What is /b/'s response to Socialism?
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What is /b/'s response to Socialism?
>>752534014
Dumb as fuck
socialism rocks!
>>752534076
Do you even know what Socialism is?
>>752534014
National Socialism is the solution, the final solution.
>>752534124
*dabs*
it works
>>752534174
No, it's not.
>>752534218
Only when there is good leaders.
Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act.. all are socialist policies. Actually the majority of things we pay for in this country can be constituted as socialism. However America's political juggernaught is of course Captialism which is now in a post Capitalistic spiral where Marxism/ Socialism/ Communism would be the only next step based on my above average knowledge of political philosophies of the world.
>>752534014
Embrace it
>>752534152
socialism is where stalan killed all of his people using no food tactics and then everyone hated him
socialisnm doesnt work you fucking retard lol
>>752534332
Seems plausible.
>>752534014
good in moderation but no one likes a wellfare state except those who control it
>>752534014
it doesn't work do to self interest
>>752534399
No, you're retarted. You cant spell for shit. and Stalin was a lunatic.
>>752534332
>political philosophy that has resulted in the death of up to 100 million people
>muh superior knowledge
At least fascists never say "that wasn't real fascism".
>>752534618
There have been tons of bad leaders in history.
>>752534271
Er, it is.
>>752534548
your so dumb
if it worked we wouold be using it right now stupid
but we arent huh
>>752534744
Can you even read English?
And Socialism has a bad reputation because of greedy people.
>>752534618
Based on the struggles of the working class and their disconnection from their work and ultimate worth in life.. eventually a revolution/revolt will occur which will morph into a form of socialism where the working class takes back their land and production for the people. However as mentioned this has never worked out the best in practice, the concept is pretty sound and its inevitability. Capitalism is not sustainable sorry /b
>>752534332
>Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act.. all are socialist policies
they would have been socialist policies in 1800s but now they are just common sense
https://youtu.be/dljcxoADUN0
>>752534899
Socialism is a failed system it will not ever work nor will it ever be implemented into the United States.
>>752535085
Because Socialism is good if it's done right. i.e. not Russia, Not Germany
I'm sceptical if 90% of /b/'s US posters even know what socialism is.
while using a telephone fiber network built by the government, taking a shit into the government-constructed sewer system, and having been (supposedly) educated in a state-funded school...
>>752535085
They're "common sense" because you don't have any idea what personal responsibility is.
>>752534618
Capitalism has killed way more people and you fucking know it.
All the wars and Colonial endeavors for monetary gain have cause untold death and suffering.
>>752535202
Do you even know what Socialism is?
>>752534985
>Capitalism is not sustainable
not if you dont factor in the state as an expression of class society. preserving capitalism and private property is its main duty and it regulates capitalism from destroying itself
>>752534271
Yes it is conservikike
Socialism is where workers own the means of production.
Communism:
Economic and social system in which all (or nearly all) property and resources are collectively owned by a classless society.
Social Democracy: economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions. Bernie sanders falls under this.
>>752534985
Corporatism is not sustainable. A true free market can facilitate the freedom to the worker you wish for without the inherent slavery and theft that socialism brings. Das Capital is a dreadful study on economics like ignoring the place of demand in 'supply & demand'.
>>752535556
What the hell does conservikike mean?
>>752535257
socialism isnt public infrastructure, its an economy and society entirely ruled by the working class.
>>752535365
Fuck off you scumfuck progressive fuckwit. Probably a fucking nigger or a kike.
>>752535343
>personal responsibility
explain it to me then but only if you are willing to listen to me explain social responsibility
>>752535738
Shut up you nonentity. You're going around and spewing memes as if they are factual, get out of here. Absolute cretin.
>>752535652
I fall under Social Democracy too, but I didn't want to say because people get more pissed off when they hear the word Socialism by itself.
