Standard religion bait thread. Why do muhfeels love their morally and physically absent god? Besides your own personal experiences (but post them anyway because I like how they're always bullshit) what logical reasons do you have for believing in a higher power?
>>751911266
Because asshole like you dont - therefore it must be true.
The "You Are An Asshole Teleological" argument.
>>751911266
shameless bump of self
Stfu you will hate a jew but take up for a muslim in a second without realizing. Too stupid to understand that? Hypocrite.
>>751911266
>LOGical
>>751911482
Are you a moron? I never mentioned any religion in particular. I wouldn't take up for a muslim or a jew who actually practiced what their holy texts teach.
>>751911266
How about just being cool with the idea that it's an ancient code of morality. Something dudes following the atheist religion don't get, you have no standing to be moral faggot, and if I didn't have jesus i would fuck you up just like back in high school pussy.
>>751911633
>ancient code of morality
The reason why I'm not cool with it.
>atheist religion
An antithesis of religion, not a religion itself.
>if I didn't have jesus
Your shitpost exemplifies the morally bankrupt fuckwits who need religion to be good.
>>751911428
Go to sleep
>>751911819
Give me a modern reason to be moral. If your not cool with your ancients, you know the reason you are here those who fought and died for there family which became your neet ass.
>>An antithesis of religion, not a religion itself.
Your religion is the most easiest to troll.
>>Your shitpost exemplifies the morally bankrupt fuckwits who need religion to be good.
EXACTLY! we need at least like a sliver of a reason not to be cunts. Because trust me TRUST ME I Wish that doubt wasn't there that i might not go to hell cause i would have so much fun before i died otherwise.
Religion is beautiful. Has a very rich history. But like everything it too has its dark side
Atheism is mainly ugly including the majority of atheists. I would hate to be included in such an eyesore.
Agnostic master race. We actually get laid and are more popular.
>>751911266
>LOGical
>>751911428
fpbp
if atheism was the best path, it wouldn't be crowded with degenerates and faggots
so many faggots who are boastful atheists
we know you by your fruits
>>751911266
hurr durr, spaghetti monster, hurr durr, people of faith are dumb, hurr derp spend all my time disproving and looking down on religious people
How about mind your own business and get on with your own life
>>751912134
>Atheism
>Agnostic
You're either trolling, or don't have a firm understanding of what those words mean.
You can be a
Agnostic Theist
Agnostic Atheist
or a
Gnostic Theist
Gnostic Atheist
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xYfdTNkmGE
nobody's forcing you to go to church, just as this "higher power" doesn't need you to justify its existence; whether or not you need that higher power is what matters
>>751912656
Hurr durr you retards are as bad as the gender pro-noun retards.
atheism is just a religion for stupid people who weren't raised going to church, atheism doesn't exclude you from being a fanatical zealot that get's all preachy and bible-thumpy
>>751912822
Well no, It's just the fancy word to discern between the hard and soft positions:
>There is a God
>There could / could not be a God, but i'm convinced there is
>There is no God
>There could / could not be a God, but i'm convinced there isn't
>>751913134
Jesus give me strength.
Do you accept mathematics?
Is it more probable that we will be the first to create simulations of reality? or that we are living in a simulation?
>>751913274
I'm just defining terms anon, I'm not going to argue the brain in a vat fallacy with you.
>>751913274
not that guy but you need proof to make those claims, otherwise you're just theorizing
probability isn't an argument in this case
>>751911633
Guise if i didn't have magic sky daddy to control me who would?
Kek
>>751912131
here are a few modern reasons to be moral:
1.Empathy
2.Its the law
3.Don't do something you wouldn't want done to you
4.People like you more
5.Its easier to get along in society
How can you not see these reasons? The religious argument that atheists have no moral background is an argument of pure ignorance and if you thought about it you would see how stupid it is.
>>751913426
>>probability isn't an argument in this case
Why? There's no proof for god or against why can't we use probability?
>>751911266
>Haha yes I liked “I FUCKING love science” page on normiebook and I watch Rick and Morty I have such a wide understanding of science from molecular biology to quantum physics xD
>>751913274
>>751913415
>>751913426
sounds to me like you guys got shut down.
Religion is just a form of social control used to control an uneducated public through teaching morals through storytelling. Anything beyond considering that text as stories is pure bullshit
>>751913613
> I have such a wide understanding of science from molecular biology to quantum physics
Some of us actually do
>>751913578
Because we only have one Universe, you have no others to compare it to. The chances of you and I being born and having this conversation are astronomical, but you have 1 instance of it happening, and Zero of it not. Assertion of probability isn't an argument.
>>751913576
1.Really Empathy? lol
2.Something based off religion yeah good one.
3.I don't want to suck a dick but want mine sucked.
4.Who the fuck goes through life only caring about being 'liked'?
5.That's just not true. It's sooooo much easier to get along without morality, i just don't get why you woudn't be able to see that.
Your only reasons are that society is constructed this way(through religion) as reasons to be moral.
>>751913578
>There's no proof for god or against why can't we use probability?
because you there is no useful data, probability as an argument only works when there is useful data to calculate said probability
your probability that god might exist is based on absolutely zero data, the only probability that a god might exist is based on the fact that we don't have any data at all, so it makes relying on probability in the case useless
with this level of data we can make any sort of wild claim that something might exist, your imagination becomes irrational number in this equation
>>751911266
>atheists
>smart
>>751913782
huh? so you don't believe in probability and mathematics by extension.
>>Because we only have one Universe, you have no others to compare it to.
Do you know that? or are you taking it on faith?
>>751913741
I’m not saying all atheists are larping scientist, but the person who made this “meme” certainly is.
>>751913576
>>751913878
>>3.Don't do something you wouldn't want done to you
>3.I don't want to suck a dick but want mine sucked.
Funny thing is, I think the bible actually puts it the other way around, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
>>751913904
IS IT MORE LIKLEY WE ARE THE ONLY ONES TO CREATE SIMULATIONS OR ARE SIMULATED!
learn to read faggot.
Your religion belief in there not being a god, is still faith.
>>751914050
no useful data
try to refrain from becoming too emotional
>>751914138
Atheists are so bad at critical thinking.
