/b/ what the fuck can we do to stop this greedy cunt from putting our way of life behind a paywall? I want to do my part and help but I have no skill in hacking and no balls to physically hurt him so what can I do?
>>751800985
Missed your chance in November 2016. Now you just have to eat it.
>>751800985
Call your congressman
>>751800985
That's actually you with Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Seb Gorka, and Kellyanne Conway tbh.
>>751800985
reddit photoshop
>>751800985
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
There, I don't know how that link isn't getting passed around 4chan like wildfire. It's been like most the posts on the frontpage of lebbit for the past two days.
>>751800985
Fake News
>>751800985
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
Vote, file with the fcc, call your congressman, participate in democracy while its still here anon
>>751800985
Call his office
Buy a rifle and kill the poo in loo
>>751800985
if you had been paying attention, you'd have known the GOP have had this in their sights for years - there is no corporate cock they won't trip over each other to suck.
You people wanted liberal tears - fine - it comes with a side order of corporate cock. Bon apetit.
>>751801221
/thread. The rest is unimportant autistic screeching by man-children that failed civics.
>>751801846
this
>>751801547
>https://www.battleforthenet.com/
good looks anon
>>751801215
>>751801384
I wasn't old enough to vote at the time so kys
Too bad lobbying delayed the conversation long enough. Pretty sure were fucked
I really don't care what happens to the Internet. The world was a better place without it. Fuck you and your way of life. I want my old life back. Fuck social media. Fuck streaming media. Fuck fake media. Fuck all this bullshit. Fuck you OP. Fuck all anons. Fuck me. Fuck traps. Fuck the world. I'm out
>>751802011
Kys
>>751802011
I agree with you anon but I don't know any other way to live so this is all I got.
>>751800985
Well... If they're not throttling VPNs. (They likely will) you can just VPN your internet traffic through a country that doesn't pull pay to play shenanigans with their customers.
Because the internet was sooooOOOoo fucking bad before we had NET nOOTRALITY!
>>751802309
Get out of here Ajit
>>751802309
You're a fucking moron. WHy do the people who need net neutrality most shoot themselves in the foot? What is wrong with you?
If you voted for Trump then you voted for this to happen. Trump talked about how he was against net neutrality back in 2014. Republicans don't give a shit about you. They never have. Now once again the average consumer will get fucked.
>>751801547
>>751801645
Good goy, give us your information so we can sell it and beg for donations.
>>751802309
We have always had net neutrality
>>751802309
This is such a nonsensical argument. Regulations were passed because ISPs kept trying to get away with their fuckery with increasing frequency. As early as 2005 ISPs were block VoIP services that competed with their own products until the FCC stepped in. Comcast started block bittorrent in 2007 until the FCC made them stop
>>751802664
and?
>>751800985
poor you, you won't get free shit from the government that comes at the cost of organized theft from honest citizens. you will have to compete in the free market, and you won't have big brother government control every aspect of your snowflake world to make it all safe for baby.
But, I sincerely wish you get your way, perhaps by escaping the nightmare that is freedom and liberty and seeking refuge in a socialist utopia like Venezuela.
There, you will find a government that is in control of your whole world, where they shoot whiney, useless pieces of shit like you, where they squash and destroy your every dream and hope, where they suffocate you under layers of bureaucracy.
GTFO of 4chan, asswipe. here is the place where free people thrive in competition. be a commie shill somewhere else.
>>751803054
net neutrality can potentially censor 4chan
>>751803129
I think you mean the lack of net neutrality. Net neutrality means that ISPs don't have any control of what you can/can't do with the internet connection they provide. Without it, they could easily censor sites like 4chan, or sites that belong to their competitors
>>751803054
So how's life with Asperger's going?
>>751802611
kill yourself, brainwashed bootlicker.
>>751803054
you do realise that net neutrality is necessary to allow competition on a platform that can very easily be monopolised? Net neutrality means that companies cant decide what you do or do not have access to, its not about preventing competition, it allows it to exist by giving small business a chance to get in the market. If you remove net neutrality only the big companies will have any reasonable access, leaving small companies no chance to grow.
Verizon themselves said that the FCCs rules were the only thing keeping them form charging websites more to reach Verizon subscribers.
>>751800985
don't base your entire way of life on something that someone else controls
>>751803129
Net Neutrality isn't regulation of the internet. It's regulation of ISPs, which are natural monopolies. These fuckers already stole an astronomical amount of taxpayer money that was supposed to go towards upgrading our internet infrastructure - we should own their asses.
>>751800985
Change your way of life. Support businesses that aren't paywalling you and torrent the fuck out of everyone who paywalls. Which, to be honest, is what many of us already do.
We live in an era where you can literally google 'watch movie-name online' and get a thousand free links that aren't netflix and yet people aren't using them. Go use them.
Maybe the 2nd amendment people can do something about it
>>751800985
Vote for democrats in 2018 and 2020. They suck slightly less than republicans.
>>751803549
I don't think you realize how fucked we're going to be once ISPs can control content delivery. You're not going to be able to use any links in search results for 'watch movie-name online'. The internet as you know it will be over.
>>751803707
Maybe they can do what they were supposed to do with all of the government officials that didn't do their job.
>>751803707
kek
Real answer? Pray that democrats can keep it in the courts/delayed until Trump's out of office one way or the other.
Rational answer? ISP's will just charge more for internet packages that keep things the way they are now like they television providers do for sports/movie channels.
4chan answer? Get a 100,000 petition signatures to send Sanjay McCurry fucker back to india where his best job would be making a dollar a day by phone scamming people.
>>751803988
Already have issues because those sites are so overloaded with ads it takes an hour to load, but plan ahead.
You can always switch to an isp/phone provider that does a better job (ie not comcast). There will be people who do the right thing.
>>751804116
except 4chan is shitlords that want whatever trump wants
>>751800985
Can someone explain to me what this is and how it effects people?
>>751803707
Lol i dont know why i laughed as hard as did when i read this.
