Why do liberals hate guns so much?
>>751950296
They don't. Only "liberals" do.
>>751950296
Not all liberals. They hate how people use guns to kill people, they don't hate the gun itself.
>>751950296
Because freedom.
>>751950296
Liberals just flock around anyone who promises them "free" stuff and adopt their ideals. If Hillary had said carbon emissions were a bigger deal and wanted to ban any vehicle that got less than 20mpg city, you know they'd hop on that train in a heartbeat too. They don't care what rights get sacrificed in the process, they just want a free lunch on the dime of those of us who actually work.
>>751950583
This. True, classical, liberals don't hate guns. It's the modern leftist, and to be more specific they like to have guns in the hands of their controlled party but not in any of the opposition's hands, in this case being heterosexual white Christian conservative males' hands
>>751950296
Same reason why racists exist. People fear what they do not understand.
Leftist liberals are literally gun racists.
>>751950711
this
I think guns are cool as fuck, but I'm glad that my country has strict gun regulations
>>751950296
>>751950583
>>751951332
>>751951491
>>751951567
>pretending to know somebodies motives
Speculate all you want, you just look stupid when you treat an assumption as a fact
>>751951567
>Leftist liberals are literally gun racists.
This is actually a great analogy. Liberals hate black scary guns, the one with big di-magazines. They don't hate the paler ubiquitous hunting guns or shotguns so much even though those have more destructive potential.
>>751951776
Nice independence get.
Are you trying to say MUH NOT ALL LIBERALS or are you honestly trying to say that the huge majority of liberals don't fear (and want to ban) firearms?
Like are you trying to argue that the huge majority of liberals don't want to ban guns or increase regulation/vetting/mental health/background checks, etc?
>>751951332
Not free, you thick skulled nimrod, paid for with our tax money... Ya know the money the govt robs us of to fund their private lives and oil wars. We don't want a handout, just something worthwhile from our taxes.
>>751951976
I guess the first one, but i'm pretty soft on the matter.
the whole left vs right thing is fucking bullshit
people will say/believe anything about the other side just to have a dig at them.
us vs them makes you both look retarded
>>751950296
Most liberals of my acquaintance have never shot a gun. Hate stems from fear, and fear from ignorance.
>>751951976
You are a retard if you think that racists hate black people because they don't understand them. Whites who live in pure lily white areas are the least racist. It's the people who have to live around blacks that come to hate them as the violent clowns they are.
easy, because you can't force people to do things against their will if they are armed. Disarming the populous is a precursor to slavery, which is their ultimate goal. The government is the master, you are the slave.
I'm a liberal and I do not hate guns. I consider owning guns a personal liberty.
>>751950296
We don't. I'm a liberal and many of my friends are liberal and we all have guns. I just took delivery of my new Vepr 12. It's awesome
>>751951976
Wrong on all counts.
i fucking love guns but..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
where im from you can get 7years for possession of a gun. there has never been a mass shooting a school shooting and rarely ever an innocent bi-standard
>>751950296
They fear anything they can't control.
>>751950296
Because "liberals" is an adopted but bullshit term used by fascists. And the reason leftist fascists hate guns is because they are authoritarians who want to control the lives of others in every way. What you think, say, and do.
And the only thing stopping them from accomplishing their ultimate goal of complete control over your life, is the fact that people can defend themselves with guns. Its why all previous, current and future fascist nations immediately ban all firearms from the populations.
Guns stop fascists, period.
>>751950296
Is it only liberals who don't want to get shot?
>>751950296
Propaganda.
>>751952635
They are basically just big dumb children but if you ever try to discipline them everyone flips their shit and you are literally hitler for wanting to keep your car windows intact
>>751952871
People actually believe this
fucking wow
>>751950296
Because Fox News says so.
Most of my liberal friends own guns, often nice ones.
>>751953049
this
>>751950296
Cuz they kill Commies and liberals are Commies.
>>751952918
People actually believe the intended purpose of the 2nd amendment holy shit
I love guns. I just hate you.
i'm a liberal, don't hate guns. I just want mandatory training for every 5 guns bought, licenses that need renewed. background checks are not enough.
Does believing one particular thing make you a "liberal"? Fucking fed up of this ridiculous left/right paradigm. Common sense seems to have gone out the fucking window.
>>751953075
do you really think you can stop the government with that ar?
>>751953295
Do you really think you can stop the government with that musket?
>>751953286
there's things I'm liberal about
there's things i'm conservative about
stop trying to put everyone in a box to make your side seem bigger
>>751953352
answering a question with another question
250 years is a long time ago
>>751950583
>They don't. Only (((liberals))) do.
>>751952550
>the whole left vs right thing is fucking bullshit
I agree in principal but in practice it's very real. The whole "your team vs my team" thing permeates all human cultures, and left vs right is no different. It just happens that the left team's gameplan includes being afraid of and banning guns.
Most people aren't smart enough to just be trolling the other side, as you say. Most of them really believe the shit they say, whether it's that abortion is murder or guns are bad, healthcare, rights, taxation, pick your poison. The teams have chosen their opinion, and the majority of people on a given team actually believe in those things, or else they wouldn't be part of the team to begin with.
>>751952635
Racism isn't limited to one geographic or economic area my dude. You don't have to get burned by fire to know it's hot.
>>751952791
Excellent argument, I'm overwhelmed by facts.
>>751952918
>>751953075
"A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." -Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” -George Mason
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry
>>751950296
I'll bite even tho not liberal.
Guns for all don't make much sense anymore. They were good to have back when native americans were a threat and slaves could rebel.
