Was the holocaust greatly exaggerated?
I've never given it much thought, but I've been thinking about it recently and was trying to find some evidence for both sides.
It makes sense for it to be exaggerated as Israel can play the victim card even when they are committing crimes of their own (which they do), but i'm unsure as to what extent.
Has anyone got any evidence for either side that can help me formulate an opinion.
>pic unrelated
>>753166271
You're a fucking retard. It is literally the single best documented event in the 20th century.
Yes, just do some research in the amount of crematoriums and ovens at any of the death camps, research how long it takes for a body to be fully cremated, how many people they said died and were cremated at those camps and in what time period and calculate how long it would’ve taken to cremate them all
>>753166271
yes it is, only a dumbass would think its 100% accurate
strange how all those fortifications, the V1 and V2 bombings were all built by "gassed" jews incredible how they can build shit like that under forced labor being supposedly dead and all...
Dear 4chan
in the last time i see many threads like "Holocaust isnt happened" threads popping up.
this is just trolling.
dont feed the troll.
thank you
>>753166630
What was their capacity for cremation? What percentage were buried in mass graves? Because obviously it's going to take time to cremate that many people one by one. Not sure if that's what you're implying though.
>>753166613
But there is no evidence of any signed papers from Hitler ordering any such thing? There are a lot of things that don't add up
>>753166792
How is this a troll? I'm asking for evidence on both sides. You stupid fucking prat
>>753166271
That ass tho...
>>753166813
Research it, it was different for the various camps and increased over time according to the official story as they built more crematoriums and “cremation pits”.
A people were held captive starved and slaughtered and you say that is exaggeration? Get off of isis cock. If you are going to be racial just be racial, dont try and say crimes are committed history didnt happen that is why i hate them. Also look at the countries that hate Jews; Japan Germany Russia Syria Iran North Korea nations that are always about war destruction and killing for no reason really. Where as Europe America Canada and Australia all back Israel and use war as a final stage in efforts to try to avoid war at all costs.
>>753166613
>single best documented event
Literally no documentation of it ever occurring
>>753166613
>>753166813
No mass graves were ever found, and all we have as "evidence" is the lies of jews. We have 50 year olds claiming they survived 6 death camps, masturbation machines, mails through the head, and rollercosters that dump hundreds of bodies into ovens. It's all bullshit, so fuck you.
Yeah, there probably weren't even 6 million jews in Europe. It is childishly overblown by hollywood Jews considering that the real numbers still leave it as a terrible tragedy where hundreds of thousands of people were basically murdered. But knowing it's that way I can't help but care a little less about it every time it becomes 6 gorillion jews more than the entire population of earth and with stupid stories like they were chased into pools of acid or raped by dogs or tortured in any way that was elaborate or costly.
200-300k deaths, Mengle was real, beyond that it's simply the panic of being kept in a camp by force without explanation. Can you imagine the rumor mill that could get going when the answer to everything is "shut up Jew"? Some of the shit people claim they remember is downright cartoonish and so obviously made up, meanwhile I think most of the deaths were from typus and dysentery but the germans are no less responsible for those deaths than we are the same situation in Japanese internment. We didn't intend to kill the interned Japanese but they started to die concentration camp deaths anyway and it could be argued concentration camps are just a way to murder people basically with their own pee and poo.
Meanwhile the germans are still unable to stop being absolutist as shit and you're cheering them on while they not only rule europe with a gilded fist but punish everyone who fought against their moral rectitude. For all we know it will become EU policy to kill "racists" and by the time that action becomes unpopular Germany will have outed itself as monstrous once again.
Basically the problem with germany is germans
>>753166271
Hitler happened, he is history the end.
>>753167287
JIDF on full alert
>>753167287
lol, you're so fucking stupid. The holohoax didn't happen.
>>753167326
What do those numbers mean?
>>753167287
Judaism is a race now guys
So is are mexicans apparently
Try sitting through a three hour tour at the museum of tolerance. Shit is mind numbing.
>>753167492
The number of people that died at each camp. Most died of disease and later starvation because the supply lines were cut. Less than 300,000, including jews, poles, gypsies, etc died in the so called holocaust.
>>753166271
Holocaust did indeed happen, and Jew numbers are exaggerated and they aren't 100% sure how many died. As anyone not just Jews were sent to the camps if you didn't support Hitler. Lots of gypsies as well we're gassed. Jews were the biggest group but a lot of the millions they throw around a good portion could of not even been jewish
>/pol/acks at it again
go back to /mlp/ you fags we're here to rate dicks, do ylyl challenges and lie to ourselves about our sexuality
>>753166792
>Dear 4chan
>in the last time i see many threads like "Holocaust isnt happened" threads popping up.
>this is just trolling.
>dont feed the troll.
>thank you
Fuck off,
>>753167566
Any citations on the image?
>>753167521
And America is actually mexico and blacks built it all.
>>753167017
No shit Sherlock. Hitler tried to keep at as quiet in the public eye as possible (and yes obviously word got out anyways) . They didn’t have the internet back then, and despite how we rightfully vilify the Nazi party, it makes perfect sense to try and contain what they were doing to a need to know basis, and to keep as little documentation as possible, and to ensure that documentation used codewords. This also served the purpose of making it harder for Jewish sympathizers within the Nazi ranks to show Jews clearly what’s going on.