>>751803054
>>751802309
Comcast pls go
>>751803946
They used to suck slightly less, they are far worse now and the best part is both parties are OWNED by the 1%, so it doesn't really matter either way.
If it passes, I'll just turn off all the pay channels I hardly ever watch anyway. That will probably be a a net savings actually. A reaction I'm sure I wont be alone in. This could actually be a loss for telcom and jewish media in general.
>>751804228
ISPs will be able to paywall certain websites like they do with sports packages and the like. So if you wanna go to sports.com, you'll have to have an upgraded package and pay more. They tried this before Obama's FCC stopped it with a ruling that made it work like a utility company.
>>751802011
That's the problem, all those tiresome social media sites that normies use will become the entirety of the internet.
Think of how your cable tv subscription works. Your package gets NBC, CNN, Fox, sports etc. Does it get the movies you want to see? Does it get porn? Does it get anything actually interesting without you paying more money for it? No. It doesn't.
That's what ending net neutrality will bring. Comcast and other providers want to corner you into paying to access content. The internet you get otherwise will be the "basic package" of those normie sites.
The internet used to be a bigger place, filled with plenty of small niche interest sites. Not anymore. And it's getting smaller. It won't end, it will just become more banal and anther constant reminder of your status as a corporate whore.
>>751804435
Does this effect people in other countries? And also, would this cause everyone to start using tor? If they do would it become like torrenting?
>>751804228
internet will be like a cable packages where you must pay more for what we already use. And/or slowdown traffic to sites that are deemed undesirable or doesn't have enough money to get your traffic.
>>751804547
So say one ISP has ties to a political party would they slow connections to other party websites
>>751804542
Since a lot of companies/services either host in the United States, this could certainly have global consequences. Remember how many sites went down the last time Amazon cloud services had an outage?
>>751804806
or block/redirect it completely
>>751800985
it's not just that cunt. Trump is behind it too, and a whole bunch of other greedy cunts.
>>751802124
i feel you bro
>>751804806
or if you want to use non corporate sites and go "off network" they'll charge you by the hour for access like in the old days of AOL. You know, sites like 4chan.
ANd forget about torrents, those sites will all be blocked, and the darkweb is be gone forever,
>>751804950
Republican representatives don't answer to anyone but shareholders/donors. It's obvious in the tax plan they're trying to push through. It's obvious in the health care plans they keep trying to pass. It's obvious in the FCCs actions now.
>>751804816
well most countries already have major internet censorship. USA is sort of the last bastion of freedom.
>>751805032
How could they stop the Dark web?
>>751804806
That would seem transparent and damaging to do so overly but I suppose anything is possible. It would be legal. (No different than a cable company not including CNN in their package.) Mostly though they just want to whore you out for money.
Considering the infrastructure is in place doesn't this then leave a large hole in the market for a new ISP to start up and challenge the current ones by offering "legacy" internet service that works as it does now? Probably not as they're greedy cunts but just a thought
>>751803502
you're fucking stupid
Well, this is all fucked.
>>751805132
Block unofficial ports (ie not 433/80)
Block IPs that are known tor hubs
>>751805092
it really isn't
>>751805174
This is end game free market capitalism at it's finest. All the winners have been picked and conglomerated. All the politicians have been bought and paid for. And all the citizens have been turned into drooling consumers with zero power, even if we outnumber them 99 to 1 and are bristling with weapons.
There is no hope.
>>751805277
Checked and that's extremely vague.
>>751803054
>free people
you suck Trump's cock anon
that isn't "free"
>>751805603
map from https://www.thisisnetneutrality.org/
Do what b did to iPhones start false rumors
>>751805798
>false rumors
your mom's cock is real
>>751805632
B-b-b-b-buh duh meedeeah sez uh ahm frhee
no seriously false rumors like pools closed and iphones
when did /b/ become retarded.
Step one: What's teh current fake SJW outrage machine raging over?
Step two: direct them towards target
Step three: Laugh as your enemy destroys your enemy.
#metoo ajit touched my pooper X1000 times.
>>751800985
No Net Neutrality and Censorship are 2 different things. You faggots are panicking about nothing.
Is there any Ajit pai dossier that help the world better understand how horrible he is?
>>751806034
you Trumpfags are the biggest SJWs. Every time someone speaks out against what Herr Cheeto wants, you faggots are right there, crying like bitches.
>>751803362
Not an argument. What do you think they do with that data? My inbox proves my statement.
>>751806086
One of the tenets of net neutrality is that ISPs not be allowed to censor/throttle/block whatever they want
>>751806086
>You faggots are panicking about nothing.
Shut the fuck up. This isn't "nothing."
>>751803050
And you're a jew.
>>751803050
great argument you fucking retard
>>751803405
Oh, companies and providers will still compete. Just not for your benefit.
>>751806161
Jesus what is it with stupid Trumpfags thinking they can lead a debate?
kek
>>751805032
I suppose we'll all have to get VPSes then and let them loose to do our work for us.
>>751806145
wtf are you even talking about.
You snowflakes are so butthurt ever single god damned thing is about trump to you.
I don't even know wtf you're on about.
Go like, protest the lack urinals in womens' bathrooms or something, you fucking swamp donkey.
>>751806161
get a better inbox, then
>>751801713
do his teeth creep anyone else out?
>>751806330
>snowflakes
like you Trumpfags whenever anyone speaks out against this shit?
It's just another thing liberals are doing that you CAN'T CONTROL
>>751806379
His face is the textbook definition of Backpfeifengesicht
>>751806209
>>751806345
> not making any arguments
> missing the point
go back to plebbit.
>>751801547
>https://www.battleforthenet.com/
>john oliver
>bernie sanders
no thanks, i'll gladly pay for my internet and not be a socialist beggar for "free" shit
>>751805132
>>751805254
They cannot "stop" the dark web, but they can make accessing it more difficult by blocking known entry nodes. People use Tor in China, Iran, Syria, etc. The U.S. government is not going to stop people from using it here.
