Why is net neutrality bad?
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Why is net neutrality bad?
>>751739215
it isnt. fuck off
I would also like to know. Why is the government telling a service provider that they aren't allowed to change the quality of their service depending on what someone's using it for not good? It's like if a gas station could charge you more or less depending on if you were commuting in your car or running deliveries in it.
>>751739215
Sisters perhaps?
>>751741059
>>751741156
>>751739215
It is not. Companies are trying to frame it as bad, so they can implement methods to charge consumers more.
>>751741320
this
>>751741263
Basically a couple of Congress men are trying to pass some stuff so providers can profit off the internet, like paywalls or quality of content. Which is stupid because that means you'll have to pay to watch YouTube or Google something and depending on your "online plan" so to speak, you would either end up watching that youtube video in 144p or 1080p or you could have inaccurate facts on Google or have the real ones. It's all complete bullshit if you ask me
i dont really care. only poor fags care.
>>751739215
Like most government regulation, it's designed to keep billion-dollar corporations from abusing the shit out of consumers.
Getting rid of NN allows ISP's to block certain sites if you don't pay enough money.
>>751741633
>if I'm rich, I'll still get all the same content
only a useless spoiled brat with no brains would think this.
Trust me, retard, when the paywalls start going up everywhere, the content you have access to will wither away because the people who make it will be censored by ISPs.
>>751741320
my internet went up 5 bucks this month and it is the shittest near dial up speed dsl, what the fuck do these niggers want? I guess not loyal decade long customers....
>>751742311
i really dont care rofl. i dont live in a place where the government is dumb enough to get influenced on US' dumb shit to remove net neutrality.
>>751742311
though there are many poor retards who still support this
>>751742311
Just happen already.
>>751741633
Ever wonder why there is no new beast porn? Because the US government forbade US banks and CC companies from dealing with any company that produces such.
Allowing a premium to be charged for /gif/ wont end OC outright but it will reduce OC which will further reduce OC as less people visit.
>>751742617
Too bad you will still most likely need to access some content from USA. Say, isn't google in USA? Or 4chan?
>>751742843
This, a lot of people don't understand that this is the case, it really needs to be drilled home
>>751741059
>Frank
>>751739215
pretty nice dollar menu.
>>751742617
>implying most of the content of the internet isn't made and hosted in the US, including 4chan
kill yourself you dumb faggot
Tbh. I have yet to meet a person who is in support of net neutrality.
I remember hearing about it during Obama. Congress tried to sneak in a bill and it was quickly denied. They tried a second time and failed as well.
The only people who could possibly be in support of this are old people who do not use the internet
>>751743037
sshhh dont be mad edgy guy. you guys will lose really soon to a shitty indian immigrant
>>751743058
they tried to sneak in bills to REPEAL Net Neutrality.
Get your shit straight, dummy, the entire internet (except for Russian trolls) support Net Neutrality
>>751743176
>xenophobic projections
your trolling is desperate and pathetic, level up noob
hmmmmmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XUeMP6UIZc
>>751739215
>>751740029
Ajit Pai's main point is putting money in ISP's pockets will make infrastructure, and Internet itself better for anyone.
I wish some free market cuck would come in and start arguing that this will be exactly how it goes...
But not fucking delusional people understand that after receiving additional revenue out of nowhere companies isn't going to reinvest it in anything but personal wealth of main shareholders.
>>751743253
>uwaa
>my interneetz
>send halp
pls win pajeet
>>751739315
Says the kike
>>751743266
that guy would get wrecked by a nigger, who cares what he thinks?
time to learn japanese in a month and browse 2ch
>>751743188
Oh yeah that what I meant.
So basically, the government wants to make it possible for ISPs to throttle internet speeds?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
What can I do to stop it? Call my senitor? What else?
Also I propose we start to think of ways we could possibly beat this in practice. Just in case
>>751743188
I am Russian, I troll almost every day, and even I am in favor of net neutrality.
Btw, people who actually get paid for trolling actually need net neutrality, otherwise ISP will have easier time cutting off sweatshop troll houses, spammer subnets, etc.
>>751739215
All it really amounts to is that everyone will end up getting an account with IPVanish and Unlocator worst case scenario. Or maybe we'll all DIY like this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/how-to-build-your-own-vpn-if-youre-rightfully-wary-of-commercial-options/
>>751740029
Roads and gas are already taxed like that.
>>751743339
How do you think companies like Comcast or Century Link run new fiber lines for gig service?
Anyways, I'd feel alone if there's no 4chan. How will this affect Canada?
![650toldyou[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FWhIl7j.jpg "650toldyou[1].jpg")
>>751743631
so will I get charged more if I browse tranny porn vs normal porn?
>>751743572
Do you know how Internet even works, nubnuts?
ISP won't need to throttle everyone's personal connection, so VPN won't help. They will just for example throttle all connections to Hulu, and personally get your speed up to the site if you pay extra. Same goes to any big content provider.
>>751743650
No one cares about Canada though. No one even cares about your abundant resources to care about you, enjoy your nigger friendly government.
>>751743698
I would assume gay and tranny porn with be free. Straight porn will cost extra.
>>751743631
>How do you think companies like Comcast or Century Link run new fiber lines for gig service?
What, you imply that they are not making enough money as it is?
Btw, I am not American, so I never had to do anything with comcast or century link. But I heard a lot of bad stuff about comcast.
>>751743783
still better than zero memez
>>751743792
oh shit I am pissed now!
>>751743188
I imagine even the Russian trolls support net neutrality because it makes it easier for them to spread propaganda online.
>>751743736
Right, but that connection to Hulu would be going through a proxy so it wouldn't be throttled, so the ISP would see your connection going to something else which they don't throttle and then you're connected to Hulu through that exit node. Your speed would be limited by the speed of the proxy
>>751743487
lol after you pay for the international internet package for $29.99 extra a month nigga
>>751743862
Never remember the last time when I saw a canada meme, no one cares..
>>751743531
>ISPs are motivated to cut off sweatshop troll houses that boost their traffic
Don't be fucking stupid. They'll just make more money off them, that's all.
>>751743783
On an unrelated topic, do you jerk off imagining Trump fucking Ivanka? I bet a lot of you incest loving southerners do.
>>751739215
>Why is net neutrality bad?
Do you want the net to become cable television?
>>751743736
>>751743925
like if you're my ISP and you block me from something.com, my VPN allows me to get to something.com but to you I'm connected to someothershit.com
>>751743993
stop being a pussy nigger lover and think for a second, stay on topic, you can do it boy, I love how liberals let their insecurities effect their daily views especially when they are totally off topic. Enjoy your depression.
