I'm a national socialistAMA
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I'm a national socialist
AMA
That doesnt mean anything
>>752786439
What’s north of the North Pole?
>>752786439
Were your parents supportive when you came out?
>>752786439
Not without a national socialist party you're not.
What is the meaning of life? Is there a god or are we a cosmic accident?
>>752786721
Not at first.. My mother used to cry everytime we discussed politics and would often threaten to make me go see a rabbi (I was around 15-16 at the time I came out and was somewhat of an edgelord when it came to talking about my ideology).
I told her that I'd love to meet a rabbi and explain to him why I hold the views that I hold. This would just make her cry even more..
My dad just got irritated and would start yelling about "never forgetting the 6 million" even though I don't even support the idea of genocide.
My grandmother on my father's side though, she loved it when I told her. She grew up in Europe during WW2, and she's often told me about watching the German soldiers training and marching, while she was with her friends. She's also told me numerous times about how she wishes the Germans had won the war. We're a lot closer now because of the fact.
By the way, my parents are a lot more supportive now, and we actually see eye to eye on a lot of issues. I've redpilled them to some degree
>>752786975
You and your entire family are garbage.
>>752787079
Hey OP, I smell a high IQ on this one. Supreme g loads!
>>752786719
Is there anything North of the North Pole? I don't know fam
>>752786735
National socialism isn't just a party, but also an ideology
>>752786917
I used to be very Christian, but my views have now shifted towards being Christian-Agnostic. Since our universe has a system in every aspect from the planetary to the atomic level, I don't think everything is a coincidence. This is the only proof I have that there is in fact a creator.
>>752787079
Care to explain why? Also, why not ask me something that can educate you, instead of going straight for personal attacks?
>>752786735
Its funny how Germany is actually now national socialist nation yet not the fail squad from that era. Benefits all and exterminated none and it's one of the richest nations in the world. They got it right, all they had to do was subtract mass genocide from their agenda and just look at the success.
>>752787129
Hahah I know, right? There's a reason why there's been an increase in redpilled people lately. Most of us are actually pretty well educated on the subject and can be articulate, while the people whom oppose us just like to spew hatred.
>>752787182
This. But we have to remember that the allied forces didn't have any moral high grounds either..
Russia killed 20 million people by starving and working people to death, England starved 2.2 million people in India to death, and the US imprisoned innocent japanese civs and put them into concentration camps, just because of their race. They also bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nuclear bombs, where some people in the area still have genetical problems. Nobody had the moral high ground during the war, which is why I feel like I've picked the lesser of all the evils.
>>752786975
So... You don't support genocide but bonded with your grandmother over wishing the Nazis had won wwii? You realize that they would have continued with the extermination of other races also know as...?
>>752787419
All nations commited genocide at that point in time, so I don't really see how rooting for the allies was any better.
Also, Hitler first started off wanting to deport the jews (Look up the Haavara agreement), but had to start cutting funds in 1939 because of the beginning of world war 2
>>752787353
The people who generally oppoae you are any random members of the public. If you hold an unpopular idea, you are bound to find lots of idiots who disagree just because the alternative is popular. It keans little being smarter than the weakest of the populace, the ones who tend to spew hatred regardless of the opinion they are opining on. There are plebty of coherent arguments out there, but biases in where you do you debating and who you associate with probably thumb the scale in your favor a bit to your mind.
>>752787604
All nations were systematically wiping people out to the extent of Germany at this time? Provide proof of this nonsense claim against the United States of America.
>>752787353
>>genetical
>>752787604
Also yes I know he wanted to deport the Jews. The plan changed. You are being disingenious to pretend it wasn't an atrocity because others killed people too. Its an obvious false equivalence fallacy
>>752787629
To continue, I noticed this trend while doing athiesty things incollege. If you hold an opinion different than the majority, especially an opinion the majority gets emotional about, it is easy to push someone's buttons and make them sound like a babbling moron. That doesnt mean you are more right than them, just that they (predictably) lost control of their emotions, being less practiced at debate and less inmediately studied on the material
>>752787629
Could you explain why the views I hold are wrong though? I have desperatley tried to find problems with the ideology I follow just to say that I'm not a "nazi", and I have discussed these issues with tons of people from libertarians, to communists, to Stalinist/Leninist-socialists, and it has always ended up with them becoming irrational and emotional, without actually disproving any of my points.
>>752787733
Hung over and English isn't my first language ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>752787698
"The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000[5] people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast. 62 percent of the internees were United States citizens."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans)
Also, 200,000 dead in Hiroshima and nagasaki bombings.
(http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml)
Let's also not forget about the bombing runs that the allied forces did in Germany which also killed tens of thousands of innocents during the war.
>>752787760
How is it a false equivalence fallacy? Explain to me how Russia and England are allowed to come off as scott-free while being responsable for the deaths of millions of people?
>>752788074
America did not kill the Japanese in these camps. Casualty estimates for continued firebombing in Japan would have done much more civilian damage. At the time, total war was our only option. The Japanese themselves font contest that they were not about to surrender. The persistent pressure of allied bombing campaigns ans the threat of invasion from ussr and the usa was enough to force a surrender. There is a difference between announced bombing raids (Japan told their people to ignore our planes. We dropped phamplets telling them where and when we were bombing.) and gassing children. False equivalence.
>>752788173
Dod I say Scott free or did I say germany winning would have led to continued genocide? Yes, killing in war is bad. Rounding up and killing millions of families because of their race or disability is worse. It wasnt just the Jews either
>>752786439
why don't you fucking kill yourself you little bitch
>>752788074
I have no problem with national socialism as an idea (basically most of Roman history could be called this in some arguments), but Nazis would not likely have made this world I enjoy. Hitler's plan involved a ww3 with america after the 2 grew to encompass the entire world. That sounds like it would wreck lots of folks for no reason
>>752786439
hows being an edgy teenager going?
>>752788288
>America did not kill the Japanese in these camps
You might be right, but isn't it funny that they didn't allow the red cross to come in and examine their camps (unlike Germany)?
It's also funny that japanese soldiers decided to throw themselves off of cliffs rather than be captured by American troops and put into camps. Rlymakesyouthink
>>752788393
>Cutting supply routes to a country to make them starve a slow painful death is better than rounding up people and giving them a quick(er) death because it's systemized.
What the British and Russians did might have been more passive, but I can guarantee you that those people suffered a lot more.
Also, the US still continues to kill thousands of people in the middle east daily, to help Israel with their expancive conquest. How is this not unethical?
>>752788480
Another example
>>752788512
Kamerad
>>752788618
Got any sources? I've never heard of that before. Thanks for the info :)
>>752788625
Why don't you ask me what my views are instead of calling me edgy? Doesn't seem like you know much about National socialism. Where are it's flaws?
>>752788810
>Why don't you ask me what my views are instead of calling me edgy?
Because you said "AMA"
that translates to "ask me ANYTHING"
I didnt realize that is was an ask me about nationalism thread
>Doesn't seem like you know much about National socialism. Where are it's flaws?
>2017
>globalized world
>muh nationalism
your tribalism bullshit is fading
>>752786439
Why do you subscribe to a political leaning which fully depends on burning through national reserves (by artificially bloating the economic sector through massive privatization and government spending) and therefore necessitates offensive war/foreign reparations?
Especially considering that gaining clay creates more costs than benefits in today's society.
From an objective standpoint and even ignoring the ideological retardations generally associated with the political concept, even at the time it was a wonky af idea.
>>752788512
The moment you are retarded enough to belive racism had something to do with the 3rd reich.
