I just received a reply from my senator on net neutrality, /b/.
> however, I also believe that such federal mandates would unduly inhibit this industry's investment in new technology and job creation. Moreover, the Internet and online content have thrived in the United States without net neutrality, which throws into question the need for more government intervention.
>I am encouraged by Chairman Pai's recent proposal to keep our Internet free from greater government control. Net neutrality threatens the innovation and economic freedom that have made the Internet a powerful catalyst for job creation and growth.
There's no way this shit is fucking real, right? It was in my spam folder, but it comes from pat_noreply (at) toomey.senate.gov
What the actual fuck, /b/ros. Does anyone else's senators feel this way?
>>752555142
they are paid to "feel" that way. Welcome to citizens united and money in politics
>>752555142
Yes, thank God
>>752555400
pretty much this. I doubt your senator gives two fucks about net nuetrality and is just speaking for a lobbyist
>>752555400
This is some fucking bullshit. I don't think we're going to win, bros. :/
>>752555142
Internet controlled by the government or internet controlled by big companies
You're a fucking retard if you support net neutrality and a fucking retard if you're against net neutrality.
And you're a fucking retard if you're a horseshoe theory centrist idiot.
>>752555142
>technoLOGy
>>752555142
ITT: shills and internet retards
>>752555704
wat do then?
>>752555866
only shill here is you
>>752555142
>is for net neutrality
>doesn't realize article 2 =/= net neutrality
welcome, new friend
>>752555704
this. just give up or go for a truly decentralized internet replacement
>>752555825
you are the worst
>>752555956
says the Soros shill. At least you are trying to earn your pay, faggot
>>752555505
Can someone please tell me how lobbying is even legal? Is it not bribery?
>>752555899
>>752556058
This.
The world is burning and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
If you thought there was a good route for a good ending you haven't been paying enough attention.
The only way to save this world would be for the ENTIRE white race to go full pol NOW and instantaneously.
but that wont happen. However, in 50 years (less more likely) the world will "end"
Humans will exist still and humanity / the planet will survive, but there will be few humans left compared to now.
I'd estimate a world war three as soon as the oil runs out.
Nature is preparing to cull us as we speak.
>>752556454
care to provide some arguments for your claims?
>>752556639
Why, you would just cherry pick one point to counterpoint and ignore everything else that is inconvenient to your narrative. If you couldn't make any logical or sane rebuttal or retort you would resort to name calling and personal attacks.
>>752555825
Still doing this unproductive shit dude?
I mean, it's your life but dam
>>752555956
shill faggot fuck you!
>>752557242
>>752555142
Your Senator sounds like a fucking robot anon.
>>752555956
>the only way someone can disagree with me is if they are a shill or if they are a moron
Please fuck off with your "net neutrality is a MORAL issue" garbage.
>>752555142
What's the deal with this net neutrality anyway?
Everyone wants shit to stay as it is, so what's the deal with these people trying to change it?
Literally no one is asking for it.
>>752557526
The big corporations are asking for it. They want the power to strangle all competition and force even more of a monopoly on us.
>>752557395
No a insult
Just a observation
I'm just saying you could use all this free time too do product hobbies and improve yourself
But you're a free citizen, do as you please
>>752557009
No, I really liked reading your reply, was wondering why you feel the way you do. I'm not looking to argue, I have a headache.
>>752557739
>>752555400
If you are a liberal leftist that loves big government, you like net nuetrality. If you are more conservative, think government is too big and intrusive already, you're against it.
>>752557526
This>>752557714
The only "government control" on the internet, is that of stopping ISPs from throttling/blocking shit. Literally. The "government control" that the Sen. was talking about is not control of citizens, per se, but corporations.
Corporations don't like it. This is like their 8th time trying to pull this shit.
>>752557714
Big corporations are just like.. 40 different people.
But here we have hundreds of millions of people who are saying no, and they'll keep saying no.
So why keep going when their proposal keeps getting shut down by literally everyone but 40 people.
It's basically just a huge annoyance to everyone.
>>752557827
I'm not mature at all
Why do you think i'm on /b/ you retarded autistic lifeless no girlfriend having shit head faggot
>>752557526
If your argument is "keep the shit the way that it was", then we shouldn't have it, since it has only been implemented since 2015.
>>752555142
>>752558101
>>752557948
No, you lying fuck, stop trying to appeal to people's personal identities. This is something both conservatives, and libtards agree on: Net Neutrality is here to stay, we're FOR it.
>t. conservative
>>752558177
Says the fagot spaming shit jokes
>>752557948
>liberal leftist
>more conservative
>you like net neutrality
no, every single person who could be effected by it and finds out what it actually is, is against it. there are no political ties, there is no separation of opinion.
>>752557714
You are an uninformed idiot. Owners and operators of networks don't need the crushing grip of government around their throats. Never has government intervention made a product better or more affordable. But you knew that, you're just a leftist commie.
>>752558272
>>752558109
>since it has only been implemented since 2015.
No, it's only been ENFORCED, properly, since 2015. It's always existed, and there were lawsuits against corporations the interfered with it. The corporations lost. Now, it's illegal for them to do that shit because of 2015.
>Learn_Before_You_Speak
>>752558200
he is literally a shill, this is a typical technique where he presents convoluted versions of the data to cause us to both not address it, and to argue over the less relevent parts of the debate.
fuck off shill
>>752558200
Net nuetrality is outta here, and it's about fucking time.