>>751743915
ISPs don't care about propaganda, they care about money
if someone is willing to pay to spread their propaganda (and they're already hiring an army of shills), they won't mind dealing with the ISPs.
think clearly people, this is about MONEY, THAT'S ALL
>>751744078
I mean if people have to pay extra to access certain websites, especially social media sites such as Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, that's bad for the Russian propagandists because it means fewer people are accessing those sites, so their propaganda is reaching fewer individuals.
>>751744078
When I see the yahoo comment section, I can't help but agree with you, the majority are pussy shills like this guy that will just pay more and shut up. >>751743993
>>751743925
Are you retarded? Do you understand that having a proxy doesn't avoid going through any of the same cable connection? That data that comes from content providers still needs to be fucking accessed? Yes, you are doing it anonymously, but who gives a fuck? You wont get throttled down personally until you pay - everyone is gona get throttled until they pay.
>>751744190
oh no child porn downloads are slowed down, the humanity !!!
>>751743495
Cal your senator and representative, both houses of congress.
If it goes through, hopefully some ISP will refuse to follow the rest of the industry and we can use them and boycott the rest
>not gonna happen
>>751739315
>>751741320
Saying "there's NOTHING bad about it" just means you don't understand the issue from all perspectives. With any decision there are pros and cons, no matter how small.
1. Adding regulation of any kind adds to the complexity of the legal system. Net neutrality rules are already in place, so we're past this. But theoretically removing them would reduce this complexity.
That's basically it. The arguments at times extend past "complexity" and toward unnecessary stifling.
Mike O'Rielly is one of the five FCC people going to vote on this. He's one of the two people aside from Pai who plan on voting to dismantle the rules. He put out a statement about it that says: "The Internet was a vibrant place of commerce and public discourse before the rules ever took effect and will
continue to flourish after we discard this unnecessary and harmful regulatory overhang."
So that's it. The argument is that it doesn't help and can make companies stuck in regulation.
>>751743997
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if you are shill, there is no difference, it has already happened... They are just trying to effect other people that avoid and do not fuck with them, that is why I am mad...
>>751744190
My friend, I don't think you understand how a VPN works. A DNS VPN for example doesn't change or hide your IP at all, it spoofs your internet connection location. You're under informed
>>751744185
so?
The point of propaganda isn't too inundate every individual in endless bullshit, it's to dominate the conversation.
It doesn't matter how big the conversation is or how small it's forced to be, Russian propaganda will not be limited at all.
>>751744190
>>751744441
it's the exact reason how Unlocator can still get you netflix from another region
>>751743970
>They'll just make more money off them, that's all.
Duh. Thanks captain obvious!
Where do you think money to pay for that connection will appear from?
Guess what, from people working there.
>>751744071
What topic? Canada? I thought this thread was about net neutrality. You don't seem to eager to talk about that, cuck.
>>751744187
I am all for net neutrality, fuckboy.
YOu trumpies are soo simple. If I don't like someone - he is shill. If he is shill, he is for everything I am against.
Unfortunately, world doesn't operate like that.
>>751739215
No Bait Here, Honest: Me and the Wife were talking about this today, and she asked me "what is your position on Net Neutrality" and I honestly can't think of why anyone would not want it, even though I have a basic distrust of the Government.
So please, someone tell me WHY getting rid of Net Neutrality would be a Good Thing. Because for the life of me, I can't think of a reason, but I'm open to persuasion.
in the United States, we require our airlines to have seatbelts. A seat belt on an airplane doesn't make a lot of sense by itself, because it isn't going to make a real difference to your safety if the plane crashes. The express reason the travel department requires seatbelts on planes is because it requires the plane to have seats for the passengers. Some airline companies want to gut the seats out of planes so they can pack people in like cattle. The tickets will cost the same.
The internet connects people. It hosts the sum of human knowledge. It is quit possibly the most significant invention in our lifetimes. The more people that have access to the internet, the better. Net neutrality preserves the internet by preventing ISPs from acting as arbitrators for content. It isn't just about money, its about control. By paywalling access, they can restrict certain demographics ability to gain knowledge.
>>751744427
>that is why the mainstream looked at the internet like this will never take off, then they got pissed and felt left out...
![kodak-black-is-still-eating-jail-food[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7FRzas1.jpg "kodak-black-is-still-eating-jail-food[1].jpg")
>>751744563
I didn't vote for Trump though just because i post a pic of him laughing at you, don't you and your insecurities have some kids or young actors to molest?
>>751744563
>people who work in sweatshop troll factories will have to pay the ISPs
wow, you're REALLY stupid
the people who run sweatshop troll factories have plenty of money to pay off a few measly ISPs.
Get your fucking head straight.
>>751744441
I am done fucking explaining it to you. Do whatever, IDGAF.
>>751744814
So, say you're comcast and I'm with you and you block me from Hulu. A certain type of VPN can make Hulu think I'm not coming from a comcast connection while at ther same time make it look to comcast that I'm not connecting to Hulu. Get it yet?
>>751744454
Dominating the conversation is simply a means to an end. The ultimate goal is to influence public opinion and, by extension, public policy. In that sense, their propaganda is the most effective when it reaches the greatest number of people.
>>751743915
Like the ones that implemented it would have to pay the fees or have fees paid to see their shit. Like the senators have a private line for comcast.
>>751744690
I'll make sure to vote for him in 2020 though just to piss off irrational resist what pussies like you...
I love how a small irrelevant hand full of useless idiots make the country heal and move foward. When is Hilary going to suicide ?
>>751744690
>I didn't vote for Trump though just because i post a pic of him laughing at you
Obviously not, you voted for him because you are fucking retarded.
>don't you and your insecurities have some kids or young actors to molest?
I thought it was an older rich white guy thing?
I am not one, so I am not into that.
>>751744710
>money grow on trees
>no cost on employer will ever hurt employees
How is 9th grade treating ya? It is about time for you to start actually thinking about how economics work.
Staying with your mom untill 30's will work for you too, I guess.
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>>751744940
>>751744267
>>751744579
I thought the seat belts helped with it became very turbulent,
>>751744940
Oh, it is fucking easy as fuck.
You are the one providing internet access to Hulu. All you need to do is throttle all incoming connections from all people but the ones that bought you Unlimited huluacess superplan tm. To get full speed, you will need to always log in from the same IP though. Sucks for dynamic IP fags, but I am sure your provider will be able to provide you a static one. Maybe not free.
How bout that?
>>751744997
That's a very simplistic model and not realistic at all.
In reality, opinion and discourse is concentrated in specific conversations at specific places and opinions are disseminated from there.