Retard
>>752788810
You claim that to cut off supply routes to an enemy is the same as rounding up OUR OWN citizens and killing them because of their race? You don't see how that's a false equivalence? Japan had propaganda campaigns against the usa, of course they didnt want to be captured. You are grasping at conspiracy straws
>>752788972
It's funny, because it seems like the farther away we wander from our basic instincts like tribalism, the more people long for it. It's recently been discovered that generation Z will most likely be as traditionalistic and nationalistic as the generation that grew up before the war. Conservatism and nationalism is becoming the new counter culture in our society, which may be the reason why us Gen-Zers support the concept so much.
I'd also like to remind you that the thoughts on nationalism etc that we have today are very simular to how we felt about it after World War 1. We can also see how the majority of western countries are pushing for the same ideas that the Weimar republic had, such as normalizing homosexuality/transsexuality, sexual liberation, and drug abuse. We can also see how this culture is affecting our birth rates (much like the declining birth rates of the Weimar).
History loves to repeat itself, and I think we're on the brink of entering another tribalist and traditionalist period. Only time will tell though
>>752788810
I don't have sources now, but it was from my political philosophy course at uni that I drew this parallel. The Nazi political structure was marked by a very strong central government giving direction on nearly every aspect of life. The ideology was one of "germany is great, wouldnt it be great if the entire world could be like us. There would be no war and everyone would get to live in the hest country ever"
Romans had the same expansionist ideology through most of the imperial period and were also marked by a strong centrall government which controlled most aspects of daily life
>>752789367
not on /his/ you guys get BTFO THERE EVERYDAY
>>752789059
Forced meme
The German economy was first failing due to the reparations that Germany "owed" the allies after the treaty of versailles. As soon as Hitler said he refused to pay this, while at the same time switching to a different currency, he could focus all of the national funding into building infrastructure. By providing basic needs like housing, transportation, radios and jobs to the German people, he was able to industrialize and build Germany to become the most powerful country during the "hard 30's". This in turn resulted in higher birth rates, which would provide Germany with a greater work force in the future.
>tl;dr
Germany would have been just as well, if not better off, if they didn't annex surrounding countries.
>>752789644
They would have been much better off if they stopped early on after some annexation, before UK entered. Thats what most world leaders in history did. Grab some land, call it quits for a bit
>>752789551
I think you're mixing National socialism with the aspects of Marxist-Trotskyism.
Germany didn't wish to expand beyond Lebensraum, whilst Trotsky's and Marx's ideas were to expand and create worker revolutions all over the world.
>>752789586
I'll have to check that out
>>752789741
I agree. They should have stopped with Austria (which actually welcomed German annexation).
The surrounding countries would most likely join Germany out of their own free will eventually, after seeing the economic success of Nazi Germany's policies.
>>752790048
I am most certainly not. Taking the German speaking lands was crucial to the ideology, but its still hugely expansionist to want to annex that entire area. Especially since not all of these people wanted to be Germans, but sonce the Germans felt they WOULD want to once their eyes saw their heritage at its full potential
>>752789367
>It's funny, because it seems like the farther away we wander from our basic instincts like tribalism, the more people long for it
yes the retards who think nationality means something
>Conservatism and nationalism is becoming the new counter culture in our society
Well these are the same people who think abortion is murder, evolution isnt real and vaccines dont work. Aka retards
What do you think about Slavs such as Poles or Russians ?
>>752790048
Btw you never responded above
>>752789169
Do you honestly believe that fighting an enemy and disrupting their logistics (even if that causes starvation) or bombing an enemy is morally equvalent to exterminating groups of your own and your conquered people due only to ethnicity or can you simply concede your original argiment was a false equivalence? You can support the ideology without supporting the current historical implementations and you will be taken much more seriously. At least by me. Not that that matters.
Heil guys.
>>752790196
Global domination =/= wanting to build Lebensraum?
Not sure what you're getting at here mate
>>752790223
Got any statistics on that? My closest friends now share the same views as me, and they don't believe any of that bullshit.
Remember
Not all gen-xers are infowars fans.
>>752790299
I've been to Poland, and all I can say is that there are very beautiful people there. Definately 100% European.
I'm not really sure where people got Hitler's views on polacks from, since they were a crucial part of the Lebensborn program. If they were seen as inferior, why did NS Germany want polish people to mix with German?
As for Russians, the people who live on the west part are European, while people on the East are semi slavic/semi mongol. Russia doesn't just have one demographic since it's so big lol, and there are tons of different peoples and cultures there. So define "russian"
>>752790392
What did I not respond to? Also, killing millions of people is killing millions of people, no?
How were Ukranian and Indian civilians enemies of Russia and England?
>>752790817
Nice bro, I've started collecting a bit my self now. Started this summer when I came across an antique shop in Warsaw
>pic related
>>752790817
>>752791060
I also have a repurposed stahlhelm and an original Kar98k from 1940 with all it's original serial markings:
>>752786439
Weak ass pussies need their white boi safe space.
>>752791060
>Got any statistics on that? My closest friends now share the same views as me, and they don't believe any of that bullshit.
Conservatives and nationalist tend to be republicans or align themselves with that party. The republication party is know to be antiabortion and antiscience. Just look at the current administration and the policies they are trying to shape
>>752791360
Common misconception
We believe that every race/culture has a right to it's own homeland, where they can breed out the best of their own people, and where they can expand on their own culture. This means ethnostates for everyone, like Europans, Jews, Africans, middle easterners, and south east asians.
I am against colonialism, and I'm against what the confederacy stood for.
>>752791498
>implying the rest of the world follows the black and white tendencies of American politics
>>752786439
Translation:
>I'm a failure in life and and so my quickly deflating ego is easily influenced by propaganda from the middle of the last fucking century.
What a faggot
>>752790048
Why do people think chinese history is impressive? The chinese have invented nothing. They stole almost every invention from the indo-europeans. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS
>>752790223
>same people who think abortion is murder
Usually, those who don't think abortion is murder are the ones who can rationalize the murder of anyone. They place no intrinsic value on humans.
>>752791673
>implying the rest of the world follows the black and white tendencies of American politics
Im sorry assumed you were american, nationalism is growing in the USA and it is sicking and retard (because they all fit the antiscience conservative redneck profile). Also you do not have to be american to be Republican
>>752791498
>antiscience
muh 97% muh blank slate muh race as a social construct
>antiabortion
anti slaying of a human life for your own personal convenience and written off int he most despicable possible ways
>basically a parasite :^)
>its the womans body lol she can kill it if she wants
>>752791828
>nationalism is growing in my country and it's sickening and retarded
Kill yourself before people like you vote our nation into poverty please
>>752791060
This is what you have refused to respond to: Do you believe it is equivalent to fight an enemy in total war when they are using total war on your allies vs to kill people in your lands due to ethnicity? This is the root of my argument, as reiterated several times above. I believe that the fighting a war is something none really want, but it can be justified. To claim civilian death as a result of war and civilian death at the hands of those governing their lands separate from the conflict are the same is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Any with eyes can confirm I have reiterated this same question above. Do you honestly feel this is equivalent?
>>752791785
>guise ill use my tip my fedora meme because he is right and i can discredit it
>>752791754
Read through the thread and explain to me how I'm wrong in any aspects what so ever, and I'll take your critisizm seriously.
>>752791828
I live in Europe, but I have family in the US, so I guess you're half right.
I must say though, it was the US elections that really got me to read up and educate myself on ideology and the current political state of the world. So Donald Trump is in part responsable for my redpilling.
>>752791974
killing millions of people is killing millions of people, no?
How were Ukranian and Indian civilians enemies of Russia and England?
Responded to here:
>>752791060
>>752791824
do you eat chicken eggs? congrats you just help abort chicken babies
>>752792063
Its outside the scope on the original argument.
See:
>>752787698
Youre the one making weak claims, I dont have to defend all these places you bring up since I've made zero claims based on these. So again. You chose this argument, concede or provide evidence of your claim.
