What do you think about God?
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What do you think about God?
i dont
he seems like a good guy
>>753300194
Why not?
I think he's got some explaining to do.
He's the creator of all that is and will ever be
>>753300043
Gonna kill the bastard eventually.
When this world melts away and all that’s left is God and the human soul, the wicked will burn in Hell and mankind will be at peace for the first time
i have some questions for him, and a list of grievances. waiting for him to take my calls.
>>753300043
Quetzalcoatl is a pretty cool dude.
>>753300274
because its just a version of the boogeyman story ie bullshit
>>753300504
>i have some questions for him, and a list of grievances. waiting for him to take my calls.
Let's hear your question and your grievances. Just for the fun of it.
>>753300504
In the end you’re not the one asking the questions, God is.
>>753300043
which one?
>>753300649
>boogeyman story ie bullshit
Or is it bullshit that something can come from nothing?
Or the rational can come from the irrational?
Or that information can come about by chance?
>>753300796
The Christian God, the only one that exists. What happened to “you shall have no graven image before me” you fucking pagan?
most likely bullshit but VERY NEEDED for our survival, to not fall into perdition and have our population replaced
>>753300043
I tried believing in him, but my autism brain seems to be lacking the faith part you need to believe.
I genuinely wanted to believe, since I saw other people find benefit in it, but I can't.
>>753300043
Think about the ages the earth existed, then think about the ages the christian religion existed, there you go
>>753300834
The universe is a mysterious place and not knowing everything is okay.
To say that some being did it all, is a cop-out
>>753300924
>I saw other people find benefit in it, but I can't
My sympathies to you.
>>753300043
Lonely. But funny. She's got a great sense of humor
>>753300924
God is the only thing we need in this universe. Jesus said blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled. Go read the good book for yourself
>>753300834
The big bang didn't come from nothing, no one claims that, we just don't know what it came from.
If you have evidence the rest of us don't, please share.
Our universe seems to have been moving towards complexity since the beginning, rationality might just be a natural extension of that.
How do you define information and why is chance precluded from causing it?
>>753300834
>faggotry
simply not knowing the answer doesnt mean god exists
>>753301025
The universe is a mysterious place and not knowing everything is okay.
To say that random chance did it all, is a cop-out
>>753301025
>not knowing everything is okay
Sure it is.
>is a cop-out
How do you figure? Something can't come from nothing. We know the universe had a beginning. We know there can't be an infinite regress.
>>753301087
I've read it front to back anon, it gives some interesting insights from an anthropological viewpoint, but it never provides any evidence beyond hearsay.
>>753300043
>What do you think about God?
Pediatric AIDS.
God is just the person who understood the universe before anyone else did.
>>753300043
he loves us and will take us to heaven at 26 years old god is always there for u god jesus christ jehovah and the holy spirit
>>753301220
some people just can't grasp the sheer amount of time that there has been.
What exactly are you saying random chance didn't do it all? In what context? Planet/Star formation or life?
you can’t think about something if it never existed
>>753301248
In that case you already know that the messiah said if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move a mountain. I think that you hunger and thirst for righteousness, my advise is to go to a baptist church and find it.
On that note, be careful about churches these days, most of them are led by satan
>>753300043
He's either dead or he doesn't care
>If you were a supreme being would you?
>>753300680
>lack of an explanation that i can believe about why i exist
>how he defends himself about creating sentient beings and dropping us in this shithole to fester among eachother
>whether theres an afterlife
you?
>>753301145
>we just don't know what it came from
Well we are pretty sure that it was very powerful. Outside of time and space. Not made of matter. Had the ability to make a choice.
Sound familiar?
>rationality might just be a natural extension of that
If it was, it would be a miracle.
>define information and why is chance precluded from causing it?
Well language can produce information. DNA is information. If DNA came about by chance it would be a miracle.
>>753300889
what's is it's name then?
>>753301521
Nah sorry man, having read many holy books, I've come to the conclusion that living my life as a good person and banking on god if he exists to be a forgiving guy who looks at the life lived instead of religious asses kissed, no offense meant btw.
>>753301521
Yes, and be sure and find a baptist church with a maroon carpet in the sanctuary. Baptist churches with fuchsia carpets are harbingers of demons and should be avoided.
>>753301665
All of these things you mention: DNA, languages, time and space were all invented by God. I’d rather know the source of these wonderful things than the material things
>>753301214
>simply not knowing the answer doesnt mean god exists
That's true. But it can be logically arrived at by looking at the evidence. You know the same way you figure out how to get to work/school in the morning.
>>753301230
I do like multi-verse theory or Membrane theory. It's basically 2 other universes bumped into each other to form another "bubble-verse." So really, who's to say there really is just this universe? Quantum physics is neat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory
>>753300043
if wedgie boards work, ying and yang mutha fucka.
One can't exist without the other
>>753301805
It’s best to seek salvation now while it can be found instead of later when there is only judgement
>>753301665
>Well we are pretty sure that it was very powerful. Outside of time and space. Not made of matter. Had the ability to make a choice.
How do you know this?
>If it was, it would be a miracle.
Why, if complexity is the direction everything moves in, it would be a logical conclusion of any given animal race who gains sentience through their survival method.
>Well language can produce information. DNA is information. If DNA came about by chance it would be a miracle.
DNA didn't spring into existence fully formed though, it was built up bit by bit over millennia.
Christ died for our sins and was resurrected so that we can too
>>753301995
You're assuming judgement will actually happen and what and how things will be judged, doesn't that go against god?
>>753301591
>>lack of an explanation that i can believe about why i exist
Maybe you haven't checked it out enough.
>>how he defends himself about creating sentient beings and dropping us in this shithole to fester among eachother
Why is this a shithole and how are we festering?
>>whether theres an afterlife
Not something we can experience. NOT knowable based on personal experience or any way physically.
>>753301846
>DNA, languages, time and space were all invented by God
I'm with you. Except for the language one.
>>753300228
he's a good goy indeed
>>753300043
If he's real, we will be meeting shortly. God said everyone would be a bunch of worthless faggots in the end times.
That "culture" all you people yearn for was because the earth wasn't ready for pain and fire.
Take 99% of the people you know, would you really give a fuck if god took their shitty lives?
People are shit.
i think god was something more akin to this
>>753302203
No, the judgement of mankind is a very prominant aspect of the bible
>>753301907
>multi-verse theory or Membrane theory
Do you have any evidence of such except for your feelings? None. Nada.
BGV Thereom forces even those theories to have a cause or a beginning.
Best president we’ve ever had
>>753302461
Yes and Ragnarok is a very prominent part of Asatru. These religions seem equally valid to me, why is yours true?
