Alright /b/, redpill me on gun control. Are guns a problem in the states? Will you be willing to give up your weapons if it means a safer tomorrow?
>>752027744
They're obviously a problem. Still not giving up my rifle because idgaf
>>752027744
They aren't a problem. Anywhere else in the world where guns are heavily regulated, criminals still dont have problems getting guns, americas gun crime is because of something else. Probably social disparity compared to european country's.
Letting every citizen own guns is literally the only way to secure a free state.
Just look at Switzerland, basically no crime. Probably because of lack of niggers, and an excellent immigrant policy
>>752027744
naw. guns and gun violence aren't a problem. get rid of niggers and gun violence damn near goes away.
>>752027744
>>752028748
And calis gun laws are probably the most retarded regulations in the world. Literally accomplishes nothing but annoy gun owners
>>752028748
>Probably because of keeping jewgold safe
>>752028274
Supports mass murder
>>752027744
Indiana. Just bought 100rd drum mag and bump stock to create meme rifle.
>>752028911
A rich state that doesn't take in poorfags from across the globe can have guns and still have no violence. It doesnt reallyatter if the money came from jew gold
>>752027744
Guns are just toys and gun control isn't a problem because most gun owners aren't killers and most killers can just get a gun anyway
>>752028748
This is the only sound argument that I have as well. You cannot attempt to disarm a populous and expect compliance. If it is law to disarm all than all that refuse will be criminals and criminals will always find a way. In a world where law "guarantees freedoms" only outlaws will truly be free.
>>752027744
Gun crime doesn't correlate with the number of guns in the area. It correlates with the prevalence of something else. I'll give you three guesses.
>>752028748
The guy in Vegas was white. The guy in Texas was white. Stop blaming niggers. Guns are the problem. Yes gang violence does account for the majority of gun deaths but no one gives a fuck about them and it's stupid to bring that up in the context of crazy people murdering innocents.
>>752027744
Here's the deal. More freedom means less government protection. More protection means less freedom. Can't have one with the other
Gunfags scapegoat niggers when the mass shooters are almost always white.
>denial at it's finest
>>752029137
dorner was black
cho son hui was asian
what's you're point?
America's violence problem in general is because of niggers
>>752029102
Poverty, criminals, and "public servants"?
>>752029051
So if someone wants to murder a bunch people they can just buy a gun legally or illegally and guns are not a problem.
>>752029137
I prefer two batshit crazy whites instead of thousands crack selling gun waving niggers
get rid of organized religion, poverty, and income gap and 97% of violence would likely disappear...the other 3% are simply defective humans.
>>752029329
That niggers are not the problem in the context of mass shootings. Being able to buy assault rifles at the dollar store is the problem.
>>752029068
I am currently trying to buy an ar15, im having a really tough time though. The police wont give me a permit because they say a .223 isn't hunting related.
They have no problem granting me a .308
If I wanted to kill people, wouldnt I just do it with a .308!?? Why the fuck cant I get the cheap ammo?
This is how bad it can get if you have retarded people who dont know guns make the laws
>>752029470
.223 is a faggot round for faggoty fags anyway
>>752027744
Lol "safer tomorrow", fuck off. Thats not how you objectively approach a conversation.
>>752029137
>>752029295
Texas gun was illegal, and mass shootings are less than 1% of casualties.
Majority of all crime in the fucking world is shitskins
>>752027744
Go ask /k/ OP, wrong board.
>>752029450
you're too busy looking at the trees and you can't see the forest. read FBI stats, most gun violence is caused by niggers
>>752029470
where do you live that you need a permit for an AR-15?
Why even buy a gun if there's no niggers around you
>>752027744
... ok, I'm not even going to look in this thredd, reply at will...
O.P. ....
Guns in the United States, just as Anywhere i the world, Are Not the problem.
People... and Only People are the problem.
Guns do not attack of their own free will.
Keeping the guns out of the hands of regular law abiding people, does Not affect the criminal world.
There will always be weapons sales outside of legal jurisdiction, ALWAYS.
There is no safer tomorrow /b/ro, not unless the People are committed, to improving their will to control themselves, and try to be more reasonable than we have turned out to be so far,... including myself....
Good luck taking my Guns tho, ... law or not,... I will defend myself and my family.
>>752029389
No, I'm saying that gun control should be looked at like the war on drugs because they're the same thing you catch my meaning, just think about it
>>752029747
Denmark
If the shooter is white then he’s alright if he’s brown Then that brother going down.
>>752029857
ah. would it be just as difficult to get a bolt action .223?
>>752029563
Much more comfortable in a semi auto. Plus you know you're gonna shoot crazy amounts of ammo. Therefore .233 is preferred for me
>>752029788
*click
>>752029137
It's not the guns, it's the culture and healthcare. Canada has a shit ton of guns and fewer restrictions on what's legal. They don't have these problems. We are a country of insecure children clawing at masculinity and screaming. America's problem is modern American culture being so fucking toxic. We're constantly told to fear this, hate that, fuck anyone that disagrees. It's constant mental stress embedded with personal threat. It's so embedded in daily life, most will say that it doesn't exist. They don't know what freedom from that strain is so they assume they already are. It's like when a painkiller kicks in and you didn't know you were in pain for a week because the growth of it was so gradual.