Now the only ones to defend against are other people with guns... I need to take a test to drive a car because it can be dangerous for others, but buying a gun, nah, no checks.
Bottom line - people are all sorts of fucked up, giving them guns without any safety measures naive at best.
>>751953295
You uh... ever heard of this place called Afghanistan?
>>751953295
No the AR is just for popping libcucks like you in the event of a balkanized dystopia. Bombs are what you use against government agents
>>751953634
>“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>- Benjamin Franklin
>>751953591
"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should have a gun"
>>751950296
i used to but now guns can be usefull in the upcoming war against muslims here in Europe
>>751953670
>libcuck
you're one of those people then
>>751953721
>incorrect quote
>What's more the “purchase [of] a little temporary safety” of which Franklin complains was not the ceding of power to a government Leviathan in exchange for some promise of protection from external threat; for in Franklin’s letter, the word “purchase” does not appear to have been a metaphor. The governor was accusing the Assembly of stalling on appropriating money for frontier defense by insisting on including the Penn lands in its taxes--and thus triggering his intervention. And the Penn family later offered cash to fund defense of the frontier--as long as the Assembly would acknowledge that it lacked the power to tax the family’s lands. Franklin was thus complaining of the choice facing the legislature between being able to make funds available for frontier defense and maintaining its right of self-governance--and he was criticizing the governor for suggesting it should be willing to give up the latter to ensure the former.
>In short, Franklin was not describing some tension between government power and individual liberty. He was describing, rather, effective self-government in the service of security as the very liberty it would be contemptible to trade. Notwithstanding the way the quotation has come down to us, Franklin saw the liberty and security interests of Pennsylvanians as aligned.
>https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ben-franklin-really-said
>>751953295
Do you really think you can start a revolution with that ar?
>>751953721
By this logic, the state itself should be disbanded. This is an anarchist credo.
>>751953886
no, you can't. you're gonna end up dead when you start waving it about
>>751950296
I don't and I'm more worried about the police having tanks than I am about my neighbor having more guns than he "needs."
>>751953886
are you planning on starting a revolution?
>>751953634
>Now the only ones to defend against are other people with guns...
Not true. Think of the disparity in size and strength between a 6' 2", 220 lb male and a 5' 115 lb female. If that man tries to rape that woman, there isn't shit she can do about it without a weapon.
But if she has a handgun in her purse she has an equalizer.
It's more effective than a tazer or mace, and doesn't rely on physical strength like a knife. 300,000 people per year use a firearm to prevent themselves from being victimized by a criminal in the US.
>>751953886
Revolutions have been won with less...
>>751954206
this is the only convincing argument in the thread
>>751953634
>the only ones to defend against are other people with guns
Nobody's ever been attacked by somebody with a knife or stick or fists? No woman's ever been raped by someone not holding a gun? Nobody's ever been assaulted by anything but a gun?
Also
>no checks
All guns sold or transferred through an FFL in any state, and guns sold or transferred privately in 12 states require a background check.
Sounds like your opinion is formed on some pretty skewed information, anon. And you're making these statements like they're irrefutable fact. Kind of scary to me. I'm glad I have a gun in case I meet people like you.
>>751953784
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to say what I want"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to vote for my officials no matter what color or sex I am"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able decline unlawful search and seizure"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to deny soldier's quartering in my home"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to not incriminate myself in court"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to be treated humanely in prison"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to be spared from laws enacted in places I don't live"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to have a speedy trial"
>"these dudes from 250 years ago said I should be able to have a trial by jury"
You see where this sarcasm leads?
>>751953295
I'm too lazy to dig it up but if you really care you can research yourself why the federal government wouldn't ever win a civil war. There's just too many guns and too many people. Even if 1% of the population decided to take up arms against the government they'd never be able to squash the fighting. It's not about "winning" just the fact that you couldn't stop it.
>>751953859
He's making the same point regardless of adding all the extra background info.
>>751953634
>but buying a gun, nah, no checks.
Why do you jews find the need to constantly lie?
>>751953634
t. never bought a gun
>>751950296
I am a liberal democrat and own a few guns. I don’t like gun show loopholes and mentally ill having access to them.
>>751954429
Because they can't accept the fact that their laws don't prevent criminals from doing whatever the fuck they want.
Most liberals have so many crimes and shit they did to hurt people, they are afraid of being shot by honest people.
>>751954532
Have you ever even seen a form 4473?
>>751954206
No.
Pepper spray is the preferred rape deterrent mainly because it's a lot easier to use than any gun, you don't have to aim directly and you don't need to overcome the "fear of shooting someone" or being in the wrong.
That said, I'm not against guns being licensed to citizens, just the way it is now doesn't make sense.
>>751954532
Not requiring a background check for personal transfers is fine, the government should not track every gun.
Barring the "mentally ill" from owning a gun has immense possible ility for abuse. I would only consider it in cases where a person has been judged criminally insane at trial. At that point the person is a felon already and is therefore already barred from gun ownership.
>>751954625
Vigilantism is a separate issue from gun rights.
>>751954532
>everything I know about guns I learned from watching the Daily Jew: The Musical
>>751954677
An assailant can shrug off pepper spray. It might just make them angry and make the attack more violent.
An assailant s not going to shrug off being shit center mass.
Not to mention, mace can drift back into the victim's eyes and mouth and prevent them from continued resistance.
Ask the CDC report that came out after Sandy Hook (2013). Even they identify a firearm as giving "the best chance if victim survival.
Sorry, but you're wrong about this.
>>751954332
I don't think that it's an invalid point though
should you keep every amendment?
How many have been added and removed?
