If the planet was this hot 115 thousand years ago, when there were no man made forms of pollution to add to the problem, then surely we can't be held responsible for the warming of the planet now days.
>>751995369
This whole problem is playing on the narcissistic tendencies of the public (especially the leftist snowflakes). The moon, Mars and even Jupiter and Saturn anre rising in temperature.
Either they admit to their colonization of these other worlds or they shove the argument up their colon.
>>751995369
What humans are responsible for is the acceleration of rising temperatures, not just high temperatures.
Meaning that because of humans the temperature the earth would've climbed in 500~1000 years are being accomplished in far shorter time.
Then again, that might also means the next ice age is coming sooner.
Also, sage goes in all fields.
>>751995609
But the rise in temperature among other bodies within our system is comparable to Earth's increase. It's just a big guess that people accept because the only figures they've ever seen are from our own planet.
>>751995369
It's all about not informing of the time scale properly.
Climate change it's natural, it's just that- it needs millions of years to complete.
the planet is supposed to change over time, but not this fast. at the current rate of change its possible that we alter the climate enough to kill ourselves.
time 0 is now. this is the last 420,000 years.
i assume you knew this because you specified "115 thousand". what do you get out of this bullshit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM8GPxN6XwM
>>751995846
Just because we've been here for a shorter period of time than the sun doesn't mean that we're a larger influence on temperature fluctuation.
>>751995607
>herpderpmuhleftistathiestcommunist.
>>751997432
To think that my investments in order to build a factory that produces your favorite tennis shoes is a form of violence is brainwashing. To recognize that a giant ball of fire in the sky is a bigger influence on the mahor bodies of the solar system and, thusly, our planet's climate than cow farts is just common sense and is supported by proper [read: not propagandised] science.
>>751995369
That's retarded logic.
>>751995369
i posted the graph of the last 420000 years. it's natural now.
even if it were caused by coal and oil, all the coal and oil will be burned in 150 years so it'll fix itself after that.
>>751995369
In the hadean eon the surface temperature of the earth was 230 °C (446 °F)
Fucking numbnut that doesnt mean anything.
bad bait
NASA noe says icecaps are growing
>>751995369
>>751995607
>>751995799
>>751995998
>>751998378
ITT climate change denier shills spouting Exxon talking points.
sad
>>751995369
all the dinosaurs died out but they were not killed by guns, so it is fine to put this gun in my mouth and pull the trigger.
or in real terms, different times result in different results. The warm period then was caused by natural processes which we understand and can account for, the warming period now is entirely unnatural and man made emissions account for it.
also so what that the earth was steaming hell hole millions of years ago - that does not make it good for it to be like that with us alive on it...
>>751995369
>warming isn't our fault
>great, let's keep shitting the bed like we have been, surely nothing bad will happen
God damn I hope we continue to be this stupid & never wise up; time for us to kill ourselves off
>what is the holocene extinction
Most intelligent species known to exist, and still retarded dumbasses
>>751995998
vostok temperatures are from on single location - not global temperatures, and cannot be used alone - real scientists use multi location temperature charts and they do not support this simple, simplistic and deliberately misleading conclusion.
TLDNR - fuck off with your shill science.
>>752001218
What sad is that you climate changes fucks keeping getting caught faking data and suppressing contrary findings. You can’t even keep your own fucking story straight: “It’s global warming...wait no it’s climate change....wait no...”
>>752001373
>the earth was steaming hell hole millions of years ago - that does not make it good for it to be like that with us alive on it
Yes, it absolutely does; as then we'll no longer be alive. Extinction is what we deserve. We're too stupid & greedy to exist.
>>752001632
>i’m a neckbeard fuck with no life so the whole species sucks and should be eradicated
Just kill yourself you distended sphincter.
>>751995998
do you notice a difference between the peaks on this graph? All previous hot spots rise steadily to reach a maximum (with a strange dip in the pre 400000 year peak) the current peak has not acted like that. it has averaged out at a lower peak temperature - well below the 0.0 line, and only after thousands of years has it suddenly spiked -
Given that these previous peaks are all associated with end of glacial periods that have subsequent CO2 rises and that this accelerates the climate warming, but that this peak is not associated with a end of glacial period event, and the CO2 rise is associated with man made emissions, perhaps this chart actually shows how the current temperature spike is NOT like previous ones, and entirely undermines your point...
science bro, learn to do it.
>>751997758
except that it isn't supported by the science because the science clearly shows that the sun is not forcing the temperature rise.
>>752001766
We'll happily eradicate ourselves & every other form of life to keep our economies from taking a dip. Too stupid to exist.
>>751998378
no it won't - the increase in CO2 is we burned ALL the coal and oil would be very severe - raising temperatures by several degrees, possibly over ten degrees - a massive incease in energy in the atmosphere meaning huge storm systems - we could end up with year long planet wide hurricanes at worst estimate.
also the loss of CO2 from the atmosphere is slow it will take many centuries to come down again.
learn some basic science before talkig about this stuff, please.
Mind you if we add the methane from the permafrost melting and actually we are probably already totally fucked, but there is no point in being silly about this contrarian denial of the facts.
>>752001896
You people are too stupid, too self-absorbed, and too busy trying prove you’re “green” that you can’t recognize the fact that economic trouble kills people a lot fucking faster.
You’re a complete fucking tool.
>>752001508
like I said exxon talking point shills telling lies again
>>752001632
please, do what you think you deserve and die - it will help to slow climate change and the world will be a better place.
>>752002025
>economic trouble kills people a lot fucking faster
Good, we need fewer people around. It'll make our impacts on the ecosystem of the ONLY PLANET WE KNOW OF PROVEN TO HARBOR & BE ABLE TO SUPPORT LIFE, PERIOD a lot less severe. But no, let's just keep fucking with it.
>>752002004
You just pulled that “model” right out of your ass and your ass is obviously retarded. You’re leaving out the fucking obvious effect of C02 on plant life in general and algae in particular.
Your idea of “knowing science” is reading a greenpeace brochure.
>>752002025
do you think that climate change is not already causing economic trouble? or that it won't cause enormous economic disasters?
not keeping up with the news much are you?
>>752002081
I'm at the end of the line. There's at least 6 billion in front of me that need to go first. Will happily an hero then.
>>752002004
"Learn basic sience", lol
How I feel is more important than a book that man has written.
>>751995751
>>751995607
You have a sauce for this
I'd like to spam to friends
>>752002043
So, you’ve got nothing. You’re just as full of shit as the University of East Anglia.
>>752002116
nigger, I don't believe global warming is even real let alone caused by man cause god said he'll never send a flood again, so we're good. Also, the earth is a disk, don't let the scientists tell you otherwise, they're in cahoots with the government.