Regarding ports, most ISPs already to some port filtering for residential connections (for example, most don't allow you do run an SMTP server on the default SMTP port for anti-spam reasons), but they do this using a blacklist rather than a whitelist because using a whitelist would break all kinds of obscure but legitimate applications, games, and so on. So, they've always been able to discriminate based on the type of traffic, just not based on the source or destination.
>>751802611
facebook beat you to it faggot. you cant download a cellphone game without making a short auto biography
>>751806492
There's a big difference between free and freedom
Voice your concerns about Net Neutrality
www.gofcc yourself.com
voice your concerns to your local representatives
just go on the site and send your message
Fucking please
we have 3 weeks
>>751806458
No. Fuck off you fucking right wing apologist.
You oughta be fucking slapped.
>>751803054
must be pretty care free being retarded. i should try it some time.
>>751806524
and good luck streaming on tor, or downloading anything of significant size without having to wait overnight/forever
>>751806677
my mom has a fast connection
>>751806545
Irrelevant.
>>751806617
> still no argument
>>751806726
I am making an argument.
We keep Net Neutrality.
Then we tell fucking pathetic cocksuckers like you who want to end it to FUCK OFF.
THe rest of the fucking thread.
>>751806711
Your bandwidth doesn't matter on tor, it's the endpoints that matter, and from what I've seen, bandwidth is extremely limited
>>751800985
Hows he a cuck...hes goin out n wreckin ur shit
>>751806845
how are you not 8th grade
>>751802309
>2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it. https://www.cnet.com/news/telco-agrees-to-stop-blocking-voip-calls/
>2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
>2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. http://fortune.com/2009/04/03/group-asks-fcc-to-probe-iphone-skype-restrictions/
>2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. https://www.wired.com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge/
>2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12
>2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html
>2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money. https://www.freepress.net/press-release/99480/att-blocking-iphones-facetime-app-would-harm-consumers-and-break-net-neutrality
>2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place. https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2013/09/18/verizons-plan-break-internet
>http://www.pcworld.com/article/169079/ATT_Blocks_4chan_Stirs_Internet_Hornets_Nest.html
>2017, Verizon caught throttling customer data in direct violation of FCC Net Neutrality rules - https://www.rt.com/usa/397163-verizon-admits-throttle-netflix/
>>751806845
cunt, not cuck. and he's wrecking everyone who uses the internet's shit
>>751806949
my mom's got fast speeds
I can still watch rick and morty
>>751806458
>right wing market conservative
>won't vote with his feet
meh
>>751806492
Kill yourself, calvinist jew.
>>751806999
check'd bait
>>751806492
poo in the loo ajit
>>751804130
How do I switch ISPs if there's only one provider of decent service?
>>751807155
I'm not яussian faggot
>>751806677
It's slow, but it's not that slow. Streaming, probably not. Youtube-dl (which does a lot more than just youtube) probably works just fine, though. One thing to understand about the loss of net neutrality is that ISPs are not going to do anything that hurts the usership of companies like Google and Netflix without first offering to let Google and Netflix pay them not to. You're not going to pay more for your Internet connection to get access to Netflix; Netflix is going to pay your ISP not to throttle them and you're going to pay more for your Netflix subscription, or get more ads on YouTube, or whatever. If you have small streaming services that can't afford to pay, those might simply stop working.
>>751806769
That guy is such an obvious troll. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>751804280
I know why I laughed at it: it's verbatim what Trump said during one of his rallies about Hillary Clinton, and this /b/ro has a good sense of irony about how we wish someone would take Trump's own advice on him
>>751807221
GODDAMMIT IM NOT A HINJEW EITHER
>>751807310
The 2nd Amendment faggots are anti-government. They think NN is a power grab.
>>751806726
no its not. you just made a post talking about that site selling your personal info. there was nothing irrelevant about my post. but since you seem to know everything answer me this.
how is net neutrality currently controlling my internet use.
>>751807235
to be fair, ISPs in Mexico and Portugal are already making sites like Netflix, Google and YouTube part of higher tier plans or separate packages that cost extra due to lack of ISP regulation there.
Is this only happening with American ISPs?
>>751804536
this,
and they're going to corner us into paying for stuff we DON'T want. Oh, you want Netflix fast access? Well, buy the Triple Play package that gives you fast Netflix, New York Times, and Tidal, at the low introductory price of $99 (for your first 3 months.) Sure, you can just get fast Netflix, that will be $97/mo.
>>751807568
This will have global implications due to many online services being hosted inside the US. Remember how many sites went down the last time Amazon cloud services had an outage?
>>751801779
Bada bing Bada Boom! Truth for all these autistic kids in here going against their own interests to prove a point on how functionally retarded they can appear.
You sure did get us all. Even yourselves you dunce faggots.
>>751803129
>The lack of net neutrality can potentially censor 4chan
As 4chan operates under the premise of a free, non biased internet
Unfortunately for you guys, the whole world fucking hates 4chan and most republicans think of us as terrorists. Hmm, I wonder what will happen in the future...
>>751805092
>USA
>Freedom
You can't have both.
>>751807491
The difference is that the U.S. is the primary market for these services, and represents a much higher percentage of their user bases. If 20% of Americans lost access to Netflix, it's stock price would crash. If Google started losing users, it could have its own ISP services rolled out in every major city by the end of next year.
You know whats gonna happen right? All the tech giants are going to build their own infrastructure that will eventually kill all of the ISPs, just see.
>>751807986
You know Google shut down its ISP rollout because other ISPs made it either prohibitevely expensive or straight up blocked them with litigation
>>751807907
It's only a matter of time until we see the facebook memes calling for boycotts of ISPs that allow access to 4chan.
>>751807986
>If google blah blah blah
No, it couldn't. Infrastructure for laying cable is granted by the city and run by major providers, or else you would see every city suddenly switch from some of the biggest bullshit providers to something decent. Your lack of faith in how money controls everything in America is disturbing.
>>751801713
Fucking dot head.
