The GOP just passed the biggest middle-class tax hike in US history just to give the wealthy (including the Trumps and Clintons) a tax cut.
Tired of all that winning yet cuckservitards?
>>753039341
This just in!
Trump's personal banking information handed over to Robert Mueller
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-handed-over-robert-mueller
>>753039341
Wrong. My tax bill will go down $800 next year.
>>753039341
Mine went down. Not tired of winning.
>>753039341
>biggest middle-class tax hike
why do liberals lie so much? Are they capable of ever telling the truth?
>>753039667
Actually I'm NOT wrong. Educate yourself.
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/the-gop-plan-is-the-biggest-tax-increase-in-american-history-by-far/
>>753039565
fake news.
The United States would have to go through the German government. They cannot subpoena a foreign company.
>>753039565
actually no it wasn't. This story was already Debunked by Trumps attorney, Deutsche Bank and others.
You guys are really desperate since the flynn fake news blew up in your faces.
The big news today is Mueller investigation is falling apart. How many more partisan hacks will need to be dismissed?
>>753039667
>>753039667
What's your annual income and what is your main source of income?
>>753039893
"theintercept"? Nice sourcing, anon. Shareblue give you that one?
>>753039667
Believe that when it happens.
>>753039710
You sound like a shill. Donny's Cut-Cut-Cut Act hasn't even taken effect yet. Probably will not, for that matter.
>>753039893
I am educated. We know whats in the tax bill and for just about everyone it will go down.
82k annual income, saving around 1k with the new tax plan...sounds like you're the liberal hivemind cuck..
>>753039951
Mine will got down 2000 when it passes.
>>753039803
THE GOP PLAN IS THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY, BY FAR
>https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/the-gop-plan-is-the-biggest-tax-increase-in-american-history-by-far/
The Biggest Tax Scam in History
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/opinion/senate-tax-bill-scam.html
Let me guess, anything you disagree with is fake news right?
>>753039803
Because Liberalism is a mental illness.
>>753040003
Have you been itemizing or using the standard deduction?
>>753039963
Wrong.
>>753039896
Deutsche Bank operates with the US, thus it is subject to US legal process. No Hague Treaty involved here.
"Deutsche Bank … told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities."
>>753040011
No it won't.
>>753040065
You spelled conservatism wrong.
Learn to spell, idiot.
>>753040070
Standard. I'm lazy and just claim what's on my W-2. Im sure I could get a little better deal, just haven't really been motivated to do so.
>>753039341
ITT: Cuckservitards who claim their taxes will go down but don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about.
>>753039951
There are calculators online for both the House and Senate bills. $900 decrease in taxes for one and over $1k for the other for me.
>>753040054
I love how you cucks make absurd statements then post a link to socialist news sources like it's an unbiased news authority.
>>753039928
Sekulow (one of the Resident Dump's attorneys) said he did not receive the subpoena. Of course he didn't. The bank did. Duh!
>>753040116
Deutsche Bank has already stated that none of this happened.
>>753039341
Mine is going down by $2000 I think.
That’s said I’m a moderate Democrat, bill Clinton balance the budget type. This shit is going to blowing a massive hole in the deficit. We will eventually be speaking Chinese, because they buy our debt.
He has cut tax and increased spending, when we are already at a deficit. I can’t wait until he is voted out. Most of the cuts help rich people, corporations don’t pay 36% after all their deductions.
>>753039341
Republicans are morons. They will always vote for whoever fox news tells them to because they can't think for themselves.
>>753040011
If wishes were fishes.
Hey, you wanna buy a wall?
>>753040197
You make 82k and have been using the standard deduction? Why...? Do you not like money?
If you make 82k get a fucking accountant to file your taxes and get yo 10k+ in your return.
If you love this tax bill so much because "you'll save 1k/year" you should've been using a fucking accountant.
Fucking Christ the stupidity.
>>753040332
>Mine is going down by $2000 I think.
you think...
>>753040286
I love you how cucks say "cuck" as a derogatory term against the left when you're the ones who crave heirarchy and adore authority.
>>753040401
The bill adds over a trillion to the annual deficit over 10 years. Learn to economics bro.
>>753040286
says the moron who watches fox news
if you're not a liberal before 30, you have no heart. if you are a liberal after 30, you have no brain.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>753040334
I guess we should watch ABC News with Brian Ross.
...oh, wait
>>753040502
Bruh I'm not defending this retarded-ass tax bill.
This 82k making moron hasn't been itemizing and is siding with this bill because "it saves him money". Stupid ass logic for someone leaving thousands on the table by not using an accountant for past filings.
God damn republicans are retarded.
>>753040270
The senators haven't even read the bill. But miraculously there are online calculators. There is a word for that.
>>753040568
It's not about liberal vs conservative. It's about rich vs poor. The rich want us fighting red vs blue while they run off with all the money.
Pull your head out of your ass and pay attention.
>>753040651
Gullibility.
>>753040332
>>753040401
Where did I proclaim my love for this bill? Just made a statement.
And I'm not a person who is bent over backward over money. I live simple and save around 75% of my money anyways.
>>753040687
Your daily reminder of 2 facts-
>There's no nobility in being poor
>Poor people will never hire you
>>753040568
I’m liberal, 34 and makes 120k. Have 2 kids living in New England. Both wife and I are college educated.
Most of the the coasts and parts of the Midwest are left leaning, educated and earn upper middle class incomes fuck face.
>>753040578
ABC suspended him for making false claims. When has Fox News EVER reprimanded anyone for lying on air? They have the worst record for accuracy of all networks.
>>753039341
>>753040466
Meanwhile, their Fearless Leader is the fucking Cuck-in-Chief. MAGA!
>>753040418
Yeah nigger. There are two bills, one by senate and one by house. What a weird reply. Kindly fuck off and die.
