Guns don't kill people; illegal Mexican immigrants kill people. Prove me wrong
>>752319375
Youre right op. But where did they get those guns? Was it the us government?
>>752319500
idk where they got/get them. myriad sources no doubt
>>752319585
>>752319500
the vast majority of those myriad sources being illegal
>>752319648
I do recall obama giving them guns to try and "track" them down.
>>752319375
White Americans kill people Hmmmm
>>752319699
Barry and Eric had novel ideas about all kinds of things.
Keep the gets coming
Other countries with guns don't have so many problems with mass shootings. It's Americans that are the problem.
We should have more guns, to kill all the Americans
>>752319707
sure, of course. you're getting the hang of it Anon
>>752319823
>We should have more guns,
agreed
> to kill all the Americans
Go ahead and organize and make an effort. I encourage it. Rounding your lot up for extermination would be ideal
>>752319823
Those mass shootings are live training exercises. But they wont tell you that on the news. They want good ratings
>>752319375
>itt white not being able to own to killing children at school with legally obtained guns.
>>752319968
go away alex
>>752320159
your post is not only a non-sequitur, it makes absolutely no sense. Congratulations.
>>752320219
You guys are afraid of the truth. And thays why theyll always get away with these things
Guns don't kill people, people who say "guns don't kill people, people kill people" kill people. With guns.
>>752320529
probably some proportion; agreed. presumably you're not stupid enough to believe that guns are the problem....
>>752319375
Isnt it technically the bullet that kills people?
>>752320295
>>752320378
>Itt white poeple shoot children at schools with legally obtained fire arms ,but blame everything on mexico.
monkeys kill people too... if they have a gun, so maybe the gun is the problem
>>752320752
No, it's the acceleration...like radiation
>>752320866
No no, we blame the jews
>>752319375
This "argument" is invalid because it starts with the false premise that gun control means banning all guns.
It's also just plain low quality bait. I don't have a pic of bait this poor in quality so you'll just have to imagine it.
>>752320938
ohhh boy this meme again.
>>752320880
why not a fork?
>ban forks to mitigate monkey murders
>>752321118
you're incredibly naive, incredibly stupid, or both.
typical democrat voter
>>752321189
dat alliteration doe
>>752319375
defending a life and using a gun for it, is a flawed logic in itself. defending yourself in a situation means defending yourself with the necessary force, but nothing further. walking around and shooting someone with a gun is maxed out to the extreme. the possibility to kill someone snatching a purse or for drunk hollaing at your gf is not necessary but forced to the exreme.
>defending yourself with a gun = deadly force aka murder =/= defending
>if you have to rely on a gun to defend yourself means you are a bitch ass nigga without common sence and gay thoughts for gunblazing cowboys
>you are the walking, talking fanfiction of the NRA
>living in somalia as a pirat
>>752321561
>defending a life and using a gun for it, is a flawed logic in itself
stopped reading after this. shit tier bait
>>752321561
That's shit logic that assumes its own conclusion.
>i have a premise
>an argument based on that premise tends to support that premise
>therefore my premise is true!
And dumb faggots like this think they're the smart ones...
>>752321675
But if he throws enough bait in the water he will get plenty of bites.
Poor fool, probably a community college stem major indoctrinated by the left. Thinking he has logic and reason on his side because he passed a few basic math and physics classes.
>>752321675
>>752321709
>>752322090
and that´s why america has more gun violence than any other first world country.
>stopped reading
>making assumptions
>calling someone uneducated based on subjectiv thoughts
...must be the mexicans
>>752321561
How can an 80 year old defend himself against a 25 year old without a gun? How can some wimpy manlet like you defend himself against Tyrone Niggercock?
>>752322949
majority of gun violence is committed by the disenfranchised for the purposes of making money through crime, to solve this issue we need to legalize drugs, increase funding for addiction treatment/care and get young kids in these situations into programs that give them a chance to get out of their shitty situation
>>752323237
You fuck right off with your logic, sir.
>>752323237
Sure buddy. Lets just do things that make sense. Stop trying to solve problems and just agree with my opinions that lack any empirical evidence.
>>752319375
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?sort=desc&order=%23%20Killed
>>752323237
Actually, the vast majority of "gun violence" in the US is self-inflicted for purposes of suicide.