>>751800985
>>751801215
>>751801221
>>751801384
>>751801547
>>751801645
>>751801764
>>751801779
>>751801975
>>751802011
Stopped reading there. You all are the dumbest bunch of fucks I have ever seen begging for fascistic government controls over the internet when literally all you have to do to accomplish all of the same effects of net neutrality without giving the government the keys to end the internet is use a goddamn vpn. Anyone who supports net neutrality hates the internet and 4chan. Kill yourselves, useful idiots for the Rothschild's and George Soros.
>>751807707
>>751808303
>>751807972
spicy spicy
>>751807986
Google has data centers all over the world. They may even have one sitting in a shipping container down the street from your local internet exchange.
>>751808165
Cities need to get into the business themselves tbqhfam.
>>751808303
Not sure if bait or just retarded
The only "controls" the government has that we're trying to keep are those that prevent ISPs from blocking, throttling, or favoring traffic as they see fit. All traffic should be treated equally, thus "neutrality"
>>751807707
> believes the media
> takes /pol/ seriously
> doesn't understand shitposting
> takes bait
>>751808303
Net neutrality is the only reason 4chan isn't still blocked by AT&T and Cogent
http://www.pcworld.com/article/169079/ATT_Blocks_4chan_Stirs_Internet_Hornets_Nest.html
>>751806639
great counterargument, for a retard.
>>751808465
>Cities need to get into the business themselves tbqhfam.
And thus is the dilemma. A Conservative ideology wherein business controls the Government, or a Liberal one whereing Government controls Business.
Pick your fucking poison, because there are no winners here.
>>751808079
Google Fiber is still under construction in Texas, and Google has announced plans for several new cities. It seems to be rolling out at about the same pace that it has been rolling out at since it was launched. Obviously their competition is going to try to fight it, but I don't see any evidence that they've had much success.
>>751808165
>Infrastructure for laying cable is granted by the city and run by major providers, or else you would see every city suddenly switch from some of the biggest bullshit providers to something decent.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
>>751800985
i heard someone on /b/ is planning to assassinate him, they said 'good luck nice knowing you all' but the thread's been gone now
>>751808604
>He says as we discuss the loss of net neutrality
You can go neck yourself kiddo. No room for faggots in this camp of queers.
>>751808604
ayo hol uo hol up
so what you saying is that 4chan is
>smacks lips
100% bait?
>>751808465
>Cities need to get into the business themselves tbqhfam
some have tried. Comcast literraly sued to prevent Chattanooga, Tennessee from doing it
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/1/8530403/chattanooga-comcast-fcc-high-speed-internet-gigabit
>>751802611
poor, faggot /pol/tard. you don't seem to realize you broadcast to normal people your intense insecurity at well educated and hard working people (a.k.a., Jews).
Was it a Jewish boss who fired you, or was it a Jewish professor who failed you, or was it a Jewish doctor who told you that you contracted AIDS from sucking nigger dick?
Whoever destroyed your ego was only delivering to you the comeuppance of your own failures in life.
You can't blame the messenger, and when you try, normies laugh at the attempt.
If there any time that a black/gray hat could be a true fucking hero? It would be now!
Break in to The FCC's computer system, then start coping any n all emails. Hell even break in to that fuckers personal email account and copy everything.
It'd be the most epic of keks if someone managed to 100% dox his ass. From license plates on his car down to his wife's cell phone number. Just to show him what bee hive he poking here.
>>751808638
A socialist one, where workers control both.
>>751808678
Cable franchises are granted by municipalities. This is absolutely true.
im in canada
>>751808824
every one of them needs to do this now so as to strain Comcast's ability to legally respond, kek
>>751808678
So how's that legally tied up google fibre holding up for you? Hmm, wonder how many cities ISP drove them out before they could settle on the less than handful of locations where they do offer it.
But sure, the whole world doesn't know and you're just the WOKE one clued in. lol Fucking tool
>>751808465
>Cities need to get into the business themselves tbqhfam.
This practice is illegal in many places thanks to campaign donations made by major ISPs.
>>751808465
>Google has data centers all over the world. They may even have one sitting in a shipping container down the street from your local internet exchange.
It's not clear why you think this is relevant. Is it your opinion that operating in multiple places means that a company does not depend more heavily on their operations in one place than they do in others?
>>751808608
Why can't you useful idiots of Marxism realize that, if my ISP blocked my access to 4chan, I'd fire them and get a different ISP.
But, when the government runs the internet, then you can damn be sure some snowflake faggot bureaucrat will ban 4chan, and then, they'll be no recourse.
Everything works better when the government doesn't get to fuck it up.
Fuck off to your socialist paradise in Venezuela, dicksucker.
>>751808903
>Exists nowhere.
Even in places that say they're socialist.
But nice trying to live in fairy tale land.
>>751808807
> discuss
See >>751808819
>>751808842
that's some spicy pasta
>>751800985
>but I have no skill in hacking and no balls to physically hurt him so what can I do?
Take it up the ass.
>>751808501
It needs to be throttled you fucking retard otherwise when people on your street load Netflix you get lag spikes in COD. Bandwidth is not unlimited. Either you throttle some things or you force them to buy more expensive hardware and your internet costs go up.
>>751808608
Did you miss my post? That can't fucking block anything if you're using a vpn.
>>751809056
1. You're assuming there are even other options for ISPs. Bigger ISPs even have agreements to stay out of each others coverage areas.
2. The government doesn't run the internet, they just have regulations to prevent ISPs from running it.
>>751808944
You are just making the case for free market capitalism and AGAINST government control of the internet. It's because of crony "capitalism" (aka, government control of and interference in the market) that there is less competition. This overwhelmingly happens in Dem controlled regions.
Also, stop using nigger colloquialisms that you heard on NPR covering Maxine Waters. Niggers laugh at whitey tighty Reddit cucks trying to talk gansta. We're ALL laughing at you, dipshit.
why not just assassinate the guy.
buddy did it once and no figured it out, do it again.
>>751802611
>Being this delusional
Fuck off back to your cirkeljerk on /pol/ no one is taking your rambling seriously anywhere else.