>>751914215
suggesting that something might exist in a particular situation with some/incomplete data can be considered critical thinking
but what you're doing is just patronizing the imagination
and no I'm not an atheist, I don't even care about what other people believe, I'm just trying to convey that your argument is irrational
>>751913645
It's more like there are three of us who don't want to argue worn out old fallacy's with a person who thinks Atheism / Science is a religion, 'faith' is a pathway to truth, and meanwhile doesn't understand the fundamentals of the words (a)Gnostic and (A)Theist.
When people are this delusional / irrational it's time to walk away
Inb4 he flames this post with another fallacy, He's up to 'Brain in a vat' and 'probability', I'm guessing 'universe from nothing' is next, 'Morality from God' is being used I think by another anon.
There are no people religious people on 4chan, only trolls :)
Well, I don't know mane. Human beings are hopeful beings by nature and religion IS the easiest manifestation of said desire of hope. I personally don't identify with any "mainstream" (or any other retarded term you want to use) religion. I believe (yes, BELIEVE instead of KNOW because I have no confirmation aside of my faith) in what I consider a spectator creator. I believe that God or whatever did not specifically created everything, but instead, put into motion the series of events that resulted in the creation of everything. For example, the Big Bang could have been an occurrence caused by God messing around with stuff. But as I said, he is not only creator, but also limited by the title of spectator, which implies he doesn't directly influence what happens. The frequency of his involvement could be anywhere from sometimes to not at all. After all, the basis of Christianity is the concept of free will. We can do whatever we want, but have to attain to the consequences later. The common threat is what we call hell, which some depict as a place of eternal suffering and pain. But if you're dead, and your soul is just ethereal essence, how can you physically suffer? That's why I consider that hell is actually the absence of God for all eternity, since being away for all eternity from the only light of hope we all aspire to reach all our lives would be, from my perspective, the worst of punishments. Sorry if I rambled too much xD.
>>751914430
>>Assuming that mathematical probability is just imagination.
You know Einstein came up with the theory of relativity and special relativity with incomplete data sets, stop being so autistic.
>>751914453
You walk away from debate's a lot i bet.
>>751914628
>directly influence what happens
Then he is indistinguishable from a God that doesn't exist
-Your talking about 'Deism', which is the most worthless position to be in. It's a cowardly half way between belief and non-belief.
>Deism is a form of Monotheism in which it is believed that one God exists, but that this God does not intervene in the world, or interfere with human life and the laws of the universe.
It's human nature to have something to look up to, methinks. Christfag here, btw.
>>751914694
>You know Einstein came up with the theory of relativity and special relativity with incomplete data sets
indeed he did, but he did so with useful data, he didn't just assert that relativity "might exist" because "it's possible"
this is what you're doing essentially
>>751911266
You are a member of the most dangerous and murderous religion ever to exist, government. Fuck off autist.
Because perfect God (Allah) revealed perfect book (Koran) to perfect Moslem (Mohammed) with perfect message for all mankind.
>It clearly says so right in the Koran
>>751915054
Yes he did you idiot. He didn't KNOW he was right, he used MATHEMATICS and assumed.
>>751915496
>He didn't KNOW he was right, he used USEFUL DATA and DETERMINED
there i fixed it for you
>>751915600
and that useful data was...?????
>>751914694
That's because science is descriptive not proscriptive.
It's our best explanation of the observable universe, it makes no proclamations of truth.
But what's more is you're setting up a false equivalence fallacy
>Mathematics are true
>Einstein used Mathematics
>God is probably real
>>751915776
>it makes no proclamations of truth.
funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks anon
>>751915677
a culmination of mathmatical data extracted from direct observation of celestial events by hundreds of peers over decades of research
you didn't honestly think that one single person divined relativity all by himself, he was a smart guy but the whole system in which he operated was propped up long before he was born
Atheist here. I'm moral because of my understanding of human suffering, I don't want anyone to suffer and I don't want anarchy or the type of world described in revelations or the Kali Yuga so I think everyone should have a moral compass. Nihilism is more dangerous and prevalent in modern society than atheism. If Christianity gives you peace of mind then good for you. I just hope you don't honestly expect an afterlife because an afterlife would require a type of physics that there's no peoof of
>>751915776
>Mathematics are true
>Einstein used Mathematics
>We have the ability to create simulations
>We are less likely to be the first to create simulations
>We then likely live in a simulation
>God is probably real
Fixed that for you.
>>751915027
Well I'm worthless indeed. As worthless as any other human being in this planet. If elephants walked around thinking constantly about all the ants they are utterly crushing under they feet (huh, do elephant "feet" have an specific term like paw or something) they would die of stress. Why should a literally omnipotent, omnipresent, unending, all-reaching, all-powerful being bother itself with us? If he does is because he cares, but if he doesn't is because he doesn't even exist? Is like when you kill a cockroach. You don't necessarily do it because you explicitly hate them or because they are dirty or propagate diseases, etc. It could be only one of those, all of those, or a combination of all of them. And no one can REALLY communicate with God so no one can confirm how he feels and his intentions. So if he is either too powerful or too careless to interfere with us in any meaningful way, why should We even bother to care about him? That's why I'm not thinking about God 24/7. I just acknowledge his possible existence (I can see how that makes me worthless you got that right lol) and keep going on with my life. Also, Pic unrelated, I don't think you are edgy at all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just ran out of WH40K memes. My folder got erased accidentally :c
>>751915906
So, you didn't read your Bible today?
>>751915934
The cognitive dissonance in you dude's is just wow. So Math wasn't used? that's all i'm defending Math.
>>751915967
You're just a cuck. You don't want a ouchy world.
>>751911266
ITT Insecure teens try to convince themselves that they aren't totally worthless virgins and fail badly
>>751916155
Nice try at a moral equivalency argument.
>>751916004
>We are less likely to be the first to create simulations
Assertion, you have no way to demonstrate this
>We then likely live in a simulation
Assertion, you have no way to demonstrate this
>God is probably real
Assertion, you have no way to demonstrate this
This might be the 10th time in this thread several anons have pointed this out to you.