>>752002116
Not only are you retarded, you’re arrogant. Thinking that humans have the capacity to end all life on earth is the epitome of fucking idiocy.
I get it: you don’t get laid and don’t have a job. Fantazing about the apocalypse ain’t gonna help you choad polisher.
>>752002182
No, I don’t.
Name five credible instances. I double fucking dare you.
>>752002116
As I see it you need AT LEAST 10 stupid fucking morons to produce one vaguely forward and smart individual. You need an economic and technological advance to conquer space beyond this round blue ball.
To provide that advance you need a support structure for the smart and motivated; that also means living alongside said fuckheads and pretending to get along. The problem is that I'm one of the individuals looking forward, I work for an aerospace company and live/breathe the technological advance of humans everyday. I also have to drive to work daily on my fuel sipping motorbike.
The problem is that same structure that allows me to do that allows some stupid single mother with 5 half cast black kids in a massive SUV to run me the fuck down.
If I think about it too hard I'll probably explode, my family are all drug addict baby factories and I sit here like picrelated.jpg
>>752002319
I never said shit about warming nor climate change; in fact I hate both terms as they give greedy fucks easy out from accepting responsibility for constantly shitting the bed in the name of strong economics. Rest of your statement is just troll bullshit.
>>752002325
>Thinking that humans have the capacity to end all life on earth
I'm hoping it'll just be us; but the other life cursed to live under our dominion likely won't be that fortunate. We absolutely fucking do have the capacity, and it doesn't even have to be intentional. We still don't even fucking understand WHY our planet harbors life in a way no other planet we know of does, so thinking we can't possibly fuck it up, especially when that conveniently enables us to keep on with our bullshit, is fucking retardedly arrogant.
>>751995369
Please read a book.
>>752002176
the obvious effect is more luxuriant and faster growth.
sadly this will not be sufficient to absorb all the CO2 rapidly - which should be obvious even to a denier like you since it has not been able to do so up til now, and the excess that cannot be absorbed is rising each year. It will take centuries to be absorbed by plant life (which only temporarily traps carbon anyway - it is released when the plant rots, unless it is stored like coal or oil)
also, the increased growth is less nutritious - we have already seen a fall in nutritional content in many crops - we are facing a possibility that people will starve while eating more.
and the model with the hurricanes - as I said, very extreme, but it was in a paper I saw in Paris - a what happens if the worst really happens session which was absolutely fucking terrifying, even though the outcomes were rated as extremely unlikely.
>>751995369
Jesus Christ you're a retard . Planets cool down as they age. I mean seriously, how do you function being this fucking stupid?
For those who question or deny climate change, please think of this;
Imagine, hypothetically, that climate change is actually real and is as bad as the scientists say. Imagine that the world collectively got together and did something about it - got the world to run on renewables, consume less energy etc etc. The world would be a better place overall.
Now imagine that climate change is actually nonsense, but the everyone believed it was real and improved the world to "fix" it anyway - we'd be better off for living standards and technological advancements. Even if climate change was a hoax we'd still be better off.
Now imagine climate change is real, but nobody believes it and the world does nothing to improve itself. The end result is we're all fucked and the world is irreparably damaged.
Which scenario would you rather live in, the one where we do something about it and live better lives? Or the one where everyone denies it. I'm saying even if it is bullshit, it's better to improve the world rather than sit on our arses fighting over if climate change is real or not.
>>752002534
You are not interesting.
You are not deep.
You have no special inight.
You do not feel things more than anyone else.
You’re just a another loser trying make yourself feel better with delusions of grandeur.
>>752002236
ah, so you really are a shill for Exxon.
You ever read those emails? you ever read their work? you ever look at the data they make freely available on the internet?
no you just spout oil company paid for shit, because you think it makes you look clever - or at least cleverer than thousands of highly trained and hard working scientists who actually spend their lives studying this stuff.
fuck off ignorant shill.
>>752002526
If you were even a tenth as capable as you think you are, you’d be working for SpaceX.
>>752002704
You're an idiot, Anon. That argument died about 3 billion years ago.
This is climate, not crustal warming and cooling. 115,000 years is nothing.
BTW, the ice age ending also destroys your stupid argument.
>>752002805
You can keep saying that, it won’t change anything.
How retarded are you? UofEA got caught redhanded falsifying data, suppressing contrary research, and encouraging others to use the peer review system to suppress all contrary research and your dumb ass suggests reading their research as fact?
You’re just another retarded sophomore that thinks screaming about petrol companies will get blue-hairded chicks to fuck you.
>>752002227
Of course he doesn’t, it’s retarded denialism.
Records will only have been kept reliably for Saturn for max 50 years. And unlike on earth we have no way of knowing the historical temperatures.
>>752002395
check your local farmers - ask if they have noticed any difference.
better grape production in south of England. Worse apple production is south of england - the species that live there are not warmth tolerant.
collapse of cod fisheries in the atlantic and north seas - not just over fishing, but the water is too warm in the north sea.
syrian civil war - look into the causes.
economic migration from north africa
bangladesh.
need we mention the unprecedented hurricane series this summer in the USA? how much did that cost?
check out oceanic acidification and the effects on the fishing industry and come back to me.
>>752002805
Pretty fixated on Exxon there.
>>752002734
you know this applies in spades to climate change deniers, don't you?
>>752002734
And you have no counterarguments to justify our bullshit. Only ad hominems.
>>752003062
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>752002642
Bullshit.
This is how you climate fucks do business: by pulling “facts” out of your ass. When you get caught, you just do the same. When you keep getting your ass handed to you you try ridicule.
Current mathematical and technical understanding are totally insufficient to make a fucking weather forecast longer than a couple of days but you jerkoffs have no problem pretending that you can tell what the entire global climate is going to do decades in advance.
The climate change industry is nothing more than a means to try to slow down emerging economies without having to go to war.
>>752003221
Because the US in an "emerging economy".
>>752002726
Take your tarted up Pascal’s wager, roll it up, and push it up your cock.
By that fucking logic we’d better drop everything and starting on weaponized magic in case Cthulhu wakes up and enlaves the world. It’s just a story, completely made up, BUT WHAT IF?
You people would more convincing if you weren’t tryning to make money on the back end with carbon credits.
>>752003145
No, it doesn’t.
There’s nothing to deny. Y’all aren’t even in the same zip code of the ball park of proving that anthropomophic climate change exists.
>>752002820
Funnily enough you'll find SpaceX are cool but have a different focus to us. I talked to Bill Gerstenmaier not that long ago and how NASA operates especially around the SLS project and his thoughts were interesting. Basically as you become more established some of the ways of doing things become more entrenched, he's talked to a few startups and their fresh approaches are very endearing and clever. But established companies with company IP and internal resistance to change aren't able to change a design to suit as fast.
