Why are Americans so infatuated with guns?
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Why are Americans so infatuated with guns?
>>752723779
Because of personal responsibility.
>>752723779
Why are people so infatuated with banning them?
>>752723779
Why are people so infatuated with Cmericans and guns?
>>752723779
Why are guns so infatuated with america?
>>752723779
Because we don't let Daddy government take them away unlike other cucked populations.
>>752724551
Why are guns so infatuated with you?
>>752723779
Because they're full of fear and ignorance.
Why are infatuated so America with guns?
>>752724822
Gave me a good kek
>>752723779
Why are you so infatuated with Americans?
Easier to murder-suicide with.
>>752723779
I get it.
I'm English and I do enjoy shooting.
I've shot a 12 bore shotgun LOADS.
It's fun but I get why they're a problem.
>>752725206
You’re British and you own a gun?
>>752724354
>>752724004
>>752724471
Why does everyone who doesn't live here give a cuck?
>>752723779
Because they live in a crime-infested shit hole and don't understand the risk of killing a family member by accident is much higher than the chance of saving the day like muh hero john wayne
>>752723779
We're not, any more than you are with hammers or shovels.
Just another tool.
If anything, everyone else seems to be infatuated with us and ours.
It's the only onahole that will fit their tiny penises.
>>752723779
Because if the government has guns and its people don't and aren't allowed, then how are you truly free. If the government can have it why can't I living in a free United States. I want to be able to protect myself from invaders both foreign and domestic, including my own government
>>752726798
Literally /thread
This is the reason we have the right.
>>752726798
>muh guns makes me free
>>752726798
this is the most "retarded american" thing I have ever read
>>752727189
The power of life and death makes you free.
>>752723779
Because they're like throwing rocks, but better.
Let us begin. As youth we are given them to entertain us. We see on tv. We see them in movies. We see them in ads. In high school and junior high we are taught they are a right of passage. In college we are able to purchase them. In marriage we are not. We get older and now can afford them. We get old and need them because the Democrats have allowed our borders to be over run by Mexico and muzzled. You ask why Americans love guns ? If you have to ask your not a fucking American.
>>752723779
somebody needs to give us a laugh by leaving them in reach of their kids
>>752727910
Ok. I am OP, and I approve of your response.
That answers my question
>>752725356
you fucking hillbillies really think no one else on Earth is allowed to have guns?
Because we used them to kill a bunch of smarmy European fucks that asked that question once to create a country.
>>752726798
mfw you get droned at 3am
>>752723779
Why are non americans so infatuated with americans being infatuated with guns?
>>752727910
those Mexicans are here because your republican farmers and factory owners want them here
>>752723779
because of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thVhVjn59mg
>>752723779
I'm not even American but guns are fucking sweet and you're a faggot if you don't think so.
>>752728431
Those are not Republicans who want them in any sense. Those are Progressives in sheep's clothing. Don't ever fool yourself in thinking we do not know who they are. Look at Az Senator Jeff Flake. We outed him like we will the others. The left is correct there is a coup. The right is cleaning house. So you As whole can take your Soros and Schneider talking points and go stand with Anifta on the corner with those fucking Mexicans you love so well.
>>752727481
>be random asian
>country has "cultural revolution"
>military gets to decide everything
>be random european
>neighbor country decides they want my stuff
>they also don't like me
>be random african
>ooga-booga tribe doesn't like my click-click tribe brand of witchcraft
>ooga-boogas get guns first
>be random hispanic
>unstable illegal organizations everywhere
>they have all control because guns
>be random american
>accept asian, european, african, and hispanic refugees 24/7
>basically unconditionally
>refugees' countries, countries without proper asylum support, and competition say america has gun problem
k
>>752728323
>time to enact gun control
>drone strike all gun owner's house
>literally entire world shits down america's neck if they don't impeach and execute POTUS or fall-guy and it's over
>>752723779
why is the rest of the world so full of stupid cunts?
>>752730258
forgot img
>>752723779
Why does your country suck dick for porridge?
>>752723779
obviously guns are awesome but they have no placed in a civilised society
>>752731455
People stay civilized because their neighbors keep big guns in their house
>>752723779
Why do countries spend so much money on military? For the same reason, defence, security and most importantly as a deterrent. What house is more likely to get broken into, the one that is known to have guns or the one that is know to house anti gun libtards? Seriously thought, it's not rocket science. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
>>752731541
that is hilariously inaccurate
you'll understand when you're older
m&p 2.o the fucking best fuck glock fags
>>752731541
>>752731587
basically its a matter of fear
>>752723779
So I can kill off fuckheads that piss me off...
>>752731672
>implying fear is bad
>>752723779
We want to have the ability to relax and to kill someone. Something that was never possible before guns. Before you always had to pick one or the other.
>>752723779
So they don't die
>>752731616
this guy gets it
>>752723779
Why guns so are with infatuated Americans?
>>752731587
Did you mean to sound like you have a learning disorder?
because guns are cool
>>752728139
Care to describe the regulations other countries such as England make their citizens go through to own guns?
>>752723779
Why are you so interested in being helpless? Why don't you care about Women, Handicapped and Elderly who aren't strong enough to defend themselves against attackers? Equality means that everyone deserves the right to self-defense. I'm a fucking leaf and even I know this.
>>752723779
https://youtu.be/hStj85CJewQ
>>752731747
>be me, 25
>never own a gun
>never have house invasion
>never attacked on street
>never needed a gun
>never needed to see a gun
>live in society not dictated by fear of other people
>see america
>shootouts between
>civvies and civvies
>civvies and cops
>civvies and gangs
>cops and gangs
>people stay civilised because their neighbours keep big guns in their house
>need threat of guns to remain civilised
>onlyinamerica.jpg
top kek tbh
guns are badass but every single justification for them is absolutely ridiculous, its almost as if the american population is fucking retarded or something.
>>752731899
>uses insults when unable to form an intelligent rebuttal
Typical libtard.
>>752732128
What is the population of blacks in your country?
>>752723779
why do people who dont own guns assume theres something wrong when somebody likes them? far more people own a gun and do nothing wrong than people owning guns and doing wrong
>>752732128
>be me
>sure of everything
>apply for job
>manager hires someone more realistic
>>752725206
Blood hell mate, they are going to come for you!