>>751809220
you are either trying too hard to troll or completely idiotic
I'll chime in because I worked at an ISP who is part of the reason that this discussion is even happening.
To put it in terms that most people understand, I'll effectively scale down the numbers by a factor of 1000, and the customer will have the role of Netflix. [This](https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608116/net-neutrality/level-3-accuses-comcast--other-isps-of--deliberately-harming--broadband-service.html) is the Comcast-Level 3 side of the debate, which was widely publicized. But it's the same concept. [Netflix's page on their peering locations](https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/peering-locations/) - "Peering" is a term for backbone-to-regional ISP connections. Just like you get your internet from Comcast or whomever, Comcast has to get (some) of their internet from someone.
You (aka Netflix) had a 10 Mbps connection when you started your streaming service. But then your service exploded in popularity and you needed a LOT more bandwidth. So you went around asking companies if you could have 100 Mbps without paying anything extra over the 10 Mbps. They agreed, because it would be good for business and make their other customers happy. My company was one of the companies that did this.
Now, Comcast is one of the few ISPs that serves you but also has much better speeds over a long distance (so your ping across the US is ~100 ms, as opposed to other ISPs that are 150+). Obviously having all of that extra infrastructure is expensive, so Comcast says "Anyone who wants 100 Mbps has to pay for it. No exceptions".
The other ISPs know that Comcast has this policy. That's part of the reason why they chose to give You that free upgrade. They tend to be smaller than Comcast and not provide as much speed, but since your traffic makes up 30% of their peak internet traffic between 6 and 10 pm (I'm not making that up, either, that's really what it was), they can offer you that upgrade and use it as a selling point over Comcast.
Ultimately, Netflix joined forces with Facebook, Google, Amazon, Reddit, and Youtube and started beating this drum of "Comcast is going to charge us more for access to their internet". This is an accurate statement, but it leaves out the part where Comcast is actually treating everyone equally, and you're getting special treatment for free from the other ISPs.
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I've scaled it down, but that's almost exactly what happened. The title II classification makes it extremely hard for ISPs to charge bandwidth hogs more money for using more bandwidth. I mean, even us as customers expect that if you use more, you pay more, right? The content providers LOVE this regulation, because they think it means that they can twist it into getting special treatment by claiming that they're being discriminated against. Content providers are, and always will be, title I companies, so they're not subject to these regulations. They *can* enter special peering or bandwidth agreements. [Google ran into this in Nashville](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/why-att-says-it-can-deny-google-fiber-access-to-its-poles-in-austin/) where they (Google) tried to argue that they had a right to pole space under the title II reclassification, but they themselves were a title I company (so, conveniently, they didn't have to abide by those same regulations). AT&T argued back that if Google Fiber isn't title II, then they don't get the benefits of AT&T being title II. Which is logical. Google did end up halting the Nashville rollout, in a large part because of that exact problem. They wanted to benefit from the title II classification while not abiding by it since title I is less regulated and gives them more control over their network.
>>751809019
I'm saying that it literally doesn't matter because ISPs on the server side have always been neutral as part of their business model, and there is no reason or incentive on anyone's part to change that. The edge is going to be far more affected than the core because the core can't keep up with this sort of discrimination very well.
>>751809220
unless they block your VPN
>>751809304
Democrat shillbot detected
>>751809220
>otherwise when people on your street load Netflix you get lag spikes in COD. Bandwidth is not unlimited.
Thats because you're ISP is providing you internet using copper cable lines that were invented back in the 1800s to run the telegraph. Modern fiber optic service doesn't have this issue.
>>751809220
>using a vpn.
The fact that your major argument for dismantling Net neutrality relies on you using software to get around the consequences just shows you don't have any real reason other than Trump said so.
If your internet slows down because your neighbor is streaming Netflix, then your ISP has super shitty implementation
>>751809449
>>751809475
> Isn't that more of a company policy issue than Title II though? Wasn't it the company's decisions to give netflix this lower price in the first place? Sounds to me like bad decision making if you negotiate a lower rate and then complain that you can't raise that rate.
Yes and no. I'll try to keep this short and less technical, but it may not be. There are certain big "internet exchanges" which are basically big data centers that one company owns and rents out floor space. One example of this is Northern Crossroads, known as NOX, which is run by MIT. Basically, they let just about anyone put gear there and it's a huge cross-connect point for all sorts of ISPs.
What Netflix will do is put a 280TB "cache" of the most popular shows in that area at these exchanges, then they'll allow you to connect directly, or "peer" with them. Thus, unless someone in your area is watching something not cached there, the traffic never has to traverse the backbone of the internet more than a few hundred miles, at the very most. This saves a lot of bandwidth, and by proxy, money, versus pushing all that traffic all the way from Boston down to, say, Virginia (where Amazon has another data center).
Comcast is unique among "Tier II" ISPs. A tier II ISP provides internet service to customers like you and I. But they have to connect to each other via "Tier I" ISPs. I'm not sure of the details, but Comcast basically owns a large chunk of their internet backbone. That's part of why they can provide faster speeds in areas where no other company can. But because Comcast isn't really a Tier I ISP, they are very particular about who can connect to them and how much it costs. Even smaller, local ISPs would have to pay to use their backbone. As it stands, they have to pay to use backbone from Zayo, Cogent, Level 3, or others, but that's considered standard, since those are Tier I's, not Tier IIs.
>>751809284
Net Neutrality is aimed at government control of the internet. Just because you are an ignorant piece of turd doesn't mean you can spout falsehoods.
There are already laws against monopolies and oligopolies. If this is the issue, there is already a free-market remedy which does not involve government control of the internet.
Again, fuck off to your socialist paradise and stop trying to shit all over our system which works just fine.
There was no net neutrality in 2015, and I don't remember the world ending at that time.
stop being a useful idiot, faggot.
>>751809056
most people have 1 or 2 options aside from satellite internet which is pure garbage.. personally i have to choose between a shitty cable company and a shitty dsl company who's "high speed" is 5 GB....
if there were other options it might work but there aren't..