“But look, maybe they won’t kill us, it says nothing here on this document about killing us, it just says they’re going to resettle us east” -Many now dead Jews
>>753167577
Jews were contained because they had previously attempted a civil war overthrow of Germany capitalising on the damage and instability during/following ww1.
Any sane country would be done the same thing
>>753167759
Yeah, it's a German document stating the total number of deaths. What do you want, Hitler's signature on it saying "Do Better"? Where are the citations for your 6 million figure?
>>753166271
Let me explain why HItler and the Germans still scare people to this day. He said he was gong to kill jews and invade Russia. And that's exactly what he did. He didn't lie. That terrifies people. I am German, I think what we did was right, just nowadays it wouldn't be jews. It would be muslims and blacks. And probably still jews.
It fucking happened. Oh yes.
>>753167791
This doesn't make sense considering Hitler never even considered that they wouldn't win, and they had what was believed to be an unbreakable code system.
>>753167791
Good point, but may other things also don't add up, such as no mass graves ever being found.
I read somewhere that the number of supposed Jew deaths exceeded the global population of jews at the time.
>>753167888
Wow you watched a documentary that mentioned Enigma. Teach us oh great scholar.
>>753167791
Funny how the stupid nazis were so clever that any evidence that they were doing what you say was so perfectly covered up. Also very interesting that the only evidence that exists today is the words of people who were supposedly there. A population that seems to grow bigger and bigger as the years go on.
>>753167843
No need to be a dick, and saying it's a German document isn't a citation. I'm looking for reputable evidence is all
>>753167893
Why would they need graves if they burned all the bodies?
>>753167937
That was a poor attempt at distraction.
They believed it was unbreakable, and never thought it was possible to lose the war.
Why would they message using codewords in already coded messages?
>>753167326
>No mass graves were ever found
You're kidding, right? Holy shit, anon.
>>753168011
It is said that before the concentration camps were set up, they were executed and mass buried.
>>753167998
Either is some some 40 year old jew telling stories about being gassed 6 million times and escaping. If there is no evidence to support the jewish claims, why believe them either?
>>753167962
Like jewskin furniture, masturbation death machines and underground rollercoasters of doom.
>>753168043
Where are there mass graves? Where are piles and piles of jew bones? No excavation or ground radar research has ever shown such things to exist, and conveniently the jews have all but outlawed any research in the future.
>>753166271
History is written by the victor.
What would western society have to gain for making Nazi Germany the most evil government ever with no redeemable qualities?
Spoiler alert... the fucked up world we have today.
Follow the rabbit.
>>753166271
there is something called a record
germans like to keep records
one of those records is called a census
it keeps track of people who exist
if you compare the census of euro countries under nazi control, you can figure out who weren't there no more
many scholars have done the research and it amounts to between 5 and 6 million
the nazis: actually not good
>the more you know
>>753167326
masturbation machines..?
>>753168223
Care to show those records? Because they don't exist and you're full of shit. There weren't 6 million jews in all of Europe that that time.
No wonder it's so easy to make gullible, dumb faggots like you believe anything and let shitskins invade your countries.
>>753168223
I don't think that basic math can be any sort of compelling evidence. Especially with something as fallible as that.
Fake? Probably not. Exaggerated? Definitely.
>>753168159
Fuck off nazi cunt.
>>753168401
debate me cunt.
>>753168401
lol, and a wild antifaggot appears!
55-80 million people died from ww2. Muh 6 million shit is old
>>753166271
>>753166613
Yes, and those excellent documents show that the real death toll was closer to half of what the jews said it was. Unfortunately this led a lot of people to believe that must have never happened at all, and everyone else to kneejerk against THOSE people and insist that the whole thing happened verbatim, so now it's impossible to discuss what really happened without looking like a nazi sympathizer.
>>753168314
If you look into older material written by Jews about the holocaust say 1960-1990 it contains cartoonish, absurd claims probably placed there to sell books. /pol/'s favorite is the tiny underground rollercoaster that literally tips jews, alive, into a secret underground incinerator when it reaches the end because it is basically a rubber hose animation style war cartoon they would make without changing a fucking thing.
1/5
>>753168577
Odd how they use the term "nazi", a slur made up by the Russians and never officially referring to any organization.
>>753168685
don't bother with the other four, all this has been disproved.
>>753166613
>best documented
It is well documented, but the single best documented event of the century? Nonsense.
>>753168401
Thats what I thought you pussy.
>>753168773
lol
>>753168685
4/5 muh 2mb size limit
>None of the camps freed by the US were death camps
>All of the death camps were found by the Soviets
Really makes you think
>>753168841
5/5
>>753168773
Oh shit! Well if you say so man. I'd better delete them.
>>753168821
>It is well documented
It's documented by hearsay and unsubstantiated claims. To listen to the jews, every death in WWII was a jew murdered in cold blood by the Germans. It's all nonsense.
>>753168388
They did try to shoot them all at first, but actually didnt have the ammo to continue this method. This way of killing also had a severe emotional effect on the soldiers.
One of the reasons they used gas in chambers was so that the soldiers didnt have to directly do the killing themselves.