Serious question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VShMWlEyK1g&list=PLqc9ugNX-JFqTswaRiCizoWyP-oNX4xN7
i'm still waiting, for my chance, it's been a very long time, been sitting in a very long line, people all around me staring at me with their mind, crime happening, the police don't even really try, why would i even bother crying, cryings for the miserable, people, with no vision or no sight, seen me in a vision then your mine, i'm literally fine, find and you shall seek well, the sequel, the sequel is pre will, don't get it twisted, from that far, we came this close, we clearly missed it, we nearly hit it, the fairy tale, is very stale, hail mary frigid, don't matter if you get burried with it, or if you eat berries with it, it's all a scam to begin with, you dip shits livin in wonderland, understand this and you just might understand, but it's too bad, it's too late, and it's over man..,,,,
>>751954708
I disagree. I think they should. It’s required when transfer a car, should be the same for gun.
>>751954674
>>751954708
Isn't part of why Chicago has so much gun violence because they can buy guns at gun shows 1 hour away in Indiana?
>>751954970
There has only one that has ever been removed. It was the last time you over-reaching faggots decided to ban something. And last time the government decided to ban something, the Government decided to murder people to enforce it.
>>751954852
The Daily Jew? Dafaq. Nigger lay off Hannity’s dick for while. Your gapped butthole is making you crazy.
>>751954708
If you are on disability for mental illness, you shouldn’t be able to own a gun. Too many retards who are obviously mentally have access to them.
>>751955061
Absolutely not. You have to ship any firearm through an FFL holder in your state and would have to go through the same background check as if you were buying it in your own state.
You're confusing progressives and liberals. California is full of progressives not liberals. All this gun control nonsense comes out of ca
>>751955061
Availability of firearms doesn't have much to do with gun crime.
I live in a place where guns outnumber people, and we have a homicide once every few years in my state. Chicago's issues with violence correlate a lot more with race and poverty than they do with numbers of guns.
>>751954170
Against a tyrannical government. Yes.
>>751955221
It seems like it's less the actual mental illness itself and more an issue with the prescription they're on for it. An extreme amount of these shooters are on something like beta blockers or coming off them or just stopped taking them.
>>751954332
>no checks
>wrong because 12 out of 50 states have "background checks"
Lol, that means I'm 76% right. And those "background checks" aren't shit. They basically check that you've not been labelled batshit crazy by the state, but other than that you don't have to prove anything.
>Kind of scary to me. I'm glad I have a gun
Scared people with guns, lol. Makes sense.
I guess they just don’t understand the necessity for them. They’re idealists really, they think that taking away guns will solve all the country’s problems. Problems that are caused by people. Liberals don’t want to admit that the root problem isn’t the catalyst used to cause violence and dismay, but instead the person themself. They believe people are inherently good and will “go bad” if they’re given access to certain means.
>>751955324
>Chicago's issues with violence correlate a lot more with race and poverty than they do with numbers of guns.
I don't know about that man, there's a lot worse places with similar (or worse depending on your opinion on the matter) racial makeups that don't have close to the amount of gun crime. There's definitely some factors going on in Chicago related to violent crime involving guns that goes beyond just poverty and race.
>>751955328
that just doesn't hold water
>>751955550
Then how do you explain all of the places with firearms which have near zero murder rates?
>>751955647
such as?
Because they kill black people
>>751955598
Just going to say it again, have you heard of Afghanistan?
Dedicated people armed with 50 year old Soviet weapons held off an international coalition of first world militaries for the last 16 years.
>>751954896
>An assailant can shrug off pepper spray
Lol, I take it you've never been pepper sprayed. You should try it before talking about it.
>victims of sandy hook would have a better chance of resisting if they had guns
No shit sherlock.
They'd also have a better chance if the shooters didn't have guns.
>>751951567
Black Rifles Matter
>>751955744
usa =/= afghanistan
>>751955061
I live in northern Indiana and yes, most of Chicago’s guns are coming from Lake and Porter Country Indiana.
They have a lot of gun violence in Gary too. It used to be he murder capital. Still ranks high.
>>751955679
Most of the mountain west US, places like Wyoming and Montana. There are enormous numbers of firearms here, but few murders. If guns enable crime, it stands to reason that more guns=more crime, but that's not the case here.
What I'm saying is that the problem lies with Chicago and it's people, not the presence of firearms.
>>751955647
I'm not saying I have the answers. But I don't think the issue is as simple as it just being shitty.
>>751955824
how???
>>751955550
The root of Chicago's gun violence is pretty well known.
There's currently a power struggle going on between drug gangs. It has nothing to do with the availability of guns.
>>751950711
And they how do they act on this hatred? By taking guns away from more and more people using pushing general laws against the people who they deem mentally unfit, that unfairly effects innocent gun owners, in a continuous effort to put everyone on a gun owner blacklist untill no one can own a gun at which point they ban guns outright and no one can oppose them. Fuck you, left bitch.
>>751955811
The Sandy Hook report is named such because it came out after that shooting. It is not solely about that shooting though.
My point is that the CDC agrees that firearms used defensively by victims increased victim survival in all kinds of crimes.
Youre being wilfully ignorant.
>>751955811
>They'd also have a better chance if the shooters didn't have guns.
Perfect logic.
>>751955897
There aren’t any people living there dude.Wyoming has 500k in people. That’s nothing. It’s also very rural.
>>751955996
>It has nothing to do with the availability of guns.
Exactly, it only has everything to do with the availability of bullets.
>>751955995
population
economic stability
geographic location
neighbouring countries stability
>>751950296
I'm a liberal, and I like guns.
Take your broad generalizations and shove them up your ass.
>>751955824
Youre right.