The truth is that social media sites like Reddit are HUGE formers of public opinion, and that won't change even if traffic is throttled down.
The opinions will still get out to everyone, our world is too interconnected to avoid that. The only difference is that it will be easier to control the initial conversation in areas that are influential to public opinion.
>>751739215
You are literally arguing against your OWN FREEDOM to stream/download movies/music/documents online or even post on a shitty site like 4chan.
Anyone against net neutrality is a cocksucking, subhuman omega male faggot whose opinion is of no value.
>>751744350
the main aspect of the regulation is that companies CAN'T regulate and cherry pick your access to the internet with slow lanes or blocking you altogether. if you pay for access to internet, you get full access to internet.
getting rid of net neutrality is MORE regulation...it's just the companies will be allowed to regulate it however they want, although they will have to disclose it to the consumer.
so basically net neutrality rules prevent companies from over regulating access to various parts of the internet.
>>751745356
He is just asking the question, fam, relax. Aren't you supposed to at least state your stance on the subject to be considered "arguing"?
>>751745069
I voted for Hilary your minimum wage minimum logic nigger lover, even if a muslim was fucking your wife you would come up with excuses like that dumb nigger lover in Canada that stated when the enemy sleeps with your wife you win.. you pussies will come up with any excuse for anything, that is why you will be slaughtered or any battlefield or your homeland when shit kicks off, can't wait to visit canada...
>>751745231
That wouldn't be the ISP doing that though, in your scenario that would be Hulu doing that. An ISP can't dictate what connections Hulu themselves allow to be incoming. Unlimited Hulu access superplan would be Hulu not your ISP
>>751745301
That's a good point. I suppose, at the very least, it remains to be seen exactly how the loss of net neutrality will effect cyber propaganda efforts. Hopefully we won't ever need to find out.
>>751745510
Why so mad?
I don't care who you voted for if you are this retarded though.
>>751745567
cyber propaganda will continue becoming more influential no matter what happens, of that I'm 100% certain
>>751745510
*on
see no one even cares about canada to even overtake it, they just steal your benefits internally, thank gawd some Americans still have pride in being a MAN
>>751745231
>>751745535
your IPS could charge you extra to try and connect to Hulu, but you can go thru a proxy that makes them not know you're doing that. And whatever Hulu charges for an account is what Hulu charges for an account
>>751745535
>That wouldn't be the ISP doing that though, in your scenario that would be Hulu doing that.
So Hulu just appears in the internet? They don't have internet providers? Ok, fam, IDGAF as I stated already.
>>751741059
Fuck yeah, love this pink girl
>>751745607
I can't be mad when I am not a pussy cuck giving up my points of views to others so easily, or forcing them upon them. Seek help my insecure friend...
>>751745710
A website doesn't havbe an ISP, it has a domain
>>751745778
So am I forcing them or giving them up?
> Seek help my insecure friend...
No amount of projections will ever make your daddy love you. I am sure you can forget about his neglect in some strong, manly strangers arms...
>>751745679
For sure, yeah. But I find it very hard to believe that the loss of net neutrality would have no effect at all, since we're talking about a major change to the way the Internet functions.
>>751745694
but what they charge for accounts is also effected by the nature of traffic they're receiving through ISPs.
e.g. if the ISP charges customers to visit your site, they've already filtered the ones that are willing to pay money for your content, so you probably want to get in on that action too
>>751745813
So domain where Hulu hosted appears directly in the internet?
Yeah, I bet. Not like ISP's own most of infrastructure...
>>751741059
>>751741156
>>751741263
Are there any more of these? It got my attention.
>>751745920
Sure, things'll change, but I'm sure they already have contingency plans and projections in place, this isn't amateur stuff.
>>751745492
He started off this thread by having the gall to even ask "Why is net neutrality bad?" He is either uneducated or a shill working along the lobbyists pushing to end net neutrality. You might as well ask "Why are monopolies bad?"
>>751739215
because it prevents big and rich isps from becoming bigger and richer
>>751745989
Domain is how to find the website, it's hosted on a server. DNS is domain name service which translates the IP address 104.16.119.221 into a name like 4chan.org
>>751745987
okay but that doesn't mean you can't go thru a proxy to get to the site your ISP is blocking
>>751745868
This is why you keep losing... nice logic!
>>751745989
yes, the domain appears directly on the internet
>>751745868
Maybe you should deal with your insecurities before logging on to the web?
>>751746205
"Why are monopolies bad?"
You really think that this is a question that should never ever be discussed?
Or that wanting to learn about something if you don't know about it is morally objectionable?
I think net neutrality is a BAD idea.
First off there is no evidence that spooky boogeyman counterfactual disaster would happen.
Secondly, ISPs SHOULD be able to distribute the services they provide and decide their payment model because this makes for a potentially better functioning internet and economy.
If you can't choose another ISP, that's not about net neutrality at all.
Someone is going to charge me for a service they provide. Egads!
>>751739215
>why is net neutrality bad
>literally using one of the most likely sites on the internet that big telecom would attack/block complete access to
>>751746378
How much are you being paid for these posts? Genuinely curious.
>>751745987
>considering the ISP's just killed all your potential customers that didn't want to pay very much at first
yeah, it's inevitable. The death of Net Neutrality will lead to higher prescription costs everywhere, it's basic economics.
I love beeing made stupider everyday by my lovely companys so I spend more time using their services so they can make money. Money is good for the economer
>>751746378
The thing is, they already charge you for a service they provide. With the new proposal, censorship becomes all too easy. Morality becomes legislated.
>>751746224
Thank you for that fucking unrelated fact. Good job. Once again, one step deeper, how does that server connect to the Internet? I feel that you are trolling me, a person can't unintentionally be that daft.
>>751746505
>it's basic economics
Explain.
>>751746349
>>751746293
You have to log on to your account in order to access the site.
In order to make login information, you have to be using a prescribed ISP.
This is already in practice all over the internet, proxies will not save you.
>>751746350
it's like asking why a dictatorship is bad. it may not be if the leader is jesus mcgoodytwoshoes like say the unrealistic perfect protagonist of Richard Rahl from the Terry Goodkind novels but there's a good chance it'll be a piece of shit running the show
>>751743176
>shit street pajeet is killing the internet
SUPER POWER 2020
>>751746602
Hulu keeps prices low by having a large pool of customers, since it doesn't cost them anything PER CUSTOMER, their costs are all wrapped up in filming new shows.
If you get rid of all the customers who aren't sure they want to pay the ISP to access your site, you have less people to advertise to but the ones you do have access to are already financially committed to you.
The only way to offset the loss of all the potential customers is to capitalize on the ones that have committed to you.