I'm also consistently amazed at the level of homebrew tech brought to the table sometimes too, we saved an extraordinary amount of money on a piece of manufacturing equipment because we built something in house for 400 times less. This is the side of things I'm involved in and am hoping in time that I can start my own business from it.
>>752003364
Well personally I think climate change is more believable than cthulu but meh. All this argument is pointless anyway the world is already fucked and in more ways than one.
>>751995369
This headline is so absolutely meaningless.
It's basically saying 'climate change responsible for the climate having changed!'
FFS, we know there is fucking climate change. The question is to what degree it is natural climate change and how much of it is man made.
>>751995369
We are not necessarily responsible for the warming of the climate but geo-enineering will destroy the planet I think by 2040 if we continue at this rate
>>752003166
>muh fallacies
Sell that shit to redditors.
Since you’re all into logic, you must be aware that I don’t *need* a fucking counterargument. See, you actually have to fucking prove your proposal. Y’all don’t prove shit and can’t prove shit. You just put on a smug look and pretend that you undertand science. Funny how y’all are always liberal arts students but are positive that you have a total grasp on nonlinear dynamical systems.
>>752002964
sorry, but I got my PhD thirty years ago - and yes the East Anglia boys got caught - not falsifying data by the way that is a lie, a deliberate miscontruction that anyone reading the emails would see (obviously you have not, you have just read the partisan and lying reports of deniers, who really do falsify and misrepresent data at an industrial scale of lies)
they got caught saying they would rather destroy their data than give it to lying twisting pseudo scientists paid by oil companies to make up lies.
they caught saying they would rather see those lying fucks given no platform for their lying fuckery.
that is fine by me.
that is responsible scientific behaviour. That is pest control.
name one real scientist doing "contrary research"
>>752003102
read this
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2006/sep/19/ethicalliving.g2
>>752003062
So, your method of proof is taking any negative event you’ve seen a headline for and blaming climate change. If you’re retarded enough to think that the weather had something to do with Syria, you aren’t able to leave the house without getting hit by a car or punched in the mouth.
/thread
>>752003466
So, you read a lot of stuff on the net, have really strong opinions, but don’t acutally do anything?
>>752003673
hey man, if it was 100 degrees every day and there was sand and brown people everywhere I would be pretty pissed.
>>752003221
>When you keep getting your ass handed to you you try ridicule.
where in >>752002642
did I use ridicule?
those were all factually correct statements
unless you have proof otherwise? what was incorrect?
>>752003533
Then shut the fuck up about it.
>>752003725
? Lol no.
I'm just being a bit vague down to what I do being of interest to several parties as well as myself for future career/business interests. #sorryyou'retriggeredbythis
>>752003613
Let me guess, your PhD is in linguistics. Maybe, literary theory?
> That is pest control.
And there it is. You have no scientific credibility whatsoever. Much like the rest of your kind.
>>752003613
I have read the e-mails, and you sir, are deliberately misrepresenting their content to further your own agenda, they were caught lying and deliberately talking up the climate change by playing with and changing the numbers.
Name one scientist only doing research into climate change, don't name a "celebrity" scientist, but a genuine scientist doing actual research in an actual scientific establishment.
No, you can't pull the name of an actual scientist out of your ass either, google some and claim you could if you must but don't be that guy.
>>752003221
ITT people who do not understand the difference between climate and weather.
I can predict that world temperatures will on average increase over long periods of time by simple physics - No-one is suggesting that we can predict what the weather will be like in a hundred years time on christmas day in Dogtown Alabama
straw man is straw
>>752003877
Oh, right. Of course. How could I possibly have missed your obvious business acumen?
>>752003735
It’s the fucking desert. What would you expect?
>>752003968
i would expect it to be inhospitable.
>>751995607
yep this is true, the sun is in play here
>>752003416
so climate change deniers are interesting deep,have no special insight and feel things more than anyone else.
They are not just another loser trying make themselves feel better with delusions of grandeur.
really?
well whatever it takes for you to get through he day. But i suspect your self esteem would be better raised by learning something and not just bullshitting to yourself and everyone else.
>>751995609
You know what that means right?
>Brace yourselves, winter is coming.
>>751995369
This. Climate change is real, it's very much a fact, our climate has changed continually throughout the history of the planet. Man-made climate change to the degree that these government-paid shill scientists promote is where the BS starts the enter the equation.
>>752003931
Look I have no idea what I want to do in the future. I'm as clueless as anyone on here down to your typical stoner who's lost in the world. Only difference is I'm just currently some fucking how working in aerospace through chance.
Just how it goes son
>>751995799
>Climate change it's natural
/thread
>>752004068
Stop being a fucking idiot. That is obviously referring specifically to one person.
>>751995369
That's not exactly sound logic, that's like saying "since trash was the reason my apartment smelled bad last week then my farts can't be held responsible for it stinking right now."
>>752003613
I remember thirty years ago that the same bodies crying global warming today were claiming (with proof) that the next ice age was nigh, the difference is there is no funding, interest or tax dollars to be had.
The global warming scam has seen nations introduce dozens of tax increases and new taxes to pay for all of the woes that global warming has brought us, stealth taxes we willingly pay because we care about the Earth, but what is this money actually spent on?
Trillions of dollars worldwide and we have windfarms and solar farms to show for it?
I'm calling bullshit on all this.
I'm not totally close-minded, I think that if there were global warming on the scale described then a lot of people would be a lot more upset, what with the massive loss of life coming to Africa... wait, would anyone notice?
As for the rest of us, well, if this warming delayed the next ice age, wouldn't that be a good thing as far more people would die if that were to happen and we're due another one of those no matter what we do anytime now.
>>751995369
so far there is no science that proves man affects climate change, just correlation with the existence of man and a rising climate. the climate has been warming since far before industry and fossil fuels.
There is no man made global warming. It's 100% politically driven and force fed at school which is why there are such ardent (and blind) believers today. Carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas. Bill Nye is not a scientist.
>>752004167
Being clueless is hardly a virtue.
>>752004233
Sometimes it is Anon.
>>751995369
Logical fallacy .
That’s like arguing that a global nuclear war wouldn’t be responsible for a nuclear winter because 65 million years ago a meteorite hit the earth.
Did you even stop fur a minute to consider if the causes of historical warming are relevant to the current warming period?
No, because you’re fucking retarded
>>752004139
>government-paid shill scientists
Yes, governments are well known for funding conspiracies that argue for turning down the economy. Fortunately we have a lot of heroic corporate lobbyists to counteract these destructive tendencies, but how long these brave souls will be able to resist the tide (which is NOT rising, sheeple) is anyone's guess.
>>751995369
>>held responsible
Are we going to get in trouble?
>>752001831
Nice try, Pluto. You might not be getting as much of the heat, but we in the inner circle feel it for real.