>>752319375
>Black-on-Black crime is committed by Mexican immigrants
>>752319375
>Industries don't do modern goods
>cars don't get you places
>telephones don't make you capable to avoid waiting days for a letter for simple things
I really don't understand people make that statement like op
>>752319375
Unless you're a nigger, then it's most likely another nigger will kill you
>>752319375
I wanna go to a disco prom at sunday...
streamable.com/8v90t
>>752325058
i'm not surprised that you don't understand that humans operate all of those technologies and make decisions to use them. i'd love to pick up a telephone receiver and beat you to death with it
>>752325058
incidentally, what third world shit hole do you come from?
>>752319375
Should we blame condom manufacturer for aids too? Theyre not doing a good job in making peoole use them
>>752325565
Another logic win
>>752319699
Checked and kekd. Fast and Furious was a shitshow and the whole world knows. I have European coworkers who asked me aboutit and I had no good answers.
>>752325565
>>752325058
>>752322949
>>752325537
Incidentally, do you really believe you can actually think weapon itself are not dangerous?
>>752325817
do you honestly believe anything can't be used as a weapon?
buy an english grammar book please
>>752319375
I'm for gun ownership, I just think we need more mental illness checks to hopefully reduce the suicide success rate.
If someone has to go the extra mile and offs themselves, they've earned it.
But suicide should be a test that doesn't allow calculators dammit, it's ruining the art.
>>752319823
We've doubled the number of guns in circulation in the last twenty years. The murder rate is nearing all time lows.
Your idea doesn't seem to be working.
>>752320529
No, it's mostly black and hispanic gangbangers. You'll find that gun rights advocates, on average, are generally law abiding.
>>752326443
>America is the only country where shootings regularly happen
>Currently one every week or so
>"We've doubled the number of guns in circulation in the last twenty years"
Excuse me sir
>>752326003
There are half a billion unregistered guns currently in circulation in the US. You are literally doing nothing but wasting everyone's time and money to accomplish nothing.
>>752321561
>implying killing someone who's trying to kill you is not necessary force
>implying im not an disabled/elderly person without the natural means to defend myself
>implying bullets are magical instakill projectiles
Are you retarded?
>>752326664
There aren't mass shootings every week. When you have to resort to hyperbole to try to make your point, you should realize that you're a fucking halfwit.
>>752319375
If I can own a gun, everyone can own a gun.
I'd rather not have a gun and have to defend myself against someone without a gun,
than to have a gun but then have to defend myself against someone else with a gun.
>>752326988
Then you're retarded.
Studies have shown that defending yourself with a gun results in fewer injuries and deaths than any other method.
>>752327056
Reality shows that you're infinitely more likely to die in countries with American-style gun laws.
>>752327138
False.
>>752326988
No one wins in a knife fight, anon...
>>752321321
atleast try.
>>752319375
I have nothing against owning guns. My problem is the ease and extent to which mentally unstable people can aquire them.
>>752327243
I don't want people to be able to walk around with knives either
>>752323139
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
Over 14k dead this year, what an utterly pathetic goverment you have.
>>752327316
SOCIALIST COMMUNIST NAZI REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>752327238
Tons. You chimps never read it.
80% of all violent crime is gang related. Of the 8,000 or so gun murders, that leaves under 2,000 that aren't black and hispanic gangbangers killing each other for sport in the ghetto where guns are generally illegal.
Most of the rest of those are illegal aliens and the occasional liberal snapping and going on a shooting spree.
Less than 2,000 murders a year, in a nation of 350 million people. It is literally nothing.
>>752327323
Um it doesn't actually sound like you think people should have the chance ro defend themselves. Can't walk around with guns, knives, what about cricket bats? Rolls of coins?
OP, it's essentially a statistical argument.
If you care about innocent life, then do the math.
Which number is greater?
Innocent people killed by guns in accidents, mass shootings, murders, etc.
or
Innocent people who've had their lives protected by a gun owner who was not a cop.
If you *really* care about innocent lives you go to the scenario which protects the most innocent lives. That's scenario #1.
>>752327316
Well get over it. There are half a billion unregistered guns in the United States.
There is quite literally nothing you can do to stop someone in the US from arming themselves.
>>752319375
>>752327467
100% of your figures are made up
Also liberals going on a killing spree? that's fucking rich.
>>752327527
Incorrect. According to the CDC, defensive gun use occurs several orders of magnitude more often than murder.
>>752327467
Could be because you chimps never post it and just expect people to take your word for it.