>>753300043
He's here but following him is hard. I feel like those who follow god always struggle in some way, I definitely feel like my life would be easier right now if I was immoral and selfish. I guess that's the test of faith though.
>>753302571
>These religions seem equally valid to me, why is yours true?
Pretty simple. Jesus of Nazareth lived, died, and rose from the dead. Check him out.
>>753302571
Because we exist (against the laws of physicsand chemistry) and there is good and evil (against atheism and nihilism).
Never realized pic related was such a popular dude to this day still.
>>753302746
He had to look like someone, what’s wrong with that?
>>753302492
well, string theory and super-symmetry have been proven by doing experiments with atoms over great distances, including teleportation
>>753302448
Probably a more realistic approach than what these "stories" portray
>>753301852
>logically arrived
>i dont know why this happened
>god did it
kys
>>753302240
I could rattle off some reasons i think its a shithole but my fingers are tired from shitposting all day
>>753302596
Everyone is immoral and selfish. There’s only a few who know that for a fact
>>753302835
>well, string theory and super-symmetry have been proven by doing experiments with atoms over great distances, including teleportation
Sorry dude. Nothing about string theory is PROVEN. Michio Kaku's best conclusion is that there is a cause for the universe.
>>753302682
Odin hung himself from a tree, sacrificed himself and rose again with new knowledge.
I have read the bible, it's assertions have as much backing as the Viking eddas, which isn't saying much.
>>753302744
What are you talking about, the laws of physics and chemistry contains every opportunity to form life. And before you claim the earth is a closed system, remember that our sun adds energy to this planet all of the time.
I'm a theological noncognitivist/ignostic (not quite the same as an agnostic). Anything we say about the topic is saying too much.
>>753303109
According to the laws of physics we should not exist. Look it up, it’s true
>>753303008
>>god did it
I would disagree with you. I'm not talking about god of the gaps. I'm talking about the logical progression of conclusion based on evidence.
Can you tell the difference?
>>753303194
Which law?
>>753300043
god is my nigga
>>753303290
Because matter cannot exist without already existing
>>753303084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYAdwS5MFjQ
>>753301907
>>753300043
it's a concept useful to distinguish who are the less evolutioned primates. For example the majority of USAmericans are clearly one step behind in evolution, since they are "a nation under god" and they even pray for getting some rain, like it probably happened 100,000 years ago.
>>753303149
Read systematic theology by charles hodge
>>753303429
We made of the same atoms as everything else anon, we are made from existing matter converted through eating and drinking things.
>>753303602
We’re also unified with a spirit.
>>753303684
if by that you mean stardust, you are correct.
>>753303109
>Odin hung himself from a tree, sacrificed himself and rose again with new knowledge.
Odin wasn't crucified so much as he crucified himself and with a very different goal, there was no redemption/salvation, Odins sacrifice was for knowledge.
Not even the same story.
>it's assertions have as much backing as the Viking eddas, which isn't saying much.
Really? The half-dozen facts about Jesus are these: 1) that Jesus died by crucifixion; 2) that very soon afterwards, his followers had real experiences that they thought were actual appearances of the risen Jesus; 3) that their lives were transformed as a result, even to the point of being willing to die specifically for their faith in the resurrection message; 4) that these things were taught very early, soon after the crucifixion; 5) that James, Jesus’ unbelieving brother, became a Christian due to his own experience that he thought was the resurrected Christ; and 6) that the Christian persecutor Paul (formerly Saul of Tarsus) also became a believer after a similar experience.
>laws of physics and chemistry contains every opportunity to form life
Really? It must be something easy and just pops up every where.
>>753303914
"facts" - my sides...
>>753303504
Yeah... There's a video. Nothing about string theory is PROVEN. That's why it is still called THEORY.
>>753303914
Most of the stories about jesus were agreed upon during a meeting where they decided what would be in the bible.
It's not super easy anon, but considering how large the universe, it's well nigh impossible for life not to form somewhere.
>>753304151
Gravity is also a theory, yet I know I'll get hurt because of it if I jump off a tall cliff.
God is the only reason I am happy every day
:)
its happening
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/newly-made-rna-strand-bolsters-ideas-about-how-life-earth-began
>>753300043
He's an ass. A sadistic kid playing sims.
He's extremely egomaniacal & selfishly jealous.
Rather go to hell than be stuck in heaven sucking his dick 24/7 for all eternity.
>>753304096
>"facts" - my sides...
Yep. FACTs. Virtually every expert in the area would agree to those. If you take issue with those FACTS you are an outlier....and might even be considered a dumbass.
>>753304156
Many somewheres even.
>>753304334
No you don’t
>>753304207
its like people think a theory is just some shit somebody made up, that isn't true at all or anything..
A scientific theory is very different that somebody just saying "Ya know Bob! I have a theory that you're banging my wife!" Meanwhile - she's at church blowing the pastor
>>753304156
>jesus were agreed upon during a meeting
Really? When was this meeting? Can you name it. Point it out from some historical record?
>they decided what would be in the bible
Really? Which meeting?
>it's well nigh impossible for life not to form somewhere
Sounds like it might be a miracle. But that's still not as big of a miracle and the beginning of the universe.
>>753304424
I don't, what, exactly?
I certainly dont want to be stuck worshiping an egomaniac wholl punish me if I dont for fucking ever. Just give me the 'punsihment', Id get along much better with the others taking it anyway.
>>753304354
I am an outlier since probably more than 90% of the human population believe in one god or another. I can't help but think this proves we are still quite close to monkeys. You for example are an intelligent person but in this regard you're probably like fucking nehandertal thinking that "Jesus" is looking just at your chair whileyou travel at at great speed through the galaxy. Ah, the humankind, it would be funny if you didn't kill people because of your stupid beliefs, among other disastrous consequences.
>>753304614
>When was this meeting? Can you name it. Point it out from some historical record?
ffs look at the canonical meetings surrounding the King James revisions, for a start. damn books been edited so much Id be surprised if it looks anything like it did originally.
>>753304617
You don’t want to go to hell.
It’s not quite what you will expect, it’s orders of magnitude worse than the collective minds of humanity could conjure in their minds
>>753301477
Check'd, also this
>>753304858
Still better than sucking the dick of the being threatening to send me there for NOT sucking his dick.
>>753304614
>Really? When was this meeting? Can you name it. Point it out from some historical record?
The Council of Chalcedon in 451.
>Really? Which meeting?
See the answer above.
>Sounds like it might be a miracle. But that's still not as big of a miracle and the beginning of the universe.
Having the conditions needed, the goldilocks zone, the chemicals needed to form amino acids and the right amount of energy is bound to happen many many times in our vast universe and that is only accounting for carbon based lifeforms.
It doesn't take a miracle, only many billions of solar systems.