>>752004220
An oversimplification.
>>752004279
wow hahaha, your comparison is bad, not even close. Earth has had gigantic movements of temperature over the years, nothing to worry about kid.
>>752004220
Trumps climatologists were ordered to find an alternate explanation for man made climate change - they concluded that there was NO better candidate for explaining the current warming period OTHER than human activity.
And that’s coming from paid Trump shills.
Face it - there’s no global conspiracy , you’re just fucking retarded
>>751995607
Did anyone really think that /b/ isn't stupid enough to fall for the blatant fossil fuel industry shills' repeatable one-liners after they've already decided net neutrality is a bad thing? At this point it's just funny how they think they're being edgy and running against the tide when in fact they're being lead around like cattle.
>>752004276
Keep it up then.
>>752004479
nobody cares about net neutrality you fucking nerd faggot. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival, I know that game doesnt require internet
>>752004139
Agreed fully. Climate change is real, but the pattern of the last decade adressing it has been ineffective.
>give scientists million dollar budgets
>5 years later "yup, shits gettin warmer"
>gee, sure am glad we funded that, really saving the world here, so uhhh.... lets fuckin buy "carbon credits" or some bullshit
Repead ad nauseum. Thats all the paris agreement was going to be, theyre just pissed Trump didn't fall for it and the US isnt willing to subsidize it and now theyre stuck with a big expensive useless piece of reelection bait that they hadnt planned on paying for.
>>752004435
Over geological ages yes, not in 2 centuries.
Your comparison to historical warming periods is what’s retarded and makes no sense
>>752004301
>97% of """scientists""" reliant on climate change funding agree climate changes
Powerful stuff. Keep me posted.
>>752004489
Lol? The fuck is even going on. I'm being trolled
>>752004527
are you mad?
projecting much?
>>752004614
nobody cares about net neutrality you fucking nerd faggot. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival, I know that game doesnt require intern
>>752004605
>I'm being trolled
a stunning revelation in 2017
>>752004279
You should probably read up on the vostock ice cores before you make an ass of yourself.
The climate has been changing for the last four and a half billion years.
>>751995609
>What humans are responsible for is the acceleration of rising temperatures, not just high temperatures.
Oh yeah? Well, go and say it to china, india, russia and other shitholes of the world. Protip: you cant, and it won't work
>>752004649
ctrl c ctrl v
>>752004688
nobody cares about net neutrality you fucking nerd faggot. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival, I know that game doesnt require internet
>>752004600
Retard.
A scientist who could PROVE climate change wasn’t real would be heralded as a genius.
So far, none have been able to PROVE anything in the face of universal consensus.
That’s a pretty sure sign that the current model is pretty accurate.
All you’ve got to back up your retarded ideology is “nope”.
Kill yourself>>752004605
>>751995609
>What humans are responsible for is the acceleration of rising temperatures, not just high temperatures.
The climate is always changing. It's changed who knows how many times since the Earth's atmosphere was formed. Furthermore, there's no empirical proof that humans are causing the current climate change. If there was then it wouldn't be a debate, it'd be fact.
>>751995369
I think climate change is the least of our problems, we need to worry about the trend in our society toward ignorance and lack of education and denial of the scientific method. This will be the true fall of our "great empire".
>>752004721
the "scientists" are nothing more than "smart people" with their hands out to government looking for money, and the government is the one with the agenda that puts the money in the their hands.
>>752004672
china and india, previously the biggest offenders, are even making strides ahead of the US in terms of going "green." They'll pass us up soon and we'll be the most polluted shithole of the 1st world at the rate cheetoman is going.
>>752004707
Are (You) getting paid for your (You)s? If not you should consider signing up, my friend.
>>752004733
>there's no empirical proof that humans are causing the current climate change. If there was then it wouldn't be a debate, it'd be fact.
Amen to that.
>>752004660
At what rate has the climate been changing .
No one is arguing it doesn’t change, what’s being debated is the rate of change and the cause.
You have NO explanation for the rate and cause....ergo, you’re fucking retarded
>>752004818
nobody cares about net neutrality you fucking nerd faggot. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival, I know that game doesnt require internet
>>752004721
Only if you fight me bro. Good luck with that.
>>752004600
>reliant on climate change funding
Oh yeah, that big climate change research gravy train. It's a shame the other areas of scientific research haven't managed to capitalize on their results this way. The climate scientists are raking in the dough just publishing anything they like, while the rest struggle to produce real science. The fools.
>>752003880
lol, no neuroscience.
Looking at brainstem death and brain death, PVS and the possibility of "locked in syndrome" and trying to develop clinical tests that reliably diagnose the various states.
I am not a climate scientist - I was a physiologist. a long time ago. But I got into electronics (developed a little device, went into manufacturing, had fun, made money) retired a few years ago, but I knew people in the climate research area and got involved a little - was in the local university Climate research group, went to a few conferences. Saw Micheal Mann, and Alan Myles, and a few others. One of the most interesting guys I met was an environmental political philosopher, John Barry from Belfast. His stuff is worth reading. (yes I know not a scientist, but a very smart guy who has a big scientific backing)
ad what is wrong with pest control when you are being pestered by paid shills and liars?
you think that Einstein should have given equal time and access to pholgiston theorists?
>>752004824
It IS a fact, climatologists are unified in agreement.
Only retarded trolls are arguing against it, who are conspicuously missing their climatology degrees
>>752004848
>nobody cares about global warming you fucking nigger faggot. why dont you go to a climate skeptic festival, I know that game doesnt require a brain
>>752004779
lay off the moonshine cletus, would help clear that head of yours a bit
>>752004912
hey man, I took an environmental science class in college.
>>751995369
We have almost no effect on climate change. Climate change is the term being used now cause global warming didn't happen and they look like asses now. We are currently in a 15 year decline in global temps, despite ipcc using very few temp guages in hot parking lots and airports or under air conditioning units, and not even around the globe. This is real look it up.
So the real topic is man made co2. The hard science is that co2 is a very mild greenhouse gas and only consist of 3.5-4% of the atmospheric greenhouse gasses. 95% is water vapor, the number one biggest greenhouse gas. Co2 is good for the planet actually. It's mostly released in glacial ice melt and ocean temperature rise, then absorbed again during cooling and re-glaciation. Why blame co2? Because you can't tax the ocean...
Government spends 4 billion a year to pay scientists to manipulate data and charts to make it seem like we are the ones responsible. That money could of solved the problem if there actually was one. Please go out and do your own unbiased independent research about this instead of listening to political paid science and tv or Al Gore(not a scientist), and don't deny it either just to jump on a bandwagon. Do the actual research and you'll see how fake it is.