In your case for example 8,000 gun murders, doesn't necessarily mean 8,000 gun deaths.
>>752327527
For example, do you think the number of people saved by guns outpaces the number of people who were killed in vegas this year? I doubt it. And that's ignoring every other murder that took place.
>>752327467
This. The number itself, even skewed, is laughably pathetic.
If people actually gave a shit about the number of lives lost anyways, they'd be banning cars, tobacco, fast food, drugs, ect.
>>752327524
If you want to carry a stack of coins to feel safe, then go ahead. The mere fact that murder weapons aren't in active circulation should help as well.
>>752327614
The CDC doesn't run numbers on guns (they're literally not allowed to by law, thanks NRA) so I have to wonder where you're getting your numbers from.
>>752319375
what if I proved you right instead?
>>752321561
>implying killing someone who is stealing a purse is bad
It was his own decision to steal
>>752327605
Sorry, when you aren't a libtard, you don't have to make up figures.
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/FedCrimes/story?id=6773423
>>752327629
That's because only irrational retards include suicide and defensive gun use in their gun death statistics.
>>752327542
I am. As I said, owning guns is fine. Have an arsenal. Just wish we could stop the crazies from getting them or weed them out before they go postal.
>>752327605
>James Hodgkinson
>Stephen Paddock
I can name more
>>752327323
>>752327393
Samebong?
What do you call a britfag who post repeatedly?
>>752327754
You're quite simply lying at this point.
They did a study on gun violence in 2013 after an Obama executive order. It didn't go well for you folks.
>>752327605
All those Republicans in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit...
>>752327722
Cars have a fuction in society
Guns were made to kill people, Not usually needed for everyday life.
The rest things would go under bad life choices but you dont harm other people than yourself.
Must be hard being a simpleton.
>>752327457
Kek do you even read bro? I said I have nothing against owning weapons. Just that I wished the wack-a-doodles didn't get them, I mean wack-a-doodle in the clinical sense not the colloquial one.
>>752327900
You can't. Get over it and be prepared to defend yourself.
You only have one life. Take some responsibility for defending it.
>>752327316
So you're afraid of less than .01% of the population having a gun? Cool. Better ban guns!
>>752328003
>They did a study on gun violence in 2013 after an Obama executive order. It didn't go well for you folks.
It's amazing. Libs demand that government look into gun deaths because they are SURE that the result will vindicate their world view, and then it doesn't so they ignore it.
Same shit with police body cams. Obama DoJ leans on local police to wear body cams because they are SURE that the footage would exonerate all the innocent blacks. What happens? Instead the footage is used to slam dunk the case for prosecution. Fucking whoops looks like Tyrone really is a lying thug.
They make up shit to make themselves feel good and then demand everyone else believe it, too, and are shocked to find that reality doesn't work like that.
>>752328231
Are you a fucking moron? Do you read? I said I okay with people owning guns! I own 3.
>>752327772
How dare you come at me with empirical evidence
>>752328060
You seem to be spouting talking points here. I never implied I am not responsible for my own safety.
>>752328376
>>752327316
>My problem is the ease and extent to which mentally unstable people can aquire them.
Ya i can read. Do you have some kind of short term memory loss?
>>752319823
>>752326664
>conflating mass shooting with gun crime
stop it
>>752328023
Don't look up the top 10 states for gundeaths the result might burst your little bubble.
>>752327890
According to the CDC, the America’s gun homicide rate is more than 25 times the average of other high-income countries.
There is no defending it.
Chicago has twice as many murders than the whole of Japan, the vast majority of them being with firearms. Not a problem, definitely...
>>752319375
the problem is that criminals will get guns by stealing from law abiding citizens
so if you ban guns then law abiding citizens will not have guns, which means criminals will no longer be able to steal the guns, which means no more gun deaths
except for those criminals who disobey the law and get guns illegally otherwise of course, but that's the price you pay to be safe
>>752328657
And whatvwas the sentence immediately before that one?
>>752328735
Ofc theres is! It hurts my feelyfeels!
>>752328735
I like to compare apples to oranges too; it's incredibly convenient. Sadly, it tends to make me look like a fucking retard
>>752328796
That will just be translated into, Black people are violent therefore nothing can be done about guns.
Some liberals are straight up retarded. It's totally fine to kill a fetus but not defend yourself against a rapist with your pistol.