>>751809546
So basically, Netflix approached Comcast and said, "Hey, can we peer with you?" and Comcast said "Sure, if you pay us". Netflix didn't like that, since most of the other ISPs *didn't* ask them for money, since peering with Netflix would actually **save** them money on backbone costs - again, you have to pay for your bandwidth, and I don't think anyone's arguing that you don't.
>Also, is there any documentation or article about this "100 Mbps without paying anything extra over the 10 Mbps" deal, and how Comcast refused to be a part (and is source of the "Charging us more" claim)? My impression was that Netflix was paying bandwidth on a scale (use 10 pay for 10 use 100 pay for 100), but when they became too big Comcast said use 100 pay 100+.
[This is a pretty good, but admittedly high-level, overview of that claim](https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608116/net-neutrality/level-3-accuses-comcast--other-isps-of--deliberately-harming--broadband-service.html).
What it comes down to, ultimately, is that Netflix wanted to peer with Comcast, and use some of Comcast's backbone. But they didn't want to pay for it, and them using Comcast's backbone would actually cost Comcast money, whereas it saves other smaller ISPs money. As I said, the statement that Comcast wanted Netflix to "pay for higher speeds" is not incorrect, but it's leaving out a whole lot of very important details. In a sense, Netflix isn't really paying for nearly as much bandwidth as they should (thanks to the caching program at big exchanges). Peering agreements between Tier I and II ISPs are often usage-based charges, because there is limits on how much traffic can be passed.
>>751809412
> delusional
About what? That they sell your data? It's absolutely true. Go put your name on their list and see how long it takes for the other PAC to start begging you for your sheckels.
>>751809552
>Net Neutrality is aimed at government control of the internet.
Saying something doesn't make it true.
>>751809552
You realize the rules passed in 2015 was just a reclasification of ISPs because Verizon sued to prevent the FCC from regulating them right? Net neutrality didn't suddenly become a thing 2 years ago. ISPs have been testing the limits of what they can get away with for years and the FCC has had to step in time and again to slap them back, enforcing what we call net neutrality
>>751809644
but it is true and your side loudly and vociferously advocates for it.
http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/atr_netneutralitygovregulation.pdf
stop being a useful idiot to Karl Marx, faggot.
>>751808856
Your understanding of "hacking" is abysmally fantastical. Most hacks take weeks of infiltration/research. Especially a job like that. Want to give me the Email Server IP of their mail service? What's the physical location? Do they have security? What kind? Are they connected through satellite in any way? Where do they store employee information? Is it an intranet? You faggots piss me off. Hack your own shit if it's so easy. I can't just slam my fingers into keyboards and get whatever you want, dumbass.
>>751809764
>but it is true
Poor white trash idiot. If saying it would only make it so.
>>751809623
Then the logical thing for Netflix to have done was to drop a cache on Comcast's network. Any idea why that wasn't allowed to happen?
>>751809764
>using a web magazine for lobbyists as a reference
You just outed yourself.
Never out yourself.
Only funny thing about this whole mess, is that /pol/ where so persistent on getting Trump president and now it's basically gonna make their safespace, cirkeljerk board disappear.
/pol/'s greatest achievement was to delete themselves from the internet.
>>751809738
The free market is the best slap. Allow competition and the consumer will win.
Put the internet and regulation of it into the hands of the government, and it will become the DMV.
fuck off to your socialist utopia, turd4brains, and stop shitting all over the USA.
>>751809804
I gave you documentation, dirtbag faggot. And, I'm a PhD living in Los Angeles, dumbshit.
>voted for Trump because is tired of the Democrats doing literally nothing positive and still getting praise
>he gets elected and you think "its finally over, finally some change that will actually help me"
>nearly a year later, his administration wants to repeal Net Nutrality
>start throwing hissy fits because Comcast is gonna start throttling 4chan because Jap Moot wont pay up
>in an attempt to fix this you try to start shit with the opposition, instead of the following
>call your congressman and tell him/her that you don't want this to be appealed
If you actually think that this inst your fault, then you are delirious, you voted for him and you fucked it for everyone else in the U.S.A, for anyone who didn't vote for him then I am sorry and the only thing I can say is call your congressman and in playing English without insulting them, say why you do not want it appealed, no raid/operation will fix this, Democracy will.
>>751809844
> 4chin will go away
> nn fags actually believe this
>>751809836
shit-tier ad hominem. address the evidence and the argument, faggot. you won't because you can't.
>>751809905
>los angeles
White trash lobbyist shill confirmed
>>751809854
The free market has already failed us in this respect. ISPs are going out of their way to avoid competition with each other and just keep raising rates. any time there is competition they bury them in legal fees or just buy them up
>>751809967
Lobbyists should be killed, not reasoned with. Prove me wrong.
>>751809947
You're delusional if you think that jap moot is gonna pay up to keep this shit site going
>>751809967
Paid shills don't get to take part in arguments. Get your bitch ass on livestream right now and fucking neck yourself.
>>751809986
STFU, dirtbag hippie.
>>751808303
obvious bate, but how's a vpn going to help when the destination is affected?
>>751810064
> nn means free hosting
It's time for you to go to bed.
>>751810076
You are the reason jewlywood needs to be gassed.
>>751800985
Make more memes, that's what you can do
>>751802124
Too real
>>751810064
You seem to think that the death of 4chan won't just create the birth of X. It absolutely will. This place has been a cancerous hellhole for the better part of half a decade. If it dies, no one will mourn it except the edgy 12 year olds who won't know where to go next.
>>751806901
prime examples those fucking nazis and their 4th reich internet bullshit
>>751809990
you are unwittingly giving an argument in FAVOR of the free-market. it's not that the free market has failed; it's that the government has allied with corporations, thus reducing competition and making affairs worse for the consumer.
There are already laws in place to deal with monopolies and oligopolies. These protect the free-market.
Government control or interference in the market, including the internet, will just turn the internet into the DMV.