> Owns a gun
> Visits 4chan (which is considered RIGHT WING EXTREME EVIL EYE POISON
by the new laws, outlawing "extreme" internet content, like say, any youtuber who isn't pro immigration, or any website with say, information on it.
Some places you have bears and shit and then you need to defend yourself against people who can also claim their right to bear arms but are out to rob you.
>>752725794
Thats why 9mm FMJ is superior anti rape/murder choice, it just sticks in the target not goes through them like .45 ACP
Because America is overrun with niggers and beaners. Wanna take them off our hands?
>>752731960
If it's Brazil, you pay like 20 bucks and get yourself a gun pretty easily.
>>752732156
>jumps right to assuming someone is arguing him, that his point was worth arguing, and that the other person s a shill or liberal as opposed to
>no you actually talk retarded, regardless of your opinion
>>752732156
K E K
>>752732191
>>752732255
legitimately lol
>>752732191
the point is guns, not niggers
>>752732255
>be you
>be absolutely retarded and construct hypotheticals to bolster your narrative
>>752732388
the unfortunate truth, how do you defend yourself from a bear? with a weapon. fair enough, but a bear is not a human living in a "civilised society".
>>752732128
>I live in a peaceful country where civilians do not need guns therefor no civilian in any country needs guns.
Also this:
>>752732191
>>752732441
Bring back the moonman
>>752723779
Because they consider guns to be extension of their penises. Even bullets are kinda shaped like dicks.
>>752732447
>Brazil was still reported to be in the top five countries in the world for kidnappings, with 1,000 across the country in 2012.
I'd pay my $20 for sure.
>>752732575
>the point is guns, not niggers
No, the point is without the second, there wouldn't be nearly as much gun crime.
I don't have a problem with there being guns. There needs to be far better checks in place though.
The main issues isn't with guns but with American society. Instead of analysing how much gun crime there is, try to find out why kids go into schools and kill their classmates. Find out why America is in such a shithole that their own people are against each other.
>>752732128
sorry, america is overrun with mexicans and niggers.
>>752731653
>>752732575
>be you
>sure of everything
>do anything but bolster your ego online for strangers
>fail
Because I dont rely on other people to protect me or my family. Why the fuck would I call the police if someone is threatening me, what are they gonna do? Show up after everything happened. Its my life, and I have the right to defend myself from anybody including my government.
>>752732924
Damn straight.
>>752732128
Because America is the only country with violent crime? Get your head out of your ass.
>>752732624
They don't really appeal to gays
>>752732924
>Why the fuck would I call the police if someone is threatening me,
When seconds matter, the police are just minutes away.
Also, they've surveyed police before and the response was overwhelming. In cases of public violence, they wish more people were legally carrying and thus able to stop the crime sooner.
>>752728004
Implying that responsible gun owners dont teach their children about basic gun safety.
kys
>>752732642
personally i would rather just not live in brasil and live in a civilised society
>>752732591
>>752732738
>>752732854
>>752732812
this is the answer to your queston, your society is absolutely fucked. guns do not kill, humans with guns do.
>>752732924
>try to defend self from government
>get drone striked
>atleastihadmyrifle.png
>>752732864
OK anon have fun with that, i wish i could go outside and fire a few rounds for fun, but i can trade not having that ability for the ability to know i am not going to get shot in the streets.
While there are places in every country with dangerous wildlife, and places wrought with crime; at the end of the day day a gun is a tool. It is just like the hammer and pliers that could be used to maim or make a bomb from grocery store products. Look up just how hard it is to make a gun at normal hardware store... limitation only impacts law abiders.
>>752732924
And its not a right that my government has given me. IT IS A BIRTHRIGHT! No matter what country I am in. Also looks at all the countries that have had leaders turn against their people. Stalin took the guns. Hitler Took the guns. Mussolini took the guns. Mao took the guns. Pol pot took the guns.
GUN CONTROL IS A TYRANT'S TOOL
>>752733129
As long as there aren't any criminals. Those guys don't follow the rules.
Especially if everyone else is. It gives them a real advantage and they like that a lot
>>752733327
>IT IS A BIRTHRIGHT! No matter what country I am in. Also looks at all the countries that have had leaders turn against their people. Stalin took the guns. Hitler Took the guns. Mussolini took the guns. Mao took the guns. Pol pot took the guns.
>GUN CONTROL IS A TYRANT'S TOOL
This. It's pretty clear reading history that you should never surrender your arms, period.
>>752733129
>>try to defend self from government
>>get drone striked
More chance of being killed by the government if you don't have guns.
>i can trade not having that ability for the ability to know i am not going to get shot in the streets.
How are you going to get this? The ones causing the problems don't care about gun laws. If more people went through CCW classes and carried there would be less problems with criminals.
>>752733061
Yeah because if someone puts a gun to my head, ima be like 1 sec bro let me call the police real fast. Get the fuck out and actually think for yourself once in a while.
wow you guys just autopilot these threads huh?
>>752732128
>be me, 26
>never have house invasion
>never attacked on street
>live in society not dictated by fear of other people
>own many guns
>never had to even entertain the notion of having to use one in self defense
If you believe in the right to life, then you believe in having the right to self defense of that life, and those of your loved ones. With this right to self defense, it is reasonable for the citizenry to be afforded the same tools as the constabulary to defend society and uphold the peace.
I haven't seen a single reasonable plan that would rid American society of guns, nor justification.
>>752732128
Congratulations on living in a white neighborhood. When the niggers and muslims finally invade your space you'll be begging for a way to defend yourself.
>>752733416
Wearing a seat-belt in a car doesn't mean you'll live through all crashes, child. But, if I have a gun I have a chance. Ever watch some of the rekt videos on here of criminals getting shot because the store owner has a gun, or do you just spend your time getting off on the furries posts?
>>752733405
>>752733352
lalalalaliberal....I can't hear you!
>>752733327
Washington pro gun. Jefferson pro gun. Henry pro gun. Adams pro gun. Mason pro gun. Madison pro gun. Pitt pro gun. Webster pro gun. George Orwell pro gun. Dalai Lama pro gun. Gandhi pro gun. Henry Lee pro gun.