>>752319648
no criminals only steal guns from legal gun owners, which is why the guns must be banned for public safety
remember, criminals don't obey laws, so we have to be safe from them by making sure there are no guns they can get when they break the law
>>752328316
Liberalism is a mental illness.
They claim that reality has a liberal bias, and despite being consistently proven wrong, they stick their fingers in their ears and pretend they're right.
Most of them honestly belong in mental institutions. They're a danger to society.
>>752328829
Oh I get it. I just completely ignored half your sentence. You ONLY wanted us to pay attention to the FIRST half. Got it.
>>752328506
It's not a talking point. It's reality.
Stop wishing and start thinking.
>>752328029
>Guns were made to kill people
Objectively untrue. They were made to neutralize a target, not "kill people". And even if that was their original purpose, would you not agree that they have various other uses in today's world, including defending oneself? Certainly you don't think the automobile shouldn't be used for racing when it was originally invented for mere transportation, right?
>>752328735
Get this through your tiny chimp brain.
America isn't going to disarm themselves because the Democrats pets can't act like human beings.
>>752328838
Not even addressing my main point.
Fewer guns, or weapons in general in active circulation bring down the total death toll SIGNIFICANTLY.
People getting hurt > People dying.
Now, I'm not saying the US should abolish guns, you're already fucked with the tremendous amounts unlicensed firearms. But to suggest that relatively peaceful countries should introduce guns is completely retarded.
>>752328231
Nowhere does he say he wants to ban guns.
>>752329096
Never suggested that, made it clear in the post right bellow you.
>>752329132
well all guns should be banned in order to protect the public from gun-stealing criminals
>>752328884
Why on earth would I voluntarily disarm myself because some black people can't seem to function in society?
>>752329028
>Guns weren't made to kill people
>They were made to neutralize a target
Yea those targets being humans...how obtuse do you have to be?
>>752328933
No dimwit. I said I'm okay with people guns only that I was concerned as to how easy it was for mentally ill people to aquire them.
Now try to keep up. The second sentence does not nullify the first. Secondly, where in the second sentence does it say anything about banning gun ownership.
Take a step back from your preconceptions and try to read what people actually write and not what you think they have written
>>752319375
Well how are illegal immigrants going to kill people if niggers have already killed and committed the crime before the illegals get there?
>>752329213
because public safety is more important than some right written on a piece of paper 300 years ago
if you do not disarm, criminals will steal your guns and will kill people with them, probably at an elementary school. it is YOUR fault those children died, anon
>>752329028
>they were made to neutralize a target, not "kill people".
This has to be bait, there's no way you're being serious.
>>752329132
oh oh, i get it. you're one of those cloud based automatons that cannot infer meaning from context. I apologize Datson. See, the bleeding heart was implying that mentally ill people with firearms are a problem in the United States. Unfortunately, mentally ill psychotics don't represent an appreciable proportion of citizens in the US. Store that in your memory bank
>>752328933
>Being this fucking retarded.
>>752319375
If you really believe this to be a huge serious issue I wish you didn't exist in this country. You're just as dumb and bigoted as they come.
>>752329112
Then explain why despite doubling the number of guns in circulation in the last twenty years, gun deaths have been consistently dropping.
You don't even have an argument here. You're just pulling shit out of your ass and throwing it at the wall.
This infograph is just so dumb it hurts
>>752329306
buh.. if we had moo gunns.. teachers could have guns.. hell, even the kids could have guns. Then we could protect ourselves.
>>752329293
expound on this please....intriguing
>>752329306
Do you actually enjoy getting people to think you're retarded on the internet?
What an odd hobby.
>>752329354
Holy fuck you're dumb. Anon said "I think people should be allowed to own guns, it just worries me that it's so easy for the mentally unstable to get their hands on them."
Your takeaway? "Hurr durr, anon wants to ban guns."
Just fucking kill yourself.
>>752329467
more than 70% of the country realizes this same conclusion, gun control is inevitable
>>752329227
>>752329308
They're tools that send a small piece of metal flying at roughly the speed of sound. Regardless of the intended usage of their original design, it is up to the operator of that tool to decide where to send that piece of metal. It could be into a paper target, a clay pidgeon, a deer, or another human being. Tools, anon. Do you comprehend?
>>752329293
how does one actually....kill the crime?
>>752329354
No fucknut, I never claimed that the mentally ill were THE problem in the US - just one of them.