>>752027744
>Will you be willing to give up your weapons if it means a safer tomorrow?
this statement is false
that is the problem with people who try to control your lives, they believe some perfect utopian society is possible, it isn't, it's a pipedream.
Today is yesterday's tomorrow, in other words current times are actually safer than the times before it, relatively speaking.
There will always be danger, there will always be death, there will always be those who wish to bring harm to you or someone you care about, it doesn't matter what tools they use, the problem that needs to be dealt with is the people not the tools
>>752030132
kek
>>752030002
Nope, have plenty of bolt actions. Even pistols would be easier. For some reason the police got their panties in a twist over semi autos smaller than 6.5mm
>>752029855
>the war on drugs
yeah cause that is going great isn't it?
>>752027744
>Are guns a problem in the states?
No.
>Will you be willing to give up your weapons if it means a safer tomorrow?
It doesn't. We've doubled the number of guns in circulation in the last twenty years. Violent crime is nearing all time lows.
>>752030335
You just prooved his point jackass... just like the war on guns
>>752029295
Sure thing, chaim.
>>752029450
You probably should have thought of that before turning them into the most popular rifles in the country.
>>752028952
>>752030335
Yeah, something along those lines.
>>752027744
>Will you be willing to give up your weapons if it means a safer tomorrow?
no
those who would sacrifice a little bit of freedom for a little bit of safety deserve neither
>>752030335
>this guy
>oh shit, they banned this gun in my state...
>imma just go next state over xD
why gun legislation will never work in this mosh pit of niggery
besides, the shit in texas happened because some retard somewhere didn't add him to a list, so he was able to buy the gun. would he have been able to get a gun otherwise? probably. but the point is, having laws there is pointless if the fucking government itself isn't following protocol.
>>752030487
Why do some people have eyes like Omar's?
>>752027744
According to The National Crime Victimization Survey (a government survey that collects police reports and some other shit) roughly 100,000 lives are saved each year due to gun ownership in the US.
That's nearly 3x's the lives lost.
Further, people using guns to protect themselves and waiting around for the police to come and make a report... *hint, they're not (those guys) that we really don't care if they kill each other off.
We would sacrificing innocent lives if we banned guns in the US, good lives that mattered before a slogan had to tell us they did.
>>752027744
Guns aren't the problem, Americans are.
Don't give guns to tards.
Its regulated well here in belgium, i own a gun. Having checks an balances in place to make sure no crazy person or crimal buys one is just common sense.
Problem is that about 80% of yanks are crazy and violent.
>hurdurr but no niggers in europe
Make up your mind yanks, are we all living in new marrakech or are we all 100% white?
>but criminals will still get guns
Sure, theres always a black market for some things. But at least you won't have crazies getting so many guns.
And as we can see in other countries, the amount of criminals with guns will plummit and gun crime instances will also fall.
When a man can walk into walmart and buy an AR-15 and a bump stock, then fire 90 rounds per minute at a crowd, you are doing shit wrong.
Our background checks are garbage.
our pre-checks are garbage.
our laws are GARBAGE.
Don't give me shit about a 200 year old piece of paper or how much your gun would have saved you from a shooter on a 30th floor of a hotel 500 feet away
>>752031025
Nobody is saying ban all guns you retard
people are saying regulate guns so people with mental issues won't be able to get them.
I would ask anybody who is for tight regulations on firearms what is their ultimate goal? Is it to reduce deaths in the US? If so, alcohol, drugs, and automotive accidents are all much higher causes of death in the US each year. The same groups that want to ban guns want to allow heavy drug use, it doesn't make sense. People care about gun deaths because when they happen they make a lot of noise in the media. 50 killed at one time is terrible, but is it worse than the 200 that died over the same period silently in their homes due to drugs and alcohol? Typical retard liberal law; propose a new tax/regulation/ban that doesn't apply to me
>>752031184
You actually think you're going to get any new gun laws after the last retarded law you passed helped double the number of guns in the country?
You legitimately belong in a rubber room.
>>752031184
You literally cant just walk into wall mart and leave with a gun the same day
>>752031326
How were you planning on stopping them in a country with half a billion unregistered guns?
>>752031498
Of course you can.
>>752031184
see
>>752031448
and tell me what you aim to gain by banning guns, or heavily regulating by that matter.
>>752027744
>Will you be willing to give up your weapons if it means a safer tomorrow?
No, people who abide by the law become the powerless victims of those who who are lawless.
>>752031326
Here is the massive discrepancy. Liberals say "We just want common sense gun laws." Well, guess what. You're common sense is probably different than mine. You give libs an inch, they take a foot
>>752028748
This x 1000. Guns aren't to blame, it's the people behind them. Its like blaming trucks for mass murder when it's the muslim behind the wheel.
>>752031176
Wont work in America. How do you plan on confiscating and refunding 500 million guns? Australia had 650,000 confiscated, and it cost them a SHITLOAD of money. And theres no way im handing over something I paid money for and not getting compensated because some liberal politicians want to push their agenda. And you're calling Americans tards? Use your fucking belgian waffle of a brain. But yes, I do agree that America needs regulation from this point forward for public safety.
>>752031516
Let's just first start with not selling new guns to unstable people. Small baby steps.
I also imagine that the police are already inpounding any unregistered guns they find? Would seem logical to me.