The US is 12 times larger than Afghanistan, and the people are much better armed.
Anyone else in here who is a veteran of that conflict is welcome to back me up, but I'm just going to say that trying to pacify the US would be a nightmare. Imagine an Afghanistan that stretches from sea to shining sea, with only a few coastal cities and inland bases as safe zones, and hundreds of miles of Indian country between them.
Its impossible.
>>751955996
Yes it does. Not every killed is in a gang. Niggers are more violent and they’re getting guns easier from Indiana. It would make sense to have better restrictions on guns, like registration of each firearm and when it’s transfered. A federal system.
>>751954970
>>751955091
In 226 years, Seventeen Amendments to the Constitution have been added since the original Bill of Rights (which are the first Ten Amendments supplementing the seven Articles of the Constitution), none have ever been removed. The 21st Amendment (abolishment of prohibition) counters the 18th (prohibition), but the 18th Amendment is still there.
Amendments are not to be taken lightly. They exist with good reason, or they don't. The Second Amendment has been battled over in courts for decades and it's always survived. I like to hope it always will, even if it's constantly being emasculated by the more than 30,000 gun laws we have in the USA.
We do not need more gun laws. If 30,000+ aren't enough, neither are 30,001+.
>>751955429
You missed the part about how 100% of states have background checks through FFLs.
>>751950296
Because they actually believe there is such a thing as a safe space they have lived their lives sheltered and never experienced anything and they think that everyone should be like them.
Nice looking pistol. What is that. Bersa?
>>751956143
Right...
Youre starting to get it.
Availability of firearms has no impact on murder rate. Urbanization does. Race does. Drugs do. Gang activity does.
But there are 500K people in wyoming with 7 million guns and nobody ever gets shot. There are 500K people in South Chicago with 50,000 guns and they kill each other every day of the year and twice on Christmas.
>>751950296
I am anti-gun and I am far more right wing than any of you.
ask me anything
>>751956218
ok you have a point there. But apart from that I can't really tell the difference.
>>751956501
Why are you such a bootlicker?
>>751956279
Sounds like you don't have a gun problem, you have a demographic problem.
>>751952732
closet republican detected.
>>751956312
Is that the 1-6 or the 1-8?
>>751956477
You think those gangs would have power if they had no guns?
>>751956275
I don't think I'll ever personally change anybodies mind on the subject, it seems as though once you've picked a side, it'll take a hell of an argument to switch.
muh constitution just isn't an argument that works for me, and that's all pro gun guys can ever shout at me
along with unprovable "what if" scenarios
>>751954332
Beautiful pistol. What is the make?
>>751956563
I am not a leftist bootlicker
I see guns as cheating the basic order of life. A single mother can kill multiple armed invaders with a simple handgun, or at least threaten them. What should have happened is her getting robbed and raped, then her children getting sold, killed, or raped. or all three
>>751952767
O shit antifa is arming themselves
>>751953295
No but I can stop Tyrone and Jamal from stealing from me. I can help stop local militias if they ever occurred. I can shoot animales so I may eat them. I can do a lot of things with a gun, your mother is one of them.
>>751956753
Is this bait?
>>751956824
no i am quite serious. upsetting the nature through unmitigated progress is perhaps the most dangerous thing anyone can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR44i-jc50M&index=6&list=PLqc9ugNX-JFqTswaRiCizoWyP-oNX4xN7
gmo corn in my apple juice, every verse papoose tryna battle you, and you ain't gonna get far, cause they chemtrail the sky give you sars, ebola virus hoax, see this shit on my tv is all a joke, manipulate the mind frame, make you think what their talking about is right in the first place, like who said i care? got some ideals but what they show me is never near, not even close, distant, like the sunset, on a flat earth, never going bankrupt cause i got mad worth, self worth, so i'm thankful, there's some people in the world that just can't work, and it won't work between us, that hurts, hook- you are what you think you are, you should prolly do what you think you should, if ya thinkin good, if you ain't thinkin' right, i suggest you go and try to fix that shit tonight,
>>751956817
Yeah, but you can do that and still guns from people who shouldn’t have them (mental illness). Also a Federal tracker of where guns are.
>>751956218
>Population
340 million people. 110 million gun owners.
Economic stability
>Higher wealth inequality than ever, huge divide between urban rich liberals and rural poor conservatives.
>Geographic locaton
Huge landmass, with long, uncontrolled land borders with neighboring countries. Perfect terrain for insurgency.
>Neighboring country stability
Mexico is undergoing a long, bloody war between the government and cartels while their youngest, best workers flee north. Canada is stable but small and weak militarily, and cannot control it's border with the US.
It's not really as good as you think it is, and you obviously know nothing about COIN.
>>751956644
It's the 1-6, which has tolerable quality. The 1-8 has pretty poor glass, I couldn't stand it.
Nice Tikka.
>>751956746
Walther, P5
>>751956753
>>751956877
You sound like an edgy anarchist. I'm sure anarchy would be well served by further proliferation of firearms. So why are you antigun?
>>751950296
Because people who identify as liberal are all about big government and are from areas where guns are only used to commit crime. They can't fathom that people should have the right to defend life and liberty instead of relying on government and police to protect them. They simply aren't adults.
>>751956877
How is that natural progress? Technology (this includes guns you fucking retard) is natural progress. Having a house to break into and property to steal is natural progress.
If you're such a primalist go live in the woods with no tools at all.
>>751955221
Posts like this are the exact reason the USA will never have meaningful firearm law reform, because everyone knows once you open some loophole it becomes a free for all.