>>752723779
>Why are Americans so infatuated with guns?
Armed men are citizens. Unarmed men are subjects.
Fuck the government. A firearm is power and the government knows and fears that fact.
>>752728323
The nip knows.
>>752733576
I cant tell if you are arguing my point or agreeing with me. Because your post contradicts your insult to me.
>>752733685
Add to this how they try to ban "military grade weapons" now. Like muskets weren't what the military used back when the country was founded?
>>752726798
>including my own government
>doesn't fight now when it's the time
Kek. Give an actual reason.
If any president or military did a coup, they would BTFO people like you before you could notice it.
>>752733794
I read your point to be that in a crisis situation, there might not be enough time for a gun, so why have one?
Is that what you meant?
>>752732128
You're speaking as though such conflict carried out by registered, legal firearms. Those with the least amount of common sense know, hypothetically, that if they were to commit a crime with a gun, you don't do it with a legal gun registered in your name. I always hear the argument against guns because of the gun crimes, well, as stated previously, only a moron use their personal, legal. But I emphasize on gun CRIME, such as you mentioned civvies shooting civvies, gangs, etc.they are committing a crime, so how the fuck would outlawing guns stop the scum who have no problem committing a crime, most probably with an illegal firearm.
>>752726061
Except for the fact that despite the mass murder that happens constantly you still haven't tried to control them. If thousands of innocent people were killed with shovels then we'd start being more careful.
>>752733881
Thats just not true. I dont believe the U.S. government will ever be able to overthrow its people. Simply because too many people have weapons.
>>752733352
i live in a place where crime also happens but guns are very very rarely heard of and if they are it is a huge deal.
>>752733405
>more chance of being killed by the government if you dont have guns
lol wat? do you mean by cops or something? do you mean by their guns?
>how are you going to get this?
get what...? the ability to know i am not going to get shot in the streets? i know this because here people dont get shot in the streets.
>>752733416
>someone puts a gun to my head i dont have time to call the police
>meaning i need to have a gun
>not meaning that neither should have a gun
you guys are so fucking retarded lol
>>752733536
i live in a very multicultural area, i know niggers, muslims, pakis, asians - noone has guns and everyone is civilised.
its like these people are truly incapable of addressing the actual debate, but sidetrack the argument with various anecdotes and hypotheticals.
>>752733930
you guys are a waste of resources.
>>752733881
>BTFO
The military doesn't swear an allegiance to the POTUS. They swear it to the Constitution. The Constitution protects the citizenry, not the POTUS or government.
Well, except the 27th Amendment.
>>752733772
/thread
>>752726798
If you live in a democratic society where you have rights to political action, firearms are not required to make you free.
>>752723779
I actually own and carry a Shield. Anyone else own one of the M&P line pistols?
>>752733915
My point was im not going to rely on someone else to protect me. Because at the end of the day I am my own protection. Its my life and I am in charge of how I defend myself, too many people rely on the government, law enforcement, etc. people need to learn how to live life by themselves.
>>752723779
Because they're awesome.
Guns are pretty cool too.
>>752734039
>lol wat? do you mean by cops or something? do you mean by their guns?
Hard to fight people who have weapons. Easy to fight ones who don't.
>get what...? the ability to know i am not going to get shot in the streets? i know this because here people dont get shot in the streets.
Percentage of legal gun owners and "minorities" in your country? Also how many of them are on "assistance" as opposed to providing for themselves?
>>752734096
you think freedom is free? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>752734096
The were needed to secure the freedom and keep it.
>>752734039
>3352
>so in my small minded opinion since I don't think it's an issue then it isn't, won't ever be, and need not be considered or planned for.
Your kind of people running countries is why they suck.
>>752734177
I don't rely upon anyone either. That is why I own a gun. At the very least it makes me equal to the threat.
>>752734251
>you think freedom is free
>Can't drink alcohol or visit prostitutes
>freedom
kek
>>752734369
Lol so we agree
>>752734177
this is such a paranoid 'murican mindset. it's the same idiocy that lets rich republicans give themselves tax breaks whilst they distract you with immigration fear.
the rest of the world doesn't worry so much about their own protection because, yknow, they don't have such high murder rates because GUNS AREN'T LEGAL
>>752734380
>Can't drink alcohol or visit prostitutes
Who said we can't?
Ah ya cringey basyards
>>752734424
Seems so. Sorry I didn't get your post the first time.
>>752734481
You can't until you're 21 (top kek). And prostitution is illegal in most jurisdictions.
>>752723779
let me introduce you
to my little friend
>>752732812
Culture. Culture is the downfall of man. We have all these fuckwits ascribing to a dogmatic system of values and beliefs, and when varying cultures mix, we have to deal with all sorts of bullshit. Such as muslims enforcing their ancient system on European cities. Hell, even race divide is rooted in culture. Nobody inherently hates someone for their skin color, rather, they have become accustomed to a certain culture associated with various races, leading them to mistake race for culture. This shit recently has been pissing me off. Leftards are so set on this notion that racism is somehow worse than ever, and gain a sense self-righteousness, believing that others hate people inherently based on the color of their skin; yet, as far as I'm concerned, racists don't truly exist.
>>752733772
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>>752734480
Yeah beacuse no government has turned on their citizens. We live in such a trusting society.
>>752734480
Countries like Brasil, Mexico, middle east shit holes? Or countries where there isn't a whole lot of minorities?
Except that now they are getting more minorities and crime is increasing.
>>752734595
as long as someone is willing to take the time to artistically display scary words and pictographs your fight will never be over friend.
>>752734226
wew lad
>requesting literally irrelevant data
i am neither a pro nor anti gun advocate, i havent pursued the data relating to my countries interactions with gun crime; why would I when guns are massively irrelevant to my society lol
>>752734353
no my friend, you are the kind of person who allows a country to have such a high death toll, to engage with your types of debate - you are the sort of person who pours lemon juice on an open wound.