>>752786439
>I'm a national socialist
Let me get this straight. You want someone to refute national socialism? If that is so, please state positions of national socialism that appeal to you.
>>752791926
That happened over the weekend when the Repubs passed their awesome tax cut bill. I cant wait for those altruistic, nongreedy and compassionate business owners to share their profits with me. Kek
So after the war are you gonna get shot in the streets like a dog or try to run away to a 3 world shit hole and hide?
>>752792022
>So Donald Trump is in part responsable for my redpilling.
yea the only progress he has made has been to get people pissed off enough to care about politics.
>>752792355
>tax cuts
>poverty
It's STARTLING how backwards you view this issue
>>752792063
Oh and as I said above. I don't want any nations to be "off Scott free". I simply feel you are being disingenuous as pertains the equivalence between the usa defending itself and its allies at this time, as per scope, and genocide.
>>752792198
>do you eat chicken eggs? congrats you just help abort chicken babies
Really? Is that your argument? I also eat steak and BBQ sandwiches.
Please make an argument for as to why human fetuses aren't human or as to why its ok to kill human fetuses.
>>752792355
Do you realize America had and still has some of the highest corporate tax rates int he world? The socialist hellholes people like you love to jerk off over all have less than half our corporate tax rates, which is why rich companies go there and buff their economy instead of fleeing america and holding all their money in offshore accounts
>>752786975
lol a jew wanting to be a nazi.
>>752792519
Yeah, I don't think the change to a 20% corporate tax rate is what most Americans are worried about though. The state income tax credit loss os the biggest complaint I've been hearing
>>752792500
b-b-but the mother's right not to be uncomfortable for a while, you can't infringe on that.
therefore infringe on another individual's right to live at all
>>752792584
He literally said>>752792355
>awesome tax cut bill. I cant wait for those altruistic, nongreedy and compassionate business owners to share their profits with me. Kek
>>752792500
Also eggs in the store are not fertilized generally
>>752792624
Shit my bad
>>752792450
thinks business owners wont take their tax cut and will share it with other. Thinks considering tuition stipends for grad students as income is good and should be taxed instead of the wealthy businesses. Cool tax plan man
>>752786439
So are you a racist nazi or an actual socialist with nationalistic ideals?
>>752792251
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're getting at here. By the way, >>752787698 isn't me
>>752792381
>unironically tanki LARPing
>>752792425
Works for me fam
>>752792477
>Defending itself
>Bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians all over the world after losing roughly 3000 people in the attack on Pearl Harbor
Stop holding countries to different moral standards just because you come from that country.
>>752792500
Lol and the worst part is that chicken eggs that we eat aren't even fertile.. So they wouldn't become baby chicks anyways
>>752792572
I'm an agnostic Christian. The reason she wanted me to talk to a rabbi is because of my "anti-semetic" views.
ITT: OP THINKS THE NAZIS SHOULDA WON BECAUSE HE THINKS ALL COUNTRIES COMMITTED GENOCIDE BACK IN 1940S
>>752792519
>guise lets tax grad students more, they have money to make up our deficit.
>>752792695
Yeah. Its my post to which you replied. Hence starting this discussion.
>>752792695
So you think nations shouldnt go to war if attacked? How does that gel with national socialism?
>>752792695
Also, again, my entire point is that the standards literally are different. One bombed nations they were at war with who had shown they used total war tactics. The other one rounded up and killed millions of the people under their governance. I don't think these are the same, morally, and I challenged you to prove they were. You never did so, and this I take my leave.
>>752792694
Define "racist"
I believe in the differences between ethnic groups, and I also believe that these ethnic groups should be kept together and refrain from mixing. But do I support murdering people because of their heritage? No.
Different races have different attributes, and they should all have the right to excel and grow at their own pace, with their own people.
>>752792735
Not at all. Where did you get this argument from?
>>752792786
Fighting soldiers =/= killing innocent people. Jesus what a flimsy arguement.
All I'm saying is that one party of the war likes to act like they were morally superior to the other party. I'm pointing out the fact that all sides were bad.
I'm simply choosing the lesser of the evils.
>>752792756
>>752792786
>>752792900
Pretend this is one post
>>752786439
Q: Why do you think anyone cares about your viewpoint
>>752792910
They declared war on the usa and they got whooped. Thats not the same as germany committing genocide.
>>752792900
Cutting supply lines and starving people out is better than killing people actively how?
If you had the choise of taking a bullet, or being starved to death over the course of weeks while seeing your family slowly slip into madness and disease because of the lack of food, which would you choose?
>>752792601
>mother's right not to be uncomfortable for a while, you can't infringe on that
Wow. As far as know that is no such right. The right not to be uncomfortable. And even if there was that right wouldn't supersede the rights of another to life.
Here's an analogy that might help you. 5 People are on a small aircraft flying over the Atlantic. The setting is very tight. Halfway through the flight one passenger's leg goes to sleep making them uncomfortable. It would be murder to throw the passenger next to him/her out just because one is uncomfortable.
>>752793031
Because they declared war and their allies attacked our soil. Literally any nation at any tome has defended itself against attack. Sometimes that means taking their cities down brick by brick.
So do you wear a fedora or a trilby?
>>752786439
How's the 8th grade going?
>>752792500
>>do you eat chicken eggs? congrats you just help abort chicken babies
>Really? Is that your argument? I also eat steak and BBQ sandwiches.
>Please make an argument for as to why human fetuses aren't human or as to why its ok to kill human fetuses
when the birth or baby is risking the health of the mother, rape cases where the victum becomes pregnant, being responsible and knowing you can not support a human for 18+ years
>inb4 birth control, yes BC helps but it doesnt help when repubs are trying to take that away too.
>>752793031
What you are describing is war. What i am asking is: do you consider war and genocide at the hands of your own government morally equivalent?
>>752792947
Clearly a lot of people do, considering the amount of replies that I have recieved.
Also, it is seen as a quite controversial viewpoint today, which might wake interest.
>>752792994
Which one of the 200,000 japanese civilians or the 20,000 german civilians declared war on Germany? Sorry, I can't seem to remember.
>>752793093
Hahaha when did Ukraine or India declare war on anyone?
>>752793109
None
>>752793165
I wouldn't know
>>752793221
See the response to
>>752793093
here:
>>752793241
Also, in the response to >>752792994, I meant "declared war on the US", not "on Germany"
>>752793241
So which views of the national socialist do you find appealing?
>>752793241
People here would reply to AMA about "I just ate snickers" and they would start arguing about why snickers is shit, eventually thread would transform itself into 'hitler was right' mixed with trap thread
it's not controversial, it's simply silly
>>752793413
I did just eat an Almond Joy.
>>752793241
You refuse to stick to the established scope. I asked about America in my first post. You replied and chose this argument. I have answered you several tomes about these other nations. I have offered historical precedent on the natire of what happens when war is declared (nations defend themselves). I have asked if you refute this, you offer the same "their people didn't declare war". Do you think wars happen in a bubble? Study history and you will see this is not the case. The fact is you made a claim that the usa at the time and Nazi Germany at the tome were morally equivalent. Its clear you won't concede despite the obvious: you have no proof to offer and refuse to even answer if you yourself believe it to be equivalent. I hope you think on this.
>>752786439
sei geil mein fuhrer
>>752793084
Here's an analogy that might help you.
A deadly disease strikes a household and is put into quarantine. There is no cure and allowing them to leave the house ever would mean certain death for the community. Killing them will shave the community. Is murder justified?
>>752786439
That is just silly. You can't be a member of something that no longer exists.
It's like claiming you're a Spartan. You can make that claim all you like, but there aren't any Spartans anymore.