There are plenty of documentaries where german ww2 veterans tell you their stories... try watching some of them.
>>753168938
No, I don't figure you will delete them. You'll just continue making a fool of yourself.
What about this 1942 list of Jewish populations in European countries from a Nazi conference? Did they really kill every single Jew outside of Russia?
>>753168928
My grandfather was with the 71st (US) when they liberated Gunskirchen Lager.
>>753168981
>One of the reasons they used gas in chambers
They didn't use gas chambers. You're a gullible retard.
wow, 4chan is full of kikes now
An insane amount of scholarly research had been carried out, using a variety of methodology, to arrive at the estimate of 5-6 million.
You are dumb as fuck to question it.
>>753166271
>implying i would eat an assburger
>>753168994
How could I not delete them? You said it yourself:
>all this has been disproved.
That's all the evidence I need! If I can't take your word for it, here of all places, what kind of investigator would I be?
>>753169175
It has been disproved. You just look like a moron posting debunked nonsense. Stay mad as fuck jewboi.
>>753169156
So everyone should eat up exactly what they are told, no questions? Shut up you fucking retard
>>753167893
What's this then?
>>753169240
Have you got any disproving evidence?
>>753169156
>An insane amount of scholarly research had been carried out
>none of it actually proves anything
>don't question me
lol, spoken like a true authoritarian asstard.
>>753169282
You mean like the garbage you posted?
>>753169278
a few hundred typhus victims.
>>753169337
>>753169282
I'm not the person who commented those pictures, I'm OP
>>753169370
Then try reading your own thread.
>>753169402
What a cop out
>>753169337
That wasn't him, it was me. I'm just laughing at your flat counterassertion that you expect us all to accept the more you repeat it.
Better say it a third time, that will do it for sure. Don't say who it was disproved by, or where, or even give an outline of their points. Just baldly state "it has been disproved."
Maybe use caps or greentext this time for extra emphasis!
>>753168329
here, let me post a picture of the entire census of multiple countries
oh
wait
that's not possible
but do you know what is possible?
researchers reviewing the records, publishing summaries in peer-reviewed papers, citing where they got their numbers so that anyone can verify them, even sadmad neo-nazis, and them having never been refuted
>>753168372
you just said that math is not compelling evidence. wew
>bunch of posts saying there weren't 6 million jews in europe
this is demonstrably wrong. the wannsee protocal (the meeting to figure out where the jews were and how to exterminate them) found that there were 11 million jews in europe, 5 million in the USSR, and 3 million in ukraine.
>>753168997
the nazis invaded russia, what do you think they did to the jews they came upon?
>>753169472
I said that basic math wasn't compelling evidence, before - after from a census isn't compelling. Are you special?
>>753169278
Belsen wasn’t a death camp. Lots of people died there, but they weren’t gassed.
Need the same to happen in the middle east now.
>>753168425
It’s almost as if these quotes come from two different people
>>753166271
Holocaust did not happen
>>753169453
>>753169589
Looks like dead Jews in a mass grave though. Is your point that Jews weren't killed or that they weren't killed by gas chambers? My point was that there are mass graves filled with Jews, not that they were killed in any specific way.
>>753169472
>here, let me post a picture of the entire census of multiple countries
>oh
>wait
>that's not possible
Why is that impossible? It would literally be a few lines of text and numbers. Sure it might be difficult to find all the numbers, but thankfully the Nazis already did that for us in 1942. See >>753168997
Okay, so they killed all the Jews in Europe as well as Jews in Russia? So why is the number thrown around always "6 million Jews died in muh holocaust" and not 11 million?
>>753169576
it wouldn't be compelling if it weren't also supported by
>architectural remains of death camps
>thousands of survivors who corroborate the story
>the admission under oath by many nazis after the war
>many documents showing the planning and execution of a plan to exterminate jews
>photographs
>film
once you have all that, if you want to figure out the overall number, i challenge you to think of a better way than comparing census data, and normalizing it for the rate of natural death at the time.
>>753169992
they obviously didn't kill all the jews
the point is that some people here say there weren't 6 million jews in all of europe, so the 6 million figure can't be correct - but there were more than that in nazi germany
for a summary of the census data, here is from the 1933 world almanac
and I will post 1948 in th next post
>>753169992
How can you be sure that these bodies are only jews ?
>>753169992
>>753170206
here is 1948
has anybody ever rolled trips while claiming the holocaust happened?
no, therefore it isn't true
>>753169472
>Photograph
People starved. Typhus and starvation were a thing back in the day, no gas does that. Everyone was starving in Germany when the allies fucked all the supply routes
>>753166271
Read a history book dipshit. Class education theses days.
>>753170221
they probably aren't
the nazis also systematically exterminated 5 million:
homosexuals (5k to 15k)
gypsies/romani (1.5m)
twins (for experminatation)
people in mental hospitals (300k - this actually predated the holocaust by 2 years - see the T4 euthanasia program)
priests (about 3k)
>protip: the nazis were, and i know i'm repeating myself here, assholes
If 'compelling' evidence was produced (it has), it would be rubbished anyway (it is routinely).
If a single document pricing the Holocaust was produced it would be cast aside as a forgery.