It's by far the most evil and easily corruptible system of government ever devised, and it has killed hundreds of millions of people in the last century. It'll totally work this next time guise, I promise.
>>752534014
Socialism works great, until you run out of other people's money.
>>752535930
Do you even know what Socialism is?
Socialism
Works until you run out of other people’s money to spend.
Seems millennials and cunts think they’re woke if they discuss it
>>752535930
And capitalism has killed more....
What is this meme?
>>752535738
And you're fighting wars you can't win.
>>752535922
Says the pea-brained faggot. Suck more nigger cock so you're more full of shit. You sub-human cunt.
>>752536054
o'brien fell hard after DS9 ended.
>>752535698
>place of demand in 'supply & demand'.
actually deals with supply and demand but i guess you havent read it
>>752535365
Over a much longer time frame in a lot more of the world than socialism has managed, if socialism was global for a longer period of time then the death toll would be greater. Furthermore colonialism is not capitalism it's still state control of the lands and means of production with a little of it going to private elites, not a free market.
>>752535418
>>752535698
Nice to see some heavy thinkers on here. Great points however the sustainability I am alluding to is the great fundamental differences of Democracy and Capitalism when interwoven as one, it will unravel as one. (Will they say the great Anon minds on B envisioned the next great society?) ehh anyways... The populace believes we are in control through the votes we place every year, two or four... however Capitalism is driven by corporations which are driven by profit, at any cost even destruction of our nation, profit reigns above Jesus himself. The Board of Directors control the corporations and the shareholders of those corporations control the votes the Boards make. If essentially business is the only driving factor of commerce, and the richer you are the more shares/votes you possess that is going to crash into the weak minded Joe who believes the guy hes voting for is actually going to help him.
>>752536187
How do we know you're not a nigger or kike?
>>752534014
Capitalism
>>752536359
im more of a heavy drinker but i was involved in some serious marxism-leninism when i was a teen
>>752536187
You are devoid of all rationality. Not a modicum of civility or shrewdness resides within the dead mass inhabiting your head. Stop speaking and stop writing; you are an insult in human form.
>>752534014
only gud if it's national
>>752536217
I have, it's a great counter point to Keynesian economics. Which is why it fails because Keynesian economics is complete bullshit. I don't think it acknowledged the place that demand has in a free market adequately and assumes supply can be maintained to outpace demand which it can't for all supplies. It also tramples on any concept of individual rights for the good of society whilst forgetting that a society is a group of individuals, that dichotomy is one of the many reasons it isn't a maintainable system prone to abuse.
Fuck poor people
>>752536960
You sound like Trump.
>>752534014
>>752534152
>>752535652
>>752537112
You still haven't answered my question.
>>752537217
Sorry, socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
tl;dr socialism is a giant piece of shit
>>752537216
Am I meant to be beholding to Lenin's worldview?
Because I'm not.
>>752537409
And what's wrong with that?
>>752537487
>regulated by the community as a whole.
>community
Gee, I wonder where the word "communism" comes from?
>>752537487
>And what's wrong with that?
see>>752537112
>>752537653
If you wonder where it comes from, you must be retarded because you cant put 2 and 2 together.
>>752536798
>Keynesian economics is complete bullshit
except it was somewhat successfully applied
to stabilize capitalism after the great depression. the demand in a free capitalist market is as marx points out proportional to the wages of the workers. supply and demand just one way of measuring values in an economy, they are not as some people think "rules of how the economy works". as for society vs individuals, marxism is very collectivistic but marx himself wasnt
>>752534014
Bring it! The rich have socialism already in massive tax rebates for corporations. Then they tell us its a bad thing because it will lead to, gasp, tyranny and inequality. But more likely it would mean a more equal distribution of the wealth. More resources for working people. Any ideology that the corporate media spend so much time attacking has got to be worth thinking about.