But i do not live in yankistan.
>>752028803
/thread
>>752031326
That regulation is already in place.
If you section 8 - you must wait a mandatory 5 years before you can apply for gun ownership, and I think it's a lifetime restriction on something like 3 total guns. I forget, but it's already in place and works very well, actually. A ton of people are turned away at the register due to the regulation. You can look that up yourself. I'm too lazy.
I do assure you, the goal is every single gun. Government has one sole purpose and that is to rule absolutely. Read the outcome of every single government that has come and passed so far in human history.
Learn from others, anon. When you can.
>>752031760
yeah, but we don't let people without a licence buy a truck.
>>752031673
isnt that how the world works? a gun wouldnt stop you from being a victim unless you get in a shootout and win. how is a gun gonna protect you from identity theft?
>>752031730
Don't call me a liberal, you yanks use it wrong.
>>752031779
>Let's just first start with not selling new guns to unstable people.
And what exactly does that accomplish if they simply go and buy one of the other 500 million already in circulation.
>Small baby steps.
Exactly. Which is why you fucking mentally ill chimps are never getting another gun law.
>>752031498
>Depends on what you buy
>Depends if you have a conceal carry permit or not.
>depends if you committed to acts of niggery in the past or not (aka criminal background checks)
>>752031779
>already inpounding any unregistered guns they find
We don't register guns you fucking chimp.
>>752031779
You dont need to register every gun genius. Only handguns. Thats the point, how do you plan on even tracking those guns down? You gonna start a "war on guns"? Lets see how well that ends....
>>752031760
That's where gun control comes in. You screen for people unfit to have guns, just like you wouldn't let a radical Muslim drive a truck down a crowded German street.
>>752031853
>muslims buy their trucks of peace
I honestly thought libtards weren't this stupid yet here we are
>>752031538
Sure can. As you should be able to. If you aren't a convicted felon and you haven't done anything to thwart your rights, then why should they be taken from you?
>>752031760
"because spoons are as dangerous as AR-10's guise! if someone wants to kill, a knife's just as deadly" is the new NRA argument.
we're dealing with retards. there's only 1 way to stop them. ban guns, send the natl guard into their homes, and retrieve their firearms.
And we will ban guns. America's future's a Leftist Future. When the Baby Boomer White GOP'ers die off, this country belongs to Minority America.
>>752031853
>what is craigslist
>>752031779
how do you determine who is mentally unstable? have people take a test? Guarantee a lot of mentally unstable people know what to say to seem normal. Think about it, do you just look at someone and say they are mentally unstable?
>>752031853
You don't need a license to buy a vehicle.
>>752031949
They'll just get them illegally, that's what criminals do.
>>752032012
>Captain Ukraine
>During the Fast and Furious investigation, nearly 2,000 firearms were illegally purchased for $1.5 million, according to a DOJ inspector General report.
>In 2010, two of the weapons linked to Fast and Furious turned up near the scene where US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down in the Arizona desert.
the federal government let people illegally purchase firearms, and simply walk out of gun shops, all in hopes of "catching the big fish."
>>752031760
>80 murdered with truck of peace
Thats more than the vegas shooter managed with dozens of automatic weapons and thousands of rounds.
>really gets the noggin joggin
>>752031184
>Don't give me shit about a 200 year old piece of paper
Its scary to think there are people in the country who hold the Constitution in such low opinion.
>>752032003
>this weak leftist pussy got triggered
fucking lmao
>>752032113
Welcome to American Idiocracy
>>752032003
Lmfao this HAS to be a joke. You're a funny goy. Good luck to the NationalConcealed guard vs 125 million Americans with guns. Combined active and reserve duty armed forces in the US is about 2 million. Did you pass fifth grade math there buddy?
>>752032113
Hes a eurocuck. Just wait till they're following the Quoran in 50 years, then we'll see who's talking
>>752032003
Hahaha you think that will work. It would be a blood bath. Plus I would just hide my guns, bury them if needed.
>>752032012
Christ you yankistanis really love to wank while shouting 'Muh guns'
why the fuck did you never register every single gun at sale? You fucks really are retarded.
>>752031967
Liberals are actually, properly, fucking retarded in case you hadn't noticed.
>Burgers trying to explain how to gun control or health care to the rest of the planet where it just werks.
>>752032246
>You fucks really are retarded.
That's an understatement.
>>752027744
No and no. Niggers and bad healthcare are the problem.
>>752032003
You think the national guard, full of gun owning right wingers, who you spit on and hate are going to go door to door slaughtering tax payers for you?
Liberalism really is a mental illness. We honestly need to start institutionalizing you people.
>>752032034
Truly mentally deposed check themselves out. Everyone is slightly unstable, but mental illness controls a persons actions. They aren't thinking about buying guns at some point in the future, they're either thinking of buying them right then and there or they aren't thinking about it at all
>>752032255
rekt and checked
>>752032112
Truck ban when?
>>752032246
Lol exactly for this reason. Because of fucking pansies like you who want to confiscate all guns without compensation. Why dont you do the world a favor and kill yourself?
>>752029137
Elliot Rogers was Asian. I'll find sauce but I think that there is a racial disparity in Mass shooters favoring colored people.
>>752031730
This. No sane person wants liberals making laws because they're all duplicitous, lying, virtue signaling hypocrites that will cheerfully kill their own children if they're inconvenient.