>>752557948
this is the grossest most stupid fucking thing Ive ever seen on 4chan, and I just casually scrolled past a dude finger blasting a horse.
>>752555825
>>752557242
>>752557395
>>752557739
>>752557827
>>752558101
>>752558177
>>752558272
>>752558338
Samefags, and/or supreme autism
>>752558338
More mature than your faggot ass
you nigger loving faggot
>>752555866
Farking shill
Title II enforces net neutrality, kys.
>>752558278
Wrong media matters spambot, it's a blatant leftist power grab, and it will be removed.
>>752558559
>>752558556
Autism for mee
>>752557948
Liberals and Conservatives agree on this issue, bot man
>>752558606
Get a life
>>752556043
Obama administration called it "net neutrality" to troll the fuck out of anyone that ever wanted to repeal it.
>>752558392
Cool, then you must support Voter ID laws for the same reasons.
>>752558654
>>752558659
>>>752557822
>>752555142
They're shills for ISP donors
>>752556312
It's an abomination and by all rights should be prohibited. It's legal because the only people who can outlaw it are the congress, which happen to be the ones benefiting from it. So it's like asking a judge to rule against themselves.
>>752558698
Face it
You love me because you love shit
>>752555704
Fuck off shill
>>752556312
Cause they made it legal and no one gave enough of a shit to quit their petty partisanship and stop it.
>>752558788
>>752556312
Look up citizens united
It destroyed this country
>>752558829
My point exactly
>>752558679
>If A, then B
>B
>therefore A.
Not a valid argument, son.
>>752558645
I'm a conservative and I think net neutrality can fuck right off.
You don't have a right to the "internet". If you want to use someones service (like, an ISP), it's business between you and them.
Don't like the service? Stop paying for it.
You're the same fucking moron wanting to legislate that a health insurance company needs to cover "pre-existing conditions", because you actually aren't sure what the difference between insurance and healthcare is.
>>752558907
Every Obama Era government overreach needs to be removed, especially net nuetralty. If George Soros and David Brock are for it, you can be guaranteed it's bad for America . God bless ajit pai
>>752558508
underrated comment of the millennium.
>>752558957
>We need net neutrality because of shit that historically hasn't happened but will happen if we don't force the government to regulate it
>We need voter ID laws because of shit that historically hasn't happened but will happen if we don't force the government to regulate it
Pick two.
>>752558839
Citizens United destroyed the Democrats money laundering machine
>>752558295
>Never has government intervention made a product better
yea all those health regulations for my food never made them better at all.
Shit you're dumb.
>>752559004
Your bound to run out of pictures eventually faggot
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Autism for the win
>>752559191
>>752558295
The FDA? Are you fucking retarded?
>>752558958
Thank God, a grown up on /b/
>>752556312
nope its pretty much bribery and a clear disgrace to democracy
>>752559220
I got pics too bitch
>>752559281
>>752558556
Those arent samefags at all just an idiot arguing with a log poster
>>752559164
>forcing my ISP to provide me xvideos tranny porn movies is fundamentally the same as General Mills not lying about ingredients in their cereal
>>752559342
>>752555142
I have emails from 2 Virginia reps that basically say too bad, so sad. We lost.
>>752558958
I'm a conservative too, and you don't understand NN.
>You don't have a right to the "internet".
NN is not a "right to the internet", it only prevents ISPs from preventing you from visiting websites, and/or throttling your data. That internet that you already paid for... why should they be allowed to charge you extra to view a certain website, or to not slow it down? That's bullshit. It's essentially extortion: "Pay us more money, or we're going to slow your shit down!"
Go read some shit on NN, or watch a video. You're clearly misinformed.
>>752559355
https://youtu.be/wcinzmfZeCc
Bitch I got less of a life than you
>>752559459
Amen. Kids these days...
>>752558958
Except that's not true. We've crossed into a time when you cannot reasonably live without the internet. Need a job? Good luck "pounding the pavement" pops. Need to pay bills? Apply for credit? Interact with many government services? Hell, I don't think you can even get a library card without a valid email address. And it will only become more necessary. Because of this and the fact that it is held as a legislatively protected monopoly in the vast majority of the country, it should be held to a much higher standard. Those who ignorantly parrot "leave it to the free market" only show how incredibly weak their understanding of basic concept is.
>>752559473
I am together
I'm a giant piece of shit
>>752558958
You literally don't even know what NN is
>>752559020
Shill
>>752559152
Shill
>>752559519
If a private business bakery doesn't want to bake a "gay pride" cake with a dildo in the middle, I believe they have a right to refuse to provide that service.
Therefore, I also believe that an ISP has a right to modify their service as they see fit, even if it's not beneficial for you.
If you don't like it, withhold your dollar or switch to a different provider.
The answer isn't asking the government to force the service provider to bend to your will.
You aren't a conservative.
>>752559459
>>752559596
I wasn't the moron that said government intervention never helped any product be better, try not painting with such a broad brush next time faggot.
>>752555142
the net neutrality shit only came into effect in 2015 so we only had it for 2 years so why are you bitching about it getting removed when we were ok without it for so long?
>>752555142
no congresspeople give a fuck about you. get into reality and stop wasting your time with this garbage
>>752559095
You're misrepresenting the argument, and bringing in unrelated topics.