>there were no speed limits in 1900 and everything was fine, i don't see why we couldn't remove speed limits today
>>751809491
>I'm saying that it literally doesn't matter because ISPs on the server side have always been neutral as part of their business model, and there is no reason or incentive on anyone's part to change that. The edge is going to be far more affected than the core because the core can't keep up with this sort of discrimination very well.
It doesn't matter where the blocking or throttling happens. What matters is this: If you sit between a service and a user, ANYWHERE between them, you now have the power to make both the user and the service unhappy. The question is then who you send the ransom note to. Is it more profitable to sell service access to users, or user access to services? The answer, for reasons that are not hard to figure out, is the latter. The fact that it's not going to be the "server side" ISPs doing this stuff is both obvious and irrelevant.
>>751810065
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of your own shilling. Did the DNC pay you shitpost here? Or, is it the Marxist Alliance of Dumbfucks?
eat my shit, superfaggot.
>>751809056
In your libertarian capitalist utopia there is always the other options because
>free markets
But the reality is there is 4 major options and you can not be anywhere where all 4 will offer their service to your because of promises to each other. What faggot an heroed and let you get to his browser?
>>751810226
EU is the 4th reich
>>751810065
suck marxist cock harder, scumbag parasite. you lost and will keep losing. no one gives a fuck about you, especially that girl who doesn't notice you because betafaggots don't register on her radar.
>>751808303
How about them automatically throttling data that they can't inspect. How about throttling when you try to connect to your proxy!!
>>751810281
> laws in place to deal with monopolies and oligopolies
They don't seem to be doing the job, as Comcast and companies like it have effective monopolies in their coverage areas.
Pure capitalism and the free market are unsustainable. corporate corruption and greed combined with lack of regulation practically guarantees the system is doomed to failure
>>751810440
4 major options doesn't mean only 4 options
>>751810431
>can't tell if shill or troll
No, I do it on my own time, for free.
Kill yourself, neoliberal jew.
>>751810165
eat Jew shitballs, sadsack loser faggot.
>>751810515
>pasting shit from birch.org again
Democrat shill spotted
>>751802309
is that you ajit?
>>751810575
The majority of Americans have 1 or fewer option for broadband internet provider
>>751810431
you are really that fucking stupid you can't tell I'm making libertarian arguments?
gargle Jew cum, loser.
Worst thing about this is that if they actually success with this shit in the US then it will slowly but steadily spill into the EU. If you think you're safe from this mess just because you live outside of the US then you're dead wrong.
>>751800985
Well all I can say is 4chan deserves it. You reap what you sow.
MAGA!!
>>751810568
without government help, no company can block competition.
WHEREAS, Marxist, socialist experiments have consistently and always ended in catastrophic failures. There is nothing more unstable than that.
The success of the free market is evidenced in the success of America. No nation has enjoyed more wealth or stability in the history of the world.
The further we depart from what worked, the sooner we descend into the socialist nightmare.
>>751810575
Where i am right now, i can only get charter. My apartments has a contract with them which is essentially just a regional monopoly and there is 23 access points within just my phones range. Our router loses signal strength after 10 feet and constantly buffers and will often flat out crash in the middle of the night.
I find it stunning that the amount of people that believe in the free market can actually think large corporations aren't in bed with the government in the first place.
Who here thinks Pai isn't a corporate shill? Net Nuetrality may be a government regulation but the free market only works if the fucking military protects us from outside forces exploding it, and the mic is a money making operation so it has a vested interest in backing up the part of the government that is actually corrupt so all you free market fucks can go sick on your own dicks.
The "free" market is a delusion, primarily because darwinism means doing absolutely anything, by any means, to accomplish your ends and what I'm just supposed to trust Cimcast and Verizon aren't buying out their monopolies and trying to augment to rules to make sure they maintain power?
What if the fuck would make me think they're just good natured Americans with American values?
You can vote because the government let's you vote, your freedom is PROTECTED by the government and that's only because the government is filled with people that are still in some ways indebted to their constituents.
Whatever wet dream real Americans have about the free market completely misses the point about how no one gives a fuck about the people except the people and that's why government regulations exist.
God damn.
>>751810903
The free market is solely to blame for the 2008 recession. Government regulation is largely to thank for the recovery since then
>>751810938
You know that you don't have to use your ISP's router, right? Even if you have one of those router/modem combos and your ISP doesn't let you use your own modem (many do), you can just use it as a modem and buy your own router.
>>751810938
> Where i am right now, i can only get charter.
Is that for your entire vicinity?
> My apartments has a contract with them which is essentially just a regional monopoly
That's a problem for you to take up with your manager. You are also proving why there isn't any competition. That's literally what franchise agreements are.
> and there is 23 access points within just my phones range. Our router loses signal strength after 10 feet and constantly buffers and will often flat out crash in the middle of the night.
What does an equipment issue have to do with this discussion? Would service from Cumcast magically fix your piece-of-shit misconfigured router? Or are you dumb enough to use the one they gave you.
>>751811155
> recovery
http://www.shadowstats.com/
>>751811248
>take up a bribe
>with apt mgr
you need to live on your own for once
>>751811356
>shadowstats
mai niga
>>751811323
>the sad thing is, he may well have to use his approved router without NN.
In order to implement a ban on privately owned routers you'd have to require that all networked devices run proprietary firmware that does some kind of cryptographic exchange or something. I don't think that's feasible.
>>751811356
Thank you for this. I'm about to "redpill" this fuck out of myself.
>>751811529
You could perhaps use the same make and model as the ISP does, but that doesn't buy you much other than no rental fees.
>>751811639
Be careful, shadowstats are of varying quality. ISTR he calculates one of the Money or Unemployment stats that's no longer published by adding a fudge factor to one that is published.
>>751800985
Kill him.
>>751811912
>You could perhaps use the same make and model as the ISP does, but that doesn't buy you much other than no rental fees.
You can use literally any router with literally any ISP, and if you set it up there's no way for them to know that's you've even done that, much less to stop you. The high end, self-built desktop PC that I'm posting from provides a WiFi network for my bedroom and I'm the only person in the world who knows that it does that.