Why do Americans need so many guns? To defend themselves against other Americans. Top level kek.
>>752032451
no need to ban trucks or guns, just ban muslims and niggers
As a european who mentally grew up in america and I love what it used to represent, what it made for the modern world, i understand yhe problems. Your country has surpassed the whole world kn 200 or so years from being a colony. You were the ones who.made great music, cars etc back in the day. 40 years ago nothing could touch a cadillac. Heck, europeans are still figuring out how to make a decent automativ transmission that dlesnt shit itself after 50k km or a suspension that is soft because of the constructjon not gimmicks that break it.
Tldr you are people in a country where the mentality used to be WE ARE THE BEST WE CAN DO ANYTHINF IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH, and to an extent that used tk be true. You are still being told that yet what you see is a level of life of aan average american being worse than an average european, worse crime rate? Higher social disparity etc. Its kinda similar in Russia. They used to own half of europe and be able to send people into space, nowadays the average salary there is less than what it is in the neighbluring tiny republics which joined the EU so they dont understand what happened.
Whereas in switzerland e.g. if you are born there you could say you already won at life.
>>752030254
Buy glorious 7.62x39
>>752029137
>>752029137
>>752029450
mass shootings are so incredibly rare its a statistical anomaly and you literally have more chance of being struck by lightning
>>752027744
day to day gun crime is largely niggery and until people crack down on nigs nothing is going to change, whether guns are legal or not
fuck off everyone deserves the right to self defense in a country where we let nigs roam wild
Most criminals use handguns anyway and they are legal in most eu countries anyways (hard to obtain and hard to prove in court you HAD to use it, because a criminal will very rarely pull a gun to you here). But having any other weapons for home defence/recreation would be my dream.
>>752027744
>Will you be willing to give up your weapons if it means a safer tomorrow
I would, except everywhere that has strict gun control has seen an increase in gun violence. Major examples are the UK and Australia. There are places with lots of guns and very little gun violence such as Norway and Switzerland.
There are places with lots of guns and little violence. There is no direct correlation between accessibility to firearms and what people do with them, at least none that I've seen based on the numbers. People can twist numbers to mean anything they want, so naturally they do. Objectively: the places in the US with the highest gun problems are the places with the strictest gun controls. You can't logically conclude that gun control = controlled violence based on this.
>>752031673
This. webm related
>>752032596
I would have to reload every single cartridge myself, the ammo isnt avaible ..
>>752027744
Safer tomorrow.... HAHA you're funny.
>>752031890
Of course it would, see it in action here>>752032699
I support complete and total firearms ban of any kind, no exceptions for hunting or sports. No real reason except I think it'd be hilarious watching all the chubby neck beard white trash try to fend for themselves without them.
>>752032699
>liberals want to take away that shop owners gun to make us safer
>>752032699
>When George Lucas is done with your nignoggin'
>>752028748
So much this.
>>752032854
>Supporting fascism for the lulz
Just move to north korea, it would be your dream come true
>>752032554
Well, at least we will go down gunz a' blazin!
>>752032737
A place where glorious 7.62x39 isn't spilling out of random junk bins in every home. Wow, thats hard to imagine.
>>752027744
More people Die in America every day from opiate drug overdoses
Forget the nra. Big pharmaceutical is the real evil
>>752028748
>Letting every citizen own guns is literally the only way to secure a free state.
/thread
>>752032983
They don't let you immigrate to North Korea. Besides, I'd miss all the fun watching the USA commit mass cultural suicide.
>>752033125
You really should consider having yourself committed while you still have the option of it being voluntary.
>>752029857
Well there's your problem.
>>752033125
Thats where your wrong kiddo! Just go there and laugh and you will literally never be allowed to leave
>>752029470
What the fuck 5.56 is has widespread use as a sporting round and if you're in the us they can't deny you anyway
>>752032238
dis very good comrade , thx
>>752029470
You could go with 308 and and try aiming
>>752033179
Trust me I know, I have considered moving to texas or some shit
>>752033165
>>MUH CUNTRY!!!
>>752027744
Gun violence is literally a non-issue for your average American and no one in congress is going to support additional gun control.
Gun grabber tears are sweet though :^)
>>752033213
But like I said, I don't want to leave. I want to be here to watch every thing you love be destroyed.
>>752033317
Why live in a place that you hate?
Oh right. Mental illness.
>>752031184
Nice bait, what gave it away is no one could be that much of a faggot
>>752033283
I dont want the .308 and what the fuck does aiming have to do with it?
>>752033397
Yeah. You guys are really doing a great job with that.
>>752031326
Lots of people are saying ban all guns. There was literally an editorial in the New York times last month about it
>>752029295
>Implying that mass shooting demographics don't exactly match up with population demographics
Actually they lean towards blacks and Asians commiting a high percent, favor whites as less likely per capita to commit a mass shooting. Seeing as Asians are the wealthiest demographic in the United States, it's hard to argue privilege as a cause for mass shootings.
>>752031184
they dont sell ar15 at fucking walmart dumbass....
>>752033425
I hate it now, yes. The conditions that made me hate it are not going to be permanent. I also don't hate the entirety of nthe USA. Just most of, fly over states and such. And I can leave any time actually. I happened to have close family ties away from the states I can call upon.