>pic related, you're actually retarded. Sorry :/
>>752555142
they're paid to say whatever the fuck their donors want them to say, they know net neutrality is dog shit for the general public, they don't care, they're getting paid by their donors, this is what money in politics does, its wherever the money goes
>>752559539
>>752559707
consider suicide
>>752559628
>>752559020
you're really afraid of brown people aren't cha?
ooga booga blackie's coming to get ya!
>>752559095
Except they were starting to pull shady shit and Net Neutrality is the result of the trickery they are starting at the time.
>>752556312
its essentially legalized bribery, you really can't explain it any other way, and people are too retarded and prideful to come to an agreement about the inherit flaw of it
>>752559707
because ISP's started fucking around with the neutrality of the internet and we needed rules to stop them from that.
>>752559774
>>752559749
Nah
fuck you
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
>>752559694
heavy shilling with false equivalencies
your two examples share no variables and they are seperate ideas. fuck off shill we dont need (((you)))
>>752559694
>r switch to a different provider.
Most people don't have that luxury, you corporate cocksucking faggot. Kill yourself, no one will miss you, and it will be a favor to society. Thanks, bub.
>>752559721
Your argument is that you want the government to dictate how an ISP has to provide their service.
You are doing this by saying the ISP cannot throttle of refuse to provide X type of traffic.
It's very simple, it's not being misrepresented.
If an ISP doesn't want to grant you access to Pizza Hut domains because they are in bed with Papa John's, it's still their fucking service and they should retain control over it, no matter how much this makes you shit your pants.
If you don't like it, switch to an ISP that promises neutral servicing.
The elite will get what they want and there's nothing you can do to stop them
>>752559767
why because your poorly informed?
>>752559707
Read the fucking thread.
>>752558392
>>752559957
the reddit army is here!
>>752560086
Just one person, just one opinion.
Stop being such a fucking baby.
>>752558776
>>752556312
>>752558800
>>752558839
>>752559340
>>752559892
Can we not do anything about this?
So when did you all learn we don't actually live in a democratic society?
>>752559957
>if you dont like it switch to an ISP that promises it
or you can just fight to keep it the way it is, the way nearly every single human in the world would prefer it, you are an absolute invalid if you think we cant stop this, all it takes is people being vocal and interacting with the argument and not getting bogged down posting in an echo chamber online about semantics and being divided by shills splitting hairs and playing identity politics.
the internet is beyond all those things, it isnt human, it is a tool, a tool that everyone uses, regardless of which side of the fence you are on any topic.
>>752559957
Difficulty: there's only one ISP in the area and they agreed with the other ISP's to stay out of each other's territories. They sue municipalities that try to build their own ISP's and/or lobby state governments to make it illegal for those municipalities to build their own
Yay for competition.
>>752560149
hur dur
look at this
im spacing!
Back to plebbit queer, fuck off muh /b/!
>>752559342
Pai needs to be killed. If this goes through then I believe it'll happen. Hell, a fuckimg deep web hitman man do it for free at that point just to save the internet.
>>752560195
I'm a dirty libby Canadian, I won't be doing anything but laugh as the US continues to trip on it's own dick, have fun trying to get control of your government back.
>>752559707
https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
Corporations were fucking with net neutrality long before anyone realized it. There are already talks of certain ISP's introducing 'fast lanes' that will 'only allow legal content' fast sure.
There goes free streaming firesticks.
I'm sure some smaller ISP's will keep their service neutral, so they'll get more business and 'open market, yatta yatta, does it's thing', but most of the country will probably have it's internet access fucked with in some way. When sites start getting blocked, 'premium service fees' start popping up, I think people will get it. Maybe not. Our country is full of fucking retards, which I'm sure most of you will say I am a part of that group.
>>752560327
>>752560261
You get the fuck off my /b, only newfag complain about reddit spacing, kys.
It's almost December.
Do you think we've made enough noise? I'm sure they moved the date up so things may "settle down" a bit. i.e. people will lack motivation in a few weeks. Not me, I'm still fucking fuming. They declared war this time, by not listening to us the first 100003921409 times. (((They're))) going to keep trying until we completely fucking rekt them
>>752560242
I don't want it to be stopped, neither do my RL buddies.
You're argument is that the government should force an ISP to provide you service on your terms instead of theirs. My argument is that the ISP should not have to do that.
>>752560244
Valid concern, except net neutrality doesn't reverse this, it perpetuates it further. Correct solution is FCC enforcement of existing anti-monopoly laws (which has already shown to be successful), and promotion of a healthier ISP marketplace (which is the growing trend).
>>752560195
when i realized that politicians with certain donors very weirdly swing into the direction that benefits the people giving them money, even if its to the determent of the general population, or like how whenever a corporate sellouts like Obama somehow gets truckloads of money just by giving speeches to wall street bankers, and man idk, idk how to do anything about lobbying, your guess is as good as mine
>>752560647
ISP's work within an area controlled by a government who has a paternal obligation to pursue the best for its people.
>>752559957
here we go libertarian bullshit.
>>752560767
here you go authoritarian bullshit.
>>752560767
it is nothing to do with political identities, stop pushing that agenda.
>>752560647
>promotion of a healthier ISP marketplace (which is the growing trend).
What the actual fuck are you on? Everything is consolidating and becoming controlled by fewer and fewer players. At least have the decency to give us a better quality of lie.
>>752560647
>net neutrality doesn't reverse this, it perpetuates it further.