All atheist are pedophiles , you have a loli folder don't you
>>751916256
>moral equivalency
I don't think you know what those words mean, at no point was my remark about morality. I think your just trying to be smart by copy pasting >>751915776
> false equivalence fallacy
^Which is a real thing
>>751916163
>a culmination of mathmatical data
>So Math wasn't used?
>The cognitive dissonance in you dude's is just wow
you know I can agree with you on that
you're black aren't you
>>751916308
Wow you autist must be smarter then Elon Musk, soooo smart n gud at critikal thinkin.
https://www.theverge.com/2016/6/2/11837874/elon-musk-says-odds-living-in-simulation
>>751916448
Hell no, yuk.
>>751916163
Who does want an "ouchy world"? There would be no peace and no peace of mind
>>751916467
What where actually talking about is the 'Brain in a Vat (Fallacy) see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
Which is an example of Hard Solipsism, See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism
The conclusion one can make is, It's irrelevant if our existence is an simulation, because the simulation =/= the known universe to us.
I don't really care what position Elon Musk has taken on the matter (Farther than a curiosity)
>>751911266
U started to type out a response, then realized you are a faggot...
>>751916679
Yeah but that's what you're living. Every human has a tragedy and will have more in the future, there are cute little bunnys getting there throats ripped out right now..
>>751916793
* Or anyone for that matter, it's an unsolvable philosophical idea
>>751916793
How is it a Fallacy? other then you assuming it is.
No if our existence is a simulation it is still a form of reality, we do exist.
>>751916410
um, no, you would be incorrect.
>>751916467
>smarter then Elon Musk
who released a fail of a tractor trailer.
>>751917038
nigga does you even unnstan wut a fallacy iz dawg?
god damn negros do have a hard time with abstractions
>>751917270
because to them, abstract and real are synonymous. They brains cannot tell the difference.
>>751917038
Well, First i'll point out that after you've (repeatedly) been called out for inserting unfalsifiable premises into an argument to reach a false conclusion, you decided to attack my character
>soooo smart n gud at critikal thinkin.
Secondly Solipsism has no logical conclusion, it's a abstract unsolvable philosophical exercise. It's not in itself a fallacy, But the 'brain in a vat' scenario (a subset of Solipsism) could be considered fallacious.
But look, this is probably the fourth or fifth time I've had to explain the basic groundwork of epistemological arguments to you, for everyone sake, and i'm not being snarky, write down your arguments, then go out and figure out if they're good and sound before you present them. I don't feel like bouncing off into another topic with you.
>>751917270
/This
This is why
>>751914800
Is true
>>751917465
>They brains cannot tell the difference.
>They brains
your ego has some seriously strong defense mechanism
>>751911266
comrade, the modern religion of catholics is indeed shit, based soley on 'muhfeels'
for me and perhaps a few others God is something to swear by, something to get out of bed for in morning, which you atheists seem to lack sorely
something to live for, something to fight for, something to die for
maybe you are right and there is nothing beyond, but it is nice to think that all comrades are in sky, having nice talk over bottle of vodka
>>751912131
lol bro there is no hell. have fun faggot
>>751917700
>fight for, something to die for
Which is a good thing, less car bombings and trucks driving through crowds
Found the Muslim
>>751917533
Your obversely smarter then Elon Musk. Smarter then anyone who put's there faith in mathematics. I don't know why your here in the first place.
>>751917813
this guy constantly talking about faith in mathematics, probably doesn't even know how to find square root without a calculator
>i got fafe in muh mafmatics, lawd preach it
>>751911266
Because religious fags are egotistical as fuck and they fear death.
>>751917802
idi nahui, kebab
>>751912478
Every religion and belief is full of degenerates and faggots.
>>751917813
>faith in mathematics
Yup, I really don't know at this point either,
By the by I haven't said a single mean thing to you, Just had a conversation, It's sad then when shown there is something you're fundamentally wrong about, you decide to resort to shit talking.
(I'm talking about the argument(s) you presented, not your belief in general)
>>751918080
Kek'd
>>751912131
The reason to not be a cunt is the fact that this life is all you and everyone else have. This is it. So make yours and everyone else's experience as pleasant as possible. If you can't fold that into your moral code then you shouldn't be around the rest of us. The fact that everyone has the capacity to suffer just like you do should open you up to compassion.
>>751918264
Apparently not islam, "its the best ever" fact the most hated are jews for no real reason other than Jesus
>>751918295
I apologize for being mean, you did be cool.
BUT brain in the vat is only a fallacy if you don't accept that we are more likely in a simulation then not.
>>751918461
>Apparently not islam, "its the best ever"
If you're tied up, about to be beheaded with a rusty spork and need help, blink twice
>>751918446
I feel this is kinda self evident. Being a cunt is a lot more fun then not being one.
Compassion just leads you to being taking advantage of. Try it.
>>751911266
So you say you gotta know why the world goes around
But you can’t find the truth in the things you’ve found
But you’re scared shitless cause evil abounds
Come join us
>>751918656
All we want to have is your small mind......... turn it into one of our own kind.... come join us, whoah oh come join us!
>>751916467
The simulation thing is just a complicated version of "I make things. So things must have been made by somebody" bullshit. It's just more egotistical crap just like the concept of a living god.
i found god
it's called reaction, it exists in all things
The only reason I can justify believing in god currently is because there still is a ton that we are still unaware of. So maybe there is a god but we've just been looking at the idea of god wrong. I'd like to think god isn't a being but rather the connectedness between people and the joy we can experience.
>>751918847
not enough data
>>751918546
>only a fallacy if you don't accept
Well no it isn't, not for that reason.
But look, putting that aside, even if we 'are' a brain in a vat, in the matrix, in a computer simulation. That doesn't get you to a God, much less the specific God you believe in. (I didn't see this anywhere in the Bible)
How did you rule out other Gods, Aliens, evil scientists, the Jews?
It's similar to the cosmological argument, In that you still have to 'add to it' to get to a 'god'
(Please, please lets not go there too)
>>751916871
Sure. And within my capabilities I try to make sure that those around me aren't suffering a stressful or painful fate.