>>752329503
Well maybe if he had at least attempted to come up with a solution to this supposed problem of mentally ill people with guns instead of whinging like your average bleeding heart liberal, we could have an actual conversation.
>>752329557
More than 70% of the country thinks you're retarded?
>>752329563
That's why i die a sword to butter my Bread and a spear to pick my teeth
>>752329612
So one cannot express concern about a particular aspect of society or policy unless one already has the solution to correct it? You're an idiot.
>>752329557
Are you actually delusional enough to believe you're getting more gun control after the last law you retards passed helped double the number of guns in the country and made the guns you were trying to ban the most popular gun in the country?
I mean there is mental illness and there is outright crazy.
We've been gutting gun laws at the state level. There is every possibility of repealing some federal laws in the near future. Face reality. You lost.
>>752329243
Obviously liberals don't want you to kill the rapists, they would be losing supporters
>>752329503
>>fears an infinitesimally probable event
what about the aliens though anon!? what then??
go take your medication.
>>752329563
When the only tool you have is a hammer, Every problem starts to look like a nail
>>752329612
Kek so one can't voice a concern but always offer a solution. I thought my comment was a conversation. I said it was okay to own guns and never claimed that guns should be banned. However, you went full retard and put words in my mouth.
>>752329767
So you just want to whine in general. Understood.
>>752329592
so are mosquitoes and female asian drivers, nigger
>>752329563
Thats irrelevant to the fact that guns were purpose built to wreck other humans...
>>752329801
Speaking of hammers...
>>752329836
You obviously don't know what the word "whine" means. Anon simply said it's something he finds concerning, which isn't whining at all.
Take one of your guns, shove it up your ass, and pull the trigger.
>>752329836
*sigh* you are a moron. You obviously lack the capacity to parse what I said correctly and now have regressed to childish comebacks. Maybe Turgenev was right about not being able to shoot them, he just got the people wrong.
>>752329820
Concern about what?
It's literally fucking nothing.
Should I express my concern about lightning strikes, sharks, and pitbulls?
Jesus Christ fucking grow a pair.
>>752329960
OH NO. Another inconvenient piece of empirical evidence. HOW DARE YOU.
Look up tractor roll-over deaths for double the fun! BAN FARMING!!!
>>752329960
Man if i didnt know better i'd think you'd be quoting the onion
>>752329985
>Take one of your guns, shove it up your ass, and pull the trigger.
Oh look, another mentally unstable liberal.
Better turn in my guns.
>>752329886
Yes but you don't see them shooting up schools or music festivals. Well niggers maybe
>>752330038
I'm sure we could find more than a handful of liberals who actually want to ban farming.
>>752330098
I think you missed the point nigger. They both kill more every year than guns
>>752327542
>>752328060
>>752328951
>Get over it
>I have
>Good, get over it
>I have
>You really need to get over it
/thread
>>752330231
What asian women drivers kill more than guns do? Now you tripping nigga
>>752329383
>You're just pulling shit out of your ass and throwing it at the wall.
Fuck off, I'm actually citing statistics, you're the one coming with incorrect statistics (as demonstrated from the CDC statistics) and arguing mostly based on ad hominem attacks.
>Then explain why despite doubling the number of guns in circulation in the last twenty years, gun deaths have been consistently dropping.
Oh please, It's been at about the same level since the turn of the century.
>>752329563
What about nukes anon?
Should anyone be able to buy them?
Why not? Because they're weapons? naah they're just instruments, a tool, do you comprehend?
>>752323418
>>752323541
sorry guys, i don't know what i was thinking
>>752329453
Niggers are criminals, plain and simple.
By the time they're done, there's no crime for anyone else to commit.
>>752329960
>be bong
>guns are banned
>knifes are banned
>spoons are banned
>carry hammer for self defense
Nice
>>752330310
Clearly you don't live in California
>>752327678
It very likely does, even before you account for crimes prevented by criminals not wanting to be shot, which are not included in figures because there was no actual shooting.
>>752329582
You don't, you kill niggers, then crime will start to dwindle.
>>752330448
Thank god no!
>>752330316
no human being can be this stupid......this has to be bait right?
>>752330316
before you state that it's objectively a decrease, as of 2016 it is slightly higher than 1999.
>>752330239
Jesus Christ you're pathetic.
Here, I'll offer up a solution to this supposed mental illness problem. Lock up the fucking crazies.