I don't think it really has anything to do with NN at all.
treating all traffic as equal is how the net was designed, corporations started fucking around with that, the NN rules force companies to leave things the way they were meant to be. Fuck those corporations who were trying to screw up the net.
>>752560244
they love the government when they wanna sue somebody.
>pro tip: the judicial system is the government you cackling shitstains
>>752557948
Faggot Anons endlessly campaigned for Trump to get elected.
Now they're getting what they deserve.
Conservacucks will go along with anything their Fascist Party does and blame "Liberals" for all of their failures.
Hypocrite, treasonous brainwashed Fox News
Russian retards.
here is a fair and balanced look at both sides for all you faggots to see
https://stratechery.com/2017/pro-neutrality-anti-title-ii/
>>752560544
>>752559991
>>752560867
They'll push it because Trump is infallible, if one of his guys want this then it must be the correct course of action no matter what.
And/Or conversely that uppity nig obama was for it so it must be evil and stopped at any cost.
>>752560647
>be 4 major rulers of a country
>live in democracy
>try to ban people from visiting the beach
>the many decide you can't do that because it's not fair, everyone should have access to that part of their country
>anon says 'no, i sucked their dicks last night, let them do it!'
>be 4 major ISPs
>live in democracy
>try to prevent people from having the same, fair access to a resource
>the many decide you can't do that because it's not fair, everyone should have access to that part of the internet
>anon says 'no, i sucked their dicks last night, let them do it!'
>>752561181
no, its absolutely nothing about trump or obama or any side of the political spectrum, it is its own issue about a platform that is in everyones favour to protect
stop side tracking the issue about political identities.
>>752555395
PA anon here as well. Toomey is a fucking cock, dems seriously fucked up the election against him by nominating someone almost as unlikable as hillary.
how to get people to support government overreach 101:
>target a few specific communities of highly vocal, vulnerable people (4chan, reddit, gamers, pirates, sjws)
>start a campaign that a basic service provider issue is actually a human rights issue and that coca-cola, tide, and frito-lay are just waiting to fucking rob them and rape their mothers
>propose the solution of the government being the safety-net parent that helps make everything """"""fair""""""" as long as they are given full legislative authority
>spread the idea that anyone against government intervention must be a covert frito-lay spy trying to deceive and mislead the population to trick gullible people into thinking they are being manipulated
>don't forget to also mention that if your side is losing and you're not getting the outcome you want, it's because an ANTI-democratic process is taking place and may need to be met with violence and threats in order for "fair" democracy to take place
>watch as fat fags on 4chan get really upset and spam net neutrality threads for hours on end because they are so fucking delusional they actually believe a Time Warner gestapo is coming for them
>>752561328
it is it's own issue, but some people won't see that because they're humping Trump too hard, it's his guy so it must be the right course of action.
CORN
>>752561395
how to get people to suck corporate cock 101:
>let the government prevent said corporations from fucking over citizens
>muh-muh gubment evil! da gubment can't do dis! dat Trump though is great gubment!
>>752561395
between government overreach and corporate overreach I'll take the gov. thanks.
>>752561457
see here
>>752561107
>>752555142
Toomey's a cunt. I didn't vote for him
>>752555899
Mesh network. Look it up. Can't block traffic if im getting it from my neighber and bro.
sopping hot butt loaf... slidding down my throat
>>752561610
at least i can elect one of those
>>752559095
>>We need net neutrality because of shit that historically hasn't happened but will happen if we don't force the government to regulate it
Oh yeah I love ATT and Verizon blocking apps until I pay extra or because they have a competing platform, I love Comcast throttling Netflix, I love Comcast exempting their streaming service from data caps.
you fucking cunt. ISPs have absolutely pulled shit like this, they're planning on doing it more.
>>752561635
>Can't block traffic if im getting it from my neighber and bro
What if they're blocking their traiffic as well? My plan of action, although not sure if it would work, is to configure Tor with a bridge, and browse .onion sites.
>>752561698
I elect my throat to get clogged full of andy's hot fucking log loaf
>>752561617
no thanks, I know how the net actually works being in the computer industry, I don't need someone to tell me why letting corporations fuck up the way it was meant to work for their own profit is golly gee great.
>>752561610
>Comcast is being really shitty, I think I'll just tune them out.
>The US Government is being really shitty, I think I'll just tune them out.
Good fucking luck, moron. You can easily go switch ISPs, you can't switch governments.
>>752561764
good for you buddy. im sure your mother is proud
>>752555142
Ahhh, yes. The privatization of rights and information. Truly capitalism at it's finest, What a time to be alive.
>>752561764
>log
Sup faggot
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>752561797
>cant switch governments
>what are elections?
trump 2020 everybody
>>752561698
exactly!
>>752561822
>i have a right to Time Warner providing me internet
kys
>>752561797
>You can easily go switch ISPs, y
Nah, son. Most people can't. There's 4 major ISPs, most people only have access to one.
>>752561797
>Good fucking luck, moron. You can easily go switch ISPs, you can't switch governments.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh fuck you.
>>752561797
>You can easily go switch ISPs
No I can't, not every lives where there is actually any choice.
It is easier to switch out government, it's called voting.
>>752561872
They don't provide it for free, you stupid fuck. You pay for the internet. If you pay for the internet, you shouldn't have to pay extra to view certain websites.
You fucking 12 year old.