>>752793496
Too long , didn't read
>>752793561
Show me "what op said about every book on history he has ever encountered" lol
>>752792663
Virtually every American is getting a tax cut, you absolute mong. The only people who aren't already didn't pay taxes.
>>752793693
And some lower middle class in California and new york due to state taxes
>>752793084
Did you even read the entire post? Like, with context? Like when I literally say "the right to be uncomfortable supercedes the right to live"?
Like the whole thing is an obvious reduction to absurdity?
>>752793535
Unwanted babies are certain death for the entire community, got it.
>>752793379
Mostly the health campaigns, worker's rights, focus on ethnocentric nationalism, boosting the economy, helping the German middle-lower class have better ways of live, and the industrialization that helped create an economic boom and a flood of jobs.
I also like the fact that they were the first people to come with laws to protect the enviroment, that they were against animal testing, and that they came out with the first anti-smoking campaigns.
>>752793496
Of course America wasn't as bad as Germany during WW2, what kind of question is that? But the people they chose to allign themselves with, and some of the disgusting acts they did during WW2 cannot simply be forgotten.
Also, the standards for soldiers were better on the axis' side than on the allied side.
>>752793521
:)
>>752793542
National socialism is an ideology, not a party.
Their party was the NSDAP, the National Socialists German Workers Party. I never claimed to be a party member?
>>752793561
This isn't me
Are you white?
>>752793791
Ok now THAT was a false equivalence lol
>>752793535
>A deadly disease strikes a household and is put into quarantine.
So you are saying that a fetus is like a deadly disease and will kill everyone when it is born so it is ok to kill it.
And still no. You don't burn the house down. You quarantine as you stated.
>>752793824
>abortion
>here's an analogy that might help you understand abortion
>here's another analogy that might help you understand abortion
>in your analogy...
>FALSE EQUIVALENCY
>>752793821
Yes.
>>752793810
Ok yeah I think we agree then. This entire time I thought you felt the USA during ww2 ans germany during ww2 were morally equivalent.
I totally agree that really everyone throughout history has fucked up. If we only look at ideologies by those who imperfectly implement them we will toss out good ideas. So, tell us what national socialism is all about. I'm ready to hear your ideology.
>>752793861
>And still no. You don't burn the house down. You quarantine as you stated.
Not even that guy, but you're wrong here.
Someone caught the literal plague from opening up a centuries old bottle. You have to burn it to the ground.
>>752793959
Sorry I was just joking. Kind of poking at an argument I had been having in the thread. It was a callback, like in stand-up. I don't think it translates well, didnt mean to derail
>>752793693
I am appyling to grad schools for fall 2018. most grad programs give you tuition stipends, this used to be not taxable. Now it will be. This is money that I dont ever really see or get a choice how its used. It would bump my "income" from maybe 30k (the stipend i receive to live off of) if i am lucky as a grad student, to about 75-80K. I dont have the same income or lifestyle as someone making 75-80K as a grad student
>>752794022
You could do that after they live out their lives on their property if thats what they want to do
>>752793963
Haha yeah, sorry about the misunderstandings.
As I mentioned in the post, the positive aspects of national socialism are:
Mostly the health campaigns, worker's rights, focus on ethnocentric nationalism, boosting the economy, helping the German middle-lower class have better ways of live, and the industrialization that helped create an economic boom and a flood of jobs.
I also like the fact that they were the first people to come with laws to protect the enviroment, that they were against animal testing, and that they came out with the first anti-smoking campaigns
If you want specifics or sources to some of these claims, just let me know.
>>752794063
Nah, it probably would have worked if I weren't so worked up by literal commies in this thread.
I'm not even arguing for or against abortion, just that it's a total joke when people act like the woman's "right to self-determination" is what's important when TWO INDIVIDUALS ARE CONCERNED
It's like...
>horrible super-science accident
>two men fused together
>one is a face poking out of someone's torso
>he murders the face in cold blood instead of waiting 8 months for doctors to perform a complicated procedure to remove him
Well, I mean, he had a right to his own body, right?
>>752794088
Everyone always says students have it too easy financially right?
>>752794108
Your NAP is bullshit, plague carriers get shot and disposed of. One man's right to life is not equivalent to all of mankind's right to life.
>>752793771
Please make an argument for as to why human fetuses aren't human or as to why its ok to kill human fetuses.
>>752793861
no i am saying if the baby being there or being born will effect the health of the mother then it should be acceptable to abort it. Or if it is known that the baby is not healty. What you dont seem to understand is the cost of being pregnant and raising a child for 18+ years or that not all fetuses are healthly
>>752794108
>tornado tears through, spreads plague carriers across county
>entire county infected
>3 years later
>0 humans left
>this motherfucker's brain was preserved as an AI by me just so he can regret his moronic ethics
>>752793962
Will you stand behind non Jews who attack other races? My race in theory is not publicly fighting the Jews and I hate Muslims those are the only two fighting them
>>752794253
READ THE FIRST ONE. THEN READ THE SECOND ONE. THEN GOOGLE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
>>752794181
Its never been a topic I've cared about myself one way or another. If its going to hurt the mother I am more inclined towards allowing it, otherwise I think we need to just decide what we consider life as a group and go with it. That's the real question posed by pro-choice generally. That it isn't really an individual yet and therefore doesnt have any rights. I personally have no clue
>>752794237
Thats never been the case that humans were treated this way and we've survived plagues many times.
>>752794253
When the baby is not healthy, when being pregnant or giving birth risks the health of the mother, when a rape victim becomes pregnant, when a pregnant mother/couple decides they can not support a child for 18+ years
>>752794477
>it's never been the case that people were quarantined and killed for having a supervirus that could kill all of mankind
Well, no shit. Do you know what hypothetical situations are, or are you really that retarded?
>>752794298
Lol ok, debate ex machina here came up with a convoluted situation and then made it even more convoluted, but if you call him out on his impossible situation you aren't doing it right I'm sure
>>752794559
>quarantined with deadly virus
>just quarantine forever
>what about this
>SO CONVOLUTED AND INSANE
>>752794558
What a shock, see:
>if you call him out on his impossible situation you aren't doing it right I'm sure
>>752786439
no. fuck you.
>>752794477
The situation described is basically identical to Stephen King's The Stand, in which if one single character had been shot and killed the entire outbreak would have been contained and the whole world would have been fine.
>>752794614
It already was. Plagues don't even work this way. We dont exterminate each other generally, that's why we are able to build societies.
>>752793810
>Mostly the health campaigns, worker's rights, focus on ethnocentric nationalism, boosting the economy, >helping the German middle-lower class have better ways of live, and the industrialization that helped create an >economic boom and a flood of jobs.
>I also like the fact that they were the first people to come with laws to protect the enviroment, that they were >against animal testing, and that they came out with the first anti-smoking campaigns.
What do you think of these (from 25 Points of the NAZI Party). Please go point by point.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
>>752794620
>impossible situation
... You think a supervirus is an impossible situation? My god, you are autistic.
>>752794664
Life isnt a fucking king novel. My morality isn't based on horror fiction in 5 spooky steps
>>752794668
>plagues don't even work this way
You're so anti-science that you don't understand how RNA works, and you don't understand that we were lucky enough to have immunities to some of these things.
Do you not realize that entire species have been wiped out due to plagues that not one single member of said species has a resistance to?
>>752787145
I don't listen to garbage, and I don't educate it, I simply throw it out with all the other trash.
>>752794707
You're applying your "morality" to a hypothetical situation in which you know letting a family live for their fee fees and yours risks killing every single living human.
You're literally saying "but humans can't float, therefore your hypothetical question about humans floating into space is retarded! haha!"
Except the idea of a supervirus isn't fantasy, it's just not currently empirical reality.