Playing this game is easy. Sadly though, for the swivel-eyed, slack jawed deniers among us, the real world isn't interested in their denial.
If you want to be taken seriously you should undertake your own research, outlining your methodologies and defend it in peer review against historians. But they won't do that. It's far easier to spout bullshit in the far corners of the internet and post the odd jpg as 'evidence', add if the way of the idiotic conspiranoid.
>>753166271
Does it really matter? Genocide is the same whether it was 6 thousand or 6 million.
The numbers of dead are taken from Nazi documents, so if anyone exaggerated the numbers it was the Nazis themselves.
>>753166613
Absolutely, it is. And the documents clearly say 2.4 million were killed in the camps.
>>753166271
For one, there weren't "6,000,000 Jews" exterminated in concentration camps. There were, however, 6,000,000 people that died, maybe 1,000,000 of which were Jews.
>>753170540
wut
>>753170206
>there were more than [six million Jews] in nazi germany
Your census literally shows 510,000 Jews in Germany in 1933.
>>753166630
>>753166813
Official documents claim 40,000 bodies were burned each day in each oven the size of an average household oven. Look at your oven in your kitchen. Could you burn 40,000 bodies in there in one day? Something is wrong with the official claims.
>>753170206
>>753170244
>1933
>15 million Jews in Europe
>1948
>15 million Jews in Europe
MUH HOLOCAUST
>>753170811
most of the jews killed during the holocaust were east european, mostly polish
god damn, everybody knows that
>>753167791
No... I'm asking about INTERNAL documents. Not documents distributed to the public.
How did Hitler issue an order without an internal document?
>>753168578
https://www.reddit.com/r/holocaust/comments/38sm14/never_forget_auschwitzs_rollercoaster_of_death/
>>753169451
You haven't presented any verifiable evidence either Moshe.
>>753169278
Funny how we can't find those mass graves today.
Almost like that picture was taken somewhere else.
>>753167888
Not sure how claiming they had what was believed to be an unbreakable code system works against what I’ve said. If anything that only further demonstrates my argument. Additionally, as I said, measures weren’t taken explicitly for the purpose of “in case we lose”, but to claim Hitler never even considered they wouldn’t win is an unfalsifiable claim.
>>753167893
http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/about/institute/killing_sites_catalog.asp
Not sure why you think a single mass grave hasn’t been found. I would like to ask what steps you take in researching this topic.
>>753167962
Well it’s not funny because that isn’t the case. They certainly did not perfectly cover it up. Testimony is also not the only evidence; ot without a finely crafted conspiracy theory to justify dismissing all evidence other than testimony at least. There’s also matter of where testimony is coming from. When you have testimony coming from people and verifying claims when it works against them, or at the very least wouldn’t benefit them, that means something. This is well understood by historians who sometimes have nothing other than testimony to go off in more ancient times. There are tons of accounts from Germans and what they witnessed, SS Soliers of all ranks, etc. it isn’t just Jews who made assertions of the atrocities. You even have Himmler in the Posen speeches saying outright
>“We will never speak of it publicly . . . I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. The Jewish race is being exterminated—that is clear, it’s in our program–elimination of the Jews and we’re doing it, exterminating them . . . This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written and is never to be written . . .” Himmler October 4,1943
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6yi9hT8ES2g
You also have the memoirs of Rudolf Höss, a Kommandant at Auschwitz destroying evidence, the memoirs of Adolf Eichmann, and...[text limit]
>>753169472
Every "study" that claims to prove some sort of jewish mass murder occurred has been guilty of biasing their evidence and out right fabrication.
You've yet to prove anything. Except the fact that you're a mad little kike bitch.
>>753171294
It works against what you said because everything was coded.
Why would you use secret codewords like a high school girl IN a message that is already coded by a code you 100% believe is unbreakable?
>mfw this whole thread
Oy vey, goyim! Stop questioning The Sacred Truth!
>>753169674
wtf do the people have to do with anything? It's the policies you dimwit.
>>753170088
>>architectural remains of death camps
don't exist
>>thousands of survivors who corroborate the story
completely unreliable
>>the admission under oath by many nazis after the war
forced confessions
>>many documents showing the planning and execution of a plan to exterminate jews
don't exist
>>photographs
don't prove anything
>>film
doesn't prove anything
try harder kike
Just a reminder that JIDF is a real thing, and they actively monitor websites with the sole intention of arguing and discrediting anything that goes against Jewish interests.
http://www.thejidf.org
>>753170407
>the nazis also systematically exterminated 5 million
lol, that didn't happen either. You sure are mad that you're getting BTFO with your gay little jew lies.
There were 9,500,000 jews in europe in 1933.
There were 9,300,000 jews in europe in 1948.
(Info from the world almanac and book of facts, 1933 and 1948 editions)
So given that, I don't know where the "6 million jews" went. That's just one example.
Then you have the stories about skin lampshades and human fat soap, both debunked.
Also there are retarded anecdotes from alleged holocaust survivors,
just countless little lies for the shekels.
This little post mathematically proves the stupidity in the claim (pic)
>>753171032
like every other order that was meant to be secret by word of mouth to his trusted generals then word of mouth down the system, something that is still used today in dictatorships
or the ever so amazing skill of burn after reading
>>753171540
Don't worry, soon enough the "survivors" will die of old age and the truth will slowly come out. Everyone's gonna be mad as hell at the happy merchants when that happens
>>753171294
Testimony under duress
Admit this happened or be executed for war crimes.
