Why isn't rape as a means of self-defense a thing? Like, a guy shouldn't hit a woman for obvious reasons, but why shouldn't he rape her?
Femanons, would you rather be raped or have the shit beaten out of you?
This... is fucking stupid
>>751876331
Explain.
>>751876212
Why not both?
>>751876674
Cause I mean, you'd figure women would rather get raped than have their orbital socket crushed.
rape doesn't seem too bad compared to all of the reconstructive facial surgery and asswhoopin she got.
>>751876212
I'd rather be raped
Where´s the sauce of the pic
Can I get raped AND beat up?
>>751877462
wwwredtubecom/243227
>>751876212
Who is the cock slinger? Damn nice cock!
>>751877804
You just made the day for an unknown guy on the internet
is rape really that bad?
>>751878308
No, rape actually is good for the woman.
>>751876212
>femanons, would you rather have the shit beaten out of you or be robbed?
Fixed it for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=qU0EJS3cJIc
getting raped definitely would have been a better deal.
Trying to find sane people on /b/ is like trying to find a black man at an ivy league university.
>>751878570
either way... that ass whoppin doesn't sound so fun.
>>751876212
https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/science-arousal-during-rape
For cunts rape is more like getting some satisfying sex that you didn't expect to get; like a happy surprise.
Getting beat is just getting beat. Though some cunts are into that too...
>>751878697
That's cool. Answer the question though.
You might as well as why isn't using a wheelchair a means of swimming. That's because it isn't!!!
>>751879034
>>751876212
Rape is hot.
Because we do not approve of retaliation that is much over and above what is needed to defend and prevent violence.
Stopping the attacker is enough. Any more, or any forceful actions which are motivated by something unrelated to the resentment towards the violence of the attacker, we cannot approve of.
Wishing to rape comes from motivations unrelated to the resentment of the wrong done by the attacker.
If we're talking about justice, the picture is similar. We cannot sympathize with the emotions and motivation of the one who wishes to dispense justice by raping the person who wronged him, because it is in our nature to sympathize minimally with the resentment of another person. Only when we clearly see that they have been wronged will we agree with their emotion, and when we see that the perpetrator of the wrong intended to do harm we also feel the need of some punishment.
But the punishment has to be something we can agree with and which we can sympathize with. We can't easily agree and sympathize with rape as punishment, and we couldn't expect anyone to have any patience for listening to an argument for such a punishment. That would be asking too much of us. So we will never approve of rape as self-defense or justice. Not for now, at least.
>>751876409
self defense only counts as self defense when you are protecting your self from imediate danger... So at which point while holding someone down and penetrating them for several minutes do they pose an imediate threat to you?
>>751876921
fuck her. she deserved it I hate fucking cunts who play people like that
>>751880491
>>751880466
>>751880347
>>751880314
>>751880281
>act like a cunt
>talk shit like a cunt
>get beat like a cunt
Look, cunts, it's real simple: shut the fuck up, spread your legs, and be a sweet and loving girl and you won't have to ever worry about getting beat for saying shit or acting like a cunt.
>>751880347
thats what you get for burning coal
>>751880900
Right up until i nut!
>>751880900
The threat is still there until it's been neutralized. Having someone pinned to the ground for however long doesn't mean they don't still pose an immediate threat. As soon as you let them up/ they get a burst of energy and topple you, you better believe they will retaliate. You don't know what self defense is.
>>751880900
they posed an immediate threat once they laid hands. gotta finish them before they finish you.
>>751881394
I can see how this would go down.
Here i pin you down to rape you but hold this knife/gun/basebalbat/oversized and weaponizable purple dildo so in a court of law you would be still categorized as a valid thread and its only gonna make it worse if you drop it bitch!
>>751881394
Your honor I had no other choice but to put my penis inside of her SHE HAD A GUN!! What was i supposed to do?
>>751881589
>gotta finish IN them before they finish you.