Regarding a point earlier about how the terms "climate change" and "global warming" are used. Climate change is a more general category that includes among other things ocean acidification, decreasing number of species alive, changes in local ecosystems, global warming, changes in frequency of extreme weather events, changes in crop growth et c. This podcast by Stuff You Should Know I think explains it pretty well: https://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/global-warming.htm
The IPCC made all arguments I could make about climate change and probabilities regarding causes of said changes better than I would. So here's a link to the summary of IPCC's fifth report, from 2014 https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/AR5_SYR_FINAL_SPM.pdf And the link to where you can find the full report. https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/
Maybe you disagree or agree with the IPCC report. But it's probably more enlightening than any arguments that I or anyone else in this thread would come up with. Maybe there is a similar source that would bring up the best (ie built on empirical studies and logical reasoning) arguments for a very low or low probability of a) global warming happening at all, b) man-made causes being the main driving factors behind global warming, if it is happening. And I believe that in order for the arguments to be sound, there needs to be some kind of probability estimation, since nothing in life except like "I think therefore I am" or mathematical axioms, which we decide ourselves what they are, is 100% certain. Basically, if it requires empirical observation, there is always a degree of uncertainty. So how much of a probability of global warming being something human intervention can affect are we prepared to accept before we decide to do something? And even if global warming would be unrelated to human activity (which according to the IPCC is extremely unlikely), wouldn't it be worth dealing with other parts of climate change?
>>752003916
for names see>>752004901
but I notice that even with google you cannot name a single real scientist doing contrary research.
not one. even with google.
>>751995609
>What humans are responsible for is the acceleration of rising temperatures
wow. you people are really fucking dumb. no wonder you believe climate change like the good goys you are.
>>752002726
You can use this same argument for belief in God and going to heaven yet many people don't. Logic doesn't always override faith
>>752004962
+1
Someone who actually knows their shit.
Al gore dicksuckers can buzz off.
>>752004962
>spends 4 billion a year to pay scientists to manipulate data and charts
As a real scientist, I seriously wish you conspiracy retards would just die off already.
>>752004998
I asked you not to be that guy, why on Earth would I be that guy instead?
>>752004779
You think that people who dedicated their lives to some kind of study that they're actually interested in are less trustworthy than sheisty businessmen from oil companies that have money to burn and are known for not giving a fuck about anything as long as it enables them to pinch a few more pennies between their ass cheeks?
>>751995369
I believe in climate change and global warming, I do not think they are a problem though and certainly not 'man made'.
And not to mention that 30 years ago they were saying we were going to see a new ice age in ten years.
Before it was climate change it was global warming. Before it was global warming it was global cooling.
>>752005022
Explain the current warming period in relation to historical periods and put forward an alternative explanation more compelling than human activity
Pro-tip: a novel prize awaits you if you can
>>752004962
>>752004964
>ctrl+c; ctrl+v
>$.02 have been added to your account
>>751995609
>What humans are responsible for is the acceleration of rising temperatures, not just high temperatures.
lmao no, even among scientists there is still disagreement as to what the global temperature is; how to measure it and if it is even relevant.
>>752005221
>even among scientists there is still disagreement as to what the global temperature is
>literally parroting the oil shills' baseless propaganda word-for-word
good goy
>>751995607
>This whole problem is playing on the narcissistic tendencies of the public (especially the leftist snowflakes).
It is certainly ironic how leftist snowflakes who posture as defenders of science when it comes to global warming (a sentimental myth unsupported by evidence) flee all reference to biology when it comes to gender.
>>752005284
>t. (((climate))) scientist shill
>>751995369
What kind of measuring devices you think they used that long ago? You really think they tracked weather and sea level huh?
>>752004659
Oh I get trolling but I'm drunk and there are several people commenting on my behalf/as me. Least that what it seems like, it's pretty lulz to be honest.
>>752005204
>a novel prize awaits you if you can
Your typing is about as good as your argument
>>752004962
>>752005077
>>752005022
>>752003533
>>752002726
Imagine if the only suggestions put forwards were just communism.
Now imagine the dangers that would present regardless of the validity of climate change (I believe it by the way, I just don't think the UN did something with the money they were given and the paris accords are an excuse to grift capitol from western countries and buy political influence in the third world.)
>>752004206
no you don't.
you think you remember that because bad reporting of the science at the time made a big fuss about the ideas of a few scientists who were struggling with the data. the consensus was never with them, the science was always extremely contested. it was the newspapers (who also confidently said thirty years ago that we would have the cure for all cancer by now because of the human genome project - something the HGP never claimed) who spammed that bullshit.
And you think you remember that because that is a widely spread contrarian talking point that has come out of the anti climate change rumor mill and spam campaign funded by the Heartland institute (ie the Koch Bros)and other criminal organisations.
the current consensus is based on that early data plus thirty years more, including thirty years more learning and understanding and modelling and argument at a cut throat pace and level
anyone who thinks for a moment that if a contrary theory arose that was well supported (and would get you and instant Nobel prize) that it would not be heard, not be widely discussed and argued about, is just deluded about how those guys work.
>>752004818
>They'll pass us up soon
they dont even close now, dipshit
>>752005221
There’s disagreement as to what the speed of light is, or what is actually happening on a quantum Atomic level, yet their discoveries still enable you to shitpost on a troll thread,
Disagreement among scientists is entirely normal -
You’re disagreeing with them when you don’t even understand %5 of the concepts involved in their disagreement .
You’re like the retard at a golf match shouting when ever the ball moves
>>752005374
>well reasoned, thoughtful explanation
>one typing error
>it's a v/b error
Seriously, dude? His finger slipped a quarter of an inch and you just disregard his entire statement?
>>752005361
>implying scientists have the money to pay lonely weebs to shitpost
>>752005090
>As a real scientist
Why Russians favor Global Warming:
The Russian government has convinced it's citizens that global warming is a positive development for their country because they live at such high latitudes. They are banking on the idea that the Earth's temperature can be raised to the point where Russian experiences a more temperate climate year-round. It's a shrewd maneuver to turn their frozen tundras into farm land, while turning the current bread baskets of the world into deserts.
What they don't understand is that long before the northern Russian soils become farmable, the greenhouse will have tipped into a run-away positive feedback loop. There is NOTHING stopping the Earth from being exactly like Venus, with surface temperatures that reach 800 degrees Celsius.
Life on Earth will be extinguished because of run-away Russian ambition. For the good of the planet Vladimir Putin must be killed and the Russian people exterminated, before it is to late for the rest of us.
>>752005455
[citation needed]
If global warming doesn't real how can they be close or not anyway?
>>752005374
>can only point to typos because they have no substance to their argument
Aw, my condolences on losing the debate
>>752005526
Actually russia is colder than several years ago, you dumb fuck.