Real reliable
>>753170540
no Schlomo, it isn't. And the documents you claim the "data" came from don't exist
1933
>>753170903
1948
>>753166271
All the of extermination camps were liberate by the Sovet red army and they fabricated physical evidence including building fake gas chambers at auschitz
David cole (a jew i might add) exposed this is several documentaries he made. Its actually kind of hilarious. He went to the concentration camps to do research on them because muh Jewish persecution narrative and during the course of his research he found physical evidence that went directly against the gas chambers lie and he just couldn't keep his mouth shut about it.
its a classic case of jewish projection because they used their control over radio and newspapers to push this holocaust lie as the great crime of the 20th century while ignore the millions of white christians who were genocided by communist jews at the same time in Asia and eastern Europe.
The jew always cries out in pain as he strikes you. The Jew always accuses you of what he himself is guilty of.
>>753171630
How convenient, just like the Jews themselves, all the evidence was burned up, but trust us it happened, okay? I
>>753170946
>god damn, everybody knows that
whaaaa, why doesn't everyone know the official story whaaaaa it must be a fact because I said it whaaaaa
>>753167326
>1982
>>753171630
>still used today in dictatorships
Such as Israel?
>>753170221
You cant be. Certainty isn’t something you are granted when it comes to history.
>>753171709
Don't forget that Jews have this thing in their religion where 6 million Jews needed to die to take back Israel. So Hitler hit the perfect number for them.
>>753166271
OP is a retard who obviously didn't graduate high school. There is no "both sides" to historical events. Jesus fucking Christ. Were there two sides to the French Revolution? One side saying it happened the way it happened and one side saying no it didn't happen that way.
Imagine the length of History classes in high school if we always covered "both sides".
>>753168133
not sure if bait.
they were burned.
also those who werent burned were found by american soldiers thus there are a lot of photos. inb4 it could be fake
>>753171636
The jews are now saying that the children of the jews alive during the war have "ancestral trauma". They're literally saying that every jew has PTSD from muh holohoax. The victims will never die off and we'll still be hearing jewish whining for hundreds of years...
>>753171905
Prooof
>>753171636
That’s why questioning the “truth” is punishable with 5 years in prison.
>>753166271
That is a lovely heinee
>>753166271
I've heard about the anne frank hoax too, apparently most of it was bs and written years after. wouldnt surprise me, these kikes always want sympathy to do the shit they want.
>>753167364
Gee, now that I've seen a photo with captions added to it, those captions must be factual.
>>753171540
>>>architectural remains of death camps
>>don't exist
yes they do been to a few while studying at uni and if you still don't believe read the writing of Albert Speer
>>>thousands of survivors who corroborate the story
>>completely unreliable
why???
>>>the admission under oath by many nazis after the war
>>forced confessions
there actually very little record of that and yet again Albert Speer confessed and even
>>>many documents showing the planning and execution of a plan to exterminate jews
>>don't exist
yet again they do check documents
>>>photographs
>>don't prove anything
well before photos shop and the amount they costed does put a bit of weight behind them
>>>film
>>doesn't prove anything
same as above
>>753171954
I'm a Jew, and I've literally never heard of this, ever, and think the idea is fucking retarded.
But I'm sure you'll continue to use it it to justify your idiotic and irrational petty hatreds.
>holohoax
What a god damned moron you are.
>>753171910
>oy vey, the only side to history is what we tell you goy!
I can't believe you actually said that there aren't two sides to historical events. And then you sum that ridiculously retarded idea that teaching the whole story would take to long in school. Reported for extreme underage faggotry.
>>753167912
this, its complete bs that some countries it's a crime to deny the holocaust, i mean what kinds shit is that?
>>753172108
How about the fact that the "chimney" isn't even attached to the fucking building you fucking mong?
>>753166271
The irony is WAY more Jews died during communism in Russia but you never hear about how evil communism was and how many people lost their lives.
>>753172174
>the whole story
Lmao what a faggot. I bet you also think we should teach "the whole story" of the American Civil War.
Killing anyone is evil for any reason. Numbers seems like discussing how much shit you fell into. You still fell into shit and then rolled around for a long ass time. No one is innocent. Everyone is guilty. Vengeance and retribution are just tools to cope with murder. Someone always has a damn good reason to kill someone until after they have killed them.
Can the deniers come up with any type of methodology that we can all agree on? Nope.
They just say things like 'pictures don't prove anything' when pictures are presented as evidence not proof...
Step out of your cosy, post-truth bubbles and tell us what evidence you would accept. :)
>>753171745
no it was not there lots of other evidence, its just you're ignoring them and demanding paper work
but i guess if we blame the jews for all the problems in the world it easier than looking out ourself
>>753172105
Anne Frank was real, but she wasn’t killed. The official story is that she died from typhus in a concentration camp. It’s terrible and tragic, but it doesnt have anything to do with gas chambers or genocide.
>>753172233
Because chimneys are only able to connect to buildings above ground right?