What the fuck is your point? Of course there's suffering in the world. If you can prevent it, you should.
>>751918932
>How did you rule out
**That's even assuming it's artificial and we didn't become this way by natural means
>>751918956
suffering is life
peace is death, bringing peace to someone suffering is essentially bringing them closer to death
their suffering is your peace, your need to bring them peace is your suffering
>>751918654
What?
You're a fucking idiot. Compassion =/= being naive and unaware of the truths in this world. Nor does it mean weakness. Just like how being a cunt doesn't exactly equal constantly being on the advantageous side of things.
>>751911633
We're a social species that survived on cooperation.
Morality evolved naturally from that, simply because "How would my actions affect my tribe", the point we are at now is just working on expanding that tribe to all people and making general rules for what is okay and what isn't okay to do to each other.
It's a social contract we adhere to in order to not fall victim to other people. Now that might come down to "do to others what you would have them do to you", but you don't have to be religious to consider that a good idea.
i believe because check out these dubs
>>751919029
>more likely in a simulation then not.
***And this is an unfalsifiable assertion, for the last time you have no way to assess the probability or even likelihood of this
>>751918847
Then why even bother calling it "god"? At that point, the concept of a living God like in abrahamic religions has been abandoned and we're just using the word as some kind of validation towards their make believe crap?
>>751919148
>the point we are at now is just working on expanding that tribe to all people
more like eliminating people
>>751919249
Yeah, there are some religious people who think that is okay, we gotta fight against that notion.
>>751919315
>it's based on religion
>>751919220
I'd call it god because its what really feels good. To me it's god. everyone has to find their own reason to exist.
>>751918932
Yeah but we are at least on the same page that there is likely a god. The specific can be be whatever race you are, who cares, but if we are made in god's image and it is more likley you would simulate in your own image it kinda makes sence no? The bible isn't perfect.
>>751918956
Why? without any kinda foundation for morality other then "You should" why shouldn't i just try to get the most in my self interest? (Being cool with your family n friends is in your self interest by the way)
>>751919465
that's a fairly dangerous sentiment
would advise you from passing it along
>>751911266
My logic is, how did the universe start existing without a god? That's why I think a god exists. But I don't believe in any religion. Also some things I consider, that with all the infinite different ways the universe could work, it works in a way to allow life to exist. And also me being born a human, the only intelligent species, when there are trillions of other organisms. These are some reasons I think there is a god.
>>751919584
Elaborate oh mysterious one
>>751919382
And that religion grew from us being social animals.
We saw a positive way of living and codified it into rules from on high, in order to keep the people who didn't get this naturally in line.
>>751919148
A social construct based off Christianity, not naturally there are other 'social codes'. If you are a atheist i have no idea why you would still fake being a good boi for the sake of "do you others what you would have them do to you" see my other point "i would like my dick sucked but wouldnt like to suck a dick"
>>751919612
>when there are trillions of other organisms
Now look up the probability of some of those organisms having equal or higher intelligence to us and realize that our position in life isn't that unique if you follow the math.
>>751919382
>implying it isn't.
mentioning a does not exclude b, c, d, e, ....
religion is "A" reason for us waging war against each other.
Just as economics & ideology are reasons, too.
>>751919467
>same page that there is likely a god
No, because where we are from the start of the thread, to the end, And you have provided nothing to support that claim as being evident.
You're probably going to say I've done nothing to show there isn't, and that's true. What I've done so far is show the arguments you've provided to be unfalsifiable or fallacious.
So where basically back to square one. Why are we here? Because people much smarter and better informed than you and I have been talking about this for centuries to no result.
But lastly, If you don't think the Bible is an authoritative and perfect work of God, and / or that their being a God is more important than it being the God of the Bible, why believe it? (The Bible specifically) How did you rule out the other God claims and religions? Did you give them any thought at all, or are you doing as you where told by someone else?
>>751919806
Well if I want my dick sucked by someone who don't have a dick, I'll lick their equivalent genitalia.
Basically if you want your dick sucked, eat some pussy.
>>751919881
>where we are
*here
>>751919838
blaming religion is like blaming the color of clothes for gang violence
>>751919966
Did the color of your clothes tell you to make a explosive vest and walk into a crowd?
>>751911266
DMT, Psilocybin, and LSD.
I have yet to meet an athiest who has explored psychedelics.
If you like science so much, then you'll love trying to make sense of some of the things you'll feel and see.
but you won't try them because you're creating a religion bait thread on b to begin with tbh..
Pretending that you have any answers is the real meme here. We're all ignorant, and it's beautiful.
>>751919806
>based off Christianity
false, these moral codes predate even the abrahamic area.
they are as basic as agri-culture, and developed even before we formed the first permanent settlements.
since a society without that principle is impossible to exist.
religion just high-jacked common sense and declared it god's law at some point.
>>751920066
DMT made me question what the fuck this entire thing is
>>751920066
Hiya, I'm an atheist who has experimented with both LSD and Psilocybin.
They taught me a lot about how my mind works, but gave me no proof of any gods.
>>751919966
nope, it isn't.
even without the crusades as obvious, glaring example for warfare committed over controlling cult-locations, tell me about the conflicts between sunni's / shia
or hindus / muslims in general.
or jews / muslims
or - just a couple of centuries ago - jews / christians
religion was and is A reason for war, up to modern days.
>>751919881
>> Because people much smarter and better informed than you and I have been talking about this for centuries to no result.
No, that's an appeal to authority fallacy, You and me both even have this trans-human ability of the internet, so no i just don't accept that.
>>How did you rule out the other God claims and religions?
Because i'm white and white is right. The bible is not perfect or do i take it literally, it's just a moral code by our ancestors corrupted by old and new politics. I like other religions but i like my one, i want to retake Constantinople.
>>751920026
if you remove religion does you honestly think violence will decrease?
you have yet to understand human nature if you believe religion as being a reason for anything
>>751919467
The morality comes from your own understanding of how everything fits together. From the recognition of your own emotional capabilities in others. Compassion as a sense of intelligence.
See, the problem here is that you're an idiot.
>>751919966
I retract this post
>>751920248
in fact, religion is as stupid as gangs wearing different colored clothes and killing each other for these differences.