>>753304617
>stuck worshiping an egomaniac wholl punish me if I dont for fucking ever
If we are just cellular matter hurtling through space and all there is is matter and energy, the word egomaniac has no value. It's just your subjective opinion.
>wholl punish me if I dont for fucking ever
It would seem to me that it would be a reasonable God if he didn't force you to be in his presence forever if you don't want to be.
It's a stupid story only morons believe.
>>753300194
/thread
From birth you are taught you are going to live forever and never die. Now who could pass that up? Who? People that don't believe some all-knowing, all-powerful thing could allow so much suffering of the innocent. Beside, some usually discover at a very young age that almost all christians use their religion to advance themselves at the expense of others.
>>753304938
Thats not the song you’ll be singing later on. My advise is to accept the salvation from the Christ Jesus while you still can. Read “sinners in the hands of an angry God” by Jonathan Edwards and you’ll see what I mean
Constantine the Great and Christianity
>>753304858
great on him to not give that choice to all the fucking non-human life he created, yet put under the dominion of his cruelest creation while giving them the pointless abilities of feeling pain & emotion. A pointlessly sadistic move for God.
FUCK. THAT. GUY.
>>753305129
>Join my religion or else!
That threat only works if your religion is true, which neither of us can refute or corroborate.
I'm always surprised that people are always born to the right god
Imagine you believed in Allah but your actual god was the Spaghetti Monster
also, think about this:
if nothing can come from nothing, where did god come from?
(maybe we just don't know that something can actually come from nothing?)
And if there is "a" god, or however many gods you believe in. Why's he not shown himself? People will claim all sorts of bullshit.
I've got a green-blue unicorn living in my yard, it poops rainbows on a daily basis. But sadly, only I can see it. Can't proof me wrong, so it must be there! SIMPLEEEEE~
>>753304614
>>>753304156
>>jesus were agreed upon during a meeting
>Really? When was this meeting? Can you name it. Point it out from some historical record?
The council of Nicaea Wikipedia can give you the info
people who don't believe in God still find themselves asking for his help in dire times.
Seems like part of you never lets go of him, even when you say you don't believe.
>>753305031
>It would seem to me that it would be a reasonable God
none of the evidence I see in either the books or the world points to a reasonable, or even fucking sane god.
>>753300043
>>753305223
Just read it. It’s short
>>753305293
Also the Council of Chalcedon in 451.
>>753305129
Why is a bible thumper on /b/? U ain’t saving anyone here.
>>753305247
The whole argument of science vs religion is retarded, they should be cooperative. Science is the means through which we develop a deeper understanding of that which created everything in the first place, albeit most Christians don't think that way
>>753305299
I never called out to god in bad times and I've had some doozies.
My thoughts go more along "fuck i hope i get through this shit".
Nice "You believe but won't admit it" fallacy though.
>>753305429
but what if we can't understand what created everything, because there isn't "something" that created everything
>>753304747
>outlier since probably more than 90%
You are an outlier in the sense that I meant that you disagree with virtually every expert in the field despite you are not an expert.
>probably like fucking nehandertal thinking that "Jesus" is looking
By my estimation. My position is the most reasonable one.
>t would be funny if you didn't kill people because of your stupid beliefs
Killing people would be contrary to my beliefs and the conscious that was given to me by God. You don't need the Bible to tell you that you shouldn't kill people for no good reason.
>disastrous consequences
Contrary. Disaster will happen if you continue to deny God. Ask Neitzschie.
>>753305429
They can’t work together because science proves religion is bullshit
>>753305406
Even in the darkest places, God’s light will shine bright. It’s not about me
>>753305369
The apocryphal books left out of the bible by the council of nicea were interesting
>>753305327
What the bible or the Jonathan Edwards thing?
See the disconnect between us is that I need something solid to believe in things, you only give vague ideas and tacit threats.
>>753305517
mfw the Universe is just a cell inside a larger body
>>753305129
>sinners in the hands of an angry God
Fuck him. Seriously. Daddy gonna spank me. Hes a fucking helicopter parent who makes a disease where you hear voices in your head, then chooses THAT as the sole method he'll actually speak to you.
Fucking tell me what you actually want, and why you fucked up so many things so bad. In a fucking indisputable way. If you wont, yet still want to punish me,fucking go ahead, asshole.
YOU MADE ME TO BE THIS WAY AND QUESTION YOU LIKE THIS.
Fuck off with your punishments. Do them or don't. Fucking tired of your bullshit.
>>753305570
Hahahahahahahahaha
>>753300537
Agreed, He was against human sacrifice and protected us from giant space skeletons.
That's a cool guy in my book.
>>753305584
Yeah, I especially like the Judas evangelium.
It brings an almost transcendental note to Christianity, where Jesus asked him to betray him so he could escape his fleshy prison.
>>753305655
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIiJZINJFiw
>>753305585
Its not threats, I’m pointing the way to life and not death. You see the liberals trying to change every definition they can and all the threats from mass shootings and North Korea these days? Nothing has changed with humanity, we’re all sinners. Read Jonathan Edwards and the bible, learn from it and don’t ignore it
>>753305517
Sure there is, even if it isn't a god, something happened that made everything in our universe
>>753305655
fuck that, its turtles all the way down.
And the beams hold up the turtle, as the tower holds up the beams.
>>753305796
>god created all this for us to explore
>>753305678
Nobody will laugh at God when everyone is commanded at judgement day
>>753305826
See you think you're offering me an olive branch, but just like the liberals, you're telling me "believe what I believe or you're a bad person that bad things will happen to".
You're just as bad as them anon, this comes with the territory of taking the moral high ground and considering yourself better than others.
>>753304987
>The Council of Chalcedon in 451
You do realize that the Bible existed well before this and all the accepted books were written in the 1st century, right?
You can even reference the early church fathers from the 2nd century. Council of Chalcedon would have only confirmed what was the general practice.
>the goldilocks zone
Ah yeah... that old the goldilocks zone. Man, I wonder how that came about?
1. The fine-tuning of the universe to support life is either due to law (physical necessity), chance or design
2. It is not due to law or chance
3. Therefore, the fine-tuning is due to design
>>753305537
My friend, you will always be more stupid than me in this regard, and that's something absolutely evident to me. I can't explain it to you, because your mind is totally shut for this. Now, excuse me, I have to leave, I have a meeting in Rapa Nui with a couple of gods that were created there while they were isolated for over a century.
Very clearly something humans have created because want to feel special and that idea (and religion in general) has and continues to do some good but overall is a hindrance on discovery of our world/universe. Side note i dont think i smarter than anyone because were human after all and were very susceptible to the fear of the unknown which religion solves. en
>>753305936
I will. I will laugh in his fucking face, even if Im terrified. Fuck him. He made me to.