You won't see a liberal suggest that, though. They know they'd end up in a rubber room.
>>752330573
There you go again, pure ad hominem.
>>752330316
Is the blue spike representing 9/11?
>>752330316
you know that figure isn't conveying gun homicides, right?
>>752330316
How is your chart helping your argument exactly?
The homicide rate is falling and the number of guns is increasing?
Do you have some sort of brain damage?
>>752330654
see>>752330749
then kill yourself
>>752330427
Do you have any idea how retarded this post makes you look?
Entire nation states can't afford to build and maintain them. Laws have nothing to do with preventing people from owning a nuclear weapon.
>>752330788
"Number of homicides have stayed the same since the turn of the century"
Lrn2read fgt
>>752330597
Get over it, bub.
>>752330788
Shshshsh let's wait and see if they can get it on their own.
>>752330875
But they haven't, at all. >>752327839
You have some serious issues. Have you considered treatment?
>>752330300
I remember one of these threads some dumbass actually thought that, if government attempted to repeal the second amendment or otherwise invalidate it, and the people collectively revolted, refusing to give up their guns, that the military hardware would be used to level city blocks to wipe out the resistance.
>>752330427
>comparing a nuclear device to a conventional firearm
>>752330749
>>752330859
>you know that figure isn't conveying gun homicides, right?
Oh, my bad, Found the chart in reference to guns, but should have been more careful to select a chart that explicitly stated that it was homicides by guns. Here's the same graph, explicitly stating that the rates are by guns.
>>752330788
>The homicide rate is falling and the number of guns is increasing?
>Do you have some sort of brain damage?
See
>>752330574
>>752331262
comparing guns to fists.
>>752330998
When did 17 years become equal to 7 years?
The man explicitly stated that the number hasnt droppen all that much compared to the numbers around 2000, besides noting a trend that supports that claim, the figure from 2010 is not all that relevant.
And in response to your ad hominem statement: Still haven't picked up your reading comprehension I notice.
>>752331399
So you post another chart showing that the rate of gun deaths is falling...
How exactly does that fit with your claim that more guns equals more gun deaths when we've been increasing the number of guns?
Universal suffrage really was a mistake.
>>752331399
somewhat better, but still biased (even though rates have decreased significantly).
These rates still include incidents that should not be included (e.g. suicides, defensive shootings, police involved shootings)
>>752321118
just because its over your head...
>>752331415
Yes, the gap between mass produced mechanisms and biological tools is clearly the same as an item capable of killing tens of thousands, destroying a city and polluting the atmosphere, for which the technical development and manufacturing requires an understand of nuclear physics and a fuck ton of processing.
>>752321561
liberals are this retarded
>>752331574
You know this data is available online, right?
Christ, his own charts destroy his claims.
I mean do you like look at the charts he posted and see a straight line or something? How detached from reality are you?
>>752331574
>still whining about ad hominem on 4chan
>>752331399
Still long term downward trend in gun homicides and upward trend in gun ownership.
At first glance one might conclude the two were related.
>>752331838
That woman looks perfectly prepared to defend herself. I see nothing wrong at all. Thanks Brady!
>>752331576
>another chart showing that the rate of gun deaths is falling...
>>752331674
>even though rates have decreased significantly
Did you not finish reading my post?
I originally argued that the rates have plateaued, not decreased. Even though the chart states a 0.2 drop from 199 to 2010, as of 2016, it's actually slightly higher. Thus, plateaued, not decreased. Sorry, really felt like I needed to make this super clear as people don't seem to examine the posts before replying.
>>752319375
What would happen if you got any game server were everybody is admin ? it would end in chaos, but if you give only a few people on this server a lot controll and also make them decide in the servers's intrest then you have a more or less stable system ... sometimes someone will get power who shouldnt have any ... but there is no way to not have that happening
>>752331838
Did they give her a fucking automatic shotgun?
>>752332001
>"yuh huh nuh uh yuh huh nuh uh"
>at all comparable to decisively murdering each other and doing what you want
Nigger what?
>>752330093
I'm not a liberal; I'm just not a complete retard like you are.
>>752331947
wew lad. ONCE AGAIN, your chart isn't supporting your argument AT ALL. It's so confounded that using it in such a manner is akin to one of your relatives reporting diabetes rates in the US and then calling for soda to be banned
>>752332115
i said in the server's intrest that means that they take actions to prevent harm from the system not from themselfs
>>752331947
And yet there are more guns in circulation than ever.