>>752534014
Confused retardation
>>752536359
Things like shareholders and boards are a result of government trying to regulate free markets. Whilst shareholders may have a place in a free market they belong more in an area of providing a loan in return for a share of the profits, not as some sort of God that the board bow to. I agree about the heavy thinkers, it's a relief to see some socialists around these days thinking of more than 'hur-dur muh free stuff', unfortunately that's how a lot of people will approach socialism. From my perspective a more libertarian society can afford the space for people to choose to either live communally or break out in their own, whilst not allowing for a corrupt governing body to just ruin shit for everyone.
>>752536752
Yep, that's how I got here too
Venezuela
>>752534014
it's shit.
>>752537217
I'm pretty sure it speaks for itself: you cannot sustain a country that will be as advanced as others when you have a failing reward system.
People need to be motivated by something, anything, in order to work more than just to survive.
Whatever you may think, pure capitalism pushes people to find more ingenious ways to make money, and that often means innovation. Of could, pure capitalism is stupid as shit and has problem of its own, hence why you can't have a sustained system.
>>752537697
Oh really because it seems like Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, Ireland, and the Netherlands are doing fine.
>>752538094
66% of Venezuela's economy is private.
>>752534014
only stupid people still argue about it like it's not already happening
>>752538197
Who the fuck wants to be any of those shitholes?
>>752537653
hard lines for small minds
>>752538168
What about if you have good leaders?
>>752538288
Shitholes?
>>752534014
>What is /b/'s response to Socialism?
We fap to it.
>>752534332
In my country there are 26 million people. The labour force is 12 million. The people who can vote outnumber the people who have to work and pay tax. The people who don't pay tax want more benefits so they tax the people who work more.
Tell me how this is moral? Tell me how you justify the slavery of the working class to keep your socialist policies running
>>752538379
exactly, maybe one day you'll be smart enough to understand basic economics
>>752538288
>>752534332
>Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act
Yeah those programs are going broke so thanks for proving the point that socialism doesn't work
>>752536059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6nMGjGLFsA
Controlled economies don't count. Socialism kills by direct policy of death and class starvation, imprisonment and purges. Capitalism kills through the individual being too pathetic to compete in the market. Individuals who can't compete can get better - usually before death. We built a safety net for those people long ago.
>>752537856
I'd disagree there, short term Keynes ideas work out but more bailouts and state investment end up being required until it turns in to behemoth that leads to further recessions/depressions. On Marx/Marxism and individuality I suspect this would be due to a view from Marx that he's an individual amongst sheep, which is just my guess and not something I can solidly back up, I think that lead to his approach of treating a group of individuals as a singular social unit. >>752538391
It's when you inevitably get bad leaders that's the problem
Fucking american cyka blyat.
ИДИTE HAХУЙ! УEБКИ EБAHЫE! БЛЯTЬ!
Every type of government sucks ass.
Anarchism is probably the best in theory, you could just localize different governments in the same country. At least that way you have a choice what kind of rule you want. If you want to live in a monarchy or a theocracy, in an anarchist state you can.
However, the issue I can't see the solution to is, how the hell do you solve civil disputes? Say you go to the hospital in an anarchist state. Perhaps you have insurance, doesn't really matter. The hospital takes one of your kidneys without consent. How do you sue the hospital unless you both acknowledge a higher authority?
I think the best type of government theoretically might be a dictatorship. You simply need the correct dictator. Someone that values freedom and low taxes. It's the most efficient, there's no bureaucracy.
But.. power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So back we are to democracy and once you concede democracy, you need social programs.
So.. Socialism, in spite of how incredibly inefficient it is, it might just be a necessary evil for civilization to work.
>>752538288
and this >>752538762 proves my point
how's America looking now
>>752537958
selling shares is a simply a way of raising funds in exchange for a share rather than interest, its not invented by governments. boards are appointed by shareholders, not governments. mu approach to socialism is that of studying economics and class warfare but the goal is still 'hur-dur muh free stuff'
>>752538762
wew, thank god I'm going to be alive when my body want's to die. sounds like fun
>>752539337
Your body doesn't want to die of malnutrition and disease you stupid fuckstain
>>752539203
>+/-10 years at the very end of your life.
topkek have fun with that
>>752539438
Ten years is a long time.