>>753172196
Ever notice how all the Holocaust deniers are also violent antisemites?
Why aren't there moderate Holocaust deniers?
Really makes you think.
>>753171407
What do you mean “IN” a message that was “already coded”. The messages were coded in various ways for various reasons. To hide information from outside eyes and for the purpose of keeping a tight lid on the inside. Hitler wasn’t a blabbering moron like Duterte for example. He was aware there would be sympathizers and he wanted to minimize damning evidence, again from the inside out. Why wouldn’t you want to make attempts to look clean from both ends, it only benefits you if you’re in his position.
>>753166271
What Holocaust?
>>753171827
nope China USSR and the Americans the British at periods
>>753172265
oh look, it's "music" spamboy.
you still suck.
>>753172351
I thought you said dictatorship? Israel is the only real dictatorship in the world today. They have more freedom in North Korea.
>>753171910
Beyond retard in that post.
You aren't getting your shekels for that one. You literally said we should just ignore one side because it's easier
>>753172270
they don't want that because it easier to be angry at the world or Jews for ruining it
if you took this thought scientific theory methods it would be evident
ITT: underage faggots who skipped history classes in high school.
>>753171654
Adolf Eichmann‘s documents go back to 1941; there are tons of testimonies accounts from during the war, and additionally you have right there audio from Himmler himself describing the importance of secrecy on this matter. Describing exactly their motivations to a room full of SS officers.
>>753172319
I’m a moderate Holocaust denier (actually I’m really liberal). I love the Jews and I think putting people in camps for their ethnicity is a very bad thing. I just don’t think there was a plan to exterminate the Jews with gas chambers.
>>753166271
>I've never given it much thought
and it shows
Who the fuck gets their opinions from 4chan?!
Quit being a retarded lazy faggot and do your own research, all you will hear are lies here.
>>753172148
Yes we are well aware of the jews using this site.
>>753172249
We should definitely teach both sides, but we don't because then we couldn't keep saying the civil war was about slavery
>>753172458
dont really care how much you hate Israel
but saying that means youre either 14 or wildly out of touch with global status
>>753172270
Deniers will accept evidence that confirms their beliefs and reject that which does not. That’s methodology. Whatever “proves” their position is right, whatever “disproves” the opposing position is right, and everything else is wrong.
>>753172493
>he thinks both sides in the Holocaust Denial Clusterfuck are equally worthy of academic discussion
What a retard. Tell me when Tucker Carlson invites some old academic to "debate" the Holocaust.
>>753172293
There was lots of paperwork, you're just ignoring it and demanding evidence
The jews aren't responsible for ALL the problems in the world. Mostly just their control of media and finance. On a related note, do you believe Harvey Weinstein is innocent and the whole thing against him is just anti-antisemitism?
>>753172343
Codes within codes within codes within codes.... even though the first code was considered unbreakable.
You're just repeating yourself for the third time without ever answering the question
>>753172683
You sure do care about people who hate Israel, you're trying to make people hate Muslims instead and make others fight your wars for you.
>>753172661
Newsflash: it was about slavery. The proof is the butthurt the South has had about the end of slavery to this day.
>>753172842
You’re concocting this notion of some kind of codeception where none was implied. I’m repeating myself because you don’t seem to be getting it. The SS used codes, you and I both acknowledge this. Where’s the disconnect occurring?
>>753172742
Why are you saying both sides of the denial?
You know very well that's not what was being said.
>>753170946
Keep backpedalling my dude. Or maybe try making a coherent point.
>>753172876
It was about distribution of government and judicial powers.
How do you explain thousands of black volunteers in the Confederate Army?
>>753168938
>humans can be used as fuel, almost no external fuel needed to burn people
wtf i love israel now
>>753173041
Serving their masters. DUH.
>>753166271
idc about your crackpot "theories", I just want to see more of the girl in OP's image.
>>753172876
It wasn't about slavery. Lincoln himself stated blacks should never be considered our equal.
There was a lot more behind it than slavery, and that should be taught, but isnt
>>753172781
not sure what you're getting at weinstein admitted some of his actions and there is a lot of jews in both media and finance but there alot of fucking Christians too,
lol @ never hearing about how evil communism is. Thanks for saying that, kid, I've never heard it said before.
>>753173150
I love how your 2 statements beautifully contradict each other.
Israel will BURN!
>>753173150
It’s not a contradiction to be a racist abolitionist.
>>753172972
You concocted it by saying documents about specifics of jew genocide used codewords, when they had an unbreakable code that could only be decrypted and read by using a code machine, which weren't common, and only very high trusted officers had access to
>>753173180
But, he is one of God's Chosen People™. That means he can get away with anything, right?
Maybe it was just a case of inherited trauma. Weinstein's parents were raped at camp, so therefore he feels the urge to rape women. It's really the white man's fault if you think about it. Weinstein is a fine example of an outstanding jewish citizen, and everyone is just racist.
>>753173113
Slaves were not allowed to be conscripted. Why do think Lincoln freed them when he did?
>>753172859
so me saying i don't care about some one hating Israel
is both a sign i hate Muslims
and that i care about people hating Israel
sorry not getting the logic there
I don't care about people hating Spain much but does not mean I hate Greece
>>753167843
>Hitler's signature saying "do better"
Fucking kek
>>753173241
Which 2 statements?