>>751746569
That's is already happening though. Stuff is getting censored all over the place. Shouldn't banks have to provide services indiscriminately also?
>>751746349
Maybe you should stop being retarded before logging in to the internet?
>>751746297
By this point you aren't even making any sense. Keep losing what?
nice meme pic btw
>>751746327
So if I want to get my own site, what do I do?
I go to people that host them. What do people who host sites have? Servers.
How are servers connected to internet? ...
Do we really have to take that a single step at a time? Can't you just go through that without my help?
>>751746607
god someone please help me with this guy. the proxy vpn sends your traffic thru a portal that is not the site your isp is blokcing and thru that portal sends you to the site while making that site think you're coming from somewhere other than where you're actually coming from
>>751746595
That's not what you said, to answer what you asked is someone purchases the domain and ICANN is the one that sets it up. Now I haven't looked back at this entire conversation but I was trying to help you ask the correct question. Servers do have ISPs, if you're connected to the internet you have an ISP because it is an Internet Service Provider. Without a provider you have no internet. But that doesn't mean that it is Comcast or something because some companies are their own ISPs. The Internet is a system of many computers connected it each other and it started a very long time ago. What Comcast is doing isn't damaging the internet they're just making it harder for you to get to it by charging you for more. Net Neutrality is about having everyone connected the same no matter what part of the internet they're going to. So if I wanted to look at Netflix on Comcast or Verizon I can look at Netflix.
>mfw stupid 4chan shitlord fucks will lose access to the chans because their local ISP was petitioned and lobbied by local moralfags to block it
>mfw these are the same shitlords that wanted to end net neutrality
>mfw they also voted for drumpf
>mfw
>>751739215
It allows your service provider to filter your content (so if Comcast doesn't like 4chan, then you will not be able to access 4chan sort of thing). Additionally if you search for things your ISP doesn't think you should be searching for it gives them the authority to do anything from cancelling your service up to contacting the police if you're looking for something 'illegal' whether it is or isn't.
>>751746900
but you can't access the site because you don't have login information made for it
the ONLY way to make that information is to login through your ISP and pay them for the access
That's not the case everywhere but it is in some places and it will only be more widespread.
>>751746617
Fuck off. This is really stupid point of view, and you should feel bad.
Morals have to be examined. Questions need to be asked and answered. Sitting with a cock in you mouth and never arguing about points you feel like don't need to be ever discussed is a nice way to get Richard Spencer asking "Is slavery actually bad?", with not a single libcuck in sight to ever address it, but with a shit ton of race realists screeching "he is fucking right! Fuck niggers!".
IF YOU LIKED THE INTERNET THE WAY ITS BEEN FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS THEN GET RID OF "NET NEUTRALITY" THIS SHIT WAS ONLY PASSED IN 2015 FFS, ITS GIVING CONTROL OF THE INTERNET TO THE FCC, YOU KNOW... THE IDIOTS THAT CENSOR THE WORD "SHIT" ON TV, IF YOU WANT A TRULY FREE INTERNET LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR 20 YEARS FUCK OBAMAS BULLSHIT, YOU'RE ALL BRAINWASHED SERIOUSLY..
>>751739215
>>751739215
Net neutrality has several problems, or ending it so to speak. Normally the free market makes a lot of the stupid shit these internet providers are proposing preposterous for any business. For example. Most fast food chains either have a $1 dollar menu or an equivalent. If said chain doesn't have one then it's likely that its known for being extravagant or of high quality. This is because at some point McDonald's started a dollar menu and wrecked everyone shit for years. Fast food places have just started ditching dollar menu's two years ago. (due primarily to inflation) HOWEVER fast food restaurants do not suffer from a monopoly. They collude with each other all the time but they are still competitors. The ISP's we use are brazenly out in the open monopoly's. They refuse to compete with each other to the point that they don't even open their businesses in the same region to keep each others prices high. This is getting to be a super long post so I'ma stop. I believe in the free market however when a monopoly like this pops up the government needs to intervene.
>>751746884
server hosters/domains are different things than isps with users. i understand what you're trying to say but it doesn't apply in what i'm talking about, although there may be a few different conversations going on here simultaneously
>>751746469
5 c per post AUD
>>751743339
Yep, it's a complete delusion to believe the market has ever worked. Communism forever!
>>751746832
That's not a realistic picture AT ALL. If the ISP blocks services before you can access them the ISP loses out on the same proportion of customers as Hulu does. Throttling streams until you pay is a more realistic option.
>>751747278
but that's just an ugly white bitch
>>751747356
soon on the stock market news: PRICE OF PIXELS PER HOUR REACHES NEW RECORD $0.017 PER MILLION
>>751747408
>"why does anime look like white ppl"
>>751747172
That's my big concern about net neutrality. The internet has succeeded largely because it was the Wild West. Regulating it like a utility seems ill advised, and a great way to stifle further growth.
But whew, lay off the caps.
>>751747125
you're talking about a whitelist scenario, like netflix region lock, which isn't the isps doing, it's netflix. they require specific dns ranges to allow a connection. but you can go thru a portal with the allowed range. most dns vpns don't work that use a wide ip range but there a a couple that offer smaller specific ranges and it still works, last i checked Unlocator still offered a range that works, in this netflix region example
>>751746949
>That's not what you said
That is what I say now.
Are you gonna answer the question? Because you didn't unless you meant that ICANN provides hosters with connection, which is not what ICANN does.
And, also, do you know who owns USA's internet infrastructure? And on the same topic, what is a transit agreement?
>>751747472
That's showing why anime people look Asian but it picked the worse picture of an ugly bitch and a Japanese model
>>751747125
one thing you're not getting is that an isp doesn't dictate what information the destination website will and won't allow, like in the hulu example. comcast couldn't dictate what connectiojn hulu allows, comcast could dictate what connections going thru them are allowed to go to that site but you can get around that. the host site incoming connections doesn't answer to some isp. my isp couldn't tell netflix to allow me or not, but what they could do is block me from going there on their own end, but i can get around that using a proxy
>>751747172
>Net Neutrality
>Net Safety
>Net Compliance
>Net Control
You shortsighted faggots will get what you deserve.
>>751744350
Fuck of corporate shill.
IF YOU LIKED THE INTERNET THE WAY ITS BEEN FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS THEN GET RID OF "NET NEUTRALITY" THIS SHIT WAS ONLY PASSED IN 2015 FFS, ITS GIVING CONTROL OF THE INTERNET TO THE FCC, YOU KNOW... THE IDIOTS THAT CENSOR THE WORD "SHIT" ON TV, IF YOU WANT A TRULY FREE INTERNET LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR 20 YEARS FUCK OBAMAS BULLSHIT, YOU'RE ALL BRAINWASHED SERIOUSLY.