>>753040862
The last act of the desperate- excusing bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior. I don't watch Fox News.
>>753040832
there's nothing noble about stealing wealth that belongs to those who work for it.
The workers EARN the wealth. The owners KEEP it.
You need to go back to school, friend.
>>753040568
Wow, nobody has ever said that before. You are the first person ever to say that to me and it has completely changed my position on everything. May God bless you good sir; I have seen the light!
How silly I was to vote for my own interests! I know now that I must vote for the interests of the rich, because someday I might be one and I want all the poor people to vote in my interests too!
Seriously though, the idea that the GOP cares about anyone but the rich is the greatest scam ever pulled.
>>753040990
Yes you do. You watch Fox News all the time.
>>753040741
You're too polite. Not that politeness should be discouraged here.
>>753040992
You make an excellent point. The American People earn their money and the government steals it. The government is not entitled to our pay, but with state, local, federal, school, property and sales taxes, the government typically takes half of it away. And, when you die, liberals want to take another half of what you've already paid taxes on. Who's the thief here?
>>753040992
>>753040992
Fair enough. But what happens when all the wealth and all the capital is concentrated in the bourgeois class? Do you think every single one of those members of the bourgeois class earned their wealth? Did they all start businesses or innovate or add to the general well-being of society?
How are they fulfilling their part of the social contract? What are their responsibilities to their society?
Not trying to troll you. I'm legitimately trying to understand how we can have our cake and eat it too.
>>753041189
>half
What the fuck kind of Looney Tunes Sean Hannity fever dream are you living in where the government takes half of your pay?
>>753040961
And neither has been subjected to a test for unconstitutionality yet. Millionaires voting for tax-cuts for the millionaires doesn't sound like they're promoting the general welfare or ensuring the blessings of liberty to our posterity.
>>753041257
Show me this "social contract" that we're apparently all controlled by, please. Or was that just a term a professor in your first term of college said last month?
>>753040296
[citation needed]
>>753041047
>>753040687
Tribalism has taken too deep a hold on the American populace. They can't see that as long as they keep up the utterly pointless red vs blue fight, they'll always both lose to the true enemy.
>>753040502
deficit watch is a liberal scam
>>753041189
Nigger taxes are constitutional. You can’t steal taxes. It’s legal.
It’s pays for our military, roads, lights, cops, schools and other shit that’s needed in keeping with a civilized society (taking care of retards and old people).
>>753041480
We're overdue for another civil war..
>>753039893
>https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/the-gop-plan-is-the-biggest-tax-increase-in-american-history-by-far/
The truth is, nobody actually knows what's in the tax plan they signed because it's not even legible
>>753041338
About a third of my pay goes right out of my paycheck. I pay ~ $6,500 in property/school taxes a year. Sales tax here is 8.75%. I pay 15% capital gains taxes on my investments. It adds up, anon. You'll find out when you grow up.
>>753040832
>"Poor people will never hire you"
Brilliant logic. Why don't you just roll over and let the boot stomp the other side of your face, too?
>>753040135
Yes it will.
>>753041522
Science is a liberal scams and so is math. Also reading comprehension and all that education shit.
>>753040097
Not an argument.
>>753040065
This.
>>753041189
>And, when you die, liberals want to take another half of what you've already paid taxes on.
You, son, are lying. My mother died recently and I learned exactly how probate works. The only people who pay probate tax are the super-rich. We did not on an estate worth a quarter of a million dollars.
>>753041626
I can't. No time for that. I'm closing on my winter place in Sebring soon, so I need to pack.
>>753040116
OK sure but DB already debunked the claim.
>>753041663
the only education anyone needs comes from the good book.
>>753040243
lol we actually do know what we're talking about.
>>753041777
Checked
>>753040291
The bank also said they didn't get a subpoena and yes he would have gotten one for the records.
>>753040332
>e. This shit is going to blowing a massive hole in the deficit.
Not really.
>>753041713
>probate
Probate is about executing a will. It has nothing to do with taxes.
I make less than 24,000 a year. I work full time for 4 months. I have no kids/spouse. Im on my parents insurance. I dont itemize reductions and pay the standard, is that wrong? Could i get more savings by itemizing?
>>753039803
They’re trying to compensate for the fact some anon’s have pointed out that Obama promised no tax hikes on the middle class, but actually implemented the biggest tax hike on the middle class (Obamacare)
>>753041784
you clearly don't though, but I mean, we can keep playing this game where you act like you're smart and we keep pointing out that you're not all the way through 2020
>>753040334
Did Foxnews fake the flynn "was directed by trump to engage the Russians" ? No that was ABC? ok.
>>753041257
>when all the wealth and all the capital is concentrated in the bourgeois class?
>Not trying to troll you.
Clearly you are. Kindly bugger off.
>>753041829
If anything is found it will not be admissible because of the lack of a subpoena.
>>753041732
Shit dude, then what are you doing on 4chan? A well-off person like you should be disciplined to the point well above wasting time on the Asshole of the Internet™
>>753041585
I pay more and still not a conservative. Everyone in my family earns six figures and none of us are republicans.
>>753040401
Most people don't have that many deductions you mong.
>>753040502
No it doesn't. That's the claim made if you use current gdp growth not the gdp growth that is expected to occur.
>>753041396
Nigger this is high school history class.
The social contract is a treatise written by Jean-Jacques Rousseau about political philosophy, before the French Revolution.
In case you were wondering the founding fathers, our philosophy in this country, and our founding documents were all heavily influenced by the French Constitution and European scholars of the time.
The social contract is a simple fucking concept. You live in a society. What is your duty to the society in which you live? Do you want other people in your society to have power over you by rite of birth? Or do you think that's wrong? If so, why is it wrong? If not, why not?
For fucks sake.