>>752734369
>>752734424
>being so retarded that you cant realise that you are agreeing with eachother
>>752734635
>more hypotheticals to justify reality
>>752734480
So your argument is saying everybody in your country is a FUCKING LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. Sorry not everybody in America follows the fucking law. If guns are illegal that is only hurting law abiding citizens, BECAUSE NEWS FLASH YOU FUCKING IDIOT CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW THE LAW, GO FUCKING FIGURE!
ITT impotent eurocucks who have only wooden spoons and purses to fight off shitskins
>>752733522
this is such bs - you can use a baseball bat to defend yourself if you're that worried.
i bet you studied philosophy, that's why your heads so far up your ass with an abstract discussion of rights. That's the real problem with amerikka - we're so dogmatic where the rest of the world is pragmatic.
>>752734559
>You can't until you're 21 (top kek). And prostitution is illegal
You can't BUY alcohol, drinking it while underage is commonplace (illegal yes, but not enforced at all in most places). It is not prostitution if it is filmed, industrious prostitutes carry a camera and tripod. Home made pron for cheap.
>>752734766
we just dont need to fight because we live in a civilised society lol
>>752734750
>criminals dont follow the law so we need guns
>>752734741
>why would I when guns are massively irrelevant to my society lol
Why would you comment at all then?
>>752734741
>you are = I am
clever
>>752723779
Who said anything about guns?
>>752734750
if guns are illegal they are harder to get - see Australia :)
>>752734480
I just dont understand why you are so concerned about American politics. Obviously your country is perfect so why are you even here?
>>752734837
>you can use a baseball bat to defend yourself if you're that worried.
Tell that to my 5'2" wife when a 6' tall guy comes at her.
Give her even the smallest gun and she won't be a victim, moron.
>>752734967
Yeah well marijuana is banned federally but I can buy that shit any fucking time of the day I want sooooooooooo.
All I gotta say about this shit is if the United States government wants to ban guns, or force me to hand over my guns. Okay come and get them.
>>752734039
Maybe give me a reasonable response and not a pathetic cop-out. I'm more than open to a sound argument as to how and why legal, registered guns, are being used in gun crimes, by the owner. Because I have never seen those numbers. You are cancer by the way, your response is truly sad.
>>752734663
Lie. I assume you mean European countries? Crime is decreasing in all of these. You've been spoonfed the Republican 'crime is increasing and we're tough on crime' bullshit.
>>752726798
Because drone warfare would kill all you fuckers if they wanted to.
Or they could just charge insane prices for basic health care. Seems to work
>>752734902
because its fun, just like the only real justification for guns that exists.
also because all of mankind deserves an education.
>>752734904
are you being intentionally retarded?
>>752735027
>here is another irrelevant example that shares one variable with my comparison element
>>752735007
>literally based in fear
>I know it's possible for random acts of violence to happen to others, but not to me. Therefore, nobody should be allowed arms.
>>752735080
Yeah, for sure there are less terror incidents in Germany and other European places.
SMH
>>752735027
well yes because it's a teensy bit easier to grow weed in your house than manufacture a gun
>>752724354
/thread
>>752723779
They have loads of niggers so need more defenses
Becasue Americans are essentually brainwashed into thinking that the only way to be free is to own a gun. From day one at school they have to pledge an allegiance to a flag, they are encouraged to have flags flying from their houses, they are constantly told that the USA is the only free nation on the planet, that its the greatest nation on the planet, that they are amazing.... and the gun is all part of that narrative.
Try taking a gun of a brainwashed guy and you may as well cut off his dick; its never going to happen. They genuinely believe that by having guns they are somehow more free than those without. You have to laugh at it really, its top notch marketing and lobbying by the gun folks who play the Americans for fools and they cant even see it, its hilarious really.
>>752734967
The U.S. have the most guns per capita in the entire world. You're a literal retard if you think everyone's just going to turn them in (let alone criminals, which newsflash: felons cannot legally own guns).
And I'll fucking kill you if you try to send my Granddad's war rifle to the scrap heap.
>>752732128
This is the guys that comes to Detroit and is surprised when a nigger waves an illegal gun in his face.
>>752735213
Thats just not true, there are fucking towns in shithole afganistan that have no electricity, and live in mud huts, that produce thousands of guns a day. So stfu
>>752723779
Because of liberty, freedom etc etc.
It is a natural right to defened yourself when someone tries to hurt you.
It is my right to own a gun for self defence.
>>752735178
>poorly paraphrasing things to support your narrative
>>752735279
>i will kill you if you try to take away my gun
with a gun i assume?
>>752735300
no my friend, this is the guy who lives in and will remain in a civilised society. as has been said earlier, you issue is with your society not with guns.
>>752735143
>just like the only real justification for guns that exists.
Other than all of the times that it has earned citizens their freedom, kept innocents from becoming victims....
I thought you said you were neither pro nor anti-gun, hypocrite?
>also because all of mankind deserves an education.
You more than most.
>literally based in fear
>>literally based in fear
Good point. I mean, she should have one as a matter of joy, right. She should only want to shoot it off in celebration, never in defense.
SMH
Because the alternative is being the governments property.
>>752735202
remarkably few actually! and i don't know how everyone being armed wouldve stopped the car attacks in Barcelona, London, Nice etc...
worked so well in Charlottesville!
>>752735343
I N S A N E L E V E L S O F A U T I S M
>>752734837
I'll use a baseball bat against several people, or a criminal with a gun, or someone who jumps me and is slamming my head into the sidewalk?
If you don't believe in having the ability to competently defend your life, then it has no value, and essentially you don't believe in the right to life to begin with.
also
>when a response to philosophy is telling them to get a baseball bat because of reasons instead of addressing the actual philosophy
your and idiot
Im sure the majority of you idiots, will bend-over and take it in the ass if the government told you too.
>>752735279
If they take away your guns will you feel like less of a man? such a crisis of masculinity on display here
>>752735343
See, I know this is a troll, but because you're american it's not immediately obvious.
>>752734843
>you can't buy alcohol until 21
what a cuck country
>>752735441
there are actually tribal areas in Pakistan that have an entire gun market, just do a little research for once.
>>752734039
Name your city than so i can look up the crime statistics and see how diverse it actually is.
I'll wait.