>>752033591
Some do. A lot of them stopped. They got so popular and cheap that even walmart couldn't make a profit selling them.
>>752031779
>Register
>Guns
This is why you no longer have guns and are at the complete mercy of both the state and malignant actors in your society you literal fucking cuck
>>752032936
He's lucky he's got a gun and not a walkie talkie
>>752031184
ignoring the moral and philosophical arguments for the right to own guns, explain to me how more regulation is going to do anything when its the same inept large government bureaucracy that fails time and again with the laws we already have on the books?
>orlando shooter was already investigated by FBI twice and on a terror watchlist (he legally went into a gunstore and bought guns and ammo, FBI still hasnt explained how this happened)
>texas church shooter already had domestic violence and dishonorable discharges from the military before he legally went in to buy a gun and passed the background check (any domestic violence conviction or dishonorable military discharge is supposed to fail the federal NICS background check)
>aurora theater shooter bought his guns legally despite repeatedly declaring to his psychologist that he wanted to kill people and fantasized about going on a mass shooting, and the psychologist discussed this with police who offered to involuntarily confine him to a mental hospital, which the dumb SJW bitch then decided against
>alexandria VA congress baseball game shooter was a rabid berniebro leftwing radical, who had 20+ contacts with police for domestic battery and assault among other retarded illegal shit like shooting his gun (which he never should legally have been able to buy if SJWs followed the law) in his yard.
>boston bombers were suggested to FBI as terrorists by foreign intelligence service, were looked at then ignored. they used homemade bombs made from kitchen implements and fireworks and a gun they borrowed from a friend
honestly the only common thread i see here is that SJWs and leftists are almost entirely to blame for mass shootings for not enforcing the laws already on the books because of "muh rayciscm, muh profiling, muh feelings, we can talk to them, its not their fault they were raised this way!"
had more examples of government leftist incompetence but ran out of room, san bernardino shooters, etc
>>752027744
They are a small problem, mostly with in the innercity. We have about 36K deaths a year, 2/3 of them are suicide. The other couple of thousand deaths are in the inner city and mostly black on black crime. 25% of all gun murders in the United States take place in these 4 cities, 1)Baltimore 2) DC 3) Detroit 4) Chicago. It is a problem but not a serious one.
>>752033638
You should probably leave before you end up in a rubber room. Your ideology is dying.
>>752033486
>>Thinks I bother to vote.
>>752027744
gun control = freedom control
no guns = no freedom
you are brainwashed and think gun control is a good thing ?
i have some bad news for you .... you live in a unfree country.
>>752033732
What ideology is that? Since you seem to know me so well.
>>752033452
You wont need as much ammo
>>752033733
Pretty sure you're just a basement dwelling edgelord. Kind of embarrassing to watch you post, honestly.
>>752033317
It's not that bad, just stay away from urban and city retards and you'll be fine.
>>752027744
Keep in mind that suicides are included in most gun violence statistics.
Not a problem unless you're a nigger. No I won't give mine up for any reason. Ever. No one I know will. In fact confiscation would result in a great array of dead cops.
>>752033792
You're an obvious commie.
Every single one of you sounds exactly the same.
>>752033796
I will be using it in a shooting theater for training to shoot running animals. I will use alot of ammo
>>752031025
Post a link porch monkey
>>752033486
Obama was GOAT. He caused the crazy left to be the weakest the party has been since the 20's. No one else could dismantle a party like that.
>>752033875
I've been. No thanks, I'd take any coastal city over anything in between.
It'll be a safer society when the left wing mongoloids stop shooting innocent people. Lets count how many NRA members have conducted mass shootings in the past 20 years. An all out gun ban on progressives seems to be the solution here but that isn't the law. American's right to own firearms shall not be infringed. I will give up my firearms under no circumstances. Universal background checks are already a thing. Fully automatic weapons are already illegal. Even if someone had a fully automatic rifle they wouldn't hit shit which is why most of our military prefer 3 round burst. Once you give away your rights you won't ever get them back. BTW: I also identify as a M4A1 so I believe the government should pay for my ammo.
>>752027744
Around 8000 people are murdered with firearms each year. 80% of those are black and hispanic gang bangers killing each other for sport in gun free zone ghettos run by democrats.
It's not a problem for normal folk in conservative areas.
>>752033941
Oh yeah, I must just hate capitalism and democracy. Has nothing to with the worthless arrogant scum bags like you that make the bulk of this population.
>>752027744
Ooga booga, bang bang!
Sniff
blleed and is hurt
mmm NO POLICE MEN!!!
bed men
bad
need knives and forks
bang bang clap clap
um
>>752034165
>arrogant scum bags
You're projecting.
It's a common symptom of the mental illness that is liberalism.
>>752028274
Guns are not a problem, niggers are. It's like saying trucks are a problem, not the islamists using them.
>>752033638
That plan hasn't worked out for you guys for the last few millennium. Perhaps try another tactic?