FTFY
>>751881775
rape is wrong not because it is sexual, but because it is an (often violent) assertion of power over another
in the same beating someone is
both are wrong for the same reasons
>>751881638
how the fuck do you have someone pinned while holding an over-sized anything?
Also, that has nothing to do with the topic. You're just talking about flat out raping someone for no reason.
>>751881722
Would love to be on that jury
>>751881889
I love you!
>>751881722
Better than caving the bitch's head in though...
>>751882082
Objectivly, yes. Legally, I'm not so sure.
>>751881874
That's not the point. If someone is attempting to beat the everliving shit out of you and you decided to rape the mother fucker as a means on defending yourself; why the fuck is that so wrong?
It's 5 in the morning and im discussing the validity of rape as selfdefense with a bunch of sexcraved monkeys with keyboards and im loving it. I should be concerned about my mental health.
>>751882335
yeah, right... detract from the topic at hand because rape can be defended as a valid form of self-defense.
>>751880314
can't tell which face is more fucked up...
>>751876212
>rape as a means of self-defense
>>751882452
Is that sarcastic irony or saracstic... seriousness?
You are confusing me.
>>751876212
Then it'd be allowed for all. You wouldn't wanna get raped by a guy claiming self defense.
>>751882688
Fixed for you
> 'straya
>>751882830
thank you
>>751876212
I swear to god I been thinking about this.
>>751882712
Unless he's like 7 feet tall the guy is going to have a hard time just pinning me to the ground to rape me. IF he can do it, good on him.
>>751882830
>>751882207
Because raping implies that you've already acheived a strong enough position of dominance that the threat is now over. The continued violence on your part after subduing the offender is akin to kicking him in the head after you've stopped him.
Example:
Man comes at me with a baseball bat and I stop him with the presentation of my edc firearm, order him on then ground, then proceed to rape him. The self defense ended when the rape began.
You can't rape as self defense because a rape requires the establishment of dominance for it to occur. Self defense ends once you've established dominance over the attacker resulting in the threat being neutralized.
Hopefully this answers the question.
>>751882712
Nigga... I wouldn't want to get my ass kicked to the point where I looked like sloth from the Goonies either.
>>751883189
you're basically saying you're going to use the presence of the firearm to stop him (self-defense) and then rape him(rape) to take advantage of the situation.
I said rape purely as self-defense. You gun using sissy.
I guess we reached the point where we dont appear on the first page anymore so there will be now new input so we have to come to a conclusion.
Someone wwants to doa strawpoll?
>>751881394
>>751883189
If you're mounted on top of a guy and you're just wailing on the dude. You don't stop until the motherfucker is unconscious or are you going to let him get up and shoot your edc firearm having ass? Goofy ass motherfucker.
>rape as self defense
Is that akin to standing on the ground and flying in the air simultaneously?
>>751883968
>man approaches you with a knife
>"I'm going to mug you!"
>you unzip your penis
>"I'm going to rape you!"
>mugger man runs away
>>751883493
You aren't addressing my main point that rape cannot occur without the pre establishment of dominance, which is what self defense aims to achieve. Rape requires that you be past the point of the threat being active.
How is it cowardly to be armed? It's stupid to deprive yourself of a means to defend yourself against unknown threats that may be lethal.
>>751883968
Women are not as strong or durable as men are. I don't see how this isn't a viable method for men to defend themselves from physically aggressive women.
>>751884142
>man approaches you with a knife
>you unzip your penis
You sure you thought this one through?
>>751883052
>>751879034
>>751884148
So I can't be getting my ass kicked by some dude and then eventually bring him down to the ground, remove his pants and then rape him. He was in the dominant position to begin with. I defended myself by ass raping him. Should I stop ass raping him when he begins moaning to be like, "Ok, I think you've had enough..."? If I let him back up, he will either run away or keep trying to fight me. Think of it as BJJ
>>751883731
Your absolute defining of no longer posing a threat as the state of unconsciousness is flawed. Example: A man with a bat ceases to be a lethal threat once he is disarmed and restrained.
don't worry ladies, I'm a beta cuck
>a guy shouldn't hit a woman for obvious reasons
Uh, what? If a bitch hits me, she's hitting the floor next. That's what we call "equality." Why the fuck would I rape her, giving her what she wants and letting her have power over me?