If a company censors things people will riot and take their business elsewhere, let me put it this way okay, companies take over the internet and censor everything right? Now you come along and say your company censors NOTHING, who are customers going to flock to? Yeah, exactly. The free market is far from perfect but it works pretty damn well.
>>751747273
Aren't we talking about possibility of throttling internet access to content providers? It began with someone saying that VPN would fix that, but it won't.
You can wear mask at your home all day long, it won't help you if you will have to get to the neighboring town through the roadblock with angry cops.
>>751747778
> quote fail
>>751747323
>Yep, it's a complete delusion to believe the market has ever worked.
It isn't. it is a delusion to believe that companies have your best interests at heart, and will pay back in service every dollar that you spend.
>>751744350
what are pros of you getting assraped by a bunch of sandniggers and then beheaded?
>>751747866
So the market has always worked, but companies don't have your best interests at heart?
Confused reply is confused.
>>751747172
>>751747490
Net neutrality is the regulation that ensures that the *content* on the internet that can be delivered is not regulated by the ISP's that deliver it. In other words, it's why you can browse 4chan at whatever speed they can deliver it to you. Without net neutrality, the ISPs would be free to deliver sites you like at any speed they choose, so your already ad-spammed internet existence delivers ads at blazing speed, and content you want at a crawl, unless you pay more for the sites you want.
Dumbfucks.
>>751747866
ISPs are competing for customers. They might not have your best interests at heart, but they do heart your money.
>>751747789
this is painful. okay, let's start over. your isp throttles your traffic to Hulu, so you don't connect to Hulu, you connect to a portal, which your isp is not throttling. anywhere your traffic goes after that portal is not seen by your isp. the proxy exit node would now be limiting your speed
>>751748014
Well if it was you, you you'd be dead. And I think that would benefit us all.
>>751747581
Are you retarded? I just said ICANN is who sets is the one in charge of setting it all up when it comes to domains. Not hosts. Are you talking about the physical connections line the cables? They're owned by the ISPs but were paid for by the US Government. And if you're talking about the 1972 Transit Agreement it is how they arranged access from West to East Germany or are you talking about a peering agreement?
>>751744185
So we should limit the amount of people that can go on places like Facebook because of a few Russians? When you cross the road you could get hit by a car if you aren’t careful. But that doesn’t make me want to stop myself and others from crossing them anyways so why should we be taking away net neutrality for reasons like this.
>>751748081
What does your post have to do with anything? You're making idiots look bad.
>>751748144
and if not?
>>751747778
Your dumbfuck argument assumes that companies can't communicate with each other or buy out a competitor. They do that. That's why you have comcast or frontier in most of the US.
>>751748214
I don't know the other anon, so I have no opinion.
>>751748014
When it is done, you are dead and free from existential suffering forever.
I am not the guy you were talking too though, fuck him, he is a retard. He just can't fucking get the fact that natural monopolies(ISP's) having a way to directly influence small businesses (some internet content providers not all of them are small ofc),is a fucking disaster for the free market.
>>751748198
It's pretty much the crux of the whole issue, if you had the capacity to understand it.
> REGULATION BAD. OBAMA BAD.
This is not a cogent argument based on the facts of the issue at hand.
>>751748097
>ISPs are competing for customers. They might not have your best interests at heart, but they do heart your money.
Wait, aren't you USA guys have a shit ton of places with a single provider owning huge infrastructure spans?
Your point kinda works where I live though. We got fucking awesome cheap internet (8 bucks a month, 50 mbit/s) because there is a shit ton of competing.
>>751748073
So there are only two possibilities, markets always work or never work? Fuck off, retard, go die in a fire.
>>751748388
You just rephased a basic tenet of the discussion that everybody already understood. If you had the capacity to keep up with the conversation, you would have said something relevant to the posts you quoted, instead of saying something equivalent to the sky is blue.
>>751748098
>which your isp is not throttling.
Why? Because of goodness of their heart?
>>751748158
>Are you retarded? I just said ICANN is who sets is the one in charge of setting it all up when it comes to domains.
Then you didn't ask the question I asked you, retard. That was the dichotomy I presented you, either you didn't answer and still need to, or you fucking didn't. Can you even read?
The paranoia over a lack of "Net Neutrality" is extreme. Arguments against it remind me of bottom-of-the-barrel crap that right wing Christian groups dug up for arguments against gay marriage.
ISPs should be able to throttle whatever they want, especially if it's for the "greater good". Say Instagram usage is slamming their network and they throttle access to it ever so slightly just so other content can flow freely, so what.
>>751748529
>So there are only two possibilities, markets always work or never work? Fuck off, retard, go die in a fire.
No, it's more complex than that. Unlike you're stupidity, which makes you simple.
>>751748682
>dichotomy
Are you 12?
If all of you bickering mongoloids focused your attention on fucking actually voicing your concerns to your congressmen instead of endlessly bitching at each other here, maybe there would be a chance of this thing getting shot down in the vote.
>>751748562
I'm sorry, gentleman scholar...
If I'm restating facts we all agree on then what's your argument?
>>751748741
>ISPs should be able to throttle whatever they want
Yeah, I agree.
This would also work great for hospitals. Getting a mortgage to pay for you MRI will work great when you are on a deathbed. I am sure fucking government just need to get off medical industry's back, everything is going to be alright.
>>751748741
They can already do that under net neutrality. The only way 1 sites traffic can effect anothers is if the ISPs pipe to the level 3 isps is fully utilized or if that provider (like layer 3 was earlier this year) is experiencing a DDos attack
>>751748682
Another anon, but nobody else is obligated to accept your dichotomy
gofccyourself.com
>>751748529
I'm not actually USAnian. Where I live, there's no cable (only 10Mbps) except on the next street because. We missed out because the landlord company opted out and the old fucks here didn't care.
I get my internet wirelessly, which saves money using the same subscription for all devices.
>>751748578
so, you're saying your isp will throttle the entire internet except for a handful of whitelisted domains? it doesn't work that way, they don't don't work backwards from a whitelist. they would only throttle those specific websites that they want you to pay them more money to access
>>751739215
......
not sure if trolling
>>751748578
Because the traffic is encapsulated, they can still throttle traffic to and from the vpn or proxy
>>751748960
Net neutrality is part and parcel of an attempt to further regulate the internet.
>>751749088
>I'm not actually USAnian.
We can tell. Only Yuropoors use that insult.
>>751739215
From a non americans point of view it isn't bad. Less burgers on the net would be a dream come true.
>>751748741
Because then ISPs have power over what content is allowed on their network and they can prioritize content that makes them money. Do you think ISPs don't also have vested interests in media?