>>752561863
>governments can change
>my government just changed in 2016
>my new government is repealing net neutrality
>wait no I want my government to be the same now
Cool, so government shouldn't change when it's "your" government, but must always change when it's "someone else's" government?
hilary 2016 voters, everybody.
>>752561791
if your in the "computer industry" they why do you not know about proxy's, tor and the like? what exactly is your proffession as a computer person?
my throat is your toilet andy sixx
>>752562019
Front-desk help desk :^)
>>752562019
Why do you think I don't know about those things?
>>752555866
>congress doing anything bipartisan anymore
Kek. Gave me a hearty chuckle.
>>752562009
You aren't paying for the internet, you moron.
You are paying for the service that Comcast provides. It's their fucking service. They fucking own it.
If Comcast decides to suspend all it's services and close it's doors, they aren't denying you some fucking basic human right to the "internet" you fucking mongoloid.
ooo that sweet sweet buttlog
>>752562114
I did level 1 help for a bit, i'd rather be 2 or up
>>752555142
>I also believe that such federal mandates would unduly inhibit this industry's investment in new technology and job creation.
This is a prime example of the blatant lies that anti-NN people make. Shit Pie and your rep are basically saying NN hurts investment in broadband, and ISPs say the same.
BUT, in their earnings call and other statements to shareholders, where they are legally required to tell the truth, all the ISPs say that NN regulations have zero impact on their investment.
Every single argument out of that fucking evil mans mouth ranges from deceptive to objective blatant false statement.
>>752561872
You have no more right to the internet than you do electricity. The difference is that the power company doesn't have a deal with Keurig to charge you extra for using other coffee makers. They provide the power, it doesn't fucking matter how you use it.
1) I know this is a 5/10 troll, but nonetheless
2) What is happening is that republicans give $1,000,000,000 to some business and get $1,000,000 back in donations. It's broken as fuck and everyone, even republican sellouts are getting discontinued.
>>752562172
>You aren't paying for the internet, you moron.
You do know that "service" you mention is "internet service", right? Hence ISP: Internet Service Provider.
You're paying for Internet from a fucking Internet provider, you retarded fuck.
>>752562250
Funny, at&t told investors that title II hasn't hurt investment at all.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/title-ii-hasnt-hurt-network-investment-according-to-the-isps-themselves/
>>752562254
Question - is net neutrality a moral concern for you, or just a logistical business one?
>>752562114
>>752562135
you cheeky bastard
corn
>>752562015
your point? as we have established, we have the ability to change the government and with it certain laws. you say that govt should not be involved, therefore, private sector decides the rules and you have no say in it. i say govt should be involved, and you can effect change based on the sentiment of the nation, hence, this fuckery right now. in your scenario your a piece of shit who either pays or gets the fuck out while they collude and use the govt to maintain a monopoly, in my scenario, if im getting fucked too hard, i fuck back. now your gonna tell me how other private players are gonna come into play and save the day and be all that you want them to be.
>>752562364
>this fucking moron thinks that buying a ticket to an amusement park means be bought the roller coaster instead of the servicing of riding it a few times
>>752562372
yup that's exactly what i was saying, they're flat out lying when they say NN hurts investments
>>752562254
This
the net should be a dumb pipe, like water hook it up and let it flow that's the end of it. And that's what title aims to help with.
>>752562426
Sup faggot
poopy eat
>>752555825
Sup faggot
>>752562402
that's actually two different people, although I have worked on helpdesk in the past.
>>752562472
If I buy a ticket to an amusement park, I get to go on all of the rides. Likewise when I pay for internet, I get to go on all the sites.
>>752562568
Sup faggot
>>752562463
Yeah bro, the government just got fucking changed in 2016. This is what we want, get the fuck out of the way.
You lost. Step the fuck aside.
>>752562667
Nice photoshop, faggot
>>752562472
b-b-but I bought a ticket so I own all the rides, right?
>>752562487
and more importantly, it's appropriate for teh government to regulate the issue because ISPs are a natural monopoly and are given billions of dollars in subsidies from our taxes
dropping NN would be fine if there was plenty of competition and no subsidies, but that's not the case for any ISP in any US location
>>752562775
really? photoshop?
believe what you want then
>>752562472
No, it means being able to go on all of the rides as many times as you'd like, without being artificially hindered from going on the merry go round unless you pay extra money to be able to ride it at all.
It's literally the microtransactions we all hate in videogames but on a larger scale.
>>752562709
Funny how amusement parks decided that was the best business practice instead of having government step in with "amusement neutrality" legislation.
>>752555142
This is the future you chose when you voted Trump.
>>752562829
Yup, they take a lot of government money but don't want any accountability for it.
>>752561797
There's only 1 ISP where I live, Charter, and it's already fucked.
>>752562902
Yes it was, so stand the fuck down. Your team lost, you don't get what you want this time.
>>752555142
murrikah is fåkked
>>752562883
amusement parks don't have a government-granted monopoly on an essential service nor do they benefit from our taxes
>>752562883
Yeah, well unfortunately ISPs didn't come to that same conclusion. :/
>>752562883
maybe they did, I don't know about you but I'm not very familiar with amusement park laws. =3
>>752562977
Amount of new ISPs retaining net neutrality will provide you = 0
Amount of new ISPs that repealing net neutrality will provide you = 0
Net neutrality is not a solution to anything, which is why it sucks.