>>752539537
like I said, at the end of your life
honestly, who fucking cares at that point
ANIME = RUSSIA
>>752538232
it's like you idiots think capitalism = no government and anarchy and socialism = every government service that's ever existed. Government has a role in capitalism - it empowers the market. Without defended laneways the spice trader can't get to market. This is fine.
>>752539665
Exactly, so why are you still arguing about it?
>>752536029
A stepping stone to communism, his point is valid, just not in the way he understands it. His heart is in the right place. Let him learn.
Socialism is unsustainable
>>752539759
>>752539796
Actually Communism is the state monopoly and socialism is the anarchist future with no government and everybody gets magic money and magic services. Both systems are retarded.
>>752539936
All of the countries mentioned are free market economies that love big business.
>>752539894
At least you're smart enough to avoid my trap.
It's a total goatfuck
>>752540098
Иди нaхyй!
>>752540006
Which is why I prefer Social Democracy
>>752540193
>>752540193
No, you prefer rich capitalist countries. You can't just put the word social in front of something and make it socialism. Just like DPRK stands for Democratic People's Republic of Korea when there's no democracy, it's ruled by an aristocracy of elites and there's no representation in their "republic"
>>752539078
keynes economic ideas do work out in the short term but thats the only way they are fully implemented. there are not supposed to be any bailouts once the economy is runing "itself" state investments as infrastructure or defense do cost a lot but they can be used as a way to stimulate the rest of the economy and covering the costs with increased taxes (volume, not %)
>>752540369
They technically have elections, and they're a joke, you can only vote for one person, and they just use that to keep track of their population.
>>752540430
>Bernie Sanders falls under this
fucking kek, we know
>>752539944
actually communism is stateless classless non-society with no property (not private or public), no taxes no wages no police. its delicious
>>752540689
And what's the controversy with Bernie Sanders?
>>752534014
more please
>>752540840
He's a communist, and he'll always been a communist.
>>752535556
you are not smart
>>752535406
Yes I do, thanks.
>>752535726
youre thinking communism
>>752541142
Ok tell me what it is then?
>>752534399
>>752534744
>>752535202
>>752541142
OMG you're dumb.
That's because real socialism has never actually been tried anywhere in the world yet you stupid fucking republiKKKan Nazi piece of shit. I bet you watch Bill O'Reilly
>>752540638
all communist countries had/have elections with only two parties or more commonly one party and independent candidates. nk actually has three parties but they are all part of the same umbrella-party
>>752541225
I meant to type a period.
>>752541247
triggered libfag detected
>>752534014
Some forms of it are good. Depends on the country though. The form that works in one country may not work in another.
>>752534744
we are using it now. in fact, it is used in the happiest countries on the planet
>>752541145
no, im thinking of socialism. communism is >>752540737
>>752541247
>>752540982
He meant Counter-Revolution and Counter-Terrorist activities.
>>752537216
I thought it was other way round?
>>752534014
The man in this picture is dumber than an entire plantation of cotton picking niggers.
>>752541416
Sure he did
>>752535652
>Bernie sanders falls under this.
true. he claims he is a democratic socialist, but he is obviously a social democrat
>>752534399
Is this ironic?
>>752541548
nice b8 m8, guaranteed reblies
>>752534014
>>752534399
you know that stalin was and still is popular now in russia, right? The US wasn't the first to praise stupidity.
>>752541247
>10 rubles have been deposited into your account
>>752541628
But surely not a social social, and not a democrat social. But maybe a democrat democrat, and possibly a demosocial since were just making up different words now for socialism.