>>753305963
I’m not telling you this as a threat, it’s because I love you and I want you to know the truth
>>753305936
>implying there will be a judgement day
and if so, why not just keep your faith to yourself and laugh at everybody else who doesn't want to listen?
>>753305997
How can you assert that it couldn't happen by chance, there are literally more solar systems than we can comprehend in numbers in our mind.
Given all of these, the goldilocks zone is bound to happen within a certain percentage of probability.
>>753306080
fucking faggot
>>753300043
It would suck if that was real wouldn't it?
If the god of Abraham was real, things would be a lot worse than they already are. Just people imagining that it is real are making it bad on all of us.
>>753306080
>the truth
don't you mean "your" truth?
>>753305936
when that days come ill personally track you down until then your just a sheep
>inb4 hur dur u is sheep to logic and reason
>>753306080
I know you think that, but how would you feel if a muslim came and told you you had to convert to reach the afterlife?
It's the same situation I'm in except I'm an agnostic atheist, we really have no way of knowing what an afterlife would contain. You being so certain only makes me doubt you more, because you can't know until you go there.
>>753305936
Prove Gods existence. That’s it. Prove it. If u can’t prove it it’s just a state of mind. A belief. Not a truth.
>>753306080
Tell me why God gave anmals emotions, but nt souls. Why can they feel pain. Why were they left under the dominion of what he knew was his cruelest creation.
Those are NOT the acts of a benevolent being.
>>753300043
Nothing...
>>753305293
I would suggest you read what real scholars say about the Council of Nicea
Here's what Bart Ehrman has to say:
https://ehrmanblog.org/category/constantine-and-nicaea/
>>753306265
Wouldn't it suck if it were real? I don't think people really put much thought into this.
>>753306226
top filename, made me chuckle
>god allowed this to happen
>>753306047
Like this dude in pic related?
>>753300043
hell as an eternal punishment is such fucking bullshit, and if God is as great a deity as Christians make him out to be, I'd sure as fuck hope hell isn't actually eternal
>>753306385
>punishes you if you refuse to believe in him
>gives you no evidence whatsoever to make you believe
this is a sure sign of a psychopath.
>>753305304
Really? My sympathies to you. Maybe you should look a little harder.
The evidence for the beginning of the universe.
The evidence for the fine tuning of the universe.
The evidence for objective morality.
The evidence for Jesus of Nazareth.
That might get you started.
>>753306265
Proof of God’s existance: Trump got elected instead of Hillary
>>753305997
>You do realize that the Bible existed well before this
Yes that was my point, before that meeting, what was considered facts about jesus was contested, until they came to an agreement.
>>753306436
Pretty god damn close, yeah. feeling rather shellshocked by his creation myself.
>>753306580
That's proof of people voting and Hillary running a sub par campaign.
>>753305999
>more stupid than me in this regard,
It seems at least I have the better arguments. SO that makes me more STUPID? Right.
>>753306580
fake news
>>753306669
No that’s divine intervention
>>753306580
That only proves there are a lot of stupid fucking people in the country. From the right states anyway. Cause he lost popular vote.
>>753306136
>How can you assert that it couldn't happen by chance
Well. No one has ever observed it. Never. Seems reasonable to no believe it.
>Given all of these, the goldilocks zone is bound to happen within a certain percentage of probability
Yeah, the probability is so hight that it will never happen. Pretty simple.
pointless concept, if you are depressed and can't help yourself maybe it can work for you to gain trust and do something with your life if you want to believe but beside that every debate either he is there or not is fucking pointless. Once we have scientific prove he exist we can believe in him either way waste of time.
there has never been any proper proof of god
>inb4 burning bush with some guy being high as fuck next to it is evidence
>>753300043
He gay
>>753306550
Look at his motherfucking creation for what your senses tell you, really look at it. Look at all of the life he made that ISNT human.
What is their point?
Why do they have emotion?
Why can they feel pain?
Why would he make them in such ways, only to suffer because of us, with no salvation or point?
The only person I see that could make sense of his fuckig plans, in their entirety, would be the fuckig Joker, and Ill not worship such.
If he's real, I doubt he will judge me for not believing in a book written written by humans.
>>753306838
Popular votes don't mean shit when it comes to electoral college votes.
>>753300043
If there is a deity why doesnt he or she assist humanity in its time of need
>>753306580
Thats proof of Keks existence, not Jehovas.
>>753300043
Apparently, God is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. Being omnipresent means that God is literally everywhere and is contained within everything. That means that everything you can see, hear, smell or touch is literally made of God. You are literally made of God. Every subatomic particle in the Universe is God. It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. You and we and everything are God. So probably best just to chill out and be happy. There's nothing to worry about.
>>753306838
I know, that’s exactly right, he lost the popular vote! And the fact that he won despite all of that is a miracle. God still cares about us
>>753306888
true trips confirmed
>>753306930
No shit. That’s what a election is right? Most votes? Electoral system is fucked up.
>>753300043
it's a worn out metaphor that impedes the ability of people I have met to accurately and usefully comprehend the psychedelic experience. Fuck god, as an idea.
Come make fun of tards with us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3GmKeOlt4
>>753300043
I only worships these gods
>>753306849
It's math anon, you don't need to observe it to make a qualified guess.
Look up drakes equation and realize how probable life actually is.
>>753307140
>>753306600
>what was considered facts about jesus was contested,
Really can you produce the documents from the 1st or even the early 2nd century that contested the facts.
Yes, there were contested ideas about Jesus. But the ones stamped out at Nicea and other arose later in the 2nd century. Those that didn't "get" Jesus is the 1st century were centured by the apostles. John, Paul, Peter, etc.
There are even Crazy cults today. Mormans. JW, Armstrongites, etc.
>>753306998
Ok so why would god with all he has to worry about with like the whole universe and all why would he care about some political electionnon one of HIS many hundreds of thousands of stars and planets?? Really? Do you know how fucking stupid that sounds? God is really worried about how the people on this one planet govern themselves? Hahahahahahahahahaha
>>753307257
You're only giving me more support for not believing your religion anon.
The fact that so many people disagree on this, gives me cause not to judge any religion right or wrong before I go the afterlife, if it exists.
>>753307257
youre still trusting essentially what 12 guys who lived at a time when 9 year olds were getting married & lightning was considered gods displeasure said was the truth.
How the fuck wouldTHEY have known? They constantly buried people who werent even dead up until the 1900s, so much that 19th century graves typically had bells for the falsely buried to ring when they woke up.
>>753306899
You make very little sense.
> only to suffer because of us
If we are just organicshit in space, why does suffering even matter?
> and Ill not worship such
Oh so you are the source to measure "right" from. No? Then what is your standard of right?