>>753041777
I only read one book
But it's a good book, don't you know
I act the way I act because
The Good Book tells me so
If I want to know how to be good
It's to the Good Book that I go
Cause the Good Book is a book
And it is good and it's a book
I know the Good Book's good because
The Good Book says it's good
I know the Good Book knows it's good
Because a really good book would.
>>753041925
Considering the standard deduction is going up to $12,000 and your income is so low, you'd never find enough tax deductions to beat that. Take the standard deduction.
>>753040466
You're cucks and soyboys.
It's obviously make your redditards mad.
>>753041933
abc suspended that guy for like 4 weeks and retracted. What does fox do when they are caught making shit up? Not a single fucking thing. Don't even start with infowars and the rest of that right-wing bullshit. You guys have lost your fucking minds.
FAKE!!!Fake neeeeeeddsws. fake news alert
>>753040921
>seems legit
said no-one ever.
>>753041663
Mongo … smaaaart!
>>753041925
No, taxbreaks are not for you. Ask again when you are a useful rich person.
>>753039893
>theintercept.com
oh yes i'll trust the liberal media vs whats actually in the tax bill.
Racists!
>>753041876
Yep, really. Very really.
>>753040687
>The rich
When are lefties gonna stop with their class warfare.
Wealth is created. The "rich" didn't steal that money they created the wealth and earned it.
>>753041961
Great reply.
So what's the responsibility of the upper-class in our society? Should we all expect them to hold their own interests in the highest regard, regardless of the society's plight?
Welcome the the French Revolution.
>>753041757
Smells like bullshit.
>>753042080
Just to clarify, all deductions add up and are subtracted from my incime which results in my taxable income right?
>>753039928
falling apart after two indictments? three investigations, two indictments and months of investigation. hahahaha
>>753040862
Not an argument. The liberal media has a long history of making shit up.
>>753042253
You have no idea what the actual tax bill says.
>>753042323
>inherits 15 million dollars
>creates wealth
Ok
>>753041047
Being poor is a choice. Sorry you aren't happy with the one you made.
>>753042323
Yes they stole it, and its time we took an example from the French and take their wealth and their heads.
>>753042095
When I read this shit online, it’s so cringy.
Using the term cuck and soyboy is like the mark of faggotry.
>>753039341
>>753040054
>it's a hike because liberal states with high income and property taxes can't write it off anymore
>So every one gets a cut except ultra liberal shit holes like IL NY and CA
They say you'll get tired of winning but it's not true
>>753042209
Almost half his income is a tax break when the standard deduction is going to $12k.
>>753042323
Are you saying all rich individuals became rich through industry?
What do you define as "wealth creation"?
What about people who inherited wealth and don't reinvest in industry? What are they?
>>753042323
Except it’s inherited not created. Kys pig.
>>753040054
>nytimes.com/2017/11/27/opinion
Opinion, NY Times
The actually details in the tax bill show you're links to be nonense. But go ahead and just parrot talking point rather than learn.
>>753041923
The Cut-Cut-Cut Act attempts to remove probate taxes. It's a real thing, the super-rich have been whining about probate taxes for half a century now. Look it up.
>>753040543
Most accurate and fair of all the media. Harvard even proved that.
>>753040011
mine will go down $35 million.
remember hte last time we had a huge tax cut on the rich? macys started conglomerating. there were now two macys at every mall. instead of turning one into bloomingdales, they shut down the second store. how is macy's dong today? they cannibalized themselves
>>753042376
Correct. And taking the standard deduction under the new plan takes $12,000 off your taxable income, meaning you'll only be taxed on $13k. Which will already be the lowest bracket.
>>753039341
Mine will go UP by 2K! DAMN TRUMPTARDS!!
>>753042459
>The government should get what you earn when you die instead of allowing you to give it to who you please
>>753042459
It's their money, That's another thing i'm glad is gone. The death tax.
The ludicrous tax that taxes money that has already been taxed once at a rate of 50%.
>>753039341
>>753039565
>>753042607
you just defended faux news? c'mon. it's satire at best. you should stick to the networks, CBS NBC ABC PBS and get off the crack
>>753042662
How did you formulate this? Details?
>>753042389
yes nonsense indictments of lying and tax fraud that had nothing to do with the basis for the investigation.
still waiting for that smoking gun of collusion.
>>753042054
>>753041663
its called austerity in economics and also the main reason why it took 10 years to come out of recession
>>753041929
>we
you're in the minority and people mock you.
>>753041925
Under the trump tax bill you won't pay any income taxes.
>>753042209
He won't even pay any taxes under the trump tax bill.
>>753042539
Currently 25% of my paycheck goes to paying state and federal tax withholding. Im only 18 so dont really understand this shit but would this tax reform benefit me if Im already paying 25% on 24,000
>>753042650
no such thing. he said that during the campaing but it never came to fruition. but i'm glad you're so desperate to go from middle class to poverty
>>753042310
Nope.
The democrats have the perfect opportunity to talk about how this is an unpaid deficit creating tax deduction for the rich, which it is, and they’re squandering it.
Sucks that my kids are going to be paying Ming Lee and Ting ting cause Trump wants his taxes reduced, but doesn’t want to decrease spending and wants to increase.
It’s like maxing out credit cards, and then paying a home that cost more monthly than your paycheck.
>>753042607
In countries that have legal standards for journalistic truth, Fox is not allowed to call what they broadcast "news".
>>753042369
Yeah the original claim of a subpoena was BS.
>republicans pass tax cuts
>IF it MAYBE expires in 10 years, taxes will go back to the SAME adjusted for inflation
>Liberals fight tooth and nail to GUARANTEE the tax cuts expire
"L..lo...look what those EVIL republicans did g..guys! They scr...screwed you over!"
Well??
>>753042189
Fearless Leader is virile and puissant! Bigus Dickus!
Dude, your God-Emperor's wife is getting boned by a guy who knows what to do in bed.