>>752734480
I can't stand when people try to make such a complex situation appear so simple. Please, explain to me, why does Chicago have so much god damn gun violence; mind you, Illinois requires residents to have a firearm owners identification card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police to be able to obtain a firearm. Given Chicago is a fucking warzone, and is heavily fueled by drugs and gangs, I don't presume the state police are handing out cards to their local gang bangers. So, I ask, how is it, that a city with one of if not the most gun violence has gotten so bad, when it's near impossible for such criminals to obtain a firearm; because, from what I have heard, guns may as well be illegal there as they are so hard to obtain.
>>752735611
Search Darra Adam Khel read a little bit, dont let your ego control you.
>>752735496
how many times have you had this happen? why are you so scared of it happening? I don't know anyone who feels the need to carry a weapon to feel safe, or affirm their 'right to life' whatever the fuck that means.
It's kinda sad that everyone else is just getting on with living and you need a gun to feel alive.
>>752728139
Get some sleep Nanci
>>752735438
>Car attacks in London unstoppable by armed citizenry.
As if they didn't get out and begin stabbing people... or get shot dead by the police afterwards, long afterwards.
>>752735676
Well pakistan is a relatively industrially developed country. We were talking about Afghanistan, and all of the guns there were manufactured abroad. Most were Russian leftovers.
>>752734480
Your getting a tax break as well you dumb faggot, feel free to see how much money trump is trying to save you.
http://taxplancalculator.com/
How fucking evil of him though.
Gun control is for keeping Catalonia from seceding from Spain.
It worked
>>752735978
Well im not talking about Afghanistan, my point is people can produce guns, with very little resources.
>>752736004
Plenty of deductibles etc that are being removed. That website doesn't have the full picture - whatever is gained is more than lost elsewhere.
>>752735433
>fear
>>752735401
lol tbh
i already said i wish i could go in my garden and fire a few rounds for fun, which would be owning one as a matter of joy. i can do that with my air rifles but its not the same.
>>752735496
>If you don't believe in having the ability to competently defend your life, then it has no value, and essentially you don't believe in the right to life to begin with
where do you even make these correlations? intense mental gymnastics.
have fun with your murder rates
>>752735715
>why are americans obsessed with guns
>requests data about other places
terrible, terrible debate skills.
>>752735802
only time ive ever carried a weapon was when i knew i was going to do something stupid, if it were a gun, i'd probably either be in jail or dead right now. the awful thing is that if i had access to a gun back then, i probably would've chosen to use it, i am very glad i did not have this option.
>>752736004
What part of "The rich will get a tax break" don't you understand? Unacceptable.
>>752735274
Clearly not an American. Because I rarely come across any Americans who ascribe to that dogmatic pratice/belief system.
>>752736113
Pakistan has plenty of resources, this isn't the early 1900s you fucktard, and nobody in the USA is gonna manufacture a gun to sell it to you illegally the same way weed is grown and sold illegally.
>>752736219
>I like to have the freedom/ability to own whatever the fuck I want
Except you do not have that freedom. Where do you draw the line. You cant go buy a fully automatic weapon. You cant buy a missile. You cant own a nuke. Hell, you cant buy a Lotus Elise becasue it might pollute the baby seals a bit too much. You do not have the freedom you think you do.
>>752736333
If there is a market for it, and demand, you bet ur fucking vagina people will do it.
>>752736211
The part where the rich get a tax break under his plan me a middle class person will make about 15% more in my paycheck
ITT: Country who got wrecked by peasants they were subjugating admonishes those very peasants' descendants for continuing to bear arms.
>>752736466
muh free marketz
>>752724822
Or you know niggers. You eurocucks will learn soon eniugh
>>752736219
>Wanna know why we own them...because we can. There is literally no other reason. I like to have the freedom/ability to own whatever the fuck I want. And if I feel like I want to go shoot some fucking hogs with a 6.8 ar15 and thermal/night vision optics I will. Us Americans like to shoot and blow shit up.
well done, finally an american who addresses the reality of the situation.
but
>Oh and we for the most part like to stand our ground and not be fucking cucks to the government.
standing your ground against guns as a justification to have more guns is so counter productive, its like you guys just dont want peace.
and if you're saying not to be a cuck to the government; seriously, if the government wanted you to die, you would die regardless of your AR's or pistols or w/e. there is absolutely no way you could compete.
>>752736598
this is a true personification of the argument. your issue is with society, not with gun control - but you are too blind to realise that these are not the same things.
>>752736582
Still waiting for the communist utopia huh?
>>752736452
You can buy and own fully automatic weapons with lesser of a hassle then it takes eurocucks to own a fucking bolt gun. Ffl 10 license slows me to manufacture and own destructive devices. If we could own nukes guess what we would. I made it very clear where my freedom lays within gun ownership I could give a fuck about an over priced car or any other horse shit. Guns serve a purpose. They are a tool to some people's survival and a tool for somes income and down right fun for others. Why the fuck does a government get to control that? They don't and they won't.
>>752736211
Purposely phrasing your statement to make it appear that only rich will be receiving a tax break, when it applies to every tax bracket is disingenuous and you know it. Just like the all the lefty pundits who are framing it in the exact same way.
You lie by omission
>>752736773
They go hand it hand. Society breeds the niggers and mexicans that think it's cool to be a thug and Rob people and shit so I need a fun to protect my self and my family.
>>752736833
>Why the fuck does a government get to control that? They don't and they won't.
Except, they can and they do. See the bit above, you said it yourself, you have to fill out a form.... who do you think approves that form?
Fact is, the government that you want to arm yourself against are the very same government who decide exactly what you can and cant have. You are not free to own whatever you want.
>>752736779
lets not get started on US paranoia about the communist threat that ended decades ago.... too much paranoia for one thread
>>752736955
No, they dont. You are just a scared man living in a broken society who shifts the blame to another lobby instead of addressing the real issue.
You guys are actual morons and I bid you farewell. I hope you dont get shot in the streets.
>>752736073
True. Throughout human history no one just got independence just like that. It always had to do with stepping on someones toes.
If you want independence be ready to fight for it.
But Europeans today aren't ready to fight for anything.