>>752034165
>triggered
lol
>>752033654
.... $700 last time I checked... cheap??? no...
and they still check you out,.. this is not a hunting rifle, nor a shot gun, cannot walk out with one same day you fucktard... stop trying to act educated
>>752034359
I don't have a plan. The USA is destroying itself. I don't care, and there's nothing I could do anyway. If there was, I wouldn't because its not worth saving. The global order of things is always temporary, and present conditions will not continue through the next century regardless of your politics. This country is in hospice care, it isn't getting better
this bait is thedd good
>>752027744
>Get rid of guns
>Guns go to the black market
>People who would want to commit mass shootings can have guns without anyone attacking them
It's like if Lex Luthor was killing people so they got rid of superman's powers
>>752034430
You can get them for well under $500.
Of course they check you out. They do a NICS check like every single other FFL in the country. It's literally called the Instant Check system you fucking halfwit.
>>752032195
which is manned by who? U.S. Citizens. Who all took an oath to uphold the constitution, which includes the 2nd amendment.
>>752027744
guns are a zero issue, the population that hates each other is the problem. Places like switzerland require everyone to have a fully automatic rifle with ammo loaded in their house. I believe they've had one mass shooting in the last 30 years, again, a random crazy person. The issue in the US seems to be a lack of respect for life, primarily from black people (who cause ~90% of the none suicide gun violence)
>>752034494
You are literally delusional.
>>752034564
nigga, i tried last fucking week.... still waiting here in ohio
soooo...
fuck off
>>752027744
They're a problem but I have three of them anyway because I may need to kill somebody one day.
>>752034588
Gun grabbers BTFO
>>752034754
also... my shit is $700 fucking American Dollars
>>752034494
>I don't have a plan. The USA is destroying itself. I don't care, and there's nothing I could do anyway.
It's exactly how I feel, as a murican.
Doesn't matter what you do, people will not change despite what's going on.
>>752028748
WINRAR on all 3 points.
1. criminals get guns
2. because of 1 citizens need guns to protect themselves
3. immigration policy and a homogeneous population are FAR better predictors of crime than gun control laws. Look at chicago for example, most of their shooting deaths are gangs killing each other.
>>752030687
>hurr durr I'm going to give up my liberty to kill, my freedom to take what I can, and my ability to enact personal justice and vengeance, in exchange for law, order, and not getting murdered in an lawless wasteland.
>But trading this one abitrarily random freedom for safety is too much because muh guns muh freedom muh Murka
This is what Americans actually believe.
>>752034731
I know better than you. Think what you want. Everybody is telling me to leave if I hate it so much. I'm doing fine. Really it's you that should be considering leaving before you get shot in the Walmart check out but someone just like you whose finally snapped and convinced everyone in the Walmart checkout as a liberal/communist/Islamic terrorist. There will be another mass shooting next week. There's a mass shooting every week. Keep telling yourself every thing is fine. We both know it isn't.
>>752034925
... i already pointed out that People are the problem....
It always confused me why the left accused the police of being evil people who wake up in the morning aching to kill innocent Americans then in the next breath want to take all guns away from Americans making the police the only ones allowed to carry guns. The mental gymnastics it takes to become that stupid is baffling. And don't even think about saying you don't want an all out gun ban because you're voting for the politicians who want an all out gun ban. Also, why does the left claim to hate fascism yet want blatantly fascist laws? Banning freedom of speech, banning gun ownership, giving firearms to only the government, using the government to silence dissent. Again, the mental gymnastics it takes to be this stupid is almost impressive.
>>752031184
so you admit the government is doing a shitty job and your answer for their shitty (maybe shittier) job is to give them more power to keep doing a shitty job? How about fix the laws already in place? We already have background checks for every single gun purchase, why aren't they working?
queue "criminals don't actually follow laws" meme. By your logic lets just make murder illegal, problem solved.
>>752030487
How the fuck is six people being shot a mass murder? 3,287 people die of car crashes every day in the United States alone. I feel like this is the same issue as big business, unless there is a full blown war, there won't be any gun bans in the US. it's too late is what I mean. Tons of people have guns, there's no taking away what amounts to America's only culturally significant value, I wish it wasn't like this but then again I also wish for a 14 inch dick. Both things are not going to happen. There will be no gun bans in the US.
>>752035148
>lets just make murder illegal
This really would make sense to do tbh.
yo op thats a pretty cool stalk on that thing. anyone know what the model is?
>>752035197
>3,287 people die of car crashes every day in the United States alone.
this. cars kills more people than guns ever.
gun control is freedom control.
nothing more nothing less.
>>752034969
reductio ad absurdum
but you already knew that
>>752035197
no one cares about facts, guns are only an emotional topic. When the gun control debate starts one side rationally thinks and explains their point of view and one side screams "but guns are evil and kill children" and thats about the extent it every goes.
As someone who is staunchly pro gun, like repel the MG ban of 86 pro gun, I do wish we didn't have fuck wit retards running our background checks. Like the air force forgot to file the paperwork that would have barred the texas church shooter from buying a gun? Come on, don't be fucking retarded about it.
>>752035116
they arent a logical people. and i say that not disparagingly, but just as a fact. the type of people who are leftists have a very specific type of personality and mental cognition. they are reactive, lack independence, highly emotional, brash, narcissistic. many have generally good intentions but the thought process and reasoning to understand the consequences beyond tomorrow are missing. im pretty sure science will confirm this someday, it might be a brain development or nature vs nurture type of explanation but i expect someday science will answer why some people are split into radical left, and others to the center or to the right
>>752035197
Because apparently multi-victim shootings are a rarity in America to the point any more than two is considered a "mass shooting", while reading the newspaper about how many people got killed this week because of a drunk driver or someone texting behind the wheel is stale news.