>>752004217
but not at the pace it now rises, and there is no other explanation than fossil fuels and fossil fuels do explain it.
so you are only about a tenth right, and not at all right to dismiss the science that clearly shows the cause of climate change as clearly as any cause can be shown(In before cigarettes do not cause cancer there is just a correlation between their existence and smokers having the disease)
stop playing with silly word games about cause and effect - if you must go and read Hume.
>>752005480
Well my dick slipped a quarter of an inch once and the chick I was boning went crazy, I tell you.
OK, maybe slightly more than a quarter but the point is she was totally unreasonable.
>>752005374
Stupid faggot made a typo.
Still waiting on you coming up with a better answer than antropogenic climate change though.
>>752005526
I think the positive feedback loop to venus level climate is a bit of a stretch, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't ignore the problem.
>>752005584
weather is not climate
weather is not climate
weather is not climate
weather is not climate
weather is not climate
>>752005526
B-b-b-but we voted for Putin and now we are spreading the message to ameridumbs that will believe anything we puppet thru trump to keep them like sheeple
>>752005526
Please ignore this post.
>>752005526
which is why Trump wants the US to do nothing about climate change. The US affects global climate the most and a raise of temperature would affect russia positively, at least in the short term.
>What they don't understand is that long before the northern Russian soils become farmable, the greenhouse will have tipped into a run-away positive feedback loop. There is NOTHING stopping the Earth from being exactly like Venus, with surface temperatures that reach 800 degrees Celsius.
Russian oligarchs don't give a shit. They only care about what happens now. which is why they have done nothing to stop the degradation of the (western) Russian societies. It's all about "me, me, me".
>>751995369
I think in climate change deniers who are not big business owners tend to be that contrarian dick everyone knows.
>The guy whos gotta play devils advocate when its totally unneeded.
>That kid who thinks yelling louder makes him the "winner" but wonders why nobody wants to "debate" with him.
>That mature age student at university who is always putting up his hand during lectures and saying things like "well acccchually professor...".
>That kid who tells everyone at grandma's wake that goes around telling relatives "even if heaven WAS real, Grandma would be going to hell because...".
>That guy who thinks bombing Hiroshima was justified not because of well thought out political or strategic reason but because "those fuckin nips had it comin".
>That racist uncle who lives in your grandmas pool house but it the only guy in the world who is WOKE
You know the type and you know there is no point arguing with him so really this whole thread is a little bit pointless.
Unless your multi-billion dollar corporation stands to lose a fair whack of money because changing shitty business practices might be a temporary inconvenience, then chances are you are that guy im talking about. And if you are that Multibillion dollar corporation, then you are a selfish asshole.
Kill yourself.The world has no use for you.
>>752005090
>(((scientist)))
Scientists at NOAA and NASA are well known to falsify their data, often even replacing it with computer models. Since, you know, their fantasy is more accurate than what actually happened. During the Obama regime years, they even moved thermometers into the hottest places they could find to skew their data. Also Berkeley is radical left, and nothing their scientists produce can have any validity. If anyone purports to be a climate scientist you can rest assured that they are likely corrupt and on the climate change gravy train.
>>751995369
Global warming is a stupid term. It should be "increasingly severe weather changes and unpredictable weather anomolies. (Summers get hotter winters get colder, seasons also wont stay predominantly cold. (Heat waves in winter and cold snaps in summer.))
There ya go dumbfuck. Hope i put that in easy enough blue collar terms for you to relate to..
>>752005425
Chem trails are about as believable as (((man made))) climate change
>>752005808
sauce?
>alex jones
>>752005808
During the "obama regime" they kept the thermometers at the airports which has been pretty standard since planes were a thing. Where do you get your information from goyim?
>>752005808
good goy
>>752005808
And yet, non aligned climatologist from all countries have been unable to posit an alternative explanation more evidently usable as a theory than human activity .
Almost as if human activity was responsible, and it had fuck all to do with your anarchist cookbook retardation
>>752006004
Ahhh, airports... massive islands of asphalt, perfect for retaining solar energy and skewing data due to the heat island effect.
It's no coincidence that they use them.
>>751995369
If someone says that he knows the Earth's temperature down to one tenth of a degree Celsius, and furthermore claims not merely to know this for the present day but also for centuries and even millennia in the past, and furthermore claims to be able to predict it for centuries into the future, that's pretty impressive and I'm very curious about how the measurements were taken and how the predictive model works. The "climate scientists" get awfully quiet when you ask them those questions, though, and some of them even invoke baroque and bizarre conspiracy theories, accusing you of "shilling" for "Big Oil." ("'Shut up,' he explained.")
Likewise, all of this "global warming" that they claim to have measured is claimed to have arisen by the mechanism of human activity adding to the carbon dioxide levels of the air. We are told that it absorbs infrared radiation. But so does water vapor, in the same frequency bands, and vastly more efficiently, by orders of magnitude. Carbon dioxide concentrations in the Earth's atmosphere are measured in parts per million, water vapor in percentage points. So there are appropriate scientific terms for this kind of claim. One of them is "preposterous."
In my opinion, as someone who took some undergrad science courses at university level long before this began, it's rather simpler than that. You have a group of people calling themselves "climate scientists." Who is and who is not a "climate scientist" isn't clear.
>>752006004
>Why would Obama move them, he is part of the climate change machine.
>Thinks Obama is the king of thermometers!
>>752005480
>>752005556
>>752005638
>>752005808
I like how many letters you like to write "I am an idiot!". As you may have noticed there are other countries all over the world and even IF an Obama regime would´ve exist, what would´ve to say in those other countries? I know world government, economical dependencies and other utter bullshit. Just so you´re able to defend what ever you thing could be the easy answer.
>>752006145
>heat island
So, a man made environment is having a direct and noticeable effect on the local climate?
Huh.
>>752006162
>in my opinion
Nobody fucking cares
>ITT global warming alarmism!!
The earth has been consistently warming for over 14000 years now
I'm sitting in a spot that was, 12000 years ago, under a half mile of motherfucking ice.
The cycle isnt finished yet.
The earth will continue to warm, for the next 1000 or so years then it will begin cooling as the next glacial cycle begins
The sad thing is, when the world becomes increasingly less livable, when swaths of refugees of disappearing islands and resource wars are banging at your borders, when food prices rise and living standards start dropping, you'll still have the climate change deniers sitting pretty behind their computers agreeing that it's all very unfortunate, but it's not like we could have done anything about it. And also, when is the gubmint going to do something about those people stealing our resources anyway?
>>752005984
Probably something on CNN
>>752006358
Explain the change in the rate of climate change , given the long time periods the geological records state that equivalent climate change occurred at.
>>752006363
Cassandra?
Wow, the Goldsteins are going to go bankrupt with all the man made climate change shillposts ITT
>.02
>.02
>.02
>.02
>etc.
>>752005077
>Al gore dicksuckers can buzz off.