Just something that people believe in.
>>753307075
Still reminds me of the Dem Wyoming 2016 results where Bernie got the short end of the stick in delegates even though he had the majority of votes..
>mfw
Nothing
>>753306762
Prove that assertion.
Having things go like you want them does not divine intervention make.
>>753307221
>It's math anon, you don't need to observe it to make a qualified guess.
Is that right? No one has observed it and no one has any evidence for it. Wow. You have amazing faith.
>Look up drakes equation and realize how probable life actually is.
I'm familiar with the probability. Like I said it would be a miracle if it ever happened.
God is everything and everyone. God is our universe.
>>753307734
Because if Hillary won we would all be dead
>>753307782
Hahahahahaha god was in that joint I just smoked
>>753307417
>You're only giving me more support for not believing your religion anon.
Don't be mistaken. Humans are the ones that fallible. The historisty of Jesus of Nazareth is undisputed. How people understand him is not.
>>753307803
We'd be fucked for sure, but dead?
why?
>>753307770
We've observed the size of the visible universe and a bunch of solar systems with planet in a similar condition to ours.
You refusing to think that life might exist somewhere else requires more faith than I need to look at solid math and think it looks reasonable.
>>753307961
We didn't have a good recording tech back then, stories went by word of mouth, turning a tiny bass into a whale, how can you claim that Jesus of Nazareth is undisputed?
Heck there is a chunk of the dark ages missing because Charlemagne decided to make up aggrandized stories about himself and people let him because they wanted to live.
>>753307525
>trusting essentially what 12 guys who lived
Seems like it wasn't just 12 guys. At the time when Christainity exploded out Jerusleum, it would have been easy to prove that Jesus was just another dead man in a grave.
>time when 9 year olds were getting married & lightning was considered gods
That shit happens today.
>They constantly buried people who werent even dead up until the 1900s
Right. All they had to do was produce the body of Jesus of Nazareth and it would have all been done.
>>753304404
so how do you know what is right?
>>753308071
>We've observed the size of the visible universe and a bunch of solar systems with planet in a similar condition to ours.
So?
> life might exist somewhere else
Life might exist somewhere else. That's still not good evidence that it can come about randomly.
The solid math says that it would be a miracle.
Jesus just makes me feel good man. The fact of the matter, for me, is that when I live my life the way that Jesus spells it out in the Bible/ gospel- I'm happier, nicer, more productive, more successful, and just a better person overall, and my family is happier too. That's convincing enough for me. Jesus was it, the real deal. He lived the perfect life, and he's the only wizard to cast resurrect on the planet and have enough mana to cast the spell, twice.
>>753308447
That is your interpretation of the math.
There are so many solar systems, that life not forming somewhere else is virtually impossible.
>>753300404
Did you play SMT: Nocturne, too?
If god doesn't exist: then whatever.
If god exists: I would assume, considering what I 'know' that if there really were an all powerful, omniscient being, that it wouldn't be too concerned with what any creature does. I don't think it cares about masturbation, or sexual orientation, or even that we exist. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that 'god' would rightly care about us too terribly much at all. Sure, it's really glad and pretty darn happy about us existing and all, but for the most part, I'm sure it's pretty content just letting us be, and happy to let us live our lives the way we want, however that may be. I don't think it's an egotistical
>'I'M GREAT, WORSHIP ME'
kind of thing, I think it's more of a
>hey, I made everything ever, I hope you like it and have fun with it'
Kind of thing. It wouldn't have any specific gender or form, just what we could possibly conceive it as.
god doesn't care. If we were created in its image, then certainly, it wants to do what it wants, just as we do. And I think, what god wants, is to simply let things be, and watch.
That's how I see god. No capital G
>>753308245
>We didn't have a good recording tech back then, stories went by word of mouth,
Really. Here are 6 facts that modern experts in the field agree on.
1) that Jesus died by crucifixion; 2) that very soon afterwards, his followers had real experiences that they thought were actual appearances of the risen Jesus; 3) that their lives were transformed as a result, even to the point of being willing to die specifically for their faith in the resurrection message; 4) that these things were taught very early, soon after the crucifixion; 5) that James, Jesus’ unbelieving brother, became a Christian due to his own experience that he thought was the resurrected Christ; and 6) that the Christian persecutor Paul (formerly Saul of Tarsus) also became a believer after a similar experience.
>Heck there is a chunk of the dark ages missing because Charlemagne decided to
So? What's that got to do with anything? We don't know how much George Washington weighted when he was born either.
>>753308332
Does it hurt you or others?
Does it limit others in living a free an happy life?
Does it not sit well with your empathy for others?
If any of the answers to these are yes, then it is wrong.
>>753308578
>that life not forming somewhere else is virtually impossible.
Yeah, but the question is: Is it by chance?
>>753308447
Is the universe infinite or finite?
>>753300043
IDGAF
>>753308680
1. many people died by crucifixion.
2. Mass hysteria brought on by the loss of a religious leader couldn't cause this?
3. If they experienced the same delusion, of course it would change their lives, as their shared experience would strengthen their belief.
4. Well the trauma and new dogma would have to be close to have a strong effect on peoples belief.
5. James had just lost a brother, when my beloved childhood cat died, I would see it everywhere in the weeks and months after, only to go "oh yeah, he's gone".
6. Seeing a mass of people suddenly strengthen in belief can affect even the most stalwart man.
The point about Charlemagne is that history is a fickle thing, that is an approximation of what actually happened.
>>753307961
>The historisty of Jesus of Nazareth is undisputed.
It's not undisputed on merit, it's undisputed because christianity has had quite the stranglehold over society since it's rise to prominence. The fact of the matter is that legitimate documentation of jesus christ comes well after his death and it's also a fact that christians have taken it upon themselves to falsify historical documents to better conform to their canon -- an act that simply is unjustifiable and implies if a historical jesus existed, he existed without much note.
Ultimately if christianty never rose to prominence, there would never be a debate on whether there was a historical jesus as no one would've noticed and no one would've cared -- none of it looks good for the idea of a historical jesus, much less a biblical one.
>>753306580
My sister actually believes that. Trump is an anwer to prayers.
>>753308332
This is a good question. Though, I'm not a philosopher, it is hard to discern right from wrong without positing a thing that ascends humanity, i.e. morality, God, science, etc.
>>753308857
>Is the universe infinite or finite?
The universe is finite.
Stephen Hawking said, "All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology. Yet it is now taken for granted."
>>753308773
No, it's dependent on the laws of physics and chemistry.
Those laws came into existence because of the big bang, which both of us have no way of knowing why happened.
Life is a natural progression based on how our universe works and the proper conditions, that exist many places because of how vast our universe is and the finite configurations on how a solar system will find equilibrium.