>>751811409
>>751811912
It doesn't even matter if their super accurate or not, he's likely in the ballpark. A lot of officials, business leaders, politicians, and economists liberal and conservative alike (except donkey dong-sucking krugman) acknowledge that official stats are bullshit.
>>751809854
Let's say this is correct. Does that mean I'll eventually be paying for just Netflix and all i get is Netflix for 10 a month and that's it or does it mean I'll be paying 50 a month oh and btw Netflix costs another 10 for us plus another 10 for Netflix. Because I'm assuming most people are assuming it's the latter.
To me this just seems like a way to not only make more money but also possibly for the government to get into shit and be like no more 4chan cuz fuck u
>>751800985
It's time
>>751812253
I think so
>>751812181
shit, brain fart, I was thinking modem
need more alcohol
>>751812253
For what, you larping faggot?
>>751803707
You win.
>>751800985
Is this going to slow down my aol connection?
>>751812510
Yes, if Verizon wants it
>>751804116
Ugh FFS my ISP just raised prices twice for us this past year.
>>751812510
yeah, then you'll have to go back to loadin up that copy of space cadet 3D on that floppy
>>751812227
It'd basically be you having to pay more for the internet you use today, if you don't pay you would have shit connection
>>751804386
What you are going to see is less unique content on the internet. With slow and fast lanes it will make it that much harder for the small people to publish online and make a presence. Sites like Google and Wikipedia will survive, but what about others? If Comcast and Verizon we're able to keep up the fuckers with Netflix between 2015 and now, what would it look like today?
>>751804116
>Rational answer? ISP's will just charge more for internet packages that keep things the way they are now like they television providers do for sports/movie channels.
This might be true for normies that only use facebook and netflix, but it won't be long until people start calling for boycotts of ISPs that allow access to morally questionable material, once people realize that ISPs are now capable of preventing access to such things.
>>751807694
Fuck that shit.
>>751804806
Yes considering that discrimination against political affiliation is perfectly legal atm.
>>751804806
Think about the damage that Trump is trying to do with demanding that Time Warner sell off CNN in exchange for the approval of the merger with AT&T
>>751800985
>muh hate big companey
>capitalistic country
why are Americans so fucking stupid?
>>751810323
Agreed
>>751812932
The point is not in the big company, it's the fact that it violates our first Amendment rights. They would be able to censor what they want if they had control of the internet.
>>751812822
well, they don't block any opinion, they just make you pay a premium to see all of those political blogs and facebook sites, and beeing part of an oposing political view may cost more than the mainstream.
>>751802011
Ever consider donating your body to science anon?
>>751812913
damage to whom?
>>751813042
A private corporation is not Congress. Nor is the FCC.
>>751812253
God I hope you're serious
FUCKING INDIAN PIECE OF SHIT.
>>751813745
For once
I honestly agree un-ironically
>>751813745
DESIGNATED
>>751813745
this
>>751800985
Time to learn how to hack anon's
https://youtu.be/dfF4rQd47Ro
https://youtu.be/-2OkljFzW3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5NmtmNwMgU&list=PLW5y1tjAOzI2ZYTlMdGzCV8AJuoqW5lKB
https://www.youtube.com/user/DEFCONConference
>>751803054
>poor you, you won't get free shit from the government that comes at the cost of organized theft from honest citizens. you will have to compete in the free market, and you won't have big brother government control every aspect of your snowflake world to make it all safe for baby.
>But, I sincerely wish you get your way, perhaps by escaping the nightmare that is freedom and liberty and seeking refuge in a socialist utopia like Venezuela.
>There, you will find a government that is in control of your whole world, where they shoot whiney, useless pieces of shit like you, where they squash and destroy your every dream and hope, where they suffocate you under layers of bureaucracy.
You do realize that corporate goliaths such as comcast and AT&T are gaining full control of your private life? You are criticizing big government for infringing on your rights and not respecting the constitution, when in-fact big corporate is getting ready to unload a hefty steaming turd on that little parchment of freedom. You understand that most people in this thread, be they either liberal or republican are afraid of having those freedoms restricted no? It seems like that isn't very clear to you.
>>751802610
Source or eat a hot steamy Indian log
>>751814588
> big corporate is getting ready to unload a hefty steaming turd on that little parchment of freedom
Constitution never applied to anyone other than the government, your argument is invalid.
>>751800985
I think our only option is to literally form our own community ISPs.
>>751808303
The fuck? You're suggesting that the government give more power to corporations so that when the corporations fuck us we can pay someone else to unfuck us? Holy shit the backwards 'logic' you /pol/tards use just to think you're onto something.
How about this, what is wrong with how the Internet is currently regulated and how will changing these regulations in the manner proposed be beneficial to the end user?
>>751814784
We create mesh networks and bypass the dinosaurs. It would work, but there's nobody here anymore with the ability, let alone capital, to start such a project. They'd rather bitch and moan and sign petitions like plebbit while mom brings tendies than do something cool and useful.
>>751808303
You literally have no idea how VPNs or the internet work, do you?
>>751809475
>The title II classification makes it extremely hard for ISPs to charge bandwidth hogs more money for using more bandwidth.
Um excuse me, they already charge customers more who use more. It costs me more to have a gigabit download speed compared to 50mbps. Since your logic falls apart here, can you clear this up for us before discussing your case further?
> I had just finally got my old ass parents to learn how to google
:(
>>751802011
As much as I don't want to agree with this, it's true. The world pre-internet seems like some long forgotten golden age but it was only 20 odd years ago. Shit's gone downhill fast.
>>751814731
>implying that the little parchment of freedom was ever for anyone but the nobility that dare not call itself that
Same as the Magna Carta. The Charter of the Forest was much more interesting.
>>751800985
If I lived close to this POS I'd make his life hell.
Slash tired, chuck bags of rotten food over his cars, buy those stink vials and hurls them against his house and cement, force him to smell skunk every night to name a few things.