>>753042887
When you file your taxes you'll get a refund and your effective tax rate will probably be 5-15%.
Unless you live in a high as fuck state/local tax area. Then you fucked.
>>753042912
Yep. There will be another recession. Bush did the same thing.
>>753039341
This is class war. If you don't see you are all ROYALLY FUCKED by the ruling class you need to wake up.
You're just about ready for a socialist revolution. When you realize most of you who claim to be "conservatives" and "liberals" are all the same - you are the working class - you will also realize you should leave the differences behind you and work together. Crush the state and sieze power.
Also, convince anyone you know who are police or military, and the revolution will be swift and peaceful.
>>753042571
>inherited
and?
Either way most of it isn't and it doesn't affect you if someone has money.
>>753042323
>>753042570
Most rich people did.
Those who inherited it their wealth have no responsibility to give that wealth to anyone else.
>>753042950
Why is he reducing taxes and increasing spending? Makes no fucking sense. We already have a deficit.
>>753042887
Yes, it benefits you. It won't be very noticeable for any under the 25k income tax bracket though. Could be 200-300 of your federal taxes.
>>753042347
>bourgeois class
>upper class
Pick one.
Are lib cucks really so stupid that they think wealth is a finite resources that is divided up in society like a pie?
>>753042516
>Using the term cuck and soyboy is like the mark of faggotry.
up until a few days ago, I thought "soyboy" was one of /b/'s "make up something absurd and see how many people copy it" jokes, like the "you can recharge your phone in the microwave" line.
I'm honestly amazed that anyone would be so utterly pathetic as to seriously use that phrase. you might as well pin a sign to yourself saying "I'm a loser, and never going to get laid" as start name-calling people like that.
>>753042971
stay mad gonna be a long 7 years for you.
>>753042925
That may be the most depressing part about this whole thing. Trump is handing the Dems a golden opportunity to stand for something and rally the people, but they are just sitting around with their thumbs up their asses hoping it all somehow works out in their favor.
>>753040502
then here's an idea: time to slash spending
>>753043001
the economy will probably have the biggest growth in 30 years. You can screenshot this and bank on it.
>>753043025
It does affect me. You are keeping wealth that isn’t yours and not wanted to pay taxes on it. That’s less money for the public.
Does it affect them? The money isn’t their’s, but their parents or grandparent, right?
>>753040065
They are saying your taxes will go up in ten years if they don't vote to make the cuts permanent. If you just read the headline you don't get the full story.
>>753042389
>>753042197
>>753043003
Bread and circuses, my man.
They can still eat fast food and are distracted by political theatre. I long for the revolution, but I don't think I'll live to see it.
>>753043179
They're still sore from losing the election. They would rather seem him fail just to be "right".
>>753040054
"without hearings, without time for even a basic analysis of its likely economic impact, is the biggest tax scam in history. It’s such" - this part would be easy to check. Is thiz true ? If it is its a bad sign either way. This is coming from Romania, we have a lot of experience in corupt politics. American politics seem to have turned on their own people very abruptly. People in general dom seem to know how to handle it. I see no talks on specifics no actual bills being analised by the voters. No actual legal and official excerpts of documents being debated upon. People talk about them bSed on hearsay. No one checks sources and then you insult eachother. You guys have scooped down to our level i the bling of an eye. Welcome to the 3rd world, and all its coruption problems. Hope you can afford it.
>>753043085
>>753043085
What if they exploit other people in society to grow that wealth?
What if they create a government that further protects their wealth and power from others in society?
What if they decide to use their wealth to enslave anyone not in their caste?
>>753043224
This is fractally wrong.
>>753040243
Unless you can explain FIFO matching and its complete ass raping of investors and entrepreneurs, you do not understand the shittiness of the bill.
>>753039341
It's a tax cut for everyone in every bracket.
The only people who get fucked are high state tax states because the law doesn't let you deduct those state taxes off of your federal bill (which never should've happened in the first place) which will cause some people in high tax states to actually pay more taxes overall.
Now California and New York residents are actually going to have to pay their fair share to the federal government and the governments of Cali and NY are going to have to lower their state taxes.
>>753043224
Just like when the big corps got that 700 billion dollar bail out. Yeah. We're just rolling in growth and opportunity now. EVERY SINGLE TIME they gave a break to major corps to grow the economy IT FAILS. Wake the fuck up. This is just rich asshats robbing the government of any money it can. You think they give a single fuck about the standard of living for the middle class or the economy?! You're a special kind of retarded.
>>753042570
At some point, wealth had to be created... it didn't just spontaneously happen out of thin air. So whether it was done by someone now or someone in their family's last or previous generations doesn't matter
>>753043133
Huh, I thought i would get more back under the reform. Oh well, guess ill just work harder and make enough I dont care about taxes although that never seems to be the case.
Funny thing is, Id love to pay more taxes if I received more benefits, but benefit givers (dems) never seem to make a difference and republicans never seem to create benefits so the whole system looks fucked. Im moving to denmark, yall can keep this shit hole.
>>753043224
>the economy will probably have the biggest growth in 30 years. You can screenshot this and bank on it.
is that why economists are expecting recession in 2019?
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/05/us-headed-for-recession-in-2019-as-fed-raises-rates-economist-warns.html
the only times market valuations have been higher than today's (adjusted for inflation) were just before the dotcom bubble of the late 1990s and the 1929 Wall Street crash.
You can screenshot that, and bank on it.
>>753039963
Not even the people who voted knew what was on it, so u are just telling lies
>>753039341
>>753043512
lol bruh, California and NY are net positive contributors to the US tax revenue. They're also both the near the least dependent on federal revenue.
Fucking troglodyte.
>>753042492
Ever heard the story of the goose that laid the golden eggs?
Every day, a goose laid a golden egg. It made its people wealthy and prosperous.
But the people got greedy. "One egg a day is not enough!" they cried. "We could get so much more; let's cut it open!"