>>753309231
well according to god it's right to own slaves as long as they're not from the same country as you, and it's ok to marry a woman of a man you killed as long as you make her shave her head and wait a month before you marry her.
>>753309282
Well yeah, but the universe is nothing more than a bubble in the infinite sea of multiverse.
the multiverse is infinite in every direction.
>>753308680
1. Only evidence that attests to this is the biblical account which is hardly an unbiased source considering the topic of debate -- of course christians believe Jesus died on the cross. The debate isn't whether or not christians believe this. The debate is whether or not jesus actually existed and the bible doesn't prove it to be the case.
2. Irrelevant. Again, the debate isn't about how passionately followers of christ believe it. The argument is whether or not jesus really existed. Besides, it wouldn't be the first time the faithful have been mistaken, clearly a christian is assured that everyone else that doesn't share their particular brand of faith are mistaken, so it is not inconceivable that those with strong conviction in their faith can be mistaken.
3. Irrelevant. The faithful die for their beliefs all the time. Heaven's Gate did -- everyone thinks they were loonies. Clearly just because someone believes in something dearly and with zeal does not make their beliefs true even if they're willing to die for them.
4. Nope. No reason to assume they were taught then and not prior other than on the say so of the believers.
5 and 6. Irrelevant. The bible no more proves the historicity of Jesus than a comic book discovered excavated 3,000 years in the future under the rubble of the ruins of present day NYC proves the existence of Spider-Man.
>>753300043
I think God is an egotistical, self-absorbed chick with abandonment and trust issues. Her first born left her mere moments after being born and continually leads a movement to bash her teachings. If I was a parent I would be pretty hurt, too. Then thousands of years later her youngest child lived a pretty great life on earth until the Romans killed him in fear and spite. This traumatized her youngest child now he never leaves the house. For the past few years she's been juggling blaming herself for the state of the world, her youngest son, or the dirty Romans that killed him.
>>753309136
>1. many people died by crucifixion.
Right
>2. Mass hysteria brought on by the loss of a religious leader couldn't cause this?
So
>3. If they experienced the same delusion, of course it would change their lives, as their shared experience would strengthen their belief.
According to psychologist, hallucinations aren't experienced by groups. You would have to provide evidence that the apostles and the non-apostles were deluded.
>4. Well the trauma and new dogma would have to be close to have a strong effect on peoples belief.
So?
>5. James had just lost a brother, when my beloved childhood cat died, I would see it everywhere in the weeks and months after, only to go "oh yeah, he's gone".
Yeah... maybe so but your cat didn't eat diner with you or let you stick your finger in his wounds. How do you account for the others who saw him?
>6. Seeing a mass of people suddenly strengthen in belief can affect even the most stalwart man.
So?
Those are the facts that the experts believe to be true. Atheist, Christian, Agnostic alike. It's your job to come up with a reasonable explanation for which you have failed so far.
>The point about Charlemagne is that history is a fickle thing, that is an approximation of what actually happened.
Right. Yet, we have criteria to measure good history by. Do you know what that criteria is?
>>753309160
>It's not undisputed on merit
Really? Can you provide an list of more than 2 experts in the field that dispute it?
>Ultimately if christianty never rose to prominence
Yes, but it did.
>>753309410
What does science or the bible say about obeying unjust laws?
Check out the case for Christ. Lee Stroble already did the legwork.
>>753309332
>No, it's dependent on the laws of physics and chemistry.
Ok. Got any lab results?
>laws came into existence because of the big bang
What caused the big bang? When can deduct based on evidence and logic.
>universe works and the proper conditions
How did those proper conditions come about?
>>753309470
>bubble in the infinite sea of multiverse
Do you have any evidence for that? Even the multiverse has to have a cause. According to the BGV theorem.
>>753310188
I have looked at the evidence myself. There is no particularly compelling reason to believe that a historical jesus existed unless:
1. Your job hinges on it.
2. You're a devoted believer already.
You have historians who are christians and aren't going to take a stand on the issue. You have historians who're, in essence, bullied into being unduly charitable to the idea of a historical jesus or else they're out of a job and you want "experts" when it's plain as day that all legitimate documentation of a historical jesus comes decades after his alleged death.
Ultimately it's no skin off my nose if a historical jesus existed because it doesn't really matter too much one way or the other, however it is plainly obvious that the evidence for a historical jesus is tenuous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it, which is why the whole deal is a matter of faith and not fact.
>>753310434
You left out
>which both of us have no way of knowing why happened.
from the big bang part anon, a bit disingenuous of you.
And the proper conditions come about based on the mass, amount of stars and material in the given solar system. Which actually is ruled by chance.
But there is a finite amount of ways solar systems can form based on gravity and materials available.
So out of a given number of solar system, x amount will be able to sustain life.
>>753310782
I disagree with your statement based on my own findings of the exact opposite nature.
>>753300043
If he was the "designer", he's not very intelligent. This place is fucked up.
>>753310782
Or you're running for election.
>>753309999
I'm trying to give you valid alternative to what might have happened. I have as little chance of definitively disprove the veracity of christianity as you have of proving it.
And for the miracles you mention, where are the miracles today and why aren't they being recorded and examined?
>>753300043
Allah*
>>753309882
> hardly an unbiased source
So? Biased sources can have historicity. Ask any historian
>bible doesn't prove it to be the case.
The NT has historical reliability. Ask any historian
>The argument is whether or not jesus really existed.
Yep. Virtually every expert in the field believes that he did.
>faithful have been mistaken
People are mistaken all the time. So what? That doesn't mean they are now or then about Jesus.
>strong conviction in their faith can be mistaken
So what?
>The faithful die for their beliefs all the time.
Yeah. People don't for what they know to be a lie.
>Heaven's Gate did
Tricked by a single person. An analogy to the apostles and the early Christians is not valid.
>No reason to assume they were taught then
It's not an assumption. We know when Pauls letters were wrote.
>The bible no more proves the historicity of Jesus than a comic book
You really think trained historian can't tell the difference between a comic book and journalism.
>>753310969
What findings?
The only documents of jesus at the time of jesus is the bible itself -- an obviously biased source. If Mohammad turned out to be a fictional character concocted by the Islamic faith, do you think the Quran would be inclined to tell you that? No. They have a vested interest in maintaining their social order. If he is a lie, it's paramount that the lie continue. Ergo one needs sources outside of christianity to prove a historical jesus and the earliest accounts come in after his death.
It is, in essence, one believes that the bible is being honest in at least that a jesus existed and there is no particularly compelling reason to assume the bible is an honest account unless one is already a believer.
Am I wrong?