>>752563000
you are aware a majority of republican voters support NN right?
oh wait, you're a conservative, so ignorance is bliss
>>752562883
Yep, funny what having actual, viable competition from other parks will make them do to attract customers. Just keep the false equivalencies coming. Not fooling anyone.
>>752563000
Not him.
It's not about "teams", you simple-minded fuck. What a waste of trips.
>>752563000
No one but the big corps are getting what they really want.
>>752563026
>the solution to government-granted monopolies is giving legislative authority over the monopolies to the government
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>>752563125
It fixes things until then. You don't take it away until it's a truly free market. This is like saying, well shit, I know we need to operate to fix his legs but lets take away the wheelchair now. It's not fixing his legs.
>>752563275
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>>752563125
it was a response the the ISP's fucking with the fundamental way the internet works, but keep thinking it wasn't doing anything just because it wasn't right in your face about it.
>>752557948
Too complicated
This is Orwellian Hitler duck bullshit but if you're an adult nothing happens
>>752563296
I disagree that it fixes things.
My guy won, your girl lost.
So now, we get to try the thing I want and pass on the thing you want.
So shut the fuck up about this being a "moral, human-rights" issue just because you don't want to concede.
>>752555625
what do you mean 'we'? it's a big world, enjoy being an internet backwater
>>752563275
yup, otherwise monopolies become more and more abusive. you're familiar with the history of that idea right?
we can dump NN when consumers actually have a bunch of different ISP options to choose from. 99% don't have more than 2 options (no, mobile and dialup don't count)
>>752563403
>we won
>you lost
This isn't a fucking game. Why do we allow stupid people to exist? It's not fair, and ruins the quality of life for others.
Just kill yourself.
>>752558295
They've tried throttling before, they've censored websites before. The government made it illegal.
>>752563403
and you have no problem with the fact that eliminating NN is actually opposed by republican voters? your own leaders are acting against the will and best interest of your own party.
>>752557948
>If you are a liberal leftist that loves big government, you like net nuetrality.
i'll wait while you try to build a coherent argument around that fantasy
>>752558776
Comp so no Pagar 15 dolarespara ve r mamadas en el cine pinche negra hablando British english punk bitch
>>752563403
How does it not fix things temporarily? The core problems is monopolies getting away with shady shit as they were starting to try leading up to 2015. You say we need to fix the monopolies. Do you say that until this theoretical goal can be accomplished we all take a dick in the ear? And for what? So the ISPs can resume the shady shit until this magical time in the future when they have viable competition? Your logic is abysmal.
>>752555400
True.
>>752563762
>Your logic is abysmal.
why else do you think anyone who isn't filthy rich votes (R)?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/07/hate-your-isp-maybe-you-need-community-fiber
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/07/community_sponsored_broadband_the_internet_equivalent_of_a_csa.html
Why not push this /b/?
Make it easy for the individual to come to their community leaders with this proposition.
That is how you win.
If we have a lawfag that could help us along with this.
It has to be cheaper now than it was then, articles circa 2014.
>>752563665
It's 50/50, not opposed by a discernible majority.
You wouldn't know this, of course, since the recruitment strategy was to convince dumb people like you that net neutrality is actually a human rights issue.
>>752555395
Your prioritizing job creation over freedom of speech.
You're a fucking sellout.
You're a robot.
You're a tool.
You deserve to be hung.
>>752563967
A new poll of Republican voters shows that a majority of President Trump's supporters are in favor of net neutrality rules and also oppose the pending AT&T-Time Warner merger.
The survey from trade group Incompas and IMGE, a GOP polling firm, shows that 75 percent of Trump voters and 72 percent of GOP voters say that internet service providers should be “prohibited from slowing or blocking websites or video services like Netflix.”
it varies from poll to poll but is always a majority
and guess what? it's the same on the (D) side
and i never said it was a human rights issue, that was someone else.
>>752564149
y u still here posting this shit m8?
>>752564209
well over 90% of those andy six posts are from one deeply unhinged nutjob, the rest are newfags who just don't know any better
>>752564209
>>752564149
Yeah... i never even bothered to figure out who he was...
A literal shit post.
>>752564303
>over 90% of those andy six posts are from one deeply unhinged nutjob
kek that's what i always assumed
>>752564404
same. figured he's an emo singer or some literal shit
>>752563962
Guess what, the big ISP's have sued and lobbied to stop this from happening, even when they have no intent of servicing or upgrading an area they won't let anyone else do it either and will tie up in court or lobby the state to make it illegal.
I'm sure it's been great for the few communities that have been able to do it though.
>>752558958
You can no longer view this website until you buy our 4chan package.
~ Verizon
>>752564130
Hi, here's a picture directly from the technical results of the poll you referenced (http://www.incompas.org/files/IMGEInsights-Presentations-KeyFindings-1c.pdf).
Wow! It's almost like... You didn't actually read the poll results yourself, and you're copy-pasting headlines from a biased opinion piece somewhere else on the web.
>>752559957
>Your argument is that you want the government to dictate how an ISP has to provide their service.
no you stupid fuck, the argument is that private entities should be barred for deciding whose data passes through their infrastructure without arbitrary impediment. removing net neutrality is enforcing rent-seeking by non-productive middlemen who are starting to see the end of profit growth from increasing service speed. it's the opposite of innovation.
>>752564506
>communities that have been able to do it
Why doesn't /b/ make this happen?
/b/ has done things in the past...
>>752564573
More likely they will just eliminate access to "controversial" sites. If they're you're only ISP they no more 4chan or anything else that isn't the PC web.