So they did. And they got five eggs out of the deal. Of course, now dead, the goose couldn't lay.
So, for a while, they were indeed richer, solving the problem of wealth inequality forever.
>>753043512
Actually New York and California pay more than their fair share of federal taxes. The vast majority of the fed budget comes from those "high tax" states and pays for your faggot ass fly over dialysis and other assorted red state welfare needs. You would know that if you all weren't fucking retards getting high on Medicaid backed pain killers.
>>753042863
Under existing (pre-Drumpft) tax law, there is no income tax due on $24K/year.
>>753043230
top kek, be that as it may RIP James Brown
>>753043556
You sir are absolutely correct. The two party system is completely fucked.
Earning more money without college/experience is a stupid hard thing to do. I enlisted in the military as a loophole and ended up landing a great job due to that. But fuck it was a long 8 years and don't recommend the post 2010 military.
Denmark's economy and quality of life is fucking fabulous. On par with Norway. Im with you brother!
>>753043224
Interest rates are going up. Recession is on the rise. Deficit, increase in spending and reduce in income on unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy.
I remember the Bush era. I’m 34. Jobs were gone. Trump is doing it again.
>>753043641
>bank on it
>>753043105
Literally all of them increased spending. If we don't get tax breaks, spending still increases so what fucking difference does it make?
When you're all spending money we don't have for shit we don't need liberals jump all the fuck over it.
But when the money we don't have involves not taking it from middle class, suddenly you idiots give a fuck?
At least the republicans are raising the debt and easing the burden on the working class hoping to encourage economic boosts.
The liberals increasing the debt while also increasing the burden while discouraging business isn't working, but you're defending it, like the option that gives slight relief to those paying for it all is so fucking awful.
How about instead of liberals fighting tooth and nail to make sure the middle class gets fucking destroyed until there's no money left for the massive debt you've created, you start lowering the amount of debt you're creating? Because until you're creating less debt than republicans, you're a hypocrite cunt at best.
>>753039341
lol stock fag here, i have made SO MUCH more than i did last year at this time and my taxes are at the same exact rate. Im not sure which is more glorious the money or the bitch cry from the left lol. #MAGA
>>753042926
brilliant idea. let government determine what "legitimate" journalism is... surely that'll end well
When in doubt, criticize Hillary. Even though it's almost 2018!
Stay the fuck in /pol/, you mental harelips!
>>753039341
>>753039667
I'm a tax accountant barely making more then the national average of 50k per year. My taxes are going down 1900
>>753043836
I did too. Couldn’t find a job when Bush crashed the economy. Worked in the sub force and earned a degree in mechanical engineering on shore duty. Trump is making the same mistake.
>>753039947
>he literally thinks the intercept is a democrat publication
Kill yourself, neoliberal.
>>753039341
Trump is done after he gives the GOP their tax cuts, on his way to the bottom of a bus.
>>753044024
>>753043748
Nah, more like killing the dragon to get his hoard. The dragon didn't make the gold, he just hid it away where no one could touch it.
Can't we just split into 2 countries? Does one need physical land mass to have a country? Can you start a digital country. Like, have the US split and you register for the conservative or liberal country. Your taxes and junk all go to the country you register for. I know there's already a shit-ton of problems with the idea (different laws for people living next door wouldn't work) but as a starting point, people could probably hammer out the details.
>>753043924
>muh debt
How about printing money instead of borrowing it from jews, you reddit shill?
Tax hike? I'll keep an extra $8k next year thanks to this "tax hike." Try again libtard.
>>753039341
Keep crying.
I have invested my life savings into bitcoin, bought a new house, and am starting a new sports bar with my friends. Now is the best time to invest, there is no WAY anything bad could ever happen to this massively successful agenda.
>>753043924
The biggest jumps in debt came from republican fuck ups. See Iraq war. See Medicare part d. PLUS tax cuts. See Star Wars PLUS tax cuts.
>>753044002
Literally the whole argument was "How could you have voted for this person."
Because the opposition was Hilary, that still fucking matters, they had 2 real choices and you didn't get what you wanted, acting like they were wrong to pick him is acting like she would have been better. She wouldn't, and that matters.
>>753044024
that has to be bait. please.
>>753044212
I'm fine with physical secession. Leftists get everything west of the Rockies, and liberals and conservatives get to kill each other on the eastern side because they agree on far too much as it is.
>>753043924
You don’t reduce income coming in and then increase spending.
I am the upper middle class. I’ll get 2000k back. That’s shit. Not at the expense of my kid’s future.
Businesses are never coming back. They can pay Mexican and Chinese worker less outside the USA and keep quality. Unless you plan to pay more for your clothes, it’s not happening. Amazon makes business deals and pays workers $12. Bogus shit.
>>753044025
What a great big beautiful xmas present you're getting, Eric!
Too bad about the rest of us.
>>753044221
Try looking further ahead than next year chicken and trumplings.
>You're just about ready for a socialist revolution. When you realize most of you who claim to be "conservatives" and "liberals" are all the same - you are the working class - you will also realize you should leave the differences behind you and work together. Crush the state and sieze power.
>Also, convince anyone you know who are police or military, and the revolution will be swift and peaceful.
You're the kind of person who typed this on their $4,000 MacBook Pro at a Starbucks drinking $8 hazelnut lattes with extra foam.
What you don't understand is that in the event of a true, honest-to-god Socialist revolution you will be seen as the bourgeois. Yep, you.
You probably went to college. You probably earn a fairly large amount of money. You speak eloquently and with an educated diction.
To be frank, you speak "rich".
