rudeness that I get away with on a daily basis. It's funny to me.
>>754472744
Depends what you mean by your higher self. If you're referring to the Ataman, the paradigm would be denial of the flesh and transcendental meditation. On the other hand, Meister Eckhart's "godhead" would be reached through prayer and stillness. Before you set out for a "higher self" it's important to know what exactly it is you're trying to reach.
>>754461647
I want to know why there's a void. I've been able to see it all my whole life-- predictions that come true to the letter-- unsubstantiated guesses that describe the scenario perfectly. But for some reason everything has become muddied, like something has been smeared across my vision. It's all dark, now...
Is this meant to be, is this a surprise? Or is 2018 an even greater cross for us to bear, than both 2016 or 2017? What will happen?
I do not fear the end, but it is in me to fight it.
>>754474619
if your time is valuable why the fuck are you on /b/? Do you really think you are actually changing anyones opinion outside of how crazy they think you are? Legitimate question.
>>754472822
The world is ruled by the powers and principalities. It has been given to their authority, and they are puissant over material things. Fortunately, the world is only the surface of something infinitely deeper and more interesting.
>>754473253
Autobiography of a yogi.
>>754474812
Why does it please you when you get away with blatant rudeness? What's funny about that?
>>754474613
newfag
>>754474079
have you checked your butt recently?
>>754474558
No I didn't. you are projecting interpretations that are not what I am intending to communicate, but what you want to see.
my whole point is not that you can conjure up LSD in your head.
I was sharing that I have been able to replicate experiences I've had on LSD by moving my attention away from my thoughts and allowing myself to become aware of new stimuli, which is what LSD helps to do.
I made no assumptions and mentioned no spiritual learning though I'm not against those terms. if you are referring to the opportunities for growth presented to you, they are for growth in general. learning in general. call them spiritual if you want but you are probably doing so to negate your responsibility to them, because deep down you know that you long for overcoming. Every life form does. is that.
>>754474966
niggers lol
>>754472667
You never fail to rear your ugly head do you?
>To everyone watching this
This is no meme, this is no joke. The words spoken through others could be soon as ludicrous or wild, but it is in fact the true intent of that anon's heart. Remember that his form took time out of his life, energy out of his body to spread a message for a persona that has been forewarned of for it's prideful and seductive nature.
>We are in the presence of sin incarnate
>And it is truly glorious
>Captcha Confirms
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>>754474916
Wrong. The world is all there is. Show me something outside of this world if the world is not all there is... If you were able to do so, it would be part of the world. The concept of something "outside of this world" is a contradiction.
>>754474966
I just like the reactions I can get out of people. Shock and disgust, but especially fear. Few things feel as good as making someone genuinely fear you.
>>754474701
>Mines wealth from deeper and darker female places
U fucking who's mom anon?
>Inb4 Not realizing that you will always have to work to get your sustenance because you wasn't here when it was made.