>>752736773
peace is boring. and I when I get my conceal and carry licence I can't wait for the first mf to try and rob me so I can put two rounds in his fucking skull. killing is invigorating, I don't speak for most Americans but that's why I want a gun. inb4 u r inbred hillbilly lole xdxdxdxxd. there are two kinds of people, those who eat and those who are eaten.
>>752723779
Like shooting things.
>>752737123
found the incel
>>752737123
Holy shit your a fucking moron. I hope Muhammad spent rape your girlfreind or anything. Have a good one.
>>752737123
Holy shit your a fucking moron. I hope Muhammad doesnt rape your girlfreind or anything. Have a good one.
>>752736773
I don't feed into this fight the government bullshit. It would just be a blood bath that would never end. Guns serve purposes many ways. But for most Americans it's just because we want to own them and we see the joy and fun in going out and perfecting something like shooting. Or blasting away hundreds of dollars. Government isn't my concern. Trespassers coming after my crops our live stock are. And predators and over population of hogs are. It's easier to mitigate population with a weapon that has a high capacity and semi auto then it would be for me to go out with a lever action 45-70
>>752737123
Only person with any sense in this thread.
>>752723779
Why are you such a faggot?
>>752737383
Only 15 year old in the thread.
>>752736202
You make the claim the that your city is multi-culti diverse as well as peaceful. But refuse to provide the city name because I'll BTFO your liberal utopia bullshit when we take a look at the crime statistics in your area.
Yep I'm the one who cant debate.
>>752737156
I believe you, i dont think that makes you an inbred hillbilly, but i do think you are a fool, an evil man and dont belong in a modern society.
>peace is boring
true, its also the desirable state of mind.
>>752737245
i had to google what this means and the reason i am leaving is to go pick up my gf after shes been watching the rubgy with her friends, believe what you want.
>>752737284
>>752737326
dope stuff, keep justifying your behaviour with racism.
>>752737362
it would end with anyone opposing the government dying.
again your justification is built in a fear of bad behaivour from other people, again which is an extension of deeper problems in your society.
have fun everyone.
>>752736955
Society also breeds a lot of idiot whites who are no more intellectually evolved than the niggers. And I'm not talking about poor white trash. I am talking about any jackass who thinks it's social to be an American. They are always the most idiotic mouth breathers who never question what their government or society tell them and fall in line like good little cannon fodder.
>>752737383
Yeah so much sense. He gave no explanation on anything. Just said I am scared. Yep typical anti gun argument
>>752737557
cardiff.
>>752737600
You litteralu just described democrats and their gun control ways good job
Because they are badass.
They make loud noises and blow holes in shit.
It is good old fashioned fun.
Quit being a pussy.
>>752737583
I love how facts is consider reason. Like i said you euros will learn soon enough i just hope y'all catch it before it goes too far
Majoruty of firearm deaths are suicides (68%) with a total of 33,000 firearm days in 2016. But over 37,000 more vehicle deaths. So should we ban motor vehicles or not? I dont understand why you guns are so adamant about gun control but dont argue to ban motor vehicles, or prescription drugs, or alcohol.
>>752737828
Racism* my bad I am on my phone
>>752737583
neck yourself
also, bitches love killers so tell that to your imaginary gf
>>752737879
>37,000 vehicle deaths
That is a false equivalency.
Guns are specifically designed to inflict damage, vehicles are for transportation.
>>752737879
also i just had a stroke and meant Majority* and 37,000 MOTOR*
>>752723779
Maybe because they like firing weapons at target ranges and going hunting? you know like the rest of the fucking world ?
>>752723779
We aren't pussies.
>>752737123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9sny5qaMvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7huKipQHKvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y72rrdSlpOY
>>752737964
But i can easily run over people with my car.
>>752737964
Maybe but we don't need anything over 100mph. That's too fast. We need to go only 65mph and that's it
>>752737995
You know very well that is an excuse and many gun owners like myself are just itching for a reason to turn someone's head in to chowder.
>>752737583
if you think a boring state of mind isdesirable you should go outside.
mfw I found the sheltered virgin
>>752738075
No not at all I never want to use my ar15 or handgun in self defense
>>752738075
well jesus fucking christ is all i can say to that statement.
>>752737964
More people die from them so why arent you trying to get cars banned? Or is it not the deaths you care about?
>>752738028
So you've re-purposed a vehicle into a weapon.
It's more difficult to re-purpose a weapon into anything else.
It is also way easier to dodge a vehicle than a bullet, and you can't really rob someone at car-point.
>>752738052
You're very right, we actually don't.
>>752738075
Eh it's not as exciting as you think.
>>752738242
It doesnt matter, more people die from them, so why arent you upset that people can easily get cars?
>>752738144
You're funny.
>>752738203
You're sheltered.
>>752738212
Because you can have a functional society without firearms. If we were to remove private vehicles from society, then we'd be entirely reliant on public transportation.
That is unfeasible.
It is silly to compare the two, unless we see a spike in vehicular homicide.
In a perfect world, gun control would mean going house to house throughout the nation and taking away every single firearm, including muzzle loaders. That would be impossible. Regardless of its constitutionality, gun owners would either fight back until there were a nationwide civil war or simply hide their weapons and claim they have none. Since most of those in the US are unregistered, no one knows who has what. Owners could always claim they destroyed those that are registered.Thus, to debate gun control is a futile exercise. They cannot be controlled—not anymore. The continuation of buying and selling them cannot make the situation any worse because criminals will never again have to go far to find one.
>>752738347
That is entirely subjective.
>>752738349
You're really stuck on this false equivalency.
It was a bad example.
Move on.
>>752738552
Boating accident
>>752737626
No wonder you feel safe. You're surrrounded by white people.
Now let me show you my city
>>752738552
Decreasing the availability of something rarely decreases a market for it and it is not the availability of firearms that is the issue, it is the availability of idiots. Some form of balance between education and legislation is required. The government doesn't ban cars just because they are sometimes used illegally but they do make you wear seat belts. Blaming a gun for someone being shot may be like blaming a fork for making Rosie O'Donnell fat but limiting her access to the cutlery drawer couldn't hurt.
Educating people on the dangers of guns might be as effective as blocking the availability to firearms, but that would require far more effort.