You simply fail to understand that the majority of people in America and the world are not like you. They are uneducated, poor, and stupid. They are easily led. When a *true* socialist revolution happens they will be the ones with the power and they will hate and despise you and your liberal college educations. If you are lucky, they will put you to work in the coal mines and that's where you'll die, making fuel for the engine that enslaved you. If not, your possessions will be seized, including that nice home in the suburbs Daddy paid for that you would otherwise inherit, and you will be hated with all of the "class hate" in the world.
The power behind socialist revolutions will not be latte-sipping bisexuals at college campuses, it will be a union of rural hicks and inner city blacks. Your masters will be called Cletus and Jamal and they will drag your stupid effeminate self to the street and put a bullet in you.
You hate "racist rednecks" for supporting Trump, but those very same people are the ones you are fighting to empower, and believe me they hate your guts.
>>753043401
Exploit how? Is anyone holding a gun to your head and making you work for them so they can profit? Didn't think so.
>use their wealth to enslave
ok, now you've lost your damned mind
>>753044313
>implying /b/ doesn't stand for /b8/
>>753043980
You fag. Did you not see the FIFO req? Enjoy no loss harvesting and getting fucked sideways on cost basis.
>>753044347
The tax cuts cost less than the spending you defend.
"But who would pay for muh spending!"
>liberals want balanced budget
>lets balance the budget
>lets cut into medicaid for adults
>wait no lets instead cut defence
>invaded by China
>liberals get their socialist dream
>tfw libs are happy and the rest dead
>>753039341
>The GOP just passed the biggest middle-class tax hike in US history just to give the wealthy
I am an accountant. This is a steaming pile of bullshit.
>>753044456
>implying class interest doesn't exist
>implying that your shilling here isn't an expression of the interests of the class you fantasize yourself joining someday
You call people commies to hide the embarrassment that Marx literally wrote about you.
>>753044582
No you aren't.
>>753044212
What happens to states like WV, KY and other shitty states that take and take? The only thing they have is welfare and heroin.
Would California, CT, RI, NY, MA, WA, IL and all the wealthier states air commercials for them? “For $1 a day you can feed this hick from West Virginia without teeth”.
New Accuser
>>753044221
Not possible.
Even if the Cut-Cut-Cut Act passes the judicial test of unconstitutionality (not likely), it cannot take effect this year.
Stop lying, Donald.
>>753044582
>i am a larper on /b/
sure kid
>>753044690
Solid argument..
>>753044324
Right and left are ways of saying where you fall in the spectrum of political ideology you dumb fag. Leftist is another way of saying liberal. You're thinking being a libertarian makes you a leftist but you'd be wrong. Depending on the issues you're left right and or center. Overall most libertarians are centrists. And we can't just split physically cuz all of one group lives in the cities and all the backwoods retards live in the small towns everywhere else.
>>753044582
Can you explain the soecifics so we can understand the how and wht of it ? Not contradicting here bit would persobaly apreciate more info.
>>753044267
Pure bullshit. Go back to /pol/.
>>753044474
Your Trump increased spending and reduced revenue. What are you not getting about that? There’s already a deficit. I don’t speak retard. Not sure what you’re not getting.
>>753039341
i dont care because TRUMP is a GOD
There is a lot of money shilling this issue.
Why?
>>753043529
the "bail out" was a horrible idea - if a business cannot make it it should be allowed to fail and have another acquire it or pick up its assets. This is what WOULD have happened in a true free-market capitalist system. But conflating the bailout with lower business taxes is a mistake and not remotely an accurate comparison.
>>753044846
This whole thread belong /pol/. Gtfo.
>>753039667
You'll be paying more in taxes in about 4 years don't you worry.
>>753044708
lol. If they want. Private donors could help, but no government funding. They want to be part of the redneck retard stats, swell. They can have all the family values republican bullcrap rules they want and we can just let them implode.
>>753044267
I voted for Hillary hoping Bill would tell her to make him a sandwich while he solves our budget and spending crisis like he did in the 90s. Last time the budget was balanced and we had a surplus. All Hail BILL
>>753040401
I make 80k and use the standard deduction. no house, no business, no reason to hire an accountant.
>>753044761
About as solid as an appeal to fictitious authority. If you are an accountant please explain how the bill would affect off shore inversions. Also, how are your clients going to do loss harvesting at the end of the year?
>>753044547
Could cut the fucking defense budget in half and China still wouldn't be a threat. Eliminate the massive waste and corruption in the current system and you could reduce it by 75% and suffer no reduction in efficiency.
>>753044582
Ps. If you dont reply to anwer question then anon is right you are no acountant, just lieing fag
>>753044830
>the spectrum of political ideology you dumb fag
>the
>two private corporations define
>the
>spectrum of acceptable political thought
>being this cucked
Kill yourself, neoliberal cuck.
>>753040990
You missed the part where they owned that the guy was wrong and was punished for it and then mentioned that it's the rarity on the other side.
Same fucking thing with rapists.
>>753045193
>learn how to greentext before you greentext
>>753044982
Unfortunately, since we have no system whereby people's fates are independent of those of their employers (because that would make labor uppity, or something), and since the ruling class thinks the poor are yucky, they would rather support the businesses whose class interests they have in common than the poor who they'd rather just forget about.
>>753040401
Dumb people like you are why there's so much resistance to a bill that's going to save most people money. I make over 6 figures and I use the standard deduction as I doubt have enough deductions as a renter to itemize, plenty of other people like that too.
The only losers are people living in states with high state taxes and high local property taxes. It's a great start to 'fixing' the federal income tax as it removes incentives for state and local authorities to have high taxes while the federal government subsidizes them.
>>753045287
>learn how to, learn how to greentext before you greentext
Lmao op is a snowflake fag
>>753040296
Did they? Because all I can find is that Trump's Lawyers said that they didn't.
You know, the same lawyers that claim that they posted a dumb fucking Tweet for him.
>>753043556
>I'd love to pay more taxes
Well that's gotta be a first.