>>752564506
During the Aaron Swartz documentary, they showed a device they were building that would provide internet to people, for free. During a protest, a group of cops destroyed it. It costed thousands of dollars, and the project was abandoned. My first thought was corporate jews sending in their mob to destroy it.
>>752564670
A lot more productive than arguing about it and I think we can all agree it is better than our current isp neutral net or not.
>>752564595
look at the question assclown
they're asked if they support NN and answer like in your post
but look at the result when they're asked about netflix: it's the overwhelming majority, because they're fucking morons who only agree with the party line when they don't know exactly what it is
it's almost like YOU didn't read the poll results carefully, and are just looking to be deceptive
>>752564670
/b/ isn't some super army, bro. Sorry, but no one here is interested in doing shit anymore. 2015 was the end of /b/, where facebook users flooded this place and started making groups mimicking /b/.
Its sad... Once foreign countries see what happens here, it will spread to countries like NZ, Australia, UK, Canada, South Korea...
We need to send a stronger message!
>>752564929
>super army
It would take just a few lawfags to draw up a proposal we could send to our city halls.
>>752564859
No, sorry, you don't get to pick and choose the questions.
Asking someone "Do you think your ISP should throttle Netflix?" and interpreting their answer "No" as "This person is in favor of net neutrality" is bullshit.
Do I think my ISP should throttle Netflix? No, I don't think they should. But it's their service, and if they want to be a shitty ISP, I'll stop paying them.
You're moving the goalposts because you got blown the fuck out.
I linked you to the literal fucking question in the literal fucking poll that you literally fucking referenced to show you where you are literally fucking wrong, and now you're response is "okay but that question doesn't count".
Fuck off and never, ever reply to me again.
>>752565036
Make a thread. It will be completely ignored and 404d in minutes. It's impossible to plan shit anymore. there are too many fucking people
>>752565115
us loganonanuses have coordinated multiple websites, at least two youtube channels, and an entry over at those FAGGOTs at knowyourmaymay...
it's amazing what you can accomplish when you develop a touch of maturity
>>752565084
dude people like you shouldn't even be allowed to vote
both questions absolutely do count, because it shows what i said
when actually asked about an actual outcome of net neutrality, they support it
it's only when they're asked about the policy by name that support drops by 25% (to a mere majority, by the way)
if you don't understand the implications of that, you need to be permanently banned from the poll booth
"Do you support the Save the Puppies Act?" - Of course!
"Do you support the policy of executing 500 humans to save a puppy?" - OMG NO! THATS WHAT THAT POLICY IS????
>>752559925
>>752564929
Yea, when people started writing it as /b/ instead of just /b
>>752565352
So ask the question "Do you think a service provider should have rights to dictate how they provide their service?" and see what kind of results you get.
You are cherry-picking, and now you want to dodge the exact question you referenced.
This is the typical zealous behavior of your garbage grassroots campaign - discredit anything that doesn't conform with your argument because you're an emotional child who thinks this is a human-rights violation.
>>752565436
>log
Sup faggot
>>752555899
start massive neoluddite movement
>>752555142
Who is the nigger with the nice suit?
>>752565352
Libcuck detected. Muh Free Internet.. Fucking pussy, will relish the thought of you squirming and bleeting like the little beta lamb you are for the next 7 years
>>752565584
Depends on the service and your an idiot to think otherwise. Plenty of services are regulated for fucks sake.
>>752565584
exactly, you'd get more support because that's a leading question that doesn't ask about the outcome
if you asked "Do you think a service provider should be allowed to throttle or block a service that competes with one of their own?"
there's no way in hell you'd get the support that you would with your question, because they're not understanding the implications of what you're saying
when republicans are asked about the actual outcome of the policy, support changes.
asking about policy outcomes is not cherry picking.
and surprise surprise, you're lying once again by saying i think it's a human rights violation when i explicitly said it's not
>>752565352
>someone's opinion differs from mine, FUCK DEMOCRACY.
>>752565280
kek
>>752565746
enjoy paying much much more for the internet service that allows you to see that
>>752565880
the issue is the leaders of a party acting in direct opposition to their own constituents will and best interest.
that's wrong no matter what opinion or party
Did you make any campaign contributions? Hold fundraising events? If the answer is no, well...sorry.
You'll still vote for the guy, though. Don't worry, he'll appeal to some social cause, gay marriage, abortion, etc. that'll get you fired up then when he's elected do absolutely nothing but return favors to his donors.
>>752565975
no problem, not poorfag like you. See, I grew up learning to pay for what I use, not get others to pay for me, libcuck
>>752565746
stab yourself in the balls too just because people flinch? Moron.
>>752566156
actual rich people don't enjoy paying more than they should be for something.
>>752565854
So read the poll yourself and see that the questions are specifically targeted for a desired answer.
Now create a poll with the following questions:
"Comcast would like to provide you with a free, premium high-speed internet service for HD YouTube videos. Do you think the FCC should be allowed to prohibit them from doing so?"
"Do you think the US Government should control what content can or cannot be shown on the internet?"
"Do you believe the private US businesses need more government regulations?"
OH WOW BRO, MY POLL SHOWS THAT 90% OF REPUBLICANS DON'T SUPPORT NET NEUTRALITY.
u mad pissboi
>>752566295
>actual rich people don't enjoy paying more than they should be for something.