The problem is liberals will swallow any bullshit as long as you have fake graphs and cooked books to back it up, they genuinely believe man is responsible for climate change.
>>752006679
Yeah.
Must be their adherence to scientific consensus instead of the trump way...just fucking lie about it.
Hail Trump
>>752006363
you like to playing it Nostradamus a lot i see
>>752006304
Fair enough but you have a group of people calling themselves "climate scientists." Who is and who is not a "climate scientist" isn't clear. The late leader of this group, and creator of the "global warming" meme, one Stephen Schneider, was a mechanical engineer by training, also with some background in high-energy plasma physics, and had no academic training whatsoever in meteorology. When real meteorologists like Anthony Watts dare to point out that the Emperor has no clothes, they're shouted down, shut out, and slandered, because they're "not real climate scientists," and accused of taking bribe money from "the oil companies" by people who live on multi-million-dollar grants that the National Science Foundation gives them to print phony studies in which they declare that we're all doomed unless we go back to the caves, right now.
>>752006783
>scientific consensus
>what is grant bias
>>752006679
And all conservatives need is a fat orange billionaire with a tiny cheeto dick to deny that climate change exists for them to believe it's fake.
>>752006162
If you don't understand how the data is collected then it's because you did not try hard enough to find out. You're only interested into holding onto your own self-affirmed beliefs. You didn't even try to prove yourself wrong.
Historical climate data can be extracted from many sources. The basic theory is to find an isolated system that shows correlation with temperatures along known climate data and extrapolating backwards. For example there are certain strata of ice or rock which have particular amounts of gases dissolved in them which correlates strongly with the temperature for that year. By digging deeper into the ground for older rocks and ice and measuring the gas content, you can produce a decent measure of the average temperature for a certain time period beyond our current direct measurements.
The "water vapor" thing is irrelevant. The amount of water vapor in the atmosphere remains constant. CO2 is going up, and it's going up at a pace suspiciously similar to the amount we are burning fuel that turns into CO2.
>>752006810
The term is “climatologists”
It’s the difference between nutritionist and dietician.
One is a retard with no qualifications the other is the actual person you want to speak to
>>752006810
>people who live on multi-million-dollar grants that the National Science Foundation gives them to print phony studies
/thread
Hotter, colder....who cares?
If the climate changes rapidly enough we're gonna struggle to feed 8 billion people. That's the problem.
>Can humans survive in hotter or colder climates?
Yes, we have evidence of this in the past but we didn't have 8 billion people to feed.
>>752006533
see pic
>>752005799
There is a lot more money to be made shilling for oil than there is shilling for "green" anything
>>752003062
i certainly would not call the hurricane season unprecedented
>>752006679
Liberals think Summer is global warming
>>752006363
How many islands disappeared 115 thousand years ago? Impress me fag
>>752006969
> we're gonna struggle to feed
Im gonna struggle to feed only on man on earth, and it is me
>>752006984
>t. climate scientist shill
1 shekel has been added
>>752006856
Pro-tip
The entire world is not like the corrupt US.
What ever retarded partisan anti-science shit is happening in your politics, is irrelevant to the global scientific community, who will continue their discussion with out you.
If it’s SO OBVIOUSLY NOT man made climate change , why is proving a more explanatory alternative theory so difficult for the nay sayers?
>>752006786
Hey, I'd love for time to prove me wrong. I'm sure the people of Tuvalu would love that too. I'm not sure it will, though.
>>752006783
>China allowed to pollute at excessive rates until 2030 under Paris accords because they're a "developing nation" with an economy larger than australia
>another attempt at chinese fuckery blocked
>trump must just hate the earth and that's why he pulled out
>>752003221
Oh please. Why don't you edify us in detail on why they would want to "slow down emerging economies". Use some examples.
Maybe we're accelerating climate change, but it will happen at some point regardless. We should learn to adapt, not desperately try to stop it from happening.
>>752007081
>proving
Proving something that doesnt exist?
>>752007081
Your argument is no different to weak minded religious idiots.
>Can't explain every detail of the universe = God must have done it.
>Haven't yet fully figured out how climates naturally change = We must be doing it
>>752003364
Human impact on the atmosphere has quite a bit more concrete evidence in its favor than your little doomsday squid fantasy.
>>752007063
>shilling for rich people for free
>>752007081
>why is proving a more explanatory alternative theory so difficult for the nay sayers?
You are making the mistake of thinking they care about anything but preserving their unrealistic mental models of how the world works. If alex jones and donald trump are lying to them or just don't know what they're talking about, how can they rectify this with all the other fallacies they fell for? It's easier to deny reality if it's not staring you directly in the face.
>>752007005
What do I care? Why would it be relevant? "Lol it was hot 115.000 years ago and we have no YouTube videos of people complaining about it".
>>752007063
>t. climate scientist shill
congrats on being THAT GUY
see >>752005799
for more information
>>752003591
by that logic, that anon doesn't have to prove shit to you since you are just table flipping on him.
Calm down buddy
>>752003673
Maybe he thinks the weather just makes people crazy. LOL.
>>752005316
This. Liberals are actually, properly, fucking retarded.
fight the power, anon! don't let those jewish "scientists" and shills bully those poor oil barons! MAGA!
>>752007364
Let me guide you in your world of stupidness
>says global warming will lead to some consequences
>same warming in past didnt lead to shit
Now try to think
>>751995369
True. Plus nobodys arguing that climate change isnt happening, but the idea that we as humans are responsible is preposterous.
>>752007672
>we're talking about climate but muh libruls ndhuff genders REEE
good goy. Those political blinders look very good on you.
>>752004217
This and guess what, our Earth is now closer to the Sun in orbit and the sun has been having high amounts of solar activity and flares never before detected in the last 50 years.
There is literally zero evidence that proves people are causing the climate to warm.
In fact, climate warming has slowed recently.
>>752007412
>0.02 has been added to your checking account
>>752004733
It is a fact in scientifical standards (because y'know, absolute truth is impossible to reach). The ones who deny it are tiny fractionof the scientific community and big phossil phuel companies.
Everyone knows anthropomorphic climate change is a hoax.
Solar-cycle driven climate change, however, is real.
>>752007962
Wow you are literally the type i was talking about. Hows the pool house?
![tell-a-lie-long-enough-goebbels[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X5OklTW.jpg "tell-a-lie-long-enough-goebbels[1].jpg")
>>752002325
>Thinking that humans have the capacity to end all life on earth is the epitome of fucking idiocy.
Nuclear bombs don't exist?