>>752723779
cuz they r actually very scared. They had 1 war and went 'WE NEEEEEED GUNS JUST IN CASE GOVERNMENT TURNS ON US AGAIN". There r countries, who were attacked multiple times, like Poland and they didnt think "we need to have ebery1 carrying guns, just in case theres another war, so that every1 can defend themselves". Looks like they r less scared and more confident.
>>752738678
I guess if you've never done it before it would be exciting but after the first time it just becomes a chore.
>>752738707
Holy shit if I lived there I would feel safe too
Homicide rate United Kingdom
2011/12: 653
2010/11: 765
2009/10: 712
2008/09: 765
2007/08: 879
2006/07: 856
2005/06: 832
2004/05: 958
2003/04: 914
2002/03: 1,112
2001/02: 958
2000/01: 919
1999/00: 828
If you need clarity what this is showing is that homicide rates in the UK are falling, not rising at all.
Basically the same can be done for all of his nutter points contained herein and let us not get in to the facts of how many of these UK homicides are gun related (here is a hint in 2011 it was 38 out of 765).
And of course we will not even go into why crime (especially violent crime) has been on the rise since the Reagan and Thatcher years where there is a direct correlation with the me know attitude these parasites introduced and the increase in general violence and desensitising to crime in general as the world has become a place of have and have nots.
Yep gun control doesn't work, keep repeating that mantra when every figure available disproves it.
>>752738707
That's white as fuck, you lily was faggot
>>752731960
I'm allowed to own any type of restricted or non restricted firearm since I finished all my training here in Canada. Quick and easy but i still have no desire to purchase anything other than my trusty .22 cal that has no other purpose than to shoot the weasles when they get in the horse barn.
>>752723779
Because you're a fag
>>752738834
>After this first time
Hah
>>752738852
Is that gun homicides or all?
>>752737626
>>752738707
Take a look.
>>752739060
all
Prohibition didn’t stop alcohol… gun control won’t stop guns. The people who prospered during Prohibition by importing and supplying alcohol were gangsters like Al Capone. If gun control were in place, the people we’d really have to worry about would be the modern-day Al Capone supplying guns.
The world isn’t perfect… and you can’t regulate it to perfection. There’s about one gun for every citizen inside the U.S. already. It would be impossible to collect this massive trove of guns. Even if the government wanted to, they could not control guns already present… or guns that would find their way into those hands who want them.
>>752723779
>>752723779
because government has killed more people than disease
>>752739100
Cause ours has too.
A Nov. 26, 2013 study found that, between 1980 and 2009, "assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level" and "states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murders." While gun ownership doubled in the twentieth century, the murder rate decreased. John R. Lott, Jr., PhD, author of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, stated, "States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes... The effect on 'shall-issue' [concealed gun] laws on these crimes [where two or more people were killed] has been dramatic. When states passed these laws, the number of multiple-victim shootings declined by 84 percent. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90 percent and injuries by 82 percent." A Dec. 10, 2014 Pew survey found that 57% of people believe that owning a gun protects them from being victimized. Journalist John Stossel explained, "Criminals don't obey the law… Without the fear of retaliation from victims who might be packing heat, criminals in possession of these [illegal] weapons now have a much easier job... As the saying goes, 'If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.'"
>>752739467
in case you’re a numbers kind of person, the number of privately owned handguns has risen by over 50 million, while the percentage of the U.S. population living in states that have Right-to-Carry concealed handgun laws has risen from 29 percent to 74 percent, and the nation’s violent crime rate has decreased 48 percent, to a 43-year low.
>>752738829
this
Murder Victims
by Weapon, 2008–2012
Weapons 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Total 14,224 13,752 13,164 12,795 12,765
Total firearms: 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,653 8,855
Handguns 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,251 6,371
Rifles 380 351 367 332 322
Shotguns 442 423 366 362 303
Other guns 81 96 93 97 110
Firearms, type not stated 1,825 1,828 1,933 1,611 1,749
Knives or cutting instruments 1,888 1,836 1,732 1,716 1,589
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 603 623 549 502 518
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 875 817 769 751 678
Poison 9 7 11 5 12
Explosives 11 2 4 6 8
Fire 85 98 78 76 85
Narcotics 34 52 45 33 35
Drowning 16 8 10 15 13
Strangulation 89 122 122 88 89
Asphyxiation 87 84 98 92 105
Other weapons or weapons not stated 999 904 872 858 778
>>752723779
The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
>>752723779
Because we've got dindus niggering in the streets and Eurocucks who can't be assed to protect themselves against mudslimes.
Fuck you.
>>752723779
Because it's our constitutional right, unlike most of the world, we could actually form a militia if invaded or if president cheeto nigger starts a second civil war
>>752737964
According to their manufacturers, my firearms are designed to put holes in paper and destroy orange airborne clay discs.
Are you perhaps biased?
>>752735080
hahahaaha! you are right crime is going down but the crime decreases has been steadily decreasing IE crime is increasing. You silly liberal sheep.
>>752740314
/thread
>>752725794
Remember what you said here when you walk outside and your new neighbor Mohammed beheads you with a butter knife.
>>752723779
Because they are a right, and they are fun to shoot, run 3-gun courses with!
>>752738081
>you are a sheltered virgin because you support peace
w e w l a d
>>752738707
>you are surrounded by white people so you feel safe
no i am in a civilised city with civilised people so i feel safe.
>>752739072
using figures to justify your racism, yet again. clearly it is lost on you that your problem is not race, but deeply embedded issues within society such as poverty and lack of equal opportunity between classes and areas.
goodnight you absolute fucking retards, again; i hope you dont get shot on the streets.
>>752740815
>Every location with niggers is a crime ridden shit hole
>it's not the niggers it's poverty i swaer!
Why do wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites?
>>752740663
>My firearms are specifically designed to negatively affect the structural integrity of a selected object, also known as inflicting damage, rendering it a weapon.
>Well so is a sledgehammer.
I'd kill to see the next spree killer with a sledgehammer.
Next.
>>752740941
Prove it retard.
>>752723779
because when you're poor and powerless, anything that makes you feel less impotent becomes addicting
>>752741104
Nice strawman. Prove that my personal firearms were designed to cause injury to another person. And don't deflect.