Why not keep more of the money you earned and use it how YOU see fit for your life instead of having the government reach their hands in to your pockets and then having them "provide" for you. The government isn't a parent nor does it know what's best for you... you do.
>>753045287
Be kind, Correct The Record only gave him minimal instruction.
>>753045242
But Al Franken's a DLC neoliberal rapist so he's in the clear.
>not wanting the entire democrat party and their consultants to die in a nuclear holocaust
>almost 2018
>>753044658
CPA. Can confirm
>>753045530
I ain't even gonna go fishing with that bait.
>>753044714
she's pretty cute
Judge Roy has good tatse.
>>753045456
But he is of the right mindset. He is paying for a service. If he pays more taxes, he should expect more of a service. Instead of expecting everything to be handed to you because you think they owe you something.
>>753045456
I cant create mandates that lower expenses overall. If i could afford my health insurance just by saving on taxes, ok fine, but the government could tax everyone and create an afforadable system. If they werent all fucking crooks
>>753045091
>>753045693
And he's paying us not to kill him. Government is not a business you jewish shill.
>>753045409
I make six figures too and live in a high tax state. I don’t itemize. This bill is garbage. It will cause a depression. Most upper middle class families don’t itemize. The ones that do in states like Texas and CA with high property and mortgage tax have republican representatives in the house that voted to take their deductions away. Bye bye Darrell Issa.
Kind of funny. Texans are the ones that utilize the deductions most.
i'm middle class and my taxes went down
Back to /pol/ with you faggots
>>753039341
You mean Obamacare?
>>753043887
Any idea why interest rates go up? Here's a tip... it's called "quantitative easing", or in laymen's terms: flipping the printing press for green backs in to overdrive and then dumping the newly inflated paper in to the system.
The only way to prevent massive inflation from all the printing that was done during the last month of Bush and the entire time of Obama is to "suck up" the money by increasing interest rates.
In a natural economy, there are ebbs and flows, peaks and valleys, rallys and recessions - but the extremes get worse when government intervenes by trying to interfere/manipulate with the cycle.
>>753046073
KEK> LOL. HOLY SHIT FAM. THAT WAS SO FUNNY> FUCK.
LOFUCKINGL
>>753039341
Yeah, I'm saving $1k a year. #MAGA
>>753039341
>Tired of all that winning yet cuckservitards?
CLINTON WOULD HAVE FUCKED THE US OVER FOR A 10X TAX HIKE.
THANK GOD FOR DONALD J. TRUMP
>>753045997
>The ones that do in states like Texas and CA with high property and mortgage tax have republican representatives in the house that voted to take their deductions away
You don't know much about California then
>>753045960
Empty threats. He'll do as he pleases to try to fix this country. And you will sit back and not do a damn thing about it but complain on /b/.
>>753046170
#Liar
#PaidByThePost
>>753046224
Smashing something with a hammer is a weird fucking way to fix it.
>>753046073
/thread
>>753046139
My taxes went up 6k a year because Obama care. Then I got dropped from insurance. Now a couple thousand dollar tax fine. Yep. Big fucking tax on the middle class.
Republicans for the last 8 years: "goddamn NObama increased the national debt, its out of control."
Republicans now: "more debt! who cares about the deficit anyways?"
>>753046214
I do. I lived there many years. They have republican house members in wealthy districts that use the local, state and mortgage deductions.
The democrats can take back the house probably, because Californians are going to be angry about losing their deductions. Same thing with Texans and a large portion of Georgians.
I wonder what /pol/ would be like when it's fully Jewified.
>>753046224
I'm sure he will. At least the end of this bourgeois liberal system will be coming soon. If Russia and China want to donate arms to speed it up, even better.
>>753046397
How much do you make. Why did you get dropped from your insurance and why couldn’t you get more?
>>753046073
democrats btfo
>>753046411
Not only are those niggers increasing the debt, deficit, but reducing spending.
I finally know what it is to be raped.
>>753039341
>implying im not a rich wealthy cuckservitard
OP is yet another faggot
>>753042323
Good, good sheepie. Keep protecting us.
>>753046224
Meh. I think democrats will get the house back, by way of California in 18. Maybe lose a senate seat or 2. 2020 should be fine.
>>753046548
>bourgeois liberal system
You can't reason with this level of insane stupidity.
>>753040243
Our taxes are going down.
I told you so.
It hasn't happened yet, but a year from now, remember ME. Remember that I said, "I told you so."
The libtards try so hard still. Yet the list of wins by god emperor trump is getting longer and longer every month.
You should be honored and proud to be alive in the same time as the god emperor himself
>>753046557
70k.
Ex wife had a better lawyer.
>>753044658
>implying you know anything about me
Great job not actually answering the questions.
Oh, and if you're reading Marx for his "brilliance" and "wisdom" then you're doing it wrong.
>>753046886
Noone will ever remember you nerd
>>753039341
As long as liberals are crying, I don't care how much higher my taxes get, or how many of my rights they take away. You'll be crying harder than I'll ever care, you libtard cuck faggot.
The one good thing Trump has done is put the fear of God in regressives. They were Bernie or bust and will come out in droves in 2020. I hope he continues. Every time a regressive cries, an angel gets its wing.
>>753042323
>creating money
Sounds like counterfeiting. Sounds like the lot of them ought to be shot by the Secret Service.
>>753046824
Keep projecting, democrat shill.
>>753046931
>implying your question is worth an answer
>implying that I'm as bipolar as you are
>implying that one can't accept parts of an idea
get laid, kid
>>753044658
>implying that capitalism isn't the only only economic system which has lifted more people out of poverty than any other.
>>753046557
Dropped because insurance company ended the plan. 580 for a fam of 3. Once dropped, A lesser plan with 3x the deductible and 3x the cost. Why get insurance?