Lets say there's a bill to outlaw gun ownership for "the mentally unstable". Cool, but now everyone who has ever voted democrat for anything can no longer have guns, because they're mentally unstable for being so stupid. See how that works?
The exact reason we can't have "reasonable gun restrictions" because none of them are actually reasonable once twisted by fuck stick politicians and retards like the person quoted.
>>751956477
Murder no, but suicide yes. Wyoming ranks pretty high.
http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/study-wyoming-among-highest-for-state-gun-death-rates/article_e5520885-a817-5163-a20f-528ceb42f026.html
>>751952732
So you're not a liberal..
>>751957159
Which might be due to a lack of infrastructure and the fact that nobody cares about rural people.
>>751957010
not really. you consider guns as progress becuase guns happened to be developed. war is grime and shit now, women and ((the mentally ill)) can serve in the military, weird sperg losers shoot up schools for attention, the media makes money, and the puppet parties have something to put on a show about. guns are ridiculous and useless. If you cannot kill someone without the use of firearms, you deserve to die to their hand.
>>751956753
Obvious bait, but by this logic, medical service should also be outlawed, and medicines and medical devices destroyed.
>>751956817
personal property shouldn't be worth somebodies life, if you said to stop tyrone and jamal from killing me first, that's a different story
You're never going to stop a militia, that's a hypothetical that will never happen.
I have issues with the hunting thing, if you live within 10 miles of a walmart, you don't have to shoot shit so you can eat.
are you out in the sticks? go ahead. I see no problem with putting food on the table
and my mother says that she prefers a higher caliber
>>751957047
No, that’s not how it works retard. If a psychologist labels you as dangerous, you can’t own a gun. Appeal or get a second opinion, fine, but no.
If you are on the terror watch list and can’t get on a plane, you can’t own a gun. This shit isn’t hard.
>>751957277
>now
As opposed to what? English longbowmen would dip their arrows in the latrines, about as grime and shit as you can get.
>>751957010
I also am against medicine for the public, since they (you) deserve no such luxury. Only the rich & nobility deserve access to science and "progress" as you put it. you use leftist buzz words and expect to be taken seriously. degenerate
>>751957264
Or too many crazy people have guns. Although these people are doing society a favor. Wyoming is a shit state. No good colleges, innovative technology etc. I support this type of sucide. Cheers to them for the highest rates.
>>751956980
That's a bummer. The 1-8 looked pretty good on paper.
I'm jelly of your can though. I'm getting out of Illinois in August, plan to suppress my Tikka then.
>>751957424
edgy
>>751957283
I have no ability to judge your intention if you bread into my house. You might want to steal my TV, or you might want to rape my kids. I'm not going to stop to ask which it is.
You would get one warning to surrender and get on the ground, and if you don't comply you get mag dumped.
>>751955864
>no facts are included in this post
Most of Chicagos illegal guns are imported from ghost gun manufacturers, usually in Asia but some in mexico and south america.
Few are bought from in the US, legit or not.
>>751957496
That's pretty funny. I did my BA at the University of Wyoming. It's an outstanding school for its size.
>>751957496
Have you ever been to Wyoming?
>>751957391
it still took skill and time to practice being a marksman, and hand to hand combat training was still mandatory. although this is a somewhat grey area for me, I am against weaponry that cannot instantly destroy entire populations, but can instantly kill one or two. Hydrogen bombs are fine, guns, vehicles, medicine, electricity are not. the public does not deserve luxuries such as this .
>>751957789
you're an entirely different kind of what the fuck
>>751957682
I went to Purdue, BS in mechanical engineering. So what?
There’s no UC Berkeley, MIT, Yale, Stanford Harvard, or similar tier college.
No respectable public universities either (Ohio State, Purdue, Unconn) .
>>751957579
whats your point
use your shit-teir labels all you want, my point stands without a rival
That's what I thought. Man, I love Walthers. I have a PPKS and PPQ. The walnut grips on that look fucking awesome. Very nice.
>>751957840
ok.
either disagree, and argue your position, or fuck off, rat
>>751957662
Not true.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/29/us/where-50000-guns-in-chicago-came-from.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=7BC6F3531602D2CF45AA423EF484AAA3&gwt=pay
https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017-454016983.html
1/5 guns is from Indiana.
>>751957930
you make the rules for this conversation?
nah shut up
>>751957424
Why do only rich/nobility deserve all the benefits of society?
>>751954332
That's what I thought. Man, I love Walthers. I have a PPKS and PPQ. The walnut grips on that look fucking awesome. Very nice.
>>751956801
Pretty much. No background checks and residual welfare payments unchecked by government regulations means we can buy as many as we need from the gun shows.
>>751957789
There's a reason the French Revolution came when it did. People had access to weapons that could level the playing field between the nobility and the commoners.
Someone with your arrogant, antiquated views should rightfully fear the gun owning public.
Now fuck off back to your basement and drink mountain dew from a goblet or whatever it is that faggot monarchist LARPers do. Away with you cunt.
I'm debating gun control on 4chan
What the fuck am I doing with my liffe
>>751952635
>It's the people who have to live around blacks that come to hate them
urban areas have the highest concentration of blacks
urban areas have the highest concentration of bleeding heart liberals.
you should do some basic research before you make a fool of yourself on the internet for all of posterity to see.
>>751958028
you chose to argue. you disagree, im guessing. whats your unique and qualified, ((im sure)) position on this topic, and why should i change my mind to your degenerate point of view
>>751953049
>Because Fox News says so.
mucho this
>>751957195
Believing every part of a party's platform is retarded.
>>751953285
perfect
>>751957853
Maybe to you it does. You're the king of your moms basement. But you're talking to people outside of your little nanny state now.