>>752541689
I was being serious :>
>>752538168
in capitalist america, people work 40 hours a week and still cant afford rent/food. THAT is bullshit. We need social programs to either make rent cheaper, or make wages higher. you pay for this by taxing those who make obscene amounts of money
>>752541620
Yes, he did.
>>752536227
>not real capitalism
>>752540982
there are real communists in the us and bernie is not one of them. ask them. he ran for mayor with a leftist platform and rhetoric and it amused a lot of people but only idiots really believe that hes a commie
>>752541941
>you pay for this by taxing those who make any amount of money
ftfy
>>752537216
Nice out-of-context quote.
>>752542088
>but only idiots really believe that hes a commie
Is that how you argue? Well only retards think he isn't. See what I did there?
>>752541791
ssshhhh! dont mess this up!
>>752538683
>muh special objective perfect kind of basic economics
>>752541941
We need to educate people about government better and not have the power be so divided, and elect a GOOD president.
>>752539016
>this is your brain on pure ideology
>>752542185
Sounds like something an idiot would say.
>>752541247
>supports socialism
>calls somebody a nazi
>doesn’t know that the nazi’s were socilaists.
Nazi stands for the National socialist party. Congradulations you are what you hate and you don’t even know it.
Welcome to /b/ shill
https://youtu.be/YdTKfX3pRmw
>>752542511
That's the point I was making about your post newfriend
>>752542538
Shrekt
>>752534014
Leftists have monopoly on Socialism.It's time for the Right to change that.Marx didn't invented it he just took concept that already existed before him.
>>752542185
yes, you make a good point, i might be a retard but bernie is still not a commie. he has made it easy for his opponents to accuse him and label him, a ghost of communism of some sort, but he is just a left-leaning populist, real communists would send him to gulag if they could
>>752542710
No, I meant your post.
>>752542461
And this is your brain on drugs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQsQbuNWmnE
>>752534014
>>752542867
>>752534076
>>752534271
>>752534530
Let me red pill you guys a bit. Take a look at Americas military. You join it, you are provided a job, training, schooling, housing, retirement, ect....that in its self is socialism. The government is providing almost every aspect in life for you. So for Americans to be so against the socialized concept of governing, they don't even realize they are living under it. Don't get hung up on societal concepts of government and believe this is better then that cause it's all a form of control either way.
I foresee the future to turn into robot workers taking jobs away from the people and the people being put on universal basic income. While the company's who use the robots will be paying our taxes, we will be able to sit home and collect the paycheck. Can you imagine the implications here?
>>752543090
Exactly.
>>752542383
is that picture supposed to be against socialism or what? agreeing with mt isnt my thing so im guessing its for promoting socialism?
>>752543090
>I imagine a future were I don’t have to do anything and somebody else gives me a paycheck
SOCIALISM THE MOVVVIIIEEEE coming to a theater near you in your local gentrificated downtown neighborhood!!1!1!!!2!!
>>752543372
Kek
>>752534014
There are two definitions of socialism just like two unit systems(mertic and retarded). So, for most of the world socialism is shity economical system that fails evry time. For USA it is not being entusiastic about corporations fucking you in the ass.
Real socialism hasn't been used and can't exist because it fails to account for the failure of mankind; ergo, it is impossible to enact it the real world. Now how about you start thinking about government systems that are actually worth a damn.
>>752543791
Got eemmm
>>752534014
Hey OP, thanks for asking, mate. In my opinion the idea behind socialism is very unique and wonderful, imagine a world where you can get medical care, education. Where you have the power to influence governmental decisions. Where you don't have to worry, in case you lose your work.
Unfortunately the world hasn't seen a nice implementation of socialism, instead everything communistic/socialistic turned in a dictatorship, where people couldn't express themselves freely. And it's a pity, I myself sincerely believe that there is a way to have communism/socialism around, without usurpation, discrimination and with legal weed.