>>753046819
Just so you can say a democrat is president? The parties haven't actually represented the people's ideologies in decades. They spew whatever nonsense they can to get votes and then do whatever they want whenever they het into office. We've chosen a cow turd over a horse turd. Why? Because we all wanted to be right and half of us won and half of us lost.
>>753044449
>I'm under the age of 25 and edgy
>>753047274
>le /pol/ talking points
>implying that the USA hasn't spent trillions of dollars fighting the threat of a good example
Kill yourself, neoliberal.
>>753044449
>implying that people can't educate themselves
>being literally this cucked to the authority figures in their lives
Spay and neuter yourself, kid. Interests override markers.
>>753047326
I am democrat and they do represent me more now than ever. I’m a free market pro TPP, pro progressive tax system, pro choice, funding science/medicine and all that other shit.
>>753042538
Why the fuck should I pay for you being a failure?
I live in California, I'm middle class. Fuck you stop trying to take my money.
When will fucking hicks from cousinfuckistan stop sucking on the richer states dicks? Now you have a cuck of a faggot in the white house giving you more of our cum.
>>753046170
No you aren't. You're ignoring the fact that your state and local taxes, and mortgage income, aren't excluded anymore. For most American middle class types, that won't be offset entirely by the larger SD, meaning you're going to pay 1K less in Fed Taxes, but your overall tax burden will go up.
>>753047717
My taxes are set to go up $600.
Not sure whether I'll make it the next few months because of it.
>>753039341
This just in: Libcucks still ass-blasted a year later.
>Won't win the Presidency
>Russia Russia Russia
>Won't get anything done
>Russia Russia Russia
>Won't last a week
>Pee Gate
>Won't last a month
>Russia Russia Russia
>Won't last six months
>>753042538
fuckin idiot. When rich blue states stop paying as much in taxes, all you fuckin red states are gonna get less gov't bennies.
>>753047306
I guess it depends on the state. I agree. A family of 4 making 70k qualifies for Medicaid in my state.
Family of 3 tops out at 65k. Sucks dude. Obamacare helped me a lot. My kid has autism and insurance had to pay for his Aba, speech and OT. Couldn’t restrict him anymore.
>>753047597
And you say you're for unions right? Our union workers are at a stand still without work because of the TPP. We've outsourced so much Chinese steel that our mills have gone under and have slim hope of coming back up. And Hillary was only pro choice when it became "popular" and would get her votes. Rolls back to my statement. They bullshit you out of your vote and then don't follow on with their word, at least the presidency portion.
>>753047964
NJ. Mine go up too. I have to budget in 3K more in tax payment. I'm "thrilled". But at least I know Oklahomos are gonna get most of that extra pay, and I'll still be driving on an I-95 that's 90% pothole. While making the tax monies that those okie fucks will spend on Meth.
>>753047996
>Cali isn't 400 billion in debt
Kek
>>753048035
hahah fucking trump voter crying about not getting to get gov't money. has to go work for his own health care .
'but muh autism kid'.
Fuck you, cuck. Work harder, get a second job, and kill your kid. Then you'll have money.
>>753047717
I live in CT (high income well educated state) nice upper class area with good schools for my monsters. They don’t get why all their towns and shit look like shit and offer nothing, because no one wants to pay For shit.
If figure hell is probably similar to Alabama or West Virginia.
>>753048243
I do work for it nigger. The issue was insurance companies not wanting to pay when people got sick. People would pay their entire lives and then get cancer. Treatments become limited and then their policies cancelled. That’s what Obamacare is a law that protects people from money hungry profit driven is ruined companies.
I have tricare now, but still. I know a lot of families that struggle to get their kid services.
Your mom should’ve spit you in a napkin.
>>753047326
Obama got close, except he still cowtowed to stupid charter school shit instead of pushing for parental accountability, and couldn't just call 'bullshit' on the GOP's antics.
If he'd stood up to them a bit more, we'd be better off.
>>753048243
Trump voters are toothless, Hicks who do drugs. They don’t move anywhere with work and are not educated. They want handouts.
Bitch about a Mexican or Chinese duck who travel by any means to get here and work, but those niggers can’t leave the south or Midwest. Lazy. I am tired of picking up their tabs.
>>753048066
Unions are still representing workers. The problem there is that we refuse to tax those who make the most off the workers, and allow corporate loopholes to drop the effective tax rate to near zero. If we lowered the rate and ended loopholes, we'd repatriate the money, use more in wages, and fix it all.
Instead, Trump lowered the rate, opened more loopholes, and fucked us hard.
>>753048136
it's the fifth largest economy on earth, you mong.
>>753047717
>your money
It's our money. We simply let you use it to compel us to work.
>>753048785
>still representing workers
Only sort of. Taft-Hartley is literally the death of effective unionism.
>>753048066
I am Union, but some unions get crazy. Our union did away with pensions for new employees, in place of a 401k. Also reduced paid time off. Still making $45 an hour and get a match in my 401k. It’s also automation.
It’s all about compromise. Trump hires illegals and buys shit from China.
>>753048592
wahhh. Libcuck. The insurance companies are so bad and it's obummer's fault. wahhhh. In the old days people just died, now obummer made me get bad health care. wahhh.
drown your kid.
and yourself.
>Tricare
gov't teat sucking shitlord. Stop taking my taxes for your fucked up kid.
>>753048728
Toothless, but their choice sure bites.
>>753048897
bluh bluh unions.
>>753048830
With the Silicon Valley, Hollywood, San Francisco, LA, San Diego...there’s be less tax money.
I don’t think peopl get that blue states pay most of the taxes, because it’s where the most educated and most innovative live.
>>753049109
>bluh bluh trade associations
Why's it okay for you but not us, jewnigger?
>>753049002
Why would a drown my kid? You’re paying bitch. Get over it. Who is Obummer?
Are you autistic. Maybe if your whore mother advocated for you. You wouldn’t be so fucked up.
>>753039341
We'll be fine...