>>752034494
>This country is in hospice care, it isn't getting better
I can envision it going that way. Obama opened the gates and Hillary was going to be the mass flood. Just goes to show, you should always have a backup plan... and a big fucking gun!
>>752031807
Yeah, look at all of those countries with gun control. Every single one is a totalitarian dicta- what? You mean the overwhelming majority are open and democratic?
They include literally every other English-speaking nation on the planet?
Huh. I guess you're a paranoid idiot.
If the government wanted to 'take away all your guns', they'd do so.
28th Amendment; repeal the 2nd.
29th Amendment; outlaw guns
Then the police SWAT with their tactical gear, armour-peircing rounds, and snipers, take out anyone who tries to fight back because you have to be literally insane to believe a civilian coil stand up to a tyrannical government in the day and age.
>>752035463
Do you think using Latin phrases makes you look smarter or something?
>>752035440
It's almost as if the criminals didn't hand in their guns.
i support some gun control measures
>reasonable waiting period. maybe 3-5 days
>background checks
i'm fine with these
>>752027744
Yes OP it is. Americunt is pretty much fucked tho so who gives a fuck. Let them murder each other and make the world a better place 1 nigger, jew or redneck at a time
>>752035637
ok. you're arguing the absurd. better now?
>Me in a few years
>>752035613
Clearly you don't understand how gorilla warfare works. How was it people fucking goats living in caves were able to hold off the full force of the US military for what 12 years in Iraq? There's a reason you don't need nukes, tanks, or aircraft carriers to win wars. If you want to secure cities you need small arms and teams of people that literally go door to door.
How many people are going to go door to door on day 2 when only half those who left came home after the first day of your masturbation fantasy about gun confiscation?
>>752032113
You know it isn't special right?
A majority of countries have a constitution.
It's literally just a framework you build a government around. It's mutable, it's debatable, and it's fallible.
It's not like some sort of magic, righteous word of god or anything.
>>752035740
Yes but I'm not the fag you were arguing with. Just making an observation.
>>752035777
Nice trips nigga.
>>752032695
Australian gun violence has decreased retard.
Australia hasn't had a mass shooting in the 21 years since gun control was introduced.
America has had like three since breakfast today.
>>752034547
Nice summary.
>>752034754
>>752034813
Find a better gun store.
>>752035975
Gun crime went down but all other crime went up
Same with britain.
Violent crimes will happen whether guns are available or not
>>752034969
You're not actually trading freedom for safety, though.
You're trading freedom for the delusion that you're safer.
>>752035804
Iraq wasn't invaded by 'a tyrannical government', they had to follow the rules of war.
Otherwise they COULD have glassed the whole country, but they were pretending to be heroes.
Secondly, the US Army is a bunch of idiots with lacklustre training and no psychological stability.
You invest in toys, not soldiers.
Third, your last sentence makes no fucking sense.
>>752035023
This is some serious psychosis.
People rarely get shot in Walmart, barring the ones in ghettos. There are not mass shootings every week.
You seriously need to be institutionalized.
>>752035605
It's not like I don't have guns, but the fact that you think that makes you safer is amusing to say the least. If anything, in a shtf scenario it makes you a priority target for other armed people with lower moral and ethical standards.
>>752027744
>Are guns a problem in the states? Will you be willing to give up your weapons if it means a safer tomorrow?
Brown people and people on psychotropics are a problem. And no.
>>752035669
oh wonder what a surprise
Naw just get rid of the niggers and the gun problem will be almost gone.
>>752035613
>believe a civilian coil stand up to a tyrannical government in the day and age.
Tell that to those vietnamese rice farmers lol
>>752036257
>You invest in toys, not soldiers
Not to mention US soldiers when they get back from duty are treated like dogshit after almost getting their head blown off by a random AK round
>>752036301
You take everything so literally I think it's you that needs to be institutionalized for terminal autism.
>>752027744
Will you give up being a whiny little bitch? did not think so..
What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand?
Do I need to get the crayons out again
>>752027744
no guns=less safe
just look at the statistics you lazy cunt. since gun control started becoming a thing, firearm sales shot way the fuck up, and crime rates went down because of it
>>752035197
Hey if the liberals want to claim there have been 400 mass shootings this year, I'm game.
Own up to who is committing them.
You can't claim there are 400 mass shootings and then claim it's all white guys after two white guys commit a mass shooting.
>ITT: asshurt libitchs & numale cucks bawling their eyes out over big bad gunz
lol
>>752035572
It has to be genetic.
I'm not sure we're even the same species.
>>752035613
>it's another mentally ill liberal who thinks the military he spits on is going to go door to door slaughtering tax payers for him
I'm actually all for those laws.
A week later we wouldn't have any more liberals.
>>752035572
>ywn be a Korean shopkeeper sniping rioters from your rooftop and defending your store
why even live
>>752035713
Rednecks aren't generally involved in gun crime.
>>752032913
That's right
Look up joe biden's thoughts on the civilians who stopped that texas church shooter.
>>752036501
>What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand?
the second has already been infringed
you fake-fag get out of here
>>752027744
Guns are not the problem.