I guess more guns equals more guns deaths is false.
Thanks for clearing that up for us.
>>752332161
>your chart isn't supporting your argument AT ALL.
What do you think my argument is?
>>752332022
It's just a short barrelled and kitted up saiga. Semi-auto.
>>752332258
I guess giving would be criminals 2 guns vs 5 guns doesn't that much of a difference.
>>752331766
So, looking at your charts alone, 2002 has a murder rate of about 9500 with firearms, in 2014, based on your earlier quoted graph, gives us a figure of 8800. Granted that is a decline of 700. It is not however an enormous decline.
Note I am now using the full numbers. The graph libanon posted has its numbers based on a scale of 1 in 100.000. If you'd pick a scale on a linear graph of 1 to 10.000 suddenly that decline starts to look like an almost straight line
>>752332380
Apparently not, given the statistics.
>>752332394
And in that time, we have doubled the number of guns in the country.
So please explain the logic of making a statement that more guns equals more gun deaths.
>>752319375
>illegal Mexican immigrants kill people
Niggers kill people.
Niggers are not illegal mexican immigrants
>>752332003
I did and I was talking long-term trend. The thing with statistics is that without amounts of data points they are misleading at best. Your plateu is for a period that is less than 10 years i.e. 10 data points, this is not enought to identify any significant trend.
>>752332428
That also doesn't mean, giving the criminals 0 guns would keep the rates at the same level.
>>752332247
You started by comparing (implicitly) the two forms of anarchy, which is what I called you retarded for. Further, if you seriously believe that oligarchy ever works, you are an incomprehensible moron.
Banning conventional firearms would solve a lot of problems. But would cause more problems right now than it would solve. You want to take money out of the deficit to organize a task force to take firearms away from what are, by a large majority, law abiding citizens? I'd say there are a lot more problems that are more easily handled that have no attention being payed to them.
And I'm actually in favor of refining gun control laws. How about we focus on... oh i dont know.. the opioid epidemic that kills insanely higher number of people every year than gun violence?
>>752332568
oh, it's 11 years on the chart, 17 if you count the statistics up till now. I'd call that a plateau.
>>752332489
Did you forget I was defending his argument, stating that it hasn't changed much since the turn of the century? Not the entire guns owned vs gun deaths debate? I don't care about that shit, I'm not American. I do like to see people have a proper discussion rather than calling each other mentally unstable or whatever without actually looking at the presented arguments
>>752319375
racist moron like yourself shouldn't be allowed to have guns in my opinion youre no different then the illegal Mexican youre trying to put blame towards.
>>752332868
Yea, that is what would happen in America.
Keeping guns banned in other high income countries would prevent the criminal on the right from acquiring a gun in the first place.
>>752332976
Read the entire thread...this part of the syllabus has already been covered!
>>752332868
now that guns are so easily to get a hold off you cant blame criminals for getting them its your own fault gun lover.
>>752333090
why would i waste my time
>>752333053
>implying high income countries don't become high income after guns are already present
>>752333121
Now that the wealthiest have the power to fuck people over, I guess we should just let them keep doing it. What do you need quality of life for?
>>752333172
Because you are being redundant
>>752333235
Wait, stop, explain.
No really, what are you saying?
>>752321561
yeah this guy obviously didn't defend himself or his family. it was obviously excessive force. we should just let criminals cuck us.
https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2017/5/6/ftf/houston-man-defends-his-family-shoots-armed-home-invaders/
>>752332573
And what magical process are you going to use to prevent criminals from arming themselves?
>"Looking only to official criminal records, data over the past thirty years consistently show that the mythology of murderers as ordinary citizens does not hold true. Studies have found that approximately 75% of murderers have adult criminal records, and that murderers average a prior adult criminal career of six years, including four major adult felony arrests. These studies also found that when the murder occurred "[a]bout 11% of murder arrestees [were] actually on pre-trial release"--that is, they were awaiting trial for another offense."
>"The fact that only 75% of murderers have adult crime records should not be misunderstood as implying that the remaining 25% of murderers are non-criminals. The reason over half of those 25% of murderers don't have adult records is that they are juveniles. Thus, by definition they cannot have an adult criminal record."
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html
Here's a crazy idea. Maybe you should throw them in jail and not let them out.
>>752332846
And again, in that time we have doubled the number of guns in the country.