>>751958161
i'm a different guy, I just think you're fucking stupid
>>751958140
america should have never freed the slaves, but either killed them off or shipped them to other countries. abraham lincoln was an absolute disaster. freeing a large population of degenerates with no education and proclaiming them as equal is how a country destroys itself. fucking ingrates
>>751958251
riddle me this, you lifeless wonder.
why should the lion wonder about the opinions of a the rat
>>751952635
This.
>>751958365
because the lion is a rat that thinks he's a lion
>>751958365
Because you're not the lion in this scenario, or any conceivable scenario.
>>751957373
lol, ok nazi germany. remember how those psychologists have to be government sanctioned? if you don't label liberals as mentally unstable your license to medical practice is revoked. how are you not seeing this? literally nazi germany 101 replace jews with liberals or conservatives and you have exactly what would happen in the US without a well armed population to stop it.
Guns are cool but think of a world where instead of guns we developed hand to hand combat and swords. Fucking school slashers
>>751958140
I am a liberal (pro-gun, but still) and think blacks destroy everything we build. I have no issue with asian or latins. Their crime rates are nowhere near blacks. They also don’t blame whites for all their issues. We have to stop creating a culture of victims in the black community.
They’re more violent, less educated and we need them to do better.
>>751952635
think you are above others just becuase you happened upon a crumb of truth? you shared it honestly and fellow degenerates agree with you?
how can you live with yourself and look yourself in the mirror? how do people like you not have the sudden urge to off themselves?
>>751957995
1/5
is 4/5 not most? I didn't say all.
>>751958471
Psychologists have different criteria for credentials state to state. Also what the fuck are you babbling about? Sorry Jim bob, no gun for you. Get your lithium in order.
>>751958298
I agree with this.
>>751958592
Dude they’re coming from parts of the country with laced gun laws. Indiana being he top one. South American and Asia ain’t bringing in guns. If anything they get their guns from the USA.
>>751958666
>unable to refute the facts of the argument
>turns to insults
>>751958434
>>751958423
pff ok
same degenerate? or two fuckwits? who knows?
more importantly, who cares about the little (((value))) your lives have? definitely not your parents, since you have never had higher goals than stuffing your face with food and one day getting a female rat to stick your pathetic penis into
>>751958774
You must be retarded. That’s okay, I support the special need community. Jews and Nazi aren’t an argument.
>>751958712
ok. id rather have an argument about it, thats why I am here instead of pol, but ok
because snowflakes think that if you get rid of all guns then no one will ever be shot again. They dont understand that we have the right and need for guns as protection. Criminals get guns illegally, regardless of the law they will have guns. Removing guns or making gun free zones just allows criminals an advantage over you. You cant trust the government or the police to protect you. Their interests dont always lie with yours and quite frankly response times are abysmal
You can't really use the "a car has govt registration, so should a gun" because you're paying the government or state for them to let you use their road. Gun ownership is a right to self-defense and a completely different issue, of course you pay for a hunting license from the state but owning a gun should NOT require registration
>>751958568
"I LITERALLY can't understand why people who disagree with me can even exist"
>>751950296
I feel like it's a combination of lack of firearms education (what the device can actually do, how it behaves, proper safety) and overblown emotional response to when they are misused.
In other news, doesn't it seem odd that the left wants to expand firearms restrictions while at the same time deeply mistrusting the police and outright hating the military?
>>751959097
Liberal don’t advocate for that though. They want Federal background checks on transfer and initial purchases. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
>>751951491
What if I'm only two of those? Do I get a pass?
>>751957523
That should be an awesome combo!
>>751958080
Me too.
I've got a few sets of Nills Grips like those, they're extremely well made and finished.
>>751958897
Lol. More than half of /b/ agrees with you. Good luck tho.
>>751959097
ok. if you cannot protect yourself with your own body, do you have a real reason to protect yourself at all? what are you protecting? a worthless pile of decaying organs with meager to completely degenerate genetics?
tldr; why do you think you deserve the right to protect yourself, and not deserve to die if you cannot without the aid of firepower?
>>751959330
Not him, but you're totally retarded. Not surprising, considering the way you write. You basically sound like an edgy little kid under the age of 25.
>>751959203
i understand why you exist, you merely assume i do. such is the meager neural capacity that you can climb to. you need fthe aid of everyone around you, and a metric ton of technology, otherwise, poor old maggot number 2453463346466 cannot survive...
>>751958202
The left's current policy is all in or you're one of the nazis.
>>751951567
>>751951976
I feel like there might be a bit more behind it, but this is what it looks like on the surface.
When you come down to it, a mini14 is more or less equivalent to an AR-15 in the ways that really matter, and nobody gives a fuck because it looks like grandpa's hunting rifle.
>>751959453
if that was how i write, i have no future, just like you. no, im just forcing you to think about something you have not though of. and you do not like that, since you cannot handle your life, let alone the existence of others
>>751958766
Thats the issue though, they're not bought legally. Barring our retarded government selling american guns to criminals abroad (fast and the furious) most guns in gang violence are not ever legally sold in the US.
Yes there are some break ins to homes, gun shops and firearms factories, but by and large the gangs in the US get parts in the US, the barrel, trigger, stock, grips ect. They then outsource the receiver (the part actually called the gun by the ATF) from other places. Hell these days you can just buy a 5k 3d printer and make them yourself.
For those that don't know you can buy 79% (ATF number) or an AR 15 with no paperwork or background check. Its just a small part that is actually called "the gun".
The idea that gang guns are coming from "legal law abiding sources" in the US is just bullshit. If you want to regulate parts you're talking about a background check for a pipe at home depot. Obviously just stupid.