You understand there's multiple people in here right?
>>753173286
If you don't agree with the current popular narrative, then clearly you are a racist of course.
>>753173180
>fucking Christians
sounds like you've got some hate there schlomo.
Marry Christmas! Remember to keep CHRIST OUR SAVOIR in mind!
>>753173715
Wrong.
>>753168564
Not illegal here to investigate it here, and we have plenty of documentation of our jews being shipped off to death camps. Almost all of our jewish population got killed of during WW2
>>753173684
that a extreme leap of non logic
and I think his family were polish and his grand parents came to the USA before the second world war
>>753173733
You're a jew and we're getting real sick of your opinions.
>>753170244
where does it says it s from 48 ? am i blind or ?
>>753173837
Amen
>>753173892
Oh, so now the jews disown him? He's not jewish anymore because he got caught?
>>753173793
2 statements in the same post I was replying to, numbnuts:
>it wasn't about slavery
>it was about more than slavery
>>753173837
don't hate Christians
and neither christian or Jew
>>753173962
>it was about more than slavery
Economy, separation of powers, the British had already outlawed slavery, machines were starting to replace the need for slaves, etc..
>>753173949
I don't know have to ask them
not sure how you got that from what i said
or you just having a random break down
>>753171611
I feel insulted as quickly German
We used multiple processing lines in several camps... why to be limited to one oven or person leading it.
Do not underestimate the effort and engineering pride that has been put into this.
>>753173853
Its right though
https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/blacks-civil-war
>>753174088
You come here and expect everyone to make sense? fuck off. Do you know where you are?
>>753170206
>>753170244
>9 million jews in Europe before WW2
>9 million jews in Europe after WW2
>9-9= 6 gorillion jews killed
Haah, waaw.
>>753174061
>The British
Actually the French did it first.
>>753174264
well most can keep a train of thought but since the kids came in, it has got harder
>>753173962
That's not at all contradictory in the context of only one side needing to be taught leading to the belief that the civil war was about the sole specific issue of slavery.
You learned a narrative, when the truth is a lot more complicated.
We don't need to discuss this any further as a means to distract from the holocaust question at hand as I'm sure you're eagerly planning to do
I wonder why (((they))) love the 6 million figure
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
It features so prominently in newspapers before the war...
>>753174347
Is gorillion even a real word?
Isn't any argument weakened when the person uses made up words?
>>753174464
>I have no real argument against what is presented so I'll just kvetch about a word I don't like
It's okay, Chaim, no one under the age of 50 takes your kind seriously anyway.
>>753174439
Is it called hooktube because of the shape of the Jew nose?
No, at most it’s a million off. Considering how the Germans burned records and the time period that’s not bad. So 5 million. It was an attempt at genocide. If it had been any faster then the German troops would have probably rebelled against it. Many were upset but followed orders. It’s like the Stanford prison experiment. A few sadist and people unwilling to rebel against them plus an us vs them mentality. It happened to Germans in other countries after the war as well. Mass incarceration and murder of Germans who didn’t do anything.
People are evil. Avoid all but the ones you’re sleeping with.
>>753174543
But you haven't answered if it was a real word or not.
>>753174391
Then you shouldn't have kids. Especially if you're Jewish. Just let the Arab families have 14 kids each, they will eat Israel alive, you're surrounded.
>>753170903
But that’s not true.
>>753174347
194 Einsatzgruppen report
Einsatzgruppe A: 363,337
Einsatzgruppe B: 134,000
Einsatzgruppe C: 118,341
Einsatzgruppe D: 91,728
Higher SS and Police Leaders and staff: 445,325
The total number of Jews murdered is at least 1,152,731 across the four Einsatzgruppen units
>>753171944
many of these pictures are from the eastern front, something like 9 million soldiers died in the fighting there. mass graves shown are likely stripped and looted soldiers.
>>753174464
>made up
Gee. It's almost like that's the point.
>>753166271
Regardless of what your interpretation of the events are, its pretty clear some (! don't ignore this word faggots) evidence has deliberately been misinterpreted, exaggerated and fabricated. If you believe its all fake, this is proof. If you believe it has transpired, its an insult to those who perished. Either way, the way this topic handled in general is disgusting.
>>753174738
What was ethnic cleansing on the Eastern front for 200, Alex.
>>753174620
still not a Jew
kid
>>753174707
you want truth? don't come to /b/
>>753174612
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indefinite_and_fictitious_numbers
Depends on who you ask, but to give you an actual mathematic answer;
9-9=0
0 is the millions of Jews seems to be the difference before and after WW2 going by the sources given in the post I orginally replied to.
>>753174835
Still not a kid
Jew
>>753171905
The 6 million number has been pushed for almost a century before hitler. They accused Czar Nicolas II of exterminating 6 million jews.
You are right they needed to meme the 6 million to fulfill a prophecy to allow them to settle israel but the problem with jews doing this is that no matter how well you can jew the goyim you cannot jew your diety. He knows you made the holocaust up to circumvent his will and he will punish you for it. In fact alot of hardline orthodox Jews hate Israel and want it destroyed because they know that by lying and breaking the covenant they have brought gods wrath down upon them.