They can snuff out competition, price startups out of competition, etc.
Do you really want a utility company to decide what kind of information you're allowed to access on a global network for you?
>>751748097
Not in the us, I cant remember the percentages but it approaches 80 percent of the market only has one broadband provider
>>751748578
>>751749097
they most likely wouldn't even be aware of half of the vpn services available. for fuck sake man, you can create your own vpn using a cloud hosting service, how would they know to throttle this? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/how-to-build-your-own-vpn-if-youre-rightfully-wary-of-commercial-options/
they wouldn't even know if you did that with your traffic, all they would see is the traffic going to some random cloud host domain. what am i teaching a fucking class here?
>>751748984
Nobody is obligated to have a normal conversation. You can shit post all you want, just expect to be shitposted in response.
>>751748760
What, you first time hearing the word? And this somehow makes me 12 yo?
Jees, you are getting dumber by the sentence, which is a surprise, seeing how dumb everything else you said was.
>>751749185
It is effectively the opposite of that. It regulates the utilities that deliver the internet, not the content on the network. It prevents utilities from regulating the internet.
How hard is that to understand?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjDanSjWyo
>>751749344
>all they would see is the traffic going to some random cloud host domain
What's stopping them from throttling this mystery traffic?
>>751749168
but the isp would have to do that deliberately, with that specific site, also, the vpn site could change their domain, like when a torrent site changes their domain
>>751749358
Posting a dichotomy and demand someone a pick a side isn't a "normal conversation". It's an attempt to trap someone. But you're a dick, which is probably why you're pissed the other anon didn't fall into your stupid trap.
>>751749358
It's just that you're using such big words and phrases, usually wrong, in your past few posts that it makes me think you're looking them up on the fly to seems smarter than you are. I mean it takes two seconds to watch a YouTube video on how the internet works but you're here begging for btards to help you through it. Do you need help with your algebra next?
>>751749491
that means they would be throttling your traffic without knowing where it's going, just throttling it peroid, everywhere. you just ruined your point
>>751749088
Well, that is what I heard about internet in the USA. Not much competition.
>>751749097
Why not just throttle VPN's?
>>751749168
> they can still throttle traffic to and from the vpn or proxy
That would be wise of them, don't you think?
>>751749344
>they most likely wouldn't even be aware of half of the vpn services available.
Why the fuck do you think that? Don't you think that knowing that would earn them some cash, and it would be a good idea to find out?
>you can create your own vpn using a cloud hosting service, how would they know to throttle this?
You will still need ISP to connect you DIY VPN to the internet, won't you?
And stop shilling for that site, that is just not nice.
>>751749604
And what's stopping them from doing that? Why wouldn't they curtail, or at least look into where this data is going, when it's eating up precious bandwidth from people's idiot-box streaming?
>>751749491
it deosn't work like a whitelist, the isp throttle would choose specific sites. they wouldn't throttle random domains, or for that matter they wouldn't throttle everyone except for this and that, it doesn't work that way
I bet every normie will be using a vpn after this thing goes through.
>and then vpn's create packages for different sites
>>751749701
The only reason why there might be a push back on VPNs is that many big businesses use them to protect themselves when connecting from home, etc. They wouldn't want their fellow big businesses to be hurt
>>751741631
>>751742166
The problem with removing NN isn't this. IT's that companies will be allowed to have data caps and to throttle internet during peak hours again.
>>751741631
>inaccurate facts on Google
So like it is now
>>751749679
there's no getting thru here is there? the whole point is they wouldn't know your traffic is going thu the portal. my fucking heads gonna explode
>>751747209
My nigga
>>751749499
>Posting a dichotomy and demand someone a pick a side isn't a "normal conversation".
Okay. I guess I should let everyone wiggle around everything, never hold a steady position, never answer a question, just let them drop unrelated facts on me all day long for it to be normal by your standarts. I would prefer that you just fucked off with your retarded opinion then.
>>751749506
Dichotomy is a big word? Man, getting more retarded every post. Keep it up.
>>751742166
>Like most government regulation, it's designed to keep billion-dollar corporations from abusing the shit out of consumers.
Yeah, keep sucking the government's teet. You have a lot to learn son. Regulation is almost always disastrous for the consumer.
>>751749752
I just don't see how they would let something like that slide. I get that they wouldn't want to just blindly restrict access to something. At what point do they notice a stream of data, assess it's threat in terms of their bottom line, and take action?
>>751749411
That's your false assumption. You're talking about ISPs as "utilities". Until recently, they weren't. Now they're being regulated like utilities, and you can make an argument for that, because they are effective monopolies in many places. But utilities tend to be slow, hidebound, and inefficient. They react poorly to change, they're massively meddled with by politicians, and the groups that regulate them like the FCC tend to be intrusive and conservative. The reason the internet grew so quickly wasn't just the content, it was the infrastructure, which grew madly and adopted new technologies. Which will stop, if the IPSs are tightly regulated. We need to find a middle ground. And that middle ground needs to start with a hefty skepticism toward new regulations, because bureaucracies have a tendency to grow and grow, not wilt.
>>751749701
you're a fucking moron
>>751749960
That's odd that since NN rules have been in place nothing bad has happened but in about 3 years we'll see the real result of removing them.
>>751749854
>the whole point is they wouldn't know your traffic is going thu the portal
Why? Because they are retarded and can't see you accessing VPN-anonimizer-portal-whatever? I don't think so.
>>751749805
That's a good point, thanks for actually explaining.
>>751749975
it wouldn't be letting it slide, they wouldn't know you're doing it
>>751749955
Lol and you keep focusing on dichotomy. How is this a dichotomy btw?
>>751749955
What opinion? You apparently can't read, because I've stated in almost every reply that I'm not the anon you attempted to force into a false dichotomy. I'm just pointing out that you're using dishonest rhetorical techniques.
>>751750027
Nice counterpoint.
>>751750093
I am not going to explain it to you. Go google it if you want to.
I mostly focus on you being retarded tbh, whatever form that takes in each post.
>>751750061
yes, yes exactly, they wouldn't see you're accessing a portal. it would just look like normal traffic to them
>>751747095
It allows your ISP to have Data Caps and peak hour throttling again you idiot. They never censored content before.
>>751747172
Maybe some people think Data Caps and Throttling are shit?
>>751745069
>using "old rich white guy" meme on 4chan
>using the meme anywhere
Literally kill yourself retard lmao
>>751749679
Point is, the ISP won't know where the VPN leads. So if they want to throttle connection to Hulu they can't because they don't know you're accessing Hulu.