Thank you for your attention, sir. Have a great day!
ah! marcha con mi! A un grande dia.. viva la revolucion!
>>752543791
Oh, so IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM, AGAIN?!
You are fighting for your slavery.
>>752543933
What about Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, Ireland, and the Netherlands?
>>752543090
>Take a look at Americas military.
>that in its self is socialism
it most certainly is not
its not capitalism either but it is a major component of the state that protects capitalism with that same military. it is not a productive organisation but they do consume a lot of goods from the private sector and have a great impact on the economy. if the government owned factories that made guns for the military, that would be closer to socialism. training, schooling and retirement does not make it socialism, its just a type of wage
>>752543372
Well yea this sort of thing happens already, minus the robots. You can still work and collect, if you can find a job that isn't being done by robots. The implications here is to get rid of the poor, poverty. Everybody has their taxes paid and some. You'll have extra money to buy new cars and live in better places. Own homes. But shit you don't need and the economy will fucking explode with fuck tone of wealth. Now. Go back inside your head and think of the implications thoroughly and come back and express your opinion on what the future might be like. Or are you so brainwashed and indoctrinated that you still believe all the garbage you learned in school. You probably think you need the government to survive and that your vote actually matters in an election.
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>>752544092
What about the fact that they're training people to run in front of bullets?
>>752544034
I'm not advocating for socialism. In fact I'm against it and state that the supposed true socialism is a myth that can't actually exist
>>752544092
You literally just defined and socialized form of life. Military. How can you not see it?
I want more of it
>>752544270
Too much is bad.
>>752544092
Also, government officials do own stocks in those companies that make at toys for the military. Money is to be made during times of war. That why America is alway at war and selling weapons to both sides of a conflict. Do you really not see how it is socialized? If you don't then you are fully indoctrinated my friend, or in the military. The truth can be rather jolting sometimes.
>>752544349
Nah I think some more would be just fine. Hell let's be one step away from communism for all I care
>>752544092
It's providing everything for them. Wow you're dumb. Sugar coat it how you want
Has anybody ever thought of the fact that socilaism cannot exist on a large scale without capitalism. Socialism can only work in a large society when there is another equally large capitalistic society to leech off of. Sure people in the socilaist country may be happy for the first few years it is implemented but exports are minimal. Imports are huge. The goods they consume and need to live a comfortable lifestyle was all made by capitalists.
Imagine if you will for a moment a world completly void of capitalism. 99.99 perfect of us would starve if not more and they last .01 would live in the forrest for a couple years before they died of an infection.
Now to be fair imagine a world that is void of socilaistic policies as well. It would be a brutal hard life but alot more people would be alive and be more happy then socialism. They point i’m going to end with is that both system intermeshed are necessary for a comfortable life. Yet. The balance is somewhere around 90% capitalistic and 10% socialistic.
Deal with it.
A full on socialist system would be the end of the modern world as we know it. especially if in were implemented by the lazy fucks that want it right now because of da free gibs me dats.
Deal with it you lazy fucks.
On a final note. Get a job faggots
Also I believe that all currencies should not be based off the US currency.
>>752539172
We need a neural network to reign upon us all
>>752534332
All bs "mommy state" programs.
The reality is that the government does not have a magic gold mine under Washington DC. It has no money until it first takes it away from you and me. It can not give us money - only take from one pocket and put less back in a different pocket.
>>752544074
They're wonderful
>>752544787
Good I'm glad you agree.
>>752544787
All leeching off the USA. How many aircraft carriers and ICBMs does Canada have? They arent paying enough for their own defense.
Heres something you will never have being a socialist
>>752545019
They don't need tons of defense, they don't stick their noses in other countries business like the US does.