>>751959620
>more little kid pretending to have deep thoughts because he smokes pot bruh
Let me just tell you this so you never get confused: You're not smart. You're never going to be smart. That ship sailed a long time ago.
>>751958884
>still unable to refute the points provided with any more than insults
>>751959255
Because you can't trust the government to conduct those background checks. You can't hire someone to decide who's an idiot, or who's crazy, and pay them for every idiot or crazy that they declare, (which is how government funded mental health works.) Because eventually they'll declare everyone.
>>751959671
you speak out of your ass, and pretend it is your mouth. you pick fights with children, since you cannot rival adults. you are nothing now, and you will return to nothing, just like the rest of your lineage
>>751959493
Apparently there are over 245 billion people in the world. Or maybe you're just an autistic retard with delusions of nobility.
>>751959802
>STILL unable to refute the points provided, so you STILL turn to insults
It make me feel warm and fuzzy that the anit gunz can't even form a paragraph logically explaining their position. This doesn't surprise me because to be a nogunz you can't have an IQ over room temperature anyway.
>>751959757
Sure kid.
>>751959765
We trust the government to handle giving out driver licenses, with our taxes and social security, Medicare and social security, military shit, and other shit, but not to run a background checks system?
>>751960138
No one is banning guns dude. It’s a universal background system and registry.
>>751960029
>currently there are 245 billion people
no i did not count the current population. I made a rough estimation that took me 2 seconds, a particular theoretical ((sect)) of individuals who have carried the genetic marker for whatever degenerative disease you are doomed with, over millenia upon millenia
>>751960176
>implying that "we" actually trust them to do all those things.
I don't.
>>751960176
The things you listed aren't things inherently outlined as rights to limit the tyrannical power of government.
>>751950296
We don't hate guns. We hate the fucks you give them to.
>>751960238
registration is confiscation, no difference at all.
I agree with universal backgrounds to buy a gun, but once that check is done it's done, buy and sell as much as you want to anyone else in the network for say 3 years, then get rechecked.
Tracking every gun transfer isn't even a think veil to "we know what doors we're going to kick in"
Liberal here. We don't hate guns. We just hate ignorant gun laws that let anyone who doesn't have a record buy a gun and bump-stock so they can shoot 90 rounds per minute at a massive crowd of civilians.
>>751960074
i am right wing, i just see you picking fights with children that cant even open their eyes to read. why? there is much worse out there, why not challenge yourself? oh, i forget, you are malleable trash that sways in any direction in order to obtain some self respect.
I know guns should have never been invented. they are aplague upon society, and even rats like you. make a concrete statement, one without your predictable feelings which made you the genetic disaster you are now. open your filthy mouth and speak your mind, pheasant.
>>751960545
I have a bump stock
Its called my penis
>>751960668
most intelligent poster in the thread so far. know your place, fool.
>>751960639
>pheasant
>>751960781
picture was pretty entertaining. still, does not change my mind whatsoever, nor a single word of my last post. make an argument, or submit, pheasant scum
>>751960966
Pretty sure everyone is just tired of you trying to pretend you're not a retard. Not who you were arguing with btw.
>>751952635
this is bullshit. That's actually the opposite. The more racist people are the one who live among themselves, far away from actual "multicultural" areas.
>>751960966
lol, pheasant.
>>751960668
Very funny
>>751951567
Well, that is right since lefties and liberals are too stupid to understand anything so they will fear anything that isnt presented good by the media
>>751956318
No space is safe when I COULD KILL A BUILDING!
>>751950296
I am sort of liberal but not in the retarded I'M WITH HER type of group. I definitely lean left and I love guns. I just hate neoconservatives and stupid rednecks.
>>751956661
Absolutely. They'd move to knives or clubs or run each other down with trucks.
>>751953670
You'll be fighting a government armed with robots that can see in the dark. Your rifle won't be of much use when drones can pop you from a mile away.
>>751960176
I know you're not saying the dmv was a good idea. Anyone who has been to the dmv knows it's shit. We made a mistake in trusting the government to control motor transportation.
Medicare as a safety net has failed like all other social programs by creating a welfare state that constricts private enterprise by forcing workers and proprietors to give more and more as more and more people become fed up with working to make someone elses check who does nothing.
Social security is in the hole as people who payed into it their entire lives find all of that money they payed into it to be gone. Taken by the goverment to finance wars they started using the...
Military we trusted out government with (to learn how that fucked up see social security)
So do i feel inclined to trust the same government that robbed my grandparents and left my great grandfather melting away with dementia in a shitty government funded seneors dying center in the hunched over in the fetal position so that they could finance a 16 year long war in the middle east that they're using as an excuse to monitor my internet, feel me up at airports, flood the west with shitskin refugees, and basically whipe their ass with the bill of rights to head up an organizationnthat decides if i can excersize the one ammendment that i can use to fight to unfuck this situation?
NO YOU FUCKING LEFTIST FAGGOT.
>>751951567
liberals are barely leftists, how long will it take you dumb fucks to realize this
on the proper left a lot of us have no issue with guns. Own a few myself
>>751961085
ok
im back from a more important issue. what were you saying? still with the ad hominem attacks, pheasant? enjoy your worthless existence while you have it, since your personal habits will eventually override any technological advancements and end your miserable, poor and replaceable life. i know its hard for you to think, but if you try very hard, you might have an original insult that doesnt have a picture to go along with it. its possible, i promise.
"everyone". who is everyone? if every single person living, dead, and yet to exist disagreed with the truth, the truth would not change. i though this is what /b/ is for, unfiltered opinions, unmasked by the populist left. what has it become, with the likes of you typing away with the assistance of your personal carer?