Next.
>>752741309
Then at the very least you would never use one for self-defense, and have little reason to use anything other than a rental.
Tripple Next no backsies, faggot.
>>752741409
Rental? Gun stores don't do "rentals" and I've never been a shooting range in my life. I own land. I step outside my backdoor and I'm already at the shooting range.
>>752723779
Because they're fun as hell.
t. canadian
>>752741588
>Gun stores dun do "rentals"
...and I've never been a shooting range in my life.
...good for fucking you? Unfortunately you would have to at that point, or do you not hunt either?
I know you really do, and are just cornered, so reaching for your gun, that thing totally not designed to harm living organisms.
>>752741792
your post doesn't make any sense. I'll interpret your nonsensical rambling as an admission of defeat.
Next.
>>752740815
Civilized around whites.. Yeah
>>752738992
How is that Vz fampai
I'm considering getting one but our long barreled versions look silly as hell so I'm hesitant
>>752723779
Why don't you faggots ever ask the Serbs?
>>752741864
It makes a perfect amount of sense.
Two key arguments are now nullified for gun ownership, according to your own rhetoric, self-defense, and for hunting.
The only thing left is for target practice, which you seem to justify by the fact you own land, as if that somehow justifies building a casino or rape dungeon.
>>752742272
Americucks are more retarded
>>752736202
>where do you even make these correlations? intense mental gymnastics.
If you value life, you believe that it has a right to be protected. If it cannot be reasonably protected, then you don't truly value life. There is no place on the earth that does not have murder, assault, and rape. Police have been legally upheld by the Supreme Court that they have no obligation to protect your life, and police response times are measured in minutes while a violent confrontation can be over in seconds. What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing, because you haven't even said anything against any of my points except, "hurr durr you're delusional, your mind is warped, you're pulling mental gymnastics."
I have never had to use my gun in self defense, and never hope that I will have to. But the notion of disarming law-abiding citizens with no justification is all that you advocate.
>>752742381
While that may be true, it is not the cause of our gun deaths.
>>752742281
Where specifically did I say guns aren't for self defense or hunting?
>>752741309
>PERSONAL
>E
>R
>S
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>A
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MY firearms aren't for self defense or hunting. Mine being different from someone elses. The assertion that guns are explicitly for "inflicting damage" is FALSE. But It is true that SOME guns exist for "inflicting damage"
And my owning land justifies nothing, it was exposition for the fact that I've never been to a shooting range, and therefore never had the opportunity to rent a gun. Since you/he/retard claimed that I should just be renting guns if I don't want to shoot people with them
What's it like being THIS stupid?
>>752742625
You're a delusional little twat, aren't you?
>>752740663
>According to their manufacturers, my firearms are designed to put holes in paper and destroy orange airborne clay discs.
Neat, there goes any legitimacy for concealed carry permits.
>MY FIREARMS AREN'T MEANT FOR INFLICTING DAMAGE.
You're damaging said paper and orange airborne clay discs, with a mechanism that fires metal projectiles at high velocity, with an explosion.
"Inflicting damage" doesn't mean upon a living creature, so if your gun inflicts zero damage to its intended target, then it's not even a gun at that point, if we're working on screwy semantics here.
>My owning land justifies nothing
Neat, so there was actually no point in bringing it up whatsoever, since you could easily go to a range as you could a casino, since regardless of whatever position you try to take, government intervention exists, so you can't adequately argue against it.
>>752723779
um, cause they are nothing more than normal inanimate objects here....... like any other fun or collectible items
they go pew pew pew
and makes things ded
>>752743157
>Neat, there goes any legitimacy for concealed carry permits.
Elaborate on how you drew this conclusion? Because my Firearms are rifles and shotguns you could not concealed carry if you tried.
The statement "inflicting damage" has a very obvious implied reference to living creatures. Your car inflicts damage to the roads, your fork inflicts damage to your food, your stupidity inflicts damage to my patience. using the phrase "inflicts damage" so vaguely is misleading at best and underhanded semantics at worst. Kys
>Neat, so there was actually no point in bringing it up
There was, but you're clearly too stupid to understand it, so we'll skip this point. Except for this blatant insult. you're stupid.
big boys toys
>>752743516
You're terrible with directions.
>Elaborate on how you drew this conclusion.
Certainly, because now the gun control debate dwindles to rifles and shotguns, and you holding them within your home, never allowing them to see the light of day, for no other reason than to shoot targets. That is, supposedly, the only legitimate use from here on out, since extending it would render them weaponry. That takes a solid chunk out of the firearms market, not to mention the NRA's standpoint.
>The statement "inflicting damage" has a very obvious implied reference to living creatures.
Also wrong, it was solely directed towards inanimate objects.
>Your car inflicts damage to the roads, your fork inflicts damage to your food, etc.
Right, but these are unintended consequences, like a golf club causing wear to a golf ball. The purpose of a golf club is not to damage the golf ball, only to drive it, where as the sole purpose of a firearm, is to cause damage to its intended target. There is no other reason for its construction.
Stop projecting.
>There was.
No, there wasn't, seeing as how we're justifying gun ownership, and you said so, yourself that,
>My ownership of land justifies nothing
Fantastic then.
No u
>>752724822
>ignorance
>implying almost all facisct/communist regimes dont start with taking the guns out of the civilian population.
>>752745094
>Implying almost all fascist/communist regimes don't start with taking the guns out of the civilian population
This is retarded, totalitarian regimes arises due to lack of political intervention by civilians. In other words, you're more than capable of running for office, and preventing this from happening.
You don't.
Collective apathy causes government oppression, nothing more.
>>752745311
>collective apathy causes government oppression.
Nigger you need to go back to social studies class. Totalitarianism comes from killing off opposing figures and disarming potential threats to the power. Look at the Bolshevik Revolution and how the white army got fucked for opposing the bolsheviks. Or how about the uprisings that happened in Nazi occupied Europe? How about the Bay of pigs in Cuba? Through out history people who stand against the Dictator are put away or killed. And yeah your average joe has the right to run for office, but career politicians, lack of political education, elitist political parties and here in America, the electoral college, make it hard for the average person to run and win.