>>751884645
What would you know Mr. Two in the chest, One in the head? If a guy with a bat/ machete is swinging at me and I hit him in the temple and his head hits the curb (killing the motherfucker). I successfully fended off my aggressor who I feel was attempting to murder me. You gunslinging faggots shoot to kill all the time.
>>751884911
She'll be much less aggressive by the time you finish.
>>751884598
Your example paraphrased:
Man attack you and brings you to the ground. You eventually wrestle to a position of dominance after removing his pants. You begin the rape.
In this situation of yours you were able to remove the attackers pants and then you gain a position of dominance. If you were able to physically subdue him enough to allow for rape, clearly you were in a position of control at that point. Your fundamental misunderstanding is that you don't realize that a rape requires you to have pre established control of the situation. Control of the situation = threat over.
Insert cock and it's still viable. No striking necessary.
>>751885087
It seems to me that you're under the mistaken belief that I'm telling you unconsciousness does not mean the threat is over.
All you've said just now is that killing an attacker actually does stop him from being a threat. Which I didn't deny in the post you replied to.
>>751882031
nigel fucking mansell
mah nigga
>>751885326
You're being picky here. I say dominance begins 12 strokes in and you're saying it's when the pants come off. Even if his/her pants are off he/she still has a chance to struggle and regain an advantage. Hell! Even when you're raping them they still have a chance to get out of it.
>>751885750
Rape them into submission.
>>751876212
Legally? I don't know that much about law, but I'd imagine that rape as defense would be considered unnecessary force at the very least.
As for the preference between assault and sexual assault as defense, that really doesn't tell us anything about whether or not we should do it... Rape tends to carry a pretty unique, harsh trauma with it that regular assault may not.
>>751880491
didnt she give him an STD? or was is simply nigs noggin standard chimpout?
>>751885750
I have a chance to dodge a bullet too. What's your fucking point my man?
>>751885995
Just like getting your head caved in by some drunken idiot right? Getting beat up can cause trauma far beyond that of getting raped. Physical pain and emotional. Ask Christy Mack what the worst part about the domestic dispute with War Machine was. Bet it wasn't the "rape".
>>751885750
If you go back and read what I wrote carefully, you'll see that I did not say dominance occurred at the moment you removed his pants. I specifically said the pants were removed and then later dominance was established, which allowed for the rape.
He can get out of the rape, however you have now become the unlawful threat to him at this point. Don't forget that under US common law the definition of an unlawful threat of death or great bodily harm is determined by the reasonable man principle. It's not reasonable for you to have used force in excess after the initial threat had been subdued and physically restrained.
>>751886270
That's a great example of witness testimony that carries next to no weight in the conversation as far as I can tell. Like I said, from a legal perspective it seems to be obviously excessive force if not more.
>>751886471
I don't think you're seeing the gist of what is being said. What's the difference between having someone in an ankle lock until the police arrive and having your dick in someones ass/pussy WHILE! you have then in a full nelson (until the police arrive) any different?
>>751880900
When it comes time to pullout
>>751886754
You just told me the difference. You don't need your dick in there to secure your safety. lol.
>>751886896
I need it in there for extra leverage. How would you know it doesn't benefit me? Have you tried it personally?
>>751876212
The fuck you talking about Cletus?
>>751886896
Also, it will definitely keep the confused while it buys me more time for the police to get there. Pumping in and out is a diversion.
>>751886978
I don't need to know how it benefits you. If you want to make the claim that it does, you ought to demonstrate how that's the case.
And again, you can present this evidence to me but it has little to say about how a judge might feel. Do you actually care about how practical this is, or do you just want to find the situation where it would be accepted as a defense?
I would surprised if a situation where rape as a defense existed as a test case, but that doesn't mean there isn't one in theory.