>>751919948
>>equivalent genitalia.
Such a cuck.
>>751920087
>>since a society without that principle is impossible to exist.
See Africa. It still exist doesn't it?
religion is a complement to science; it fills in the emotional gaps and metaphysical blanks.
ATHIESTS CAN'T SPELL ICUP
SPELL IT, ATHIESTS
>>751920248
religion is irrelevant, all those instances of violence you mention happen because people with power and authority dictate that it happens to other people with opposing power and authority
gang members kill each other because one side as power and and is in competition with the other
when you blame religion for violence you're protecting the original source of the violence, the people in charge
you think bombing ISIS fighter is going to stop islamic violence? nope
try bombing saudi arabia and iran instead, this is where their leadership exists
people are so wrapped up in ideologies today that they've forgotten that it's actually people that control them and everything
>>751920398
What? the vagina is the equivalent genitalia of the penis for women.
Calling me a cuck doesn't make you right.
Also Africa is full of tribes, where people work together and have rules for how they get to treat each other. You're just acting superior because your tribe is larger and has a written down moral code.
>>751920338
So morality is just a pragmatic understanding of knowing your role?
Try just being compassionate, trust me you will be taking advantage of, that's boi shit.
>>751920491
Uh... Concentrate, concentrate
I-C-U-P
>>751920066
I'm not theistic at all and I do dmt and lsd.
See, the problem that you've run into with your psychedelic use is that you're still a moron.
>>751920629
HAHA I SAID SPELL "IT"
YOU ATHIESTS ON SOME DUMB
>what possible reason do you have for believing in a higher power
Because there's a delay in awareness, so my decisions are made before I know it, rendering the entire universe a greater intelligent being, or myself an unintelligent combination of responsive matter.
>>751920252
>authority fallacy
It's not a fallacy because i wasn't presenting an argument, nor was I pointing to an authority.
>i'mwhite and white is right
>i like my one
I'm going to assume your not the same anon and just shittalking
>>751920279
Yes, (Pic related)
There is also evidence supporting the more fanatical the person, the more heinous their crime. There is evidence showing the more religious the society, the worse they rank with education, healthcare and crime
**Note i didn't say eliminate, I said decrease (Crime / Violence)
>>751920560
Being a man means something at the very least it means inherenting a genome that use to be a warrior genome and all the bullshit that come's with that, if you think having a pussy is the same as having a cock, then you are cucking yourself, you are a disposable person, you will have to walk outside the fire into the darkness when it's real. Be a man.
>>751920580
If that's how you see it then enjoy your shitty life I guess.
Not just your role, but your potential. You'll clearly never understand what I'm trying to explain to you. You aren't particularly bright.
>>751920398
>See Africa. It still exist doesn't it?
and it has nothing but many tribe-cultures, waging war against each other.
good fucking example of a non-civilization not being able to sustain itself without this basic principle being applied non-discriminatory.
their ingroups consist of a few thousand at best, and don't apply it to anyone outside of it.
Africa is in fact one of the most racist / backwards areas in the world.
Gonna post more examples to prove my claims?
>>751920678
the actual joke is that religionfags believe in someone who actually can see them pee...
>>751920810
pic related doesn't tell much of anything, many people embrace religion after being imprisoned in western countries
you're trying to attribute their crimes with their religion which is dishonest
>>751920818
I know I'm a man and that that makes me different from women. But the female genitalia is a vagina. Saying that it is the equivalent of a penis for men is just stating facts.
That isn't the same as saying men and women are the same, you interpreting it like that is your way of invalidating what I have to say without having to think about what I'm saying.
>>751920982
Prove that science is true facts
Protip you can't
>>751921095
also, many prisoners can have greater chances of parole if they show that they are improving themselves, becoming religious is one example they can show the parole board as becoming reformed
this is in effect makes the data even more unreliable
>>751920810
>>Because people much smarter and better informed than you and I have been talking about this for centuries to no result.
That's the authority just a vague people smarter then us, so we can't figure this out thing you were on.
We have more information at our fingertips then they ever had, don't cuck yourself, i know they were smart and we step on the backs of giants full respect to them.
>>I'm going to assume your not the same anon and just shittalking
If you take it on board that it's just our ancestors morality code then why not keep that flame going? We both don't know %100 if there's a god or not and christian waifus are pretty great.
If God isn't real then how come she exists?
Check fucking mate
>>751921095
>you're trying to
I'm trying to be lazy and not post sources, Forget it, it's there if you care about what you believe is true or not. I can't be arsed to find every study and resource for a /b/ argument when it's just going to
-Be ignored
-Be rationalized
>>751921179
>becoming religious is one example they can show the parole board as becoming reformed
>this is in effect makes the data even more unreliable
telling the parole board what they want to hear so a felon can get out of prison is more like it
>>751920428
/thread
>>751921315
>I'm trying to be lazy and not post sources
confirmation bias
>>751921301
Her ancestors got together, pair bonded and had sex?
I was told that we live in one sliver in a sea of infinite realities, so I'm certain that there's one where a transcendental, overarching God exists permeates throughout.
Then again, there must also paradoxically be one where there is not.
Suppose God's suspended in a state of superposition.
Ahhh, faith.
>>751921449
Evolution is a myth. Prove me wrong.
>>751921474
this isn't even pseudoscience, might as well be another religion
>>751920902
It still exist's doesn't retard? that was your claim, that our morality is just 'natural' to create a society.
>>751921103
Stop eating pussy, but if you really like it, then know it's wrong and try to moderate it. Your not getting my original point, it's ok.
>>751921482
we can actually witness DNA mutate in real time now
>>751911266
That atomic model is wrong...
Agnostic is the only real logical standpoint.
>Only the Sith deal in absolutes
>>751921474
I like the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy version of god.
God shows up, providing incontrovertible proof of his existence, philosophers ask him if he isn't violating the principle of faith without evidence and he promptly disappear in a poof of logic.
>>751921482
How am I supposed to prove a negative?
Prove yourself right anon, while explaining why all of the evidence for evolution is false.
>>751921577
You're going to have to elaborate without faltering before I take you seriously.