The vast majority of gun deaths are from suicides -- something having access to a firearm does not necessarily facilitate, as studies have proven that someone determined to kill themselves will find the means -- and gang violence.
If those two statistics are removed and the violence rate is recalculated, the US drops far below many other countries for gun violence. We're already not at the top, and the rest of the top ten are mostly countries with strict gun control.
The rest of this bullshit is propagandic scare tactics.
To actually address the two biggest reasons for firearms-related deaths will take a lot of hard work, but the anti-gun people just want a single-step solution. Reducing gang violence, improving the mentality of people in the inner city, is a vastly different process from reducing suicide deaths. One involves community outreach, meet-and-greets with police, teaching kids that crime is not OK and the police are not out there to hurt you. The other relies on making it OK to seek help for harmful thoughts, improving the availability of help, and the like.
But again, it's easier to blame the firearm, and ignore the actual problems.
>>752027744
Canadian Gun owner here, just got my Famae SIG 542, a .308 semi auto. also bought a bayonet for it. I think canada (besides the stupid prohibited class) has the best gun control. we can still own milspec firearms without the crime
>>752036386
You use hyperbole and lies to justify your dementia.
Time for the rubber room and a thorazine drip.
>>752036889
We're working on that.
>>752034547
By outlawing guns and reducing the number of gun shops from like 1 per 10 people to 0, you make guns harder to get.
Today, someone buys a gun for $500 legally, sells to the black market for $650.
However, it at every stage that weapon is illegal, and it has to be smuggled in, hidden, etc, the person selling has a greatly increased risk, and so the price goes up. Instead, the gun sells for $2000 on the black market.
Budget criminals can only afford one gun instead of 4, or maybe can't buy any.
It's literally more like drugs. You can buy aspirin for $3 for 20 pills; but you'd be hard pressed to get the equivelant amount of cocaine for less than $200.
Yeah, it hasn't completely eliminated illicit drugs, but it certainly makes them costly, hard to get, and relatively uncommon, compared to legal drugs like paracetamol or coffee.
>>752036896
>posts statistics in a language no one wants to read
>>752037010
You wouldn't be so focused on responding to me of you hadn't considered the same things. You haven't accepted the inevitable. It's adorable.
>>752037082
fair enough. go buy a glock 25 and let me know how that works out for you
>>752037144
>Yeah, it hasn't completely eliminated illicit drugs, but it certainly makes them costly, hard to get, and relatively uncommon
Are you high?
>>752027744
Lets say I give up my gun. Some one breaks into my home and plans on cutting my head off and raping my eyes sockets. They have a knife and is blacking the stairs leaning down stairs, blocking any form of other protection means like a knife of my own. I then lock myself in my bed room and call 911. Before they can get to my home, the killer broke down my door because internal doors are easy as fuck to kick down. I had a gun before and would have had it hidden in my bed room but since I was told guns are bad I gave it up 100%. On a scale of 1 to 10 how fucked do you think they eye stocks are assuming the quickest police will get to my home will be roughly 5 -10 mins?
>>752027744
Stricter gun control is idiotic. Laws only affect the lawful. Further restricting gun ownership will only leave the innocent defenseless while the criminals will still be purchasing firearms however they please. The only reason these mass shootings happen is because nobody is able to quickly end them. And that is only because the vast majority of citizens do not cary personal protection. Gun ownership is at an all time low, which makes for a very at risk society. The shooter in Texas was stopped by an armed civilian only after he killed 26 innocents. Thats only because the criminal happened to encounter the one armed and well prepared citizen out of hundreds of thousands. No legal guns = more illegal guns. More illegal guns = more crime. More crime + more illegal guns = more innocent deaths
>>752032699
Robber was a douche, didnt deserve to die. The goods would have been insured, theres no need to have a gun.
>>752037208
Why on earth would I want a glock 25?
>>752037270
>didn't deserve to die
so you'd prefer to let him live another day so he can practice his nignoggin on another place.
>>752036180
Yeah, we Australians are just terrified of those mass stabbings.
Oh wait, no, we aren't, it's pretty safe here. Whoops again mister. Got any source for those made-up stats or do you just get them from Infowars?
>>752037270
Of course they deserved to die.
How fucked up is your psyche if you think it's okay to rob people if they're insured.
>>752037082
Damn coastcucks. They need to be purged.
>>752037221
that's why you have a large calibre dog :)
>>752037208
>go buy a glock
stop
>>752037208
>go buy a glock 25
>>752028274
I whole-heartily support this and I don't identify as any part of being conservative
>>752037315
boy, you're dumb.
i said the second has been infringed
you presented a strawman
i suggested buying a glock 25 hoping you were smart enough to know those are for LE and military only demonstrating how the 2nd has been infringed
got it now?
>>752036501
>What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand?
The militia part
>>752037209
No. Are you retarded?
Go to your local Walmart and try to buy some heroin.
Then, try to buy some firearms and bullets.
I don't get why you Americans have this retarded notion that "If you can't completely eliminate it, it's not even worth trying to reduce it".
>>752037363
Australia doesn't exist
>>752037540
why the hell would I want a glock?
>>752037270
It wasn't the goods, the shop owners lives were in danger, thank goodness for the 2nd Amendment in this case.
>>752035669
the goverment doesnt fear the criminals.
criminals only rob the people.
>>752037684
you really are this stupid. i can't help you.