>>752794800
Good, jump in the bin, then. Because you're ideological trash if you can't bother trying to deradicalize a neo-nazi and think you can laugh at them and drive them out of public discourse and have that not lead to private radicalizations of people until we have a legitimate radical nazi population because dickheads had to "throw away the garbage :^)"
But you don't care, do you, you vapid, virtue signalling bigot?
>>752794022
>Someone caught the literal plague from opening up a centuries old bottle. You have to burn it to the ground.
There could be an argument for it. But that argument is certainly not the same argument as abortion.
It might be closer to this: The mother has cancer and needs chemotherpy. Baby will die. Not an easy choice, but reasonable.
>>752794928
Of course, I'm not even sure the original "do you kill a house full of plague-bearers" hypothetical was about abortion. I think it was some nazi stuff.
I just jumped in because one of the two guys was being a complete and absolute retard
>haha no you have to be ethically sound, just let the danger to all of humanity live its life out to be fair
>haha the last plague didn't kill us all, so the next one wont either
>>752794258
>What you dont seem to understand is the cost of being pregnant and raising a child for 18+ years or that not all fetuses are healthly
I understand it completely. Suck it up. Get a job. Put it up for adoption.
>>752794377
>Reductio_ad_absurdum
I know exactly what it is. Maybe you aren't following the original argument I brought up. Or maybe, I'm not following your argument. If you think you were, please state the argument and why it is absurd.
>>752795276
>>752792601
Read this post again and again until you feel like an idiot, because you are.
>>752795335
>>752795276
You're not wrong about your logical positions, just really stupid.
>>752795079
>get a job
tell that to the highschool or college girl that gets pregnant. Just drop out and get a job. Im sure working at mcdonalds will be enough to support their baby
Adoption has always been an option, but the process isnt easy and cheap. Its not like they have a drop off bin at the hospital.
>>752795490
No, you're right. That's all too difficult. Better to just kill the human life over the inconvenience it poses to another human life through no decision of its own
>>752794509
>When the baby is not healthy
Still not a blank slate. Would depend on issue
>giving birth risks the health of the mother
Possible that abortion is a reasonable solution
>rape victim becomes pregnant
Probably not a good reason to kill some one
>pregnant mother/couple decides they can not support a child for 18+ years
Adoption is a good option. Or maybe they can make sacrifices. Still not a good reason to kill someone.
Just because there may be a good reason (life of mother in jeopardy) in some cases for abortion doesn't give a blanket right for someone to kill another person.
Murdering people is morally wrong.
>>752794315
I can't say I understand your question.. But I disapprove of fighting in general. Unless it's in self defence.
>>752794626
Ok
>>752794681
13. Communism-lite, but I agree. Especially after the weimar republic, the class divisions were too high. I liked this aspect of National socialism. It played off of the greed of capitalism, while still making the greed help the community, eventually resulting in everyone's quality of life going up. Remember, it was still able to get rich in NatSoc Germany.
14. Same point as in 13.
16. >We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation
How can anyone disagree with this?
>the immediate communalization of large stores
I admit that I disagree with this. Taking parts of profits made by business is okay, but not communalizing businesses to this degree.
17. I disagree with
>We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose.
as well, but I do agree with the abolition of ground rents and the prohibition of speculation.
18. Agree 100%. This was formed to counter the tactics that were mostly used by jewish people to try and enslave different peoples via usury (like the financial institutions of the USA today)
>>752794991
>Of course, I'm not even sure the original "do you kill a house full of plague-bearers" hypothetical was about
Yep. You missed it. Wasn't about nazi's.
>>752795335
Maybe you are confused. Please provide a coherent argument.
>>752795377
>You're not wrong about your logical positions, just really stupid
What? Can you explain your conclusion in a coherent way?
>>752795705
>Still not a blank slate. Would depend on issue
I agree but not having an abortion as an option is just as bad, clearly. Half the situations i proposed you agree with. Why shouldnt the option be on the table?
Just because murder is wrong doesn't justify a blanket statement that abortion is wrong in all cases
>>752795490
>tell that to the highschool or college girl that gets pregnant.
Please see >>752795584
>>752786439
why haven't you killed yourself yet?
I was a Nazi for a long time, then i became a communist. then i talked to other communists, i became a Nazi again.
>>752796178
>guise people should keep baby went they can not provide a stable and healthy life for it. That always helps the child in the end
>>752796233
Why would I do that?
>>752796284
Oh yeah? What aspects of national socialism appealed to you?
>>752796108
>I agree but not having an abortion as an option is just as bad, clearly. Half the situations i proposed you agree with. Why shouldnt the option be on the table?
My position is that you shouldn't be able to abort a baby because you feel like it. Medical abortion prescribed by a physician I think are reasonable.
>justify a blanket statement that abortion is wrong in all cases
Clearly it has its place in medicine.
Margret Sanger and her ilk have distorted its proper position in medicine for their own immoral views such as racism and the new found 3rd wave feminism movement.
>>752796445
>guise people should keep baby went they can not provide a stable and healthy life for it
Seems like it's not the babies problem. Adoption is available. There are plenty of options.
If we followed your view, we should probably kill everyone that's not middle class. Fuck it. They can't make it.
>>752786439
do you think the swj's have a similar ideology to you, only with which the races should be on top flipped?
>>752795807
>13. Communism-lite, but I agree. Especially after the weimar republic, the class divisions were too high. I liked this aspect of National socialism. It played off of the greed of capitalism, while still making the greed help the community, eventually resulting in everyone's quality of life going up. Remember, it was still able to get rich in NatSoc Germany.
>14. Same point as in 13.
>16. >We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation
>How can anyone disagree with this?
>>the immediate communalization of large stores
>I admit that I disagree with this. Taking parts of profits made by business is okay, but not communalizing businesses to this degree.
>17. I disagree with
>>We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose.
>as well, but I do agree with the abolition of ground rents and the prohibition of speculation.
>18. Agree 100%. This was formed to counter the tactics that were mostly used by jewish people to try and enslave different peoples via usury (like the financial institutions of the USA today)
Seems like you wouldn't make it as a Nazi. Maybe start your own party.
>>752797704
costs (being pregnant, giving birth and raising children are not cheap and affordable to everyone) and health (mother and or child) are the problems
So why should it not be option?
>>752797424
>because you feel like it
Anon thinks women abort babies "because they feel like it" kek you are one naive mofo anon. If you honstly believe anyone or any women would just get an abortion on whim then you are extremely naive to nature women
>>752797830
No. Not at all
>>752797847
"You don't agree with every single point in the NSDAP party programme so you can't be a nazi heh check mate"
What parties do you agree 100% with?
>>752795807
What do you think of this one?
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
>>752798043
>So why should it not be option?
Why is murder not wrong?
>>752798334
Curving freedom of speech to annihilate degeneracy and lies is a small price to pay. It can also be used as a great morale boost for the German people by making situations seem better than what they actually are.
Ethical? no.
Practical? yes
>>752798232
>you are extremely naive
Really? I think you missed the point.
>>752798310
>What parties do you agree 100% with?
None. I don't subscribe to parties. I have that option in a free society.
Pretty sure if you dissented from the platform you would have been subject to point 18.
>>752798537
>Ethical? no.
Interesting. Would you consider this cognitive dissonance?
>>752798446
abortion is not murder.
>>752798693
>guise when a mpther gets an abortion because the baby is not healthy, being pregnant or giving birth risks the health of the mother, she was a rape victim becomes pregnant, when a pregnant mother/couple decides they can not support a child for 18+ years
they are really doing it because they FEEL like it
>>752798446
if murder is wrong then why are gun legal?
>>752786439
go back to re ddit bitch
4chan is more sensible than this shit
>>752799613
>abortion is not murder.