>>753174836
hello sir. how come a objective guy like you is visiting /b?
usually only badly educated kiddos living in their granny's basement come here, thinking their internet bubble is the only true life.
>>753172781
Im Jewish and he mostly preyed on other Jews. So he’s definitely guilty as fuck. The only reason it was allowed for so long is that he never physically forced anyone to do anything and he’s a hell of a producer. It’s not an easy job. Executive producer is the bank, but producer is actually the person who organizes everything. Without one a director is fucked.
>>753174864
well then you should be better at this lol
>>753174855
And then there are retards like you who claim the number of Jews killed was 0.
>>753174937
god if there a real god we all in trouble
atheism is safer lol
>>753174836
And if you want misinformation, do come to /pol/
>>753174998
It was literally what was posted by someone else, if that is not the point the person was trying to make, why did the images say it?
I thought Jews were supposed to be good at reading comprehension :^)
I'm sure you can provide an accurate number of how many Jews died in WW2 though.
>>753166271
Stop JAQing off, the Holocaust happened, goy, though it wasn't the worst genocide of the 20th century.
>>753174998
He didn't say that
He said there were 0 millions, meaning it could be any number up to 999,999
>>753173837
Preach brother
>>753166813
Go home Ivan spread in misinfo again first it was Slavs are white then it was flat earth then it was this then trump now back to this aww is little Ivan mad because he don't have a flag on moon too bad Ivan too bad
>>753174730
>1.1 million Jews died in the holocaust
Now that's a number I could believe.
Some Jews died in bad conditions in internment camps. There was no industrialized killing.
>>753175677
Bullshit
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271#
>>753175598
I can believe that number died while in containment, but I still doubt there was a systematic murdering of them
>>753175202
I can't wait for white people to go extinct so that I too can deny the "white genocide".
>>753175677
You're so fuckin stupid.
>>753175770
Why wait? https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005130
>>753175677
prove it
>>753175724
prove it
>>753175677
>bad conditions
Yeah, I heard being gassed was bad for your condition.
>>753175770
Are jews extinct? Even close?
>>753175845
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271#
>>753175845
You argue like a woman.
>>753175724
no. Aushwitz gas chambers are bullshit. A lot of Jews starved because allies bombed the roads so no supplies could get in. A few died of disease. That's about it.
>>753175968
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=394667
When did we get invaded with stormflags?
>>753175867
The year is 2057.white people are all but genocided. Only a few pockets of whiteness remain in the Arctic and Upper Canada.
A heated discussion is raging on some Mongolian basket weaving forum. Some people claim that the white genocide never happened and they mostly died of disease and malnutrition.
>>753175956
I'm literally not taking either side, I'm asking both sides for evidence.
>>753175880
The Nuremberg trials are your proof?
>>753176096
When they discovered it feels good to shove things in your butt.
>>753175867
They only make up 2 percent of the host country which holds 40 percent of them. So, yeah. Way more blacks than Jews.
>>753176288
They are pretty gay
>>753166271
In this thread.
Nazi fuckbois circle jerkin cause they literally dont get laid. Then blame jews fir it and blacks for bigger dicks.
HahahahahahahahHHHahahaha ... faggots
Of course it happened
>>753175111
I am atheist myself. Im just giving you the Jewish perspective on this. They believe this shit with every fiber of their being and they control global finance and a sizable illegal nuclear arsenal of hundreds of warheads in Israel. So if this shit is real to them.......
>>753176643
They believe it because it happened.
>>753166271
There’s a video on YouTube of some of the prisoners describing how they had cinemas in the camp and shit, so probably exaggerated a little but still obviously happened.
>>753174937
What prophecy?
>>753176682
Your cult like behavior does not magically conjure up physical evidence of an event.
hillary clinton faked the holocaust
>>753176719
Old jewish prophecy that they would be led by god to the promise land to finally have a state after six million of their people died in a "great fire" Thats literally what the word "holocaust" means its literally translates to "Burned offering to God"
>>753176426
y u mad?
>>753177014
Any actual proof of this obscure prophecy?
>>753177014
They like to forget about the coming of the messiah part.
They took a state even though their texts say the will be stateless until the coming
>>753174549
I doubt the shape of any nose has anything to do with it, lol
>https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
but you faggots should watch the video to see the progression of the intentional memeing of the 6 million figure in the years before the war. the video is banned in many countries, just for addressing the number in old newspapers. it is a fascinating thing.
>>753172133
>thousands of survivors who corroborate being masturbated to death, vaporized by mystery nuclear weapons 20,000 at a time, electrocuted by bicycle powered generators, steamed to death, turned into lampshades and bars of soap and canvases
my god anon
you are gullible as fuck
>>753177201
Don't know about the 6000000 prophecy, but here's a link covering why they defied their gods command and shouldn't be in Israel
http://www.truetorahjews.org/qanda/source1
>>753166271
sure , 6 million tax payers fucked off somewhere , the naxis had the lists they created of the cunts they killed .... how simple do you need shit to be ? you can of course pick faults in any argument but this ones cast in stone dude
antiholocausts, piecosts,penticosts,
how many teachers have you heard,years of classroom larnin? history courses,,ever had one?
>>753173881
Where is "here"?