>>751750168
LOL you can't even explain it, which is what I was getting at. You want us to explain how it works but you can't even explain your use of a word in this context. Is it because you used it to seem smart but can't back it up?
>>751747588
>Lets stretch out that forehead..
>push in that mouth
>pull out that chin
>tilt up the nose a bit
>yeah.. this is how I would draw a white person to depict it as ugly as I can because Im so butthurt
>>751750127
do you have any idea how impossible it would be to track all of the vpn traffic? the ip ranges get mixed. you could start you're own vpn company and my isp wouldn't even know you're there
>>751750246
yes thank god, i have someone else her who actually gets it. thank you
>>751750126
>I'm just pointing out that you're using dishonest rhetorical techniques.
this opinion. Opinion that demanding an answer to a question is dishonest is fucking retarded.
Why the dichotomy is false though? Because "fuck off, I won't answer your question" is also an option? I don't usually consider that to be a viable line of going through the dialog because it is kinda counterproductive, but if this is an option in any dialog - every dichotomy except dichotomies where it is one of the two options is false, and I don't really care about that type of dialog.
>>751750010
You're just pissing out anecdotes and not giving any real evidence for the dangers you're concerned about. Why aren't you bitching about the DCMA or any other regulations that control content?
Treating ISPs as utilities is good, because it's what they are. If you didn't have an irrational fear of regulations, you might realize that they typically exist to protect consumer interests and maintain an environment where competition and growth can happen instead of monopolies and stagnation.
Libertarianism is a lie, and you're probably stupid enough to believe in it.
I'm out.
>>751750171
>normal traffic to a portal
Which they can see is going to a portal. And they can throttle it all they want.
No need to answer that, I give up. You are just too fucking dumb.
>>751750595
>>751750168
If you're this anon, then answer:
>>751750257
>>751750225
You just used meme arrows. meme arrows are meme. Now you have to kill yourself.
Sorry boy, those aren't my rules, those are yours.
>>751742338
same for no reason $5+ more no snailmail why or email or detail in billing just $5+ more
>>751748578
>>which your isp is not throttling.
>Why? Because of goodness of their heart?
>>which your isp is not throttling.
Why? Because of goodness of their heart?
because they wouldn't KNOW to, they wouldn't know it's happening
>>751750246
>>751750503
So fucking what? Why not just throttle traffic from you to VPN?
>>751750257
>>751750741
There is a difference between "can" and "will", and "can't" and "won't". If you had two brain cells to rub together, you would know that.
>>751751052
And the difference is that you won't answer because you can't answer because you're an asshat. But thanks for making my day retard.
>>751750706
no, no they can't see its going to a portal, no. stop it! no. they wouldn't know that you're connecting to the portal, just fucking stop it. please. they would not see your traffic going to the portal, they wouldn't know it is a portal. period. enough. the answer is fucking no buddy
>>751750960
because they wouldn't know you're doing that. they wouldn't be able to go find every vpn that exists and throttle to those domains, the traffic would give no indication that it's going thru a portal. stop it. enough.
>>751750937
>because they wouldn't KNOW to, they wouldn't know it's happening
They wouldn't know to throttle traffic to from users to VPN's because they won't know people would use them to avoid traffic throttling?
Keep dreaming. If numbnuts on 4chan know that you can try that, they would surely know.
>>751750595
fuck off, it's a stupid question based on assumptions I don't accept is a perfectly fine answer
>>751739215
It makes it harder for your ISP to rape your ass.
>>751751132
>And the difference is that you won't answer because you can't answer because you're an asshat.
So in the end there is no difference? Nice job proving my point.
>But thanks for making my day retard.
Come back again! I would be happy to point out why you are retarded any day.
>>751751347
lol he's either clinically retarded or a clinically retarded troll. I can't figure out the dichotomy of it all though.
>>751751150
>no, no they can't see its going to a portal, no. stop it!
Why? Can you provide any answer but "they just won't" or "this is how portal works"?
>>751751285
what you're not getting is that they wouldn't know if you're doing it. the traffic would look normal to them. you'e wrong, please stop. when you use a portal, you're not accessing a site domain, you're going thru a different DNS portal. you're not understanding the way it works. accessing the vpn is not like going to a website. you don't know what you're talking about
>>751751277
>hey wouldn't be able to go find every vpn that exists and throttle to those domains,
Sure, not every single one, but probably every big one. And when they make them pay for not throttling their users traffic to VPN you will be the one who VPN providers will make compensate their losses.
>>751751428
If only you could point out why you're a retarded every day.
>>751751634
because the portal isn't a webiste the isp sees your traffic going to, you're not accessing a domain. you're going through a dns portal. the proxy is making your ip range different
>>751739215
net neutrality kills the internet and turns it into tv.
there you go.
not that any dumb nu-anons care. enjoy your new tv.
>>751751726
Stop rambling, it is getting really pathetic.
Answer why wouldn't they know.
>>751751774
but it's not a website your accessing, it doesn't work that way, the proxy is changing your dns ip range
>>751751820
I wish, but it is easier to do with people that actually are retarded. Like you.
>>751751932
to throttle your traffic, they have to know where it's going, the vpn prevents this, the vpn itself is not a destination, it's a proxy portal that changes your dns ip range, it isn't a domain itself
>>751752076
So you're unable to tell that you're a retard? Is that why you like having me around? Because of the dichotomy of the situation right?
>>751751277
They can throttle anything not on their "whitelist"
>>751751774
they can only block or throttle specific ip ranges that they know of, and specific domains, the vpn isn't a domain
when they shut down the open internet with regulation, the nerds of tomorrow will just build a better internet and all the slaves and corporates will be locked out again. the cycle begins anew.
>>751752160
but it has to be a domain or a specific ip range, the vpn would be a mixed and randomized ip range and also is not a domain itself. they wouldn't see the traffic going thru the portal as a portal, just some random ip range, once thru the portal they no longer even see your traffic
>>751751954
>>751751854
From rambling I guess you are the same guy?
So your stance is that traffic to VPN can't be throttled, because it is "different from site"?
You know, I don't give a fuck. Whatever.
>>751752160
>>751751774
>>751751634
a portal isn't a domain
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/internet-health/open-innovation/
>>751752508
no man, because the vpn ISN'T A SITE. a portal isn't a domain
>>751752138
>So you're unable to tell that you're a retard?
Well, it is difficult to tell that you are a retard if you aren't one.
>Is that why you like having me around?
I like to have you around to be able to check if I am a retard. I just see how retarded you are, compare it to me and voila.
>Because of the dichotomy of the situation right?
You are using that word wrong. Can't you google already what that means?