Maybe you and I have a different understanding of murder.
Murder is the willful taking of another person's life.
Or maybe you and I have a different definition of a person.
A person is created with the fusion of sperm and egg. At this point, the new cell has all the building blocks required for life.
I can think of no good reason to murder someone except at the prescription of a trained medical doctor.
>>752799712
>if murder is wrong then why are gun legal?
Really? I won't even bother with you.
>>752786439
Why did you become a socialist?
>>752798446
Why not? People should be in charge of their life and any life that is developing inside of their bodies.
>>752800493
> M.D.s can write prescriptions for MURDER!
kek
>>752800595
arent guns meant to kill (animals or human)? Why are they legal? Or are there some situations where owning a gun is not used for murder or killing or is hlepful to society....kinda like abortion
>>752800694
>> M.D.s can write prescriptions for MURDER!
I think you don't understand. If a fetus will kill the mother, then it can be aborted. If the mother's life will be saved by a treatment that kills the fetus, the mother should be saved.
It's really quite simple logic. Can you follow?
>>752800493
we do have a different opinion of person. A gathering of cells is not a person.
and you agree with half the reasons i proposed for why abortion is a reasonable option. hence abortions shouldnt be illegal.
Today, right now, you are a gathering of cells.
>>752800651
So it's not murder if one life is dependent on another?
I can support that, in that case we need to extend legal abortion to 225 months, longer if they go to college.
>>752800946
You're right, and the "abortion" "regulations" that exist right now let you shoot 2/3 people just for being in your way. Just because you don't want the inconvenience of dealing with them.
>>752800946
I think you are confused.
A gun is a material object. An abortion is not.
>>752786439
nothing to ask, just dropping by to tell you you aren't alone out there
>>752801125
> scribbles out a prescription for MURDER
kek
>>752800651
>people should be in charge of their life
Yes, that's exactly why you can't extinguish a human life that didn't choose its mother.
>and any life that is developing inside of their bodies
Hahahahahaha, how ethically consistent.
>>752801311
I want to see an abortion that has been weaponized for murder
>>752801411
You're advocating murder of a woman with a health defect but whatever troll
>>752801462
Every single time the child pregnancy posed no risk to the mother, and they got a VOLUNTARY(this word is so fucking important, don't ignore it) abortion.
>>752801151
>A gathering of cells is not a person.
Please define a person.
>hence abortions shouldnt be illegal.
Your conclusion does not follow logically. Nuclear isotopes are useful, so everyone should be able to buy them.
>>752801311
An abortion is a medical procedure, it is not alive, like a gun. When the gun or abortion is used for its design/intended use it takes a life.
>>752801515
If a doctor came up to you and said the only way ge could save another adults life, was by connecting his body to yours so that your heart could keep this person alive, and youre the only person that it wojld work for, would you do it?
And if you decide not to, is it murder?
>>752787604
firstly not all nations committed genocide. Secondly. all those that did are morally appalling, but you do not seem to face up to that.
Churchill and Stalin killed millions, therefore Hitler is ok? how about all three are monsters and needed a good kicking?
>>752801411
Troll.
>>752801511
I'm not advocating anything, I just think the idea of doctors writing prescriptions for murder is funny. I don't actually give a shit what you're saying, just how you're phrasing it.
>>752801727
> idiot who doesn't understand words mean things, and gets whiny when someone make fun of them
>>752801780
A fetus is not a person, retard. Its only murder to you people who put whatever definition to words you want
>>752801713
Different anon, but that's not a good analogy. A better analogy would be once you've agreed to become connected and sustain another person's life, do you have the right to rip out the connection whenever you feel like it, and watch them squirm and die?
>>752801558
I think you forgot that a gun can be used for things that aren't illegal or immoral.
Self defence
Preservation of the 2nd Amendment
etc
>>752801952
Fine, sure go with that definition.should you have the right to change your mind to dissconnect yourself from another person if you choose? And then is it murder?
Again, a fetus us not a person, but even if if was, and it was voluntary like you say which it of ckurse not always us, see rape, then I believe its still understandable and not murder
>>752801539
When the embryo development is far enough to determine when it has all the human features. Basically Id say abortions shouldnt be allowed for late stage pregnancy unless certain extreme situations (health of mother or child is compromised)
>>752801780
>understand words mean things
A person who has no arguments is a TROLL.
>>752801890
Retard, I was making fun of someone who quite literally said doctors should be writing prescriptions for MURDER. That's the exact word they used, which is why it was so funny.
>>752801985
>Preservation of the 2nd Amendment
I don't even have a problem with citizens owning guns, but justifying private ownership of guns by saying it can be used to preserve private ownership of guns is circular logic. That's not an argument.
>>752801890
>A fetus is not a person
Please provide a definition for "person" and explain why a fetus is not a person.
>>752801713
Even the catholic church agrees abortions are fine if the pregnancy poses a risk to the mother, you're arguing against a strawman.
>>752802111
I think abortions should be legal up to the point of consciousness, that is, about 2-3 years after birth
>>752802231
He's obviously refering to defending their rights from the government from forcibly removing guns. Nit that it would or could ever happen.
>>752786439
so you are an Strasserist?
K
>>752799126
Nope. When describing if something is ethical or not, I usually talk from a "democratic" perspective.
Freedom of speech is one of the corner stones of our society today, so to better communicate with people who have grown up in this current system I force myself to sometimes see things from their perspective and talk from there so that we can relate on some aspects (if that makes sense)
>>752799737
>implying
>>752800648
Probably because I live in a place where socialism (the economic aspect) has done more good than harm. My home country is also very homogenous, which could be the reason why socialism works so well here.
>>752801384
Kamerad
>>752801716
Reread what I stated. I brought this point up to show that all parties of the war were evil (to some degree or another), and I feel like I've chosen the lesser of multiple evils
>>752802409
No lol, why would you presume that?
>>752802231
>used to preserve private ownership of guns is circular logic
You are right. Nix that argument and replace with:
Preservation of the Constitution
>>752802326
Look at a dictionary you twat
>>752802231
>we need the guns to keep you from taking the guns we have
Circular logic isn't inherently fallacious, buddy.
You need to eat and survive so that you can continue to eat and survive so that you can continue to eat and survive...
>>752802098
Yes, it should be. Because if you agree to sustain a life, you're making a commitment. There might be conditions where you can end it, like a risk to your own life, but you don't have the carte blanche right to pull the plug whenever.
To bring that back to abortion, I don't think a few cells is a baby, but at some point they do become a baby. And by then, the mother has known she's pregnant for a while, so she's at least implicitly made the commitment to keep the baby.
>>752802394
>I think abortions should be legal up to the point of consciousness, that is, about 2-3 years after birth
Really. So we should kill those who are in a coma too?
>>752802326
What separates a "person in a coma" from a "vegetable"? The ability to form conscious thoughts. Really I don't think someone becomes a "person" for quite a while after they're born but it's better to err far on the safe side when we're dealing with life and death, you know? The line is somewhere between conception and young adult.
>>752802326
An individual.
A fetus is not an individual, their mom parasites until they can breath and have brains
>>752801414
>you can't extinguish a human life that didn't choose its mother
So what? I don't see any trouble with that. It wouldn't change the situation even if fetus had the ability to decide. As long as it's part of human's body its life shouldn't take precedence over its host. This abortion dispute is fucking ridiculous, it's a good example of Government trying to encroach on human's right and liberties. Human should be in charge of his body, not Government or anybody else. It's funny how they try to put restriction on everything we do from what substances should or shouldn't we take in up to euthanasia right. They deems us as some sort of breeding machines cranking out tax payers and fresh cannon meat for their wars.