>>752545034
Not if we get the state to forcibily take it from you and destroy all of your incentive to produce goods that benefit society
>>752544592
Listen man. Money isn't real, religion isn't real, government isn't real. These are concepts to do one thing and one thing only. Keep people dumb and in check. All that jibber jabber you just spewed was years of your brain being too full of propaganda that you actual think you know anything of reality. Not the monopoly game reality everyone lives in but the real reality. Our purpose is not to work and pay taxes our entire lives then die. That's sad.
>>752544074
This are not socialist countries. Universal helthcare, free education, retaierment system, this is not socialism it is comon sense. This countries have free market economies. In USA you have corporate oligarchy and you are pumped with propaganda that enything else that this abomination is "omg socialism". The lefty wing retards don't help either. Without safety net of social security systems general population become poor ad uneducated and is easly tricked by populists who then install socialism/fasism/whatever-ism and shit realy hits the fan.
>>752545200
XD fuckin commie kys
>>752534014
american kids are really stupid and have no idea what socialism is. about 150million ppl died, everywhere they tried it...
the real red pill
>>752534014
Socialism has never worked, and it will never work. It's based on the false assumption that a utopia can exist, that people in general can live beyond corruption and create a system where direct personal interest does not come before the good of all. This will never happen. People simply cannot be that way in groups over a couple thousand.
Every attempt at socialism has ended in vast corruption and the deaths of millions of people. Every single time. So just... no. Socialism is a complete failure.
>inb4 hur dur, real socialism has never been attempted!
Your personal version of socialism would play out just the same. To implement it, you would need to be a dictator. And we know how it goes from there...
>inb4 but muh Scandinavia is socialist!
No. Scandanavian countries are capitalist, with strong social welfare programs. No one in those countries makes a claim to any form of socialism.
>inb4 but muh socialism exists in all these capitalist countries! Public roads! Social Security!!1!!!11!!1!
Those are classified as social/public welfare. These things have existed in different forms for literally thousands of years before the socialist philosophy existed. Rome had publicly funded roads, public baths. Every society has provided public protections (law enforcement, fire management) and most have had societal support for the poor, usually through religion, historically.
Disgusting
>>752545202
Conspiracy theory level shit right here
>>752545302
Sugarcoat it all you want, but you can still taste the bitter reality (at least for you), It's Democratic Socialism.
Btw where are you from?
>>752544219
i dont really think they are training them to do that. unless they are training them to run really really fast
>>752544225
any organisation or a socialized form of life, as you put it, is not the same as socialism. soldiers are not economically producing anything, they do not own or rule their organisation, they are just defending the state with their lives
>>752545426
You would have to have something to eat in order to be able to take a pill.
>>752545472
>>752538197
It's called Democratic Socialism.
>>752534332
lol idiot.
because something is 'social' doesnt mean it is 'socialist'. That is like saying community is the same as communism.
The social security and care stuff you mention have nothing to do with socialism (which is a political doctrine based on all power to the state and having no personal possessions ).
pic related, people dying in the streets because of socialism (Holomodor)
>>752538197
Nobody said it fails instantly bud.
>>752534014
We live in a Socialist/Capitalist country. Take exemptions for your children on your taxes? Deduct your mortgage interest? Deduct your charitable giving? Congrats, these are socialist concepts. Government injecting itself into economic models creates inefficiencies that are counter to capitalistic practice. But as a country, we accept this because we prefer people to own homes, have children and donate money.
>>752534014
>punish success
>reward failure
Literally, exactly what it is.
>>752534332
>Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act
>all are socialist policies
No. Those are social welfare programs. Social welfare != socialism.
Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production. It's that fucking simple. Any other definition is incorrect. And if the economic policy does not support this end, it is not a socialist economic policy.
These policies fit into Social welfare, sot socialism:
>Social Welfare
organized public or private social services for the assistance of disadvantaged groups
>>752536054
typical socialist
>>752534014
I have no objection to a moderate amount of public social provision, so that the disabled and displaced workers can live independently.
The free market has many advantages, but built-in boom-bust cycles and market disruptions should be acknowledged and we should mitigate against them.