Why wouldn't someone with money use that money to reduce their financial burdens? It'll trickle down, don't you worry.
>>752566156
so fuck you i got mine is your reply?
no wonder america is swirling down the bowl.
>>752566295
how would you know poorfag? You need to get back to the library and use their wifi to browse porn sites
>>752566426
>It'll trickle down
never worked before, but it'll work this time for sure!
>the only corporations on the side of net neutrality are leftist tech companies who approve of "hate speech" censorship
So creeped out I didn't and won't support something I thought would be the biggest political issue ever for me when it finally arrived. But no, just the google logo is enough to lose me, to get me to look into what will really happen if you guys get any traction.
What will happen is the "neutral" rules will include authoro-leftist provisions that say companies like Google can decide something is "hate speech" and completely remove it, oh and absolutely destroy the person with legal actions they'll automatically lose to teams of overpaid lawyers and unsympathetic leftist judges who are literally pearl-clutching bigots that think you're a "skinhead", or at least they'll give a three star or better acting performance to the effect that's what they "believe".
Would you rather be put into the slow lane for not paying a company who only cares about money? Or would you rather be put into a literal fucking sorry box for having ILLEGAL OPINIONS? Chairman Pai is doing exactly what he should do; letting the only force that cares about freedom, the free market, protect freedom as it has always done.
Liberals acting like they understand or like freedom is hilarious at this point. Like 90% chance you guys lose this and I'm so glad. Get fucked, you're not getting your Chinese style censorship FUCK YOU.
>>752566156
Tell me your IP address so I can pay to throttle your connection you stupid fucking cunt.
>>752566583
You too. Give me your IP address so I can pay whatever company you use to throttle your fucking connection.
>>752566360
>"Comcast would like to provide you with a free, premium high-speed internet service for HD YouTube videos. Do you think the FCC should be allowed to prohibit them from doing so?"
See, you have to lie to ask a question that favors yourself. It wouldn't be free, YouTube would have to pay for such an arrangement.
>"Do you think the US Government should control what content can or cannot be shown on the internet?"
Nothing to do with net neutrality. Treating all content equal is not dictating what can and can not be shown
>"Do you believe the private US businesses need more government regulations?"
Again, that's not outcome-oriented. Ask about the actual outcome without a lie, and you still end up at supporting NN.
Don't you realize how sad it is how hard you have to troll and mislead to come up with a scenario that allows you to think a majority don't support NN?
>>752566384
Sup faggot
>>752566583
You're nuts.
No seriously seek help.
>>752566780
and it's even sadder you don't see anything wrong with even the most favorable question.. 'only a bare majority support this, so fuck them the minority view is absolutely correct and our leaders are damn fucking heroes for ignoring the majority view because it's not a majority by enough"
>>752566583
Are you slow in the head? You do realize that when you use basically any website ever you click a box that says "do you agree to the terms and conditions?" Even 4chan. In those terms and descriptions that your piss brain is too slow to read. it says they can't do whatever they fuck they want because it's their own website.
Of course they can take legal action against any dumbass that breaks their terms and conditions because it's a fucking contact you "sign"
Don't like it? Make your own website, or go somewhere else.
Jesus you people are stupid. Thinking "muh free speech" applies to websites that private companies own. You same stupid wads of pissy toilet paper are the same ones going around saying "freer the marker freer the people!!!".
>>752555142
>i believe
it aint about what you believe nigger, its about what we believe
Can't wait until POO IN LOO axes net neutrality and all these conservatards come to the realization that they allied with pajeet to kill off something put in place because of stupid shit like ISPs blocking traffic to bittorrent. How are you going to try and blame this one on the"libtards"?
>>752567196
>How are you going to try and blame this one on the"libtards"?
I don't know, but they will, they always do.
>>752566583
There isn't enough aluminum on the planet for the size of foil hat you must need. You do realize that hate speech censorship has nothing to do with net neutrality, right?
>>752567196
thats basically whats weirdest about all of this... these guys are arguing extremely hard for the right for ISPs to be able to make the internet more expensive and shittier, and slower for all but the largest sites
but voting against their own self interests is what conservatives do
>>752555142
Welcome to politics 101.
They don't give a fuck about you or what you want, if you're not beating down their door with superpac full of dollars.
Everything is donor protection. Money is speech, corporations are people, corruption isn't corruption if the supreme court legalizes it, and Scalia did, so you can all fucking rot.
>>752568110
maybe some good will come from this, like deadbart, stormfront and their likes will get wiped off the internet.
Of course then they'll shriek about a liberal conspiracy to censor the internet and give you a blank stare when you tell them Pai and Trump let them do that by gutting NN.
>>752568110
"god damn government standing in the way of a monopolies god given right to charge me more money for shittier service! fuck off government they got the right to fuck me!"
Fun facts, all my poltards recieve identical replies. Like copypasta of the same reply. Writing senators does nothing.
>>752555866
You are a shill with an image like that. What creepy double speak.
>>752568524
you're doing it wrong
writing senators is highly effective, you just forgot to include the check for buckets of bribe mon... er, "campaign contributions"
>>752555142
My dad wrote to our senator and got the same thing. he was so pissed.
>>752568820
dunno what he was expecting.
they're going to do as their owners told them to do, and the voters aren't their owners.
>>752566583
>letting the only force that cares about freedom, the free market, protect freedom as it has always done.
have fun when you loose your job because some Chinese child will do it for 95% less than what you make