>>752802476
Circular logic isn't fallacious, see
>>752802518
>breathe in, breathe out so that you can
>breathe in, breathe out so that you can
>breathe in, breathe out so that you can
>>752802605
Yes, a human should be in charge of his body. Not the government, and not the mother that he's currently inside of.
>>752802553
if they are in a vegetative state with no chance of recovery and no brain activity, yes. In those cases it's hard to argue that the "person" is still "there." Their identity is gone, but their body is still kicking.
>>752802605
Everything you just said is insane.
>>752802528
I can pull the plug of my grandfather whenever I want. And I'm sure you'll never back out of a dozen cimmitments before next year faggot
>>752802470
The main distinction between Strasserism and Hitlerism is that Strasserism rests upon an actual economic ideology, whereas Hitlerism was basically capricious authoritarianism.
National Socialism according to Hitler was the Führerprinzip: Whatever the Führer deemed to be good for the nation was put into practice.
National Socialism according to Strasser was a perfected version of socialism: National in its scope (as opposed to Marxian Internationalism), and conforming to natural aspects of human nature.
>>752802665
The logic actually holds, too...
>I'm the government, you're in my body, therefore I have the authority to cut off the umbilical chord that keeps you alive
It's the fed's body, dude. You're just living in it.
>>752802501
My dictionary says life begins at a single cell when the cell can divide. What does yours say?
>>752802756
I agree with authoritarianism though, and I agree more with the social aspects of National socialism than with the economic ones.
Preservation of white live is my main cause
>>752802815
>Life: noun: the woman's right to choose is inherently superior to the fetus' right to live
Leftist English Dictionary, google it fool
>>752802712
>people should have a right to what happens to their body
Thats insane? You fags are hilarious
>>752802111
Ontogeny doesn't really recapitulate phylogeny, anon. That's not really a useful definition.
The border between a clump of cells and a baby is inherently subjective, but it's probably more useful to start with something pragmatic perspective -- at what point is a fetus viable outside the mother's body? With modern healthcare, babies in the 20-some week range are perfectly viable, with a few exceptions dropping into the teens. Draw a line at some arbitrary point before that (because we're weighing the mother's convenience against the baby's life, so we should round in the baby's favor because the consequences for the baby are more severe).
>>752802815
I said person. Are you actually retarted?
>>752802881
So, you wake up tomorrow and a mad scientist has grafted a child to the inside of your rectum. Neither of you chose this.
Which one deserves to die?
Retard.
>>752802518
>>752802615
it doesn't have to be directly false to be a bad argument. In fact the only reason why it appears logical is because it's unfalsifiable. Circular arguments are self-justifying, so you can make up whatever the fuck you want regardless of outside evidence.
>>752802719
> no argument, so talks about murdering his grandfather instead
kek, I love /b/
>>752802602
>A fetus is not an individual, their mom parasites until they can breath and have brains
Is a 6 month old an individual? They can't live without someone taking care of them. Is it ok to murder them too?
>>752802965
>hurrhurr but this isn't the same because you actually know you can get pregnant but still take the chance.
>>752803017
>it only appears logical due to being circular
Uh, no... You just disagree with the logic that we need guns so the government can't take our guns.
>>752802594
>The line is somewhere between conception and young adult.
So when again is it ok to murder people? What point in their development?
>>752802815
>trusting a dictionary for answers to a deep moral question with heavy objective implications from biology.
>>752786439
What do capitalist boots taste like?
>>752802965
> babies are the result of mad scientists grafting children into women's rectums
kek
>>752803082
>>752803017
To which I pose a question: how DO you keep someone from taking your guns by force?
Is it... with... the guns? I think empirical reality would say so.
>>752803156
>you have a right to do anything you want with anything in your body
>another situation in which you have another living being in your body
>haha u retard thats a shitty comparison ahrhahwhrah
>>752803148
>union
I have a right to work, go fuck yourself.
>>752802965
The child, I'm not going to kill myself to save some random baby. You seriously would in this situation?
>>752803148
>capitalist boots
Have you even read the 25 points of the NSDAP?
>>752803229
It is a shitting comparison. You're comparing getting pregnant with a mad scientist experimenting on humans against their consent.
>>752802712
no you
>>752802553
>>752802676
ah wait let me rephrase this, though. We shouldn't, or rather can't, "kill" them, because "they" are already dead. If there's nobody home upstairs the body is not going to keep living without a massive effort on the part of doctors and nurses and medical machinery that could be used to help bodies who still have a conscious person associated with them.
>>752803311
> shitty
>>752786439
>this thread is Jewish
Um. The Political Party Doesn't exist. This is the kind of cringe we're going to see in another 60 years; except it'll be Clinton Democrats.
>>752803047
If there's no one to take care of them, that's what is going to happen regardless of my opinion.
>>752802965
Of course child's life has lesser value than the adult's one, because huge amount of energy and money was put into raising and education of an adult. Add to it the fact that until you're 19 years old you don't have the full capacity of human being because the brain of a child isn't developed fully yet.
>>752802676
>with no chance of recovery
I think you nailed it right there.
A normal unborn child has all the potential to walk around as a grown person.
>>752802867
>Preservation of white live is my main cause
You care more about the preservation of a specific, arbitrary germ line despite the fact that you have a brain and a mind capable of so much more than mere genetic survival. Congrats on being a tool to the oldest game on earth. Good ideas (memes) are worth preserving more than good genes.
>>752803308
The real purpose of fascism is to allow capitalist power to survive through self-created economic crisis. Despite your silly fantasies, look at how well established industrial firms did in Hitler's Reich. Despite the rhetoric, look at how what ACTUALLY happened was total synthesis of a militarized state and capitalist power.
>>752803311
>hypotheticals are retarded because i literally think 1 dimensionally
>>752803304
No, I'd probably wait for the doctors to remove it, and if that was detrimental to me somehow, that would be tough shit because that child deserves to live.
>>752803467
>you're not responsible until 19
Why do you think that? You know your brain is still changing radically until about 26, right?
>>752803467
That argument leads to eugenics and government panel deciding whether people live or die based on IQ tests or wealth.
>>752803585
You didn't say you could wait for the doctor faggots. I nust realized how idealistic you have are, nothing deserves to die at a young age no shit, thats hardly the point in the real world. Clearly you've never experienced a decision or anything like this except hypothetically.
>>752803467
But, anon... The adult has already grown into who they are, which is probably a minimum wage worker shitposting on 4chan about abortion, and the child could grow up to be anyone. Even hitler, or elon musk, or whatever.
>>752803485
>implying that wanting to preserve my people, culture and country is a negative trait
>>752803493
Don't misunderstand, I love capitalism. The thing is though, it has to be regulated. The United States for example, is a horrific example of rampant capitalism. But if you look at countries such as Norway, Denmark, or Sweden, this is how capitalism should be practised.
NatSoc Germany managed it's economy in a simular fashion.
>>752803585
> >hypotheticals are retarded because i literally think 1 dimensionally
You don't know what literal means, do you? Or 1 dimensional? And your hypothetical was just stupid, because you were trying a make a point about pregnancy, but the situation you brought up was completely different and didn't illustrate anything except your inability to think clearly.
>>752802879
>the woman's right to choose is inherently superior to the fetus' right to live
And that's where we differ. You don't give equal value to individual human lives. I'm pretty sure you could rationalize the killing of anyone. Hitler did it. Stalin did it. And so can you.
OP What do you think of racemixing with Japanese women?
>>752803172
you could do it with anything that allows you to overpower the person trying to take you shit by force, be it rocks or nukes. Guns is perhaps the most practical answer but it's an arbitrary and pointless question.
>>752803139
At the point when it isn't "murder" because it's not a "person." You don't really think that plan B pills are "murder" right?