How exactly do you reconcile that with the argument that more guns equals more gun deaths which is quite obviously false?
>>752331838
>the left is more than willing to sacrifice those 23% of woman to rip guns away from hobbyists
wow im honestly baffled
>>752332967
How can you have a proper discussion with people who post statistics that disprove their own claims?
>>752333724
Again, I don't think disarming Americans would work at this point.
But the fact that countries with few guns have few murders by guns are a testament to the fact that guns in circulation = guns in the wrong hands = more murders.
>>752334040
But we have clearly seen by the statistics that this is not the case?
Honestly what is wrong with you?
>>752333896
I don't know, how can u have a discussion with someone who doesn't want to make the effort to read your arguments. And thus keeps repeating the same complaints that have been shown to be false earlier in the discussion?
>>752333824
That after a certain point when guns are ubiquitous, it doesn't matter any more.
...It plateaus.
>>752334091
Show me the statistics that say: introduce guns into public circulation = fewer murders.
Pro tip, you can't.
>>752334096
None of you has actually posted a sensible argument. You are literally posting things that disprove the things you are saying.
Do you understand now why people think that liberalism is a mental illness?
>>752334367
You retards have literally posted them yourselves.
>>752333413
i never had any information so why say im redundant lol? i simply joined the thread with a opinion
>>752334383
Not wanting guns in circulation doesn't automatically make you a libertarian.
This OP explains how we ended up with Trump as president. Some people are just beyond fucking stupid.
>>752334383
I'm done, my battery is dead and I don't have the time to deal with this kind of stupid. Please shoot yourself some more, please stay away from children and have a nice life
>>752334419
The statistics posted display having guns to begin with, then increasing them.
Not the absence of them following an introduction.
Are you even trying at this point?
>>752334583
>Please shoot yourself some more
Oh, another psychotic liberal.
Better turn in my guns.
>>752334612
I honestly can't even tell what your argument is at this point. You are basically babbling.
Every argument that a gun grabber has posted in this thread has been debunked by statistics posted by gun grabbers. Honestly, it's actually hilarious.
>>752319375
Well this was fun, let's discuss the death penalty now!
>>752334857
High income countries with low gun rates tend to have low homicide rates. That is an indisputable fact.
I'm arguing that introducing guns to those countries might be a bad idea because it puts guns in the hands of bad people.
While at the same time postulating that America is already fucked since removing guns would only leave regular people not having any, while criminals still have access to them.
I also tried explaining how an increase of guns in a country already containing a ubiquitous amount of guns doesn't necessarily lead to an increase of homicides as criminals already have access to guns, thus, after a certain point, you'd see a plateau in the statistics.
What points are you disagreeing with?
>>752335336
I concur (and I am OP)
>>752335411
This is the problem with you retards. Guns are always in the hands of bad people.
America isn't even remotely fucked. We've already covered the fact that 80% of the murders in this country are gang bangers killing each other. Outside of "gun free" ghettos run by the democrats, America is safer than Europe.
>>752319375
You're right that guns don't kill people. But blacks kill people 50x more than illegal Mexican immigrants. Most illegal Mexican immigrants just pick fruit for 50 cents an hour.
>>752335416
Kek
>>752335670
Mmm you make a qualifier for the US then a generalisation for Europe. I think they are both about the same, in slightly different ways. People tend to focus on the extreme as an analagy for the norm and this is wrong. Guns aren't the problem, people with bad intentions are the problem. Bad people will always find a way to do bad things - we humans are a resourceful bunch.
The fact that people on here believe that gun crimes correlated with legal guns sufficiently enough just proves they’re a dumb fuck and should up the suicide rate.
>>752335670
> America is safer than Europe.
No it fucking isn't. I'd even argue that Europe is safer WITH the terrorist attacks (thanks for fucking up the middle east and leaving us to deal with the problem by the way), than america is.
>>752336436
>mfw I read that comment.
>>752335670
>America is safer than Europe.
Yea sure, Canada maybe.
The US is on par with Africa.
>>752326809
arming old people is your argument to make the world a safer place XD
>they should not even drive a car at a certain age or individual mental state.
>hands granny and poppop a handgun
how many people get shot at in your shitcountry? where does this fear come from? action movies, fox news and a violent nature of ameritards? god fucking shitballs, this problem comes from arming everybody. you sure have learned from the cold war.
>bullets don´t kill
sad part, you are retarded.