I'm fairly certain you can not.
But I know, grrrr, religion.
The layman's means of pretending to be intelligent.
>>751921257
>We have more information at our fingertips then they ever had
I'm not a Biblical Scholar, are you? And again, not an argument from authority, Because wan't an argument, wasn't pointing to an authority.
>ancestors morality code then why not keep that flame going
Slavery (immoral), kill homosexuals (immoral), Kill adulterers (immoral), eternal damnation for finite sins(immoral) The sickening idea that we are all born into sin and must atone (immoral), Human sacrifice (It's in there)(immoral), God killed the entire populace the the Earth, twice?(immoral) God killed the first born of an entire nation (immoral) Kill the Heathens around you and keep the virgin daughters for yourselves (immoral), Children are responsible for the sins of their fathers (immoral), You can beat a slave so long as they don't die in a day or two (immoral), Owning people as property (immoral).. I could go on.
It's easy to believe in the hippy saddle wearing Jesus when he said 'turn the other cheek', I like the part he said
Matthew 10:34
>"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Then made a whip and went to beat the shit out of some merchants
>>751921661
i'm only hear to attack broken arguments, don't even care what anyone believes
i'll go after the religious people and the "sciencey" people(who aren't really any different)
>>751921608
Providing your spouse or partner with sexual pleasure is wrong?
Why, explain your point then, because so far all you've given me is "Shame on you for doing something that hurts no one".
>>751921686
That's pretty funny.
>>751921707
what you described was not very different from religious faith, their are no models for your assertion and you cannot provide one now
>>751921440
>confirmation bias
No, I made a claim, I can't be fucked to back it up. Look it up yourself, or don't. Believe it or don't.
At no point did I
>the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.
^Because I didn't get that far, And by the way
opinion vs assertion
>Opinion is a VIEW, a JUDGMENT or an APPRAISAL about a particular matter. Assertion: Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof.
Learn the fucking difference before you spout buzz words
>>751921608
but anon, it is.
just because Africans are unable to form bigger societies than their tribes, they do apply these moral concepts WITHIN their tribes and families. funny how that works with no religion whatsoever.
>>751922014
i can find the information myself, i just know you're doing to adhere to only select parts of the information available
regardless of what is true or false, you are still exhibiting confirmation bias
>>751921787
See, you come to reiterating your position, showing you don't have as strong of a grasp on the material as you pretend to.
I don't blame you, those with a fervent resentment of religion are typically young.
The possibility we live in a multiverse is already well circulated through scientific circles. Of course it's not conclusively proven, at least not yet, which is why it stays within the realm of belief.
https://www.space.com/31465-is-our-universe-just-one-of-many-in-a-multiverse.html
>>751921629
Proof? Have YOU witnessed it mutate? Or are you blindly believing what some guys wrote down in a book?
Science is just a nerdier version of religion.
>>751921686
If religion is fake, then Evolution is.
Its just what a bunch of guys wrote down and people accept as fact. Same as the bible.
>>751922178
>The possibility we live in a multiverse is already well circulated through scientific circles. Of course it's not conclusively proven, at least not yet,
the same could be said about god
the multiverse model does not have enough attributed useful information to make any responsible claim of belief
your premature clinging to it is only natural however as people base their beliefs more likely on what makes them comfortable rather than logical
>>751921718
you appealed to 'people much smarter then us' as a vague authority ok. but let's drop that.
The homosexual thing is old testement, like way back when we had tiny tribes it makes sence way back then to outlaw the gays have a little bit of pragmatisms. Adulterers do cause shit, i mean why not fuck them? are you looking to fuck a marred women? We ARE all born in sin, you do have the ability to do evil, just being human means you do.
But where do you have any foundation to say anything is moral? because it's yucky then it's immoral?
Christians are the one's that started the whole 'Slavery' is immoral thing you know?
your trying to put the sins of all western civilization as an argument agaist religon, it's silly.
>>751914694
>Einstein came up with the theory of relativity and special relativity
You clearly don't know what you're talking about: there are two theories of relativity, special relativity and general relativity. It makes no sense to say "the theory of relativity AND special relativity", since the latter is just one case (the simple one, compared to general relativity) of the former.
>>751922151
For the last time, I'm not, and I don't care
>Do you think that (x)
>Yes
Is an opinion.
>Opinion is a VIEW, a JUDGMENT or an APPRAISAL about a particular matter
>>751922109
No they don't lol which liberal school did you go to? they were kangs right? check out south africa atm. In australia they had to send in the army so the abos woudn't rape there kids.
>>751922262
>If religion is fake, then Evolution is.
>Its just what a bunch of guys wrote down and people accept as fact. Same as the bible.
Really now, so your argument is that I have to accept religion with no proof, because I accept evolution with an abundance of proof?
>>751922178
I don't resent religion. It has a purpose. Keeps the existential dread at bay and helps structure society(or, it used to. Not so much anymore. At least not in any positive way at least).
Point is though, most religions are wrong about most things. Like their whole basis for themselves, the whole living god thing. I mean, come on...ffs
>>751922262
that's called conspiracy theory, if you're going to rely on that way of thinking then why are you even replying since none of this could be real
i guess you could say that I have faith
>>751922384
You mistake me as genuinely believing in God, or at least one in the Christian sense, which seems to be who most atheists have a chip on their shoulder about. Fucking green beans, man.
Any responsible claim of belief for the existence of God or for the fact a multiverse exists?
Explain.
>more likely on what makes them comfortable than logical.
Hahah, there are a lot of downsides to a multiverse.
>>751922499
My non-proof is more proof than your proof faggot
>>751922499
Where's the proof? Please provide it or you're piss-wrong
>>751922554
Thats called fact. Some guys wrote it down and people believe it to be true.
>>751922409
Theory of relativity turned out totally true special relativity has holes and is about a totally diffrent scope of physics, shut up hoe.
>>751922627
Prove that.
>>751922628
We've witnessed bacteria mutate in real time and the fact that we can sequence DNA and see where any living thing came from is part of the proof.
>>751922516
>Most religions are wrong about most things.