>>752007759
>>752004733
>>752004824
>>752004962
>>752004964
>>752005221
>>752006162
>>752008052
Repeat after me:
Human Activity Is Not The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is Not The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is Not The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is Not The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is Not The Cause Of Global Warming
>>752008052
I've lost so many friends over this
>>752007975
I would think the hippies created a degree in Climate Scientist to make themselves feel better. Its still fake. The earth goes through periods of this where is warms up and gets cold. But believe what the tv tells you. This is your religion.
>>752008196
that's the cost of not holding onto a few more brain cells.
>>752007886
Literally zero evidence. Yeah I can appreciate people saying there's a debate to be had. But being this retarded?
Don't reproduce. Really.
>>752008052
This 1000%
People are so dumb to think the sun is just a constant. It has its own weather and shit, and it does change things for us here.
>>752004707
>he says, using a free and open internet
ITS ALL A LIBERAL HOAX TRUST ME GUISE XD
>>752006679
This. You can basically tell a man made climate change crayon muncher anything about global warming and they will eat it without question.
>>752008241
>the entire civilized world employs 50,000+ climate scientists and offer climate science as a major in every single university because:
>they want the hippies to feel better
>>752008267
Leftism is cancer
>>752005808
>Also Berkeley is radical left, and nothing their scientists produce can have any validity.
To be fair name a climate science (((department))) that isn't left.
>>752008196
I've blow minds with electric universe stuff.
>>752008445
"97% of shill scientists working for government departments whose existence is based on the belief that man made climate change is real all agree that man made climate change is real"
>this thread in a nutshell
>>751995369
Sorry but the title says "climate change" not "pollution"
>>752008469
>I don't understand, what should I say?
>DHFRHH HURR RHFHS LEFTISTS
>UGH GUFNH LIBRULS
>>751995369
typical beta fag, not wanting to take responsibility for his actions
You affect your surroundings. End of story. All those emissions from your car are going somewhere, believe it or not.
Destroying forests does something.
Humans leave an imprint. I aint gonna say "global warming is caused by us", but we sure as fuck arent helping
>>752008579
see >>752005799
Follow the money. Who has more? Who stands to make more?
>>752008469
>its the other team thats the bad guys! Never us. Nope the world is 1 dimensional
>>752007316
If there is an alternative theory BETTER at explaining climate change than man made interference, then it would be EASY to prove because it would be TRUE.
As of right now, all evidence points to man made climate change - almost as if THAT were the “true” explanation.
The ‘fact’ the climate is changing is not in dispute, the CAUSE is.
You pig fucking mongoloid
I'm open minded to man made global warming, climate change, whatever they call it today. But I'm always perplexed that people who adhere so vehemently can't answer basic questions.
>By what degree is climate change naturally occurring?
>By what degree is man affecting the already naturally occurring change?
I'd love some concrete answers.
>>752007317
No, the EVIDENCE points to man made climate change - not “we don’t know - let’s just blame people”.
The argument that it is caused by ANYTHING ELSE is what lacks any evidential support.
PROVE me wrong retard
>>752008701
>1 cent has been deposited in your wife's son's account.
>>752008643
Lol that dude knows more and is worth more then your cracker ass nigger
>>752007362
So, we have the entire global community of climatologists and many thousands of peer reviewed literature vs Trump Tweets and an Alex Jones video.
If you’re on the latter team, you deserve to die
>>752008725
Autism is also cancer
>>752008813
>evidence
>profit seeking opportunists on the climate change gravy train says so
lol
>>752008773
>concrete answers
see >>752008579
>>752008925
>what is grant funded bias
lmao, try again
>>751995369
>If the planet was this hot 115 thousand years ago
And even hotter 65 million years ago.
Y'know...back before the ICE AGE.
>>751995369
The the climate changed this much, it happened over thousands of years.
>>751995369
Climate change is a hoax crammed down our throats by liberal 'progressives'
When the sun can heat the surface of the earth multiple degrees in minutes, mankind adding a single degree over a hundred years isn't going to do shit.
>>752008353
You are so retarded you don’t think climatologists include the SUN in their climate model?
Where do you think the energy for the model system comes from?
The reason they don’t say the sun is responsible, is because the lack of evidence showing fluctuations in the suns output that would correlate with the recorded climate change.
You are fucking retarded if you think you’re smarter than THE ENTIRE GLOBAL COMMUNITY OF CLIMATOLOGISTS
>>752009241
>mankind adding a single degree over a hundred years isn't going to do shit.
There's no proof man has added at all to natural climate change
>>752009304
>CLIMATOLOGISTS
1 not every scientist agrees. 2 only the scientists who push the global warming agenda get funded for research so it would make sense there would be more man made global warming.
>>752008052
+1 humans impact on climate change is a drop in the ocean compared to the effects of the sun and the magnetosphere
>>752006227
wut
>>752008185
Repeat after me:
Human Activity Is The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is The Cause Of Global Warming
Human Activity Is The Cause Of Global Warming
>>752009907
but what we gonna do bout the climate change refugees?
>>751995369
twat
>>751995369
it means man has changed the climate that drastically that the last time this occurred naturally was that long ago
might as well say if man leads us to the next ice age that it was a perfectly natural progression
>>751995369
No we are not. Co2 is our friend. Keeps the ice ages away. We are currently living in the most stable environment in thousands of years. Co2 is the weakest of all greenhouse gasses. It's good for the plants and trees to grow.
Source: I'm a climate scientists who doesn't work for the government or big oil.
>>751995846
Lol. Our current environment is very stable compared to the past. Stop reading garbage and learn actual science. Don't just believe what you are told.
"70% of the worlds militaries are preparing for climate change.
Tens of millions of people will be forced from their homes by climate change in the next decade, creating the biggest refugee crisis the world has ever seen."
Man-made or natural, it's still a big problem
>>751995369
>source
>The Guardian
CNN tier left wing rag
Earth gets hit by a meteor that hits the planet ejects a plume of gasses that is equal to a million years of human co2 output and the planet recovered eventually. /thread
>>752001218
>>752001475
Vostok ice cores are the most accurate reading of earth temperature, climate, and CO2 concentration we have so far, and the evidence that the history is showing us is that man made CO2 emissions isn't the cause for the warming.
>>752001773
i seriously cannot make head or tales as to what you're trying to get at here. your point is unclear in respect to the comment you replied to.
mainly your run on sentences, and lacking a clear objective to your comment
>>752010169
>>752010867
Put them all behind the wall in Mexico
>>752010637
Co2 is only .4 % of our atmosphere even if it doubled that would only be 1/2 of a degree increase.
>>752010867
Why wouldn't they?, it's one thing that has and will happen. The most consistent thing in earths history is change.
>>752004600
/thread
>>752010344
checked.
and yes... things that happen naturally, happen slowly, i dont see what the problem with that is, the coming warming period is right on time with the last 4 that have happened hundreds of thousands of years ago.
in turn we minaswell say, well all the other ice ages happened just like this, whats the big deal?