>>751886978
The reason we know is from the reasonable man principle used in common law. It's already been prestablished that force used after dominance has been obtained and the threat subdued (and physically restrained in your example) is unlawful. It's literally the same concept of curb stomping him once your friend has him pinned to the ground in submission.
>>751887269
How isn't it practical if a woman is assaulting you? or a man if that's your thing...
>>751876212
Fucking 13 yo
>>751887435
I just asked you how it was. It's not up to other people to justify the things you say for you. You should be doing that!
>>751887306
WHAT!?! How are you going to compare curb stomping someone to putting your cock in them and stoking a couple of times. At most it might be humiliating, but it will not do physical/emotional harm anywhere close to what curb stomping will.
>>751882638
ay wtf, so the alligator story is fake but the guy did fuck a peacock
>A Roselle, Ill., man was charged with animal cruelty after police investigating another crime discovered that he had sexually abused his pet peacock.
>David Beckmann, 64, was booked at DuPage County jail on Wednesday on separate charges of battery and attempted indecent solicitation of a child, the Daily Herald reported.
>Authorities said they found his pet bird, who was named Phyl, dead in Beckmann’s garage on April 28. Details about how and when the peacock died remain unclear.
>Police told the Daily Herald that they could not talk about the animal cruelty charges because they relate to a case involving a child.
>In addition to the animal cruelty charge, court records show that Beckmann faces three charges of harassment by telephone, two counts of marijuana possession, unlawful possession of drug paraphernalia, attempted indecent solicitation of a child and two counts of battery.
>He is currently being held on a $10,000 bond, and an arraignment has been scheduled for June 12, according to NBC Chicago.
>>751887500
FBI has you working 4chan today?
>>751876212
>>751882830
wouldn't you then have to carry lube as self defense, otherwise it'd be as dry as a dead dingos donger
>>751882355
sauce
>>751887955
Spit bro.
>>751887750
You're under the misunderstanding that rape isn't classified as great bodily harm in us common law. It's a crime where lethal force is permitted to stop. There is no legal difference between the two in this situation. Consider educating yourself some.
>>751882638
In all fairness, in instances of attempted murder by the opposite gender, I could see that being a fair eye for an eye.
>>751882638
Though that would be the legally unethical equivalent of prison in questionable senses. If rape happens in prison, isn't what that guy did technically a citizen's prison arrest
>>751888321
You're misunderstanding the entire point of the topic man. I never said rape was classified as great bodily harm. There is a difference. One is going to more than likely kill the person/brutalized them and the other tickles their insides a little. You're literally googling shit and paraphrasing it.
>>751878862
Does that mean that non-consensual tickling is the equivalent of rape?
The real question is why aren't we teaching this as part of self defense class
>>751889005
Just because one presents more of an existential threat than the other doesn't make the other acceptable.
You are not a good troll. Just saying!
>>751889253
Stop trying to compare curb stomping someone to raping them out of self defense. Your arguments are poor at best.
>would you rather be raped or have the shit beaten out of you?
They would rather be raped. They always bang on about how they just cop the rape because they don't want to instigate further violence. Therefore violence is worse than rape therefore rape is not as bad as a beating therefore it's a lesser crime.
>>751889368
I didn't do that. I don't need to compare it to anything because we have the law.
This is why I'm saying you're bad at this. You need to make more believable red herrings and less obvious strawmans. I'm trying to help you out here.
>>751889005
Are you high or can you not read what was said in that post? Fucking idiot
>>751889511
> I don't need to compare it to anything because we have the law.
Spotted the subservient drone
>>751889611
Everyone is subject to the law dumbass.
>>751889511
I never brought the law into this you fucking autist. This has to do with ethics and morals not a question of legality.
>>751889654
No one brought up the law but you dipshit.
>>751889654
The law is the law, but that doesn't make the law right by any means.
>>751885169
Source?
>>751884142
>mugger stabs you
>bleed to death with pants around ankles
>>751889654
>Everyone is subject to the law
>>751889770
sadistic-rape-fantasiestumblrcom/