I don’t believe in god
>>753310782
>There is no particularly compelling reason to believe that a historical jesus existed unless
Great. We've found the expert that everyone should listen to. HAHA
>>753311312
>The NT has historical reliability. Ask any historian
That doesn't mean it is 100% accurate. It can't be, it contradicts itself in several sections. But it does prove it isn't divinely inspired if it has inaccuracies and contradictions.
I'm ambivalent about it, and I think he's (she's? it's?) ambivalent.
>>753311078
>I'm trying to give you valid alternative
It's easy. All you have to do is give me the evidence. Not faith-based statements. I'll be happy to provide evidence for my beliefs.
>And for the miracles you mention, where are the miracles today and why aren't they being recorded and examined?
Actually, there is some scholarship on these sorts of things. I'm more of a science guy, so I don't know much about it. My arguments tend to by evidential or philosophical, not metaphysical.
>>753311865
>t's easy. All you have to do is give me the evidence. Not faith-based statements.
Right back atcha mate, if you can prove the existence of the christian god and the veracity of christianity I'll join you. I've yet to see any such evidence though and discussing theology is a hobby of mine.
If christianity is real, miracles by extension must be real as well, if you can prove a miracle to me that can't be explained by anything other than god, you've got a convert.
>>753300043
High entropy.
>>753311371
Tacitus, Josephus
It's all subjective of whether or not YOU deem it credible. But experts who devote their lives to it deem it credible... soooo id rather side with them than some faggot on 4chan.
>>753311575
>That doesn't mean it is 100% accurate
No one claimed that it was 100% accurate. Real scholars take into account the type of literature they are reading.
>it contradicts itself in several sections
That's not out of the realm of possibility. Chances are the so-called contradiction you are thinking of aren't. A document with contradictions can be valuable and historical.
>does prove it isn't divinely inspired if it has inaccuracies and contradictions.
No it doesn't. The NT and the OT were written by men from their perspective to the people of that time and yes inspired by God to deliver a particular message. And even so, we don't have the signature documents.
>>753311312
>So? Biased sources can have historicity. Ask any historian
>The NT has historical reliability. Ask any historian
>Yep. Virtually every expert in the field believes that he did.
This is correct, however the problem is so can fiction. The reason is that fiction can reference real things that really exist(ed). Look at this image. Look at it. It is Obama and Spider-man. Does the fact that the image feature Obama make Spider-man a real life person? Does it prove his spider powers? No. It doesn't.
The problem with your argument is that you're arguing in favor of a historical jesus where the very source you cite is suspect.
>People are mistaken all the time. So what? That doesn't mean they are now or then about Jesus.
The point is there is no good reason outside of the bible to assume a historical jesus existed.
>So what (if conviction and faith can be misplaced)?
It means that just because someone dies for their believes doesn't make the believes true -- the apostles don't prove a historical jesus.
>Yeah. People don't (die) for what they know to be a lie.
But they can be mistaken, which is the point. Death for a believe is no evidence of them dying for a lie or dying for the truth. It is simply evidence of them dying.
>Tricked by a single person. An analogy to the apostles and the early Christians is not valid.
It wasn't an analogy to the apostles or christians. It was a demonstration that zeal that leads to death clearly doesn't mean that they died for the truth. Dying for a belief is simply evidence of dying.
>It's not an assumption. We know when Pauls letters were wrote.
The assumption is based on the biblical account or on those who already believe. The assumption is on your part as you assume the sources can be trusted when they're suspect.
>You really think trained historian can't tell the difference between a comic book and journalism.
I'll get back to this one.
>>753300043
All praise unto the ever glorious Lord our God Jesus Christ.
>>753300043
Who?
>>753311312
Alright.
>You really think trained historian can't tell the difference between a comic book and journalism.
You completely misinterpreted what I said, let's try again:
Say the world comes to the brink of annihilation. Society crumbles and it has to start again. 3,000 years in the future from now, society has rebuilt much of what it's lost. Maybe by then they have numerous historical sources that a real life city called New York City existed. They eventually find where it was located and begin excavation. When they conduct their dig, eventually they find a comic book about Spider-man web-slinging across the city fighting crime in the old city. Now, these people know very little about our civilization. Depending on how ruinous our end was they might have little to no understanding of how advanced our technology actually was. They might think that we actually did have a method of making super-humans before our demise and this comic book would be taken as circumstantial evidence to that effect. The only reason you can blame them for doing so is because you have the knowledge of living and existing in our society in which we already know spider-man is a work of fiction, just like everyone alive at the time of jesus would know whether or not for sure such a historical figure actually existed. Unfortunately their knowledge is lost to us, just like our knowledge would be lost to these hypothetical people of the future.
Get it?
>>753301248
What about the prophecies fulfilled and the miracle of being and creation?
>>753312122
>prove the existence of the christian god
You do realize that you can't PROVE God. My position is that the belief in God is more reasonable than the opposite.
>any such evidence though and discussing theology
Evidence for God has been around for a long time. At least starting with Aristotle. You are behind the times.
>theology is a hobby of mine.
I bet you are a terrible theologian.
>christianity is real, miracles by extension must be real as well
You mean if Christianity is true.
>can prove a miracle to me that can't be explained by anything other than god,
Well, I don't think you can prove a miracle. But we can look at the evidence. Without the acceptance of the metaphysical, then you could never accept a miracle no matter how good the evidence.
The greatest miracle was the beginning of the Universe.
>>753312812
Prophecies have a way of being fulfilled with time, divine influence or not.
The universe is indeed incredible and beautiful, but I see no evidence for creation that can't be explained with how the laws of physics came to be after the big bang. What caused the big bang is up to debate, but I need concrete proof of a specific creator deity to believe in it.
>>753312264
>Tacitus
Born: 58 AD
Death of Jesus: 30 - 33 AD
>Josephus
Born: 37 AD
Death of Jesus: 30 - 33 AD
If God is real he is a dick so fuck him.
If God isnt real who gives a shit?
What he gonna do? Erase me? Burn me for eternity? Woooow. Scary. There are people that live with that shit here on earth every day and they dont let ut ruin them. Ill be fine and happy out of spite. Fuck em straight to heaven.
>>753312956
Then we are at an impasse.
If you can provide me no solid evidence other than what you find most reasonable, we just have to agree to disagree.
Don't get me wrong, you might be right, but that'll be my ass once I die and I'm willing to take that wrap if it comes.
But then again, how hard can it be, if god is real, he created me like this and can't be surprised at my stance.
>>753303008
It's an ontological argument.
As in logic, identity, induction, etc can only exist in a universe where the fundamental principle is personal; in other words a reality with God.
>>753311453
Evidently considering.
I'm absolutely exhausted. I keep on garbling my posts because I'm exhausted.