>>751957841
>implying being Berkeley is something to aspire to
>>751960238
It's a facility to confiscation and outright illegalization. A means to an end.
>>751962193
People might actually read you posts if you capitalized them properly. It's really not worth it at this point.
>>751950296
>liberal here
i dont
>>751960278
That's even less people, sperg.
>>751962063
lol. whats the use of complaining without action, bud? you think how literate human beings do, yet all you do is complain. Are you on HRT? if so, i understand, otherwise, where is your personal drive?
>>751960639
>>751960966
>>751962193
Oh no! You have seen through my cunning ruse!
>>751962440
classical liberals need not apply
>>751962371
not going to capitalize. i dont expect donations or even my posts to be read by the likes of you, so no effort is spent typing them out correctly. this is merely an exercise, since i need to take a break from things the likes of would dream of doing.
>>751950296
dont hate guns but also dont like the idea that there's so many in the US with all the hatred and ignorance about race and religion.
>>751962504
lol now this was original. this is why /b/ is here, to entertain me. thank you, apparently pheasants can respect actual homo sapiens
>>751962639
>i'm going to keep being a nigger
>>751950296
Because liberals depend on others to extend their lifespan. Everyone else takes care of their own shit.
>>751962456
Can you rewrite this so it makes sense
>>751962763
You're kidding, right? I'm off to shit on a statue of the badass grandfather you're disappointing right now.
>>751950296
You mean "Leftist liberals". They love niggers, and guns can kill their niggers
>>751962454
have you had ((the talk)) with your parents yet? if so you would have learned that it takes a mommy and a daddy to create life, no matter what the leftists may have you believe. the parents of a new mongrel are usually older than the inbred moron, therefore, when you realize that the koran is not the truth, and the earth is nearly 4.6 billion years old, and our species has been on its surface for thousands of generations, and our common ancestors longer than that, you realize that you missed out on a high school education while you were planning to shoot up the school
Every single person from California, and New York are faggots, pussies, niggers, and kikes. None of you should be able to go through life without first trying to survive a Flammenwerfer.
>>751963012
good luck, he was probably some sheep fucker. i dont come from anyone special, just like you. i have respect for the well off due to merely their current condition, if they lose their amassed wealth, they are useless trash, herded like you, the common pheasants, are.
>>751950296
1. "liberalism" is a mental disorder
2. "liberals" have no boundaries
3. "liberals" project their insanity and lack of self control onto everyone.
They literally think everyone is as fucked in the head as they are.
>>751963213
*New York City
I live in western NY and I know more farmers who own more guns than anyone you've ever met.
>>751962788
not a sub-saharan, however, i like your insults. even cockroaches can be entertaining, if you admire them in the correct light.
>>751963127
The people that make up my genetic marker, that can officially be recorded by your spergy rick and morty citizen identification number system is less than the number of people currently living on the planet, chowtard.
>>751963007
why? what matters is that i made a potential response to you and uploaded it. its not up to me whether you stick around to read it or even have the capacity to. what sense would it make for me to cater to your ((special)) needs? truth often needs to be decoded, and the potentially dangerous words are not understood by the common folk. the pen is mightier than the sword, if you need a large group of plebs to kill each other. getting the lesser all riled up and angry is a pastime of many a great man.
>>751963668
im not even going to mention the name of the show you typed out, for i fear i might suffer a stroke. that was to prove a point, clearly lost by the likes of you. might as well forget heights you will never reach, since that will make you angry. the lower class tends to get angry easily.
however, chowtard, ooh. interesting. i might use that. well done, child, that is a fun one.
>>751963668
>>751963127
And even if it weren't, not every one of my ancestors was a citizen of the US, so counting them would begin at my great gread great great grandparents arrival in the united states, since this isn't the world doesn't end at the borders of your warhammer 40000 game table and we still live in a world of nations
overall, 10/10 thread.
everyone is too polarized in America anymore... it always comes down to "us" versus "them"...
the rich and corrupt are playing the masses like fools by pitting them against each other by using race, religion, and economic status. the worst part is the citizens are eating it up all the while losing their freedoms.
with everyone taking up sides I'm surprised there aren't more mass shootings
>>751964217
'murica
>>751964147
youre getting there, but itll take you a couple of years at uni in order to get anywhere. there is always hope for the maggot, if he is hungry enough.
>>751964051
Lol. You type as if you sound like an evil wizard from a ralph bakshi cartoon, or the comic book guy from the simpsons.
>>751964387
Dude, you're the maggot. Posing as a wizard on an anonymous discussion board to larp as anything other than the basement dweller we all know you are is proof of that.
>>751964392
thanks, pheasant
>>751964723
Can you DM for my d&d group?
>>751950296
>be liberal
>like guns
Yeah. I don't think all liberals hate guns there fella. Vocal minority maybe, but not the majority. Pic very related
>>751950296
They just hate people dying from gun violence
>>751965900
So why are they always committing gun violence? We need to disarm Democrats. This will reduce gun crime by nearly 100%.
>>751950296
Because they can't ban people.
>>751965523
FAL master race
>>751950296
Because it will give them more power to control you.
>>751963213
I'm from California.
These are me:
>>751951567
>>751954332
>>751956312
>>751956980
>>751959298
>>751950296
No liberal I know hates guns, dont own any my self more of a bow guy, but fuck I love going shooting for fun. we just think they should be regulated at least as much as a car is maybe some kind of licence to prove your not a mongoloid, then again I live in Appalachia. and my personal take is anyone that needs a gun for defense or hunting is secretly a big bleedy pussy.