Give me more examples, please. I'd like to hear them. Most times it just dwindles to
NO EVIDENCE OF GOD THEREFORE YOUR ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM IS STUPID CHEEEEEEECKMATE MOTHERFUCKER
It gets tiring, and there is quite a bit to be understood from religion, whether or not it just happens to be purely aesthetic at this point in our development.
>>751911266
It's illogical not to.
>>751916227
/Thread
>>751922385
>This happened before Western Society
>It's Western Society's fault
Uh-ha
>>751922516
this part i can get behind, religion tends to bar nihilism
both can be bad but a balance must be maintained, this i think is a current problem with culture in addition to the forced diversity, people are being force to live in uncomfortable situations and decide to make very bad choices, violent ones specifically
it's a clash of not just cultures, everything all at once and the internet helps delivery the clashing resentments in real time
the internet was a mistake, perhaps we will become the movie idiocracy
>>751922848
>perhaps
Way to keep the inevitable at bay, friend.
>>751922774
We? I'm afraid that I have not done any of that. So you've watched bacteria mutate and have sequenxwd DNA? Doubtful.
Also where did all this life come from?
Religion is bullshit.
Which sounds more realistic to you?
And endless sea of stars and galaxies with a completely certain likelihood of there being other life somewhere and some 'divine creator' decided he would pick only our planet to create his likeliness on and spawn his offspring to become the basis of 1000s of years of culture.
OR
Some ancient jew decided he would right a load of bullshit and mislead stupid people for profit?
I mean you cant seriously find this difficult?
>>751922922
it's only inevitable in the current matrix
if variable are altered the inevitable can be altered
vis a vis ergo heretofore
>>751923055
lurk more teenfag, we don't need you spilling your fresh spaghetti in this ages old conversation
>>751922784
If someone is totally 'rational' then even consciousness itself is just a tool. Where who you are is just defined by your usefulness to others. These motherfuckers can't be pragmatic at all, it's just white guilt on crack.
>>751923055
Write*
>>751923055
You don't have any evidence of life anywhere else, stfu teenfag you're out of your depth.
>>751923061
You're foreign so I'm going to forgive your inability to detect sarcasm.
>>751922952
I've seen documentaries and peer reviewed studies that corroborate evolution. I've yet to see that for the religious standpoint. Most of the time the question of "So if your religion is true, what made you dismiss other religions?" will baffle religious proponents.
I don't know where all of this life came from, but I'm not the one claiming to know, I look at the evidence and say this is probably what happened.
If you have proof of a creator, show me. Show me the god autograph that is imbedded in all DNA codes.
>>751923132
Nay
>>751923231
>>751923128
>teenfag
Stick to one post faggot.
What so you think God made billions upon billions of stars and seeded only one planet with life? Seems logical hurr durr
>>751923236
everyone is foreign to someone else
and i detected your sarcasm, but it was irrelevant sarcasm, a mistake on your part
>>751923376
no i believe you're so new that you're just blurting out your beliefs very hamfisted in a conversation between 2 highly refined points of view over hundreds of years in the making just to feel good about yourself
>>751923284
But have you seen ABSOLUTE evidence? Like you athiests sure like to think, "hath thou gazed upon it with thine own eyes?" Didn't think so.
>>751923376
Billions of stars yet we can't detect radio waves from any other civilization, teenfag, go back to jackin to your nicalodian bitches, stay outa man shit.
>>751923389
Well now you're delving into substance that can't particularly be scientifically verified as true one way or the other, now can you?
Fuck Hawking's scared shit-less of alien contact, maybe it's because senseless brutality is a close as sentience will get to divinity.
>>751923389
>down pact
>diamond dozen
>doggy dog
what are some more? i only knew the last 2
>>751923556
You're the one who wants absolute evidence.
I'm fine with accepting the idea with the most proof for it as sufficient until better evidence comes out.
If you could prove the existence of your god, depending on whether that god is righteous and good I would join you in that belief.
Can you say the same about science or do you prefer the belief that makes you feel comfortable and important?
>>751923376
Actually the Bible teaches this, They murdered astrologists fearing telescopes would see up Gods skirt
>>751923389
Should have gone with how you can kill your kids, or the clothing women have to wear and when or else they need to be stoned. Not to mention a woman going to church on her period, or speaking, or anything really
>>751923386
I don't think it was.
>>751923573
well we can detect radio waves coming from other places in the universe
but as far as hearing something like conversations or broadcasts, that will likely never happen at these distances because of inverse square law, signals spread out as they travel and become unrecognizable from their source point
>>751923842
yea me neither
see that's how sarcasm works
>>751923670
Did you just dismiss a bible verse because
>can't be scientifically verified as true one way or the other
As a defense to religion?
>>751923701
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
>>751924033
>Doubles advocate
>Gets dubs
>Diamond dozen
Couldn't deal tldr, ill just assume the rest is also hilarious.
>>751923931
Not necessarily, no, I'm saying you can't establish it's truth value on scientific grounds so it holds no weight in the current argument.
>>751923928
mad
>>751923834
>Kills the firstborn child of an entire nation
>God is the source of morality
Every time
>>751923573
>teenfag
There it is again, what a gay insult.
Do you even c = 3e+08 m/s?
The light from most stars in the universe hasn't even reached us yet. The Cosmic Microwave Background is a curse that means the further away we look, the further back in time we go, reducing the likelihood that life has had time to develop. So detecting distant life is impossible. But since you believe in a God you cant possibly observe, I'm sure you can understand the concept that just because you can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.
Of course, statistically speaking its much much much more likely that alien life exists than it is that any of the conceived gods of Earth are real.
>>751924225
well they were black
>>751924199
So then everything that can't be verified by science, all the supernatural stuff, (So nearly all of it) should be dismissed because we
>can't establish it's truth value
I agree
>>751924033
>For granite
>Huge ship on your shoulder
>Blonde eye
>Taller ants
>Brass stackrocket scie,fists to get two birds stoned at once
Oh god I cant
>>751911266
man made fairy tales, science has proven this beyond doubt. Keep your mental servitude, i enjoy actually using my wonderful brain
>>751924287
The Egyptians weren't, Awwwww you got me
>>751924327
Also false.