I'm still making better arguments and points than my opposition. This is sad.
>>753304922
It also says that judgment is God's alone.
All it really says is that these people would eventually die.
>>753308660
Obviously it just wants things to be because it has yet to fly down in the middle of the super bowl and give a speech on the 50 yard line about the meaning of life
>>753305247
XD
>Global warming
>Pharmaceutical industry
>out of Africa
>Chemical farming
as far as your religion reference, I believe you are referring specifically to Islam. You'd be right, in that case.
>>753313274
You wouldn't be able to tell otherwise. You don't have a separate universe to peer into that didn't have a god governing it to see if it was any different.
It's like the problem with math: the math is only as good as the variables it represents.
>>753313078
So any book written today about history shouldn't be taken as fact?
Like I said. These sources are accepted by most experts and historians as solid basis for fact. You are an anon, and not an expert. The fact that even 40 years after the crucifiction there was somebody writing about Jesus makes enough sense to me. If someone were to start saying today that Vietnam never happened I'd call them a fucking retard.
So where is the disconnect of this not clicking with you? If it's because the texts that WERE written about him at that time are in the new testement, well then that's on you for not believing.
>>753313274
you've done nothing except assert god without demonstration. Typical shit
>>753313038
Lol it wasn't Baal's God that was known to all nations, it wasn't Apollo's mom who was called blessed by the nations.
Familiarise yourself with Bible prophecy before you assume you know wtf you're talking about.
Also the big bang doesn't explain shit, it's illogical and has no evidence. Even particle physics is saying the universe came into being through some sort of replication process ie creation.
>>753312330
>The problem with your argument is that you're arguing in favor of a historical jesus where the very source you cite is suspect.
Pretty sure that the PhD historian who believe that Jesus existed have a more reliable opinion than you.
There is plenty of non-biblical evidence for Christ.
>The point is there is no good reason outside of the bible to assume a historical jesus existed.
Just not true all. Otherwise, virtually no scholar would think so. Whereas virtually every scholar does.
>the apostles don't prove a historical jesus.
Virtually every expert in the field disagrees with you.
>But they can be mistaken, which is the point.
Probably not that many people can be mistaken.
>It was a demonstration that zeal that leads to death
This argument does nothing. Rhetoric.
>you assume the sources can be trusted when they're suspect
Not my assumption alone. Virtually every scholar in the world agrees with it. Paul is reliable. Bottom line. Get over it.
>>753313684
Exactly- empiricism is false out of the gate because math and logic itself require assumptions.
These things need some sort of medium to operate in and it's not just the b human mind because it's perfect and present in all things.
>>753300043
There is a God. Most believers get it.
If you don't want it, you just don't.
God is okay with your right to goof-off.
But believers have no problem with the question posed by OP.
>>753300043
Like this thread a waste of time
>>753300043
He killed my Mom and Grandma this year... I'm not happy with him.
Literally creator and destroyer of the universe.
>>753312718
>Get it?
Funny. Apparently, you have never read a Spider-Man comic. They also find a copy or Archie and Casper the Ghost.
>>753313996
>Also the big bang doesn't explain shit, it's illogical and has no evidence.
It explains the current state of the universe. The universe has existed in it's current state for a finite time. The universe is also expanding. Hence we can conclude it is was once smaller than it was now. Hence we trace it back to a finite point from which the universe is expanding from.
Welcome to modern cosmology, you tard
>>753313996
Ah thank you anon, acting condescending is just what I needed to remember how most christians react being told they might be wrong.
It also takes some of that righteous bluster out of you display you as a flawed human like everyone else, including me.
I'll go with what can be proven and deal with the afterlife when I meet it.
Fake and gay
>>753302240
>Why is this a shithole and how are we festering?
Overpopulation, we have to feast on other sentient beings just to survive, child mortality, car accidents, earthquakes, the bubonic plague, lots of stuff... They all seem so bizarre and hard to understand. It's not like they have a purpose. Some idiots say they are sure there's a purpose to all of this shit, but I'm not sure they know what they're talking about. Maybe they're just arrogant, preaching as if they're wise.
>>753306226
For anyone who has been curious about what exactly "Satanism" is, you're looking at it.
Satanism is the perversion of Christianity. Mocking it. This picture is a perfect example of satanism.
If you study Christianity, you'll see it is a rulebook on how to live a good life and live healthy wealthy and wise.
You don't even have to believe in God. Go ahead and maintain your skepticism. Just read The Bible as an anthropologist and read into the stories. Think about what you've been reading and how it applies to your life and the rest of the world. See if it makes sense. See if things make more sense through that lens.
The concept of Christian God defines itself as "The way, the truth, and the light." See if you find a path in it that is sound, see if you can find truth in the general message, and see if it illuminates some of the confusion of modern-life.
Also remember to think about the specifics in their application to circumstance. Are they living in the wilderness? What practices are necessary to maintain health and stability of a culture and community when no antibiotics are available, many people are living in close proximity, and consistent cleanliness and health are impossible?
"Thru the Bible Radio Network" has a very good "read-along" of The Bible in its entirety. The reader covers each passage thoughtfully and encourages the listener to think about what is written. He also provides some insight and historical background to arguments surrounding the passages covered.
I'm a Christian and have become so over a long process of debate and thought. I welcome all arguments because I used to make them myself until I felt they were sufficiently defeated in verbal or written combat.
>>753313712
Like I've said, all evidence outside of the bible, outside of christianity, for a historical jesus comes from well after his alleged death. Both Tacitius and Josephus were born after, they couldn't possibly have witnessed jesus. They're both a second-hand source that only would've had access to other second-hand sources.
Where is your source outside of the bible and outside of christianity of a historical jesus during his life? Oh wait. There is none. There is only the bible itself.
It is for these reasons why the evidence for a historical jesus is tenuous. It is not impossible for a historical jesus to exist, but there is *no good reason* to believe it.
>>753313249
> no solid evidence
The evidence is overwhelming. We can PROVE very few things outside of math.
Kalam Cosmological Argument
Argument from Design
Moral Argument
ETC and Blah Blah
Don't get trapped in Scientism.
>he created me like this and can't be surprised at my stance.
He created you with free will. Being a skeptic is ok. I'm a skeptic. Being a denier is the problem.
Take some wisdom from Scooby and watch Zombie Island. You might get it.
But really. I dig talking to guys like you. You are cool as far as I'm concerned.
>>753314228
Read your Bible. It frames death in a way that brings peace to many who have suffered a loss.
It helped me.
>>753313285
Seems to me. I'm making the better the arguments. I can't speak for anyone else.
>>753314866
Arguments are not evidence. Arguments require evidence and demonstration to be held as valid and plausible.
I suggest you expand your worldview and find people who are critical of your positions.