>>751752733
I'm using it wrong because you can't tell me how you were using it correctly. And PS you are a retard, you're not even good at hiding it, so I would check on that difficulty you're having. Might be because you're too retarded to tell.
>>751752646
My dick isn't a site. Does that mean you can't throttle me when I come to fuck your mom with it?
>>751739215
because it puts control over an invaluable public ressource into the hands of for-profit businesses. look at cable tv for a study on how that has played out historically.
not that the average facebook drone can even comprehend what the internet is.
>>751752508
>>751752646
your traffic is going thru a proxy server but that doesn't mean it's accessing a domain the isp is aware of
>>751752901
i wouldn't try to lol
>>751741633
>Not caring about net neutrality
>"rofl"
So many obvious triggers and yet people take the bait.
>>751749344
>for fuck sake man, you can create your own vpn using a cloud hosting service, how would they know to throttle this
How would your VPN get internet access genius? Either way someone is paying.
>>751744350
>it doesn't help and can make companies stuck in regulation
OH NO the POOR COMPANIES.
seriously, won't anyone think about the companies.
>>751752892
>I'm using it wrong because you can't tell me how you were using it correctly.
No, you are using it wrong because you can't google it. I thought everybody can, but your stupidity proves me wrong.
>so I would check on that difficulty you're having.
I fucked your mom yesterday and she was eaaaaasy as hell. No difficulties there.
>>751753001
Why? You can't throttle it
>>751753095
You keep making my day better big boy. Just admit you didn't use it correctly and I'll be done. Also my mom really? We're talking about retards here, it must have been your mom you fucked.
>>751753015
the diy vpn would be hosted on a cloud hosting server service and you would access it through your isp which wouldn't be aware that your traffic is going through a vpn, they would see your traffic up to the point of it going through the portal which they wouldn't be aware even is a portal, and after the portal they would no longer see the traffic. we're going in circles here
Whatever it does, it lessens the options for people who want different ISPs, ruin competition for ISPs who aren't very big, and it will start a monopoly over ISPs. Everything that will come of it is negative besides the fact that the ISPs get more money out of you.
>>751753151
i guess it depends how powerful you nut, some things can't be stopped by science lol
>>751753191
>Just admit you didn't use it correctly and I'll be done.
How do you know did I or didn't I if you don't google it?
>Also my mom really?
Yes, for sure. I hope raising your new brother won't be as hard for her as raising a retard like you is. Just for the health of the poor gal.
>>751753015
>>751753310
and if you're saying you would have to pay for the cloud host that you make your vpn in then yes that's true
if you guys discuss about throttling mechanisms you're not understanding the issue. it's about priorisation, not throttling.
the first ISPs are now selling youtube and facebook flatrates because of lax net neutrality rules.
are they expanding their networks to support the extra bandwidth? no, they're taking bandwidth away from anyone who's NOT paying.
>>751753310
>which they wouldn't be aware even is a portal
Because they would never notice traffic from a lot users coming there? Or are you hoping new vpn's will appear faster than they will be able to find them?
>>751753310
You're missing half the story. If your attempting to access server hosted in the US it still needs to go through the US network and your server will be making that request. Even if it's outside the US it's very easy for ISPs to throttle traffic coming from outside the country to the most popular services.
>>751753439
But won't that be your inbreed brother since you fucked your retarded mom? I mean I feel bad for her if she's even a quarter as dense as you are. Maybe the next one she'll just abort and save the world the trouble of having someone related to you come into this world. Also I don't need to google it because I passed 3rd grade, it must suck being stuck at PreK while you're 12 though. Those kids probably make fun of you more than your whole family does so maybe I should lay off of you, I mean 4chan is the only place where you think you think people would actually want to talk to you...
>>751753615
Thank god, at least you look sane.
I was feeling like in a Zombieland, with all of the zombies screaming "just use vpn, it will be okay".
>>751753574
well, if it was your own vpn, you would be the only traffic going there, as for big vpn companies the traffic is a ll mixed and randomized, so to the isp, they don't see everyone going to the same place, that's kind of the point. the vpn companies like IPVanish use thousands of different ip ranges they mix up. the traffic all looks spread out and random. it's literally the whole point. the isp just sees each individual user going to some different range which is really the portal node and everyone exits through different mixed ranges of exit nodes. on the outside it all looks like normal random traffic
>>751753695
>no you
You are so stupid you can't even come up with an interesting insult? Just stealing all my stuff? That sucks ass.
>but not as much as your mom sucked mine yesterday
>>751753855
Oh the shit I picked up out of the garbage because I didn't need anything better was yours? I'm sorry that's all you've got... Do you want me to return it? Maybe you can look up another big word right now to make me really feel the burn.
>>751749960
>4chan.org/b/ anon: "a lot to learn son"
>>751753836
>as for big vpn companies the traffic is a ll mixed and randomized, so to the isp, they don't see everyone going to the same place
It is now. it won't be when they will start having much more users when net neutrality repeal will become a thing.
Maybe it will be okay for most people, because most people will just pay a little more tomorrow for what they were getting for free yesterday. It still will be bad for everyone though. Content is a lifeblood of the internet, and having less of it because someone would have to drop their business because they can't handle additional cost is gonna suck, even if you will be able to avoid most of the damage personally.
>>751753615
>>751753698
i don't think you guys understand how it works. what is a US network? lol your isp would see your traffic go to something which they wouldn't be aware is a portal and then no longer see the after traffic, which could exit node anyware, it's that simple
>Rusky bugmen successfully turned a net neut debate into a shit flinging contest
We need net neutrality and possibly to nuke russia.
>>751754139
you guys really don't understand any of this
>>751753939
>admitting you insults are garbage
Why are you embarrassing yourself so much?
I understand you can't keep up in an actual dialog because you are too dumb, but internet shitthrowing contests should be up your speed? Or you are too stupid even for that?
Ok, that is going a very sad route. Now I am feeling bad for you...
>>751754139
my point isn't that NN doesn't matter. i was just making a point about using a vpn. go to school
>>751754183
nice contribution, anon. You really given your best.
>>751754273
Yeah I'm admitting they're garbage because you think I'm actually trying here? Why would any actually try to insult you? It's the easiest thing I've done today. And we're internet shitthrowing because you already admited you couldn't continue the dialog earlier when you realized you fucked up and couldn't back it up. This is why we need net neutrality and women's rights so your mother could have aborted you.
>>751749960
>Regulation is almost always disastrous for the consumer.
yfw people actually believe that.
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>>751754160
>>751754366
i don't know how to argue this with someone who doesn't understand how it actually works. it's just coming back around in stupider and stupider circles
Net Neutrality is basically Communism.
>>751753573
this