Because no
Rape = okay
Slavery = okay
Murder = okay
Etc.
You can still establish truth values without science, but trying to present a moral argument as a fault of religion's objectivity is irrational.
>>751923556
Did the cat get your fingers?
Please answer my post >>751923772
>>751924478
>moral argument as a fault of religion's objectivity is irrational.
Is god morally good?
Was he moral when he killed the first born children of Egypt?
Was he good when he commanded to 'slay the heaths around you and keep the virgin children for yourselves?
Was he good when he endorsed slavery, who you can enslave and for how much?
Was he moral when he drowned ever man woman and child on earth (Spar one 800 year old drunk and his family)
Is something moral only because God say's so?
We can absolutely fault a religion objectively by moral argument
Genesis 22:2
>Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, whom you love--Isaac--and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you."
>>751911266
IMHO "the God" is pretty poorly (or at least unscientifically) explained idea of singularity and what happened before the Big Bang.
As far as I know, most religions have the idea of a perfect being creating our universe out of nothing. Polytheistic religions have many gods that represent certain aspects of material world, but they have a single "ancestor" out of who they were created.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't know much about religions in general.
>>751925017
We can't verify this scientifically, is what I am saying, so now at least you're seeing the limits of science, and how it can not solve every human issue.
>Is God morally good?
Sure.
>Was he moral when he killed the first born children of Egypt?
Depends, we have no recollection as to whether or not they were sent to Hell afterwards. Would you sever a child's infected limb without anesthetic if you knew it would save his life?
Does the voluntary infliction of pain make you immoral?
>Was he good when he commanded to 'slay the heaths around you and keep the virgin children for yourselves?'
By modern standards, probably not. We have very little knowledge about the inner-workings of God.
If the heathens are presented with the option to convert and refuse, then God's will would have to administered, usually by using the faithful as instruments.
>Was he good when he endorsed you can enslave and for how much?
Again, modern standards. A slave can still be saved and find entry into heaven. Earthly concerns matter little. I know this may seem counter-intuitive to a materialistic, one-life mind, but this is the typical justification.
>Was he moral when he drowned every man woman and child on Earth.
They were supposedly foul beyond redemption so yes.
>Is something moral only because God say's so?
Unfortunately, yes.
>We can absolutely fault a religion objectively by moral argument.
As stated above. You can not quantify morality. It has no objective measurements. It is innately unscientific, so according to you, all moral arguments should be abandoned thusly, and we should continue on with human experimentation.
>Then God said.
He also said jk lol.
>>751911482
KIKE
>>751920338
>morality is founded in empathy
You're who gives atheism a bad name. Then calling him dumb because you don't know how to explain shit, shave the beard of your neck fgt
>>751925202
Well, religious creation story's are (Bible - Genesis)
The big bang was the start of our localized universe, "What happened before the Big Bang" might not even make sense if our universes localized time began at that point
Christians will claim Scientists say "The universe exploded out of nothing, and that's impossible" - When the truth is no Scientist makes that claim, and it's the Christians who claim "There was nothing, and God spoke everything into existence with an incantation spell" - And everything seems to work fine even if he got the order wrong.
Evolution and Abiogenesis Vs Creationism is the other big hitter
-Origin of life after creation
>>751925545
>It's ok if they maybe went to heaven
>All of these stories where Old Testament
>Heaven and hell are Christian concepts
How you going to solve this dilemma? At this point in the Bible Judaism had no concept of heaven nor hell.
>Slaves / Modern standards
Owning another person as property that you can pass on to your children, and bear so long as they don't die withing a day or two is immoral, at any time. It was moral then, but not now? What changed? The only thing the New Testament say's about it is "Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones"
>>751926553
>and bear
*Beat
>>751926553
>It's okay if they maybe went to Heaven
Yeah, kind of. Being inflicted with a plague is pretty minor in comparison.
>Heaven and Hell are Christian concepts
Not necessarily. The fall of Lucifer is in the Old Testament, though he had a somewhat different roll, more of an accuser, someone who had to exist in order to test your faith.
0>Owning another person as property is immoral because I say so, whenever, just because it sounds bad. Why don't you agree with that?
>What changed?
It certainly wasn't advancements in science that propagated such thought, just your typical geopolitical upheavals.
But suppose an extremely advanced race of creatures came to Earth and enslaved all of us, would they still be behaving immorally?
What if slavery is a natural function of the universe that they were simply abiding by, and we are contradicting our nature in favor of self-righteous pretensions?
>>751925545
>>Is something moral only because God say's so?
>Unfortunately, yes.
You sir are lost. I invite you to take a good hard look at yourself before sacrificing your own morality for the teachings of an old book you hold to be unverifiable, outdated and immoral. You have lost all reasoning in order to make excuses for what it teaches.
>>751911266
Because out of all the infinite, equally possible hypothetical answers for the question "what's out there", "none of the above" seems more unlikely than "some of the above".
I don't believe in religion, I think anyone who claims to have picked the single right answer out of countless wrong ones with zero evidence supporting their claim is full of shit. I think the best thing any of us can really do is make up our own answer that we find the most comfort in and stop trying to find the right answer for a question that will NEVER be answered.
That being said I believe that a disembodied superconciousness wrote the laws of the universe to see how it would pan out and life is simply a byproduct of the experiment. And if there is an afterlife said superconciousness is not responsible for its creation, Instead intelligent life within its creation is.
>>751927017
I am not a Christian, nor particularly religious, I just enjoy aggravating the pretensions of atheists who feel the need to speak on religions they know very little about.
>>751927207
>know very little about.
So you target someone who can quote Bible verse, and then back out with "hurr trollin"
Cool story bro
>>751927585
I believe they responded to me first, I forget.
I am not trolling, I am not behaving deceitfully, have never presented myself as a believer, and everything I say is for the most part true.
>>751927059
Your belief is not based on anything rational so you're just talking out of your ass.
You have zero evidence that intelligence can exist absent of a mind. None. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Clear enough?
>>751925980
I don't see why it has to be the first and only big bang. It could be part of an infinite chain of big bangs.
There could be separate big bangs happening at the same time in different parts of the infinite universe