>>752803731
I said you woke up with a baby in your butt, not a bomb.
>nothing should die at a young age
Nothing deserves to die arbitrarily for the betterment of another being(I kill animals, I'm not interested in whether this is logically consistent with this)
>that's hardly the point in the real world
It's the only point.
>clearly youve never experienced a decision
I would not choose to kill someone standing in my way to make my life better, you little fucking faggot.
>>752803760
>pregnancy
>one large life form, with a small life form inside
>butt doctor's victim
>one large life form, with a small life form inside
>>752803811
>you could use shittier methods, therefore the logic was circular
?
The point of the guns is defending the guns. I don't give a shit if your thought processes are so euclidean you can't handle anything but a straight line
>>752803388
That's true. So what are you saying? Have you given up on your argument?
>>752803855
And if I did, it wouldn't be babies in my womb. It would be people like you, in my face.
>>752803747
>Don't misunderstand, I love capitalism. The thing is though, it has to be regulated.
Translation: the people are getting too unruly. The capitalists are having to go to more and more extreme lengths to extract profit from an economy where everyone's already being squeezed to death. It's time to ally with a group of brainwashed pawns who feel like they're not getting what they deserve and use them as footsoldiers to establish a fascist government that will make their control law and help them beat the profits out of the people.
The "brainwashed pawn who betrays the people to the rich" part was about you, bootlicking class traitor. Liberal democracy is capitalists controlling society with the carrot. Fascism is capitalists controlling society with the stick.
>>752803855
Clearly as a dude with no womb you'll never make that decision for yourself, maybe for a poor woman who trusts you too much. Well good luck in life retard
>>752804068
Clearly as a dude who isn't a psychopath, you'll never have to make the decision of whether or not to take a life to advance your own, maybe for a poor mental incompetent who should be in jail. Well good luck in life retard
>>752803747
it's not positive or negative; it's arbitrary. and I think you'll get a lot more done if you focus on something more... progressive? (Progressive as in progress not """Progressive""" politics.) Standing around wanking over yourself and what your nation and relatives have already accomplished doesn't get you anywhere in and of itself.
>>752803902
Greentext isn't for making a new argument.
And you're missing the key points of the comparison, which has to do with agency. A mad scientist performing human experiments is a malicious act from outside, getting pregnant is the result of life choices (ignoring exceptions, like rape, which are generally treated differently, anyway).
>>752804002
No, I'm saying an unwanted or a child that has no one should never be born in the first place.
I dont velieve abortion is murder, but if I did I think it would still be better than having no one taking care of you.
I'm also a big believer in adoptions and would adopt more if it wasn't crazy expensive.
>>752803322
>ah wait let me rephrase this, though. We shouldn't, or rather can't, "kill" them, because "they" are already dead.
Please see this post >>752803482
>>752804181
You're right, you have MORE OF A REASON to terminate the "pregnancy" if a mad scientist did it to you than if you're a fucking moron who didn't use a condom because it feels so good when the tip of his dick presses against your cervix and sprays babysauce in you
>>752804181
>making a new argument
>rephrasing the old argument because you're so dense you can't handle it
>all comparisons must be 1:1
I'm not even the dude you're talking to, you just triggered the fuck out of me. He had to make a comparison to some dumbfuck who thinks of pregnancy in some sort of logical bubble in order to bring that dumbfuck out of his logical bubble.
Yes, elements are different. That's the whole point of a hypothetical situation during a debate, you maximum oversperg
>>752803798
Race mixing shouldn't be tolerated, no matter what the races are.
>>752804057
On a scale from 1 to 1917, how brainwashed are you? It doesn't seem like you have an original thought in your head, and I honestly feel like I'm reading the words of Marx.
Come back to me when you can form your own opinions
>>752804164
Of course, and I know this. Preservation is important though, as well as it's important to take inspiration from our ancestors to create bigger and better things.
>>752803811
>At the point when it isn't "murder" because it's not a "person." You don't really think that plan B pills are "murder" right?
I don't know. It's possible they are not. I don't know how they work.
>>752804239
There's are generally more prospective parents than unwanted babies. Making all abortion legal would change that dynamic, but having reasonable limits on abortion would not.
>>752804461
>>752804181
Not only am I not that anon, I'm also fundamentally against his standpoint. I am pro-abortion. You're a fucking retard.
>>752804530
>>752804461
thanks, I guess.
>>752804498
>Race mixing shouldn't be tolerated, no matter what the races are.
Why not?
>>752804516
Youre right theres more perspective parents than adoptable babaies, they still never get adopted, its a completely different problem, but half of unwanted kids grow up moving from home to home, and shelters, eventually end up behind bars for life. I'm not discussing color
>>752804685
Don't feed the racists
>>752804239
>No, I'm saying an unwanted or a child that has no one should never be born in the first place.
Murder isn't the answer. Murder never is.
>I dont velieve abortion is murder,
Can you think of anyone else we should kill?
>I'm also a big believer in adoptions
Good for you. Maybe others should have that option.
>>752786439
>I'm a national socialist
My deepest condolences.
>>752804498
>On a scale from 1 to 1917, how brainwashed are you?
Poor deflection, Goebbels would be ashamed of you. The people know exactly who you are now, fork-tongued Nazi murderer. You won't be getting your blood money from selling us out to the rich.
>>752804514
They prevent fertilized egg cells from attaching to the uterine wall. If life "begins at conception," this is tantamount to murder, because the conceptualized single-cellular "person" is flushed out with that month's period blood and dies in a sewer.
The same thing happens naturally sometimes; fertile women don't ALWAYS get pregnant when they have unprotected sex.
>>752804461
You're really this stupid? You think a mad scientist implanting babies is asses is a valid thought experiment about pregnancy? It's not, anon. And it's sad you don't know how to use greentext, either.
>>752804697
Yes, it's a different problem. But no, you're definitely talking about race.
>>752804895
>not understanding the purpose of thought experiments.
If you think the proposed situation is absurd, good job, you figured it out. If you had a brain enough to connect the dots you would understand the nature of his argument is to suppose that the real situation is also absurd in an analogous fashion.
>>752786439
good lucky
>>752803140
>>trusting a dictionary
Seriously? You do realize that I was being facetious with the anon I was replying to because he couldn't make a coherent argument.
Hail Victory!
>>752805130
You're really incapable of basic logic, aren't you? You can't put forth a position, all you can do is show your own stupidity by saying hur dur stupid.
>>752804685
Because biological diversity is what makes the world so special and exciting to live in. I've travelled all over the world, and it breaks my heart to think that one day all of these people, religions and cultures will be gone. People should work on improving their own race, not breeding with different people. Eventually we'll all become some mixed mutt race with the same language, same genetic traits, same culture etc.
Many people see this as the start of true humanity, but I see it as something entirely different. The day all of us are genetically simular, is the day that humanity dies.
Also, don't you want your kids and grandkids to look the same as you do? Most sane people do.
A lot of people support the idea of racemixing, until the day they are put into that situation themselves with their daughters and sons.
>>752804779
low quality bait from the communist tank-poster
>>752804883
>They prevent fertilized egg cells from attaching to the uterine wall. If life "begins at conception," this is tantamount to murder, because the conceptualized single-cellular "person" is flushed out with that month's period blood and dies in a sewer.
Interesting. I would have to think about this. Thanks for the info.
>>752804830
Could you explain why?
>>752804851
Read the thread, and educate yourself.
The greatest story never told is a great documentary, you should watch it.
>>752805148
You too, hail victory
>>752805445
Kamerad
>>752805552
I agree with biological diversity, but not with your racism. It's not like the world's going to suddenly become homogeneous. We'll still form in and out groups, and breed mostly within them. Tough the future races might be libtard and conservacuck.
